Gazelle Sharmahd; Anna Devere; Beth Lauren; Danielle Macaluso; Katrina Fahey

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our Trailblazer segment, brought to youby Fintech TV, we delve into a
horror story of courage, resilience,and the stark reality faced by Iranian dissidents.
Today we have with us Giselle Charmad, human rights activists, co host

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of the Warren Freedom Podcast and thedaughter of German American journalist Jimmy Sharmad,
who has been kidnapped by the Islamicregime since twenty twenty and currently still held
prisoner. Stay tuned for Jazelle.She's coming up next. This is one
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from nine to two seven to ten, WAR the Voice of New York Welcome
back, beautiful Tri State Area.You're listening to a moment of Zen right
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host, Zen. Sam's up next. In our Trailblazer segment, brought to

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you by Fintech TV, we delveinto a horring story of courage, resilience,
and the stark reality faced by Iraniandissidents. Today, we're joined by
Jiselle Charmad, human rights activist,co host of the War and Freedom podcast,
and the daughter of German American journalistJimmy Charmad, who has been kidnapped

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by the Islamic regime since twenty twenty. He's currently still held prisoner in Iran.
Through her family's ordeal, Gizelle wouldthrough her family's ordeal, Jizelle is
going to shed light on the systemicabuses and targeted attacks that activists and their
families endure. We're going to explorethe phases of persecution, from character assassination,

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to direct through es, and finallyto abduction and sentencing. This narrative
is not just about one family,but reflects a broader, disturbing pattern of
human rights violations by the Iranian government. Giselle's story brings to the forefront critical
questions about the role of governments worldwidein protecting their citizens. Join us now
as we uncover the truth behind theseinjustices and discuss what needs to be done

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to ensure the safety and protection ofthose fighting for freedom and justice. Joining
me now to the show is GiselleCharmaud. Welcome to the show, Superstar.
Bena is great to be in.Wow. Okay, So let's dive
right in. Can you tell usabout your father and his background and what

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led to his involvement in activism thatput him at risk. My dad,
Jimmy, was born in Iran,but he was raised in Germany and the
last two decades we spent in America, so he had a life in Western
countries. He had all of hisrereadoms, but he never stopped to look
back at the people of Iran andrealizing just because they were unlucky and they

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couldn't flee after the Islamic regime tookover the country and made it into the
dictatorship and terrorized the people, justbecause they were not able to flee doesn't
mean that he has to forget aboutthem. So there was always an internal
drive to help the people Iran andget them more freedom and get their voices
out. So that's how he startedhis way into activism. Now let's talk

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about targeting dissidents abroad. So theIranian regime has a documented history of targeting
dissidents abroad. A twenty twenty onereport by the US State Department highlighted several
instances where Iranian intelligence services attempted orcarried out attacks on dissidents living in Europe
and North America, and according toAmnesty International, Iran has a long history

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of human rights abuses, including arbitrarydetention, torture, and executions. In
twenty alone, at least two hundredand seventy five people were executed, making
you around one of the top executionersin the world. Now, let's talk
about character assassination and allegations. Yourfather was accused of being a spy from

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Masad Cia and having links to theIRGC. How do these allegations affect him
personally and professionally. It's a patternbecause my dad knew about the character assassination,
how they come forward. She triedto not get too much riled up
about like all of these accusations,But it affects you. It affects you,
of course, because people who gointo human rights, people who become

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act this are such novel people.They put away their work, they put
away their family, They dedicate theirlives to a cause bigger than themselves,
and trying to destroy their image andwhat they stand for takes a lot of
effort. By these terrorists machines,So they try to benefy their opponents.
Make them into as you said,spies, make them into murderers, make

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them into terrorists, make them intoanything that you can think of that as
bad for the word for two reasons. One, they want to create out.
When you create out about a person, people will not listen to that
person, and that person will bediscouraged from continuing to be loud and outspoken.
Two, the day they come andtake you through kidnapping or assassination,

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they don't want a major backlash.They don't want people to stand up and
defend that person. They want peopleto think, well, was this person
really a good person? Do Ireally have to stand up for the person?
I heard this rumor, I heardthis allegation, I heard this accusation,
and that's how they get you onThree. Actually, here's a third
point in the case of the Islamicregime. They take you to a court

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quote unquote court court over there,and that gives Western governments the excuse to
not interfere because they look at thatat these shamtras and they say, well,
this is a court, there isa judge, there is a hearing,
this person was probably guilty of somethingthat there are in court right now,
And that's how they brain wash peopleand governments and prevent them from helping

