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also brings magic to the big screen and Harold and
the Purple Crayon. Now beyond her impressive career, Camille's personal
story is one of resilience and hope. After a four
year journey through IVF treatments, she welcomed her son in
twenty nineteen through donor conception. She's here to talk about
her path to motherhood, her career, and her ongoing mission
to bring.
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She's a mom of seven, a world record holding mountaineer, author, speaker, podcaster,
and entrepreneur.
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She's going to dive into her incredible journey, the strength
it took to get her there, and how she balances
her many roles. Jen set a world record as the
first woman to climb the seven second Summits, which are
the second highest peaks on each continent. Stay tuned for
gen Drummond and the incredible Doctor Dais Aim coming up next.
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Welcome back, beautiful Tri State area.
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You're listening to a moment of zen right here on
seven to ten wo R the voice of New York iHeartRadio.
I'm your host, Zenzam's up next in the Polish Beauty segment.
I'm thrilled to be joined by my contributor, doctor Daisy Aim.
She's a Triple Board certified obgyn and founder of the
Polished Beauty Podcast and one of the most inspiring voices
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in health and beauty. Now let me introduce today's guest.
She's a woman who truly truly defines resilience, purpose and strength.
Jen Drummond is a mom of seven, a world record
holding mountaineer, an.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Author, a speaker, a podcaster, and an entrepreneur. Let's go
back a bit.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
In twenty eighteen, after surviving a near fatal car accident,
she realized that while we don't get to choose when
we leave this life, we do get to choose how
we live it. That life changing moment set her on
a path of adventure and self discovery. When her then
eight year old son dared her to climb Mount Everest,
she took on the challenge and didn't stop there. Jen
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went on to set a world record as the first
woman to climb the seven second Summits, the second highest
peaks on each continent. Her book Breakproof and her podcast
Seek Your Summit inspire people everywhere to embrace challenges, lead themselves,
and push beyond their limits. Today, we're going to dive
into her incredible journey, the strength it took to get
her there, and how she balances her many rules. Welcome
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the extraordinary Jen Drummond. Such an honor to have you
with us today. Welcome to the show, superstar. Hey, Hey, hey,
thanks for having me today. Super excit to be here.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
So your story is the epitome of turning a life
altering event into a source of strength. Surviving a car
accident that should have ended your life is unimaginable, yet
you found a way to let that moment inspire.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
This bold new direction, if you will.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
So how did you channel the trauma of that experience
into motivation to live more authentically and adventurously.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Yeah, you know, I think that accident happened for me,
not to me, And it allowed me to reflect on
my life and realize we're leaving, like this is not
a game that we get to play forever.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
This life is ours, and I check out on myself.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
So if I don't love the person that I'm living as,
or showing up as, or the things I'm doing, that's
not me, that's not on anybody else. And so I
used to follow the rules and people please and all
that kind of stuff. And when that accident happened, it
gave me permission to say, I'm sorry. I got to
do this on my terms. If I disappoint you, I'll
vibe my tribe and you're not part of it.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I mean, you've embraced challenges, and I love what you
just said, But the fact that you've embraced these challenges
that most of us would have never dreamed of facing.
What mindset shifts did you need to make as a
mother of seven to take on the physical and emotional
demands of scaling the seven second, summits, that's no easy feat.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Yeah, it's not easy, but I don't think life's designed
to be easy. We get to find out what we're
made of and who we are when we start pushing
against our edges and challenging ourselves, and when we overcome
or make something happen that we tried so hard for,
that's what we celebrate. That's what gets us excited. For me,
I realized, I have seven kids watching every move I make,
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and if I don't show them how to live a
life that you're passionate about, you're excited about that you
can't wait to wake up to, where are they going
to learn that? Like I'm demonstrating them how you do life.
And so I realized I needed to do a better
job at that. Well, it's really impressive that you have
seven kids. Let's clap to that. Okay, that's in the
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common plish one on his own.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
How would you advise women out there that are trying
to do something like this and balance family and life
and not feel guilty or hesitant to pursue their dream?
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (07:11):
Well, I think first of all, you have to be
honest with yourself and what you're capable of doing. I
remember telling my coach, Hey, here's my order priorities, my family,
my business, then my athletic pursuits. So on Sundays, I
would give them my calendar and be like, Okay, figure
out how we're going to fit the athletic pieces in here.
Then you would look at my calendar and he's like, Jen,
you're going to be climbing a molehill at this rate
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because you need more time in here to make this work.
And so when we sat down and we examined, I said, Okay,
you know what this zoom call I can do while
I'm on a walking treadmill. I just have to have
an AI technology blug in there record the call. I
don't need to be on camera, and I can still
understand what's going on this soccer.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Game that I'm going to.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
I'm going to bring a twelve inch step I'm going
to carry a backpack full of water bottles, and I'm
going to be on the ende of that soccer field
doing my step ups so that I get an hour
half workout while I'm watching my soccer game.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
So is my training perfect?
Speaker 6 (08:04):
Absolutely not textbook training, But it worked for me because
it allowed me to show up as a person I
wanted to be and still do things I was interested
in pursuing.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Wow, that's really clever.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
So scaling the seven second summits is a feat that
few people in the world, man or women, have accomplished.
It's a physical, mental, and logistical challenge that requires unparalleled perseverance.
What was the most challenging summit for you and how
did you push through the moments of doubt or fear
while you were on that journey.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Yeah, so having a clear why, because you're gonna have
doubts and questioning it multiple times. It's not a Hey,
I satisfied that answer, now I'm good. It's like, hey,
every single time something goes wrong, I'm like.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Why am I doing this? Why am I doing this?
Why am I doing this?
Speaker 6 (08:52):
So for me, I brought a picture of my children
and I kept it in my jacket so anytime something
got hard, I could pull down photo out. I also
had them write me note, and I wrote myself a note,
so when I had big doubts, I could read that
note to myself and like, no, no, no, here's why
I'm doing this, Here's what I'm doing blah blah blah
blah blah, and for me, I have seven kids, and
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there was seven mountains, and so each child picked a
mountain that was kind of theirs that they researched and
looked into and they owned. And so I was like, well,
I can't disappoint my child, Like he's like, this is
his mountain.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I need to climate. So having that accountability piece really helps. Wow.
Speaker 8 (09:33):
I mean the more you talk, the more impress I get.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
How do you recover from your stummits once you've accomplished
it in your back home? How do you recover?
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Yeah, So here's a key thing to all of us
pursuing big things. We're away from our families. We feel
that guilt and we want to get home immediately. I'm
going to encourage you to lean against that and give
yourself a day at least maybe a couple. So before
I wanted an expedition, and I gave myself one or
two days on the front end to get to that country,
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get settled, and kind of go into the mindset or
the avatar that needed to climb this mountain. When the
climb was done, I would give myself for a day
or two in that country before I came home to
my family, so that I could integrate all the experience
and process it and understand the story that I was
going to tell.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Because when I get home, life's full on.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
There's no question like, I'm in full duty.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Mom's back blah blah blah blah blah, and it's really
hard to be fragmented.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
So I really needed to make sure that, Okay, I'm
done with this climbing expedition. Here's what I learned. Now
I'm going into mom mode. Let's put on that avatar
and show up as best as I can. And having
those like wind up and wind down times really makes
a difference.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
It takes a village in your village. Huh, you'll really
start to your mindset.
Speaker 7 (10:51):
I really like the way you've broken down your mindset
and a push the entire thing. So resilience is something
that we talk about a lot in this podcast. How
do you personally define it and what shape your journey
as a lead?
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Yeah, So for me, resilience is being able to stay
in your integrity no matter what happens. So things are
going to push against us, and are you still able
to show up the way you want to, to think
the way they want to or is something wearing you down?
And now you want to play small or you need
to play big or whatever. Right, So for me, it's
always checking in with myself. Is this how I want
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to be? Is this who I want to show up as?
Is this somebody I'm proud of? And those little teeny
tiny check ins. At first, I had to set alarms
on my phone, So I would set alarms in the
afternoon and that alarm would go off, and it'd be
a question to myself, Okay, am I showing up as
the person I want to be?
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Yes? I am? Or no I'm not.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
What do I need to change so I can be
more authentically me and not get lost into the flow
of life that autopilot kind of sucks us into. So
those are things that I do to stay resilient and
just honor my path and stay true to myself.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Nice, very very mindful. I love it.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Beyond your physical achievements, You've turned your journey undoubtedly into
a platform for inspiring others through your podcast Seek your
Summant and your book Breakproof. So sharing your story has
become just as powerful as living it. Right, what's the
most rewarding part of connecting with audiences around the world
and what do you hope people take away from your story.
Speaker 9 (12:23):
Yeah, that's a lot of question.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
Okay, So what I hope people take away from my
story most is being kind to myself makes me stronger.
Like the world's hard things come at us from all
different directions. There's opinions, there's so much things that we
need to do and decipher to make sure it's right
for us. That if we're not our biggest cheerleader, no
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one else is going to be. So you have to
start with that mindset of if I'm kind to myself,
supporting myself, helping myself, that's actually making me stronger for
everything that I'm trying to pursue in this world. When
I wrote the book brak Proof, what I did is
I took each mountain and kind of extracted a business
personal lesson from it to help you see it in
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black and white. And one of the biggest things that
I take away from the journey still is big mountains
take big teams. So if you have this big goal
in this big pursuit and this big desire to bring
to life, and you're doing it by yourself, and you're
starting to negotiate with.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Yourself or trying to be like Oh, I was pren optimistic.
