Impropriety

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Who is Mark Webber. He's aself made business executive here to help you
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Paris. His global success story inthe luxury world of fashion is inspiration off.
He's gone from clerk to CEO twice. Mark is classic proof that the
American dream is alive. And well, here's your host of Always in Fashion,
Mark Webber. Mark Webber. It'snot easy being honest. Let's face

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it. There's just too many temptations. But what choice do you have?
I, for one, I'm Dudley, do right. I can't do anything
wrong. I've got to live withmyself. I got to be able to
sleep at night. But fast money, fast solutions, cutting corners. You
can never underestimate the other guy's greed, big egos, big plans. The
rules don't apply, you think toyou, but we've all thought it.

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The problem with thinking you can getaway with the lies, no one will
no worse. You know, youknow when you've been compromised, your innocence
is lost forever. Honesty is areward unto itself, a gift you give
yourself. The value of putting yourhead on the pillow at night and seeping
soundly is priceless. Not having toremember two stories, the lie and the

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truth. There's also a pressure youdon't need in your life. They are
no secrets among people. Once you'recompromised, it's a life sentence. Doing
the right thing when no one's lookingis a definition of honesty. It's really
simple, but incredibly hard. Itmust be because we're surrounded by so many
people who are lying and doing thewrong things. It must be impossible.

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Considering the state of affairs in ourcountry now, I have to admit I'm
sick to my stomach. I'm depressedlistening and watching the government tear itself apart.
We have a front row seage watchingour politicians use our legal system to
ruin each other and destroy our credibilityas a nation. And if you could

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say it even worse, the restof the world is watching. Our allies
are praying for us to get ouract together. Our enemies are salivating at
our self in both stupidity. Napoleonwas famous for saying, never interrupt your
enemy while he's making mistakes. Thenews cycles move so rapidly, Yeah,
he's a liar. Then you moveon to the next conversation. How many

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people we've caught lying in politics?And just move on forget it? But
the next day is here? Everyday? What's going on here? Is
it okay to lie? When didlying become okay? The president lied this
week? I heard one commentators say, a small one. That's not a
legal basis for impeachment, just alie. It's okay for the president to

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lie to us. I subscribe togovernments having the right to manage. Okay,
everything's not our business. They couldshare with us what they want to
share, leave out any facts theydon't feel we need to know if they're
aliens out there and they don't thinkwe should know, so be it.
That's their business. They don't tellus the whole story of COVID. They're
trying to protect us their business.But when you're lying, when the president

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stands up and lies, that doesn'twork. He loses integrity, You lose,
We all lose. Business is thesame Company's not a democracy. You
don't get to vote what goes on. CEO is not obligated to tell you
what he's doing and why. Themanagers they make decisions. Not everything's your

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business. Nowhere does it say youhave to share every detail when they are
the boss. Though, you needto be honest. You'll lose that honesty
you go down with the ship.You shake hands with your customers, for
example, you have to honor youragreement. Lose that, you lose it
all. Yeah, I'm a bitof a boy scout. I get it.
Tony montana Escoff. They say allI have is and my word.

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I don't break them from no one. My word is my bond. I'll
honor what I say. I expectyou to do the same. That's what
makes business worth while. That's whyyou can trust people. No one does
business with people they can't count onto honor their agreements. It's overt We
act with integrity, it's often stated, but if not, it's expected.

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You go to a store, youknow if you don't like what you buy,
you could return it. The keyto online shopping is the ability to
return things and get a refund.Restaurants we promise our food is healthy.
Cars we promise they're safe and reliable. You buy a stock from the stock
market, you're protected that the CEOand CFO statements and reporting adhere to a

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standard of honesty and integrity. Andthen the government, the laws, the
rules, the statutes, the controls, the president, you can count on
them. And yet the former presidentof the United States and the President of
the United States are both compromised.They're both under scrutiny, one indicted and

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the other under the threat of impeachment. It's a mess. It used to
be back in the day, asit said you needed to be squeaky clean.
Not anymore. But I say eventhe appearance of impropriety is a problem,
and even the appearance of improprietors thestandard we can't seem to maintain inappropriate.

