January 16, 2017 • 31 mins
It's not fake, it's a My Favorite Murder minisode! Karen and Georgia recount hometown tales including Sonoma's Ramon Salcido, Mexican wrestler La Dama del Silencio, The Catman Of Greenock, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
I'm not kidding, Stephen. I will fire you and rehire
you at a lower rate.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Fire you out of a cannon. Hi, what have you
ever heard us?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Just be rating?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Stephen left in the part in the beginning of the
podcast that wasn't recording.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I feel like that might be a fun new recurring segment.
Just but right, Stephen, Yeah, I even now I was recording.
Oh my god, I'm so sorry. But he also had
to be told, welcome to my favorite murder. The minisode
you tune in went just when you have time twenty
thirty minutes, depending on what we feel like talking about,
(00:50):
whether you're at the store or real loose and just
you know, do some yoga stretches.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
YEA, guess that we're not reading your stories that you've
sent in three times already.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
But then breathe through that in blue out red, in
red out blue. Oh, I didn't know that was a thing.
If you have a rage issue, in red, you're visualizing
and that you're drawing in red into your body and
then blowing out blue, cool blue air blue. Wait, then
the blue would be leaving your body, and then you're
(01:20):
drawing in blue and blowing out and like a dragon
blowing out red. Let's start it over. Hello, welcome.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
You know what, just keep your anger issue deep inside
your body where it belongs.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Hold it, hold your breath, hold it tight, and work
those glutes. What happens when red and blue mix? It's purple? Okay,
keep the purple inside of your body tight like a
grape drink.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Like just turn it like shake yourself and turn it
into purple and then hold your rage and mix it
with the blue and then you're just like fine.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
And then becomes yogurt.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Purple is just like medium, right yep?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
An, I mean it's like somewhere if it'stween red and blue.
That's what I'm saying. Oh, I see, it's really it's
you found a spot where you get to be angry
if you want to, but then you also can cool
it down if you feel like it. You're in control.
Good job. Bye. Do you want to go first?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Okay, So we're going to read your hometown murders that
you've sent us.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You sent them. This is your doing. Good job. This
one is.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
From Anna and that's called love your podcast My Hometown
Murder Story. Hello, Karen and Georgia. I recently found out
about your podcast God, that's how every one of them starts,
which is like, thank you for listening. But this is
also from like four years ago. You have a podcast,
yet it's weird.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I had a premonition about your podcast, so I went
ahead and wrote this down. I'm obsessed with it.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I never thought that there were other people out there
enjoyed murder. I watch every movie Da Da Da much.
My parents dislike it. Anyway, I wanted to let you
know my hometown story. I am originally from Mexico City,
and when I was young, maybe about ten or fifteen
years old, an old lady that lived two houses away
from my died. I always thought that it was a
little weird because some cops had shown up to ask
if we had seen anything, but she was old and
(03:08):
my parents just told me that she passed away, so
I just left it at them.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Panta Claus also like this. I got to the film
The Orphanage. Have you seen it? Creepy as fuck? It's
so craey.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
In February, I went home to visit my parents, and
for some reason, my dad and I started talking about
that woman in the house and if her son was
still taking care of it, and my dad finally said
to me, well, yeah, it must be really hard for
him to sell the house because his mom was murdered.
There what I was in shock. He had never told
me this or anything relating to this. I find out
(03:40):
that she was murdered by one of Mexico's most infamous
women serial killers, called the old Lady Killer. Yes, oh,
she wrote it in Spanish or lamata viatis in Spanish,
she alamata viadas.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
You know what I'm saying, isn't you? Anyways, her name
was we want to make a gia joke right there? No,
I was gonna make no, okay, very tasteful joke.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
You're right, of course not doing it. Her name was
Wanna Diana Barez Sempero. This woman used to be a
Mexican wrestler known as the Lady of Silence. What which
is la deml delo de Salencio. Sorry I took type
thing instead of Spanish, and my FID took French in
(04:26):
all white town, don't but sorry, Okay, the lady who
was murdered was the Lady of Silence. No, the lady
who was the fucking serial killer? No was was a
Mexican wrestler known as the Lady of Silence. She's the
most infamous women's serial killer. Call I'm going to scrap
this because I want to do this as my murder
so bad.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
This is so fucking good, I know.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Fuck from what I understand, like this is known to me,
to everyone, I had never heard of it, Like we
don't we scan these are like okay, from what I understand,
she started killing old women to steal things from them,
and would dress up as a nurse and convince you
old ladies to let them into the house and then
kill them. But eventually she started liking to kill and
just went for it. The longest time, the cops thought
(05:09):
it was a man who was committing the murders and
not a woman, because she would punch and strangle the victims,
and of course wrestlers, then she said, and of course
a woman wouldn't be strong enough for that unless she's
a wrestler.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, does She was fine. Wressels. Actually they're really good
at punching. They don't actually hurt youse are like faking
the punch. It's not fake.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Uh my god, I mean I'm my husband placing the punch.
She was finally got in two thousand and six, and
sentenced too. Are you ready for this seven hundred and
fifty nine years huh seventeen days?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Oh okay in person? True, that was for stealing the watches.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, anyway, so interesting and fascinating. I thought you would
like to learn about serial killers in a different country.
I love your podcast. Thanks so much for doing it
and making me feel a little more normal for all
these things. Honey, you're fucking better than us. This is
such a cool story. Have a great week from Anna.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Anna. Yeah, okay, the Lady of Silence, your grandma, just
picture it tooling around the house, canary up in the corner.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Like I've lived so long, and I'm like, it's so
cool that my grandma can stay at home and live at.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Home, just resting and just making a roast or whatever.
And then she shuts a door, and who's standing behind
it but the Lady of Silence wrestler? Oh my god,
did she wear a wrestling mask? You thing? You know,
it's a gold lemee wrestling but like.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
A nurse's uniform. That's a kind of a cool character
for wrestler.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
That'd be pretty amazing. And then you're like, she's got
those big, thick white shoes on like this. Oh yeah,
kind of a fom MAULARI look on the bottom.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I honestly have wished that those would be in style
for so long because I want to wear.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Them looking with the lifts nurses shoes. I want those
so bad on my feet. But my mom was a
nurse and so we grew up with all those just
a super wedgy rubber heeled shoes.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I think those are kind of cute in like a
vintage way, and I'm trying really hard to bring them back.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Do it a thick white shoe.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Or there's sometimes they come in tan, and I'm like,
those are fucking cute.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
They're like nude. They're not they're nude. Yeah, I kind
of those. Uh Okay, well then I think we have
our new uniform that sounds perfect.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Okay, fuck black dresses at the lessos.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
From now we're dressing like Mexican wrestler nurses and the
mask the whole time.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
And I mean, now I don't know who Karen is
and who George is, or who's the one with the
wrestling mask on that has like the red and the
blue and Karen's the one that has the purple purple.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Oh god, I'm both so Cilenio the whole time that
we don't we can't tell them apart, neither of us talk. Okay,
I'm gonna do Stephen a full shout out to Stephen
who is now going into these hometowns starting from the beginning. Yeah,
having fun all the people. Right.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
We didn't want to say it because then it just
makes like we want to give Stephen credit. But we
also don't want to sound like as how overwhelmed we
are by all of this.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
It's not our fault. Okay. Uh well, and also I
think it makes people feel better that we're finally doing
that they just said we're going to do for a
full year.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Anna's is from April. She probably doesn't listen anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
She's not listening.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I was like, fuck then, yeah, and I please tweet
it us if you're still listening.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I have a system, So hopefully we'll get to Okay, good.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
One, thank you now that we are the cats out
of the bag, Thank you, Steven.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I mean, let's be full of what do they call
that transparency? Like Obama tried to be. Let's do that
on this podcast, and Hillary because also she tried. I
think it gave me so much anxiety, Like we actually
said the amount we had and all that stuff that
I didn't want people to feel lost in the sea.