I need to dial that back. I'm gonna say no,
you don't need to dial that back, sister.
Speaker 8 (13:29):
You need to sit with yourself and say, who can
help me?
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Because we're here to collaborate and help each other and
get to the top of those mountains metaphorical or physical.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
And we are officially officially at the end of our date. Jen,
it was so inspirational having you back on and chatting
with you. I love that I got to tell your
story with Doctor Daisy this time.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Truly, you are remarkable. Yeah, things cook to you, Mama seven.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Jen, your story is one for the ages, a reminder
that we can take life's most difficult moments and turn
them into opportunities for growth, stress, and adventure. Thank you
for sharing your wisdom, your resilience, and your incredible journey
with us today, Doctor Daisy. As always, it's a privilege
having your insights on the segment and to our listeners.
Make sure to check out Jen's book Breakproof and her
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podcast Seek Your Summit for even more inspiration. You could
follow her journey at the gen Drummond and you can
head directly to her website Gendrummond dot com. We'll be
right back with more on a Moment of Zen right
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single motherhood and fighting for women's equality in the nineteen seventies.
She also brings magic to the big screen and Harold
in the Purple Crayon. Beyond her impressive career, her personal
story is one of resilience and hope. After a four
year journey through IVF treatments, she welcomed her son in
twenty nineteen through donor conception. Camille now advocates passionately for
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fertility awareness, sharing her own journey to empower others facing
similar challenges. Today, she's going to join me to talk
about her path to motherhood, her career, and her ongoing
mission to bring light to women's health issues.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Welcome to the show's superstar.
Speaker 9 (16:58):
Hi, thank you for having having me.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
So excited to dive right into this deep conversation and
creative one too, because you embody so much.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
So let's let's dive in.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
So studies show that around ten to fifteen percent of
couples in the United States experience infertility, and this translates
into millions of people navigating a complex, emotionally charged path
to parenthood. Now you've been so candid about your five
rounds of IVF and IUI.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
It's remarkable and rare to hear such openness.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Can you tell us about what inspired you to share
your journey with the world and.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
How it shaped your outlook on motherhood.
Speaker 9 (17:37):
Yeah. Absolutely, Well, first off, I was, you know, a
woman who was so dedicated to my career, and I
always put family on the back burner, even though I
knew the importance of that. But I didn't think I
was ever going to have a problem. I you know,
no gynecologist, nobody ever said hey, you know, you should
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be thinking about becoming a mother or breezing your eggs
or anything to preserve my fertility. Nobody talked about it.
And I always thought, I'm just gonna say it. I'm Latin.
I'm like, hey, you know, maybe I'm not gonna have
a problem. Like we have babies all the time. And
when I decided that it was time, I slowly but
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surely realized that, wow, one year of trying did not
amount to any pregnancies. And then that brought us to
an IVF clinic that said, uh, your insides don't match
your outsides. You know, your your insides are that of
a fifty year old. And I was thirty eight at
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the time, so thirty eight is late in the game.
I think, but that really took me by surprise, and
I was like, because no one had ever said any
thing by this point. So we did our first IVF, second, IVF, third, fourth, fifth,
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IUI everything. We had twenty one embryos that we ended
up transferring all in all, and then we even had
a six cycle that we canceled because I had nothing
to work with and all of that. When I finally
got pregnant through donor conception, I remember people magazine wanted
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to announce my pregnancy. They had no idea. They were like, oh,
they just wanted to, you know, Ah, you're pregnant.
Speaker 10 (19:33):
And I just sat there and I was like, wow,
I I know I don't have to tell anybody what
I went through, But what a disservice that would be
to all the women out there to say that I'm
pregnant and not say how it happened because nobody told me.
Speaker 9 (19:57):
And also the fact that it would be such a
shame on my journey.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
That is so true. You know, you just said it.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
The shame that you would feel about this proud journey
with leaving important information at bay is doing a huge
disservice to women because all they see is this picture
perfect cover.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
So you're an inspiration.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Your courage to speak out shines a light on something
many still struggle to talk about now. When it comes
to alternative paths to motherhoods such as egg donation, many
women struggle with fears of not feeling connected to their
child if you will, and according to recent studies, this
is a very common concern among families who consider this option.
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You mentioned feeling hesitant about this yourself at first, So
how did you overcome those feelings and what advice would
you offer other mothers to be you know that are
grappling with similar emotions.
Speaker 9 (20:58):
This was a very hard decision for me. I think
there's a lot of responsibility that comes with this decision,
and that's one, it's looking at all of those responsibilities
and really getting your mind around that and knowing that
you can handle that. Two, you have to grieve if
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this is a if this is a decision that if
you guys are on the precipice of making this decision
to use donor conception, you do have to grieve the loss.
Like how many times did I have a vision of
what my baby was going to look like? And I
had I mean selfishly, it was a little meat. It
was like, you know, a little that was my baby.
That's who I thought I.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
Was going to have.
Speaker 9 (21:43):
Every single time there was a failed pregnancy. So when
that doesn't happen after five years of trying twenty one
embryos transferred, then you have to mourn that loss and
then you get to go to a place of gratitude.
Right then you go to this place of Wow, this
woman is not a Why am I jealous of her?
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She's actually a gift.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
You know.
Speaker 9 (22:09):
And I get chills when I say this, because I
was so afraid of this woman. I was. I thought
my husband was going to be into her and not me,
because she's doing the thing that I'm supposed to be doing.
And I'm broken and I'm damaged goods and she's not.
She's young, and she's vital, and you know, it has
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all of these things that I don't have, and she's
giving my husband a baby. This is how I viewed it,
like I have no part in this. And when I
shifted my lens to gratitude, and I was like, Wow,
this woman is giving me the gift of motherhood. This
woman has given me this gift of being able because
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my body was able to carry. So she's given me
that ability to be able to do that, to experience
carrying my son in my belly and nurturing him for
nine months and giving birth to him like I would
never have been able to experience that if I just
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said no, I don't want to do this.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Now.
Speaker 9 (23:18):
This isn't for everybody, I understand, but for me, I
am so grateful that I made that choice.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Well, you brought such emotions to this conversation. I teared
up for a little bit, but thank you for that honesty, Camil.
It's so powerful for people to hear this from someone
who's been through it and as on the receiving end
as a mother.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
You are so brave. You are so brave.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Now, I'm going to pivot back to some statistics as
I go through this one in the next couple of questions,
but I want to talk about your son. In twenty nineteen,
your son more Sin Raphael was born, finally bringing your
dream to life. So this must have been a world
win of emotions and study and studies highlight the intense
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joy parents feel after long fertility journeys, yet there's often
a lingering sense of anxiety. So can you describe what
that moment was like for you and how your perspective
on motherhood has now shifted since his birth.
Speaker 9 (24:27):
Well, you know, I have to say for me, because
everybody is everyone has a different pregnancy, right, I was
one of the happiest pregnant women, even though I did
have some issues in my pregnancy as well. But I
was just so elated to finally see my belly growing.
Because every time I walked down the street and I
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couldn't get pregnant, and I saw a pregnant belly that
was like a trigger for me. So to be able
to have that myself was just I was filled with
so much joy. So then when I when giving birth,
when I first laid eyes on this little man, I
just it's almost a shock, right. And I know, and
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I said this, I was spoken. I was speaking to
a woman yesterday and I said this to her. I said,
all of the all of the sadness, and I'm not
gonna say fear, because there's still your fears from using
a donor egg still carry. But all of the sadness
and all of the hardship and all of those miscarriages
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or you know, un no pregnancies from the transfers, all
of that goes away, she goes Really, I said, one
hundred percent. I couldn't even connect to the sadness. I
couldn't connect.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Oh this warms my heart. It warms my heart. You
know why, because he looks like you.
Speaker 9 (25:49):
You think, so, oh good.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I look Yes, she looks like you.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
And this is where nurture over nature really comes into play.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
That's a different interview, but he does.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
And you know, in recent years, celebrities sharing their infertility
journeys have raised incredible awareness about this very topic, and
studies show that nearly half of Americans see value in
public figures like yourself, yes, normalizing infertility discussions. So you've
become part of this movement in a beautiful way. How
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does it feel to know that your story is helping
others feel less alone?
Speaker 9 (26:27):
I mean, it's pretty amazing. I said this with the
intention of helping others, of raising awareness for fertility for women,
and to know that you have power and decision making
earlier on and to now know that I have reached
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so many people and have helped so many people. But
at the same time, I have to say that speaking
out has healed me, and talking to people about my
story and hearing their story and finding the similarities and
just navigating it together has one hundred percent healed me.
(27:09):
And it normalizes it as well.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
You know.
Speaker 9 (27:12):
It's it's I speak also for the future of my
son and to take away the stigma that donor conception
had for me that I know it has for others.