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Knot what to do or not happyabout it or not. After tonight,
no more politics for me, butI feel compelled to talk about honesty
and integrity and living a simple life. Now joining me on a search for
truth, justice and the American way. My lawyer, my co host,
my son Jesse Weber, sounded likeSuperman right there. Yeah, little plagiarism,

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that's where it's from very good.Well, when you talk about politics,
I think everybody knows what I doevery day. Hey, wait a
minute, Wait a minute before wegive a serious answer. You quote me
on the American way, But whatabout never underestimate the other guy's greed?
Where is that from? That's fromscarface? Okay, I just thought i'd
bring it up, although he saidit a little bit different. Never underestimate

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the omaguist greed. No, itwas funny because I was listening to you
talk about politics, and I thoughtthat I saw the worst As the host
of the Long Crime Network. Ithought I had a front row seat to
the nasty, true crime, thedark side of this world. I was
wrong. American politics is worse.It's worse now than I think it's ever
been, and so we have tothank the American legal system for holding us

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together a little bit. Right,Really, that's your position. I could
argue that the legal system has beenweaponized. It's like second Avenue. It's
one way right now. Well,if we're going to have the conversation,
you have to decide if you wantto discuss this the way things are or
the way things look, because that'stwo different things. That's fair you've got

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to be the smart one he had. But you have to grant me their
often perception is reality. Well,then you have to grant me that the
law is different than the court ofpublic opinion. Now perfect, This is
brilliant, the truth versus perception.That's the way they'll draw all the lines
tonight. And why don't we startright out with politics and get it out
of the way. Donald Trump,Donald Trump has hated but as policies,

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America first, peace, negotiated tradeagreements to get a fair shot for America.
He provided prosperity for all of us. There's no inflation. He controlled
the border. He took a hardstance with our allies and NATO and said,
you want us to help you,you have to help us, and
you have to pay you a fairshare. He had to stare down with

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China and made them promise to dothe right thing. And where is Donald
Trump? What happened to him?He never got a fast shape. His
election was tampered with for three years. He suffered through Russia collusion. Then
he got him peach for the exactthings that Biden did, and he didn't
Who could blame him for feeling hewas cheated out of his presidency, the

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whole idea that everything was rigged.It's amazing, and here he is being
hounded for everything and what did hedo? Okay, well, first,
let me just do a little disclaimerhere. Number one. I hate to
see the former president indicted, letalone indicted for a third time. I
think it's terrible for the country.And I think it's terrible when you even

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talk about him peaching Biden. That'snot something I want to see. I'd
rather go back to the real issues, the real debate. I think it's
really ugly to see it. Okay, I don't think it's good for the
country. Now. Having said that, I hear everything you just said,
but that doesn't give former President DonaldTrump the license to just do whatever it
is he wanted to do. Andwhat he is accused of doing in this

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latest indictment is really really bad.It's really bad. Did you read this?
Of course not? Well, wherewould you like me to start?
Would you like me to give youa quick synopsis of what it's about.
I want you to convince the audiencethat he deserves to be on trial because
I think he'd done some of thegreatest things I could ever Remember, a

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president doing policy is policy, butin terms of whether or not he did
something illegal, even if you're thebest president, you still can't break the
law. Now, I'm glad theway that you phrased it. You didn't
say convince everybody that he should beconvicted. You said convince everybody that there
should be a trial. Okay,this is a prosecutor. I'm talking about
Jack Smith, who has prosecuted somemajor cases. He is not a diehard

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lefty. Hey wait a minute,he's got a bad beard. I don't
trust him right away, bad bearddecide. Okay, this was an investing
that was going on for a longtime, and they brought in a number
of witnesses. They had former Vicepresident Mike Pence testify in front of this
grand jury. And I heard Pencesay it one day that he didn't think

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these were criminal activities. Okay.Pence was careful because he didn't want to
go on the bad side of Trump. He didn't want to lose Trump's base.
But he testified in front of agrand jury. He's not gonna lie
under oath. He said that Trumpand the co conspirators of Trump who haven't
been named, but we can guesswho they are. They basically pressured him

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to illegally intervene in the electoral process, to basically stop the certification process where
Congress gets all of the electoral votesand they take those votes. They tallily
him up. It's going to beBiden. Who's the rightful winner. These
said that Trump wanted him to illegallyintervene and stop the process even though there
was no actual evidence of election fraudnothing. Well, let me ask or

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did he leely intervene? Or heasked if it was possible to slow up
the process because he believed what wasdone was illegal. When Penn said him,
listen, mister president, I don'thave the authority to do that,
Trump came back allegedly and said,you're too honest. Then this whole fake
electors scheme. So the idea wasthat Trump and his co conspirators, this

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is the accusation, they were goingto put aside the electors that were supposed
to vote for Biden and institute theirown electors that they knew weren't legitimate.
This isn't talked about enough in theindictment. Pence says that when there was
a discussion between him and Trump,about, well, we have two options
here. One we could get theseelectors put in place and keep them on