If like, they'll never read it, definitely. So now let's
(08:32):
go back to January fourth of twenty sixty, a year ago.
It was a full fucking year. Holy shit, and this
was the subject line was Florida sucks. But this hometown
child murder doesn't question mark. Hello ladies, your podcast has
led me to dive headfirst into the history of my
hometown murders. This murder is not just in my hometown.
(08:53):
It all happened just walking distance from my actual house.
On the morning of November fourth, nineteen eighty, Lisa or
Eliza Nelson, ten year old with long blonde hair and
slate blue eyes, was riding her bike to what was
then called Palm Harbor Middle School. I went there as
a child. Alisa was going to be late that day
because of a dentist appointment. Her mother had given her
(09:15):
a note to excuse her tardiness, but that tardiness would
become a forever, forever absence. Shit, so she's been giving
a note for that. Nicky's really painting a picture here. Yeah,
Larry Eugene Mann, a male with prior sexual assault convictions
in both Florida and Mississippi, including molesting a mother and
threatening to sexually assault her eighteen month old baby. Jesus
(09:39):
kidnapped Elisa and left her bike in a ditch about
a mile from the school. He then slid her throat
and beat her over the head of a pipe that
had some type of concrete basic. He discarded Lisa's body
in a citrus groves that were eventually demolished to build
the new middle school. It is literally a forty second
walk from my front door. That's an all caps holy shit.
(10:01):
Man attempted to suicide The same attempted suicide the same
day of the murder, claiming he'd done something wrong and
needed help. Yeah. Four days later, it was reported that
man's fucking wife was getting his glasses out of his
pickup truck. That's I love that. It's like it just
as fucking wife and all caps because he had a wife. Yeah,
(10:23):
she's He got down on one me and was like,
you know what, I want to spend them not a
good person, I might be the devil stood in front
of stay with me forever, got in his family and
was like I'm gonna love and chair. Shoot, I'm going
to murder children though, I'm just gonna do my thing. Uh.
There she found Alisa's bloodstains tardy note. So she goes
into the pickup truck. This is awful. The police were
(10:46):
notified and soon had a warrant to search the truck.
They found paint scrap please notified.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I mean his fucking wife was like, what's up?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Get me out of here for her? Could you airlift
me out of here? Please hear? Though they found paint
from her bicycle and blood in the cabin. Lists to say,
that trash bag of an individual. That trash bag of
an individual was arrested and convicted.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
And got seven years No maybe.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Man was executed April tenth, twenty thirteen, got John Florida.
This made him one of Florida's longest serving inmates. So
it just happened. In twenty thirteen, he was one of
Florida's longest serving inmates on death row. There is now
a reading nook dedicated to Elisa at the new Palm
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Harbor Middle School, and you bet your asses I'm heading
over asap to see it. Thank you both for being
incredible funny women and making me realize how deep my
love for true crime really is. Nicki, Nicki that you
did great on your hometown murder. That was an absolute atrocity.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Okay, Also make me a reading knok when I die, please,
I mean turn my body into a reading Look.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Is that what you would like? A reading nook sounds
like a drink? Yes?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Do you want it like put Elvis?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yes? Do you want it at the drawing room? Yes?
Back over by the karaoke machine. Yes, that's a great
carryoka machine. Unless they turn into one of those fucking
digital karaoke machines, then get me the fuck you won't,
there's no way. Later then we'll put you at the alcove.
Alcove's great. I like the alcove outdoors. Okay, good, yay,
let's do that. Birds, bird feeder, Okay, I like birds,
(12:27):
the roosts. Oh yeah, I'm not gonna tell.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Room where I go all the time, like I'm about
to be like here's my favorite part that I'm met
on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. Okay, should I do one more?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah? Okay, pe poop up, let's see Skyler or m
let's do let's do.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Let's see uh Stephen put this one first, So let's
do this one great, Like, there's gotta be a reason.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
There's probably not a reason.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Okay, this one's from March and it's called The Catman
of Greenook. Hi, guys, I'm a big fan of the podcast,
and I recently turned my sister into the show since
we both share a love for true crime. But seeing
as we live in small cities in Scotland, there isn't
a huge amount of murders in this country. Ooh cute.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Just imagine the accent with which she was typing this.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I wish I could do it. I can't even imagine it.
I wish one of us could not insult an entire
country by doing their accent.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
You can't imagine just the piles of emails we would
get if we tried to speak Scottish. They should stop
doing that. They're terrible. It's racist. They should stop doing it.
Ah Ah, that's as close as I can get.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
We did it. So there is an exactly a huge
amount of murders in this country, let alone mysterious or
interesting ones. Let's move to fucking Scotland. I mean, that'd
be a real relief. Yeah, there are However, some great
local legends. Whilst speaking to my sister, not kidding it
says that about your show and our shared interest in
mad shit. Imagine mad shit, mad sh. She asked me
(13:59):
a question. I told you about the Catman of Greenwick
Grenwick grumming. I guess Greenwick, right, So the story goes
at my sister's hometown of Greenwick. There lives a catman,
a guy that lives feral in the wood. Yes, for
alls around his stomach all day and eats rack. Yes,
Elvis got sorry, that's just.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
His whole head. Perpose.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
He's like my dream. He is completely covered in dirt
and grime from all his years of living in the trees,
and cannot communicate with others.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Sounds like my dream for years the story. But he
does have a smartphone, and this cat has an Instagram.
He has his own Instagram.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
For years, a story of Catman was passed from one
person and a next, often believed to be a tail spun.
I fucking know Stephen has a photo right now, I
see your phone, Stephen, show us right now.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
No, I'm not gonna finish it, Shelby, hold on, Oh
my god, let me let me say no, Let me
say this cannot be real. It looks like the movie What's.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
The What's the the Maholland Drive. Yeah, when she finds
the scary monks in the dumpters, it looks like which
I think is a woman.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Actually I don't know. There's well, there's two people when
they get the really small people.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Not the small people though, like there's like a home's
supposed to be like, oh.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah, that comes up really fast. Oh this is insane.
