Venmo for Socks pt. 1

Ashlee gets a suspicious Venmo request

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake, Joe Waken.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Oh my god, I really thought, I really really thought
yesterday it was going to be the day the verdict
that I thought it was coming in. I was on
Verdict Watch twenty four to seven yesterday. They were asking questions.
It got to the point where we found out they
might feel a little way about two of the charges,

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but still nothing.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
They were dismissed.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Around four pm, and we'll be back in at nine
am this morning.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Today's got to be the day we maybe, Yeah, Like
who knows.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Tomorrow's a holiday, So if today's not the day, then
they won't get back in there to deliberate again until Friday,
because a lot of people are off tomorrow, including I
believe the whole court.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
But they must have feel in the pressure to at
least I come to a decision. But clearly that's some
sort of an impasse where they keep coming back with
all these questions.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
It's a yeah, yeah, waiting it is Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
You think they don't they won't get it today.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
I don't think they come today. I think Friday. I
think he's right, they close.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
But if it's not today, it's definitely Friday.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
Show.

Speaker 6 (01:12):
Yeah, it does feel like they're close I think they're
there and the later in the day this goes on,
like say this they come to a decision, like at
three o'clock, right, there's a whole process to get in
by that time, Like people are already on the road
on their way home.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
People think about home.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, listen, they don't.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Care about who's driving home and whether they're listening to
us or not. I do not know them.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
But I'm just saying like towards like towards the end
of the day, like people want to wrap things up
and they just want to Well, for.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
We chatted about this.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
I think a lot of people, because they have the
holiday off tomorrow, are taking Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Like a ton of people are taking Friday too. It
makes sense, and it does make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
So I think it just is weird because they won't
get it. Not that I won't get as much play,
of course it will, but Friday is a wash for
a lot of people.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
I mean, I think it's safe.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
It won't get as much play as it would have,
like if it came out on a Monday of a yeah,
on holiday week.

Speaker 5 (02:04):
That's just the way that we are as people.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Like that's why they do these like pr dumps on
Fridays because it's the weekend and people go A lot.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Of people will drop a big news story at ten
or eleven am on uh, you know, right into the
weekend on a Friday.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
So that way it gets buried through the weekends.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
And I know this one's a lot bigger. But at
some point we're all going to move on from this.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, like like honestly middle of next week when we
get back from this, like small little vacate. Yeah, so
I got a wedding to go to this weekend, Like
I I got things to do, compos to go, and
people to see jury.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
I also love when they when when like the judge
tells tells them not to go on their phones, not
to research this.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 7 (02:43):
Now?

Speaker 5 (02:43):
When I'd be on my phone all the.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Time, I'm going home and I'm I'm up on the
Max and I'm putting body.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
In the snow. I mean, like, where do they get
these clips of this?

Speaker 5 (02:53):
Bi let me really see?

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah exactly, there's just there and there's no way for
them to come in and check that. It's not like
BEV can be like, let me look at the history
of your television.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
The other thing, if the stories are true that the
jury is really young. They're all on their phone checking it,
like they're on Instagram and people are, you know, doing
the I Love you signs? Are dressed in pink and
then you need to dig into.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
That right And she tries to I can't handle it,
and then she, you know, she tells them just leave
it all here, go home, rest, have some dinner. It's
a nice nobody's doing that. Yeah, nobody is doing that.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Now, let's just say you are, but you're suppose is not?
Oh my god, I'd be dugging, like.

Speaker 5 (03:35):
Asking questions.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Who's disagreeing? Is it eight people? Is it one?

Speaker 5 (03:39):
Like?

Speaker 1 (03:40):
What's up?

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Do you think you'll figure it out before Thursday? Because
we want to leave for vacations? Can we still keep
the vacation kids?

Speaker 5 (03:46):
Can you know?

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Can you guys rank any one of these juris families
are planning anything at all? I think it's kind of
one of these things, like to them, I don't even
think the holiday matters, I'll be honest with you. To them,
they just kind of like, yeah, let's just get this done.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
They're probably thinking, well, at least we'll go to break Thursday.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
Yeah that's it. Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
So crazy. Anyways, what's up with you guys? I don't
just chilling.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
Yeah, weather was trash, so stayed in the crib at
the gym and that was it.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
I thought today was gonna be nice. Bro.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
I wore shorts because I thought today was going to
be nice to.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Originally it was a post to, but I think it changed.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
It's gonna be It's gonna be one for sure.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Seventy seventy seven with some rain tomorrow ninety.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
Yeah, some rain.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
But I was expecting the Sunday be out next week.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
There's a couple ninety two, ninety seven, Oh my ninety
three days that was the weekend.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
Looking another watchout one No, right.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Now my phone says nice Friday and all you wants. Yeah,
seriously rain now Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I got eighty three,
eighty three and ninety two.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
You know what? Today is my anniversary?

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Oh my goshday.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Oh wait, yeah, but we are going out Saturday for it.
That just hit me that today's my university twenty years ago.
This morning, I was waking up from a night out
at the harp, just so hungover, going, I don't know
I'm going to do this.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, wow, today is. I was posting these memories up
in my Instagram story and we can talk about this
more later, but today is the day that I came
in here. I was wearing a Larry Bird jersey. I
was so pregnant and I started to like go into
early labor. I started to contract on air. It was

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so crazy, and people remember people calling and being like.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
You need to go to the hospital, like this is it.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
You're like, well, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
I'm like, what do you mean you don't know?

Speaker 2 (05:30):
I didn't want to rush to the hospital, but yeah,
I said goodbye to you guys. We had the holiday
the next day and I never saw you again for months.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
What was your original do date? Like you know what?

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Somebody else asked me that I want to say.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
It was the twenty second, okay, So it was like, yeah,
well I remember everybody was saying that too, like Ashley,
come on, come on, okay, the twenty third, okay, because
I have it in my calendar from before.

Speaker 5 (05:58):
Yeah, talking like five days. You were like I don't
know what this could be.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, And then I went home and I continued to
happen and I wasn't feeling good.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
I couldn't get up off the couch.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Then I then I tried to walk it out hopefully
I could get the baby out, and then I did
the curb walks. And then in the middle of the night,
like two three am. It was when I was in
like drastic pain and the fireman had to be like,
I'm not delivering this baby in the house.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
You were still fighting it.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yes, I was still fighting, going but what do you what?

Speaker 5 (06:32):
What were you fighting? Though?