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hold until we win our lawsuits,or we unilaterally use our electors and replace
the Biden electors, which is totallyillegal, and Trump allegedly said I prefer
that option. So that signifies tome that Trump knew that this wasn't legitimate
or legal and wanted to do itanyway. But you're going to put him

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on trial for something he wanted todo that he didn't do. He's charged
with conspiracy and obstruction. That doesn'tnecessarily mean you had to complete the act.
It's the planning to do something.It's the attempt to get something done.
So even though he didn't stop theelection, the attempts that he allegedly
engaged in, that's criminal enough.All right, let me ask you a

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question. You don't think the governmentengages every single day and what ifs and
would haves and could have should haveideas that may or may not be illegal,
and they never put them in place. Trump had every right to speak
to his advisers, to go onTwitter, to speak to the media and
say this was a fake election.I wanted investigated. I don't believe that

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I lost. He had every rightto do that. But when he took
actions like this elector scheme, orwhen he tried to get his own attorney
general put in place to back thisup, or when he tried to pressure
state officials to change the votes,or when he tried to get Pence to
step in, those are the actionsthat are criminal. There's one thing to
just discuss it and try to investigateit and look into it. But it's

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when you take steps to actually changesomething and break the law. That's where
he got himself into trouble. Allegedly. Listen, he's got defenses. He'll
go to trial, maybe a jurywill side with him. Well, is
that the toughest part of the caseof the indictment. The toughest part is
trying to get into Trump's mind.What did he intend to do? Now
he'll say, I didn't care whatanybody was telling me. I was listening

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to John Eastman and I was listeningto Giuliani. These are the people that
I trusted. The problem with thatis there's evidence to suggest he didn't even
believe them, and he knew thatthis was all false, but he was
just trying to stay in power.Now he'll also say I never was a
part of this plan. My attorneyswere just doing things on their own,
or I never thought about fake electors. I just had them in place in

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case I want to a lawsuit.Again, the problem is that wasn't what
he really intended. So it's goingto be up to a jury to decide
what was his intent. He believedthat the Tree had an illegal election.
He believed that the people didn't getBill Will. He could believe it.
He could file every kind of lawsuitthat he wants. He did, he
kept losing. He can investigate nothingcame out of it, but you can't

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take steps to take matters into yourown hands and try to take the election
back. That's the problem, theappearance of improprieties. What's going on here?
It doesn't seem even handed. JoeBiden fired the prosecutor from Barisma.
No, needn't fire prosecutor from Barisma. He've tried to get the prosecutor from
Ukraine fired because he was investigating Barizma. Sorry, he wasn't investigating. Look,

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I agree with you. The titleof this show is perfect for Biden
because when you talk about was Bidencorrupt? Was Biden on the take.
There's no concrete evidence, but theappearance of it. After this guy,
Devin Archer testified and said that whohad worked with Hunter Biden and said the
Hunter put Joe on the phone overtwenty times, said he didn't discuss any

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actual business with his son, wasn'tpart of any of the deals. It's
not going to satisfy a lot ofpeople. They're gonna think looks like Joe
Biden wasn't being honest and it lookslike Joe Biden was a part of this.
Well, that Joe Biden narrative wentfrom I've never had a conversation with
my son about his business matters,and he ran on that when he was
challenged when he was running for electionto now, I never signed any deals

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or I never did business with anyof Hunter Biden's associates. Those are two
very different things. All of asudden, that seems like a straight out
lie, and that's okay. Well, politicians lie all the time. Biden
lies, Trump lies, everybody lies. It's just a question of whether or
not that lie is illegal or impeachable. Look, I believe that he was

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his presidency was taken away from himunder nonsense. I think starting with the
FISA warrant, that it's been proventhey all did it, they knew it
was a lie, that Hillary's campdid it, That nothing has ever been
done. The fact that Hillary Clintonburnt thirty three thousand emails and Trump is
being indicted for what happened in Marrowlago. This entire behavior about Biden,

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the entire behavior about everyone, certainlymakes it look like the scale of justice
is not even on both hands,and it is really ugly. I don't
know about that Hunter Biden. Wefound out last week he's still being investigated
by the FEDS. Look, nobodycares about Hunter Biden. You know,
I care more about him. Adamshifts, standing up and rereading the letter,