You guys even just brought it through. Okay, So it's
a rat. It's bald with a beard like and crazy
hair coming out of the side of his head and
then a beard, and he is he looks talk about
being purple. That one looks fake to me. Well, could
this be a hoax? It could be a hope, and
(15:40):
I'm gonna keep reading. There's also these pictures he has
rats in his mouth in each picture. It's like he's
curled up to the camera like hey, folks, and then
like the rat is there?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, no's And he also looks like he must be
eaten a lot of rats. That's all I'm saying, you
know what I mean, Like, wouldn't you be skinny?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Any who? Wow, that was just fat shaved with Catman.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
What's up? Okay? What's up? Twenty seventeen, Punk rack at.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
You my nail?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
This is just traumatized. Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
For years, a story the Catman was passed from one
person next, often believed to be a tailspun to scare
local kids or worried drunk as they stumbled home, as
if we need more to worry about. However, a few
years ago a video service of a local citizen attempting
to speak to Catman. Well, he eats a dead rat
and then and then she sent a link and then
she said, you may need to decipher a Scottish accent.
(16:27):
I'm afraid. Oh hey, oh my god, let me hear.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Were right?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Convinced that my sister was winding me up?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I googled it and turns out that Catman is one
hundred percent real. Multiple videos and photos of him exist now.
Some say that he was a Russian sailor who got
stranded in Grenweck and lived off the streets. Others say
it's just a local man with severe mental health issues.
But either way, the shit blows my mind. He just
lives feral. Police don't bother him or try to get
him help at all. Apparently, because he doesn't do any
harm to anyone else, they just leave him be. I
(16:54):
don't know if this would qualify for the.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Show or not. Oh it does, Hell, yes, girl.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
But I thought it was fucked up enough that you
guys would want Slash need to know.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yes, yes, the Great again for.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
The Great show. And her his name is Kellum the Ratman, No,
I mean kat Man. This person's name, the person Callum
Callum's a girl?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Is that shitty? I have no idea? Should not we
should know that, but we don't. Kellum k E l
l u M A C Callum.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Collum Callum callum c A l l u M.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Is that a boy? I think that's a boy's name.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
We were never invited to Scotland again.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
You know, I lived there for a couple of months,
all right, But it's not like that means that I
didn't learn anyway. Were you in a rom com? Is
that what I was? I was actually was that movie?
Was that?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Like?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Oh yeah, the one where she has to that was Ireland?
Though they're the same, Pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I just pictured you as Jimmy Garofalo in a town
with a lot of cute guy's name callum.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, that was exactly what it was. Like, I please
anyone email us, call us on the hotline if you
know of a person. Now look, yes, we get it.
This could be a person that with extreme mental illness
that only will crawl on the ground. Is that good? No?
Does it hurt him? Probably? Is he happy? He looks
(18:18):
fucking happy, content as fuck. He's smiling with a rat
in his mouth for these pictures. But dude, it's also
just like, holy shit, that's happening. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
Look up these pictures.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Like, I think half the population would be a cat
man if they had a fucking choice, and like, go
do that.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I mean it would be a nice relaxing weekend, that's
for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, catman retreats or it's just like be feral, feral retreats.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I would get mad because uh, I don't like crawling
that much. I would be like, I need to lay down.
What if it's like feral?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
However, like my weekdays when Vince is at work and
I'm home alone with cats, is I'm feral?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Like I have feral days? What do you do?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Fucking But I wear fucking Siamese cap pajama pants and
fucking two shirts and just crawl.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Around now and just like talk to them. Well, you're
a nut. No, it's so much fun, though. Do you
get super dirty? I mean I don't bathe very often.
No I do. I just don't.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
When Vince comes home, I'm like, hey, and I'm fine.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
You like wrap it up around five point thirty four, yeah, yeah, yeah,
he always comes.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Home a little early, so I'm like, I gotta be ready.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah that's right. Yeah, pretend like you've just been ready
all day. What this hair? Oh, this whole thing? Right? Uh,
that's a good That was a good one. International stories
of like let's call them stories of fascination.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, Like, have you ever heard of the dog suicide bridge?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
No? Oh, that's a good one. I dog suicide. Yeah,
it's somewhere in I'm pretty sure it's in England and
there have been too date. Say, I just read this
article too because I got the Atlas Obscura book for Christmas,
which I love. And yeah, there's a bridge. I think
(20:10):
it's in England and uh up, like there's say thirty
or forty dogs have jumped off this bridge to their death.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Baby, it's crazy. Is it a river of tennis balls? Question,
quick question. Is it a peanut butter river with tennis
balls flowing in it?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Because that would because that's not suicide, girl.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
That's not sad on heaven. Like can you imagine jumping
face first into like, what do you like.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Somewhere new fucking peanut butter river works for me just fine.
And I don't mind a tennis ball. I have to say.
They smell good and they're fun to kind of squish
around in your hand if you're stressed out.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Hey, fucking men, if you have a back ache, you
roll around on top.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Of one of them. If you were swimming in a
peanut butter butter river, there would be so much support,
you know what I mean, Like you could I guess
you'd get stuck a little bit. But if it flowed,
let's just say it's the hippie kind that has a
lot of oil and there is a flow to this
river Frontier smooth. I mean, it's to your preference. I
don't I would want smooth.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
And it should be salty because then it's more buoyant
when it's salty, and.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
There should be chocolate chips in it.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
We're not like talking about just like you should live
in the world, but.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Live in chocolate peanut butter chocolate pan and butter lakes.
Come to our fair retreat.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
There are chocolate peanut butter lakes with w re were
that Titus balls and you can jump to your death.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Congratulations if you seriously though, if you have a peanut
butter pond in your town, please email us. All right,
I picked this one. This next one is what the
fuck is this podcast? Who cares? At this point? Who cares?
This is from January eighth of twenty sixteen. She sounds weird. No,
(21:57):
that's just the deep. Her name is Jocelyn and it
says my hometown murder so Noma, California. That's where you're near.
That's great. So this might be one I know I'm
going to make. I'm going to do this extra dramatic,
but my husband thinks I'm a total weirdo because I
(22:18):
mentally draw strangers faces just in case they turn around
and murder someone. And I have to provide a sketch
to the cops. Okay, smartst sentence of the email. That's
how she busts out there's no high or hello. It
literally oh sorry, there was a high. Georgia and Karen
up there.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I'm just dying to get this out and for someone
not to call her a psychopath, and we're just like cool,
the best thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Tell me more. And also, why didn't you tell us sooner?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
So, needless to say, your podcast is my fave. That's
that whole first paragraph, beautiful start, Jocelyn. Here's my hometown murder.
This guy is burned in my brain because I vividly
remember helicopters circling my elementary school looking for him. On
April twenty fourth, nineteen eighty nine. Oh I remember this one.
Oh my god, Oh my god, my god. This is bad.
(23:06):
Ramon Salcito, a twenty eight year old vineyard worker, went
on a killing Sprie and Sonoma, the small rural town
where I lived, Jocelyn, I lived in Pedaluma. Well actually
at that point I had gone to Sacramento for college.
