Ty Harrington joins The Craig Way Show to break down LSU's National Championship win over Coastal Carolina and all the drama from Game 2. Craig and Ty discuss the ejection of Kevin Schnall is Game 2 and how it affected the outcome of the game.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The man is as good as his word. On Friday,
we visited with Ty Harrington, our our baseball resident analyst
and UH college Baseball officionado and Devotay and grand student
and teacher of the game, and on Friday and I said,
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let's get together on Monday and kind of if we're
either going to preview Game three of a National Championship
series or we're going to be recapping the series. And
it's the latter, but it's more than just the latter,
based on what happened yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Good afternoon, sir coach. How are you today?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Well, I'm wonderful, And yeah, it is the ladder and
UH with a lot a lot of led to it, and.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
And so there's a lot probably to unpack.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I meant nationally, I think there's probably more discussion about
the National Championship game in a college baseball World serieson
you and I probably have witnessed in a long time,
and based on everything that happened in the final game
and not just who won, but everything that took place
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in the game.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
True enough, And we're gonna get to Coastal in a
minute here, and we're gonna get to Kevin Schnall and
all this because I know you're very close friends with
the former head coach, Gary Gilmore and Schnall of course
long time assistant for him. We'll get to that in
a moment. First and foremost, let's talk about LSU. We
saw them during the course of the season. You've seen
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him multiple times, You've seen Kate Anderson multiple times. He
was almost as good in the Friday night win for
them at dishfalk Fields as he was on Saturday. But
Saturday was probably the best performance he'd ever delivered, especially
given the circumstances. How about your thoughts on the way
that LSU went about winning this national championship before we
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even get to talking about Coastal.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Well, I mean, look, kay, who I mean, he just
proved how good he is and just we all know
the value of how important pitching is, right and good pitching,
But that was dominating pitching. That was I mean a
mix of four different pitches of command, different boxes meaning
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different sides of the plate, quadrants of the plate that
he was able to execute on at and with so
many multiple different types of pitches, you never he never got.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Set in on. This was my pattern.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
The second time and third time through the lineup he
started to.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
You know, he changed.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
He I saw him go to four different guys with
first pitch, different pitches for either swing miss strikes or
strikes or or self contact. And you just you know,
his ability to execute, maintain his emotions and execute under
the large stage, the biggest stage that he's ever participated
in as a as a starter, and to be able
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to execute the way he did, I mean it is
truly unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
I mean it is really that.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You know, to be able to compete under that circumstances
one thing, and under that on that stage is one thing.
But to be able to execute in a dominant form
that he was able to emotionally and physically is just unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Anthony Ironston was looked at as a guy that was
this pretty close.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
To being the equal of him. He looked a little
more human, he looked a little more vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Throughout the course of the postseason, he got lifted from
some games earlier, both in the region and the Super
regional level and even in Omaha and Is in his
first start, but but it looked like he did enough.
I bought your take on Irons in the number two
because they were looked at as being this fabulous one
two punch, and it was more one than the two
I would submit. Although Ironson did recover early and then
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settle in yesterday, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
He did settle in nicely kind of similar, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeske does a good job of, you know, mixing what
he does to number one, start the hitters off with
pattern wise, and then also how he was finishing hitters
if they made it through to the latter part of counts,
he went different avenues and of how they approached each other.
But the one thing about Ainsten that you have to
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be able to do is and it's easier what I'm
about to say, Craig, you know this is easier said
than done, But you have to be able to not
chase out of the strike zone on him. He really
gets a lot of chase swings. He gets a lot
of chase wings early in count I think there was
a point by the third or fourth inning, you know,
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I was trying to count the number of chase wings
he had gotten on two strikes, and I think it
was like four, maybe five out of the strike zone.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
There was some even o counts.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I thought Coastal started to press a little bit in
the fifth and started really chasing and really got really
aggressive and started chasing. And also they had he had
some shorter count innings than you would like when you're
chasing runs, and so in a lot of that because
he changed his patterns. I mean, look, there there were
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two times in the fifth or sick I can't remember
exactly everybody you know, he'd throw he'd gone to his slider,
his cutter and to start counts off with and.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
All of a sudden he just back to back guy.