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you. Terrible and which chat politicalprisoners. So there are thousands of political
prisoners in Iran, including journalists andactivists and dissonans and your father, and
Human Rights Watch reports that these individualsoften face unfair trials, lack access to
legal representation, and are subjected toharsh prison conditions. So the government's response

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to your father's allegations, So whenthese allegations surfaced, what support, if
any, did your father receive fromthe US government to counter these coins from
the US government, there were noreports whatsoever, nothing in the last three
years. The first time they saidsomething about my father publicly, they said,

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it is horrific that he was takingeverything is it's a sham trial.
But he's also a German citizen,so they were passing the responsibility all to
Germany. So that's the problem whenyou have two nationalities. When we grew
up in Germany and we're living inthe US, they playing this responsibility ping

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pong with each other. Nobody istaking responsibility, nobody is doing something to
get it out and nobody is evenacknowledging that their citizen, that their national
has been chipnapped in front of theeyes of the world. And if we
don't acknowledge that, that gives theterrorists wishing the okay to continue that that
will place all of us in danger, because what does that mean. You

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can just pick up a journalist anywhereof the world and take them to Iran,
put them in a sham trial,torture him and no response comes that
we continue doing that, and thatis a major threat to all. So
let's talk threats and intimidation. Canyou describe the types of threats your father
received and how they escalated over timeand how did these threats impact their family.

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The first threats started when my dad'swebsite. He had a website back
in early two thousands where people frominside of Iran to speak three D.
You know, everything is censored insideof Iran. So when he was doing
that, if he and his partnerwere their faces were shown on national TV
in Iran Villa side made into theenemy number one and then the threats began,

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threads to their life, threads toour lives as his family up until
two thousand and nine when they sentassassins two Los Angeles to our door to
murder us, and thankfully to theFBI and to the offices here, it
was foiled. The person the assassinwent to jail for a year, but
it never stopped, you know,for a year, for a year,

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for a year, until what webelieved was at prisoner exchange. He was
given permission to go back to Iranto visit his father for some reason,
and a hostage that was held inYran who's American, came back to the
US. There's still not admitting thatit was a prisoner exchange, but we
believe that that's what happened to theassassin of my father. I mean,

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you are never safe. You haveconstant threats. You have constant threats to
your family back in Yran, becausemost of us still have family back there
and they're taken into custody and putpressure on them for you to be quiet,
for you to stop your advocacy withme. It's the same thing now
that I'm advocating for my father,for political prisoners and for hostages, I'm

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not safe to travel, I'm notsafe to go anywhere that I want because
I become a charge. Now,let's talk about protection against threats and being
a target. What measures did yourfather take, if any, to protect
himself and his family. Did hereceive any assistance from government agencies. Well,

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when the assassin came over here tomurder my father, there are,
of course the authorities that police,the FBI were involved. But if you
think that we get any special protectioneven though they see that we are targets
of assassination, targets of transnational repressionthat does not happen, that does not
happen. We're told to be morequiet. We're told to stop advocacy.

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We're told some journalists are told togo into witness protection. That means changing
your identity, going underground, stoppingwhat you're doing. And it is so
important for us to be out thereand to be louder to be protected.
So telling activists shut up or you'renot protected is actually emboldening the oppressure over

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there that also wants to do that. So I don't have protection when not
traveling. It affects your life,Yeah, it sure does. So.
With shout abduction and government response,can you detail the events leading to your
father's abduction. What was the immediateresponse from the US government once he was
taken and my dad went on abusiness trip. He is a software engineer.

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He was traveling during the pandemic.Unfortune like when he traveled, the
pandemic hit and he was trying togo to India and back. He had
a flight overlay. What usually happenedduring the pandemic was that the flight were
canceled re routed, So he hada flight over lay in Dubai and called
my mother from his hotel room.That was the last time that we knew

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he was okay. We saw himin his hotel room. We had a
Google tracker on him, you know, like the Google maps where you can
see where the other person is.And my mom was able to see that
his Google tracker is moving, buthe stopped responding to her messages anywhere.
Within the next day, she wasseeing that he was moving into a wrong
direction. He was moving from Dubaiover to the border of Oman and then

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from there to the coast of Oman, and the tracker broke off. At
that moment, she got a messagefrom my dad's call saying I'm okay.
That was most likely the kidnappers messagingher. My dad would not just say
I'm okay. After she's so worried. And the very next day we saw
him on state media in Iran wherethey blindfolded the signs of torturing spaces.