But girl, I'm with you. After returning home from a
night of binging on alcohol and cocaine at a local
bar side note, this bar was right around the corner
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from my parents' house, Salcito found his wife Angela gone
and his three young daughters asleep in their bedroom. Being
an insanely jealous man, Salcito assumed that Angela was out
sleeping with another man and attacked her when she returned home,
cutting her with a knife. He then grabbed his three
daughters and fled. It was I remember this, right, this
(23:48):
is bad. Yes. It was later reported that Angela had
actually walked to the fucking ATM to retrieve money and
had planned to leave him. That she had planned to
leave him that day and bring the kids. Probably she
was just a lie late. Now, if you know anything
about Sonoma, and I'm picturing if there's a bar, like
it's such a small town that if they lived near
a bar, like Sonoma is so small towny, but it's
(24:10):
like upscale now, but back then it's rural as fuck, right,
But it's rural in the surrounding, but the town itself.
If she got if she went out to go to
the ATM, like it's right by the town square. Everything's
kind of very central there, unless you're like out by
the Vineyars room, right, Okay. I don't know why I'm
explaining that. It's just like it's maddening to me. She
probably was like, I'm going to run down and get
(24:31):
money and come back real quick after leaving the house,
Salcedo drove his three young daughters, aged four to two
and one to a nearby garbage transfer station, which is
right outside of Petaluma. This one rocked. My mother talked
about this forever because it was the it's the dumps,
it's my dad. We spent my childhood with my dad
(24:53):
going come to the dumps with me, like digging through
the dumps.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
No, I was gonna like that.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
So cool? Is that weird? Going?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
He had to dump our garbage at the door. I'd
never done that in my life. I put that once
when I stayed in like Arrowhead, and I'm like, I
get to bring your garbage in your car to place?
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I know, you know why because I lived far out
of town enough where there was a ship would be
like getting your ship. No, it's on a campsite.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
We didn't bear fucking I'm from fucking Orange County.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
We didn't have services like city services. We were outside
of the city limits, so you had to look at
our trash. Ever, that's insane. Did you put it down
a little shoot?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
No?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
But my new apartment has one. It's very cool.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
But I know a girl like there's a story of
a girl who died in one of those. Anyways, go on,
was she in it?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Okay? Anyway? Okay, Well what I'm acting like I should
be telling an anecdote when I'm in the middle of
this horrible fucking story. Okay, Uh, here's what he did.
He brought his three young daughter This is the worst,
and it rocked all of Sonoma County and probably further.
I mean, like, you're an Orange County and you know
this was me and I know about it so horrible.
(26:09):
He brought us three young daughters aged four, two, and
one to a nearby garbage transfer station and slid each
of their throats, then dumped their bodies down a ravine.
On top of the suspicion of his wife cheating, he'd
also recently learned that his oldest daughter, Sophia, was not
fathered by him, so he cut her first. After disposing
of the three girls, he then drove to his mother
(26:31):
in law's house in Katati, which is just north of Pedloma,
and brutalized and butchered her and her two young daughters,
twelve and eight. Calceito, Yeah, she was a fucking monster
on a It's cocaine, white drugs, people. No, he's a
white drugs. I don't want to blame it on cocaine though,
Oh but you shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
But he's still a piece of fucking shit whether or
not I was on the cocaine.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I mean, what if he was the fucking greatest except
for the cocaine. Celcito, we don't know this person. Celsieda.
I stole a gun from that house, drove back to
Sonoma and shot his wife in the head, then drove
to the winery where he worked, shot his supervisor, who
was wounded but not killed, and the assistant winemaker, who died.
He also tried to shoot his supervisor's wife, but the
(27:15):
gun didn't fire. Oh jeez. Salcito believed his supervisor was
having an affair with Angela. Salcito then disappeared. Do you
remember this part? There was a man hunt for seven days.
This was the part where it's like, that's why everyone
was talking about it. That's so many days. Yes, and
he killed so many people and children and like just scruminally, Yes,
I remember my parents refusing to let me go outside alone.
(27:38):
Who I just got chills. People in town were advised
to keep their doors locked and stay in at night.
Jesus For the first couple of days, no one knew
where the daughters were. Police weren't sure if he'd abducted
them or killed them. Thirty hours into the man hunt,
the three girls were spotted by someone who had mistaken
at them for discarded dolls at the door. No two
(27:59):
of the daughters were dead, but the two year old
was miraculously alive because of the way her head slumped forward,
sealing the slice in her throat and preventing her from
bleeding out. A week later, Ramon Salcita was captured in Mexico,
where he had fled directly after killing the seven people.
Twenty seven years later, he remains on death row in
San Quentin. This case is obviously chilling and disturbing in itself,
(28:22):
but the fact that a serial killer was hanging out
just yards from my home before he lost his mind
has made it a case I'll never forget. Thanks for reading, Jocelyn. Wow,
the manhunt part of that case was so fucking crazy.
Seven days.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And those little small town Yeah you wouldn't. I wouldn't
leave my house.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, crazy, especially a person who's just like killing whom
fucking like just went berserk. He went berserk and Also,
I think technically Sonoma is a smaller town than Pedaloma,
so like the Peduluma is the kind of place where
you don't lock your door did back then at least,
So I really think Sonoma probably, I mean, the whole
(29:05):
thing lost her mind.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Like he's going to show up at your house at
any fucking moment.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, it's horrifying, and like he's not. It's not just like, oh,
this guy that snapped on his wife. It's like, you know,
he's just out to kill people. Fucking horrifying. I did
the wine winery guy live. The winer guy lived and
his wife didn't die. I wonder I want to hug them.
But the wine the wine assistant guy, Oh that poor baby.
(29:32):
He was just like.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Restocking bottles and he got killed. Like that's I always
feel the worst for Like nsn By Standard's like not
that his daughter's weren't they are, But it's like his
supervisor who was wounded but not killed.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
The assistant wine maker she died, but the supervisor's wife
it was like a misfire, just like but just by
chance she didn't die. Fucking asshole, so he's still alive.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
On fucking on san Quinna Oh he wasn't last January
when we Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, what we would have heard if I saw that
name in the paper. Ramon Selcito is one of those
ones that's like Richard Ramirez of The Night Soccer where
it's like ding, you immediately know who it is, and
you you know, like if they said it all of
northern California, I'd be like, thank fucking.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
God, Stephen, you're hired. These are great.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I just thought which ones would you? Guys like to see?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
You look so nice, but you clearly have a depraved
fucking mind. Yeah, you know, you know, he knows and
he sends them like he sends me some and he
sends Karen some and you're just and like you can
tell like what he thinks.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Karen was like, oh, telling us larchus, that's right. Yeah, nice,
good John. Can you send me a cat one? Oh
my god, Stephen, Stephen, you fucking nut, you're fired. No,
I love it. Oh, I mean, oh my god. We're
saving the rest of these for next week. So great.
Thanks you guys so much for sending those in. Thank
you for telling all of those stories. Were so great,
(30:59):
so much details.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
And Steven's going from the end to the beginning, and
like looking at them all over so they're not keep
sending them, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yes for sure. Yeah, and also I don't mind if
we go into the local fascinating, fascinating creepy people.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
That was cool as long as it's creepy as fuck.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah. Photos, and that was that look up that guy,
Oh look like I please. Oh, Elvis knows it's what
time it is? Oh what you guys?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Thanks for listening, and stay sexy and you don't get murdered.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Elvis. You want a cookie? Oh Elis want cookie? Elvis. Bye,
I'm not kidding, Stephen. I will fire you and rehire
you at a lower rate.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Fire you out of a cannon. Hi, what have you
ever heard us?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Just be rating?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Stephen left in the part in the beginning of the
podcast that wasn't recording.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I feel like that might be a fun new recurring segment.