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writing in his own way to provethat Trump did an illegal phone call
with the Ukrainians. It adds upto a country who's in a mess right
now. And the whole thing stemsfrom lack of trust, lack of respect,
lack of dignity, lack of integrity, lack and lack and lack.
I see no good things coming outof any of this. And the truth

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is what everyone forgot. The problemwith the election in twenty twenty, it
was all done by mail the problemhim as no one was used to one
hundred and seventy million people voting andit changed everything, and everyone seems to
have forgotten. It used to behow to get up the morning of the
election, go in and wait online, put your vote in place, and

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go to work or do whatever you'regoing to do. And now they made
it from the ease of home andit changed the dynamic and everyone is confused.
And that is the biggest issue facingour electorate. What was the impact
of mail in voting? In myview? Now I go back to Trump
so we can close this out.Is this a good case against him?

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And is it fair that it's goingon? Is it fair that it's going
on? As I said, Idon't want a president being charged. I
don't like it. But having saidit, taking all the allegations in this
indictment is true, it's really badfor him. I actually think if this
went to trial, I'd like tosee what the defense is. There is
a strong chance he'd be convicted.I think that with Marlago he probably has

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less of a defense, and that'sa bad case too. I don't think
New York should have been brought Ithink that's a weak case. But this
is not good for Trump, I'lltell you that much. Is there any
chance it won't go to trial.There's always a chance it won't go to
trial. There's always something that couldblow it up. Having said that,
it also becomes a question of whenit goes to trial. Why do I
say that I don't think this isgoing to happen. This trial is going

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to happen before the election. Andif he becomes president and this trial hasn't
started yet, there is talk thathe would get his Justice Department to drop
the case against him. There's alsotalk that if he gets convicted and he
becomes president, he'll pardon himself.There's a lot of moving factors right now,
in a lot of uncertainty. Thisis a mess. As the middle

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of the road guy or a guywho has les left for social issues right
for hardcore. It doesn't seem fairto me. Who cares what he did?
He wasn't successful doing any of thiscrap. What's the point? It
didn't happen? Everything worked itself outfor the good, maybe because cool heads
prevailed and people with integrity did whatthey was supposed to do and nothing happened

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by it other than they ruined hispresidency while he was there, and he
has made the country miserable ever sincehe lost. I say, chuck it,
move on and let's find out ifour current president has done anything wrong.
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Mark Webber. Even the appearance ofimpropriety is a problem in our society.
That's a fancy way of saying thatperception could often be the reality. Our
country's a mess right now. Aformer president is under indictment. Current president
we're thinking about impeaching him, whichby the way, is not new,

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and I want it, and I'msure I'm not the only one. Once
you started peaching one side, theother start impeaching. We'll ever get out
of this. Every time someone doessomething a little off color, boom,
we have a problem. I'm sickof it. I don't even want to
talk about this anymore except to saythat be careful what you wish for the
world is not second aven. You'rerunning one way. Just you think we're

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gonna have to get back to normal. I think when aliens attack us and
we all become united, that's probablywhen we'll all go back to normal.
I mean, did you see duringthose UFO hearings that both Republicans and Democrats,
it was like a bipartisan issue.They were all interested in what was
happening there about UFO transparency. Ittakes something like that for us to be

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unified and normal. It's not normalto have public hearings on a subject like
that. They should sit in aprivate room and be told what's going on,
or a select group of people shouldbe told what's going on. It's
not our business. I don't wantto know until they're ready to tell me,
until they have super weapons that cantake care of those aliens, or
if you need to, or ifthey're nice guys. Okay, but I

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don't want to know about it now. It's not giving away our secrets as
of yet. It's not saying ifthey're aliens or not. It's just saying
there's something up there. There arecertain things that may or may not be
our business. You know, you'rea married guy. Now, you can't
tell your wife everything that somebody says. I would tell her about aliens.
I just think they should decide whatthey want to do and do it.

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I don't think in life and businessand politics government, you have to tell
everybody everything. Now, if it'sgetting to a point that they can't hide
it anymore, and sooner or laterthese guys are going to be walking down
Fifth Avenue, then you might beat the point where you have to say
something. But short of that,I don't need to know everything. I
don't need to know everything. Andit's a problem telling everyone because most people

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is stupid. And speaking about stupidity, Tonight's show is about honesty and integrity,
and I want to talk about theidea of business and whether or not
the appearance of impropriety is a problem. I always a street kid. I
grew up in Brooklyn. I thoughtI was smart. I thought I was
aware of what was going on aroundme. When I got to the business