So the more I talk about it, the more it
normalizes and it normalizes his future.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
You know, I'm going to shift to the name Morrison
Raphael because I want to be mindful of the time.
So the name Morrison Rafael is so beautiful and meaningful,
honoring both your father and size grandfather. Could you share
what these names mean to you personally and how do
you hope they shape Morrison's identity.
Speaker 9 (27:48):
It's so funny. He asked me yesterday, Mommy, why did
you name me Morrison? And I was like, oh, I'm like,
do you not know this story? And he's like, I
just want to hear it again. I said, okay. So
I think originally we wanted Sonny. Sonny was going to
be his name, and a lot of my friends still
call him Sonny because when I was pregnant, they were
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like little baby Sonny and we loved his grandfather. His
grandfather who was Papamo. Maury was his name. And so
one day I just saw there was like a burger
shop in LA and it said Morrison's and I said, oh,
that's like Maury and Sonny kind of together. It's Maury's son,
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Maury's son Morrison. I'm like Morrison. And I brought it
to my husband and I was like, what do you
think about Morrison? He goes, I love it. I love it.
So that's how Morrison came into play. And then another
person that we respect so much as my father, and
I wanted to carry a Spanish even the Raphael can
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be many different ethnicities, but I wanted it to come
from the cubanside. And so that's how Raphael came in
and to honor my dad. So Morrison, Raphael.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
What a powerful name with so much heart, so omitting
for the Hydration with Heart segment. Now, beyond your acting career,
you've been committed to philanthropic work, including your involvement with
foster care initiatives. Data shows that over four hundred thousand
children are in foster care right here in the US,
with a tremendous need for resources and support. How did
(29:29):
you become passionate about this cause and how can others
contribute to making a difference with you?
Speaker 9 (29:35):
Well, it actually came from my anger of not not
being able to get pregnant, of battling in fertility. And
when we got to the point of where I knew
that my eggs were not viable anymore, and my husband
was really wanting me to do donor conception, I said no.
(29:59):
I said, I want even playing field. I want if
we can't use your if we can't use my eggs,
we're not using your sperm. And it was it was
I was hell bent. So I was like, I'm just
going to start researching adoption, and I started going down
the rabbit hole of foster to adopt and seeing all
of these children that needed homes. I mean talk about
(30:22):
I bawled my eyes out when I started looking. And
then I connected with the foster agency in Los Angeles
and became really close with one of the women there,
and it was Christmas time and I just started working
with her with another friend and helping all of these children.
And then through that we started an organization called Foster
(30:44):
a Dream, and I was for sure that this is
how we were going to have our first was going
to be through the foster system. And then my heart
had softened, and I said, do you know what, let's
just let's try. But you know what, let's try the donor.
But I have twenty one of my own embryos transferred
(31:05):
and not one took. We ended up only having one
donor egg. That's it. One egg that fertilized and ended
up being Morrison. But I remember our large event for
the foster system, one of our largest events that we had,
and that one embryo took. And here I was pregnant
with like thousands of foster kids too. Just the there
(31:29):
was such a beautiful It was so beautiful for me
to be working with all of these kids and with
a foster system in Los Angeles and to be pregnant
and knowing our second one, by the way, is going
to come from the foster system. Now that I'm in,
now that I'm here in Nashville, I'm like, this is
I just got a contact.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
So this is gratulations you're adopting.
Speaker 9 (31:51):
Yeah, I mean eventually, I think, not not this year,
maybe it'll happen pretty soon.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
So we're manifesting it will happen.
Speaker 9 (31:59):
We are manifest that's right.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Wow, well we are almost at the end here.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
That's an incredible, incredible, full circle story. Your heart is
as big as your talent. Thank you for leading by example.
So many people today face silent struggles, especially with fertility
or the road to parenthood. We have nearly one third
of Americans that believe fertility challenges are too rarely discussed,
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but they impact millions of people. So you are doing
an amazing job, my dear. Now, I would be remiss
not to mention hydration extremely critical. Whether you're in IVF
treatments or trying to conceive, or a working actress or
a working mama. Are you a fan of coconut water
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and how has it become part of your routine? I
want to know, more importantly, what benefits do you feel
it brings to your health and energy as you juggle
motherhood and career.
Speaker 9 (32:54):
I absolutely love coconut water, and so does my little one.
We for him, especially because for kids, they always forget
to drink right. So if they're going to take a
sip of something once twice three times in a day,
give them coconut water because it'll replenish everything for them.
In you know two point two seconds, you.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
Are resilient and you are full of heart. I thank
you so much for joining me today.
Speaker 9 (33:21):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
To follow Camille's journey and get more inspiration. You can
find her on social.
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Media at Camille Gwatti.
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And thank you to One spont A Coconut for bringing
us this heartfelt hydration with Heart segment. To all our listeners, remember,
no matter the journey, you're not alone until next time.
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Sam's Welcome to another Going Deep segment in the Expert
on the Microphone series. Today, we're tackling the truths and
myths surrounding menopause and perimenopause. This stage of life has
been misunderstood and overlooked for far too long, leaving many
women feeling unsupported and just misinformed.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Today we aim to change that.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
Joining us are two incredible women who are leading the
charge in their respective fields. Doctor Ashley Winter is a
Board certified urologist and sexual medicine specialist who is reshaping
the conversation around intimacy, pelvic health, and menopause and returning
contributor Lanaker, founder and CEO of Co two Lift and
Lumisk Skincare, which are pioneers of medical grade card boxy
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therapy treatments designed to rejuvenate and empower women from head
to literal tow Together, they're going to help us demystify menopause,
address the stigma, and empower women to advocate for themselves.
Getting started now on breaking the silence, demystifying menopause, and
reclaiming our health and confidence.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Welcome to the show, Superstars. Yeah, Hi, so nice to
have you on, Ashley. It's it's an honor.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
I've been following your hage on Instagram from one mom
to another. Boy, do you ever juggle it all, keep
it real, keep it fresh, and really keep it entertaining.
Let's dive right in because this is something that has
been irking us women way too long. What's the biggest
myth or stigma you encounter about menopause and sexual health
(36:29):
and how do you address it with your patient.
Speaker 8 (36:31):
That menopause is just hot flashes and night sweats, right,
It is every single part of your body. It can
It is our bone strength, it is our cognition. It
is our energy levels, it is our weight, it is
urinary tract infections, which is something I specialize in as
a urologist. It's our intimacy, it's our ability to get lubricated.
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It's our sexual desire, it is the quality of our skin.
It is so many things and in fact, every aspect
of our body. And it's not just about while you
are experiencing those hot flashes and night sweats and mitigating it.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
It is about saying, what.
Speaker 8 (37:11):
Do I want the entire second half of my life
to look like? And what am I gonna do to
be the most vile person I possibly can? So I
think that is the biggest myth, that it's just a
few symptoms and it's not. It's really every aspect of
our bodies.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Wow, what is it not? At that point?
Speaker 5 (37:30):
Well, that was the question I should have led off with.
And it's so interesting you touched on something important. Misinformation
and women thinking that it's just about hot flashes and
night sweats, but it goes further, over fifty percent of
postmenopausal women that are experiencing the genito urinary symptoms, yet
(37:50):
fewer than like twenty five percent seek treatment due to
embarrassment or lack of knowledge. So I'm going to ask
you one further question, Doctor Ashley, you've been a vocal
advocate for vaginal estrogen to support urinarian sexual health. Can
you explain why this treatment is often overlooked and how
it can really drastically improve quality of life for menopausal women?
Speaker 8 (38:12):
Yes, I love this question. Is my favorite topic to
discuss in the entire world. So, the vagina and the bladder,
and the urethreat and the vulva, so our labia and
our glitteress, all of that is exquisitely sensitive to hormones,
both estrogen and actually testosterone, and using ultraload dose vaginal
(38:37):
preparations of these hormones allows your body to avoid things
like your very attracted infections, overactive bladder, bladder inflammation, bladder pain,
in continence. It also is critical for maintaining your ability
to lubricate when you're interested in sex. It makes your
(38:58):
tissue plug stretchy responsive. It allows us to avoid painless sex.
So it is an incredible treatment and it is exquisitely safe.
We know with study after study on really at this
point tens of thousands of women that low doses of
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vaginal hormones do not increase risk of breast cancer, blood clots.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
And anything like.
Speaker 8 (39:25):
It is so safe and so effective, And in terms
of why it's underutilized, there are a number of reasons.
I can tell you. One of the biggest issues is
that in the United States there is an fdaight issued
black box warning on all of these products saying that
they can increase risk of endometrial cancer, breast cancer, dementia,
(39:49):
blood clots, when the data is abundantly clear that it
does not. Right, So, how are women and their healthcare
providers going to get off get past a non evidence
based labeling that is put there by our own government entity, Right?
And because of that, it becomes extremely underutilized and women
(40:13):
suffer as a consequence.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
It's eye opening to learn that such an effective treatment
is underutilized.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
So thank you for clarifying this.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
And now studies show and I'm going to pivot to
Landa that sixty percent of women experience skin changes during menopause,
such as dryness, thinning or loss of elasticity, but many
don't know how to address these issues. So CO two
lift has been recognized for its carboxy therapy treatments. How
do these products help address skin changes, including the skin
(40:42):
down there that occur during menopause and what kind of
results can women really expect.