He lays ninety two in there in the middle of
the plate and nobody.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Did anything with it. I think maybe even later, and
so I mean it just did. He was a little more, uh,
you were able to get to him a little bit
more than what you were with Anderson.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
But still he was.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
He was good talking college baseball at the end of
the season here with Ty Harrington on thirteen hundreds and okay,
let's let's jump to Coastal Carolina. I want to and
I want to preface this by saying, obviously, you and
Gary Gilmore, the former coach who won it All in
twenty sixteen, are pretty tight.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
You've known each other a long time.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I know you're not quite as familiar with Kevin Snall,
but you've seen his work, and I know you've been
impressed by what he's done. I mentioned on the air earlier.
I said, to watch him work is to understand that
his motor always ran a little hotter than coach Gilbmore
is if I'm correct on that, and it always has
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and and then and so maybe there's some bases in
for the way things broke down, and we and we
ran his audio where he seemed initially initially to be
more unhappy with the fact that, as he put it,
a first base coach or a third base coach, if
they're not the head coach kind of gets treated like
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a second class citizen when it comes from the umpires.
And so that ledly to what was going on with
Coach Schilling's ejection. But he said he heard, even with
twenty five thousand people, he heard as the umpire turned
it back to him, and some said that's a warning
for arguing balls and strikes. And then everybody saw the
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video where he's holding out three fingers and he said,
because you've missed three, and then he throws him a
tosses him, and then he comes out to get his
money's worth, and now getting your money's worth in college
baseball means you're not leaving the field in a timely manner.
I think is the way the rule is written. And
he was, and so then they tack on the two
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game suspension. I know that happened to Coach Pierce when
he was here. There was one time when that happened.
But also he said it was because they said he
made contact with the umpire. He made sure to point
out that the first base umpire tripped over the other umpire,
and he said, I'm not responsible for his athleticism or
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that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
He said in the conference. So so first, so let
me get your Let me get your take first of all.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
On the dynamic, because I talked about this last hour
with umpires and coaches other than the head coach, and
I brought this up because it also applies in basketball.
I've seen an official come over to the bench and
say to the head coach and point to one of
the assistants and say, I don't want to hear from him.
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And I know not all umpires are like that, and
not all officials are like that, but there are some
who do not want to hear from anyone other than
the head coach and I and I wanted to get
your thoughts and your experience with how that whole dynamic
played out, even before we get to your thoughts on
coach Nol and him getting ejected.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Well, its correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I originally when it came out that it was the
warning was issued towards the first base umpire that's space correct,
all right? So all right, so he probably I didn't
I couldn't hear what he said or what was going.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
You know, I can imagine what was said.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I mean, the pitch that really got it all going
was definitely, in my opinion, looked like a ball on TV.
The ball was in the catcher's arm, left elbow was
out when he caught it.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
But that here and there.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
But the the assistants aren't supposed to argue, right, I mean,
it is clearly stated the assistants aren't supposed to argue,
even though it does.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Exist to some level.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Some guys that have been around the league longer get
a little more grace than others. But you know, the
assistants aren't supposed to say anything.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
At that, you know, and argue any anything, right, I mean, and.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
You know, balls and strikes are gonna always somebody's gonna
chirp at times.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Right, that's just part of it.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I don't you know, do you go to a game
that somebody doesn't say something about a ball or strike?
I mean, you and I see it when we do
games together. We see it all the time coming out
of either either dugout.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
And by the way, Ty, we both know, we both
know that Frank Anderson is going to say he's gonna
speak his mind when he doesn't like Even even as
vocal as Tony Vitello is a Tennessee Frank Anderson will
make his displeasure. And I've seen that all the way
back to when he was at Texas. And and you
correct me if I'm wrong, but I I do believe
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that most of the time when an umpire during a
Texas game this year, a home plate umpire was not
happy with something coming from the dugout, it wasn't something
that Jim Slapsniegel said. It was something that Max Wiener
or Troy Tulowinski. It was somebody other than the head coach.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Am.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I right, yeah, that's that's real. Yeah, that's that's probable.
And uh, and there were probably a couple of times
that you know that you know Jim did too. But
if yeah, there're things that are said by assistant coaches. Look,
it's too intense, it's too involved, right, There's just so
much going on. I mean, I can't over express what
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that feels like and looks like when you're down there
and you put your pants on to go play that game.
Just how intense the game is already, and just you know,
and then the National Championship.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
The biggest stage. I mean, there's just so many things
involved in that.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
There's so many different emotions and there's so many different
narratives right now. Right, there's so many angles of conversation
that you and I can have that I can have
with anybody.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
And obviously there's gonna be a piece of me and.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
You know this that I'm gonna look at from the
coach's lens first, and I'm gonna I'm gonna see from
an assistant coach's lens. I did it as an assistant,
you know, and I got kicked out of games as an assistant.