Speaker 2 (06:34):
I was fighting getting there too early and then having
to just stay.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
I stayed at that hospital for twenty four hours on
the dot. I was in and out.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
I didn't want to be there, so I think it
was that I just didn't want to get there and
then be like, all right, well we're only afe. You
send me your stylad like, well, you know, but you
knew the baby was going to come, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
but in here you didn't yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
And it was also so crazy to remember we didn't
know if I was having a.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
Boy or girl. Oh that's right, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Now, which just like girl central.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
At that was. But wow, what a time that was?
Quick it went?

Speaker 1 (07:03):
How how has it been here?

Speaker 2 (07:05):
I feel like that I remember us going down to
the garage hugging by, and you'd being like, I'm not
going to see you again, like you're off now, you're
gonna go on maternity leave, and I was like, i'll
see you in two days.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
I think it came back in September, right, yeah, September seventh. Yeah, yeah,
it sounds like in the fall.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
You were like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
I'm like, what do you mean you don't know it's happening,
And we have we had nurses calling me like the
hospital either way, she's here. So I just't even looking
at the photos, like me getting up for work this
time last year putting because remember the Celts were in
the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
I had my Larry Bird jersey on and it was
I was big.

Speaker 5 (07:40):
Bumping yeah that belly and then yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
My legs, like everything just I didn't notice.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Now that I'm looking at looking back, Yeah, I was
gutting a baby baby.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
A baby stumpach, it's a baby bit.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
But uh, now she's here, Daisy girl is gonna be
one years all tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
I can't believe it.

Speaker 8 (07:59):
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Speaker 2 (08:13):
Wednesday, June eighteenth, and an oven day with no direct
to report. I mean the day that I can report
there's a verdict, that'll just be the whole new segment.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Deliberations are going to pick back up this morning. Remember
we are on our technically fourth day, but the third
full day will be today. I feel as if I
just sit there and stare at that fan and that
clock all day long, and I keep it up on
my phone so that way when there's chatter, I know
to go back to it.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
But I'm it's eating away in my life. I can't
do this anymore. I just I can't.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
I'm trying to clean around the house, play with the kids,
and I can't because I'm just trying to see and
not miss.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
A singular thing.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
There was movement yesterday, no verdict, but we did get
some questions from the jury. Let's start out with the
initial three questions they asked.

Speaker 10 (09:06):
Judge bev received three questions from the jury. What is
the timeframe for the OUI charge Offense zero zero two,
Section five OUI at twelve forty five.

Speaker 11 (09:20):
Or OUI at five am.

Speaker 10 (09:22):
The second our video clips of Karen's interviews evidence how
can we consider them? And the third does convicting guilty
on a subcharge example of fence to number five convict
the overall charge.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
So we get those three initial questions and it's just
impossible not to We don't know, you can never know
what somebody's thinking, but it's impossible not to hear those
three questions and start to, like, you know, try.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
To take the pieces of the puzzle and put them together.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
When I first heard those three questions, I thought to myself, Okay,
what they're saying is if we if we take one
of these sub chargs is under a main charge and
we give her a guilty verdict, does that make the
main charge guilty?

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Like that type of thought process.

Speaker 10 (10:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
And then obviously the doc is just it's so crazy
that they're even mentioning it because Shaiman carry and her
team for ever letting her do that damn thing.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
I mean for real.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
But I think the biggest bombshell of the day came
a little bit later when Judge BEV came back in
and said, all right, now we have another jury question.

Speaker 10 (10:26):
If we find not guilty on two charges but can't
agree on one charge, is it a hung jury on
all three charges or just one charge. I got some
input from the defense at Cybar, essentially saying if.

Speaker 11 (10:39):
We could just ignore it. We can't ignore it.

Speaker 10 (10:42):
To me, it's a theoretical question, and we don't answer
theoretical questions.

Speaker 11 (10:50):
I tell the jurors.

Speaker 10 (10:51):
That they're not to be concerned with the consequences of
their verdict, and that's exactly what they're doing here. So
I would propose just writing simply, this is not a
question I can answer on this and sending it back.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
That one sent both teams into a tizzy and there
was a lot of back and forth on that one.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
But that's huge.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
If they are writing that exactly how they feel right now,
that means they're saying, hey, if we on these two,
there's three main charges, guys, so Karen's look at it.
Second degree murder, manslaughter while operating a vehicle under the influence,
and leaving the scene of a fatal collision. When I
heard that question, I took that as we have found
her not guilty on two of the three charges. On

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the third one, we can't decide so if we can't
decide on that third, does that mean we're in a
mistrial or does that mean okay, we here are the
two that we decided on and we can't side on one.
And instead of clarifying, Bev said, it's a hypothetical, it's
a theoretical question. I'm not going to answer theoretical question.
If that is what they come back with, then then

(11:56):
we assess by the way Alan jack and Jackson did
not like that.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
Yeah, but to me, that's a mistra right, I think,
so you can't if you can't, because that isn't that
exactly what happened the last trial. They it was later
on found out that they thought they knew that two
of those charges were not guilty, but there was another
one they couldn't come agree with, so they thought that
everything was, yeah, we can't make a decision. This is
this is the exact same question that the first jurors should.

Speaker 5 (12:21):
Have asked or kind of had an issue with.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
But to me, they can't come up with an answer
for which have a third one?

Speaker 5 (12:26):
That they fighting over that And also.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
The way I think about this too is Bev's like,
let's let them come back with that. So then then
I can send them back in and say no, you
have to. But remember so the OUI manslaughter charge also
carries lesser offenses, including offenses of involuntary manslaughter, motor vehicle homicide,
and OUI.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
So if you're looking at the sheet of paper, it's the.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Three main charges and then there's sub chargers under that,
which is why they asked about the OUI in the timeframe. Now,
that is how I read that. I don't know if
you guys read that any differently. Let's let's play again.
Let's play the question again, because this is the one
that everyone's talking about.

Speaker 10 (13:02):
If we find not guilty on two charges but can't
agree on one charge, is it a hung jury on
all three charges or just one charge.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
So when I when I brought this to Nick Rocco's attention,
I said, the way I hear that is of the
three main charges, two of them we have found her
not guilty.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
We can't decide on the third. He did not read
it that way.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
So that's why I'm anxious to have him on seven
thirty because he I think he took it a different way.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Is he taking it that way because he's a staunch
supporter to her defense team.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
And it's also, are you guys taking this that she
was drunk and accidentally hit him in it?

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Is that question if the third charge is the leaving
the scene of a fatal collision, if that's the one
that you can't decide on.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
Yeah, but is that is that a sub charge under
the main No?

