August 16, 2023 • 9 mins
There is an interesting article from the WSJ about how the diet shots like Ozempic are actually showing that weight has a lot to do with biology. This led into spray tanning talk.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Big Ta's headline from The Wall Street Journal was
the debate is settled over is it willpower or biology
that causes people to be obased that obese. Now the
article worries me a little in that you know, and
I don't think the Wall Street Journal did this, but
it reads like one of the weight loss drugs roted practically,
(00:21):
and that that troubles me. First paragraph being Ozepic and
similar drugs are transforming the world's understanding of obesity. It
isn't so much about willpower, It's about biology. The success
of the powerful new class of diabetes and weight loss
drugs shows how important chemistry is to determining a person's weight.
The brain is the body's chief chemist, regulating appetite and
(00:44):
making it difficult for many people to shed pounds to
keep them off. The brain determines how much fat it
wants people to carry, according to years of research bolstered
by the new drugs, saying that on these new drugs
they are able to combat that dial setting to where
you're not you're just not hung you're just not as hungry,
(01:04):
and you're not eating too much, and you're then that
thermostat setting it gets lowered so you're not Your body
isn't going to full on. We got to get back
to that weight mode, which obviously would be huge. The
new set point lasts as long as the patient is
on the drug. According to the researcher, patients who ate
a lot before they started taking one of the drugs
(01:26):
feel less hungry and fill up more quickly, sometimes after
just one slice of pizza, when they once ate the
whole pie. This is not about willpower or personal choice,
says the doctor that they quote here. This is about
your brain driving behaviors. Yeah, I would not oversimplify it
so much. I wouldn't either, as the headline in that sentence,
(01:47):
that's that's too much. Again, as a guy who struggled
with weight, I believe in the set point thing, and
I thought it was more or less accepted science that
if you gain a certain amount of weight the set
point changes upward. Maybe not, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
But they make the point later in the article that
the obesity epidemic is a product of old stuff and
new stuff. You got your human biology that's evolved over many,
many thousands or millions of years. That's the old stuff.
But then they go into studies that have showed over
and over again that if you eat a diet heavy
(02:21):
in carbs and processed foods as opposed to vegetables, whole grains, fish,
and other unprocessed foods, you're going to gain a lot
of weight.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
So it's both and you have to be realistic.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I have to eat really healthily not to gain weight,
and if I eat really healthily, I can get my
weight down to a pretty healthy level within that set
point and I'm not starving all the time. On the
other hand, I'm not taking my shirt off in public
a lot, except on the beach. Remember I vowed to
become comfortable with fat, tanned beach guy status. I'm still
working on that.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, I'll tell you what you know. I mentioned, I
think earlier in the week that I sprayed tand I'm
going to a large than that.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, it's it's you're a lot more comfortable with your
shirt off if you're tan.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I do like the spray tan regularly. Although why I
spray tanning got such a bad stigma, or does it?
Maybe it's only in my own head. I feel like
it's got a bad stigma, especially like the guys among
the more down to earth like you and your people.
The idea of getting sprayed with paint to look tan
is a little you know, ubilly. On the other hand, well,
(03:30):
maybe the answer is to just don't worry about being tanned.
But on the other hand, taken in some is horrible.
I mean, it's just like it's like it's like smoking
all day or something. It's just a terrible health choice.
Oh yeah, there's no comparison. I mean in terms of
just being healthy. Yeah, go in there and get spray painted.
Wouldn't it make more sense for all twenty somethings out
there who want to be tanned, to spray tan as
(03:52):
opposed to laying in the sun be better.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Or fake baking, which is terrible. I guess is that
what they call spray tann I'm talking about the beds
the tanning pads are terrible.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Oh yeah, I don't know. I don't know why you
would do that. The spray ten I did it because
we had done it. Did you do it or did
I only I do it years ago?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
That was like, no, I've never done it. That was
like twenty five years ago. Somehow it came up.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Maybe it was when that episode of friends was on
and some spray tan place called up and said, hey,
we'll do it for you so you can try it out.