Shouldn't have overstep my bounds at times, But coaches, they
assistant coaches do say they and and umpires will look
over and go, hey, that's enough, that's it, that's enough.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
And then the next time.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
They'll go, hey, that's a warning, all right that I'm
warning your assistant coach, Todd. I am warning your assistant coach.
I don't want to hear from him again, as you mentioned,
And that's usually kind of how it would, you know,
kind of take place.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Now. The second part of that is.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
There there are umpires that will diffuse that moment.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
They'll come over with them.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
You saw him open his pad right had the sense
aloud you you you walk over and you go, hey, Kevin,
time out, Hey come hey, hold on, hold on, I'm
right here, I'm right here.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
What what do you got? All right?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
And he goes, what do you I'm warning your first
base coach. He's hollered at me twice. I need you
to get let's we got to get through this game.
We got to make our way through this game. I
personally think everything would have calmed down. I don't know
for sure, there's no way for me to prove that
that would have happened. I do think things would have
calmed down and we would have gotten through that game.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Everybody would have caught their breath.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Then that, and but sometimes as a coach, this is
the other leans. Sometimes as a coach, you've got to
be prepared for who is behind home play yep, and
and how aggressive are they? And you know there are
times you got to tell your teams. I've had to
tell my teams and myself and my staff, Hey, he
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can't say anything. You can't say anything to this guy.
He will he no toleration. Yes, yes, And that's the.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Scouting report that you could know, should know, and might know.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
All three of those can category. Because you're in the
National championship game. You're assuming these are the best of
the best, and you assume that everybody's gonna know that
this is a National championship game, and that you know,
historically people don't get ejected out of those games. Certainly,
multiple objections don't usually occur in those games, even though
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they have and they've happened before.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
And I think, if I remember right, Tennessee, got Tony
gotten up one time yep, a couple of years ago.
I think that I could be wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
And so it does happen, and more times than not,
it's ball strikes, and.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
It just the hard part is Craig and be your opinion.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
It happened so fast, it happens so early, and.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
It just seemed like, you know, it just seemed to me.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Like we all want that game to be decided between
the people that have the uniforms on, and we all
want that to be the players and the coaches to
make that final outcome of that game you know, you
know coming about and that's what you hope for, and it,
you know, unfortunately it did in this time that umpire.
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My opinion, whether he you know, the rule state he
can do what he did, right, it's all out there
the NCAA release, release their opinion. But there are ways
in moments like that that there are umpires that completely diffuse,
that completely diffuse that. And you and I've seen You've
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seen it, I've seen it.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
I've had it done to me.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
So I've gone out there just red and matter in
the red hornet and I mean just ready to unload
and the upray hold on, hold on to tell me what.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
You got, what what are you mad about? Okay? Okay?
Speaker 3 (15:24):
And you know, and walk you through your own diffusement
or answering your question.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
And so there are ways that that can be handled
as well.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Here here's here's also my additional thought on this. And
I've seen you and I have seen Angel Compost work
games this year. Keith and I talked about that he
was working games at Texas, and Keith commented on his
strike zone and that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
But uh, I think there is something to be said for.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
How shall I put this a question of specificity, And
what I mean by that is, as we all know,
whether it's Major League baseball, Minor League baseball, college baseball,
whatever it might be, there are certain buzzwords that you
can't say, and the unmentionable ones, ones we can't even
say on the air here, or we get fined by
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the FCC.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
That sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
We know that that's all well known. It's it's the
specific act of pointing out an umpire's shortcomings that I
think bothers some umpires weren't. And for Kevin Schnall to say,
he said, your your first base coach has warned for
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arguing balls and strikes, and Schnall, without hesitation, said, because
you missed three and holds out three fingers, that to
me is a trigger is maybe it shouldn't be. Maybe
it shouldn't be. And an umpire with a longer fuse
and more tolerance, as coach Schnall said in the news conference,
should be maybe he should have more tolerance and say
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don't don't get technical with me about that, okay, you know,
something like that instead of just say you're out because
the minute he said, because you missed three and held
the three fingers out for not only the twenty five
thousand in the stands to see, but for millions watching
on national television to see. That's when the umpire is
gonna feel, shall we say, shown up? And then and
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then and then is is is there some merit to
what I'm asking you to hear about this?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yeah, of course there is, of course there is, absolutely
there is. And yeah, there are words, there are actions,
there are gyrations said and done.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Gyrations. Yeah that that that do trigger that. But he
also you know, and he also could have said, okay,
well now you're getting a warning.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
And you know, and at that point, as a coach,
you know, now I've been more yep.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Right and so.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, So to answer your original question, yes, things that
are said how they're said, and gyrations is a great
way to put in body language where you are also
has something to do with it, you know, and you
know geographically where you're standing at that point. And uh,
but I just again, it's going to be debated and
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has been debated all night and all day.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
And by everybody.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
And at some point this later this summer, I'll get
a chance to visit with Kevin and and and ask,
you know, then I'll know more about really what happened.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
You know.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
But I can take what I saw and what you saw,
and we can't do our experiences start to probably unwrap
really what happened.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Could it have been prevented?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yes, on both ends, it could have been prevented a
national championship game.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
You do want your your coaches there.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
And there's a you know, a question that was asked
me last night and this morning.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Do I think it had an effect on the game?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yes, I do. I do think it does have an
e on the game. If it's the seventh inning, I don't.