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world, I realized how naive Ireally was. I've considered it an un
earth that I've grown up in corporateAmerica now and I could speak with authority
on how things work, what obligationswe have as corporate office to share information,
the threat of jail for not sharinginformation accurately or lying about corporate company's

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behaviors. I mean, those arescary things, and whether out of act
of fear and this self preservation ordoing the right thing, public companies have
to behave a certain way. ButI was always naive enough. Forget.
When I was a young guy andI met your mom. Her father was
in business, and I had avision of working for him. You know,

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I grew up humble beginnings, andhe had this big, successful manufacturing
business. I always envisioned maybe gettinga shot that way. You know,
how else was I going to besuccessful. I had no plans, I
had no confidence, and Mommy alwayssaid to me right away, you will
never be in my father's business.So when I decided that I wanted to

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marry mommy, and when I wentto talk to her parents, I said,
sir, ma'am, I'm in lovewith your daughter and i'd like to
marry her. I would like yourblessing. And they said absolutely, Mark,
I love you. You're a greatguy and great now I could sell
my business, and Mommy was right. I never had a shot, thank

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god, because I turned out tobe pretty good in doing this. But
why am I even mentioning this.I'm mentioning it because my father in law,
when he said he wanted to sellhis business, he said something that
I'll never forget, and it wasthe strangest thing I ever ever heard.
He says, I want to sellmy business because I can't deal with the
buyers anymore telling me what I haveto give them. I said, what

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do you mean? Said they cometo me before Christmas and tell me what
I have to buy them radio,TV, special systems, And he just
wanted no part of that. Andit was my first experience with dishonesty in
business, at least hearing it andstarted to make me wonder. And as

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I joined Public America again, Iwas very naive and I really didn't wrongdoing
going on. But I have tothink back and ask myself whether or not
I just was naive. I remember, after a very long time of my
company chasing Sears, we had neverdone business with Sears. Ever, our

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major competitor was a Sears supplier.Anytime they wanted shirts with a branded named
Sears would buy their brand. Theywould never entertain our brand, and over
the course of time we tried sohard to meet sears, and at one
particular time we got an appointment witheither the buyer, the Ben's merchandise manager,

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the general manager. He agreed tocome to our offices and he said,
I'll have a meeting, but Iwant a small meeting. Never thought
twice of it. During the courseof the meeting, I pitched him on
buying the van using brand and helistened patiently. I gave Hi all the
reasons why he should have alternatives toother brands, what made our company special,

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what made our brand special, andI'll not forget. He looked at
me and he said, Mark,do you know two rows, four shelves,
small, medium lodge, extra lodgecould make or break a person's career.
That if I agreed to give youtwo rows on four shelves, you're

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talking about millions and millions and millionsof dollars. What do I need you
for? All these years later onthe radio talking about that, I think
back, and I wonder whether ornot he was saying, you have to
take care of me. If I'mgoing to give you those two rows and

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four shelves now, why, Becausetonight I'm thinking about what's appropriate and inappropriate
in the appearance of impropriety. Henever said anything outright, but maybe someone
else who was and as Dudley doright as me, someone who didn't understand
anything, maybe someone who did understandthe laws of the world might have understood
that he was sending a signal.So I've always been naive about this,

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and I always knew there was away to behave I always knew, very
very clearly. I used to dothis with Jesse and my other son,
JAREDY used to sit on the chair. I would spread my legs, I
would draw an imaginary line between mytwo legs. I would pat one knee
and say, I don't know ifthis leg is being promoted tomorrow, or

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I pat the other leg and I'dsay, I don't know whether this leg
is being fired. I don't ownthis chair that I sit in, and
because of that, I am verycareful. I'm very measured, and I
think to a great deal about theway I behave when I'm in this seat
and the things that I do.And that's not a bad lesson for anyone.
When you work for companies, youdo not own that chair, and

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it's to remember that. And Ialways was very quiet about this. I
talked about this in my book.It was called Pearls of Wisdom. I
as a young man, We're doingmajor million dollar deals. What made it
unique was not only did I figureout a system where I would travel the

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world and negotiate on behalf of mycompany by myself. There were often people
from our foreign offices there, butI was the decision maker. I didn't
need sign off. If I wantedto do a deal for five million dollars,
I could do a deal for fivemillion dollars. I wanted to deal
a deal for ten minutes, Ididn't have to sign off. And one
in particular was with a great Japanesetrading company, one of, if not