And I went and it was I was pretty orange.
I mean I was.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I was.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I looked like Donald Trump. I was quite orange, and
my hands were orange like I was an orangutang. And
it was just it was though, it's good look. But
so now I've tried it twenty five years later and
it was really good. I mean I was shocked. I
was like, wow, this is I can see why people
do this. I guarantee you lots of people you know
spray tan and you have no idea because it's so good.
Now really yeah, you can have no idea. You can
(04:46):
pick just kind of a little bit or a lot,
or you were you know, on vacation for the weekend
and doesn't do the fingernails and hands and all the stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
That's so weird.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Now it's like a really good how but you you
know people that do it and don't tell you because
they'rembarrassed by I guarantee you.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Wow, now I've got the white sock feed of the
freaking frequent golfer. So like my shins are tanned as
a swimsuit model. Then my feet look like I'm wearing
a fresh new pair of socks.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Morg feet is My son called them.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Morgfeed exactly, So I have I have experimented with various
remedies for that, but none of them have worked. I
tried this the fake bake or the spray, I should say,
but that was years and years ago, and it looked hilarious.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Right right, it's really good now, or at least the
place I went. I think you fully nude Jack when
you did this, or no, I don't know, you can be,
but no, that'd be weird.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Well, especially because there's like a young woman down on
her nose with a hose spraying you standing there in
front of her like a circus elephant. I know, it's
horribly emasculating, degrading. It's it's embarrassing. Back to the overweight thing,
because I was thinking about this on something that came
(05:56):
up last hour. If you took a picture of the
beach from nineteen seventy five and then had a picture
of the beach now, probably the first thing you'd notice
is everybody's thin, like what we would consider model thin
in nineteen seventy five. Everybody mom, dad, kids, everybody is thin,
(06:19):
like in a way that like only your friends who
work out like crazy and eat right are Now that's
the first thing you notice. The other thing would be,
I think everybody be staring at some sort of device
or a lot of people would and now and nobody
was in nineteen seventy five zero.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Obviously you'd have five times as many people smoking back
in the day. Too.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
True, true, But yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
The heaviness thing would absolutely. You know, the point's been
made many times. Take a look at your class picture
from the seventies or eighties or whatever. There is one
kid who might have been a little heavy one. Look
at a modern class picture right fifth grade, say dank it.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
And then when you get into that whole set point thing, know,
your your ship point is probably higher than you want it.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
To be if you're heavy as a kid. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Man, So do you predict that a lots of people
are going to be on these weight loss drugs in
the future. It's going to be like incredibly.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Common, Yes, especially because I think they'll continue to refine
them and make the side effects less prominent and maybe
find better, you know, medicines. But I think so, I'm
not sure that's a great way to approach the obesity epidemic.
But getting everybody to eat a lean chicken breast and
broccoli tonight, that's not gonna happen. So maybe this is
(07:39):
better than having all sorts of people here we go
back to socialism, where it often ends up many people
who are very heavy and therefore have many expensive health
problems that then, you know, translate to higher medical costs
for everybody. Maybe we're better off with ozempic until something
better comes along, because again, exercising three times a week
(08:02):
a week, eating lean mates and many vegetables, it's just
not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I wonder if companies won't start paying for it or
subsidizing it anyway, because in fact, there's an article in
the Wall Street jenneral. Piece about that about how much
it costs and healthcare, especially as you get older, if
you're overweight, I gotta believe it's cheaper for the company
to just give you the weight loss drug than to
deal with all your other health problems.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Oh, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, when I'm at my lower weights, my blood pressure
is lower, my joints feel better.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Just to everything that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
We could be looking at the beach picture we are
just discussing here in five years looking more like nineteen
seventy five than twenty twenty two, but the.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Modern version will have more spontaneous and uncontrollable bowel movements
according to some of the side effects.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Is that a side effect of these drugs.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I don't know about this one, but I was mainly
going for the last.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Spontaneous and uncontrollable is not what I'm looking for.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
No, No, like how spontaneous boy Joe is so spontaneous Dan, right,
I mean that wouldn't be good. For instance, you're blowing
is not what I'm looking for.