Speaker 11 (40:47):
We think of this analogy of this grape and a raisin,
which I like to point out. We're born this beautiful brape,
plump looking, and then we'd eventually turn into this raisin.
So fortunately we have the technology that slows it down.
It's the same thing that is happening downstairs. So blood flow,
which is very important for our glitteris because that requires
blood flow to operate optimally, it starts to splow down
(41:10):
so that can start to shrink the skin. Our vaginal
tissue is the skin is similar to what's under our eyes.
It's very thin to eventually stop to lubricate and eventually
leads to painful sext So very much like on the face,
there's a difference in terms of our formulation for the
bee in terms of the pH Why by using it
down there, women are going to experience greater pleasure as
(41:31):
from our clinical studies double bline have shown increase because
that we address clitteral atrophy, it's going to plump that area.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
It's going to make that operate more effectively.
Speaker 11 (41:41):
It's going to thicken the tissue in our vaginal tissues
so it feels like it's tighter, it feels nicer, it's
healthier tissues that women are experiencing less incontinent, less urinary
tract infections because again it balances the pH So it
had been very effective. And I'm a big advocate of hormones.
I've been taking that since I was in my mid
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foloties and still I recognize there was still a decrease
in my sensitivity, which is why we created the CO
two left. But for women who are not necessarily open
staking hormones for whatever reason, this is also a great
option because it's going to help in a very similar
way to what vaginal estrogen, and of course is not
(42:23):
as inexpensive is doing, but even more so in other
areas because it includes blood flow. It is a biostimulator
and a bioregenerator, so it's putting your body in a
position to regenerate the tissues so it can function as
it did when we were more youthful.
Speaker 5 (42:38):
It's exciting to hear about such innovative solutions for something
so many women face. So thank you, Lana, and I
love that you're at the forefront of these technologies and
clinical verification and clinical research I know are of the
utmost important to you and your team. Now, research shows
that forty percent of women experienced low libido during menopause,
but few discuss it with their doctors do to stigma. Ashley,
(43:00):
how do you approach conversations about low libido with your
patients and what treatments or strategies do you recommend to
help them regain intimacy and connection in their relationships.
Speaker 8 (43:10):
We know that there are profound physical factors that can
really affect our libidos. So number one, low testosterone. Testosterone
is the most prevalent hormone in all human bodies, including women,
and it decreases over time, and a profound number of
women in perimenopause and menopause have low testosterone level, and
(43:34):
of course that impacts libido right, so that is something
that's incredibly critical to check and treat. There is extensive
data supporting that there's a copri in review, so that's
the most robust type of meta analysis demonstrating that basically
there's strong recommendation to treat women in menopause with low
(43:55):
sexual desire with testosterone. Okay, it is not for this
is well regarded data. And then there's also actually two
different medications that are FDA a proof for low sexual desire.
One is called flabanserin and the other is called bremelanotide.
They both work on the neurochemicals in the brain because
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you can have a balance that goes towards inhibitory signals
in the brain, like sex inhibitory signals and not the
pro sex signals. So when I have a patient coming
into my office with low sexual desire and they say, hey,
you know, I want to be horny, I want to
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be initiating, I want to be excited about sex. I
don't want to just be responding to the feeling that
my partner needs sex. Right, how do we get there?
So we're going to address the psychosocial component. We're going
to refer them to therapy if they need it. We're
going to check their testosterone levels and prescribe that if
they need it, and then we're going to discuss the
(44:57):
FDA proof medications for low sexual desire. There are tools
to get you horny and initiating and excited about sex,
and you deserve to feel that way.
Speaker 11 (45:08):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
I love this is great.
Speaker 5 (45:10):
So a woman will spend about one third of her
life in menopause. You alluded to this earlier, but so
many of us lack the knowledge or resources to navigate
this stage confidently. And I say that confidently because that's
the optimal word. So, Lana, you've spoken about how your
Cotwolt vaginal treatment is really designed to address vaginal health issues.
(45:31):
I know that your product supports women during menopause, but
why is it important for Why do you feel it's
important for women to feel comfortable in seeking these kind
of solutions.
Speaker 11 (45:42):
I think, well, first of all, you know, because we're
so cerebral women, you know doctor Ashley referred to this.
You know there's a component our brain. Our brain is
actually I feel for women are beg one of our
biggest sexual organs, right, So I think women need to
underst the benefits of sex to them, Like what is
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a benefit of good as a good sexual relationship with
their partner?
Speaker 4 (46:06):
That's one.
Speaker 11 (46:07):
So they have to feel they have to understand that,
and then they have to then they have to recognize
that just because they're getting older, or just like they
seek help for their skin, they need to look at
what is happening down there and there is a solution
to the issues of aging down there, whether it be
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in our drive and so on.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
It's really inspiring to hear about treatments like yours that
not only improve health but also boost confidence. And I
love that you took matters into your own hands and
use yourself to set precedents of what women truly want
and feel by virtue of knowing what your body was
going through, and then you applied that logic to your
formula and boom, you have such a proprietary product. I've
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used both your products and I can attest to both
of them, both on the vaginal.
Speaker 4 (46:55):
Level and on the skincare level. Incredible.
Speaker 5 (46:59):
Now, chronic pelvic pain effects up to twenty five percent
of women, but many are unaware of the link between
pelvic floor dysfunction and menopause. Interesting, right, So, doctor Ashley, again,
this is your field of expertise. You work closely with
pelvic physical therapists. How does collaboration with these specialists benefit
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women experiencing that chronic pelvic pain or sexual dysfunction during menopause.
Speaker 8 (47:26):
The muscles of your pelvic floor are critical for so
many things, So if they spasm, it leads to pain
with sex. If you can't tension them correctly, it can
lead to reduced orgasm sense. Like strength right, clenching those
pelvic floor muscles helps you improve your orgasm quality. If
(47:47):
they are spasming, you might have to feel like you
have to pee all the time. You're not gonna want
to have sex. If you feel like you're going to
lose urine right during sexual activity, it can lead to
pain after sex or you organism in both men and women,
So these muscles like the vagina, bladder, urethra, clitoris, and vulva,
(48:09):
these muscles are also very sensitive to hormones, so you
can have direct changes to the muscle function when your
testosterone level goes down in both men and women, and
when your estrogen level goes down. But on top of that,
if your tissue right is affected from menopause, if you
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are dry, if you cannot lubricate, if the vaginal lining
does not stretch the way it's supposed to, then you
develop a response to that negative sexual experience where you
tend your muscles right, so it's all connected. It can
be the initiator or or the outcome of sexual dysfunction.
(48:58):
In terms of how I approach this, I I'm in
the pulvic floor on any patient of mine who I
think it's appropriate, I refer to public floor physical therapy.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
All the time.
Speaker 8 (49:08):
And then there are often interventions that we do, such
as injecting things like botox into the pelvic floor that
can be really helpful for people who are experiencing muscle pasm, spasm,
or pain with sex. And oftentimes I'll do that in
consultation with a public floor physical therapist who says, I
noticed on exam there's a point of tension in this
specific area. We're going to target it right. Just the
(49:29):
same way somebody with headaches can benefit from botox in
certain muscles around their forehead, we can help people with
sexual pain who have tension in certain muscles of their publice.
Speaker 5 (49:43):
Boy, you got a lot of stuff in that toolbox
of yours, so Landau, in the line of work that
you do, how do you help debunk the stigma surrounding
about our skin down there, and what's the most common
misconception about it, specifically during menopause.
Speaker 11 (50:00):
Just by I think conversation, just open conversations with no
kind of laughing about it, not making fun of it.
You know, at first when we started before there are
people like Ashley who wish I love talking about this subject.
You know, when I was in my forties, I didn't
really see anyone having that conversation. When we started it,
we would put a lot of humor too it because
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women were very uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
Now I've changed that. We're just talking straight.
Speaker 11 (50:24):
Just like we would talk about skincare on our face,
we talk about aging on our knees. You know, it's
almost like we jumped past our middle section, went to
the knees and forgot about our volva and vagina. So conversations,
I think talking about the fact that this is just
a normal part of aging that now we have a
solution for is going to help women to feel open
about having those conversations. That's one of the biggest things
(50:47):
I think that we do as a company. Also using
my own example, you know, I tend to lead by example.
In fact, even we talked about you know, as she
was talking about muscles, I did the vaginal plasty, not
that I needed it right now, because I wanted to
know what women experience when they're going to go well
with the benefit of doing that for myself, using myself
an example, being very honest and candidable, my own experience
(51:10):
has helped open up the conversations for many other women.
Speaker 4 (51:14):
Well, thank you both.
Speaker 5 (51:15):
We are at the end of our date, my friends.
I thank you both for coming on. It was such
an incredible and really inspiring and transparent conversation.
Speaker 4 (51:23):
Thank you, thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 5 (51:25):
Now for more information, you can follow doctor Winter on
the Gram at Ashley G. Winter and explore Lana Kurs
products at co two lift dot com. Remember, the journey
through menopause is not something you have to face alone.
