I'm Nauseous Being Nice

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Webber Weber. I'm nauseous being nice. I'm sick of being sweet. Yeah,

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I've been nice and sweet for toolong a period of time and extended
time over the last few weeks.I'm disgusted with myself. There's been too
much talk about family, fatherhood,doing the right thing. Not only can
I take it any more, I'mexhausted making believe I'm one with the human
race. Even got criticism from itthis week. Who are you? This

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is not we expect on the show. I've made it clear I don't like
humans. But I have to getback to center, where the real world
is. I've tried nice, itdoesn't work for me. I've tried to
give advice, but I get angryeyes and response. I've been criticized.
I've been told I lost my way. Imagine taking crap for being a good

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guy. I've been surrounded by awonderful month of events. I got to
be the man, a father,a family man, a friend to old
friends or friends, to family friendsor just people I like. I made
three speeches from the heart. Bigmistake, thinking an audience as a heart
let alone heart felt. What anidiot. Once again, I'm a fool.

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Now. I have reasons, manyfor the sweet version of Mark Webber.
The last few weeks beautiful occasions,wonderful times, places, events,
but it's spilled over into beyond thefamily speeches to whomever. I'm speeched out,
talked out, explained out, reasonedout. It's a nice guy over
and out. I'm done. I'mfinished. I'm back. The radio show

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and the podcast is a chronology ofthese times and events. But terrible being
the good Swede Mark Webber. Yeah, I'm nauseous with myself. Truth is
what adds to the revulsion I'm feeling. There's people the reaction to me.
One person I was told I don'tknow who it was said thirty two minutes
of talking. I hated from beginningto end. That was the reaction to

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my wedding speech. I know,if you don't know someone personally, you
don't take it personally. But thefeedback from workers, the lack of sense
of humor, the stupidity, thebackup morons and text to the studio to
LinkedIn complaining I have to get backon point now. If you're not interested
in this stuff, I guess Ishould leave it to Joel Olstein or Billy

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Graham Junior. I got soft.What a waste of time expecting appreciation for
taking a moment in time. I'ma month to focus on sweet success.
What kind of fool am I?Who am I kidding? Now? I
suppose the exception of those that getit, there are some good people,
few and far between, I mustsay. But yet even within the type

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family ranks there is some mutiny.But to be fair, there have been
beautiful moments, emotional thank you,tremendous showing of appreciation, thank you so,
and some missing thank yous. ButI'm not done. I'm back.
I'm through it. Nice sweet,politically correct appreciation for mankind on search of

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kindness from the human race. I'mback, effort. I'm back on the
dock side. I knew I wasright all along. I had a brain
freeze and I forgot about human nature. Humans don't like them, and it's
for a reason why bother with good? When war is accepted, illegal is
legal, crime is everywhere, lyingis the norm. The current administration spins

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everything, even if the timing forsharing disasters is orchestrated. Outrageous politicians are
outraged when they're caught. Scandal everywhere, No leadership, no answers, no
solutions. F you to all ofyou that make jokes about the submarine imploding
because it was those rich guys dyeing. I don't like humans. I do
find some good people amongst you,few and far between. But why was

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I thinking? How can I possiblyhave forgotten that where we are a society
doesn't applaud the good. We worshipthe stupider. Yeah, I'm back and
now I'm comfortable again. Tonight,Let's talk to talk, walk to war,
complain about everything this. Everyone bemean arrogant and nasty. Impossible,
that's the plan. Now joining meon the dark side my lawyer, my

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son, and my co host JesseWebber. I don't think I agreed to
go on the dark side, butfor purposes of this exercise, let me
just say I like the softer sideof you. Oh gosh, no,
No, they're not throwing anybody underthe bus. Some people just commented on
some things that you have been sayingin the last few weeks. I think

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that's fair to comment on you.No, of course it's fair. However,
it never surprises me when people justdon't get it. They don't get
me. Now you know. Thetruth is no, it's not okay.
I do good. A little thanksis in order, and certainly you don't
like the show, get your own. Let's see what you can do.

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What I will flat out agree withit's time to move back to the real
world, because sweet and kind isjust not who I am. One of
the shows that you did while Iwas out, I thought this is interesting.
It was in search of good newsand you said only nice stories are
fluff pieces. I think that isso right. It's nonsense. Nonsense is
sometimes what sells. You don't reallywant to hear it. But that's it.

