I Don't Know, I Don't Care

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His global success story in the luxuryworld of fashion is inspirational. He's
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Webberber. That's the difference between ignoranceand apathy. The answer is I don't

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know and I don't care. Theworst character trait that I've found in people,
it's not dishonesty, not jealousy oreven envy. Not only think from
the Ten Commandments. We know alreadythat a mind is a terrible thing to
waste, But losing your spirit isa travesty. Giving up and not caring,

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I believe, is a person lost. No one said life is easy,
nor is it written that there's asimple formula of the life that will
lead you somewhere. Let alone,there's a sure path. Ignorance, of
course, is bad, but noone knows everything. It's forgivable. Apathy
is not Not caring is actually unforgivable. I don't forgive not caring. There

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are excuses, no energy, nodrive for great. I'm someone who believes
good as the enemy of great.I want great. A friend who is
just not there can't be my friend. I don't have many, but those
that I do have a passion forlife. Relatives they care, But Heaven
forbid, my sons are willing tosettle Hell furious A woman's scored, we

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all know, but Hell has nofurious mark whereber if his sons don't care
about the world, about the country, about the neighborhood, about the officer,
about the work they do. Noapathy in this family. You don't
know, you better learn. Yeah, not caring ruins everything I could say.

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I've had my ups and downs,I've had my dabs, have been
more insecure than anyone. I've questionedmyself. I feared I've failed, But
for me, failing was a stepin the journey, not the final outcome.
I would also say I've learned,I've hoped. I've never compromised,
never ever ever settled, and Iwon't. I'll never forget. I was

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on a photoshoot and one of themodels we use. His name was Tyler
Dank d NK if you want tolook him up, great looking athletic guy.
Reminded me of James Bond before wehired, and we asked him,
can you do this? Can youdo this? Can you play golf?
Can you ski? Can you snowboard? Can you can you? Can you?
Are you willing to jump off boats? And the answer was yes,

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and he did it all and hewas a great looking guy. This particular
guy won the Great American Race atone time. He and his partner,
his friend did it and he's areally great guy. I'll never forget.
During one of the photoshoots, wesat down in between we relaxing, waiting
for the next take to go outthere, and he looked at me and
he said, you won. Isaid I won one? And he said,

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you won the game of life.I never forgot that, and it
meant a lot to me coming fromthis young guy that I admired. Now
I've gotten in trouble for asking thewrong questions. I didn't know, but
I should have kept to myself,should have asked a friend, a co
worker, not my boss. Itcosts me. Bosses can create apathy.

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The wrong leader can lead or drivehis team for not caring. You can
have a lose sight of the prize. There is always one. You can
improve the company's performance and improve yourown workers. That don't care is reflected
throughout in design and the product integrityand the excitement of the company, excitement
towards the future. I came acrossa statement, what is the difference between

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ignorance and apathy? I don't knowand I don't care. I've been demoralized.
It's been self inflicted or a resultof a bad leader, but not
for long. I snap back.I care. There of times I've looked
away to make a point, butI do notice a lazy effort, or
a lack of intelligence or missing commonsenses. We know common sense is not

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so common, and I try andthink through the unintended consequences. I can
excuse a lack of intelligence. Youcan always learn what you don't know.
I can't, and I don't,and I won't excuse apathy. Those minutes,
hours, days, lost. Arejust that lost that I won't forgive,

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said Don Corleone. I don't know, I don't care. Now time
to bring the intelligent half of theduo in my co host, my Laura
my son Jesse Weber. Your Godfatherimpressions getting really good, by the way.
Thank you. You did it atthe wedding, and I thought it
was probably the best it's ever been. And I know you've done it for

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everybody who doesn't know. You've beendoing your scarface and godfather impressions since I
was born, and I think you'vegotten much better at it. So kudos
to you that I won't forgive.You know what scene that's from, Yeah,
that's the when he's meeting with theheads of the Five family. When
did I have a refuse a favor? See, it's actually pretty good.
I'm not gonna lie to you.I actually watched that movie recently and that

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sounds pretty good. But listen,you can't get down on yourself whenever you
want. There's a part of methat thinks it's good for you to be
humble. Actually, you have alittle bit of a maybe a bigger ego
at times, so it's good foryou to be humble. But you can
never ever, ever, ever everquestion your intelligence that I will not have.
So if night is I don't knowand I don't care, you have
to focus on the I don't carepart, not that I don't know part.