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She's a mom of seven, a world record holding mountaineer, author, speaker, podcaster,
and entrepreneur.
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She's going to dive into her incredible journey, the strength
it took to get her there, and how she balances
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first woman to climb the seven second Summits, which are
the second highest peaks on each continent. Stay tuned for
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Welcome back, beautiful Tri State area.
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You're listening to a moment of zen right here on
seven to ten wo R the voice of New York iHeartRadio.
I'm your host, Zenzam's up next in the Polish Beauty segment.
I'm thrilled to be joined by my contributor, doctor Daisy Aim.
She's a Triple Board certified obgyn and founder of the
Polished Beauty Podcast and one of the most inspiring voices
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in health and beauty. Now let me introduce today's guest.
She's a woman who truly truly defines resilience, purpose and strength.
Jen Drummond is a mom of seven, a world record
holding mountaineer, an.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Author, a speaker, a podcaster, and an entrepreneur. Let's go
back a bit.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
In twenty eighteen, after surviving a near fatal car accident,
she realized that while we don't get to choose when
we leave this life, we do get to choose how
we live it. That life changing moment set her on
a path of adventure and self discovery. When her then
eight year old son dared her to climb Mount Everest,
she took on the challenge and didn't stop there. Jen
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went on to set a world record as the first
woman to climb the seven second Summits, the second highest
peaks on each continent. Her book Breakproof and her podcast
Seek Your Summit inspire people everywhere to embrace challenges, lead themselves,
and push beyond their limits. Today, we're going to dive
into her incredible journey, the strength it took to get
her there, and how she balances her many rules. Welcome
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the extraordinary Jen Drummond. Such an honor to have you
with us today. Welcome to the show, superstar. Hey, Hey, hey,
thanks for having me today. Super excit to be here.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
So your story is the epitome of turning a life
altering event into a source of strength. Surviving a car
accident that should have ended your life is unimaginable, yet
you found a way to let that moment inspire.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
This bold new direction, if you will.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
So how did you channel the trauma of that experience
into motivation to live more authentically and adventurously.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Yeah, you know, I think that accident happened for me,
not to me, And it allowed me to reflect on
my life and realize we're leaving, like this is not
a game that we get to play forever.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
This life is ours, and I check out on myself.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
So if I don't love the person that I'm living as,
or showing up as, or the things I'm doing, that's
not me, that's not on anybody else. And so I
used to follow the rules and people please and all
that kind of stuff. And when that accident happened, it
gave me permission to say, I'm sorry. I got to
do this on my terms. If I disappoint you, I'll
vibe my tribe and you're not part of it.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I mean, you've embraced challenges, and I love what you
just said, But the fact that you've embraced these challenges
that most of us would have never dreamed of facing.
What mindset shifts did you need to make as a
mother of seven to take on the physical and emotional
demands of scaling the seven second, summits, that's no easy feat.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Yeah, it's not easy, but I don't think life's designed
to be easy. We get to find out what we're
made of and who we are when we start pushing
against our edges and challenging ourselves, and when we overcome
or make something happen that we tried so hard for,
that's what we celebrate. That's what gets us excited. For me,
I realized, I have seven kids watching every move I make,
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and if I don't show them how to live a
life that you're passionate about, you're excited about that you
can't wait to wake up to, where are they going
to learn that? Like I'm demonstrating them how you do life.
And so I realized I needed to do a better
job at that. Well, it's really impressive that you have
seven kids. Let's clap to that. Okay, that's in the
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common plish one on his own.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
How would you advise women out there that are trying
to do something like this and balance family and life
and not feel guilty or hesitant to pursue their dream?
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (07:11):
Well, I think first of all, you have to be
honest with yourself and what you're capable of doing. I
remember telling my coach, Hey, here's my order priorities, my family,
my business, then my athletic pursuits. So on Sundays, I
would give them my calendar and be like, Okay, figure
out how we're going to fit the athletic pieces in here.
Then you would look at my calendar and he's like, Jen,
you're going to be climbing a molehill at this rate
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because you need more time in here to make this work.
And so when we sat down and we examined, I said, Okay,
you know what this zoom call I can do while
I'm on a walking treadmill. I just have to have
an AI technology blug in there record the call. I
don't need to be on camera, and I can still
understand what's going on this soccer.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Game that I'm going to.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
I'm going to bring a twelve inch step I'm going
to carry a backpack full of water bottles, and I'm
going to be on the ende of that soccer field
doing my step ups so that I get an hour
half workout while I'm watching my soccer game.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
So is my training perfect?
Speaker 6 (08:04):
Absolutely not textbook training, But it worked for me because
it allowed me to show up as a person I
wanted to be and still do things I was interested
in pursuing.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Wow, that's really clever.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
So scaling the seven second summits is a feat that
few people in the world, man or women, have accomplished.
It's a physical, mental, and logistical challenge that requires unparalleled perseverance.
What was the most challenging summit for you and how
did you push through the moments of doubt or fear
while you were on that journey.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Yeah, so having a clear why, because you're gonna have
doubts and questioning it multiple times. It's not a Hey,
I satisfied that answer, now I'm good. It's like, hey,
every single time something goes wrong, I'm like.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Why am I doing this? Why am I doing this?
Why am I doing this?
Speaker 6 (08:52):
So for me, I brought a picture of my children
and I kept it in my jacket so anytime something
got hard, I could pull down photo out. I also
had them write me note, and I wrote myself a note,
so when I had big doubts, I could read that
note to myself and like, no, no, no, here's why
I'm doing this, Here's what I'm doing blah blah blah
blah blah, and for me, I have seven kids, and
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there was seven mountains, and so each child picked a
mountain that was kind of theirs that they researched and
looked into and they owned. And so I was like, well,
I can't disappoint my child, Like he's like, this is
his mountain.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I need to climate. So having that accountability piece really helps. Wow.
Speaker 8 (09:33):
I mean the more you talk, the more impress I get.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
How do you recover from your stummits once you've accomplished
it in your back home? How do you recover?
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Yeah, So here's a key thing to all of us
pursuing big things. We're away from our families. We feel
that guilt and we want to get home immediately. I'm
going to encourage you to lean against that and give
yourself a day at least maybe a couple. So before
I wanted an expedition, and I gave myself one or
two days on the front end to get to that country,
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get settled, and kind of go into the mindset or
the avatar that needed to climb this mountain. When the
climb was done, I would give myself for a day
or two in that country before I came home to
my family, so that I could integrate all the experience
and process it and understand the story that I was
going to tell.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Because when I get home, life's full on.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
There's no question like, I'm in full duty.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Mom's back blah blah blah blah blah, and it's really
hard to be fragmented.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
So I really needed to make sure that, Okay, I'm
done with this climbing expedition. Here's what I learned. Now
I'm going into mom mode. Let's put on that avatar
and show up as best as I can. And having
those like wind up and wind down times really makes
a difference.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
It takes a village in your village. Huh, you'll really
start to your mindset.
Speaker 7 (10:51):
I really like the way you've broken down your mindset
and a push the entire thing. So resilience is something
that we talk about a lot in this podcast. How
do you personally define it and what shape your journey
as a lead?
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Yeah, So for me, resilience is being able to stay
in your integrity no matter what happens. So things are
going to push against us, and are you still able
to show up the way you want to, to think
the way they want to or is something wearing you down?
And now you want to play small or you need
to play big or whatever. Right, So for me, it's
always checking in with myself. Is this how I want
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to be? Is this who I want to show up as?
Is this somebody I'm proud of? And those little teeny
tiny check ins. At first, I had to set alarms
on my phone, So I would set alarms in the
afternoon and that alarm would go off, and it'd be
a question to myself, Okay, am I showing up as
the person I want to be?
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Yes? I am? Or no I'm not.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
What do I need to change so I can be
more authentically me and not get lost into the flow
of life that autopilot kind of sucks us into. So
those are things that I do to stay resilient and
just honor my path and stay true to myself.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Nice, very very mindful. I love it.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Beyond your physical achievements, You've turned your journey undoubtedly into
a platform for inspiring others through your podcast Seek your
Summant and your book Breakproof. So sharing your story has
become just as powerful as living it. Right, what's the
most rewarding part of connecting with audiences around the world
and what do you hope people take away from your story.
Speaker 9 (12:23):
Yeah, that's a lot of question.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
Okay, So what I hope people take away from my
story most is being kind to myself makes me stronger.
Like the world's hard things come at us from all
different directions. There's opinions, there's so much things that we
need to do and decipher to make sure it's right
for us. That if we're not our biggest cheerleader, no
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one else is going to be. So you have to
start with that mindset of if I'm kind to myself,
supporting myself, helping myself, that's actually making me stronger for
everything that I'm trying to pursue in this world. When
I wrote the book brak Proof, what I did is
I took each mountain and kind of extracted a business
personal lesson from it to help you see it in
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black and white. And one of the biggest things that
I take away from the journey still is big mountains
take big teams. So if you have this big goal
in this big pursuit and this big desire to bring
to life, and you're doing it by yourself, and you're
starting to negotiate with.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Yourself or trying to be like Oh, I was pren optimistic.
I need to dial that back. I'm gonna say no,
you don't need to dial that back, sister.