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That's the only nice stories they actuallyput together on the news. I
think the last time I actually heardof not necessarily nonsense and not really a
fluff piece, but something that peoplewere so fascinated with that wasn't politics or
war or the economy. It wasthe Johnny Depp amber heard trial. People
were like fascinated with that. Theywere fascinated with learning more about the Hollywood

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lifestyle, learning about this couple.Yeah, because it's bad. It's the
dark side, two Hollywood types fightingit out in court. You've got three
billion viewers on the Lorn Crime Networkon YouTube. Yeah, that's the dark
side. Yeah, the dirty laundry. It was a nasty case. And
then look, you talk about myprofession. People love true crime. They

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love murder, They love learning aboutthese murder stories. I mean, it's
an attraction there. I sometimes don'tget it. You know, there's some
stories that are compelling. Maybe it'sa search for a missing person, maybe
it's a search to find out whodid something. But there's like this fascination
with true crime. I think it'shappened the last twenty years or so,
and it's just gotten even more withpodcasts and TV shows. It's like good

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versus evil. You're making the pointhumans want the dark side. By the
way, talking about your wedding speechand how everybody hated it, just for
the record, your speech at mywedding was for me and my wife right
because we loved it. What elsedoes that matter? Great? Thank you?
Okay, So the Hilton comment notmy favorite. You basically got up
there and told people how to dressand said if they don't know how to

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dress, the Hilton's down the block. A little harsh considering that many of
the people at the wedding, theseout of towners, were staying at the
Hilton. I think they should havea sense of human I frequent the Conrad.
It's a Hilton property. Nobody knowsthat you stay at the Conrad.
They thought you were making fun ofthem. They thought you were like above
them. What did I have alist of people with they stayed? It

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was funny. Nobody gets it.Okay. Put aside the Hilton comment,
what about your comments on fat activists. You were talking about them. I
don't think that one any friends atthe wedding, amongst those that night that
it might have been a little bitoverweight. Hey, maybe I'm too hard
on myself. Maybe I've been onthe dock side. Listen f them.
Also, I struggled with way throughoutmy life. I have a right to

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comment, and I have a rightto tell him the best exercises, pushing
away from the table, get asense of humor, go on a diet
while you're certainly back the old MarkWebber's back. You know what pissed me
off more than anything. I wastalking about being a father, okay,
and how important it was and myresponsibilities. And I talked about Don Coleone

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talking to Johnny Fontaine, and hegoes, do you spend time with your
family? Of course I do.Well, that's good because any man that
doesn't spend time with his family can'tbe a real man. Crickets, no
lefts, no plause, nothing injust shows you that people are morons,
humans and morons. I'm not happyabout it. That's what you're angry about

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that you didn't get an applause foryour Don Corleone impression. I'm upset.
I spent the last three weeks beinga good guy, standing up for fatherhood,
standing up for doing the right thing, and all I got is criticism
and comments, no sense of humanI'm nauseous with myself. That's tonight show.

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I'm nauseous with being nice. Butnow I want to get back on
to the real world and make sureeverybody knows that I haven't changed, that
I have no use for humans.By and large. Let's start with okay
with you. You want to getinto this sol you want to be nice
tonight? Oh no, I findthis interesting. Let's go okay. The
political situation i'd like to callest partof our conversation. I wish I was

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a Democrat. I've said it before. I'm left on social issues, but
the Democrats, the Wolkes are takingto a point of view that's crazy.
Now all of a sudden, pizzais ruining the world. Don't charge your
car at night? What am Isupposed to charge it in New York during
the day when there are no chargingstations? I support climate change legislation,

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but what about all these guys whoare saying it and they're in their private
jets. Look, I have noproblem flying private. I love it.
But I think you just should shutthe up. If you're going to do
that, you know you have noright to talk about climate change. And
by the way, hooray for forBill Maher pointing it out. The pizza
thing is ridiculous. Oh my goodness, the coal burning ovens pepperoni is going

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to be the end of the world. I do not believe that this is
going to go down without a fight. I think people are going to protest.
I think this is gonna get ugly. No way, you're taking away
our pizzas from New York City.Not gonna happen. Yeah, No more
regular cars, only electric cars withno place to charge them, and no
plans for what to do with batteriesand all the waste that's caused. Now

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they're putting a tax on New Yorkfor anyone who drives into the city below
sixtieth Street. They're gonna do withthat money. They think they're gonna stop
people coming from the city. Thepeople who drive into the city can afford
to him. By the way,what about all the lubers, and what
about all the taxis and what aboutall this? What is this nonsense?
It's not bad enough that they closedoff half the lanes of Manhattan. These
people don't know what they're doing.I can't believe it. Yeah, I

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wish I was a Democrat. TheDemocrats the evil They're street fighters. Go
figure, they lie with no conscience. Nancy Pelosi is so tough, so
arrogant. I respect her. Ilove what she did to Trump during the
State of the Union address. Whata street fighter. The only problem is
it's not a single thing she standsfor that I agree with. But what