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Now there you have a problem.I have a problem. Well,
I have never seen anyone right offpeople as easily as you do. Friends,
family, friends, acquaintances, businesspeople. If something turns you off,
you don't hide it. They're gone, They're done. And why is that
a problem? I think it's agreat strength because these are valued relationships,

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these are valued friendships. You're justtoo quickly they're gone. It's too important
to walk away from. It's likeyou don't even care about them. I
don't agree. Losing trust, lackof appreciation, disrespect or enthusiasm, the
lack thereof I'm gone. It meansyou don't care. No, I don't
care. They become inanimate objects tome, like a car or a coffee

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mug. You're ridiculous. A bestfriend is like a like an old toothbrush.
You can just get rid of it. Yeah, without their trust,
respect or appreciation. Who needs them? Doesn't mean I'm perfect. I'm just
coming thing. Being on the receivingside. If I'm a jerk, I
understand people walking away from me.I don't necessarily agree with you on that,
But what I will tell you isthis topic is great. I don't

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know, I don't care. That'sclever. I like that. But you're
gonna need some examples to back thisup, though, right, you are?
You are right? No one doyou get the big bucks because you're
going to start. What's your favoritestory on apathy? Seeing someone or hearing
someone not caring? Jesse, Okay, I not only have one story.
I got two stories. So thefirst one I was with you in Paris,

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and this was for the board meeting, the LVMH board meeting, okay,
where they go over all the brands, how they're doing the financial health
of them. And it was aboutprepping for that board meeting. Do you
remember what happened? Ah? Yeah, this is a good example. Go
ahead. So the night before thishappened, then it's going to be the

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next morning. It takes up hoursbecause you have several brands. The night
for people, the people that workin your company, they were getting ready
for the board meeting. Okay.You started asking a few questions and you
realized very quickly. None of themwere ready. What I thought was going
to be a nice dinner you andme in Paris ended up being you invited
everybody to dinner, and you spentthe entire dinner prepping them for the next

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day, getting them ready, gettingthem to know what all the answers are
to all the questions. I justsat there, well, I just was
eating my like ice cream. Ididn't have much to do, but I
was watching this unfold and it waspretty incredible how you were getting them ready.
It was like studying before the SATs. Well, okay, thank you
for that. That is a goodstory, but that deals with I don't

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know, And of course it wasabout me caring. But how about a
story of you, I don't care. I don't care. This is the
one that I like better. Okay, this is the time that we visited
the decan Y store in Las Vegas. Okay, when you were CEO and
chairman of Donna, Karen, anytimeyou would go into a store, they

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had your picture in the back,so they were ready for you to come
into that store. And of coursethe point is sometimes we announced in advance
we were coming, and most ofthe times there were surprise, as this
was the case this particular time.This was a surprise visit, which I
always preferred because I always like tosee the employee's reactions when you walked in.

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It's almost like if Tom Cruise walkedinto a surprise screening of Mission Impossible.
You were a very big deal.You love your father. I love
it. You definitely love your father, It's true. So we walk in
and everybody that worked there was sohappy. They were so enthusiastic, very
excited to see you, talk toyou about the store, talk to you

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about the product, ready to minglewith you. It was really special and
I love that. Okay, nowthere was one guy, one guy who
is a sales associate. He didn'tsee what was going on when you walked
in, so he I look himoff to the side, and you see
him and he's got kind of likea disinterested vibe. He's just folding clothes,

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dull and enthusiastic. So let's beclear. He had no idea who
you were. He had no ideawho I was. He didn't see the
commotion that the rest of the employeeswere making when you walked in. He
thinks you're just a regular customer.So you go up to him and you
said, hey, how you doing, and he goes, yeah, I'm
all right, I'm good. Hegoes how you doing, and you said,

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uh, you know, I'm exhaustedbecause you've just gotten in earlier that
day. You go, oh,I'm exhausted, And without breaking a beat,
the guy goes to you, theCEO and chairman of the company,
not knowing who you are. Hesays, well, it could be worse,
man, you could be working here. My face dropped. You played

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it off in jest. You laughedat yoha, you're funny. So the
store manager was right behind you whenthis happened, and as soon as we
left to walk away, I turnaround and she goes to that guy and
whispers into his ear. He turnswhite because she told him who you were.
And out of all the people inthe world to say, wow,

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I really don't care about this joband I hate it, he said it
to the CEO and chairman of thecompany. That's funny. There's a great
example of I don't care getting youin trouble. Look tonight. There's a
lot of things we could have talkedabout. Is it life would have it?
I just happened to come across aquote that caught my attention. What's
the difference between ignorance and apathy?I don't know, and I don't care.