Speaker 8 (13:29):
You need to sit with yourself and say, who can
help me?
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Because we're here to collaborate and help each other and
get to the top of those mountains metaphorical or physical.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
And we are officially officially at the end of our date. Jen,
it was so inspirational having you back on and chatting
with you. I love that I got to tell your
story with Doctor Daisy this time.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Truly, you are remarkable. Yeah, things cook to you, Mama seven.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Jen, your story is one for the ages, a reminder
that we can take life's most difficult moments and turn
them into opportunities for growth, stress, and adventure. Thank you
for sharing your wisdom, your resilience, and your incredible journey
with us today, Doctor Daisy. As always, it's a privilege
having your insights on the segment and to our listeners.
Make sure to check out Jen's book Breakproof and her
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podcast Seek Your Summit for even more inspiration. You could
follow her journey at the gen Drummond and you can
head directly to her website Gendrummond dot com. We'll be
right back with more on a Moment of Zen right
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down with actress Camille Gwati. She's known for her versatile
performances across TV and film, and she's recently starred in
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single motherhood and fighting for women's equality in the nineteen seventies.
She also brings magic to the big screen and Harold
in the Purple Crayon. Beyond her impressive career, her personal
story is one of resilience and hope. After a four
year journey through IVF treatments, she welcomed her son in
twenty nineteen through donor conception. Camille now advocates passionately for
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fertility awareness, sharing her own journey to empower others facing
similar challenges. Today, she's going to join me to talk
about her path to motherhood, her career, and her ongoing
mission to bring light to women's health issues.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Welcome to the show's superstar.
Speaker 9 (16:58):
Hi, thank you for having having me.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
So excited to dive right into this deep conversation and
creative one too, because you embody so much.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
So let's let's dive in.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
So studies show that around ten to fifteen percent of
couples in the United States experience infertility, and this translates
into millions of people navigating a complex, emotionally charged path
to parenthood. Now you've been so candid about your five
rounds of IVF and IUI.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
It's remarkable and rare to hear such openness.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Can you tell us about what inspired you to share
your journey with the world and.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
How it shaped your outlook on motherhood.
Speaker 9 (17:37):
Yeah. Absolutely, Well, first off, I was, you know, a
woman who was so dedicated to my career, and I
always put family on the back burner, even though I
knew the importance of that. But I didn't think I
was ever going to have a problem. I you know,
no gynecologist, nobody ever said hey, you know, you should
(18:01):
be thinking about becoming a mother or breezing your eggs
or anything to preserve my fertility. Nobody talked about it.
And I always thought, I'm just gonna say it. I'm Latin.
I'm like, hey, you know, maybe I'm not gonna have
a problem. Like we have babies all the time. And
when I decided that it was time, I slowly but
(18:25):
surely realized that, wow, one year of trying did not
amount to any pregnancies. And then that brought us to
an IVF clinic that said, uh, your insides don't match
your outsides. You know, your your insides are that of
a fifty year old. And I was thirty eight at
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the time, so thirty eight is late in the game.
I think, but that really took me by surprise, and
I was like, because no one had ever said any
thing by this point. So we did our first IVF, second, IVF, third, fourth, fifth,
(19:07):
IUI everything. We had twenty one embryos that we ended
up transferring all in all, and then we even had
a six cycle that we canceled because I had nothing
to work with and all of that. When I finally
got pregnant through donor conception, I remember people magazine wanted
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to announce my pregnancy. They had no idea. They were like, oh,
they just wanted to, you know, Ah, you're pregnant.
Speaker 10 (19:33):
And I just sat there and I was like, wow,
I I know I don't have to tell anybody what
I went through, But what a disservice that would be
to all the women out there to say that I'm
pregnant and not say how it happened because nobody told me.
Speaker 9 (19:57):
And also the fact that it would be such a
shame on my journey.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
That is so true. You know, you just said it.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
The shame that you would feel about this proud journey
with leaving important information at bay is doing a huge
disservice to women because all they see is this picture
perfect cover.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
So you're an inspiration.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Your courage to speak out shines a light on something
many still struggle to talk about now. When it comes
to alternative paths to motherhoods such as egg donation, many
women struggle with fears of not feeling connected to their
child if you will, and according to recent studies, this
is a very common concern among families who consider this option.
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You mentioned feeling hesitant about this yourself at first, So
how did you overcome those feelings and what advice would
you offer other mothers to be you know that are
grappling with similar emotions.
Speaker 9 (20:58):
This was a very hard decision for me. I think
there's a lot of responsibility that comes with this decision,
and that's one, it's looking at all of those responsibilities
and really getting your mind around that and knowing that
you can handle that. Two, you have to grieve if
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this is a if this is a decision that if
you guys are on the precipice of making this decision
to use donor conception, you do have to grieve the loss.
Like how many times did I have a vision of
what my baby was going to look like? And I
had I mean selfishly, it was a little meat. It
was like, you know, a little that was my baby.
That's who I thought I.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
Was going to have.
Speaker 9 (21:43):
Every single time there was a failed pregnancy. So when
that doesn't happen after five years of trying twenty one
embryos transferred, then you have to mourn that loss and
then you get to go to a place of gratitude.
Right then you go to this place of Wow, this
woman is not a Why am I jealous of her?
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She's actually a gift.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
You know.
Speaker 9 (22:09):
And I get chills when I say this, because I
was so afraid of this woman. I was. I thought
my husband was going to be into her and not me,
because she's doing the thing that I'm supposed to be doing.
And I'm broken and I'm damaged goods and she's not.
She's young, and she's vital, and you know, it has
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all of these things that I don't have, and she's
giving my husband a baby. This is how I viewed it,
like I have no part in this. And when I
shifted my lens to gratitude, and I was like, Wow,
this woman is giving me the gift of motherhood. This
woman has given me this gift of being able because
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my body was able to carry. So she's given me
that ability to be able to do that, to experience
carrying my son in my belly and nurturing him for
nine months and giving birth to him like I would
never have been able to experience that if I just
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said no, I don't want to do this.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Now.
Speaker 9 (23:18):
This isn't for everybody, I understand, but for me, I
am so grateful that I made that choice.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Well, you brought such emotions to this conversation. I teared
up for a little bit, but thank you for that honesty, Camil.
It's so powerful for people to hear this from someone
who's been through it and as on the receiving end
as a mother.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
You are so brave. You are so brave.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Now, I'm going to pivot back to some statistics as
I go through this one in the next couple of questions,
but I want to talk about your son. In twenty nineteen,
your son more Sin Raphael was born, finally bringing your
dream to life. So this must have been a world
win of emotions and study and studies highlight the intense
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joy parents feel after long fertility journeys, yet there's often
a lingering sense of anxiety. So can you describe what
that moment was like for you and how your perspective
on motherhood has now shifted since his birth.
Speaker 9 (24:27):
Well, you know, I have to say for me, because
everybody is everyone has a different pregnancy, right, I was
one of the happiest pregnant women, even though I did
have some issues in my pregnancy as well. But I
was just so elated to finally see my belly growing.
Because every time I walked down the street and I
(24:47):
couldn't get pregnant, and I saw a pregnant belly that
was like a trigger for me. So to be able
to have that myself was just I was filled with
so much joy. So then when I when giving birth,
when I first laid eyes on this little man, I
just it's almost a shock, right. And I know, and
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I said this, I was spoken. I was speaking to
a woman yesterday and I said this to her. I said,
all of the all of the sadness, and I'm not
gonna say fear, because there's still your fears from using
a donor egg still carry. But all of the sadness
and all of the hardship and all of those miscarriages
(25:30):
or you know, un no pregnancies from the transfers, all
of that goes away, she goes Really, I said, one
hundred percent. I couldn't even connect to the sadness. I
couldn't connect.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Oh this warms my heart. It warms my heart. You
know why, because he looks like you.
Speaker 9 (25:49):
You think, so, oh good.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I look Yes, she looks like you.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
And this is where nurture over nature really comes into play.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
That's a different interview, but he does.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
And you know, in recent years, celebrities sharing their infertility
journeys have raised incredible awareness about this very topic, and
studies show that nearly half of Americans see value in
public figures like yourself, yes, normalizing infertility discussions. So you've
become part of this movement in a beautiful way. How
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does it feel to know that your story is helping
others feel less alone?
Speaker 9 (26:27):
I mean, it's pretty amazing. I said this with the
intention of helping others, of raising awareness for fertility for women,
and to know that you have power and decision making
earlier on and to now know that I have reached
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so many people and have helped so many people. But
at the same time, I have to say that speaking
out has healed me, and talking to people about my
story and hearing their story and finding the similarities and
just navigating it together has one hundred percent healed me.
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And it normalizes it as well.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
You know.
Speaker 9 (27:12):
It's it's I speak also for the future of my
son and to take away the stigma that donor conception
had for me that I know it has for others.
So the more I talk about it, the more it
normalizes and it normalizes his future.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
You know, I'm going to shift to the name Morrison
Raphael because I want to be mindful of the time.
So the name Morrison Rafael is so beautiful and meaningful,
honoring both your father and size grandfather. Could you share
what these names mean to you personally and how do
you hope they shape Morrison's identity.