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a woman. And Adam Shift Shift, the Adam Shift strange looking guys whatever
he is congressman wants to be aSenator. During the Ukraine problem for Trump,
he stood up and read a letterthat supposedly came from a whistleblower,
and he changed used the whole letteraround. This was a letter that I

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believe, I'm not mistaken, wasa transcript from the phone call. And
he took poetic license in what hesaid during the reading of that letter to
the entire world. And he gotcaught. And over the course of the
last few years as the member ofthe CIA Intelligence Committee, he talked about
how they had all the details,all the documents to prove Trump was a

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conspirer with the Russians, that hewas a trader, and then when time
came, he had nothing. Sohe gets censored, not impeached, censored,
and he uses it a badge ofhonor to stand up and say what
a righteous guy he is. There'sso much nonsense in lying on the Democratic

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side, it's unbelievable. Now Irespect him for it. This idea that
if it hurts Trump, it's okay. And the whole presidency of Trump three
years, he's fighting to say Idid nothing wrong, and he didn't.
Biden did what he accused Trump ofdoing. He interfered in the politics of
the foreign nation because they were investigatingthe Sun's company that it was being paid

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by. He insisted they fire theProsecruda. That's one of the reasons they
impeached Trump. The Democrats, themasters of deny, deny, deny.
When they get caught with their pantsdown, they say, that wasn't me,
that's somebody else. Your pictures wrong. They are crazy, smart,

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just not smart on any decisions theymake. They're crazy and they're great at
making Republicans look like fools and ruiningour government. Look they destroyed the economy,
they gave away our energy independence.They put us at risk a global
war with Russia and China. Irespect them. They have no conscience.
They're not afraid of anything, andwhen they do wrong, they don't admit

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it. They plass the blame toeveryone else. They're tough, but never
right. Republicans a morons. Theyhave the answers, but they can't convince
the electorate or anyone else. Theyhave the worst reputations. They're not good
guys, even though they are theRepublicans. They bring knives to a gunfight.

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They just don't know how to communicate. A former president. The Trump
may go to jail. The currentpresident may get impeached and put in jail
with his son. Hey, Trump, your choice. There's plenty to dislike.
I have to agree call him aracist, although I've never seen a
policy put in place to demonstrate thatthe opposites. In fact, anything goes
against Trump. But you want thedark side, Everything he done makes sense.

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He brought us a vaccine, buthe gave us a choice of whether
to take it or not. TheDemocrats got to the vaccine and mandated that
they forced everyone to take it.I took it. I was glad to
take it, but let's face it, Democrats forced it. Now everybody's finding
out it didn't have a plan.Didn't that work? Right? Now?
Trump the only one talking sense ona Ukraine. He's the only one who

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came right out and said it,give me one day and I'll end the
war in Ukraine. People are dyingjust for the moment put Us signed the
ruination of civilians and their culture.The soldiers are dying every day. The
entire political system behaves like that's okay. It's okay for soldiers to die because
they signed up to serve. Yes, they signed up to protect their country,

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but not to die needlessly. Thesesoldiers, their sons, their fathers,
their brothers, their lives are lostto their families. They're gone.
It's a runation, it's a travistan. All the civilians that are dying.
Trump is the only one who saidclearly they're dying. You'll have to stop
this. There's no leadership in thiscountry. Both parties are disgusting. And

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once again you gotta give it toDemocrats for the credit for their degree of
evil. To Democrats are all partyline, no independent thought. That's their
way or the highway. Their Republicanslet their hearts get in the way.
Romney, I don't know whether I'ma fan or not of him, but
he does act independently. He doeswhat he thinks is right. He should
be applauded for that. On eachissue he votes what he thinks is right,

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and he's vilified. Rand Paul isalways right. There's a guy with
common sense. Nobody supports them.They turn him into a buffoon. But
he was right with everything. Theymade him look foolish with his arguments with
Fauci, and everything he said wasright. Our government is on the wrong
side of everything. You want totalk to dark side China, I have

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to say it. I'm a fanof China. I spend so much time
there when I was younger. They'rewell made and they're inexpensive. That's a
pretty powerful position, don't you think. Yeah. I spent a lot of
time doing business, developing products,teaching the Chinese our know how, handing
him our technology. I demand anyoneto show the gun that was put to

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their head to willingly give them ourtechnology. And now we're angry with China
for being smarter than we are.We should be angry at all politicians for
this stupidity, for not holding theChinese feet to the fire, for making
sure they bought as much from usas we bought from them, and made
sure they stop stealing our intellectual properties. What about TikTok and stealing our private

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information. We don't have an issuewith that. Close it down. If
that's what it's doing, close itdown. Clearly, haven't seen how good
the dance videos are. Well,then don't complain. We're doing stupidity.
You can't be made of China forbeing smart on us for being a wealthy
nation investing in technology and finding trainingpartners around the world who evaluated to them.