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We're gonna take a break when wecome back. I'm not sure which
we'll cover, but I think I'minto I don't care. Back in a
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don't know and I don't care.In reality, that's who I am.

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I came across a quote this weekand it was what's the difference between ignorance
and apathy? And the answer was, I don't know and I don't care.
I'm fascinated by I don't know.Is it okay not to know something
in life? Of course, itis how you manage that is really important.
When you say I need to lookit up, I need to think

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about it. Let me get backto extremely important. There are times I've
done that. Well. There aretimes that I look around and I believe
in act as if and then youare, which basically means if you behave
as if you know something. Thepeople around you, out of respect for
you, will think you automatically knowit. I remember there was a time

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that I was wearing pedestrian suits.I wasn't wearing the most expensive suits.
I remember time that I wore aBrooks Brothers stuck cedo to a black tie
event for LVMH and people were lookingat me and ask me who I was
wearing, and I said, Iapologize, I should be wearing one of
our brands, but it just happensto be Georgio Homani. Yeah, and
they said, wow, yeah,it looks like it was Brooks Brothers.

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So sometimes you act as if thenyou are, and you got to be
careful the questions you ask. Andthere's times that I've asked questions in public
forum and the companies I've worked for, and it was a mistake because the
questions I was asking I should haveknown it, and the people I was
around looked at me askance, andmy boss one particular time, was really
really taken aback that I didn't knowsomething, and it set me back.

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But generally speaking, it's okay tonot know something. There's always a chance
to improve and to learn. ButI don't care. That's fatal. You
lose your spirit, you lose yourinterest, you lose your drive to be
great. That's fatal. There's noexcuse for it. Is there coming back?
Perhaps maybe that's why I'm talking aboutit tonight. But apathy and not

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caring it just doesn't work. Inever thought about it in great details,
sou. I saw this movie calledWhite Knights. White Knights was a movie
about a Russian male ballerina Jesse.You know what a male dancers call it?
Is not a ballerina or is it? Oh, it's called that ballerina
a ballerino. I never heard thatbefore. But there is about a ballerino

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ballerina guy Russian who defects to cometo the United States. He gets political
asylum from the US and he's onthe plane going to fly to Russia.
And they find out he's on theplane, and it just so happens the
plane crashes, it can't take off, and they arrest him and they won't

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let him leave Russia, and theCIA, I guess it was or Secret
Service finds a way to help himescape to avoid prosecution and jailing or going
back to dance in Russia, andthe Russian police are after him, and
it's a great story, great movie, White Knights and the Ballerina. The

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guy was Barishnikov. You ever hearof him, Jesse, I thought he
was a Russian leader. For asecond, I thought he was part of
the Russian government, and he wasone of the greatest Russian dancers of all
time. In fact, my companyused to sponsor the arts and the guy
who was the leader of this askedme one day to come with him for

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a drink somewhere, and as Ican't go to the middle of day,
he says, you got to comewith me. And we went to a
dance studio and in that dance studio, barish Nikoff was practicing for the ballet
that night, and we got towatch him work out, maybe ten feet
away, right there in a smalllittle gym, you know, with the

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mirror and the bar, and wewatched him and it was amazing. Has
built the muscles, everything going onthere, and the athleticism of that kind
of dance is amazing, and itwas really great. Anyway, he's the
star of the show. He's tryingto escape and the story is about the
detective chasing him is a real jerk. He has an assistant, and every
time the assistant offers an idea,he shoots him down. He shoots him

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down, he's disrespectful, and onand on and on and on, and
you could see the economy between theleader and his employee, so to speak.
The detective in the assistant tective,and it gets worse and worse and
worse, and they're chasing this guyall over the city. And in one
particular scene, they're in a buildingand Barish mccough, the guy who is

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trying to escape the Russian dancer,is behind the door. And as the
policeman walks in, the lead detectivehe goes right, and the assistant goes
left, and when he goes left, he notices Barishnikov behind the door.
And at the time he was soupset from the constant beating down of his

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boss that he didn't care anymore.And he looked at Barishnikov, and Barishnikov
looked at him, and he justwalked on and he didn't call it out.
And that was a great example ofhow a leader could create apathy and
workers that work for them. Sothat's a good example. Would you say,
would you give me that I don'tcare? And how it affection work.