The Big Ta's headline from The Wall Street Journal was
the debate is settled over is it willpower or biology
that causes people to be obased that obese. Now the
article worries me a little in that you know, and
I don't think the Wall Street Journal did this, but
it reads like one of the weight loss drugs roted practically,
(00:21):
and that that troubles me. First paragraph being Ozepic and
similar drugs are transforming the world's understanding of obesity. It
isn't so much about willpower, It's about biology. The success
of the powerful new class of diabetes and weight loss
drugs shows how important chemistry is to determining a person's weight.
The brain is the body's chief chemist, regulating appetite and
(00:44):
making it difficult for many people to shed pounds to
keep them off. The brain determines how much fat it
wants people to carry, according to years of research bolstered
by the new drugs, saying that on these new drugs
they are able to combat that dial setting to where
you're not you're just not hung you're just not as hungry,
(01:04):
and you're not eating too much, and you're then that
thermostat setting it gets lowered so you're not Your body
isn't going to full on. We got to get back
to that weight mode, which obviously would be huge. The
new set point lasts as long as the patient is
on the drug. According to the researcher, patients who ate
a lot before they started taking one of the drugs
(01:26):
feel less hungry and fill up more quickly, sometimes after
just one slice of pizza, when they once ate the
whole pie. This is not about willpower or personal choice,
says the doctor that they quote here. This is about
your brain driving behaviors. Yeah, I would not oversimplify it
so much. I wouldn't either, as the headline in that sentence,
(01:47):
that's that's too much. Again, as a guy who struggled
with weight, I believe in the set point thing, and
I thought it was more or less accepted science that
if you gain a certain amount of weight the set
point changes upward. Maybe not, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
But they make the point later in the article that
the obesity epidemic is a product of old stuff and
new stuff. You got your human biology that's evolved over many,
many thousands or millions of years. That's the old stuff.
But then they go into studies that have showed over
and over again that if you eat a diet heavy
(02:21):
in carbs and processed foods as opposed to vegetables, whole grains, fish,
and other unprocessed foods, you're going to gain a lot
of weight.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
So it's both and you have to be realistic.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I have to eat really healthily not to gain weight,
and if I eat really healthily, I can get my
weight down to a pretty healthy level within that set
point and I'm not starving all the time. On the
other hand, I'm not taking my shirt off in public
a lot, except on the beach. Remember I vowed to
become comfortable with fat, tanned beach guy status. I'm still
working on that.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, I'll tell you what you know. I mentioned, I
think earlier in the week that I sprayed tand I'm
going to a large than that.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, it's it's you're a lot more comfortable with your
shirt off if you're tan.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I do like the spray tan regularly. Although why I
spray tanning got such a bad stigma, or does it?
Maybe it's only in my own head. I feel like
it's got a bad stigma, especially like the guys among
the more down to earth like you and your people.
The idea of getting sprayed with paint to look tan
is a little you know, ubilly. On the other hand, well,
(03:30):
maybe the answer is to just don't worry about being tanned.
But on the other hand, taken in some is horrible.
I mean, it's just like it's like it's like smoking
all day or something. It's just a terrible health choice.
Oh yeah, there's no comparison. I mean in terms of
just being healthy. Yeah, go in there and get spray painted.
Wouldn't it make more sense for all twenty somethings out
there who want to be tanned, to spray tan as
(03:52):
opposed to laying in the sun be better.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Or fake baking, which is terrible. I guess is that
what they call spray tann I'm talking about the beds
the tanning pads are terrible.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Oh yeah, I don't know. I don't know why you
would do that. The spray ten I did it because
we had done it. Did you do it or did
I only I do it years ago?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
That was like, no, I've never done it. That was
like twenty five years ago. Somehow it came up.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Maybe it was when that episode of friends was on
and some spray tan place called up and said, hey,
we'll do it for you so you can try it out.
And I went and it was I was pretty orange.