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They started investing in Africa. Nobodyunderstood why they invested in Africa.
Africa has all the minerals we needas a forward society to make computers and
computer chips, and they have thefranchise on all its stupid Hillary Clinton settled
them are nuclear uranium. Their friendswith Russia. They get energy from Russia.
China is a million times smarter thanus. They have no enemies.

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They exist and let others exist.We give and get nothing. Once again,
Trump said it with NATO. There'sa war in Europe right now with
Ukraine fending off the Russians. Who'sfunding it, who's there? We are?
We have no strategy. We havestrategicy. That's a fake word,
like the fake things we get forbeing American fools. We have no leadership.

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Where are geniuses politicians? Where wegive away essential skills and manufactory,
where we're are dopey politicians. Whenwe allowed Taiwan to be the only one
to make computer chips, where weallow China to make all of our medicines,
all our penicillin, all our antibiotics. They control our hell through medicine.

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They don't ever need to fire ashot to win us over. We'll
I'll be speaking Chinese someday. TayChina. I'm a fan. Oh and
the big guy. You know whothe big guy is? He sends Blincoln,
the Secretary of State, to tryand reset our relationship with China.
We told he had an excellent meeting, and right at the same time,

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our president, the big Guy atthe same time quojia dictator. That went
over. Well. You know youcan't make this up. We have zero
leadership. We're in a divided nation. We're in trouble. Welcome back,
Mark, No more missed the niceguy. Tonight I'm on the dark side.
I'm nauseous for the way I behavefor the last month. I was

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a good guy, a sweet guy, a nice guy, stood up and
made speeches that people should admire becauseI gave faith to humans no more.
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look great. Welcome back, Joalways in fashion. Here's your host,
Mark Webber Lou. Come to thedock side. I'm on the dock side
now, just like in Star Wars. Last few weeks, I had some
beautiful occasions, anniversary's, weddings,nice things. You got to speak three
times mate speeches. And what didI get from being a nice guy?

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Criticism? People don't get me.I'm actually nauseous from being nice and sweet,
and thinking about it, this week, I decided to go back to
the dark side, which is whereI am. I get to complain,
I get to be angry, Iget to be pissed off, and that's
kind of where I am tonight.I'm trying to temper it down. You

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like being the bad guy, Sayhello to the bad guy. Actors always
say they prefer playing the villain.It's more fun, isn't Well, it's
not so much that I want tobe a villain. It's my view on
humans and people in general that thereare some really nice people, and over
time I've talked on the show aboutthey show up at the strangest places and

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when you need them, they're therefor you. But generally speaking, I
don't like humans. For someone tosay, whoever, that was thirty two
minutes of my speech at your weddingwas terrible, It's not that they thought
it was terrible, it's that theywere offended by what you said. I
don't know who the person is,and I hope I never know, and

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I don't care if I should evermeet them again, and if they or
any of their friends or listening tothe show person has no brains, I
don't want to know them. Howabout that morons anyway? What I want
to talk about now, of allthings, this fashion. What a shotka
right for a show that's called alwaysin Fashion, I have to talk about

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fashion because it's making me crazy.What a respect in fashion is conviction.
What I don't respect is compromise,and compromise is rooting the fashion system.
Compromise is a fine idea until itcompromises your principles. You have to remember,

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we're in the business. What dopeople need what can you sell a
lot of? What do people want? Or what can you sell a lot
of without compromising your principles. I'llalso remind you that in this world,
in order to make money, youhave to sell a lot of what you

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make. Think about Tesla has tosell a lot of cars. Think about
Apple has to sell a lot ofphones. On fashion, you have to
sell a lot of key items basics. We all wear basics when we admit
or not. We wear T shirts, we wear sweaters, we wear sweatshirts.

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Companies have to sell a lot ofthem. But the best companies disguise
these basic as fashion. They haveto be comfortable and they make you look
current and better. Now I workbetween two worlds. One world I grew
up working for Man of the Peopleproducts fan using shirts isod sports where even

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Calvin Klein, when you think abouthow much underwear genes sports where they sell,
is very affordable. Donna Karen decany tremendously affordable products that would sell
a ton of them. Decany soldthree hundred million dollars worth of jeans over
a fifteen year period at Popular Prize. So I lived in that world.

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The other world I walked into isthe luxury world at lvmh Luis Vutan Moet
Hennessey. The luxury world talks aboutwhat do I put in to my product
to make it better rather than whatI take out of it to make it
less expensive. So let's take astroll to those worlds. Have any of
you seen the recent men's wear collectionsfor Spring twenty four. It's been men's

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fashion week around the globe. Productvetone, Gucci disaster. Ladies, keep
wearing your naked dresses. I don'tknow what signal you're trying to send,
but I'll look at you. Butmen, I can't believe what I'm seeing.