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Yeah. Absolutely. I think ifyou have employees who are not happy,
who are disinterested, who don't care, you have to look at the
top. You have to look atmanagement. I mean really that if they're
not creating a fun and exciting placewhere you want to work and be inspired,
that you have to blame. Whichleads me to my favorite story.
And I'd ownt care of all time. I'm working for this guy. I'll

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call him Jim, And Jim wasimpossible. Here's a brilliant guy. He
rose through the ranks once he gotnoticed, and it just so happened as
his promotions kept coming. My boss, so I was following up the ladder
left our company to join another companythat we had purchased as a president.

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Big promotion for him, and Iwas left behind to work for this guy.
Jim put that off to the side. One of the remarkable things about
my career. When I was thirtyyears old, maybe even younger, I
was traveling around the world conducting businessby myself. I went to Asia,
I went to every country you canthink of him, doing million dollar deals

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with no oversight. I just asI wrote in my book, always in
Fashion. Once in my life Iwas brilliant, and it was this time
that that brilliant showed through. AndI was traveling all the world and it
was amazing to do it by myself. Then one particular trip, I was
overseeing design in the largest division ofthe company, which was dress Shirts,

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fan Us and Dress Shirts, andI traveled around Europe looking for ideas.
In Europe, I visited stores,and I shopped in stores looking for insights,
seeing what was happening by the bestshirt designers in the world. And
I was also cutting deals on textiles, buying fabric from around the world and
shipping it who knows where for manufacture, and it just so happened. This

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particular trip took me to Spain.I was staying in the most beautiful hotel
in Madrid, and I promise,I'm sure everybody says that I was checking
in one day, coming back fromday's work and who's getting out of the
car just hunting in Pheasants Salvador Dali. Amazing. I really traveled in the
sheet crowd, and I had thislife that it's hard to explain. Anyway,

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I get a text that Jim iscoming to Europe and wants me to
meet him. When I'm in Barcelona, Barcelona, those of you who are
astute, and I'm now depressed becauseI don't like Jim, and with him
is his own entourage. So it'sme, myself and I, Jim and
three other people. He had ayoung lady that worked for him, and

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our fiancee who he was courting tojoin our company, and they all came
to meet. So we're in Barcelona, we meet for breakfast, and at
that time he informs us that thefollowing day, Sunday, we're taking a
trip to Ciches, Spain. Cichezis the Spanish riviera off the coast near

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Barcelona. Train ride away. Thatsounded great. He said, we'll go
to the beach, we'll have agreat time, we'll have lunch and we'll
hang out and we'll do that alltogether. So I said, you know,
I really don't want to do this, but how could that be bad?
Hanging out of the beach and thissouth riviera and Spain's riviera. I
love it. So that morning weall get up early. I can't forget

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what I was wearing. I waswearing a bathing suit, but on top
of my bathing suit was white cargopants. White sneakers and a royal blue
tshirt. I looked great. Iloved the way I looked, and I
was young, and I was soexcited to be going to the beach and
a train ride I think was anhour and a half two hour train ride
to get from Barcelona to see Chas, Spain. And on the train as

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we're passing beaches, I'll never forgetI was amazed to see topless women on
the beach at the time, andI'm saying, Wow, this is crazy.
And Jim happens to say, look, when we get to see Chas,
first thing we're going to do ishave lunch. And I said to
myself, lunch, who wants toeat? I'm to go on the beach.
I don't want to eat, butI don't say anything yet. I
figured I'll wait. We get tosee chairs. The train lessons off.

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It's right in town there, ifI'm not mistaken, and you just walk
over and in front of the beaches, they have these beautiful restaurants and cafes
looking out at the beach in thewater, and Jim, who fancies himself
an elegant man, standing there inhis navy blue shorts, black socks and
sandals with a polo shirt, lookinglike a dweeb if you ever saw one.

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Makes a statement, we'll all havea glass of wine and we'll have
lunch, and then we'll go tothe beach. So I said, you
don't watch him. I'll tell youwhat. I really don't want to have
lunch. I had a big breakfast. I'm gonna go hang out on the
beach. I'll meet you there.And he looks at me and says,
no, you won't. I said, what do you mean, no,
I won't. There's a company event, we're all together, we're gonna have
lunch, we're gonna talk. Isaid, I really don't want to talk.