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Why he's confessing to so many crimesthat he did not commit And el was
the moment when we woke up andwe knew they got my dad, they
had my dad. We did notknow if she's alive, if they have
executed him yet what happened to himwhere she is nothing, just that the
enemy has my father and direction ofour governments with nothing. All the way

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from here to Japan. In themedia, the media picked up the narrative
of the Islamic regime, reporting thata terrorist, dring leader or spy or
whatnot was arrested in Iran. Andwe were screaming from the end of our
lines saying, he's not a terrorist, region ringleader or spy or anything.
He's an activist and a journalist andhe was not arrested in Iran. He

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was kidnapped and taken there. Andit took us month months then to show
oh to the world, to thejournalists and everybody who was repeating this propaganda,
what has really happened? And theyfullythey changed after some time, but
nobody cares if a terrorist or aspy it gets arrested somewhere. Of course,
there was not a coerson. Nobodywas worried about that because they changed

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the narrative. And that is sopowerful when they do that. When was
the last proof of life or signthat your father is okay that you had
the last time she had a phonecall with my mother's usually not allowed to
talk to me, but only tomy mother, who is after October seventh

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of this year, of last year, the last of twenty twenty three.
October seventh of twenty twenty three.Now your father has officially been sentenced to
death by hanging. Is that accurate? Yes, if you can call it
a sentence. Yes, there areno judges, there is no real court,
there is no real spies against him. But they have said that he

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is sentenced to death by hanging fromUkraine in public. Why do they do
that publicly? To tell all ofthe other dissidents, all of the other
freedom fighters, This is what canhappen to tell us outside of the country.
Look, it doesn't matter if you'reAmerican, it doesn't matter if you're
European. We can pick you up. We can bring you here, we
can hang you to death, andyour governments will do nothing to help you.

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Wow, this is absolutely horrific.I am sorry you are going through
this. I can't imagine what you'refeeling. But you are strong and you
are going to fight for your dad, and I know you're doing it.
I see you all over social media, and I'm very, very proud to

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have you on today now called Actionand Hope for the future. What do
you believe needs to change in termsof government responses and international cooperation to prevent
such tragedies in the future. Andwhat can the public do to support your
father's cars for my father's cause.The most important thing is what you're doing.
Visibility in the media and social mediagives people over there, gives my

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dad immunity. When the regime knowspeople here, people know his name,
people support my voice, and Ican go and be loud for him.
They hesitate with the execution, theyhesitate doing something to him. So it
is life saving what your journalists aredoing and what fatherers are doing. Please
follow me on my social media andfor in general. The Islamic regime has

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a business model of hostage taking.For the last forty five years the same
model that Hamas and his Bola arecopying. This business model needs to be
stopped, and the way we stopthat is if we create a global task
force. All of these countries thathave hostages in Iran, in Gaza,
in everywhere need to come together andaddress this head on. We cannot stop

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talking about the hostage problem until itis so. And until then, I
want everybody to be out and talkto her that was represented and asked,
why hasn't this national be brought home? Who is talking about Jimmy Steimat,
What are you doing to say?And why haven't you done anything? We
are officially out of time, mydear, but I thank you so much

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for coming on being transparent. Wewill continue to get your story out there
and share it with other outlets.I will continue to pray for your dad's
safe return, and you must remainhopeful. I will always think too.
We are left with a profound understandingof the perilous journey faced by Iranian dissidents

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and their families. Giselle and Jimmy'sstory is a poignant reminder of the sacrifices
made in the fight for freedom andhuman rights. The systemic persecution by the
Iranian regime, as detailed through Jiselle'sexperiences, underscores the urgent need for stronger
international protection and responses. It's acall to action for governments, human rights

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organizations, and individuals worldwide to standin solidarity with those who risk everything for
justice. Thank you, Jiselle forsharing your father's story and your unwavering result,
and thank you to our viewers forjoining us in this vital conversation.
Together, we must continue to advocatefor those voices that are silenced and work
tirelessly towards a world where justice andhuman dignity prevail. That was our Trailblazer

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segment, brought to you by FintechTV, and that was the incredible Giselle
Charmad. You can check her outdirectly on Instagram and follow her at free
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up next in the Discover Your Potentialsegment brought to you by Smart Pet Talk.
Today, we're joined by contributor,podcaster and host Anna Devere and she
is joined by Beth Lauren, founderof the well Tech World Summit, where
attendees can experience an array of informativeand collaborative events, including panels, keynotes,
and video presentations featuring leaders in femtech, health, tech, nutrition,

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mental health, and even more.Bette's interests in the intersection of wellness and
technology peaked when the COVID lockdown altersher current venture. She clearly was not
alone in her interests after over nineteenhundred people virtually attended the first ever well
Tech World Summit, and that wasback in twenty twenty three. Today,
she's going to join me with Adatto chat about the future of the wellness