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The genius Raft Simmons is now atProduct and the clothes are in sanely
sick and terrible. Raf Simmons isfamous, I'm not Raf Simmons did a
movie called Dior and Me. Hewas the creative director at Dior. He
was sensational. He was unbelievable becauseeverything he did at Diyor was in keeping

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with being a luxury company, tobeing out in front of it like no
one else, and someone the merchantsaid to or tempered a lot of what
he was doing in order to makeit salable. Now salable at Dior is
very different. It's salable at someof these other companies I mentioned because at
the or you're talking about very veryexpensive handbag, shoes, sunglasses, dresses.

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But within it, he was brilliant. Now I want to tell you
the other side. I did ashow back in June, I think of
last year, probably a year ago, about my former company Van Jusen,
when they saw hold off their assetsof venues in and isod to evolve people,
my son's company where he works,and I did a show called you

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Failed. There's no other way tospin it, and the responsibility of keeping
the founding brand of Phillips venues inpH as seen on the stock exchange was
a failure of the highest proportions.Drove me crazy. Now on LinkedIn every

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week I get comments from anywhere froma thousand to when my wife passed away
twelve thousand people to the show thatyou failed eighty eight hundred people, the
second largest response I ever had.Because people were invested and they are invested
in brands and PVH selling off theirnamesake brand was a failure of the greatest

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proportions. I spent thirty years ofmy life doing everything I can to make
that brand great, as did somany other of my associates, and they
gave it a way. And thenpH who owned Calvin Klein, which is
amazing success during my tenure, evenmore amazing after I left. Calvin Klein
is one of the truly great brandsin the world between underwear, Calvin Klein,

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Jeens, Calvin Klein Sports, whereCalvin Klein, Fragrances, eternity c
K one what a company. Theyhired Raf Simmons to be the creative director,
not just for the collection, theygave him the whole company. And
what did he do. He wentout and started making strange things, couturier

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ideas that a handful of people wouldbe interesting. Remember before I said I
don't like compromise, Well, Ihave to give it to Raf Simmons because
he never compromised. He went aheadand started making the same things he'd made
for everyone else and literally destroyed CalvinKlein. The collection closed, every one
of their business suffered. The CEOof the company had, I want to

(32:00):
say, had to leave, butit was a blot on his career.
He was a great guy who didwell for I think eleven twelve years.
He retired at his own choosing.But he took a hit for that.
And all the people associated with RalfSimmons, Calvin Klean company, the president,
the executive, they're all gone.They had to start all over.
They had to get rid of RalphSimmons, and they did. And now

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I watched him at Product. I'ma Product fan. You want to talk
about the dark side, I'm onthe dark side now. I saw the
men's run my show. There weremore skirts than pants. There are more
dresses than pants. They're more shortsthan pants. There are more skin on
men's weban I've ever seen in mylife. How can you wear this?

(32:43):
What are you doing to fashion?I watch what's going on and I say
to myself, who's allowing this tohappen? What's going on in fashion?
I have a question for you,Pharrell. What is he known for.
He's a musician and a producer,a genius at it right. He's amazing,
He's incredible, and he's a coolguy, cool guy that never ages.

(33:06):
He like looks the same for thepast twenty years. And I knew
him Farrell because of his music.From a fashion point of view, I'm
asking myself, what are his credentials. I know he wore a smokey the
bear hat. I know he likessunglasses. I know he's a cool guy.
But he was just named creative directorof Vitone. The way that I

(33:27):
would look at that is you say, okay, he is a creative artist,
and creative artists sometimes that can translateinto fashion, can it? Absolutely?
Why is Kanye West grating clothes?Because he could maybe Farrell could as
well. I'm not arguing. Ijust saw the Runway show and it's strange,
vite. They're all about the nextthing. They're all about fashion,

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and I gotta tell you, Farrellein Paris brought out the big guns.
Jay Z was there. He andjay Z sung at the show. I
mean then or then and after whatever. But I'm watching what's going on.
I'm thinking about my former company,Viton. I'm wondering what this guy's fashion
credits are. I haven't read thereviews, but why, baba. They're
applauding brown shoes with navy suits.They're applauding all these white soul shoes.