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I'm gonna go to the beach.And he says to me, let
me make this clear. If youleave this restaurant, you cross that street
to the beach without staying here havinglunch and a glass of wine, you
don't have a job when you comeback to New York. I can't believe
this. I was really upset.Not only was I upset that I had
had lunch, but you know,someone to talk to me that way.

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I was doing great things for thecompany. You want to took demoralizing,
You know they had that power overme. But I cared, and I
loved my job, and of courseI cared, so I stayed. I
agonized through a two hour ordeal andit was Don't get me wrong, it
was beautiful. But I'm looking atthat beach and I'm thinking about I've never
been in the beach in Spain,and I'm stuck having lunch with them.

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So eventually the bill is paid.We all go across the way to hang
out on the beach. We allbrought towels, we brought suntan lotion,
whatever the case may be. Jimhad a little too much to drink.
I didn't mention it at the beginning, but Jim liked his veno a little

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too much, he liked his Scotcha little too much, he liked his
white wine too much, he likedhis vodka gimblets too much. And he
was dead drunk, I mean deaddrug. So we get on the beach.
He puts his towel down, takesoff his shirt, takes off his
socks, lies face down on histowel, and falls drunk asleep. Now,

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remember what the show is. Idon't know, and I don't care.
Well, I don't know what's goingto happen if I just leave him?
But I know I don't care,And I left him for two hours
lying on his stomach on the beach, sleeping off his veno until it was

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time to go home. So whenit's time to leave, Jim gets up
and he is burnt to a crisp, his arms, his shoulder, his
neck, one side of his face, and his legs. Now, maybe
I should care, but at nightwe're talking about demoralizing bosses. I didn't

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and I don't care. I'll beback in a minute. Well, one
good thing I didn't see him forthe rest of the trip. Always in
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Welcome back to Always in Fashion.Here's your host, Mark Webber.

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I came across something that I read, what's the difference between ignorance and apathy
and the answer I don't know andI don't care. And it became something
I thought a great deal about thisweekend, and this is the show I
don't know, I don't care.I spent some time shopping this week and

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looking around and realizing how much compromise, how much practical it gets in a
way of great. But I'm lookingand I was disappointed. And as it
would turn out, with my eldestson, who's in this business and the
fashion business, works for a companycalled Authentic Brands Group. They own all

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kinds of brands, all kinds ofstores and system a daddy, what are
these stores? Looks so bad?They have no excitement, no energy,
And it got me thinking and talkingabout spirit and who's good and who's not
on the subject of fashion on afterall, always in fashion, and while

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we may use fashion as we generallydo, as a backdrop, this is
not a fashion story. This isa story of motivation. Jesse. By
the way, do you have afavorite store? Yes, I do.
Uniclaud Love Uniclau. It's Japanese fastretail, fast fashion. They have everything
that you want, from vests tosweatpants to sweatshirts, sweaters, dress shirts,

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everything you can imagine. Right,this is not a commercial for them.
Let me ask you a question.When you walk in the store or
when you're outside the store, whatdo you think about it besides the product?
How big it is, how theyalways have something I need. Do
you like the way it's presented Ido, the way that they set up
the store, the categories, howyou can walk through. I think it's

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good, amount of colors, etc. The amount of colors. Sometimes they
do collaborations with famous designers. Sometimesthey do cool little in store things like
I went to one in Orlando andyou could make your own T shirt.
So, for the purpose of thisconversation, would you say the people at
uniclow care about what they're doing.Yes, they do. By the way,

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there are a number of different kindof stores in America. There are
discount stores, you know, likeTJ Max selling things on discount, supposedly
surplus for manufacturers all around the world. They are national changed in discount is
like Target or Coals. And thenof course the department stores like Macy's or

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Dillard's or Nordstrom. And over thecourse of time there's always been a debate
who's the best and who's the survivorthe specialty store that has only their name
product in the store. When youlook at American Eagle Aero Pistile, you
look at the Gap. You lookat Suit Supply, who happens to be

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my favorite freestanding store all that I'venever bought a suit in there. I
love their knitwear. You look atthose guys. They have one brand in
the store, and their entire lifeis built around nurturing and ensuring that brand
has cachet. At the higher end, it's Vetone, it's Gucci, it's

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product one name in that store,and you'll only find their brands in that
store, which is different and opposedto department stores. Now, I happen
to love department stores because of theirsize, the large breath of assortment,
the big choice that they offer you. I guess that's where the name department.