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industry, the importance of self care, and her wealth Tech World Summit.
Welcome to the show, my dearfriends. Thank you, Beth, so
excited to have you on. Let'sdive right in now. The US wellness
industry is valued at one point eighttrillion dollars and that's according to the Global
Wellness Institute most recent data from Aprilof twenty twenty four. And to go

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even further, the US ranks numberone out of nine of eleven wellness sectors,
and the GWY measures the overall wellnesseconomy at five point six trillion dollars.
So clearly the US wallnesce industry isbooming. Yet more people than ever
seem to suffer from some more physicaland some form of mental and health disalignment

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today, if you will, So, how does your Well Tech World Summit
figure into the solution to this problem? Yeah, well, sen, thanks
for having me, and the GWYis my bible for all those stats.
So, the global economy is fivepoint six trillion, so you would think
we'd all be pretty well. Butas you mentioned, you know, there's
we have a massive global obesity epigemic. We have a global mental health issue,

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especially for younger adults. So forthe Well Tech World Summit, like
my gift was to curate these incrediblepeople Like we have speakers and panels and
information that will offer really practical,usable information for entrepreneurs, ways to make
themselves well, ways to make theiremployees well. You know, everything from

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how to get proper sleep, howto not burn out, which is a
common issue with entrepreneurs, how totake care of their mental health, how
to take care of their families,and all of this is using the latest
in technology, you know at thatintersection of wellness intech. Wow, you
have a lot going on, andI know and I know not only is

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this benefiting attendees overall wellness, butit's a great event for building connections that
I know many came out I cameout of last year's summit with new event
partnerships, and I think the goalof it all is all about harvesting community
product collaborations or even guesting on eachother's podcast. So I think that's really
interesting. So you've definitely created thisgreat environment of like minded people where these

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professional relationships can form and really harvest. Now I know Anna has some questions,
so I'll add that off to you, my girl. Well, thank
you. You know that this sumit sounds really exciting, and it sounds
like it's aimed particularly at business ownersin the wellness space, but is it
also aimed at would be entrepreneurs?Like, if someone is interested in a
career change in this field, whatwould your sum have to offer? Yeah,

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excellent point. Last year when nineteenhundred people joined us online, it
was the first year and we weren'tsort of who were audience with, and
so we really looked at the dataand it was really a business to business
event, really aimed at entrepreneurs.But in this country alone, there are
thirty one million entrepreneurs, which issixteen percent of the US adult workforce,

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so that's a lot. So definitelythis event is for founders, but also
it's for budding founders, I think, you know, obviously with those kinds
of numbers, you see, we'rereally an entrepreneurial culture, and the wellness
business is a perfect place to startthat journey. There's you know, so
many opportunities supplements, wearables, skincare, lines, athletic where like, whatever

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your passion or your personal interest oryour skill set, there's a way to
get into this the wellness economy,you know. I think also it's offering
opportunities for they need that hasn't beenmet. For example, last year,
we had this incredible menopause panel,which we're going to have again, and
this year we're going to add andropause, which is malibanum pause if people don't

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know, which is a real thing. It's not just a punchline, and
you know, we are. Thepanel was comprised of women from Ireland,
Sweden, the US, and theyall had created these incredible platforms and apps
and podcasts and walk in centers andthey're providing information and opportunities education for perimenopausal

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women and menopausal women that just didn'texist in their communities, and they've grown
their business is one of them.They have a platform that just raised three
million dollars, So clearly this wasa need that needed to be met.
So I think there's so much opportunityout there in this industry. You're definitely
fulfilling a market. Now, theintersection of wellness and tech is an interesting

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one, but you are absolutely rightto express an interest in this as the
rise of new technological innovations offering newopportunities and advancements in various industries, right,
not just wellness, and this isonly just the beginning. However,
many people fear some of these technologicaladvancements in factors. Actually a term for
this call called technophobia, and thisfear typically arises for various reasons, whether

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it be for privacy concerns and alarmfor making the human workforce oupsolete, or
even just a general aversion to change. But I'd love to hear your thoughts
on how the world of wellness andtechnology merge and in your opinion, what
are some of the ways that technologiesdemocratizing the wellness world. Yeah, it's

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really about accessibility and affordability. Imean, you know, you can go
on platforms I won't get you know, free press too, but that where
you can do anything. You cantake a yoga class for free. You
can learn the proper use of akettlebell. You can, you know,
learn about modalities you were heard aboutbut you didn't know about by using the
internet. A lot of it's affordable, most of it's free, and you