I mean I was.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I was.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I looked like Donald Trump. I was quite orange, and
my hands were orange like I was an orangutang. And
it was just it was though, it's good look. But
so now I've tried it twenty five years later and
it was really good. I mean I was shocked. I
was like, wow, this is I can see why people
do this. I guarantee you lots of people you know
spray tan and you have no idea because it's so good.
Now really yeah, you can have no idea. You can
(04:46):
pick just kind of a little bit or a lot,
or you were you know, on vacation for the weekend
and doesn't do the fingernails and hands and all the stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
That's so weird.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Now it's like a really good how but you you
know people that do it and don't tell you because
they'rembarrassed by I guarantee you.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Wow, now I've got the white sock feed of the
freaking frequent golfer. So like my shins are tanned as
a swimsuit model. Then my feet look like I'm wearing
a fresh new pair of socks.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Morg feet is My son called them.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Morgfeed exactly, So I have I have experimented with various
remedies for that, but none of them have worked. I
tried this the fake bake or the spray, I should say,
but that was years and years ago, and it looked hilarious.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Right right, it's really good now, or at least the
place I went. I think you fully nude Jack when
you did this, or no, I don't know, you can be,
but no, that'd be weird.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Well, especially because there's like a young woman down on
her nose with a hose spraying you standing there in
front of her like a circus elephant. I know, it's
horribly emasculating, degrading. It's it's embarrassing. Back to the overweight thing,
because I was thinking about this on something that came
(05:56):
up last hour. If you took a picture of the
beach from nineteen seventy five and then had a picture
of the beach now, probably the first thing you'd notice
is everybody's thin, like what we would consider model thin
in nineteen seventy five. Everybody mom, dad, kids, everybody is thin,
(06:19):
like in a way that like only your friends who
work out like crazy and eat right are Now that's
the first thing you notice. The other thing would be,
I think everybody be staring at some sort of device
or a lot of people would and now and nobody
was in nineteen seventy five zero.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Obviously you'd have five times as many people smoking back
in the day. Too.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
True, true, But yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
The heaviness thing would absolutely. You know, the point's been
made many times. Take a look at your class picture
from the seventies or eighties or whatever. There is one
kid who might have been a little heavy one. Look
at a modern class picture right fifth grade, say dank it.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
And then when you get into that whole set point thing, know,
your your ship point is probably higher than you want it.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
To be if you're heavy as a kid. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Man, So do you predict that a lots of people
are going to be on these weight loss drugs in
the future. It's going to be like incredibly.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Common, Yes, especially because I think they'll continue to refine
them and make the side effects less prominent and maybe
find better, you know, medicines. But I think so, I'm
not sure that's a great way to approach the obesity epidemic.
But getting everybody to eat a lean chicken breast and
broccoli tonight, that's not gonna happen. So maybe this is
(07:39):
better than having all sorts of people here we go
back to socialism, where it often ends up many people
who are very heavy and therefore have many expensive health
problems that then, you know, translate to higher medical costs
for everybody. Maybe we're better off with ozempic until something
better comes along, because again, exercising three times a week
(08:02):
a week, eating lean mates and many vegetables, it's just
not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I wonder if companies won't start paying for it or
subsidizing it anyway, because in fact, there's an article in
the Wall Street jenneral. Piece about that about how much
it costs and healthcare, especially as you get older, if
you're overweight, I gotta believe it's cheaper for the company
to just give you the weight loss drug than to
deal with all your other health problems.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Oh, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, when I'm at my lower weights, my blood pressure
is lower, my joints feel better.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Just to everything that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
We could be looking at the beach picture we are
just discussing here in five years looking more like nineteen
seventy five than twenty twenty two, but the.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Modern version will have more spontaneous and uncontrollable bowel movements
according to some of the side effects.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Is that a side effect of these drugs.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I don't know about this one, but I was mainly
going for the last.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Spontaneous and uncontrollable is not what I'm looking for.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
No, No, like how spontaneous boy Joe is so spontaneous Dan, right,
I mean that wouldn't be good. For instance, you're blowing
is not what I'm looking for.
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