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the largest Japanese trading company at thetime. I did a deal with in
Japan for ten million dollars worth offabric. I basically put them in this
business. They had this idea fora cotton fabric that was permanent press,
was a blend, and no oneever made these fabrics before they had just

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become available in the United States.They were very expensive, and here I'm
in Japan looking to see whether ornot I could have a version of this
blended fabric seventy percent cotton, thirtypercent polyus they could be permanent press.
And I found it that this Japanesetrading company made the deal. They had
at the time a US representative whoalways was in the meetings when I was

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there. So I was there MarkWebber with an Asian representative from my office
in Asia, and they were therein Japan with an American representative, and
they felt that I would be morecomfortable dealing with an American as well as
the Japanese. It didn't matter excepthe knew our customs. At the end
of the deal, it was amazing. I called back New York. I
told him we did the deal.They were thrilled. We found a fabric

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we would be competitive. It's lessexpensive. That was in the United States,
a huge deal. And I remembercelebrating, go out to dinner,
and I came back that night tomy hotel room and the little light on
my phone it was lit up.Called the operator mush you missay, mister
Webber, you have a package.Package comes up ten minutes later and there

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I see this incredible blue velvet packageand I opened it up and inside it
says Mickey Moto with white silk andin there is a beautiful Mickey Moto necklace,
bracelet and earrings. Now I amnaive and I have no idea what
this is, but I know MickeyMoto pearls are worth a fortune. At

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that time, I've got to saythat thing was worth at least twenty five
thousand dollars, maybe one hundred thousanddollars for all I know. And in
it it's a card and the cardis from the company I did to deal
with that day and said, thankyou, mister Webber, we appreciated I
hope you find this a beautiful giftto give to your wife. The American
signs his name on the company letterhead. Even though I was willing, if

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I knew this was a problem,I'd just been given a gift I shouldn't
been given. Was it a bribe? No, because I already did the
deal. But should I be receivinggifts for deals? Even though it was
innocent? I did nothing, alreadymade the deal. Could you imagine the
look of impropriety if someone would findout I accepted Mickey Moto pearls ruined my

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life. I called immediately the guyfrom New York. I had his card,
and I said to him, theAmerican. I said, what is
this? He says, oh,we just wondered if they thank you.
It's a Japanese way they give gifts. What are you doing here? How
could you possibly send this to me? You crazy? I can't accept this,
he said, Mark, We're inJapan. What do you care.
I said, you listen to me. I am not accepting this. I'm

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going down to the front desk andtaking this package, having them wrap it
up, and I'm going to leaveit, and I'm putting your name on
it because I will never touch itagain. He said, Mark, you
don't have to do that. Soyou listen to me. You're American.
You should know that this is compromisedthat I refused to get involved with.
I go back to my room.I called the president of my company.

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I said, I need to alertyou to something. I don't want to
have any misunderstanding. I went outafter the deal with the people from the
company and I was thrilled. Wehad a nice dinner. I came back
to my room. I noticed mymessage light on. I called it.
There was a package for me thatwe delivered the package to my room and
it was a set of Mickey Motivepearls. I don't know. It's a
bracelet and necklace and earrings. It'sgot to be worth tens of thousands of

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dollars. It's incredible, and Iwanted you to know that I've rejected it.
I've returned it. I don't wantany record whatsoever, anybody even thinking
for a minute that I would accepta gift on behalf of the work that
I have done. And he wasquiet for a second, and he said,
Mark, when it comes to you, there would never be any confusion.

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We know who you are, wetrust you emphatically, and you calling
us was the right think to do. I appreciate it. I appreciate your
actions, and don't worry. We'vegot your back. Can you imagine if
I accepted this. Could you imaginethe next time I'm in Japan and I'm
negotiating with five different trading companies fora particular item, and these guys walking

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into me reminding me that they gaveme those pearls. Can you imagine what
it would feel like having to givethem the business because I'm compromised. How
many people do you think actually wouldhave recognized the problem there, and how
many people you think would take itI would answer you this way, that

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foreign governments focus their entire recruiting businessby trying to compromise people with women,
with gifts, with behavior. Thisis their business, spy agencies finding people
that they can compromise. Maybe Isaw too many movies, Maybe the fact
that I have parents who chought meright from wrong. Maybe the fact that

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I was married to a woman whodidn't take any nonsense and always knew what
was right wrong. And maybe Iwas just a good guy. Whatever the
case may be, I knew thatI could not compromise myself. I could
not put a life sentence on myselfthat these guys would own me. The
answer to your question one, Ihave no idea how many people would behave

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that way. Two, I pitythe ones who have taken the pearls.
And three maybe by listening to meto this story tonight, you'll know better.
By the way, in Final Annalysis, the American from the company called
me the next day, asked tosee me and sat with him. He
came to meet me in the lobby. I was having a Japanese tea and
he said, look, I haveto apologize. It's my mistake. I

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should have never approached you with thegift. We didn't need anything by it.
The company only had good intentions.We appreciated by understand your position.
I apologize and thank you for returningit. All said and done, did
the right thing, protected my future, protected my life, protected my honesty,
integrity, because even the appearance ofimpropriety, there is a problem.