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instead of it being this aspirational thingwhere like ough gyms are so expensive,
or equipments so expensive, or peoplelook at body types and images of famous
pece people and think it's not attainablefor them. I think that technology has
changed that. I mean even ifyou look at you know, wearables,
you know things that track you know, your blood pressure and your steps,

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all of that, all of thoseoptions are so affordable now you don't have
to get the top of the linemodel. You can get one that works
for you that's affordable. So definitely, the tech is creating opportunities for everyone
to really get well and to doit incrementally. You know, you don't
to do everything at once and completely. You can freak yourself out about the
tech. You can choose the thingthat's most important to you or that appeals

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to you most, and just start. Start with a wearable Start with an
online yoga class, you know,just you know, let it meet where
you're at. Hmmeno vice. Thatis great advice, But sometimes, Beth,
I think that we al suffer frominformation overload in this space. Do
you have any advice for consumers onhow to become more educated to be an
advocate for their own self care?I am here, you, I am

(33:00):
just just in the last few weeks, just eighteen different opinions on even like
ocembic and whether it's healthy or not. And so that's you know, everything
from ozepic to number of hours youshould sleep to whether we need collagen every
day. So I think really tocut through the noise, you know,
find a practitioner or a medical youknow, a physician, someone who's in

(33:23):
the zeitgeist, who really speaks toyou in what they're saying, resonates with
you. And then look up theircredentials and you know, see whose podcasts
they're on. If they're consistently beingbooked at top rated podcasts or podcasts of
people that you trust, that's thereason those podcasters have a vested interest in
bringing you real information, truthful information. So just just you know, you

(33:49):
can follow along that way, andthat really helps you to cut through the
noise. Just you know, bebe be a smart consumer the way you
might read a food label. Justyou know, that's the way you should
get the information you're getting online.Well, it's clear you do dedicate an
extensive amount of time and effort towardsbettering others, if you will, and
their self care and wellness efforts.But looking towards yourself, I know you've

(34:13):
been open about battling PTSD as aresult of surviving a violent childhood assault,
and now as an entrepreneur constantly workingto help others, do you find it
challenging to maintain balance between running abusiness and your own self care? I
mean, I know it's probably easyto get swept up in the work.
Yeah, excellent in question, andthank you, zen. I try to
practice what I preach, but Iam human and I fall down weekly.

(34:37):
It's hard to do balance, especiallybecause the event is in London and I'm
kind of I'm in New York andI'm kind of working into different time zones.
But I you know, I'm studentsto buy a beda and you know,
in basic terms, it's really anIndian medicine that's been around for like
five thousand years, and it's atech. It's actually a technology that works

(34:57):
in harmony with your individual body constitutionand with the seasons. And it's a
much deeper dive, but that's kindof basic constructive. I EVETA and I
try to use employee ABTA supplements thathelp me distress and help me with my
sleep. I try to be consistentin my routines, really dedicated to my

(35:19):
meditation practice. So all those thingsreally kind of get my day set off
and help me to kind of daylines. But you know, a meeting
comes up that runs long, oryou know you have to do something early
in the morning or eating on therun. It's like, I'm a perfect
but I think the most important thingis setting up a good morning routine because
that sets you up for the dayand then really kind of paying attention to

(35:43):
your body and listening to what itneeds. You're such a wealth of information.
Yes, And I can see you'reagreeing. Yeah, right, I
know. I still I didn't wantto talk over you, but I love
what you're saying. Bets. It'sabsolutely crucial that you always make time for
yourself, and it makes me thinkof a quote by author and thought leader
Brian McGill, and that's taking careof yourself is the most powerful way to

(36:05):
begin to take care of others,because you have to start with yourself,
with yourself, or you'll have nothingleft to give. And it's clear that's
exactly what you've done, so welldone, So whe don't your percent?
I mean, I think that's almosta new concept for us. I think
for cultural reasons or societal reasons,we're always like, you know, be
selfless, take care of other people, and we're finally realizing that that's why

(36:27):
we're all burned out, Like weneed to really like prioritize our own health
or we're not going to be goodfor anybody else. We have one minute
left. So as far as discoveryour potential takeaways, what inspires you to
do what you do and why areyou hopeful for the future. Yeah,
I think I'm really inspired by whathappened last year that nineteen hundred people stood

(36:52):
up online and we're really excited.And I did surveys afterwards. People loved
it, and so many people andyou reference the before, like people that
were on panels exactly what I wantedhappened. They collaborated, they were on
each other's spots, So people areworking on products together, and I really
feel like dialogue and making sure thatpeople building the tech and the people that