Just but right, Stephen, Yeah, I even now I was recording.
Oh my god, I'm so sorry. But he also had
to be told, welcome to my favorite murder. The minisode
you tune in went just when you have time twenty
thirty minutes, depending on what we feel like talking about,
(00:50):
whether you're at the store or real loose and just
you know, do some yoga stretches.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
YEA, guess that we're not reading your stories that you've
sent in three times already.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
But then breathe through that in blue out red, in
red out blue. Oh, I didn't know that was a thing.
If you have a rage issue, in red, you're visualizing
and that you're drawing in red into your body and
then blowing out blue, cool blue air blue. Wait, then
the blue would be leaving your body, and then you're
(01:20):
drawing in blue and blowing out and like a dragon
blowing out red. Let's start it over. Hello, welcome.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
You know what, just keep your anger issue deep inside
your body where it belongs.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Hold it, hold your breath, hold it tight, and work
those glutes. What happens when red and blue mix? It's purple? Okay,
keep the purple inside of your body tight like a
grape drink.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Like just turn it like shake yourself and turn it
into purple and then hold your rage and mix it
with the blue and then you're just like fine.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
And then becomes yogurt.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Purple is just like medium, right yep?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
An, I mean it's like somewhere if it'stween red and blue.
That's what I'm saying. Oh, I see, it's really it's
you found a spot where you get to be angry
if you want to, but then you also can cool
it down if you feel like it. You're in control.
Good job. Bye. Do you want to go first?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Okay, So we're going to read your hometown murders that
you've sent us.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You sent them. This is your doing. Good job. This
one is.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
From Anna and that's called love your podcast My Hometown
Murder Story. Hello, Karen and Georgia. I recently found out
about your podcast God, that's how every one of them starts,
which is like, thank you for listening. But this is
also from like four years ago. You have a podcast,
yet it's weird.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I had a premonition about your podcast, so I went
ahead and wrote this down. I'm obsessed with it.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I never thought that there were other people out there
enjoyed murder. I watch every movie Da Da Da much.
My parents dislike it. Anyway, I wanted to let you
know my hometown story. I am originally from Mexico City,
and when I was young, maybe about ten or fifteen
years old, an old lady that lived two houses away
from my died. I always thought that it was a
little weird because some cops had shown up to ask
if we had seen anything, but she was old and
(03:08):
my parents just told me that she passed away, so
I just left it at them.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Panta Claus also like this. I got to the film
The Orphanage. Have you seen it? Creepy as fuck? It's
so craey.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
In February, I went home to visit my parents, and
for some reason, my dad and I started talking about
that woman in the house and if her son was
still taking care of it, and my dad finally said
to me, well, yeah, it must be really hard for
him to sell the house because his mom was murdered.
There what I was in shock. He had never told
me this or anything relating to this. I find out
(03:40):
that she was murdered by one of Mexico's most infamous
women serial killers, called the old Lady Killer. Yes, oh,
she wrote it in Spanish or lamata viatis in Spanish,
she alamata viadas.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
You know what I'm saying, isn't you? Anyways, her name
was we want to make a gia joke right there? No,
I was gonna make no, okay, very tasteful joke.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
You're right, of course not doing it. Her name was
Wanna Diana Barez Sempero. This woman used to be a
Mexican wrestler known as the Lady of Silence. What which
is la deml delo de Salencio. Sorry I took type
thing instead of Spanish, and my FID took French in
(04:26):
all white town, don't but sorry, Okay, the lady who
was murdered was the Lady of Silence. No, the lady
who was the fucking serial killer? No was was a
Mexican wrestler known as the Lady of Silence. She's the
most infamous women's serial killer. Call I'm going to scrap
this because I want to do this as my murder
so bad.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
This is so fucking good, I know.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Fuck from what I understand, like this is known to me,
to everyone, I had never heard of it, Like we
don't we scan these are like okay, from what I understand,
she started killing old women to steal things from them,
and would dress up as a nurse and convince you
old ladies to let them into the house and then
kill them. But eventually she started liking to kill and
just went for it. The longest time, the cops thought
(05:09):
it was a man who was committing the murders and
not a woman, because she would punch and strangle the victims,
and of course wrestlers, then she said, and of course
a woman wouldn't be strong enough for that unless she's
a wrestler.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, does She was fine. Wressels. Actually they're really good
at punching. They don't actually hurt youse are like faking
the punch. It's not fake.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Uh my god, I mean I'm my husband placing the punch.
She was finally got in two thousand and six, and
sentenced too. Are you ready for this seven hundred and
fifty nine years huh seventeen days?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Oh okay in person? True, that was for stealing the watches.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, anyway, so interesting and fascinating. I thought you would
like to learn about serial killers in a different country.
I love your podcast. Thanks so much for doing it
and making me feel a little more normal for all
these things. Honey, you're fucking better than us. This is
such a cool story. Have a great week from Anna.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Anna. Yeah, okay, the Lady of Silence, your grandma, just
picture it tooling around the house, canary up in the corner.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Like I've lived so long, and I'm like, it's so
cool that my grandma can stay at home and live at.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Home, just resting and just making a roast or whatever.
And then she shuts a door, and who's standing behind
it but the Lady of Silence wrestler? Oh my god,
did she wear a wrestling mask? You thing? You know,
it's a gold lemee wrestling but like.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
A nurse's uniform. That's a kind of a cool character
for wrestler.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
That'd be pretty amazing. And then you're like, she's got
those big, thick white shoes on like this. Oh yeah,
kind of a fom MAULARI look on the bottom.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I honestly have wished that those would be in style
for so long because I want to wear.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Them looking with the lifts nurses shoes. I want those
so bad on my feet. But my mom was a
nurse and so we grew up with all those just
a super wedgy rubber heeled shoes.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I think those are kind of cute in like a
vintage way, and I'm trying really hard to bring them back.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Do it a thick white shoe.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Or there's sometimes they come in tan, and I'm like,
those are fucking cute.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
They're like nude. They're not they're nude. Yeah, I kind
of those. Uh Okay, well then I think we have
our new uniform that sounds perfect.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Okay, fuck black dresses at the lessos.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
From now we're dressing like Mexican wrestler nurses and the
mask the whole time.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
And I mean, now I don't know who Karen is
and who George is, or who's the one with the
wrestling mask on that has like the red and the
blue and Karen's the one that has the purple purple.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Oh god, I'm both so Cilenio the whole time that
we don't we can't tell them apart, neither of us talk. Okay,
I'm gonna do Stephen a full shout out to Stephen
who is now going into these hometowns starting from the beginning. Yeah,
having fun all the people. Right.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
We didn't want to say it because then it just
makes like we want to give Stephen credit. But we
also don't want to sound like as how overwhelmed we
are by all of this.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
It's not our fault. Okay. Uh well, and also I
think it makes people feel better that we're finally doing
that they just said we're going to do for a
full year.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Anna's is from April. She probably doesn't listen anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
She's not listening.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I was like, fuck then, yeah, and I please tweet
it us if you're still listening.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I have a system, So hopefully we'll get to Okay, good.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
One, thank you now that we are the cats out
of the bag, Thank you, Steven.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I mean, let's be full of what do they call
that transparency? Like Obama tried to be. Let's do that
on this podcast, and Hillary because also she tried. I
think it gave me so much anxiety, Like we actually
said the amount we had and all that stuff that
I didn't want people to feel lost in the sea.