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Those are the three mains.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Okay, so second degree murder, manslaughter while operating a motor
vehicle under the influence, and the third charge is leaving
the scene of a fatal collision.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
I think I think they having an issue with the
sub charge in one of the main ones. Way, if
I'm kind of going by the first question which they gave, yes,
which they gave an example for, it's going to be
the OUY. They don't believe that she had that manslaughter
is part of it because that's under the OUI, right,
I mean the OUI is under the manslaughter. Yeah, I
think they do. They want to hit her with the
o U Y. But I think they're having an impass

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where it's like, well, the OUI calls the manslaughter and
some people are like, nah, she never killed that guy,
but she was driving drunk.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, but she was you know what I'm saying, And
that's the signe that's that is a massive.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Victory for the tough thing. She's not on trial for
driving drunk right technically, but she's.

Speaker 5 (14:33):
Been charged with it though she is, she's been charged
with it.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
So that's that's that's where this whole complication comes because
they're not just clear cut and saying did she do
it or did she not?

Speaker 5 (14:41):
They're like, did she do it? Did she not?

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Also? Was she driving drunk? Also what time did it happen?
Like there's a bunch of other sub things that are happening.
It's like, why we even.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Tall Son, I'm fairly certain they added that OUI charge
to get to know to make sure there wasn't a mistrial,
because I think that that that that was part of
the first Yeah, the first half, and even nic Rogo
told us that in one of the interviews. I forget
the specific terminology to use, but they added the OUI
charge to try to steer away from there being any

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sort of mistrupe.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
But it seems like now they're still going back down
that path, and the issue is there's still some impass
on some of these things where I think we're going
to wind up right back where we started.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
I wonder how quickly this morning they'll get back in
there and be like, all right, well, why don't we
just go out with this because this is kind of
what we've agreed upon right now, and then go from there.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
Okay, so let's just say this ends up being exactly
what the last one happened. Yep, we find it not
guilty on two charges. We couldn't come to a decision
on the third because of the way we have to
kind of do it.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
They're back on the mistrial.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
If it ends up being the two things that she
was not found guilty of the first time, which they
said was you know, she wasn't guilty of killing him
whatever it was. Does the state then look at it
and be like, yo, we lost that twice because that's
really what happened.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
I think they should right, you're else because one the.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Only thing we could come back and we try her for,
honestly to get a win is a OUI which.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Again, let's just say driving when it's done. We know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
For them to be able to get her somehow they
got to come back. They got to look at both
both geors and say Yo. They both came back with
the same decision in essence.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
And you guys are probably thinking, if she gets the
OUI charge, say that's the one they find her guilty
on the max sentence. I think Nick Rock says like
two and a half years, which most people, you know,
a regular civilian, you get a dewey, you'd probably get
zero time, slap on the wrist, have to do like
a class. It's up to Bev's discretion, and.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
They could hit it with the maximum because that is
part of it, you know what I mean. But yeah,
how many people do you know what OUIs? And they
keep driving? They keep driving.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yes, yes, that's not a joke. When we were little,
you know.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
My dad used to tell me when he was little
that the car runs smoother with a cold soda between
your legs.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
So we would drive and.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
You know, on like a bumpy road.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, yeah, we've hit a pot hole.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
Honestly, they would have to assess everything again if they
come back with the same results, because to us, it's like,
why are you doing it a time to get the
same thing again.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
And that's what it seems like.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
But imagine that Jerry's hitting us with a pump fake
and they hadn't. They hadn't really decided on the two
not guilty. Maybe they're thinking guilty, but they wanted to
put that out there because they don't have I.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Don't think I don't think so either, but you don't.

Speaker 5 (17:22):
We don't know.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yeah, someone they're dug in and they're really like investing
in this whole thing.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
So who knows.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
We're gonna see uh.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Like I said back in court this morning, nine am,
the holiday is tomorrow, so they will not be in court.
And then if for some reason we don't get inverty today,
they will pick back up on Friday.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
I don't think this is going to come as a
shock to anybody.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
We didn't get Karen Read on the stand, and we
will also not get Diddy on the stand. Prosecution in
his case said they will wrap everything up on Friday.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
They will rest.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Diddy's team told the judge that their case could be
less than two days, but.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
No more than five.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Diddy is being charge of sex trafficking, transportation to engage
in prostitution, and racketeering.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
We will not see him on the stand again.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
I can't say that I feel super disappointed, just because
I felt this was coming.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, it's too much of a risk putting these people
on the.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Stand Still, go back to all the rumors that we
heard about him were all true.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
Everything, you know, I keep thinking young so Young Miami
never got exposed to none of this.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
She probably did. I think she did.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
There's no I think.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
She enjoyed it, but I think she did. Ain't no,
this guy is a free there's no way these interviews
now coming that where he's sitting on a couch, I
think on the Tonight show something and he's like, you know,
I like to have sex a lot. And one day
they go and he I think he was he was like,
I'm gonna be open and honest in this interview. I
like sex a lot, and I like to do freaky things.
And everybody was just laughing, and I think he was

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really being like, no, seriously, facts he's been telling us
a low key for and Young Miami never got that.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
I mean, he was having holiday freak off.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
I don't like literally, Young Miami is not the one
who changes that. I think she did it. Maybe she
was willing and she's not talking about it. She's paid
to just be quiet.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
And by the way, we were out, But how about
how about Yay, that was crazy. Ya.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
He rolls to court to support Diddy.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
And I've seen a bunch of people being like young
Miami should be out there speaking of her too, to
support him if she never saw any of this.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
The best part about he was wearing white like he
was going to one of his white.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
A good time, all right.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
I was careful about reporting this yesterday because it was
coming from some outlets where I wasn't really sure if
it was true. But now we are hearing. As of
this morning, multiple sources are reporting that R. Kelly allegedly
overdosed in prison last week. His lawyer filed another motion
essentially saying that he was administered by the jail an

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amount of medication that significantly exceeded the safe dose of
both anxiety and sleep medication that he is used to receiving,
essentially saying that the amount they gave him could have
killed him, hence the overdose.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Either somebody wants him dead or he wants to be
dead himself, but he wanted to take a knat forever.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, they said.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Within an hour, officers with guns came into his hospital
room removes mister Kelly. He was taking from the hospital
against his will and against the directives of the doctors,
he was denied the surgery he needs to clear blood
clots and his lungs that threaten his life. This happened.
This will be confirmed by hospital records. This is undeniable.
So they're trying to get r Kelly out. It's always
weird talking about Diddy and then R Kelly because R

(20:29):
Kelly's charges looked a lot like the Ditty charges and
R Kelly is serving a thirty year sentence right now.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Another person when you heard stuff about him and they
altern out to be true. The closet, the closet urinating, Yeah,
younger girl, everything.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
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Speaker 1 (21:16):
All Right, everybody, sit down and settle in. Sit down
and settle in.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
Settled.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
I feel so weird about this. I've this has never
happened to me in my life. And the first person
I encountered this morning is aj because she's the first
person I see in the morning. And I'm like, I
don't know what to do about this, and she's like,
why keep it? Shocked to hear say that. Meanwhile, I'm

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like in panic mode. So the first thing I see
this morning when I wake up, you guys. At one
one am, in the midst of my slumber, I got
a Venmo payment for two hundred and fifty dollars who
from a guy named Trevor. And in the detail section
where you can write what the payment is for, he wrote, socks.