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They have various different departments in departmentstores. To have a shoe department,
a handbag department, a share department, a collection department, a bathing
suit when it has seasonal stuff orouterwear, so many things to walk through
and choose from, and when they'reexecuted well, they offer great selection.
The only thing is big department storesare not about their brands. It's about

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everyone else's brand, and they haveeditors and curators who bring different assortments from
different people into those stores. Andbecause of the vast number of suppliers and
brands, the presentation very often,or to be kinder, lacks the integrity

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or the commitment or the focus ofwhat you'll see in a specialty store.
Now within department store, you'll findsome shops. If you want to know
what brands department stores think are important, you can instantly tell them by the
way they treat particular brands in thatstore. So when you look at Ralph

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Lauren Polo, they always have theirown men's department and their own women's department.
There is no exception. It's builtto Ralph Lauren's specifications. In most
cases, if you find a Vitonestore in Macy's in New York or in
San Franciisco, that particular store willbe built out exactly to vtone's specifications.

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It may reside inside a Macy's store, but it's a vtone store with their
own employees and merchandise and manage byvtone, and they pay a rent to
Macy's for the use of their realestate, but the rest of the store
can be wanting you walk into Kohle's. They have some great brands, they

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don't have the IT brands, butthey have some great brands, but they're
all put together. It's just notan exciting story. And when you look
at these stores, do you everthink about how jesse one brand name stores,
how carefully they merchandise them. Ofcourse, if you look at something
like Louis Vaton, when you walkdown the street and you look at the

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windows, the designs, the storiesthey've created, it's incredible. They're really
trying to tell a story and tryto make it easy and fun for their
engaging for their customers. Well,when you talk about vtone, the costs
that they deploy for windows year ismore profit than most people make in their
companies. Just the cost of thewindows is more profit, not volume,

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more profit than most people make becausethey care so greatly about it. I
for one, I'm a fan ofMacy's, fan of blooming Does, love
Nordstrom, love Dilerts. I enjoygoing there, But when you go in
there and you see the vast arrayof assortments, it starts to fall apart.
So when my son asks me whythose stores look so oft, Dad,

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It's because where is the attention paidwhen you have a big general store
to manage the cost of the realestate, the amount of sales they need
to do to cover their overhead inthe finest malls of America. Now Macy's
goes to the finest malls, andtherefore their rent is extraordinary and they have

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to make trade offs, and thetrade offs they make is in presentation store.
Help you ever walk through Macy's thananyone ever walk up to you and
say can I help you? Whereasyou walk into a specialty store, you're
bombarded by people. It's not thatMacy's is right or wrong. That's not
where they choose to put their emphasis. And it's very very different. Now

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there are stores that are one namein different kinds of businesses. I like
Oakley. What's Oakley known for JesseSunglasses? Oakley as the sunglass store,
and within that sunglass store they alsohave travel bags and different kinds of things.
But it's all designed with one eye, purchased with one eye on the

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lifestyle of either the athlete or theexplorer, and the kinds of glasses and
things those people would wear. Youlook at Oakley backpacks, they go perfectly
with the sunglasses you would think theywould go to. And it's aimed at
young men and young women, andit's great concept as supposed to Sunglass Hut,
which is sunglasses and eye wear frommultiple brands, from multiple ages,

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a multiple prices. There's an exampleof a specialty store that executes well and
it's not just one brand. ButI often think as a fashion retail luxury
guy, where is the compromise,Where is the brilliance? Where is the
care? Where is the understanding ofthe consumer. Now there are consumers who

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are strictly shopping for price. Thereis a contract between an off price shopper
and the store. If you takesomeone who loves Target. I love Target
for certain things. I find themgreat when I have certain needs, and
I'll go there expecting to find whatI need. I want toys. I

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know they'll have a good assortment oftoys. I know they won't have Apple
to the degree I want Apple.I know the power will leave me wanting,
but I'll find some good pieces withinthere at a very fair and reasonable
price. When I go into TJMax, it's more of a hunt club,
you know, they're going to haveevery brand that you know within reason.

