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May 6, 2024 9 mins

It happened again. Trump was hit with another gag order and fined another $1000. Is he doing this on purpose or can he not shut his mouth?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Is Trump getting fined again for contempt? I just read
what the judge actually said.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Mmmm.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
So you know last week.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
In his Stormy Daniel's Hush Bunny trial he had for
openness trap and saying something about the judge's daughter, which
is the judge's daughter worked on the Kamala Harris campaign.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
But anyway, Yeah, she was a higher up in Kamala's campaign.
Trump got nine violations thousand dollars each in a warning,
we got a hit again. Now let me read this
from the New York Times, because they've got somebody in
the courtroom and they're live updating while this goes on.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
The judge overseeing the Donald J.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Trump criminal Trump Manhattan rebuked the former president today for
mounting a quote direct attack on the rule of law,
holding him contempt of court for a second time and
threatening to jail him if you continue to break a
gag order. In a moment of remarkable courtroom drama, the
judge addressed Trump personally from the bench, saying that if

(00:58):
there were further violations, he might bypass financial penalties and
place the former president behind bars. Holy crap, you want
an explosion of our politics. The judge acknowledged that jailing
mister Trump was the last thing he wanted to do,
but explained that it was his responsibility to protect the
dignity of the justice soul. Oh that's rich, this kangaroo court,

(01:21):
this monkey trial. The judge said that he understood the
magnitude of such a decision, jailing not only a former president.
That's minor to it to me because the regularly they
say the first time a former president, who cares. It's
the fact that he's the current leading contender to be presidents.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
That's the big deal.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
If you weren't running again, you know, it's interesting, we've
never had a former president.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
But whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
The judge said, he understood the magnitude of such a
decision and that jailing mister Trump would be a last resort.
But he noted, quote, you are the former president of
the United States and possibly the next president as well.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Okay, so that's more of a so you have to
be respectful of the judicial system. It's not a bad argument.
It's ridiculous in this kind of.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
I see what you mean, or what he says he means.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
This reminds me of because the judge is right in
a way, Trump is violating a gag order, and he's
probably crossing the line that you can permit in a
hearing or in a trial. On the other hand, this
trial is utterly political. The charges are ridiculous and probably
unconstitutional in New York, and it's an obscene perversion of
the judicial system. So Trump has to as a he

(02:33):
is practicing civil disobedience. But unlike you know, like the
pro hamas nineteen year old dips social majors in the
nation's quads, Trump is prepared to pay the price.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
To illustrate the point, if.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Martin Luther King hadn't been in the Montgomery jail and
written that letter, the civil rights movement wouldn't have unfolded
as it did. He understood being jailed was important. And
so Trump, I think he's going to end up in
the hoosegal. Well does he want to That's what I
want to ask next. But Trump did say over the

(03:11):
weekend the gag owner, gag order, they won't allow me
to testify, but I'm going to testify anyway. So he's
trying to present this as he's going to defy the
court and testify even though because of the gag order,
he's not allowed to testify, which is not a thing. Right,
that's just completely made up to fire office. But if
I work, Yeah, I'm sorry, I think I used the

(03:32):
term monkey trial. Of course I'm in a monkey court.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Well, no, I will not yield to this monkey court
or whatever this thing.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
This is not a monkey court. So you may be
at this point wondering, well, what did he do? Jack?
How about telling us that that's a good question. What
would you tell us?

Speaker 1 (03:49):
The violation for which he was punished today stemmed from
an incident on April twenty second, when Trump made disparaging
remarks about the jurors during a telephone interview with a
What it says here is a far right media, real
America's voice.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
I don't know real America's voice. Don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
But he was on some radio TV thing. The jury,
he said, had been picked so fast and was mostly
all Democrat. Added, it's a very unfair situation. Well, that
gets to the argument of so Cohen and all these
other different people that are part of the trial can
say endless bad things about Trump, but Trump can't say
anything bad about anybody else.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Although I was just reading that that Cohen is saying
things about the trial and witnesses and all to raise
money on his podcast or something like that.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
He's got a TikTok show at night.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Oh that's so every night he does his TikTok show
about what happened in the courtroom that day. And I
was covering the oj trial. And he's got a whole
bunch of followers and he's making money off of that.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, but in ways that I think have violated court rules,
and that sort of thing got to be he says,
says the constitution.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Lawyers what lawyers.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
But so back to the question of has Trump he
made the decision I was gonna say, with his people,
But I don't think he makes decisions with people. I
think he makes all of his own decisions on his own,
and sometimes it's spurred the moment. Has he made the
decision that getting jailed would be a net.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Plus for him?

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Or I think the the other choice is, let's go
multiple choice. He's so pissed off about this he can't
bring himself to stay quiet. Is this deliberate or is
it Trump's lack of self control?

Speaker 1 (05:28):
That could be It's said here that after the judge
delivered his admonition in which he threatened him with jail time,
mister Trump stared straight at him, blinking but not reacting,
and when the remarks were over, the former president shook
his head.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
I think it's the former I think it's choice A.
I think he is going to continue speaking about speaking
out about how the trial is unfair until they stick
him in jail.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
I think the judge says that's it. I've had enough
one week in jail. Trump in his mind is thinking
if yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, same guy who claimed they tried to gag me
and tell me I can't testify, but I'm going to
testify anyway, as if that's a thing. And the same
guy who used to call up media in New York
passing himself off as John Miller Trump's.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Publicist when it was Trump himself. Oh my god, that's
so great.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Trump has absolutely an instinct to say the least four
pr and getting attention, stirring up the poop. So yeah,
I think he's one hundred percent intending to be jailed, and.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
If it's on something like this that is at least
borderline defendable. Yeah, that's what he's got to do. Yes,
So I wonder how long how would that even work?
If he gets thrown in jail house arrest in Trump Tower,
block off a wing of Riker's Island for Trump and

(06:51):
all the Secret Service agents.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Well this I should know, but don't.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
So if you get thrown in jail for contempt at court,
does your trial stop or does the trial go on
without you there? Or you on TV from jail?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
No?

Speaker 3 (07:03):
I think you show up in court, but then you
go back to jail.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Oh okay, you got to be in the courtroom. And
then when the trial is over, he spend the night
in jail or Trump Tower. It's a home arrest in
Trump Tower. That wouldn't be much of a jail. Can
I get that? Where do I sign up for that?

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah? So this could get so much better better. It's
a constitutional crisis in terms of entertainment. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
So well, let me hit you with one poll number
because I was going to give you poll numbers that's
around this issue before we take a break. Because they
did ask this question in the new ABC poll, support
for Trump if convicted, and they only ask Trump supporters.
People say they're leaning toward voting for Trump, continue to
support eighty percent? Reconsider support sixteen Yeah, reconsider it and

(07:59):
think it was a screw job.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
So I'm still voting for him, and Biden still senile.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
So I think that gets you up to ninety six percent,
which still support him, and you got four percent who
claimed they would no longer support I don't know if
I believe that even But and this.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Is the same trial that when the charges were brought,
they were sorting through the papers and reading it on
MSNBC and CNN saying, wow, this is this is then.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, no way, this is the last time he violates
the gag order.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Not a chance, not a chance.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
I just I hope, and I don't have a lot
of optimism that as this shakes out, the true weakness
and clear political bias and motivation of this trial becomes
clear to most Americans, or at least enough Americans. And
as I've said many times, you want to talk about

(08:53):
the obstruction of justice over the documents, moving stuff around
and locking them in rooms and all. I think the
DOJ has a case, though absolutely so. I'm not like
some knee jerk Trump honk. This case is an obscenity.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
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