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Soocks now like the red Sox, like socks, like the
socks on your feet.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
I don't know this man. I have never seen this man.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
This is a to me, a very clear accident, Like
there's just no way he meant to send this to
men't I've never seen him I don't know him.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
It does seem like it's an accident because usually in
the context he would have said, like, here are some
socks because your feed are xyz.

Speaker 8 (22:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
And then I'm looking at my profile picture on Venmo
and I'm like, I don't know, I don't really bro.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
You don't know him, No, I've never.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Seen him in my life.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
But I'm also thinking to myself, he's looking at my photo.
I don't feel like you can really look at that
picture and be like, oh, that's I mean, I don't
it's from a photo shoot.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
I yeah, but I mean, I don't know what your
name is, but it like it's my name, okay, your
full name. I could see how that could get confusion
for somebody on the other end.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
Spell her name normally like normally like Ashley. Most people
use a why she used to ease. You know what
I'm saying, like, how do you get that wrong?

Speaker 1 (23:17):
You know, that's a lot of money.

Speaker 5 (23:19):
I think I think bros into something.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah, But when he just say that, like, hey, here's
two fifty.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
You brought that up too, And she's like, there are
people who sell their song Okay, I never said.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
I was selling the socks off of my feet. I
never said this anywhere.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
I don't do like there are people out there buying
you socks underwear.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
I can under she wants he wants the socks off
and whatever, you know, whatever those are current is really
what he's after?

Speaker 5 (23:45):
This the toes. When do you asked for it?

Speaker 6 (23:48):
Nah?

Speaker 5 (23:49):
You know you're trying to be slick.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Well I can't.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
This is engaging the conversation. Why'd you send me this?

Speaker 7 (23:52):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (23:53):
You know this is too much money to not follow up?
So I wrote you can comment on on venmo, So
I put a question mark.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
That's fine, right, Yeah, nothing back yet. No.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
He sent me that at one twenty one in the morning,
so he's sleeping. He could have been drunk. Maybe it
wasn't like two hundred and fifty dollars for and the
word socks like this. So now potentially I have to
now send him back the two fifty.

Speaker 6 (24:25):
I would just keep all just hit no no on memo.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
There's no there's no such thing I would have to
literally send him to. So then I'm like, is this
am I getting? Is this the new wave of Seriously,
this is where my mind is going. Is this the
new wave of how these scammers scam, Like, did this.

Speaker 5 (24:48):
Be they give you money?

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Well, because you know this.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Has happened before on Facebook marketplace where they'll be like,
I sent you this, send me this.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
Best on Facebook is that they'll be like, I'll say
you one thousand dollars, take two fifty, send me the rest.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yes, this is not one of those.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Okay, yeah, listen, we have to we have to be vigilant.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
Yeah, because they send you a check, they'll send you
They did that to me one time. Dude, send me
a check for like five thousand dollars made out on
a Western no best Western hotel check and he was like,
just take out, you know, a thousand dollars and send
me the rest. And I was contemplating doing it now.
I was like, nah, this is definitely fraud. But not
for them to send you money. There's no way they can.

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Hackey account number one, number two. They wouldn't send you cash,
not unless you know they think he's dumb and be like,
oh my bad, you know saying right, But even still.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
I don't sitting there. I could transfer it right now.

Speaker 5 (25:37):
Yeah, I don't understand the play hold on to it.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
There is no there is no refund button.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
But or like ignore or send back button on Venmo,
which is frustrating.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
I would have to transfer that to my or just
send it back.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Maybe that's it, though he said, well no, because he
actually send you real money.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
So no's, by the way, say it's not to me.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
It's an accident. Who's spending that much money on socks?

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Maybe they buy it for a sports team like entire
sports here it socks for the field hockey team, the
soccer team, so it's expensive. But if you get like
twenty kids in there.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Or I'm actually shocked, I actually thought you were going
to be like you better keep that.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
This sounding cereal ish like if he if this was
really intentional, like dude, searched your name on the spot
and then send you to faithy.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Okay, So let's let's.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Hypothetically say he writes me back and says, no, I
sent you that because I'm hoping that you'll take the
money and send me your socks. Do it.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Keep the money and not send the socks.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
Obviously I'm not sending Yeah, just say keep it. Just
be like I've never advertised I was selling socks. Sorry, sir,
All sales are final.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
I just keep thinking about if I did this, and
I owed somebody to fifty a lot of money and
I accidentally sent to the wrong person and they didn't
send it.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
To me back. I would be heartbroke.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
I'm tight, harproke. That happens a lot.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
You're never going to see the person ever, and just block.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Them in good fight. Our job's a little different.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Okay, fine, but what if this person lives in Idaho.
You're never gonna see him again. And it was a mistake.
The plane ticket is going to cost more than what
he says. Yeah, so it's an l and you know.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Okay, well, let's see whatever. Let's see let's see where
everybody else is.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Six one seven nine three one one nine four five
six one seven nine three one one nine four five
and I two hundred and fifty Richard for no sock guys,
Good morning, sash in the gym in the morning show.
I and I'm sweating now because first off, my damns
are going crazy.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Some people are saying straight up. One girl goes, my cousin.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Has a legit shop where she wears the socks and
does what these people ask go to the gym, sweat
whatever it is, and then she sells them the socks
and the things that she did in the socks and
they can have them. But other people are like, this
is one hundred percent a scam. It says if a
stranger sends you money on Venmo, it's crucial to be
cast it cautious. Scammer sometimes use this tactic, claiming the

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money was a mistake and asking you return the money.
This could be a scam to get you to send
money to a different account or one where the original
payment was made using a stolen card. So Venmo advises
you to not return the money directly and to contact
their support team for assistance. So they stole the money
from somebody else that I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
The scammers they go to land show.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
But the only thing they would be if the dude
replies back to you and says, sorry, I sent it
to you by accident. Can you send it to this
account now that's how you know it's a clear scam.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Or does he change the credit card that he has
on file then it goes back into that card.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Well, I'm reading online and that's what they're saying, that
it's from a stolen account. What's going to happen is
that they tell you, you know, send it to this account,
you send it to the other account, and then eventually
the main owner whose money got stolen will hit ven
Won and be like, Heyo, somebody did something to my money.
They file a claim, Venmo returns their money yet out
two hundred and fifty dollars. But again, if his response

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is send it to another account, all I put was a.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Question mark, And so what do I do then?