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They won't have them best design ofbrands, but they'll find Michael Cores
or Calvin or or a series ofother brands. But they're thrown together by
size, it's not by brand.So someone who wants to shop for price,
maybe they'll ravage the bin and they'llgo through it and look it and
move things aside for finding the styleor the color or the stripe or the

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brand they like, and they'll findit. That's different than what I expect
if I walk into a better specialtystore like suit Supply. There, everything
is done by color, everything isdone in good taste. They're marketing.
Every month comes in a specific colorfor a various series of styles, and

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they put the outfits together for you. It's fascinating how these stores are all
different and how some look great andsome don't. Everyone could look great.
It just costs, and it comesdown to money and profit. So this
war, this ongoing war forever betweenspecialty stores, mono brand one brand stores,

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the Gap, J Crue, Aer, Pistal, American Eagle Pack,
Son, on and on and onversus the Macy's. The Dens is just
that a war. These wars willbe fought forever. Nobody knows who's winning.
They'll both survive. But for me, I am a discernible customer.

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I don't care what you say.I care what you do. I learned
from Ben Franklin as I got older. I love this and well done is
better than well said. And thatis a backdrop. Whether I know or
I don't, or I care,I don't, I make up my mind
and I stick to it. I'llbe back in a minute. Always.

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In fact, I've been shopping forfun lately, and while I'm out,
I always look at men's and Ilook at women's. What's going on?
And I was particularly interested in Decamwhy because of their sponsorship of the show.
I went downstairs at Macy's thirty fourthStreet to look around, and I
saw a decmy active where And Ipromise you, ladies, it is sensational,

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from the sports braus to the croptops, to the leggings and the
sweats. It really is a greatlook. And DC Andy had begun as
an all American brand dressing casual clothesengines and the stuff looks incredible and right
now, the colors and the stylesis so exciting that I feel great about
the company. I always do.I wear the men's wear all the time.

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I've had situations where I've gone tobig events and been interviewed in TV
or radio and someone comes up tome the microphone and like they always do,
who you're wearing? And here Iam, this big shot with a
big company and they say, well, I'm wearing a dk Y and they
laugh and say, no, you'renot. I actually have one on the
internet where you could see me.They asked me what suit I'm wearing and
I say dec and why had openedit up? And there's the dcmy label.

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Great fashion. It fits well,it looks right. It's designed to
make you comfortable in the city,goes from day and to night. You
can wear it in the morning andwear in the afternoon and you look cool
at night as well. It's greatfor the office. Is great Felisia.
But I was talking about the dcmY active war the first time I really
became aware of it. Jesse andI were up at Sirius Radio. He
was doing a job for Serious Hedoes Dan Abrams show, he fills in

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on the Potus Network and we're inthe lobby and this hip hop group came
up, Well, this really greatlooking Latino singer girl Young Beautiful, and
she was wearing a DCNY sports barand I said to myself, this is
amazing. Actually went to Macy's tosee it, and I'm excited about the
brand. And I'll tell you what, Ladies, dk Y always has great

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fashion for work, always wonderful dressesand things that you'd wear. Their accessories
are great, the shoes are alwaysvery well. But activewear in particular right
now looks sensational and being that everyone'sathleisure and activewear, it's a great time
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But it's more than that. Ihave, for one, love to shop.
I love going around and seeing what'shappening and what catches my attention,
what would make me feel good towear now. I don't wear the women's
wear obviously, but I can appreciateit and may look amazing. If you
want to look right, you wantto have clothes that fits you well.
You want to look like you're wearingsomething that's very expensive, that's exclusive for

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you and yours. You can findit at very affordable prices at Macy's Karlgafel
dot com Paris. The women's readyto wear fashion is extraordinary, as well
as the handbgs and the shoes.I for one, wear men's clothes on
like my appreciation of women's clothes.I'm a modern guy. I want to
look current. I want to lookthe way I want to feel. I

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go out at night, I'm inblack and Carlagafeld is my buddy. Clothes
are great. They fit great,and they have little tweaks and touches,
whether it's a stripe on the sleeveor button at the neck or on the
shoulder. There's a lot of detailsthat go into Carlagafeld because he's always been
he always had been one of theworld's great designers, and this legacy and
goes on and on. I can'tspeak enough about it except to say to

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you, you want to feel goodabout yourself. You want to know that
you're dressing properly. You want clothesthat fits you well. Carl lagafeld Paris
at Macy's or Carlgafel dot com.Welcome back, Joe Always in Fashion.
Here's your host, Mark Webber.What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?

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I don't know, I don't care. That's a theme of tonight show.
I'm spending more time and I don'tcare than I don't know, but I
think it's relevant. And I'm thesubject of I don't know and I don't
care. I don't know which iswhich. But I am fed up once
again with politics. I am sickto my stomach with what goes on in
the face of lying and not acceptingresponsibility. It just drives me crazy.