(34:15):
They're pluting all these things. They'reputting Billy Porter from wearing a dress to
the oscars. All of this isokay all of a sudden, what's going
on in fashion? I don't understand. Look, I wish him luck.
I like the idea that he's aperson who is noticed, that he draws

(34:35):
people to anything he does, andhe will draw a new audience to LV.
I just have my fingers cross thatthe fashion will be more sensible.
But I never dream of the nightmarethen I'm looking at right now? How
could this statement possibly help anyone?And why are we embracing in his industry

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this lack of clarity, this lackof common sense, this lack of style.
Where can this lead? I knownowhere to you? Wow? Look
at what you're wearing behind your back? Also? Wow? Wow? Shouldn't
be your goal? You deserve tobe seen, You deserve to be appreciated,

(35:23):
deserve to be respected, you deserveto be taken. Seriously, we
can't do it with the fashion I'mseeing on the run rays right now.
And I might be the only onesaying it, but that's the way it
is. I'm not a nice guytonight. With that, I'll be back
in a minute. Always in fashionspent a lifetime of my career building the

(35:45):
van Usen Brand, and I amso pleased that they're back with us now
talking about suits. Men, We'redressing up again and it's become cool to
wear a suit. Suits can beone on multiplecasions in multiple ways. You
could wear a suit formally to goout at night or to an event,
to wear a suit to the officewith or without a tie. If you

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look closely, now fashion trends,suits are being worn with turtlenecks or mocknecks.
The choices are endless, and everyone of them looks right. You
could really really look the part.I believe that packaging yourself this is important.
Does the products you package and wearinga suit is one of those things
that make men look their best.Venues and invented a new idea. It's

(36:31):
called the cool flex suit. It'sbeen engineered with stretched technology, giving you
the most comfortable fit and mobility.It's wrinkle resistant fabric, it's cool moisture
wicking. It makes it perfect forall occasions. As we discussed just now,
this new style of looking shop whilefeeling cool and comfortable is amazing,

(36:52):
and I'm so excited that the Venusingcompany is involved in this new technology and
is embracing the whole idea of dressingup. Let's not forget van Uson made
its name with dress shirts. It'sonly proper that the suit business follows strongly
in its way. You can findvan Uson cool flex men's stretched suits at
jac Penney or online at jcpenny dotcom. Guys, they're great. You

(37:16):
should go look at them. Welcomeback to Always in Fashion. Here's your
host, Mark Webber. I havebeen nauseous with myself. I can't look
in the mirror. I've spent thelast month being a nice guy a place
I'm not familiar with. I'm usedto being tough to the point, but

(37:37):
fair. Maybe I don't know evenwhat that means, but I've been different
because I've been in these situations,and now that I have been doing it,
I've gotten criticized for my behavior.Some for the show. I'm just
getting angry. I'm on the dockside. Now that's this week's show.

(37:58):
I'm not being nice. I'm complaining, and I think Jesse evens enjoying it.
I am. As much as Ilike the sweet Mark Webber, You're
much more fun as the dark MarkWebber, as the bad guy. You
know, before your wedding, wetook a bunch of guys out for dinner
the night before, and I gotup and spoke extemporaneously, no notes,

(38:19):
no plan whatever, and I wastalking about gripes and stuff, and I
was funny as hell. I wasmy best speech of the last month.
I think that's the most fun youhad of the wedding weekend. Maybe.
Yeah, I'm angry and I'm feelingbetter. Though, Wait, wait before
you get into it. It seemsyou're getting angry and angry as we go
forward in the show. That's funny, but I would say, no,
my angerer is equally proportionate. Ithought, you don't care what people think.

(38:44):
I know, do you to anextent? Not like I'll change my
behavior, but I'm conscious of howpeople respond to what I do. Yeah,
one person watches you on TV makesa comment about your hair or something
you said you get a little noseout of joint or note so funny you
should say that. I'll tell youthis. I'll be like, you know,
somebody said something about my hair,or somebody said something about this.

(39:04):
Instead of saying me, ah,forget it, who cares what they saying?
You side with them. You go, huh, maybe your hair is
a little too long. Maybe youdo have to give it a second thought.
I'm shocked. I'm shocked for theguy who doesn't care what people think.
Anytime somebody gives me a critique,you're like, oh, maybe you
have to think about that. Well. One of the people who wrote me
a letter this week commented, Iam tough on you, are demeaning on
you on the show, and I'mreally other than fooling around saying I can't

(39:29):
believe you took a honeymoon and youstay here and you know you didn't take
your recording good man, which Iwould think is a joke. Do you
feel I'm tough on you on air? Well, first of all, I
wrote it anonymously, No, youdidn't. It happen to be from a
guy who I know very well.And let me just say to the person
that wrote you, I appreciate youdefending me, But at the same time,

(39:51):
I really don't think I needed anydefense. I feel like you and
I are always just joking around.It's never really serious. Yeah, that
was one comment the stand. Thenthere was comments he made a comment that
you know which really part of thewould triggered this show, which is I'm
grateful in that regard because he wassaying that always in fashion is not on
point, which is really what Iwant to talk about. For the moment.