I don't think it's as effective. I've been kicked out
of a game before. I love to tell you I haven't,
but I have. And it inspired your players. I've seen that.
You've seen that as well, But that early in a
game on a national championship stage, and not only were
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the where the both coaches, two of the their you know,
leading coaches gone Craig, the players knew that they were
gone for.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Tomorrow as well. Yep. You can think that they don't,
but they do. They know that.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
So to think that that's not confusing for them, or
to think that, you know, what are we gonna do?
We don't have our summer break, I do think has
an effect on them. I do think it had an
effect on, you know, the offensive side of the game
for them. I do believe that, and now that LSU's
pitching had the bigger effect on I don't want to
take anything away from LSU, by the way, nothing because
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they they want there. I think they were gonna win.
But I do think it did have some type of
an effect on the game, not just what we thought
of the game, but maybe what you know could have
transpired into the game.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Be interesting to see to learn who Coastal opens with
next year. Is it a home weekend series against whatever,
the Citadel or something like that, or are they opening
in a big tournament thing since Schnall and Schilling won't
be there for the first two games.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah, it'll be a tournament.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
They always opened the year with they have back then
three straight weekends of tournaments there that Gary started years ago.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Gary Gilmore started years ago.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
And release was a big part of Coastal Carolina building
their program, Craig to be honestly, and uh, but yeah,
that that's my assumption.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
They know that they're gonna have to say.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
I'm sure they'll try to appeal it, but to no
end to know they I don't think it changes anything.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
And you know, it's unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
That you know, uh, there's discussion that we're you and
I are having about what happened in that game like that,
because it was you know, you and I agree on this.
I think college baseball is in such an incredible place right.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Now and so many viewers, so many and.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
There, and it was shown by if you've got if
you watched on Twitter or ext whatever, or if you
looked at different people, you know, social media describing in
their minds what just tried to or tried to describe
in their minds what just happened. Shows you the popularity
of college baseball, where it is and where it's headed,
and how many people are tuned into it and paying
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attention to it.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Now, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Hey, I appreciate the the the insight on this. Listen,
you know, I'm going on vacations. We're going to be
on the coach of and maybe I'll just drop by
Coach Snall's office and see if he wants to tell
me his side.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Probably not.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Probably, well, I'm sure I'm sure he would discuss it
with you. I'm sure he'd be more than happy to
probably have that conference. He probably had that conversation so
many times now, Craig that he you know, he can
say it out uh in his sleep. But either way,
you get you know, you look at this, you know,
congratulations to l s U I mean, luck Dave. They
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seem at this point right now to have some magic
dust and Omaha and Jay Johnson. They did what they
had to do to win a national championship.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
And you know, what does it mean.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
You know a lot of people talked about, well, it's coastal,
you know, a mid major maybe quite conference, but not
by recognition in the college baseball world. And when you
have a national championship under your belt and you're the
last man standing and the last person standing in a
in a in a championship, and then you've been there
and done that before, and so both of those teams
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were unbelievable representations of themselves and their conferences, and two
tremendous baseball teams this year.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Absolutely, Hey, I appreciate it, Ty, thanks so much and
we'll catch up again soon.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Have fun on your vacation.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Thank you. All right.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
That's Ty Harrington the coach, and a great explanation on that,
his thoughts on all that, and that's why I wanted
to get his perspective, a former coach who you know,
where that's coming from on that, as well as the
dynamic of how coaches and umpires interact even on the
biggest stage. On that more, we're coming up on thirteen
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under the Zone
The man is as good as his word. On Friday,
we visited with Ty Harrington, our our baseball resident analyst
and UH college Baseball officionado and Devotay and grand student
and teacher of the game, and on Friday and I said,
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let's get together on Monday and kind of if we're
either going to preview Game three of a National Championship
series or we're going to be recapping the series. And
it's the latter, but it's more than just the latter,
based on what happened yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Good afternoon, sir coach. How are you today?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Well, I'm wonderful, And yeah, it is the ladder and