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I'll take a break. I'll beback in a minute. Always in Fashion
spent a lifetime of my career buildingthe van Usen brand, and I am
so pleased that they're back with usnow talking about suits, men, we're
dressing up again, and it's becomecool to wear a suit. Suits can
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You can find Vanues in cool FlexMen's stretched suits at JC Penny are
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at them. Welcome back to Alwaysin Fashion. Here's your host, Mark
Webber. Even the appearance of improprietyis a problem. That's another way of

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saying. Perception is reality. Andif you do wrong things, or even
if you don't do wrong things,if it looks like you're doing wrong,
it's a problem. Now, Igrew up in corporate America. Thank God
for that. I have always appreciatedrules. Where would we be without rules
in this world? Can you imagine? Now? Don't get me wrong,

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I don't like being told what Ican't do. Anytime you tell me something,
no I can't do this or Ican't do that, I'll do everything
I can to figure out a wayto solve that problem and get what I
want. The choice in this worldis to do the right thing or not,
and my experience with public companies havealways been do the right thing.

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I have a great story that hasto do with watches. I'm a watch
guy like watches, but that's notwhat this is about. I was working
at LVMH and LVMH so you knowhas their own watch division. Of course,
if VITONE has their own watches,they own tag Hire, they own

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you Blow. But they also ownedZenith and I knew them because at one
point Zenith was making all the chronographicalmovements for Rolex and I knew about it.
So that's what I knew about Zenith. And when I joined the LVMH
company, I went to see Zenithand I was disappointed because all the watches

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were gizmos. There too many stuffgoing on. It was all complex,
nothing simple. You couldn't buy abeautiful, simple watch from them, and
I was taken aback by and Idon't never forget. The managing director of
LVMH happened to be in the UnitedStates. We are having a financial meeting
on some of the companies I wasrunning, and we got into a conversation
about stuff. When you see lately, Mark, what's on your mind?

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I said, you know, it'sinteresting you say that. I have been
with the Zenith team. I metwith them in their offices. I went
to this store. It seems tome that everything's convoluted. They don't have
any simple, beautiful, elegant watchesand it's something you want to look at.
He says, don't walk they havestuff, okay, jus test me
and I told him. Boom.Fast forward three months later, managing director

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LVMH is back in New York byhaving our meeting. He thanks me for
whatever, and it takes out abox from his briefcase and hands it to
me and I said, what's this? He said, open it up.
I opened it up and it's abeautiful, elegant, detailed, simple,
beautiful Zenith watch. Looks like it'sworth a hundred thousand dollars, gorgeous watch,

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and he said, Mark management,the company appreciates what you're doing.
We wanted to give you this asa president, and thank you for calling
out the issues on Zenith. Theydo have some watches that are very simple,
but not enough, and I appreciateyour input. I took the watch
and I brought it home. Ihad it fitted for myself and I started
wearing it to the office. Itwas gorgeous and to this day, I
still wear it and I love it. I remember at the end of that

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year, I'm doing my taxes andI'm looking at all my W two forms
and all my different tax things,and I noticed on the lumh W two
there is eleven thousand dollars that Ican't fathom what it is, and there
was enough other charges for thousands ofdollars that I can't get. And I

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called the Human Resource Department. Isaid, I got to check, and
I have these charges in I don'tknow what they are. Can you find
out for me? And sure enough, the financial group called me back and
they explained to me that the eleventhousand dollars was for the Zenith watch and
the other charges were from the Toneand other divisions that I got product from.