Speaker 2 (29:05):
If if he says I accidentally sent it to you
and meant to send it to someone.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
Number to ignore him? Yeah, yeah, if he's doing you,
send it somewhere else, hit up here.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
What if he's saying send it back to me, I'll
send it back.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Molly is in Waalfam, Molly, this is I think you
also think this is a.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Scam, well known scam on Venmo.

Speaker 7 (29:26):
They haven't listed on their website.

Speaker 10 (29:28):
And honestly, I would just tell them to contact Benmo
because I'm sure there's ways that they can reverse it.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, so that way I can just so just I
stay out of it.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, because the scam actually is listed on Venmo's FAQ
and it literally says they'll request the money back from
you because it was a quote mistake.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Oh my god, this is what I'm worried about, Molly,
thank you for this.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Kennedy is in match. Kennedy thinks I should just transfer
the money right into my account.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
And see that's back. That's terrible carma. I mean, it
is definitely a scam.

Speaker 7 (30:08):
But I mean, what are the odds that someone just
like sent your money?

Speaker 2 (30:13):
That's what I means. So that's so, that's okay. Fine,
say this is a scam. That's still two hundred and
fifty dollars.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
So say he's trying to scam me, doesn't it deserve
the money?

Speaker 5 (30:22):
Yeah? Take it, especially if you quote on.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Right, if he writes me back, Kennedy, if he writes
me back and says, oh, that was an accident.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Can you send it to Joe Schmoe it's a scam? Yeah,
so kim Bank is two.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
But then I feel weird because, yeah, it's the whole
thing strange.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Thank you for the car?

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Right?

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Well, would you feel weird if you were walking on
the street and found two hundred and fifty dollars in
cash on the sidewalk.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
If there was no wallet or no identification. Cow, I'm
keeping that all.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Right, So what am I going the same thing? What
are you gonna do track this person down and give
them back their money? No, keep this money. Keep the money.
It's God's blessing.

Speaker 5 (30:59):
It fell out of his God. You did just spend
a lot of money at the party.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
You know what.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
That's a fact. I'm in party debt court is in
Swansea Court. See, this is what we're.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Saying, Like you, I want to if, especially if this
guy is a scammer, I want to keep his money
and be like ha, but it's car.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
I do feel the karma part of it.

Speaker 12 (31:20):
Yeah, I see, I would really want to keep it too,
but like I've been in certain situations and it actually
came back tenfold, So I would recommend I don't know,
sending it back unless it's definitely a scam because now
that I'm hearing all this, like now.

Speaker 7 (31:32):
It's like, uh, now you really don't know.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
I know, and thank you.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
No, but that's what I'm this is what I'm saying, say,
this is a complete accident, okay, and this guy really
did send to you. I'm too afraid now to just
send him the money back because this is like the
scam thing. And it says on Venmo literally says on Evic,
you don't send the money back, so I guess I
will have to then call Venmo.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
Yeah, you gonna do all that work for what?

Speaker 8 (31:55):
No?

Speaker 1 (31:55):
I mean, I will say you don't want to right all?

Speaker 4 (31:58):
You just leave the two fifty your account, don't transfer
it back into your bank, just leave it in Vemo,
chill with it for a little bit and if a
few weeks nothing happens, your cliff.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Okay, you're good, Fine, give me a time, Fraim.

Speaker 8 (32:11):
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Speaker 9 (32:17):
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Speaker 2 (32:27):
Wednesday, June eighteenth, And unfortunately I do not have a
verdict for you, but we do have movements with the deliberations.
Now we are technically on one, two, three, four, day
four of deliberations, but if we're going by just full days,
today would be day three. They're going to pick it
back up at nine am. But a lot of action yesterday.

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The jury came back middle of the afternoon with three
questions for Judge bov Canoni.

Speaker 10 (32:55):
Received three questions from the jury, what is the time
frame for the OUI charge offense zero zero two, section
five OUI at twelve forty five or OUI at five am?
The second our video clips of Karen's interviews evidence how
can we consider them? And the third does convicting guilty

(33:20):
on a subcharge example of fence to number five convict
the overall charge?

Speaker 2 (33:26):
It is merely impossible to not then be like, Okay,
if this is the question, they must be thinking this.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
If this is if this is the second.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Question, oh well, then they got to be thinking this.
You can never get inside someone's head, you know what.
Just be in a relationship. You'll learn that one real quick.
We can never know what this jury is actually thinking.
You know. But when you hear like, hey, what's the
timeframe from the OUI charge? U If we convict her
and we find her guilty of, say a sub charge,
does that mean the main charge is also guilty? So

(33:59):
I kind of keep going going back to that OUI
because it feels like, because they gave that an example,
that that's the one they're looking at.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Now.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
The OUI is under the manslaughter charge because remember those
three main charges that Karen is looking at second degree murder,
manslaughter while operating a motor vehicle under the influence and
leaving the scene of a fatal collision. That oui manslaughter
charge has lesser charges, including involuntary manslaughter, motor vehicle homicide,
and an OUI. So interesting, maybe maybe again, these are

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all hypotheticals.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
This is the game you play.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
They're thinking, well, we're finding her not guilty of the
manslaughter charge, but we definitely think she was drunk, so
can we give her a guilty oui and then still
that manslaughter charge be not guilty, which they can so
bev clarified.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Technically they can, but it seems to me that they're
having a conversation about her being drunk and possibly accidentally
killing him.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
I feel that too.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
So then we had the big bombshell yesterday, and a
lot of people are talking about this, mainly too because
of Beb's response.

Speaker 10 (34:58):
If we find not guilty on two charges but can't
agree on one charge, is it a hung jury on
all three charges or just one charge. I got some
input from the defense at cydebar, essentially saying if we
could just ignore it, we can't ignore it. To me,
it's a theoretical question, and we don't answer theoretical questions.