UH with a lot a lot of led to it, and.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
And so there's a lot probably to unpack.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I meant nationally, I think there's probably more discussion about
the National Championship game in a college baseball World serieson
you and I probably have witnessed in a long time,
and based on everything that happened in the final game
and not just who won, but everything that took place
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in the game.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
True enough, And we're gonna get to Coastal in a
minute here, and we're gonna get to Kevin Schnall and
all this because I know you're very close friends with
the former head coach, Gary Gilmore and Schnall of course
long time assistant for him. We'll get to that in
a moment. First and foremost, let's talk about LSU. We
saw them during the course of the season. You've seen
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him multiple times, You've seen Kate Anderson multiple times. He
was almost as good in the Friday night win for
them at dishfalk Fields as he was on Saturday. But
Saturday was probably the best performance he'd ever delivered, especially
given the circumstances. How about your thoughts on the way
that LSU went about winning this national championship before we
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even get to talking about Coastal.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Well, I mean, look, kay, who I mean, he just
proved how good he is and just we all know
the value of how important pitching is, right and good pitching,
But that was dominating pitching. That was I mean a
mix of four different pitches of command, different boxes meaning
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different sides of the plate, quadrants of the plate that
he was able to execute on at and with so
many multiple different types of pitches, you never he never got.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Set in on. This was my pattern.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
The second time and third time through the lineup he
started to.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
You know, he changed.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
He I saw him go to four different guys with
first pitch, different pitches for either swing miss strikes or
strikes or or self contact. And you just you know,
his ability to execute, maintain his emotions and execute under
the large stage, the biggest stage that he's ever participated
in as a as a starter, and to be able
(03:07):
to execute the way he did, I mean it is
truly unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
I mean it is really that.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You know, to be able to compete under that circumstances
one thing, and under that on that stage is one thing.
But to be able to execute in a dominant form
that he was able to emotionally and physically is just unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Anthony Ironston was looked at as a guy that was
this pretty close.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
To being the equal of him. He looked a little
more human, he looked a little more vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Throughout the course of the postseason, he got lifted from
some games earlier, both in the region and the Super
regional level and even in Omaha and Is in his
first start, but but it looked like he did enough.
I bought your take on Irons in the number two
because they were looked at as being this fabulous one
two punch, and it was more one than the two
I would submit. Although Ironson did recover early and then
(04:00):
settle in yesterday, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
He did settle in nicely kind of similar, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeske does a good job of, you know, mixing what
he does to number one, start the hitters off with
pattern wise, and then also how he was finishing hitters
if they made it through to the latter part of counts,
he went different avenues and of how they approached each other.
But the one thing about Ainsten that you have to
(04:29):
be able to do is and it's easier what I'm
about to say, Craig, you know this is easier said
than done, But you have to be able to not
chase out of the strike zone on him. He really
gets a lot of chase swings. He gets a lot
of chase wings early in count I think there was
a point by the third or fourth inning, you know,
(04:50):
I was trying to count the number of chase wings
he had gotten on two strikes, and I think it
was like four, maybe five out of the strike zone.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
There was some even o counts.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I thought Coastal started to press a little bit in
the fifth and started really chasing and really got really
aggressive and started chasing. And also they had he had
some shorter count innings than you would like when you're
chasing runs, and so in a lot of that because
he changed his patterns. I mean, look, there there were
(05:22):
two times in the fifth or sick I can't remember
exactly everybody you know, he'd throw he'd gone to his slider,
his cutter and to start counts off with and.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
All of a sudden he just back to back guy.
He lays ninety two in there in the middle of
the plate and nobody.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Did anything with it. I think maybe even later, and
so I mean it just did. He was a little more, uh,
you were able to get to him a little bit
more than what you were with Anderson.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
But still he was.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
He was good talking college baseball at the end of
the season here with Ty Harrington on thirteen hundreds and okay,
let's let's jump to Coastal Carolina. I want to and
I want to preface this by saying, obviously, you and
Gary Gilmore, the former coach who won it All in
twenty sixteen, are pretty tight.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
You've known each other a long time.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I know you're not quite as familiar with Kevin Snall,
but you've seen his work, and I know you've been
impressed by what he's done. I mentioned on the air earlier.