If like, they'll never read it, definitely. So now let's
(08:32):
go back to January fourth of twenty sixty, a year ago.
It was a full fucking year. Holy shit, and this
was the subject line was Florida sucks. But this hometown
child murder doesn't question mark. Hello ladies, your podcast has
led me to dive headfirst into the history of my
hometown murders. This murder is not just in my hometown.
(08:53):
It all happened just walking distance from my actual house.
On the morning of November fourth, nineteen eighty, Lisa or
Eliza Nelson, ten year old with long blonde hair and
slate blue eyes, was riding her bike to what was
then called Palm Harbor Middle School. I went there as
a child. Alisa was going to be late that day
because of a dentist appointment. Her mother had given her
(09:15):
a note to excuse her tardiness, but that tardiness would
become a forever, forever absence. Shit, so she's been giving
a note for that. Nicky's really painting a picture here. Yeah,
Larry Eugene Mann, a male with prior sexual assault convictions
in both Florida and Mississippi, including molesting a mother and
threatening to sexually assault her eighteen month old baby. Jesus
(09:39):
kidnapped Elisa and left her bike in a ditch about
a mile from the school. He then slid her throat
and beat her over the head of a pipe that
had some type of concrete basic. He discarded Lisa's body
in a citrus groves that were eventually demolished to build
the new middle school. It is literally a forty second
walk from my front door. That's an all caps holy shit.
(10:01):
Man attempted to suicide The same attempted suicide the same
day of the murder, claiming he'd done something wrong and
needed help. Yeah. Four days later, it was reported that
man's fucking wife was getting his glasses out of his
pickup truck. That's I love that. It's like it just
as fucking wife and all caps because he had a wife. Yeah,
(10:23):
she's He got down on one me and was like,
you know what, I want to spend them not a
good person, I might be the devil stood in front
of stay with me forever, got in his family and
was like I'm gonna love and chair. Shoot, I'm going
to murder children though, I'm just gonna do my thing. Uh.
There she found Alisa's bloodstains tardy note. So she goes
into the pickup truck. This is awful. The police were
(10:46):
notified and soon had a warrant to search the truck.
They found paint scrap please notified.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I mean his fucking wife was like, what's up?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Get me out of here for her? Could you airlift
me out of here? Please hear? Though they found paint
from her bicycle and blood in the cabin. Lists to say,
that trash bag of an individual. That trash bag of
an individual was arrested and convicted.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
And got seven years No maybe.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Man was executed April tenth, twenty thirteen, got John Florida.
This made him one of Florida's longest serving inmates. So
it just happened. In twenty thirteen, he was one of
Florida's longest serving inmates on death row. There is now
a reading nook dedicated to Elisa at the new Palm
(11:33):
Harbor Middle School, and you bet your asses I'm heading
over asap to see it. Thank you both for being
incredible funny women and making me realize how deep my
love for true crime really is. Nicki, Nicki that you
did great on your hometown murder. That was an absolute atrocity.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Okay, Also make me a reading knok when I die, please,
I mean turn my body into a reading Look.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Is that what you would like? A reading nook sounds
like a drink? Yes?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Do you want it like put Elvis?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yes? Do you want it at the drawing room? Yes?
Back over by the karaoke machine. Yes, that's a great
carryoka machine. Unless they turn into one of those fucking
digital karaoke machines, then get me the fuck you won't,
there's no way. Later then we'll put you at the alcove.
Alcove's great. I like the alcove outdoors. Okay, good, yay,
let's do that. Birds, bird feeder, Okay, I like birds,
(12:27):
the roosts. Oh yeah, I'm not gonna tell.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Room where I go all the time, like I'm about
to be like here's my favorite part that I'm met
on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. Okay, should I do one more?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah? Okay, pe poop up, let's see Skyler or m
let's do let's do.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Let's see uh Stephen put this one first, So let's
do this one great, Like, there's gotta be a reason.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
There's probably not a reason.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Okay, this one's from March and it's called The Catman
of Greenook. Hi, guys, I'm a big fan of the podcast,
and I recently turned my sister into the show since
we both share a love for true crime. But seeing
as we live in small cities in Scotland, there isn't
a huge amount of murders in this country. Ooh cute.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Just imagine the accent with which she was typing this.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I wish I could do it. I can't even imagine it.
I wish one of us could not insult an entire
country by doing their accent.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
You can't imagine just the piles of emails we would
get if we tried to speak Scottish. They should stop
doing that. They're terrible. It's racist. They should stop doing it.
Ah Ah, that's as close as I can get.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
We did it. So there is an exactly a huge
amount of murders in this country, let alone mysterious or
interesting ones. Let's move to fucking Scotland. I mean, that'd
be a real relief. Yeah, there are However, some great
local legends. Whilst speaking to my sister, not kidding it
says that about your show and our shared interest in
mad shit. Imagine mad shit, mad sh. She asked me
(13:59):
a question. I told you about the Catman of Greenwick
Grenwick grumming. I guess Greenwick, right, So the story goes
at my sister's hometown of Greenwick. There lives a catman,
a guy that lives feral in the wood. Yes, for
alls around his stomach all day and eats rack. Yes,
Elvis got sorry, that's just.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
His whole head. Perpose.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
He's like my dream. He is completely covered in dirt
and grime from all his years of living in the trees,
and cannot communicate with others.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Sounds like my dream for years the story. But he
does have a smartphone, and this cat has an Instagram.
He has his own Instagram.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
For years, a story of Catman was passed from one
person and a next, often believed to be a tail spun.
I fucking know Stephen has a photo right now, I
see your phone, Stephen, show us right now.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
No, I'm not gonna finish it, Shelby, hold on, Oh
my god, let me let me say no, Let me
say this cannot be real. It looks like the movie What's.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
The What's the the Maholland Drive. Yeah, when she finds
the scary monks in the dumpters, it looks like which
I think is a woman.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Actually I don't know. There's well, there's two people when
they get the really small people.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Not the small people though, like there's like a home's
supposed to be like, oh.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah, that comes up really fast. Oh this is insane.
