Joe's Trump Theory

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here's here's my theory on the question of did Trump
understand what all of his advisers were telling him, other
than drunk Rudy Giuliani and this Eastman character, that no,
you lost the elections over Pence doesn't absolutely not have
the right to overturn it or send all the electors
back to their states. That's just not a thing. And

(00:22):
the question is is Bill Barr right that Trump was
just delusional or not hearing the facts or what. Here's
my theory, And I don't know that it's true, but
I suspect that it is Trump, who, the usual disclaimer,
did some great things as president. I mean, like changed history,

(00:44):
great things, valuable, overdue, bitterly needed things that he did
that nobody else had the balls to do. And I'm
very grateful for that. On the other hand, I think
he's an enormously flawed human being. One of his reps,
as his reputations as a builder a developer, was that

(01:09):
he would hire, for instance, a plumbing contractor to build
to do the plumbing in his casino hotel, whatever, and
then at the completion of the work, he would refuse
to pay the guy what they had agreed to, and
that the guy would have to sue the hell out
of him, blah blah blah, and Trump would try to
get away from pennies on the dollar. He did that
over and over again, to the point that sometimes he
had trouble getting people to do work for him. Um.

(01:32):
And I believe one of the things that that bothered
me about Trump before, during, and after his stay in
the Oval office was that I never got the feeling
that he got the incredible weight of his office, the
incredible importance of protecting the presidency, protecting the country. He

(01:53):
just I don't think he appreciated how delicate it all is,
in the way that JFK. I'm sorry Nixon, who knew
Joe Kennedy had stolen Chicago for JFK that tilted the
election in JFK's favor. Nixon knew that, but he knew
to throw the country into chaos was so dangerous he
would just keep his mouth shut and try again, which

(02:15):
was an incredible active patriotism by Tricky Dick back when
he was a little less tricky anyway, So I've long
believed that Trump just doesn't didn't get the incredible historical
weight of the office, and that he thought I'm gonna
litigate this, just like I litigate paying the plumb and contractor.

(02:37):
I'm gonna string this out. I'm gonna find flaws in
their argument. I'm gonna find weird voting patterns in Arizona
or or or somebody's hitting me with these allegations from Georgia.
I don't know if they're true, but they sound good
enough that we could toss this into court and keep fighting.
Which is why like Eastman, for instance, that the in
my mind, crackpot lawyer who was telling him, oh, yeah, yeah,

(03:00):
there's a constitutional theory that that that Pence can just
declare the election is off and you get to keep office,
which is just looney tunes. But um, I think Trump
just thought, Okay, that's an avenue, that's a tool, that's
a that's a attack we can take. Let's do it,
and then you know, we'll we'll see what that brings

(03:20):
and go from there. I'll get a bunch of clever
lawyers and we'll see if we can litigate this thing.
Not understanding how that would throw the country into chaos,
I mean, like horrifying cast that's my theory of what
he was up to. It makes sense to me,