(37:13):
are in the wellness space are talkingto each other and that have opportunities to
offer advice and collaborate and help eachother's scale businesses. I think if the
if COVID taught us anything, Ithink it's like we're in this together,
mental, physical, spiritual health.I just want to mention. So the
event is live on November nineteenth inLondon. It's a whole day of panels

(37:36):
in chigang and yoga and healthy food. And if people go to well Tech
World Summit dot com and sign upfor the mailing list, early bird tickets
go on sale on June seventh,and if you're on a mailing list,
you'll be the first to know andthe early bird tickets if you're really nice
to scount. Wow, Well thatsays it all. We are officially out

(37:59):
of time, and I don't knowif you have any closing thoughts, but
I sure sure feel fulfilled. Thankyou so much for being transparent and really
laying the land down the way thatpeople should really truly be receiving it,
because it's no easy feat to beable to accumulate and speak to the amount
of people you do within a summitand then have positive feedback for returning at

(38:22):
Tendeezier after year. You're definitely speakingto them and evoking some level of emotion.
Thank you, thank you, thankyou for this opportunity. It's great
great, Thank you San and thankyou Anna. Yep are my pleasure.
That was Discover Your Potential segment broughtto you by Smart pet Talk and that
was the incredible Bethloor and founder ofthe well Tech World Summit. Definitely be

(38:44):
sure to check it out and stayup to date online at Welltechworldsummit dot com
and on the ground at well TechWorld Summit, and of course to see
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at Kathy Ireland Worldwide. Today,we're featuring Katrina Fay, author of Beauty
Is Bone Deep, which is availableon Amazon. She's a pioneer blending psychology
and orofacial myology to revolutionize craniofacial functionalmedicine as an educator, author, and

(40:16):
podcast host of Nurturing Healthy Faces.She dives into respiratory health, sleep science,
and facial development, sharing insights fromglobal experts. With over a decade
of research, Katrina offers a holisticview on human vitality, combining neuropsychology with
craniofacial expertise. When she's not advancingher field, she's exploring the world with

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her husband and her three awesome kiddos. She joins me today to chat about
why you should not use braces ongrowing children. Welcoming now to the show
is the trail blazing Katrina Bay Welcome, superstar Buys and Sam. It's fabulous
to be on your show today.I'm so glad that I'm here. Oh

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so excited, Dirk in So,Katrina, can you explain why it's important
to using visiline for expansion rather thanto close gaps between teeth and why it's
fullding off on breezes of entire orentirely avoiding them is the healthiest option.
This is a great question because itreally takes you to the underlie the ninny

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gritty of the issue is how dowe look at the face and the issue
that creates the overlapping teeth that peoplewant to correct within visiline is actually that
the creative facial structure, the humanjaws, which is two thirds of the
face, hasn't grown to its fullsize due to lifestyle reasons. And when

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you turn up at the orthodontis's office, it really comes down to their paradigm.
If they believe that your genetics andyour DNA created that problem, they're
going to try to either extract teethto create space to then straighten the teeth
in a straight line, but pullthe teeth in. But if the orthodontist

(42:04):
has additional training, they will understandthat actually the face needs to be encouraged
to grow to its maximum size toallow the jaws the space to house teeth
in a straight line. So wehave this cultural ideal that gaps between the
teeth are undesirable, but actually thegaps represent a fully developed jaw, and

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if you're going to try to closethose gaps with retraction orthodontics, you do
risk then reducing the size of thejaw and the upper airway because the mouth
roof and the top jaw are rightbeneath the floor of the nasal cavity,
So anything that's going to draw thatin and that will push the tongue back

(42:51):
into the throat because the oral cavityis reduced, but also risk minimizing the
space within the upper airway of thenasal cavity. So we want to expand
so well. Interestingly enough, whenI was researching perhaps using braces for my
eight and a half year old daughter, I came across studies and they showed

(43:13):
that reducing to your point, jossizedto close gaps does impair airway volume and
facial appearance. And a twenty nineteenstudy found that proper use of invisiline for
expansion did in fact help to createthe necessary space for teeth alignment without compromising
airway help. And that was aBioMed central study from Smile Experience Orthodontics.

(43:34):
It's verifiable on the internet. Soyou're one hundred percent right now, what
are the potential long term effects ona child's airway and facial structure if braces
are used improperly? So the issuewith going straight into braces at say aged
eight or nine is that because thejaws are more narrow than they should be
at that age, and that's creatingthe crooked tape the mouth roof actually isn't

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as wide and forward grow as itshould be, and so it's a high
vaulted palette. We call it aV shaped palette where rather than being flat
and broad, it's actually going upand encroaching on the upper airway from beneath.
It's also known as an ogival palettein scientific papers. Now, this

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will be impacting the airflow they arecapable of through the nose. And if
you're only doing braces or in visilline to shift teeth into a new position,
the teeth I've either need to beflaring out to get them into a
straight line, because you haven't actuallywidened the jaw. You're just trying to
push those teeth out so that theycan create a straight line at the bottom.