You guys even just brought it through. Okay, So it's
a rat. It's bald with a beard like and crazy
hair coming out of the side of his head and
then a beard, and he is he looks talk about
being purple. That one looks fake to me. Well, could
this be a hoax? It could be a hope, and
(15:40):
I'm gonna keep reading. There's also these pictures he has
rats in his mouth in each picture. It's like he's
curled up to the camera like hey, folks, and then
like the rat is there?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, no's And he also looks like he must be
eaten a lot of rats. That's all I'm saying, you
know what I mean, Like, wouldn't you be skinny?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Any who? Wow, that was just fat shaved with Catman.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
What's up? Okay? What's up? Twenty seventeen, Punk rack at.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
You my nail?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
This is just traumatized. Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
For years, a story the Catman was passed from one
person next, often believed to be a tailspun to scare
local kids or worried drunk as they stumbled home, as
if we need more to worry about. However, a few
years ago a video service of a local citizen attempting
to speak to Catman. Well, he eats a dead rat
and then and then she sent a link and then
she said, you may need to decipher a Scottish accent.
(16:27):
I'm afraid. Oh hey, oh my god, let me hear.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Were right?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Convinced that my sister was winding me up?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I googled it and turns out that Catman is one
hundred percent real. Multiple videos and photos of him exist now.
Some say that he was a Russian sailor who got
stranded in Grenweck and lived off the streets. Others say
it's just a local man with severe mental health issues.
But either way, the shit blows my mind. He just
lives feral. Police don't bother him or try to get
him help at all. Apparently, because he doesn't do any
harm to anyone else, they just leave him be. I
(16:54):
don't know if this would qualify for the.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Show or not. Oh it does, Hell, yes, girl.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
But I thought it was fucked up enough that you
guys would want Slash need to know.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yes, yes, the Great again for.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
The Great show. And her his name is Kellum the Ratman, No,
I mean kat Man. This person's name, the person Callum
Callum's a girl?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Is that shitty? I have no idea? Should not we
should know that, but we don't. Kellum k E l
l u M A C Callum.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Collum Callum callum c A l l u M.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Is that a boy? I think that's a boy's name.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
We were never invited to Scotland again.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
You know, I lived there for a couple of months,
all right, But it's not like that means that I
didn't learn anyway. Were you in a rom com? Is
that what I was? I was actually was that movie?
Was that?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Like?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Oh yeah, the one where she has to that was Ireland?
Though they're the same, Pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I just pictured you as Jimmy Garofalo in a town
with a lot of cute guy's name callum.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, that was exactly what it was. Like, I please
anyone email us, call us on the hotline if you
know of a person. Now look, yes, we get it.
This could be a person that with extreme mental illness
that only will crawl on the ground. Is that good? No?
Does it hurt him? Probably? Is he happy? He looks
(18:18):
fucking happy, content as fuck. He's smiling with a rat
in his mouth for these pictures. But dude, it's also
just like, holy shit, that's happening. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
Look up these pictures.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Like, I think half the population would be a cat
man if they had a fucking choice, and like, go
do that.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I mean it would be a nice relaxing weekend, that's
for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, catman retreats or it's just like be feral, feral retreats.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I would get mad because uh, I don't like crawling
that much. I would be like, I need to lay down.
What if it's like feral?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
However, like my weekdays when Vince is at work and
I'm home alone with cats, is I'm feral?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Like I have feral days? What do you do?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Fucking But I wear fucking Siamese cap pajama pants and
fucking two shirts and just crawl.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Around now and just like talk to them. Well, you're
a nut. No, it's so much fun, though. Do you
get super dirty? I mean I don't bathe very often.
No I do. I just don't.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
When Vince comes home, I'm like, hey, and I'm fine.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
You like wrap it up around five point thirty four, yeah, yeah, yeah,
he always comes.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Home a little early, so I'm like, I gotta be ready.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah that's right. Yeah, pretend like you've just been ready
all day. What this hair? Oh, this whole thing? Right? Uh,
that's a good That was a good one. International stories
of like let's call them stories of fascination.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, Like, have you ever heard of the dog suicide bridge?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
No? Oh, that's a good one. I dog suicide. Yeah,
it's somewhere in I'm pretty sure it's in England and
there have been too date. Say, I just read this
article too because I got the Atlas Obscura book for Christmas,
which I love. And yeah, there's a bridge. I think
(20:10):
it's in England and uh up, like there's say thirty
or forty dogs have jumped off this bridge to their death.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Baby, it's crazy. Is it a river of tennis balls? Question,
quick question. Is it a peanut butter river with tennis
balls flowing in it?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Because that would because that's not suicide, girl.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
That's not sad on heaven. Like can you imagine jumping
face first into like, what do you like.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Somewhere new fucking peanut butter river works for me just fine.
And I don't mind a tennis ball. I have to say.
They smell good and they're fun to kind of squish
around in your hand if you're stressed out.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Hey, fucking men, if you have a back ache, you
roll around on top.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Of one of them. If you were swimming in a
peanut butter butter river, there would be so much support,
you know what I mean, Like you could I guess
you'd get stuck a little bit. But if it flowed,
let's just say it's the hippie kind that has a
lot of oil and there is a flow to this
river Frontier smooth. I mean, it's to your preference. I
don't I would want smooth.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
And it should be salty because then it's more buoyant
when it's salty, and.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
There should be chocolate chips in it.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
We're not like talking about just like you should live
in the world, but.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Live in chocolate peanut butter chocolate pan and butter lakes.
Come to our fair retreat.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
There are chocolate peanut butter lakes with w re were
that Titus balls and you can jump to your death.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Congratulations if you seriously though, if you have a peanut
butter pond in your town, please email us. All right,
I picked this one. This next one is what the
fuck is this podcast? Who cares? At this point? Who cares?
This is from January eighth of twenty sixteen. She sounds weird. No,
(21:57):
that's just the deep. Her name is Jocelyn and it
says my hometown murder so Noma, California. That's where you're near.
That's great. So this might be one I know I'm
going to make. I'm going to do this extra dramatic,
but my husband thinks I'm a total weirdo because I
(22:18):
mentally draw strangers faces just in case they turn around
and murder someone. And I have to provide a sketch
to the cops. Okay, smartst sentence of the email. That's
how she busts out there's no high or hello. It
literally oh sorry, there was a high. Georgia and Karen
up there.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I'm just dying to get this out and for someone
not to call her a psychopath, and we're just like cool,
the best thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Tell me more. And also, why didn't you tell us sooner?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
So, needless to say, your podcast is my fave. That's
that whole first paragraph, beautiful start, Jocelyn. Here's my hometown murder.
This guy is burned in my brain because I vividly
remember helicopters circling my elementary school looking for him. On
April twenty fourth, nineteen eighty nine. Oh I remember this one.
Oh my god, Oh my god, my god. This is bad.
(23:06):
Ramon Salcito, a twenty eight year old vineyard worker, went
on a killing Sprie and Sonoma, the small rural town
where I lived, Jocelyn, I lived in Pedaluma. Well actually
at that point I had gone to Sacramento for college.