Speaker 9 (27:48):
It's so funny. He asked me yesterday, Mommy, why did
you name me Morrison? And I was like, oh, I'm like,
do you not know this story? And he's like, I
just want to hear it again. I said, okay. So
I think originally we wanted Sonny. Sonny was going to
be his name, and a lot of my friends still
call him Sonny because when I was pregnant, they were
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like little baby Sonny and we loved his grandfather. His
grandfather who was Papamo. Maury was his name. And so
one day I just saw there was like a burger
shop in LA and it said Morrison's and I said, oh,
that's like Maury and Sonny kind of together. It's Maury's son,
(28:35):
Maury's son Morrison. I'm like Morrison. And I brought it
to my husband and I was like, what do you
think about Morrison? He goes, I love it. I love it.
So that's how Morrison came into play. And then another
person that we respect so much as my father, and
I wanted to carry a Spanish even the Raphael can
(28:56):
be many different ethnicities, but I wanted it to come
from the cubanside. And so that's how Raphael came in
and to honor my dad. So Morrison, Raphael.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
What a powerful name with so much heart, so omitting
for the Hydration with Heart segment. Now, beyond your acting career,
you've been committed to philanthropic work, including your involvement with
foster care initiatives. Data shows that over four hundred thousand
children are in foster care right here in the US,
with a tremendous need for resources and support. How did
(29:29):
you become passionate about this cause and how can others
contribute to making a difference with you?
Speaker 9 (29:35):
Well, it actually came from my anger of not not
being able to get pregnant, of battling in fertility. And
when we got to the point of where I knew
that my eggs were not viable anymore, and my husband
was really wanting me to do donor conception, I said no.
(29:59):
I said, I want even playing field. I want if
we can't use your if we can't use my eggs,
we're not using your sperm. And it was it was
I was hell bent. So I was like, I'm just
going to start researching adoption, and I started going down
the rabbit hole of foster to adopt and seeing all
of these children that needed homes. I mean talk about
(30:22):
I bawled my eyes out when I started looking. And
then I connected with the foster agency in Los Angeles
and became really close with one of the women there,
and it was Christmas time and I just started working
with her with another friend and helping all of these children.
And then through that we started an organization called Foster
(30:44):
a Dream, and I was for sure that this is
how we were going to have our first was going
to be through the foster system. And then my heart
had softened, and I said, do you know what, let's
just let's try. But you know what, let's try the donor.
But I have twenty one of my own embryos transferred
(31:05):
and not one took. We ended up only having one
donor egg. That's it. One egg that fertilized and ended
up being Morrison. But I remember our large event for
the foster system, one of our largest events that we had,
and that one embryo took. And here I was pregnant
with like thousands of foster kids too. Just the there
(31:29):
was such a beautiful It was so beautiful for me
to be working with all of these kids and with
a foster system in Los Angeles and to be pregnant
and knowing our second one, by the way, is going
to come from the foster system. Now that I'm in,
now that I'm here in Nashville, I'm like, this is
I just got a contact.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
So this is gratulations you're adopting.
Speaker 9 (31:51):
Yeah, I mean eventually, I think, not not this year,
maybe it'll happen pretty soon.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
So we're manifesting it will happen.
Speaker 9 (31:59):
We are manifest that's right.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Wow, well we are almost at the end here.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
That's an incredible, incredible, full circle story. Your heart is
as big as your talent. Thank you for leading by example.
So many people today face silent struggles, especially with fertility
or the road to parenthood. We have nearly one third
of Americans that believe fertility challenges are too rarely discussed,
(32:25):
but they impact millions of people. So you are doing
an amazing job, my dear. Now, I would be remiss
not to mention hydration extremely critical. Whether you're in IVF
treatments or trying to conceive, or a working actress or
a working mama. Are you a fan of coconut water
(32:45):
and how has it become part of your routine? I
want to know, more importantly, what benefits do you feel
it brings to your health and energy as you juggle
motherhood and career.
Speaker 9 (32:54):
I absolutely love coconut water, and so does my little one.
We for him, especially because for kids, they always forget
to drink right. So if they're going to take a
sip of something once twice three times in a day,
give them coconut water because it'll replenish everything for them.
In you know two point two seconds, you.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
Are resilient and you are full of heart. I thank
you so much for joining me today.
Speaker 9 (33:21):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
To follow Camille's journey and get more inspiration. You can
find her on social.
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Media at Camille Gwatti.
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And thank you to One spont A Coconut for bringing
us this heartfelt hydration with Heart segment. To all our listeners, remember,
no matter the journey, you're not alone until next time.
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Speaker 5 (34:56):
Sam's Welcome to another Going Deep segment in the Expert
on the Microphone series. Today, we're tackling the truths and
myths surrounding menopause and perimenopause. This stage of life has
been misunderstood and overlooked for far too long, leaving many
women feeling unsupported and just misinformed.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Today we aim to change that.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
Joining us are two incredible women who are leading the
charge in their respective fields. Doctor Ashley Winter is a
Board certified urologist and sexual medicine specialist who is reshaping
the conversation around intimacy, pelvic health, and menopause and returning
contributor Lanaker, founder and CEO of Co two Lift and
Lumisk Skincare, which are pioneers of medical grade card boxy
(35:41):
therapy treatments designed to rejuvenate and empower women from head
to literal tow Together, they're going to help us demystify menopause,
address the stigma, and empower women to advocate for themselves.
Getting started now on breaking the silence, demystifying menopause, and
reclaiming our health and confidence.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Welcome to the show, Superstars. Yeah, Hi, so nice to
have you on, Ashley. It's it's an honor.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
I've been following your hage on Instagram from one mom
to another. Boy, do you ever juggle it all, keep
it real, keep it fresh, and really keep it entertaining.
Let's dive right in because this is something that has
been irking us women way too long. What's the biggest
myth or stigma you encounter about menopause and sexual health
(36:29):
and how do you address it with your patient.
Speaker 8 (36:31):
That menopause is just hot flashes and night sweats, right,
It is every single part of your body. It can
It is our bone strength, it is our cognition. It
is our energy levels, it is our weight, it is
urinary tract infections, which is something I specialize in as
a urologist. It's our intimacy, it's our ability to get lubricated.
(36:52):
It's our sexual desire, it is the quality of our skin.
It is so many things and in fact, every aspect
of our body. And it's not just about while you
are experiencing those hot flashes and night sweats and mitigating it.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
It is about saying, what.
Speaker 8 (37:11):
Do I want the entire second half of my life
to look like? And what am I gonna do to
be the most vile person I possibly can? So I
think that is the biggest myth, that it's just a
few symptoms and it's not. It's really every aspect of
our bodies.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Wow, what is it not? At that point?
Speaker 5 (37:30):
Well, that was the question I should have led off with.
And it's so interesting you touched on something important. Misinformation
and women thinking that it's just about hot flashes and
night sweats, but it goes further, over fifty percent of
postmenopausal women that are experiencing the genito urinary symptoms, yet
(37:50):
fewer than like twenty five percent seek treatment due to
embarrassment or lack of knowledge. So I'm going to ask
you one further question, Doctor Ashley, you've been a vocal
advocate for vaginal estrogen to support urinarian sexual health. Can
you explain why this treatment is often overlooked and how
it can really drastically improve quality of life for menopausal women?
Speaker 8 (38:12):
Yes, I love this question. Is my favorite topic to
discuss in the entire world. So, the vagina and the bladder,
and the urethreat and the vulva, so our labia and
our glitteress, all of that is exquisitely sensitive to hormones,
both estrogen and actually testosterone, and using ultraload dose vaginal
(38:37):
preparations of these hormones allows your body to avoid things
like your very attracted infections, overactive bladder, bladder inflammation, bladder pain,
in continence. It also is critical for maintaining your ability
to lubricate when you're interested in sex. It makes your
(38:58):
tissue plug stretchy responsive. It allows us to avoid painless sex.
So it is an incredible treatment and it is exquisitely safe.
We know with study after study on really at this
point tens of thousands of women that low doses of
(39:18):
vaginal hormones do not increase risk of breast cancer, blood clots.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
And anything like.
Speaker 8 (39:25):
It is so safe and so effective, And in terms
of why it's underutilized, there are a number of reasons.
I can tell you. One of the biggest issues is
that in the United States there is an fdaight issued
black box warning on all of these products saying that
they can increase risk of endometrial cancer, breast cancer, dementia,
(39:49):
blood clots, when the data is abundantly clear that it
does not. Right, So, how are women and their healthcare
providers going to get off get past a non evidence
based labeling that is put there by our own government entity, Right?
And because of that, it becomes extremely underutilized and women
(40:13):
suffer as a consequence.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
It's eye opening to learn that such an effective treatment
is underutilized.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
So thank you for clarifying this.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
And now studies show and I'm going to pivot to
Landa that sixty percent of women experience skin changes during menopause,
such as dryness, thinning or loss of elasticity, but many
don't know how to address these issues. So CO two
lift has been recognized for its carboxy therapy treatments. How
do these products help address skin changes, including the skin
(40:42):
down there that occur during menopause and what kind of
results can women really expect.