I said, to watch him work is to understand that
his motor always ran a little hotter than coach Gilbmore
is if I'm correct on that, and it always has
(06:32):
and and then and so maybe there's some bases in
for the way things broke down, and we and we
ran his audio where he seemed initially initially to be
more unhappy with the fact that, as he put it,
a first base coach or a third base coach, if
they're not the head coach kind of gets treated like
(06:54):
a second class citizen when it comes from the umpires.
And so that ledly to what was going on with
Coach Schilling's ejection. But he said he heard, even with
twenty five thousand people, he heard as the umpire turned
it back to him, and some said that's a warning
for arguing balls and strikes. And then everybody saw the
(07:15):
video where he's holding out three fingers and he said,
because you've missed three, and then he throws him a
tosses him, and then he comes out to get his
money's worth, and now getting your money's worth in college
baseball means you're not leaving the field in a timely manner.
I think is the way the rule is written. And
he was, and so then they tack on the two
(07:37):
game suspension. I know that happened to Coach Pierce when
he was here. There was one time when that happened.
But also he said it was because they said he
made contact with the umpire. He made sure to point
out that the first base umpire tripped over the other umpire,
and he said, I'm not responsible for his athleticism or
(07:58):
that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
He said in the conference. So so first, so let
me get your Let me get your take first of all.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
On the dynamic, because I talked about this last hour
with umpires and coaches other than the head coach, and
I brought this up because it also applies in basketball.
I've seen an official come over to the bench and
say to the head coach and point to one of
the assistants and say, I don't want to hear from him.
(08:31):
And I know not all umpires are like that, and
not all officials are like that, but there are some
who do not want to hear from anyone other than
the head coach and I and I wanted to get
your thoughts and your experience with how that whole dynamic
played out, even before we get to your thoughts on
coach Nol and him getting ejected.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Well, its correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I originally when it came out that it was the
warning was issued towards the first base umpire that's space correct,
all right? So all right, so he probably I didn't
I couldn't hear what he said or what was going.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
You know, I can imagine what was said.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I mean, the pitch that really got it all going
was definitely, in my opinion, looked like a ball on TV.
The ball was in the catcher's arm, left elbow was
out when he caught it.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
But that here and there.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
But the the assistants aren't supposed to argue, right, I mean,
it is clearly stated the assistants aren't supposed to argue,
even though it does.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Exist to some level.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Some guys that have been around the league longer get
a little more grace than others. But you know, the
assistants aren't supposed to say anything.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
At that, you know, and argue any anything, right, I mean, and.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
You know, balls and strikes are gonna always somebody's gonna
chirp at times.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Right, that's just part of it.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I don't you know, do you go to a game
that somebody doesn't say something about a ball or strike?
I mean, you and I see it when we do
games together. We see it all the time coming out
of either either dugout.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
And by the way, Ty, we both know, we both
know that Frank Anderson is going to say he's gonna
speak his mind when he doesn't like Even even as
vocal as Tony Vitello is a Tennessee Frank Anderson will
make his displeasure. And I've seen that all the way
back to when he was at Texas. And and you
correct me if I'm wrong, but I I do believe
(10:34):
that most of the time when an umpire during a
Texas game this year, a home plate umpire was not
happy with something coming from the dugout, it wasn't something
that Jim Slapsniegel said. It was something that Max Wiener
or Troy Tulowinski. It was somebody other than the head coach.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Am.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I right, yeah, that's that's real. Yeah, that's that's probable.
And uh, and there were probably a couple of times
that you know that you know Jim did too. But
if yeah, there're things that are said by assistant coaches. Look,
it's too intense, it's too involved, right, There's just so
much going on. I mean, I can't over express what
(11:10):
that feels like and looks like when you're down there
and you put your pants on to go play that game.
Just how intense the game is already, and just you know,
and then the National Championship.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
The biggest stage. I mean, there's just so many things
involved in that.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
There's so many different emotions and there's so many different
narratives right now. Right, there's so many angles of conversation
that you and I can have that I can have
with anybody.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
And obviously there's gonna be a piece of me and.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
You know this that I'm gonna look at from the
coach's lens first, and I'm gonna I'm gonna see from
an assistant coach's lens. I did it as an assistant,
you know, and I got kicked out of games as an assistant.