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I tell the jurors that they're not to be concerned
with the consequences of their verdict, and that's.

Speaker 11 (35:28):
Exactly what they're doing here.

Speaker 10 (35:30):
So I would propose just writing simply, this is not
a question I can answer on this and sending a boat.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
We were just having a conversation with a lawyer and
she was kind of explaining to us. The reason why
BEV answered the way she did is because of the
signifier word in the beginning of it. If now, if
the jury comes back and says we have found her
guilty or not guilty of two charges, we.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Cannot decide on the third.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Now what Then she brings them out and she says,
you got to go back in. You got to figure
this out, not gonna have a hung drek. But they
put if making it a hypothetical. It wasn't like we've decided.
It was like, if we decide this, So that's kind
of how it was just explained to me. But this
one reads to me like, hey, of the two two
of the major three, we got her not guilty, we're

(36:17):
hung up on one. Now if we're going to talk
about which one we know they mentioned the OUI and
the other set of questions, so maybe they're hung up
on the manslaughter.

Speaker 5 (36:26):
Charge, which is which is why we will end up
hung in the end.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
So yeah, all over, I'm.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
I know, we make the jokey joke of like if
I'm four and called her Debbie, let's call her Debbie.
If Debbie's in there and Debbie is like, no, she
did this. What does it matter to Debbie if it's
a jery, it doesn't. Debbie's stuck in the sand. Debbie's
been sitting out there for eight weeks. Debbie thinks she
did it. No one else does. Debbie cannot be convinced.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
She doesn't care if it's a hungery.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Again, she's not gonna say not guilty because Debbie thinks
she's guilty.

Speaker 5 (37:05):
Correct, That's that's that.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
And then the reality is Debbie's not going to be
on the next trial if they do want to against
she doesn't care.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Debbie's moving on, Debbie's gone, say, Debbie's living Debbie's life.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
Yeah, that's why they're being told, just make your decision
and whatever happens after that is whatever.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
Yeah, don't worry about that.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
I'm very interested to see We're gonna have Nick on
at seven point thirty because I think each side is
kind of we're all trying to take these puzzle pieces
and put them together. What do you think this question means?
What could they be thinking? We'll never really know until
the end, But they'll be back in court at nine
a m.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
This morning.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Nick is gonna call us within the next fifteen minutes,
and we'll just kind of see where Karen and the
team are at with everything.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Just like Karen Reid's not taking.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
The stand, Denny also will not take the stand. This
is a major announcement yesterday. According to multiple sources, he
will not testify in defense of himself. We did find
out that the prosecution in that case will rest on Friday,
and Diddy's team says could take us two days, but
no more than five.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
That's all.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
I feel like you would want to kill a little
bit more. But I don't know. Call some people.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Maybe they just feel like they only need to because
they're because they're, you know, their their case is so strong.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Call some people who were at the freak offs and
said it was consensual. I guess I'm assuming.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
That will they have to they have to.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Maybe they got to get a curse on them, being like, Yo,
everything was cool, wasn't no problems over here? But I
think they cross was also very effective and showing that Yo,
some of these people, they were asking for this as
opposed to Diddy Olda's forcing it upon them.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (38:39):
I just remember I was like, when we when the
dust settles with car, we will move on to Sean.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Sean's dust might settle before Karen's. I mean, for real, seriously,
all right.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Tyler Perry being sued for two hundred and sixty mill Okay,
it's a civil suits filed by Derek Dixon, the actor.
He's claiming that Tyler Perry is liable for sexual harassment,
assault and retaliation. He worked on Tyler Perry's show Ruthless
and The Oval.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Did you guys watch either one?

Speaker 5 (39:09):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (39:10):
He's accusing Tyler of creating a coercive, sexually exploit explative
dynamic relationship.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Between the two.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
The suit is calling for Tyler for initially promising him
career advancement and creative opportunities such as producing his pilot
and casting him in his show, only to subject suggect
sub subject him to escalating sexual harassment, assault and battery,
and professional retaliation when mister Dixon did not reciprocate mister

(39:37):
Perry's unwanted advances. It's sometimes hard reading these civil suits
because there's a lot of moving parts, but essentially the
suit is saying the old, the age old, yay, I'm
going to give you a career.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
You gotta dat du da me.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
This has been happening in Hollywood since their really Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Now, obviously the bombshell here it's a man.

Speaker 5 (40:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
I don't know if.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Anybody if that's shocking to anybody, But I don't think
we ever really talked about Tyler Perry's sexual preference. I
don't mean, I don't remember having a girlfriend, I remember
having to have a boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
I don't think we ever thought about it really until now.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
I read the text messages some of the exchanges between
the two of them this morning. I didn't I was
waiting for something crazy to pop.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Never did. But I was a little bit like, oh,
it's a man.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah, you know, like like how I kind of reacted
when I found out about you, I was like chill,
I was like, oh, you know.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
I guess thinking back, I guess it makes sense. I
guess we aren't shocked.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Exactly exactly what I thought about you, That's what I
was saying.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
So.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
A representative for Tyler Perry told People magazine, this is
an individual who got close to Tyler for what now
appears to be nothing more than setting up a scam.
But why Tyler will not be shaken down. We are
confident these fabricated claims of harassment will fail.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
You also see the way that Tyler likes it. I
guess technically if you read the text.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
For sure, Yeah, he's not like stop it. I don't
lay with men, you know what I mean. He's like,
let's meet at Panera for a bread bull.

Speaker 5 (41:06):
Yes, what I said, it was a meeting for business.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Let's go to Joe's hide away with no clothes.

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Speaker 1 (41:40):
Hi, everybody, good morning.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
You know, nothing can just be what it is with
this case, there's always something and that's why, thank god
we have our guide, Nick Rocko. It's it's weird to think, Nick,
that we've been doing this now for what almost two years.
I mean, listen, at least a year ago, I was
coming in here as.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Hell and being like baby, the baby has to hold
off because I got to do an interview with Nick Rocco.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
We got to see what's going on, and I do
feel like after yesterday, we're getting a little closer. We
have these questions. Nick is joining us. Nick, let's walk
through some of these. So you were with confirmed for everybody,
you were with Karen and the team yesterday kind of
waiting things out.

Speaker 7 (42:23):
Yeah, yeah, and on.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Your way again this morning.

Speaker 7 (42:28):
Yeah the now okay, So just so we kind.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Of know and I know, and by the way, stop
me if I'm asking things that I can't. You guys
are held up somewhere, You get a somebody in the
room gets a call, Hey, we got to go back
to court, and you guys just all head back in
for the questions.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Is that kind of how it works.