(40:15):
Everything on this show is a lifelesson. I've always said you should
listen, but more importantly, youshould hear what I'm saying on focusing this
audience on what's important. Business.You can't do it alone. You need
people. For me, considering thatthis entire night have been talking so far
about how I don't like humans,I want to make the point you can't

(40:37):
be successful in business without people.No one can do it all themselves.
But I have a concept that Ihire or I will only tolerate inherited people
that work directly for me, whomake me struggle to be value added.
I don't want to do anything.I want their ideas. I want the

(40:59):
brilliant, so I want their expertiseto lead the way, and I want
to struggle to make a contribution.And then when you think about that,
you might say it makes no sense, But it makes all the sense in
the world because I then have towork to figure out what we're missing,
what to do to make us better, what to do to make us more

(41:21):
unusual. I want to work withthe smarter people. The better you are,
the more excited I will get.I'm never fearful than anyone who would
report to me might be better thanme. If you're better than me,
more power to you. I'll comework for you. There's always an opportunity
in companies for all of us.There's always room. You better than me.
I have to accept you as akey player, but I'll tell you

(41:44):
I'm tough to beat. My exactquote goes like this, I want to
work with people who make me struggleto be value ended. I'll find a
way to contribute. I'll add aperspective, make your ideas special. I'll
make you more confident. But noquestion, I'm a tough guy in business.
Tough but fair. It means I'mdemanding. I don't suffer fools well,

(42:06):
but I'm also understanding and try andbring fools along. Have you come
to me, ask me a question, or you present an idea. I
expect you to be prepared. Iexpect you to be thorough, to consider
all the options. I expect youto look for an ounce should you need
one, Because if your idea oryour plans don't work, what are you

(42:27):
gonna do? H you need tohave a backup. I expect people to
think through the unintended consequences. Look, I don't believe we should ever make
the same mistake twice. We haveto have some class. We have to
give credit where it's due. Yougot to remember to appreciate and say thank
you. You have to remember anitherto take credit for other people's work.

(42:50):
And I will tell you if youalways agree with me, one of us
is needed. So you better havesome ideas that are different from mine.
I don't need kissing my ring tomake me nice. This whole idea of
sweet and nice is platform for meto talk to you tonight about different subjects.
Like the show always is, Ilook for something that might trigger a
response. I look for something that'ssaying. In this case, me being

(43:15):
nice didn't pay off. Allows meto talk about things that are annoying me.
That allows me to be tough butfair. You know, when I
talk about once in my life,I was brilliant, it was designed to
challenge you to think outside the box, to realize that it's okay to think
differently. When I talk about Iused to be important, I understand that

(43:37):
time's change, in life's changes,you have to be self aware. For
me, it's fun to see thereality of it. What I'm complaining that
nobody sees me anymore, and whatit feels like to no longer be relevant.
That's real. It gets me tosee humans that they're best and the
worst. And I love it.I'm not unhappy. I'm a realist.

(43:59):
I had my aunts in business.I was important, I was a CEO.
Now I'm not. Now I doradio, I do podcasts. I'm
sure I'm relevant to those who notonly listen, but here. I believe
it's great that I get your comments. I want you to keep them coming.
I don't mind those friends who've writtenme are concerned you're being honest with

(44:20):
me, No, don't worry about. All it does is trigger more ideas
for me. I wonder whether youget the impact. One of these folks
who I've mentioned now a couple ofthings he said, said, I'm losing
the spirit of always in fashion.I couldn't disagree more. This show began
as a business show. I triedevery time I came out there this is
mark where, but this is alwaysin fashion, this is business. And

(44:43):
with spite of all that talk aboutbusiness, Apple Spotify categorized us as culture
and lifestyle. That's who we are. Any subject is game, any subject
is relevant, and I love thefreedom at off it. I love the
opportunity to expand beyond the walls offashion. So I welcome put. I'm
not sorry in the least for youreawakening the tiger in me. Well,

(45:06):
I think you should continue to bemean to me because I like getting the
fan mail. I like people defendingme. I mean, I gotta tell
you, people defending me at thewedding, people defending me on air.
My goodness, I haven't seen somuch Jesse love in quite some time.
Give me one example where I gaveyou a tough time. Well, I
mean, it's light humor, it'slight. But you gave me a hard

(45:27):
time about certain decisions that I made. No, I want to hear that's
psychobabble. You didn't give me alittle bit of a hard time about going
to Greece. No, I questionedwhether I need to go to the other
ends of the world. There wereso many other places to choose from.
I was talking to you as yourdad, your father. I was concerned
you being so far from home anda place that has all kinds of problems.
Never seems to meet their budgets.I don't know what's going on in