Shouldn't have overstep my bounds at times, But coaches, they
assistant coaches do say they and and umpires will look
over and go, hey, that's enough, that's it, that's enough.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
And then the next time.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
They'll go, hey, that's a warning, all right that I'm
warning your assistant coach, Todd. I am warning your assistant coach.
I don't want to hear from him again, as you mentioned,
And that's usually kind of how it would, you know,
kind of take place.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Now. The second part of that is.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
There there are umpires that will diffuse that moment.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
They'll come over with them.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
You saw him open his pad right had the sense
aloud you you you walk over and you go, hey, Kevin,
time out, Hey come hey, hold on, hold on, I'm
right here, I'm right here.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
What what do you got? All right?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
And he goes, what do you I'm warning your first
base coach. He's hollered at me twice. I need you
to get let's we got to get through this game.
We got to make our way through this game. I
personally think everything would have calmed down. I don't know
for sure, there's no way for me to prove that
that would have happened. I do think things would have
calmed down and we would have gotten through that game.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Everybody would have caught their breath.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Then that, and but sometimes as a coach, this is
the other leans. Sometimes as a coach, you've got to
be prepared for who is behind home play yep, and
and how aggressive are they? And you know there are
times you got to tell your teams. I've had to
tell my teams and myself and my staff, Hey, he
(13:19):
can't say anything. You can't say anything to this guy.
He will he no toleration. Yes, yes, And that's the.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Scouting report that you could know, should know, and might know.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
All three of those can category. Because you're in the
National championship game. You're assuming these are the best of
the best, and you assume that everybody's gonna know that
this is a National championship game, and that you know,
historically people don't get ejected out of those games. Certainly,
multiple objections don't usually occur in those games, even though
(13:55):
they have and they've happened before.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
And I think, if I remember right, Tennessee, got Tony
gotten up one time yep, a couple of years ago.
I think that I could be wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
And so it does happen, and more times than not,
it's ball strikes, and.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
It just the hard part is Craig and be your opinion.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
It happened so fast, it happens so early, and.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
It just seemed like, you know, it just seemed to me.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Like we all want that game to be decided between
the people that have the uniforms on, and we all
want that to be the players and the coaches to
make that final outcome of that game you know, you
know coming about and that's what you hope for, and it,
you know, unfortunately it did in this time that umpire.
(14:45):
My opinion, whether he you know, the rule state he
can do what he did, right, it's all out there
the NCAA release, release their opinion. But there are ways
in moments like that that there are umpires that completely diffuse,
that completely diffuse that. And you and I've seen You've
(15:09):
seen it, I've seen it.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
I've had it done to me.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
So I've gone out there just red and matter in
the red hornet and I mean just ready to unload
and the upray hold on, hold on to tell me what.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
You got, what what are you mad about? Okay? Okay?
Speaker 3 (15:24):
And you know, and walk you through your own diffusement
or answering your question.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
And so there are ways that that can be handled
as well.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Here here's here's also my additional thought on this. And
I've seen you and I have seen Angel Compost work
games this year. Keith and I talked about that he
was working games at Texas, and Keith commented on his
strike zone and that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
But uh, I think there is something to be said for.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
How shall I put this a question of specificity, And
what I mean by that is, as we all know,
whether it's Major League baseball, Minor League baseball, college baseball,
whatever it might be, there are certain buzzwords that you
can't say, and the unmentionable ones, ones we can't even
say on the air here, or we get fined by
(16:17):
the FCC.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
That sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
We know that that's all well known. It's it's the
specific act of pointing out an umpire's shortcomings that I
think bothers some umpires weren't. And for Kevin Schnall to say,
he said, your your first base coach has warned for
(16:40):
arguing balls and strikes, and Schnall, without hesitation, said, because
you missed three and holds out three fingers, that to
me is a trigger is maybe it shouldn't be. Maybe
it shouldn't be. And an umpire with a longer fuse
and more tolerance, as coach Schnall said in the news conference,
should be maybe he should have more tolerance and say
(17:04):
don't don't get technical with me about that, okay, you know,
something like that instead of just say you're out because
the minute he said, because you missed three and held
the three fingers out for not only the twenty five
thousand in the stands to see, but for millions watching
on national television to see. That's when the umpire is
gonna feel, shall we say, shown up? And then and
(17:26):
then and then is is is there some merit to
what I'm asking you to hear about this?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yeah, of course there is, of course there is, absolutely
there is. And yeah, there are words, there are actions,
there are gyrations said and done.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Gyrations. Yeah that that that do trigger that. But he
also you know, and he also could have said, okay,
well now you're getting a warning.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
And you know, and at that point, as a coach,
you know, now I've been more yep.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Right and so.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, So to answer your original question, yes, things that
are said how they're said, and gyrations is a great
way to put in body language where you are also
has something to do with it, you know, and you
know geographically where you're standing at that point. And uh,
but I just again, it's going to be debated and
(18:26):
has been debated all night and all day.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
And by everybody.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
And at some point this later this summer, I'll get
a chance to visit with Kevin and and and ask,
you know, then I'll know more about really what happened.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
You know.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
But I can take what I saw and what you saw,
and we can't do our experiences start to probably unwrap
really what happened.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Could it have been prevented?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yes, on both ends, it could have been prevented a
national championship game.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
You do want your your coaches there.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
And there's a you know, a question that was asked
me last night and this morning.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Do I think it had an effect on the game?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yes, I do. I do think it does have an
e on the game. If it's the seventh inning, I don't.