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And when we look at these faces, we typically can see that they've
had orthodontic work because it doesn't createa natural result. You're getting the flat
teeth, the face is quite narrow, but there's this toothy smile. So
what we want to do is weara device in the roof of the mouth
that, gradually, through constant andpressure applied to the mouth roof with the
widening of a key, develop thepalatine bones. So that the mouth roof

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comes down flat and wide. Andbecause the mouthroof is the same structure as
the floor of the nasal cavity,you are now improving airflow. You are
improving the aesthetics of the face becausethe top jaw is the maxilla bone,
the beauty bone. It contains theeye sockets, the nasal bridge, cheekbones,

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mouthroof, and top dentician. Whenthis is forward and large like a
supermodel, then this is a healthyface. This is a face with room
for the tongue to sit forward awayfrom the throat suctioned on the mouth roof,
and a face that can oxygenate theblood properly with a healthy airway.
So what you're so as a mom, I'm understanding this. What you're really

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seeing is that the improper use oforthodontic devises such as breezes, to which
then reduced jos size, significantly reducethe airway dimensions. But this is particularly
concerning for me as a mom,because as you know, if you narrow
airway, this is going to leadto some kind of chronic respiratory issue without

(46:14):
a doubt going forward. So thisis getting me a little bit on edge
to proceed with getting braces from mydaughter, but I'd love to know more.
So how does job growth and childrendiffer from adults, because there's you
know, we do see adults gettingbraces and why should this impact the orthodotic
decision. Well, they used tobelieve they couldn't expand adults because the suit

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shub on the midline of the palatalbones on the mouth roof had fused and
adults have reached skeletal maturity, soif anything, you'd be tipping the teeth.
But this has been debunked and thetools for adults have been improved where
they only hang out to the mouthroof and they don't look onto teeth at
all, so there's no barrier foradults to do this. But the similarity

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for both adults and kids who arestill growing is that you don't want to
jump straight into braces because when youdo that and just shift teeth slightly,
you've ignored that high V shaped palette. That's signaling you have a narrower airway
than your maximum And so adults andadolescents or kids should be expanding their jaws

(47:29):
and if the teeth are still rogueand doing strange things at that point,
or there's a really big gap peopledon't like that can be corrected with bracets,
But it's not necessarily always the braceslater that are the problem. It's
the fixed retainer that uthodontis glue ontothe teeth for young kids and adolescents that

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prevents the jaws from continuing to growbecause they are locked in place by that
retainer, which you were supposed tobe wearing for the rest of your life.
And so how do the jaws growwhen the dental arch has been locked
in place at the age of tenor twelve, it has to divert its
growth pattern, either long and narrowor flat and wide. But either way

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it's not resembling the individual's genetic potentialand it may not have allowed the airway
to get to its maximal size.That's a lot. Now, can you
elibrate on the relationship between facial structureand some of the more chronic health conditions
that we're seeing or we have beingmindful of four minutes left? So many

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people today believe that, you know, supermodels are genetically blessed and idolized,
but actually they are developmentally blessed.They have really large jaws and an ability
to oxygenate well. Most people shouldlook this way. They should have broad
midfaces, which signifies a healthy airway. That because we look around and once
you hear this information, you noticeit every way people go. I can't

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stop looking at others, Maxilla,I'm noticing it all the time that people
have they do. They have aflat or narrow midface, and this is
especially through midlife to older age.The face caves in and it takes the
airway with it. If you havea flat midface that never grow forward or
it is too narrow, you willhave difficulty rest breeding through the nose.
Now, that is the body's keyway to oxygenate properly. If we rely

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on mouth breathing because we have airhunger through the upper airway of the nose,
we are in oxidative stress because themouth does not draw in nitric oxide,
which is our vaso dilator, whichactually opens up the circulatory system allowing
blood flow to carry very efficiently.Instead, arteries are tight. Our heart

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has to speed up because it's tryingto carry oxygen through tight veanes, but
it never drew in its enough oxygenbecause when we mouth breathe, it's thoracic
and only to the top of thechest. It's not deep and difraumatic like
nasal breathing. And because it's arapid style of breathing, the gas exchange
between oxygen intake and carbon dioxide outputis messed up, and so people are