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They wanted me to wear the productsof the company, so they gave
me a clothing allowance or a jewelryallowance. I am bag allowance, whatever
it was, and I would usethose things for myself and my wife.
I'd pay for it and they payme back. Why is it on my
W two phone? Because the waythe tax laws work, they just can't

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give me gifts. They can't allowme to have products. It's income.
So there I was getting all thisstuff for free, and in the end
it wasn't because it was taxable.But I did appreciate that. Again,
I could put my head in apillow at night and sleep because even the
appearance of impropriety was taken care ofby those guys, and I appreciate It'll

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take a break back in a moment. Always in fashion. I've been shopping
for fun lately, and while I'mout, I always look at men's and
I look at women's. What's goingon? And I was particularly interested in
Decay and Why because of their sponsorshipof the show. I went downstairs at
Macy's thirty fourth Street to look around, and I saw Decay active where and

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I promise you, ladies. Itis sensational, from the sports braus to
the crop tops, to the leggingsand the sweats. It really is a
great look. And Decay Andy hadbegun as an all American brand dressing casual
clothes engines, and the stuff looksincredible and right now the colors and the
styles is so siding that I feelgreat about the company. I always do.

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I wear the men's wear all thetime. I've had situations where I've
gone to big events and been interviewedin TV or the radio, and someone
comes up to me in the microphoneand like they always do, who you
wearing? And here I am,this big shot with big company and they
said, well, I'm wearing aDKNY and they laugh and say, no,
you're not. Actually have one onthe internet where you could see me.

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They asked me what suit I'm wearing, and I say dec and Y
and opened it up and there's theDCNY label. Great fashion, It fits
well, it looks right. It'sdesigned to make you comfortable in the city,
goes from day and to night.You can wear it in the morning
and wear in the afternoon and youlook cool at night as well. It's
great for the office as great Felisia. But I was talking about the dcmy

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active ware. The first time Ireally became aware of that. Jesse and
I were up at Sirius Radio.He was doing a job for Sirious.
He does Dan Abrams show, hefills in on the Potus Network, and
we're in the lobby and this hiphop group came up. Well, this
really great looking Latino singer girl young, beautiful, and she's wearing a dkm

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Y sports bar and I said tomyself, this is amazing. Actually went
to Macy's to see it, andI'm excited about the brand. And I'll
tell you why. Ladies. DkY always has great fashion for work,
always wonderful dresses and things that you'dwear. Their accessories are great, the
shoes are always very cool. Butactivewear in particular right now looks sensational.
And being that everyone's affleisure in activewear, it's a great time DCMY go take

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You can explore the car Lagofel collectionat Karligofeld Paris dot com. But it's
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what's happening and what catches my attention, what would make me feel good to
wear now. I don't wear thewomen's wear obviously, but I can appreciate
it and may look amazing. Ifyou want to look right, you want

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to have clothes that fits you well. You want to look like you're wearing
something that's very expensive, that's exclusivefor you and yours. You can find
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(48:37):
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or Karlfel dot com. Welcome back, Joe Always in Fashion. Here's your

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host, Mark webber tonight's show.Is even the appearance of impropriety, even
just looking like you did something wrongis bid in public life. Jesse,
I'm going to give you the lastword. I am a fan of Donald
Trump. I feel that his policieshelped the country. I believe that he's
being unfairly targeted and attacked. Ibelieve the government is acting unilaterally against Trump

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and doesn't deal with other people inthe same fair way. Please tell me
where I'm wrong. This isn't abouthis policies. And I know they say
it's a two tiered system and thatBiden's getting favorable treatment and Trump is not.
It's two different cases, two differentsituations, and you have to look
at each one specifically. Look,we'll see what happens with his legal cases.

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It looks like he's about to behit with a fourth indictment. People
are going to look at this andsay, of course it's political, that's
what it looks like. But I'ma lawyer, and I look at each
fact. I look at each case, and I'm going to see how it
goes. And legally speaking, itdoesn't look great for him. But we
know that there's a lot of timebetween now in the election, and my
advice to everyone stop listening to thenoise on the left and the right.

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Follow the law, Trust the law. That's what we have to do.
And with that, I would sayto you, this is Mark Webber,
no more politics for me. Ican't take it anymore. I have to
be able to sleep at night.I'll deal with other human mutants. Speaking
of which, I saw Oppenheimer great, great movie that I didn't enjoy that's

(50:52):
the best rating in that movie you'reever going to get. It was an
amazing, well crafted movie. Ididn't enjoy any of it. Was it
because of the subject matter? Wasit because of the way they were talking
and how it was all over theplace? What was it? No?
I didn't think anything was all overthe place. What it was was a
deep rooted study in human nature andI don't particularly like humans, and it

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only reinforced it with that as abackdrop. It's great being with you,
Jess, great being with you.Thank you. Unfortunately, a lot of
inappropriate stuff going on right now.With that, good night, We'll talk
to you soon.