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It also drives me crazy to seewhat Donald Trump is going through, right,
wrong or different. I want tocome back in that minute, but
I'm the subject of I don't care, I do care, And I want
to say this one thing again,if you care. You care. I
was a corporate executive at the highestlevels, and yet I found time to
make sure that all our pants fit, that our shirts didn't shrink, that

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our buttons didn't break. Why.Because I believe customer deserves to be treated
fairly, and when you treat themfairly, they come back, not just
now, but forever. I caredsure, I focused on price, Sure,
I focused on the well with allof the company. That was my

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job, fifty thousand employees. Youhave to keep them motivated, you have
to keep them going. You haveresponsibility to the shareholders. But I care,
And that's the point I want tomake. Back to Trump, Jesse,
you covered him. You did SeriousRadio a bunch of times this week.
You talked about whether Trump can geta fair trial. Kenny hard to
say. You know, right now, the Florida documents case, it looks

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like it's going to be heard ina rather conservative jurisdiction. So for Trump
that could be beneficial. Maybe hecan get Trump supporters on the jury.
Maybe not. He's also the mostpolarizing figure in the last thirty years.
Everybody's got an opinion about him oneway or another. So how can you
find impartial jurors. If everybody's gotan opinion on if they're being honest.

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There are people who could say,hey, listen, I could put his
policies, the way he talks,the way he looks, I could put
it all aside and just try tolook at the facts and the evidence may
be easier said than done. Andthen my main concern is the people who
are gonna not I don't want tosay lie, but the people who maybe
are not the most honest about theirintentions. They say, yeah, yeah,

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I can be impartial, but reallythey're getting on that jury for one
reason or another. The legal caseagainst him is not great for him.
It's really bad. I don't seea ton of defenses. But this is
a Florida jurisdiction, Florida voters conservativeblock. He may get people on there
who actually sympathize with him. That'sall I'm saying. All Right, well,
I'm not happy to hear this isembarrassing for the country. And is

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there a difference between Trump and thedocuments and Biden and the documents. There's
a significant difference. Significant. Themain difference is Joe Biden, while he
had documents, he wasn't supposed tohave on his property and in places they
shouldn't be. He didn't instruct theinvestigation. He didn't tell his lawyers to
lie. Yeah, and he didn'ttell anyone that he had them since he

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was a senator, and he hadthem since he was vice president. When
they requested the documents back, hegave them back. What Trump is really
getting in trouble for is wilfully retainingthem. In other words, they told
him to bring the documents back andallegedly lied about having the documents, made
an effort to hide the documents,and had his attorneys make false statements about

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the documents. That's where he gotinto trouble. Okay, well, you
know one of the reasons I'm frustrated. I go to the gas pump every
day. It's still four dollars inplus a gallon, and no one seems
to be talking about that anymore.When Trump was president, was two dollars
a gallon. Now part of thatfour dollars happens to be a war in
the Ukraine. At least Trump said, I want to end this war.

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People are dying. It's like it'sokay to kill people in war, and
it's not. And then my favoriteof all. The Post Office just raised
all their prices on Forevera's stamps sigsgnificantly. I'll never again when Trump said
that post Office can make money,it's crazy. Look, it's hard enough
to care when it comes to thegovernment, but it's so devastating to watch

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the lying and the cheating and thewhole deal. Speaking of which I have
one field. I almost called intoyou at series this week. Okay,
you were talking about at one pointwhether the FBI is bias. People on
the right are saying the bias,people on the left to saying bias.
And your position is the FBI doesbad things. They've made mistakes, they've

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done things wrong, bad judgment calls. But it is unfair to say that
they are politicized and weaponized against conservatives. It's just not true. It's inaccurate,
and I think it's dangerous to goafter our top law enforcement agency like
that. And people called in onboth sides of the equation. They did
because look the FBI, and didthey make mistakes when it came to Trump.

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Absolutely, But at the same time, the FBI has gone after high
level democrats and help bring up chargesagainst them. So you can't say that
it's just only against conservatives. Democratshave been brought up on problems too,
so I've been investigated too. Soit's not so simple. That's why I
care. I can't say I don'tknow or I don't care. I don't

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know what's going on, But Ican't say I don't care on a night
when the show is called, Idon't know, I don't care. So
having said that tonight guys, havingsaid this tonight gals, I don't know,
it's forgivable. I don't care.It's not good night.