Speaker 7 (42:46):
Yep, that's exactly how it works. So you basically wait
until you hear the phone ring.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Oh my god, I just can't even imagine, especially for Karen.
So we get the first call and BEV says, hey, guys,
here we go.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
The jury has three questions received.

Speaker 10 (43:02):
Three questions from the jury what is the timeframe for
the OUI charge? Offense zero zero two, Section five, OUI
at twelve forty five or OUI at five am? The
second are video clips of Karen's interview's evidence, How can
we consider them? And the third does convicting guilty on

(43:26):
a sub charge example offense to number five?

Speaker 11 (43:29):
Convict the overall charge?

Speaker 2 (43:31):
All right, Nick, let's walk through the three questions. First off,
when you heard the three of them, how did you feel?
Did you feel like this was a win where you like,
does make you more nervous?

Speaker 4 (43:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (43:41):
I mean the defense team was very happy with those questions,
that's for sure, because you know, you've been waiting since
Friday and you get your first note on Tuesday, and
it kind of puts you in the minds of where
the jurors are at, and you know, based off those questions,
one would assume that that's the charge that they're stuck

(44:01):
on is the count to charge five, which is the
OUI right.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Why the question about the doc like from you from
the team, what do you think do you think they
were using those interviews where Karen was like, I was drunk,
I was drinking. I could have hit him for that
OUI charge specifically.

Speaker 7 (44:23):
Very well could be or they just have a bunch
of these video clips and then they don't know what
they're supposed to do with them, which you know, again
if they're at this is one thing a lot of
people need to understand too, is the jury are just
regular people. They don't like like, I did not know
the court system two years ago. Now I know what
all the words mean and all the charges mean and everything.

(44:44):
But like, for example, someone might not know the difference
between manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter. So if there's no description
on that verdict sheet of what it means, someone might
skip right over it because they're like, well, I don't
know what that means. So a lot of these people
that just every day people who don't know the legal
system and don't know how it works. And ultimately that's

(45:06):
why they can ask questions. But you know, they'll apparently
they're lucky if they get an answer.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Well, it's interesting too, because I've said this on our show.
We're all learning too, you know. And so for example,
when we hear things in the Diddy trial, I'm like, oh,
I know what that is, because we've discussed it from
the Karen trial, you know, Karen and Karen. To make
things a little bit easier for people is looking at
these three main charges second degree murder, manslaughter while operating
a motor vehicle under the influence, and leaving the scene

(45:33):
of a fatal collision. But under the manslaughter charge there's
lesser offenses of an involuntary manslaughter which you just mentioned,
motor vehicle homicide, and an OUI.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
I think on the first set of questions it did
lead me to believe that there is a chance they
convict her on an OUI charge. But in the end,
that's a win for Karen if she's found not guilty
of manslaughter, but she's found guilty of I Okay, I mean,
she has no priors. That should be like a slap
on the wrist. But the big bombshell came later, Nick,
you've kind of been referencing it. You guys get another call.

(46:04):
The phone rings again. You guys probably thought, oh my god,
we might have a verdict.

Speaker 7 (46:08):
So that note actually while the lawyers were discussing the
first three notes that the jerry had sent, that fourth
note had come while we were at court still, so
we didn't get a call for that one. We knew.
That's why she said come back at one thirty, because
she was going to go over the note basically after lunch.

(46:31):
But one of the things that a lot of people
don't understand is like what a lesser included charges. And
for example, the top charge of the manslaughter you need
to meet five elements to be able to check that
guilty box off. Then when you move down to the
lesser included charges to meet one of those to be

(46:54):
able to check guilty you need to meet four out
of the five prongs. Then you go down the list
and then events. Actually, you know, for involuntary manslaughter you
need to hit three of the five prongs, and the
first prong that you have to hit in manslaughter while
operating in a vehicle is driving while drunk. So that's
why number five being oh ui, that's prong number one

(47:17):
that wasn't listed last time. But it is listed this time.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
And was it? Didn't you say at some point that
was listed to try to avoid a mistrial.

Speaker 7 (47:27):
It was to try to avoid Yeah, I mean people
being hung up on because last time they will hung
up on manslaughter, right, they will hung up on one
of those charges. So so the basically the defense is like, well,
you know, some people might be inclined. They want to
punish her, they know, you know, for drinking and driving,
So let's put the dui prong on there. And they did,
and yeah, now it kind of seems like some want

(47:49):
to acquit her of all and everything, and then some
want to give her a dui and you know I
at this point, defense is open for either a not
guilty or a guilty verdict on OUI because if that's
the case then they can't retry it. But if it's
hung on charge number two, they can retry her again
for the whole man's thought of charge.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
So in comes this fourth question. This is where a lot.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Of the chatter online kind of went towards, especially with
the way BEB decided to respond to it.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Here was the fourth question.

Speaker 10 (48:19):
If we find not guilty on two charges but can't
agree on one charge. Is it a hung jury on
all three charges or just one charge. I got some
input from the defense at Cybar, essentially saying.

Speaker 11 (48:32):
If we could just ignore it. We can't ignore it.

Speaker 10 (48:35):
To me, it's a theoretical question, and we don't answer
theoretical questions. I tell the jurors that they're not to
be concerned with the consequences of their verdict, and that's.

Speaker 11 (48:49):
Exactly what they're doing here.

Speaker 10 (48:51):
So I would propose just writing simply, this is not
a question I can answer on this and sending a path.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
If we have found a knock guilt verdict on two
of the charges and we cannot agree on a third,
is this a mistrial? Is this a hung jury? I
know the defense and I know you because we text
about it. Didn't agree with the way BEV responded to it,
but we had a lawyer in the building earlier. Her
and I were kind of chit chatting, and she was like, Ashley,
it is the inclusion of the word if, just like

(49:20):
when you're trying to decide if somebody is guilty or
not guilty and you think of reasonable doubt and the
word might is included. If they just said we have
found her not guilty on two charges, we cannot decide
on a third. That is a concrete This is what
we've come to a conclusion of. This is how we
feel BEV can then send them back in. It is
the inclusion of the word if. But I know you
don't agree with well.

Speaker 7 (49:41):
I mean it does. It does make sense because if
you know, the word if makes it theoretical. But basically
what they're saying, though, is like they didn't want to
come out and write. They probably didn't know if they
could write in the note that hey, we fought, we
have a decision for two but not one, so so
they made it, you know, an if question. But I
think the way that you can kind of read into

(50:02):
it is if if they're asking that question, that's where
they stand.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
I agree. I know you and I have kind of
got gone back and forth.