Speaker 11 (40:47):
We think of this analogy of this grape and a raisin,
which I like to point out. We're born this beautiful brape,
plump looking, and then we'd eventually turn into this raisin.
So fortunately we have the technology that slows it down.
It's the same thing that is happening downstairs. So blood flow,
which is very important for our glitteris because that requires
blood flow to operate optimally, it starts to splow down
(41:10):
so that can start to shrink the skin. Our vaginal
tissue is the skin is similar to what's under our eyes.
It's very thin to eventually stop to lubricate and eventually
leads to painful sext So very much like on the face,
there's a difference in terms of our formulation for the
bee in terms of the pH Why by using it
down there, women are going to experience greater pleasure as
(41:31):
from our clinical studies double bline have shown increase because
that we address clitteral atrophy, it's going to plump that area.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
It's going to make that operate more effectively.
Speaker 11 (41:41):
It's going to thicken the tissue in our vaginal tissues
so it feels like it's tighter, it feels nicer, it's
healthier tissues that women are experiencing less incontinent, less urinary
tract infections because again it balances the pH So it
had been very effective. And I'm a big advocate of hormones.
I've been taking that since I was in my mid
(42:02):
foloties and still I recognize there was still a decrease
in my sensitivity, which is why we created the CO
two left. But for women who are not necessarily open
staking hormones for whatever reason, this is also a great
option because it's going to help in a very similar
way to what vaginal estrogen, and of course is not
(42:23):
as inexpensive is doing, but even more so in other
areas because it includes blood flow. It is a biostimulator
and a bioregenerator, so it's putting your body in a
position to regenerate the tissues so it can function as
it did when we were more youthful.
Speaker 5 (42:38):
It's exciting to hear about such innovative solutions for something
so many women face. So thank you, Lana, and I
love that you're at the forefront of these technologies and
clinical verification and clinical research I know are of the
utmost important to you and your team. Now, research shows
that forty percent of women experienced low libido during menopause,
but few discuss it with their doctors do to stigma. Ashley,
(43:00):
how do you approach conversations about low libido with your
patients and what treatments or strategies do you recommend to
help them regain intimacy and connection in their relationships.
Speaker 8 (43:10):
We know that there are profound physical factors that can
really affect our libidos. So number one, low testosterone. Testosterone
is the most prevalent hormone in all human bodies, including women,
and it decreases over time, and a profound number of
women in perimenopause and menopause have low testosterone level, and
(43:34):
of course that impacts libido right, so that is something
that's incredibly critical to check and treat. There is extensive
data supporting that there's a copri in review, so that's
the most robust type of meta analysis demonstrating that basically
there's strong recommendation to treat women in menopause with low
(43:55):
sexual desire with testosterone. Okay, it is not for this
is well regarded data. And then there's also actually two
different medications that are FDA a proof for low sexual desire.
One is called flabanserin and the other is called bremelanotide.
They both work on the neurochemicals in the brain because
(44:16):
you can have a balance that goes towards inhibitory signals
in the brain, like sex inhibitory signals and not the
pro sex signals. So when I have a patient coming
into my office with low sexual desire and they say, hey,
you know, I want to be horny, I want to
(44:36):
be initiating, I want to be excited about sex. I
don't want to just be responding to the feeling that
my partner needs sex. Right, how do we get there?
So we're going to address the psychosocial component. We're going
to refer them to therapy if they need it. We're
going to check their testosterone levels and prescribe that if
they need it, and then we're going to discuss the
(44:57):
FDA proof medications for low sexual desire. There are tools
to get you horny and initiating and excited about sex,
and you deserve to feel that way.
Speaker 11 (45:08):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
I love this is great.
Speaker 5 (45:10):
So a woman will spend about one third of her
life in menopause. You alluded to this earlier, but so
many of us lack the knowledge or resources to navigate
this stage confidently. And I say that confidently because that's
the optimal word. So, Lana, you've spoken about how your
Cotwolt vaginal treatment is really designed to address vaginal health issues.
(45:31):
I know that your product supports women during menopause, but
why is it important for Why do you feel it's
important for women to feel comfortable in seeking these kind
of solutions.
Speaker 11 (45:42):
I think, well, first of all, you know, because we're
so cerebral women, you know doctor Ashley referred to this.
You know there's a component our brain. Our brain is
actually I feel for women are beg one of our
biggest sexual organs, right, So I think women need to
underst the benefits of sex to them, Like what is
(46:03):
a benefit of good as a good sexual relationship with
their partner?
Speaker 4 (46:06):
That's one.
Speaker 11 (46:07):
So they have to feel they have to understand that,
and then they have to then they have to recognize
that just because they're getting older, or just like they
seek help for their skin, they need to look at
what is happening down there and there is a solution
to the issues of aging down there, whether it be
(46:28):
in our drive and so on.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
It's really inspiring to hear about treatments like yours that
not only improve health but also boost confidence. And I
love that you took matters into your own hands and
use yourself to set precedents of what women truly want
and feel by virtue of knowing what your body was
going through, and then you applied that logic to your
formula and boom, you have such a proprietary product. I've
(46:51):
used both your products and I can attest to both
of them, both on the vaginal.
Speaker 4 (46:55):
Level and on the skincare level. Incredible.
Speaker 5 (46:59):
Now, chronic pelvic pain effects up to twenty five percent
of women, but many are unaware of the link between
pelvic floor dysfunction and menopause. Interesting, right, So, doctor Ashley, again,
this is your field of expertise. You work closely with
pelvic physical therapists. How does collaboration with these specialists benefit
(47:20):
women experiencing that chronic pelvic pain or sexual dysfunction during menopause.
Speaker 8 (47:26):
The muscles of your pelvic floor are critical for so
many things, So if they spasm, it leads to pain
with sex. If you can't tension them correctly, it can
lead to reduced orgasm sense. Like strength right, clenching those
pelvic floor muscles helps you improve your orgasm quality. If
(47:47):
they are spasming, you might have to feel like you
have to pee all the time. You're not gonna want
to have sex. If you feel like you're going to
lose urine right during sexual activity, it can lead to
pain after sex or you organism in both men and women,
So these muscles like the vagina, bladder, urethra, clitoris, and vulva,
(48:09):
these muscles are also very sensitive to hormones, so you
can have direct changes to the muscle function when your
testosterone level goes down in both men and women, and
when your estrogen level goes down. But on top of that,
if your tissue right is affected from menopause, if you
(48:32):
are dry, if you cannot lubricate, if the vaginal lining
does not stretch the way it's supposed to, then you
develop a response to that negative sexual experience where you
tend your muscles right, so it's all connected. It can
be the initiator or or the outcome of sexual dysfunction.
(48:58):
In terms of how I approach this, I I'm in
the pulvic floor on any patient of mine who I
think it's appropriate, I refer to public floor physical therapy.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
All the time.
Speaker 8 (49:08):
And then there are often interventions that we do, such
as injecting things like botox into the pelvic floor that
can be really helpful for people who are experiencing muscle pasm, spasm,
or pain with sex. And oftentimes I'll do that in
consultation with a public floor physical therapist who says, I
noticed on exam there's a point of tension in this
specific area. We're going to target it right. Just the
(49:29):
same way somebody with headaches can benefit from botox in
certain muscles around their forehead, we can help people with
sexual pain who have tension in certain muscles of their publice.
Speaker 5 (49:43):
Boy, you got a lot of stuff in that toolbox
of yours, so Landau, in the line of work that
you do, how do you help debunk the stigma surrounding
about our skin down there, and what's the most common
misconception about it, specifically during menopause.
Speaker 11 (50:00):
Just by I think conversation, just open conversations with no
kind of laughing about it, not making fun of it.
You know, at first when we started before there are
people like Ashley who wish I love talking about this subject.
You know, when I was in my forties, I didn't
really see anyone having that conversation. When we started it,
we would put a lot of humor too it because
(50:21):
women were very uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
Now I've changed that. We're just talking straight.
Speaker 11 (50:24):
Just like we would talk about skincare on our face,
we talk about aging on our knees. You know, it's
almost like we jumped past our middle section, went to
the knees and forgot about our volva and vagina. So conversations,
I think talking about the fact that this is just
a normal part of aging that now we have a
solution for is going to help women to feel open
about having those conversations. That's one of the biggest things
(50:47):
I think that we do as a company. Also using
my own example, you know, I tend to lead by example.
In fact, even we talked about you know, as she
was talking about muscles, I did the vaginal plasty, not
that I needed it right now, because I wanted to
know what women experience when they're going to go well
with the benefit of doing that for myself, using myself
an example, being very honest and candidable, my own experience
(51:10):
has helped open up the conversations for many other women.
Speaker 4 (51:14):
Well, thank you both.
Speaker 5 (51:15):
We are at the end of our date, my friends.
I thank you both for coming on. It was such
an incredible and really inspiring and transparent conversation.
Speaker 4 (51:23):
Thank you, thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 5 (51:25):
Now for more information, you can follow doctor Winter on
the Gram at Ashley G. Winter and explore Lana Kurs
products at co two lift dot com. Remember, the journey
through menopause is not something you have to face alone.
Knowledge and self advocacy are your greatest tools. You're listening
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