(50:08):
in obstave stress and they can't turnoff their central nervous system's sympathetic overdrive,
and so this creates inflammation, accumulationof free radicals, and literally speeds up
the aging process. So it's sokey to getting your health in order.
It's not just all about diet andexercise. Airway is playing a huge role

(50:31):
in people's depression, anxiety, slip, quality, weight gain. It's permeating
basically every aspect of their life emotionallyas well. So it's been overlooked in
healthcare, and we're just opening oureyes now looking at all the scientific papers
and saying how in this. Yeah, I mean, it seems like this

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is a major issue because you know, the implications of wearing these rotiners daily
for a child's job growth seems tobe really scary. I mean, you
know, I know people that havebeen using retainers on their children since the
child was you know, six sevenyears old. I feel like this is

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so ill ill advised and misguided afterlistening to you speak. But you know,
anything that inhibits natural job growth bymaintaining the teeth in a fixed position
feels very counter productive to me asa mom. And when you talk about
this leading to altered facial growth patternsand potentially can cause issues with the TMJ

(51:37):
right and overall dental health, thismakes you want to stop and really look
at all of the other options thatfeel less invasive than braces. Now,
how can these improper orthodontic treatments ifyou will affect a child's breathing pattern and

(51:57):
overall health, But specifically children,are we looking at sleep appnear disorders?
What should we be looking for andshould we equate it to the devices in
their mouth? So the problem withthe traditional orthodontic model that just puts kids
straight into braces and then a retaineris that it didn't investigate the breathing style
and the slip quality of the child. So many children coming in with overlapping

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teeth are already mouth breathing, whichmeans their tongue has taken a low position
in the jaw. It's not suctionedon the palette where it would keep the
maxilla wide supporting nasal breathing. Instead, it is low, allowing the jaws
to keep caving in. So ifyou tinker with teeth and then hold them
in place with a fixed retainer,the poor breathing continues, and they have

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to wear the retainer because if theytake it off, the teeth will just
shift back into odd positions because theydidn't do the mindfunctional therapy that trains the
child to put their tongue high onthe palette and keep the jaws held forward
and broad. But children can't oftendo that until they get the airway repaired,
and without expansion, they actually can'timprove airflow nasally that would allow them

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to put the tongue on the palate, because if you can't breathe nasally,
you will breathe orally otherwise you'll die. Right, So, there's this misunderstanding
about how the muscles are governing breathingand sleep and where our teeth and jawels
are placed, and that's missing fromyour standard dental orthodontic curriculums. And parents,

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I feel for them because they thinkthey're doing the best for their child.
They're taking the advice of someone withqualifications, not knowing that. Had
they walked into the office of thatother orthodontist who was looking at it completely
differently, saying we need to supportairway growth and facial development first, they
would have had a completely different outcomeand their child would be flourishing. But

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parents do not understand. We havea bipolar orthodontic system at present, where
there are two conflicting ways of lookingat facial health, one based in science
and the old model not supported byscience. When they started pulling people's teeth
out and say, oh, well, your teeth are crooked because you inherited
that problem. That's not founded inscience. There's no science to support that.

(54:14):
And what are they about? Lessthan a minute left? But what
are the benefits? So I knowthere must be many after listening to you
speak, But the benefits of earlyintervention with orthodontic treatments like palette expanders versus
the latter. It sets your childon a pathway of normal learning and development,
a balanced nervous system where they're gettingenough oxygen, their sleep is quality

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each night, You're able to learnand socialize well. Even their spinal column
is straight up because once their tongueis raised in the jaw and not hanging
like this. They actually coordinate theirbody better. They become more athletic.
Children would do my functional therapy actuallystart to coordinate themselves, They have more
confidence, their energy levels are higher, they can concentrate. Symptoms of eighty

(55:02):
h day start to decline. Thereare childhood disorders that actually can be reversed
or prevented by spanning the jewels andsupporting healthy airway. So simple and the
and the answer has literally been rightunder our nose the entire time. Okay,
and well we are out of time. I had such an incredible time

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talking with you today. I learnedso much, and that's what's important for
me. Will I learn something afterspeaking with our experts? And the answer
was yes. And now this isgoing to help me make a very informed
decision for Alexa with respect to howI'm going to treat her misaligned teeth.
So I thank you. That's wonderful, my pleasure. Early intervention with devices

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like palette expanders can definitely guide properjob growth and prevent severe dental issues,
as Katrina just so eloquently put it. And this approach definitely helps create adequate
space for teeth alignment and promotes betterbreathing patterns by expanding the nasal airway,
which of course significantly improves a child'slong term health. That was our millennial

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