Speaker 5 (50:10):
To me.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
I read that like the three main charges second degree murder, manslaughter,
while operating a motor vehicle under the influence, and leaving
the scene of a fatal collision. Two of them, they
have found her not guilty, and they all believe in that,
but they're the third one is the one they're hung
up on it, and I tend to believe because the
OUI was mentioned that they're hung up on the manslaughter.

Speaker 7 (50:30):
Yeah, but here's the issue is the way that it
works is like a ladder. You start at the top
of the ladder and you read all those Okay, we
don't find her guilty on that, Let's go down. Let's
go down a step. Let's go down a step, and
down a step. So if they're asking about OUI, I
mean one would think that they already climbed down the
whole ladder and now they're stuck on OUI. Because if

(50:52):
if they if they let's just say they were on
prong number two of that ladder of manslaughter, I think
they would have said, charged to our offence to prong
you know, prong one or prong two, which would have
been manslaughter. But they were very specific. And don't forget
that that fourth question only came about five to ten

(51:15):
minutes after they sent those three other questions, so it's
not like they got their answers, went back into the
room and then sent another note an hour later. That
note had already been written written to the judge and
she was just holding on to it. She brought the
jury back in. She answered the three questions and then
told the defensive prosecution what the fourth question was, and

(51:37):
then they didn't answer for an hour later. So it
was all the questions were raid around the same time,
they just weren't read together.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
And by the way, I'm not saying you're wrong, but
I'm also not saying that I'm.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Because I just it's like the weather.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
I mean, we don't know the smart thing would be
to go climb the ladder. But like you're saying, these
are just this is your peers, this is your civilian
like brothers, sister, cousin, you know, worker at your at
your favorite CBS, like these are regular people.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Maybe that's not the way they did it.

Speaker 7 (52:04):
We don't know, Yeah, but I mean you read a
paper from top to bottom, left to right, yes you do.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
We're not in there.

Speaker 7 (52:12):
I don't know, but you know, many many people are
interpreting in it differently. But at the end of the day,
if you if you put all four together, ultimately it
seems like you know, we're going to have we have
the same situation as last year, ye, which is one
in three not guilty, two hung And this is why

(52:34):
the defense team tried to put forward to the court
a very simple and easy verdict slip that includes the
word not guilty under all the charges. So that way,
like question number three, if we convict on two, I
mean on on if we are not guilty on one
in three and we're hung on two, or did that

(52:58):
charge her for the rest of the charges above? If
there was just a simple not guilty box, that would
solve the issue because they could just check not guilty
and guilty on what they want to find are un guilty?

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Right, Okay, a couple of things I want to run
through a little bit of seed time.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
I'm a little bit more salicious.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
The news is saying that when the first three questions
came in that Karen's team, family members were celebratory.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
People were high fiving, they were fist pumping.

Speaker 7 (53:26):
No one was high five and a fist pumping. I
know David Dinetti had come over and had said something
which you know, made people happy, which is basically that
you know they're looking at man not mansart. Are they're
looking at the OUI charge and that obviously you know,

(53:47):
if they're not considering murder or manslaughter, that would make
that would make someone you know, feel relieved. I should say, Okay,
there there was no fist bump in or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
There's also a rumor going around. It's been sent me
twelve times to ask you about. There is a rumor
that yesterday, when the jurors were getting on the bus
to head to court, that a family friend of both
the mccabs and the Alberts was arrested for trying to
take photos of jurors as they got onto the bus.

Speaker 7 (54:17):
So that was not yesterday, that was the day before.
And he is, he's a piece of work all he's
a troll all over Twitter. But what he was doing,
he was sitting at the library behind the courthouse facing
the jury bus, and I believe he was live streaming

(54:38):
and a few people confronted him about it. The cops
ended up coming over. I don't know if he was arrested.
I also don't know if he actually was videoing the
Jerry bus, but he was facing that way on a
live stream. But yeah, I don't know exactly being.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Told, I'm getting some text messages now being told.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
He was not arrested, But that was a rumor going
around that he was a family friend of the And again,
we all know the way this case works, right, The
rumor mill has just been absolutely insane.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
All right, My third question, because I know you got
a run and you're going in.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
If this ends with another hung jury, I don't even
want to put it out there in the atmosphere. But
you know, you guys are you guys are waiting, you're
sitting there, you guys are having these conversations.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Is another hung jury a win for Karen?

Speaker 7 (55:24):
I mean, she doesn't go to jail, right, but but
then that means you got to do it all over again.
And I wouldn't put anything past Michael Morrissey of the
DA's office in Norfolk County to retry. You know, however,
many charges are hung, so it's unfortunate. But this guy

(55:45):
in the Commonwealth really want to take Karen read down
for this. But it seems like the Jerry both Jerry's
now don't think she married them and don't think she
left a scene of the crime, And we don't know
exactly which lesson in to charge they will hung on
the last time because they didn't really give us any
hints or notes towards that. But this time we can

(56:06):
kind of see where they heads at. And I mean,
if that's the case, I'm sure Hale and Jackson would
love to go in there and be like, Jerry, don't
be hung. Just find her guilty on OUI. Yeah, just
find her guilty of right right.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Give her the old dui and let's move on. All right,
you're headed to meet Karen and the team. I'm gonna
let you go. I'll be in contact with you today.
You got to get an answer for me. We know
for a fact that if for some reason we don't
get a vertict today, they are off from court tomorrow,
and there is a chance they're off Friday as well.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Nick's gonna find that out for us.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Either way, I'll be texting you like you're crazy ex girl,
but your wife's probably like, what is up with her?

Speaker 1 (56:42):
It's not on Stop tell your wife.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
I promise that when this is over, I will not
text you as much.

Speaker 7 (56:48):
You got it. Let's go.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Today's the day we're praying. Man, Thank you so much
for the call.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Yeah, listen, nobody's wrong when we're playing these hypothetical games
as to what the jury could be thinking.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
We don't know.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
We don't know.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
But the more we talk about this and more, I'm
convinced that they're going to be hung at the end
of the day again.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
I hate saying that you know who it is. By
the way, where did you get Debbie from?

Speaker 2 (57:13):
By way, if you weren't listening to the show earlier,
we were trying to talk about, you know, a specific
juror who's kind of dug in and forms like yeah, Debbie.
So now to us, it's Debbie. If they are a
hung Jersey jury, it's it's Debbie's fault. Wherever have you
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