But girl, I'm with you. After returning home from a
night of binging on alcohol and cocaine at a local
bar side note, this bar was right around the corner
(23:28):
from my parents' house, Salcito found his wife Angela gone
and his three young daughters asleep in their bedroom. Being
an insanely jealous man, Salcito assumed that Angela was out
sleeping with another man and attacked her when she returned home,
cutting her with a knife. He then grabbed his three
daughters and fled. It was I remember this, right, this
(23:48):
is bad. Yes. It was later reported that Angela had
actually walked to the fucking ATM to retrieve money and
had planned to leave him. That she had planned to
leave him that day and bring the kids. Probably she
was just a lie late. Now, if you know anything
about Sonoma, and I'm picturing if there's a bar, like
it's such a small town that if they lived near
a bar, like Sonoma is so small towny, but it's
(24:10):
like upscale now, but back then it's rural as fuck, right,
But it's rural in the surrounding, but the town itself.
If she got if she went out to go to
the ATM, like it's right by the town square. Everything's
kind of very central there, unless you're like out by
the Vineyars room, right, Okay. I don't know why I'm
explaining that. It's just like it's maddening to me. She
probably was like, I'm going to run down and get
(24:31):
money and come back real quick after leaving the house,
Salcedo drove his three young daughters, aged four to two
and one to a nearby garbage transfer station, which is
right outside of Petaluma. This one rocked. My mother talked
about this forever because it was the it's the dumps,
it's my dad. We spent my childhood with my dad
(24:53):
going come to the dumps with me, like digging through
the dumps.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
No, I was gonna like that.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
So cool? Is that weird? Going?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
He had to dump our garbage at the door. I'd
never done that in my life. I put that once
when I stayed in like Arrowhead, and I'm like, I
get to bring your garbage in your car to place?
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I know, you know why because I lived far out
of town enough where there was a ship would be
like getting your ship. No, it's on a campsite.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
We didn't bear fucking I'm from fucking Orange County.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
We didn't have services like city services. We were outside
of the city limits, so you had to look at
our trash. Ever, that's insane. Did you put it down
a little shoot?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
No?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
But my new apartment has one. It's very cool.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
But I know a girl like there's a story of
a girl who died in one of those. Anyways, go on,
was she in it?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Okay? Anyway? Okay, Well what I'm acting like I should
be telling an anecdote when I'm in the middle of
this horrible fucking story. Okay, Uh, here's what he did.
He brought his three young daughter This is the worst,
and it rocked all of Sonoma County and probably further.
I mean, like, you're an Orange County and you know
this was me and I know about it so horrible.
(26:09):
He brought us three young daughters aged four, two, and
one to a nearby garbage transfer station and slid each
of their throats, then dumped their bodies down a ravine.
On top of the suspicion of his wife cheating, he'd
also recently learned that his oldest daughter, Sophia, was not
fathered by him, so he cut her first. After disposing
of the three girls, he then drove to his mother
(26:31):
in law's house in Katati, which is just north of Pedloma,
and brutalized and butchered her and her two young daughters,
twelve and eight. Calceito, Yeah, she was a fucking monster
on a It's cocaine, white drugs, people. No, he's a
white drugs. I don't want to blame it on cocaine though,
Oh but you shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
But he's still a piece of fucking shit whether or
not I was on the cocaine.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I mean, what if he was the fucking greatest except
for the cocaine. Celcito, we don't know this person. Celsieda.
I stole a gun from that house, drove back to
Sonoma and shot his wife in the head, then drove
to the winery where he worked, shot his supervisor, who
was wounded but not killed, and the assistant winemaker, who died.
He also tried to shoot his supervisor's wife, but the
(27:15):
gun didn't fire. Oh jeez. Salcito believed his supervisor was
having an affair with Angela. Salcito then disappeared. Do you
remember this part? There was a man hunt for seven days.
This was the part where it's like, that's why everyone
was talking about it. That's so many days. Yes, and
he killed so many people and children and like just scruminally, Yes,
I remember my parents refusing to let me go outside alone.
(27:38):
Who I just got chills. People in town were advised
to keep their doors locked and stay in at night.
Jesus For the first couple of days, no one knew
where the daughters were. Police weren't sure if he'd abducted
them or killed them. Thirty hours into the man hunt,
the three girls were spotted by someone who had mistaken
at them for discarded dolls at the door. No two
(27:59):
of the daughters were dead, but the two year old
was miraculously alive because of the way her head slumped forward,
sealing the slice in her throat and preventing her from
bleeding out. A week later, Ramon Salcita was captured in Mexico,
where he had fled directly after killing the seven people.
Twenty seven years later, he remains on death row in
San Quentin. This case is obviously chilling and disturbing in itself,
(28:22):
but the fact that a serial killer was hanging out
just yards from my home before he lost his mind
has made it a case I'll never forget. Thanks for reading, Jocelyn. Wow,
the manhunt part of that case was so fucking crazy.
Seven days.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And those little small town Yeah you wouldn't. I wouldn't
leave my house.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, crazy, especially a person who's just like killing whom
fucking like just went berserk. He went berserk and Also,
I think technically Sonoma is a smaller town than Pedaloma,
so like the Peduluma is the kind of place where
you don't lock your door did back then at least,
So I really think Sonoma probably, I mean, the whole
(29:05):
thing lost her mind.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Like he's going to show up at your house at
any fucking moment.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, it's horrifying, and like he's not. It's not just like, oh,
this guy that snapped on his wife. It's like, you know,
he's just out to kill people. Fucking horrifying. I did
the wine winery guy live. The winer guy lived and
his wife didn't die. I wonder I want to hug them.
But the wine the wine assistant guy, Oh that poor baby.
(29:32):
He was just like.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Restocking bottles and he got killed. Like that's I always
feel the worst for Like nsn By Standard's like not
that his daughter's weren't they are, But it's like his
supervisor who was wounded but not killed.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
The assistant wine maker she died, but the supervisor's wife
it was like a misfire, just like but just by
chance she didn't die. Fucking asshole, so he's still alive.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
On fucking on san Quinna Oh he wasn't last January
when we Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, what we would have heard if I saw that
name in the paper. Ramon Selcito is one of those
ones that's like Richard Ramirez of The Night Soccer where
it's like ding, you immediately know who it is, and
you you know, like if they said it all of
northern California, I'd be like, thank fucking.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
God, Stephen, you're hired. These are great.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I just thought which ones would you? Guys like to see?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
You look so nice, but you clearly have a depraved
fucking mind. Yeah, you know, you know, he knows and
he sends them like he sends me some and he
sends Karen some and you're just and like you can
tell like what he thinks.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Karen was like, oh, telling us larchus, that's right. Yeah, nice,
good John. Can you send me a cat one? Oh
my god, Stephen, Stephen, you fucking nut, you're fired. No,
I love it. Oh, I mean, oh my god. We're
saving the rest of these for next week. So great.
Thanks you guys so much for sending those in. Thank
you for telling all of those stories. Were so great,
(30:59):
so much details.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
And Steven's going from the end to the beginning, and
like looking at them all over so they're not keep
sending them, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yes for sure. Yeah, and also I don't mind if
we go into the local fascinating, fascinating creepy people.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
That was cool as long as it's creepy as fuck.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah. Photos, and that was that look up that guy,
Oh look like I please. Oh, Elvis knows it's what
time it is? Oh what you guys?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Thanks for listening, and stay sexy and you don't get murdered.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Elvis. You want a cookie? Oh Elis want cookie? Elvis. Bye,
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