(45:51):
Greece. That was a hard time. You gotta do better than that.
Keep going. Let me hear whatelse. The truth is, I can't
think of anything that you did badat me, because nothing stood out.
You tease me here and there,but I don't think of anything that bad
in particular. I know you can't. And just to put things in perspective,
do you tease me? Yeah,I tease you, but rightfully so
someone's got to hold your feet tothe fire a little bit. You give

(46:14):
me all kinds of stuff no matterwhat show we're doing. That's true.
Oh you gave me a hard timeand out bringing my equipment to Grace to
do the show. Yeah. Wasit a hard time or it was a
joke? Do I expect you towork on your honeymoon? Yeah? I
do. But hey, I havea different question for you. While we're
just rambling here. I don't wantto mention names. I don't want to

(46:35):
mention brands, but one of theformer brands that I used to work at
it is looking for some help.I had a conversation with the principles of
the company about coming in there andhelping them get back on track. Should
I go back to semi something workor not? Yes? First of all,

(47:00):
your mind always has to be active. You wouldn't be good just sitting
around. And yes, the radioshow takes a lot of time. It's
a great thing that you do.But I think you would love to be
part of a company working in thatindustry again, being value added. I
think you would love it. Ithink it would make your life interesting.
So you want to put your forefatherback to work after he retired, I'm

(47:22):
not telling you to work in asweatshop from six am until midnight. So
how many hours should I work everyday? Should I travel over the world
all over again? No? No, no, no, no more light
work? You said semi semi,So I don't know. Two hours a
day, three hours a day everyday? So I shouldn't have days off

(47:43):
to play golf or hang out andjust do nothing. I should have a
schedule every day. If it's takinga phone call for an hour and a
half, is that the worst?The funniest thing is I used to be
a consultant, you know. Ihave this practice, and I would take
phone calls and fall asleep on them. That was terrible. You know,
you probably shouldn't say that on airbecause they're probably listening to this, and
by the way, your future potentialemployer might be listening to this. You

(48:06):
don't have any urge to be backin the industry, that's a great question,
But the real question is why wouldI. I'm concerned that it's my
ego. I'm concerned that, youknow, being back in some form gives
me a platform. I walk inI stand tall, people respect me.
I can't tell you how many timesthe folks I was involved with talking about

(48:30):
this that it was an honor forme to be there. I haven't heard
that, you know, maybe ever. But I'm concerned it's my ego.
Number one and number two, itis another mountain to climb, to go
back to some degree in the fashionluxury business. But is that where I
should be climbing mountains or should befinding new mountains to climb like we did

(48:52):
with radio, like I did withbooks. While is there some other career
that you haven't told me about thatyou want to do. I want to
be a whole fighter. If youthink about it, there's a part of
you you're still reading about the industry. You always tell me, what's going
on? We talk about it here. You're not interested in building a company,
up, building a brand? Well, I'd be lying if I didn't

(49:13):
say I wasn't considering it. You'relike the in the movies, the assassin
who comes back for that one jobthey need him out of retirement. Yeah,
and that's the one he gets killedin. Okay, maybe bad example.
I'm just saying you're still value added. Look, I'm not money motivated.
Whatever they would pay me is notgoing to be enough to change my
life, So the money doesn't meananything in this regard. I am very

(49:37):
protective of my time and the factthat you know, what's our favorite trips.
Our favorite trips are the ones wherewe have nothing planned. And what's
our favorite days where we have nothingto do when we figure it out on
the day of Okay, now,what if I told you your whole life
now you have to have nothing plannedand you could just do whatever you want.
I mean, it's amazing. Iwish I had that. So why

(49:57):
you're telling me to go back towork. I was in Greece for two
and a half weeks. I kindof still have that mentality of looking at
the ocean and eating Greek salads.So I'm kind of like still in that
mentality. Maybe if you ask meinto a couple of weeks. I think
it's time to summarize tonight's show.Half the time I'm self deprecating. I'm
making fun of myself so that whenI want to brag about myself, I

(50:22):
can do it. You know,I used to be important. Nobody sees
me anymore. People don't like me. This that I do that all the
time, and I'm part of itis so I have the right to brag.
I am a smart guy. Ido a radio show that's unique,
and it's smart, and it's clever. And if you take the time to

(50:44):
listen, but more importantly to hear, if you take the time to look,
but more important to see, you'llbe better for it. This show.
If you listen to the it bitslost in a sentence, there are
gems. So when I get yourcomments, all of you out there,

(51:07):
friends and foes, think about whatyou're saying. Did you miss the point
you're getting what I'm saying. Doyou enjoy the show for the purity of
it, for the diverse set ofsubjects. Do I open your minds to
sometimes thinking about things you might nothave thought about. Did you learn something?

(51:29):
Well, if you did, stopcriticizing me. I don't want to
hear it. I'm on the darkside. Go bother someone else, or
go get your own show. Goodnight,