I don't think it's as effective. I've been kicked out
of a game before. I love to tell you I haven't,
but I have. And it inspired your players. I've seen that.
You've seen that as well, But that early in a
game on a national championship stage, and not only were
(19:36):
the where the both coaches, two of the their you know,
leading coaches gone Craig, the players knew that they were
gone for.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Tomorrow as well. Yep. You can think that they don't,
but they do. They know that.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
So to think that that's not confusing for them, or
to think that, you know, what are we gonna do?
We don't have our summer break, I do think has
an effect on them. I do think it had an
effect on, you know, the offensive side of the game
for them. I do believe that, and now that LSU's
pitching had the bigger effect on I don't want to
take anything away from LSU, by the way, nothing because
(20:10):
they they want there. I think they were gonna win.
But I do think it did have some type of
an effect on the game, not just what we thought
of the game, but maybe what you know could have
transpired into the game.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Be interesting to see to learn who Coastal opens with
next year. Is it a home weekend series against whatever,
the Citadel or something like that, or are they opening
in a big tournament thing since Schnall and Schilling won't
be there for the first two games.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah, it'll be a tournament.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
They always opened the year with they have back then
three straight weekends of tournaments there that Gary started years ago.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Gary Gilmore started years ago.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
And release was a big part of Coastal Carolina building
their program, Craig to be honestly, and uh, but yeah,
that that's my assumption.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
They know that they're gonna have to say.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
I'm sure they'll try to appeal it, but to no
end to know they I don't think it changes anything.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
And you know, it's unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
That you know, uh, there's discussion that we're you and
I are having about what happened in that game like that,
because it was you know, you and I agree on this.
I think college baseball is in such an incredible place right.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Now and so many viewers, so many and.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
There, and it was shown by if you've got if
you watched on Twitter or ext whatever, or if you
looked at different people, you know, social media describing in
their minds what just tried to or tried to describe
in their minds what just happened. Shows you the popularity
of college baseball, where it is and where it's headed,
and how many people are tuned into it and paying
(21:51):
attention to it.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Now, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Hey, I appreciate the the the insight on this. Listen,
you know, I'm going on vacations. We're going to be
on the coach of and maybe I'll just drop by
Coach Snall's office and see if he wants to tell
me his side.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Probably not.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Probably, well, I'm sure I'm sure he would discuss it
with you. I'm sure he'd be more than happy to
probably have that conference. He probably had that conversation so
many times now, Craig that he you know, he can
say it out uh in his sleep. But either way,
you get you know, you look at this, you know,
congratulations to l s U I mean, luck Dave. They
(22:26):
seem at this point right now to have some magic
dust and Omaha and Jay Johnson. They did what they
had to do to win a national championship.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
And you know, what does it mean.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
You know a lot of people talked about, well, it's coastal,
you know, a mid major maybe quite conference, but not
by recognition in the college baseball world. And when you
have a national championship under your belt and you're the
last man standing and the last person standing in a
in a in a championship, and then you've been there
and done that before, and so both of those teams
(23:01):
were unbelievable representations of themselves and their conferences, and two
tremendous baseball teams this year.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Absolutely, Hey, I appreciate it, Ty, thanks so much and
we'll catch up again soon.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Have fun on your vacation.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Thank you. All right.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
That's Ty Harrington the coach, and a great explanation on that,
his thoughts on all that, and that's why I wanted
to get his perspective, a former coach who you know,
where that's coming from on that, as well as the
dynamic of how coaches and umpires interact even on the
biggest stage. On that more, we're coming up on thirteen
(23:36):
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