The Black Perspective: October 26, 2025

This week on The Black Perspective, Andrea Coleman returns with her special Saving Black Moms Report, exploring how doulas are stepping up and leading the fight to improve maternal-health outcomes for Black women.

Misty Jordan sits down with Slim of the legendary R&B group 112 to look back on their 30-year career, discuss their new tour celebrating that milestone, and talk about what’s next. 

BIN’s Esther Dillard speaks with Phillip Atiba Solomon, Yale professor and policing equity expert, about the deployment of federal officials and the National Guard to so-called “blue” cities and the implications for civil liberties and democratic trust.

Morgyn Wood reports live from the 58th Congressional Black Caucus Conference, where she sat down with Justin Pearson (Tennessee’s District 86) about policy priorities and community impact.

And the show closes with Doug Davis’s segment Your Black Business, featuring Alan Bacon, founder and CEO of the equitable art fair BUTTER Fine Art Fair — a conversation about culture, commerce, and creative power. 

Listen now!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Sunday, October twenty sixth, and on today's show, The
Black Information Networks, Andre Coleman is back with her special
Saving Black Moms Report, talking about how Doulah's are helping
lead the charge. Mister Jordan sat down with Slim of
the legendary R and B Group one twelve to talk
about their thirty year career and new tour to celebrate

(00:21):
it so much more. The Black Information Networks Ester Dillar
talks to Black Yale professor doctor Philip Atiba Solomon to
address the President's sending federal officers and the National Guard
to blue cities. Morgan Wood attended the fifty eighth Congressional
Black Caucus Conference recently and talked to Tennessee's District eighty
six Representative Justin Pearson. And Doug Davis is back with

(00:44):
another installment of Your Black Business with butter Art Fair
founder and CEO Alan Bacon. These stories and more are
coming your way. On today's program, Welcome to the Black Perspective.
I'm your host, Mike Island.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Welcome to the Black Perspective, a weekly com unity affairs
program on the Black Information Network featuring interviews and discussions
on issues important to the Black community.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Good Sunday, and welcome to the Black perspective. As the
rates of black maternal mortality and morbidity among Black women
in the US continue to outpace those of women and
other racial groups, a group of black maternal health advocates
are working to address the issue. In the special Saving
Black Moms Report, the Black Information That Works, Andrea Coleman

(01:27):
explains how doulas are helping to lead the charge.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Prince Sillimore as a founder and executive director of Delighted
to Doulah, a nonprofit organization located in Dallas, Texas.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
So Delighted to Doula stands in the gap. We sit
in the gap actually from delivery from the hospital to
home in the first six weeks. So we're the organization
that sits right there for that six week period.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Those six weeks are critical for post delivery moms.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Mothers get out of the hospital. They're usually not saying
for six weeks, so who's checking on that. Our organization
exists to do that. We are in their homes immediately
after birth. We're speaking to them about symptoms that could
be associated with a morbidity or mortality. Like I said, headaches, hemorrhaging.

(02:21):
We're talking to them about their bleeding, asking them questions,
finding out if they have a headache, any of those things,
their urination, Have you went to the bathroom, because that's
the problem. Also mental health, so we're looking at that
as well. Right around the fourth week, we send out
a survey just it's called a GAD seven or Edtinburg

(02:46):
postpartum Depression Scale, and depending on those results, that helps
us determine if we need to take extra steps to
get them support. Suicide is one of the leading causes
of maternal death, yes, and so we're really paying attention
to what's happening immediately after birth because.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
No one is The monitoring of each concern is especially
important and identifying symptoms of potential life threatening developments. A
few hours before I spoke with Princella, I sat down
with Nicole Berryman, a mother who's twenty six year old daughter, Tiera,
had done what Princeilla advises. In November of last year.
After delivering a healthy baby boy, Tiera returned to the

(03:28):
hospital with intense chest pains. After being discharged, she died
while in the hospital under the care of doctors a
few days later. It's an occurrence that maternal health advocates
say happens far too often to black moms. Princella has
their own thoughts about why.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
The doctors are not listening. They are telling them their story,
that they're saying, this is what's wrong with me, but
they're not listening to the words that are coming out
of her mouth. I had a really good friend of mine.
She passed three days after birth, and so she did
the exact same thing. She called the hospital every single day.
She had a very she had a headache. She kept

(04:09):
telling them that she had this horrible headache. Part of
the placenta was left in her body, which was causing
this headache. And so by the time her husband just
said forget it, I'm about to take you back in,
she died on the table. It was they just didn't
want to hear what she was saying. They dismiss our pain,

(04:30):
dismissed the words that we're actually saying that we're hurting,
we're suffering, we need support, we need help. This is
a problem, this is an issue, and they are just
throwing peel at it or you know, it's normal, it's birth.
You'll be good now.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
You said the word we are you using that specifically
for a certain group or population. Yes, and white black.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Women, because black women are three to four times likely
to die in childbirth. Here in the state of Texas,
the death rate is seventeen point two I believe, yes,
per deaths, per one hundred thousand deaths. That's just in Texas.
But the national rate is sixty nine point nine. This

(05:15):
is just black women that are dying at this rate
three to four times higher than that of white women.
And so, but then if you look at just a morbidity,
like something that just could go wrong and they don't die,
a morbidity is just as bad because maybe their blood
pressure is high, right, they're not checking it and so

(05:37):
that is being dismissed or they almost died. That is
what a morbidity is. They almost die, right, And so
that percentage is one hundred and thirty nine percent of
Black women that almost die in childbirth. But the sad
part about that is that's a long lasting effect. So

(05:58):
whatever happened to them in cowbirth, that is going to
come up years later. So they're gonna have diabetes, or
they're gonna have pressure issues, or they're gonna have heart issues.
That is gonna come up later on in life. And
this is what's happening to our black women. You know,
in the community. We're not we're being ignored, we're not

(06:20):
being listened to, and our symptoms, you know, they they
are being dismissed. Where does Sadula come in.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
What role do you play and what change do you
hope to make.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
One of the biggest things we do is advocacy. We're
helping them avocate for themselves. We're making sure that they
get like our organization, we're making sure that these women
are getting to the hospital that the doctor is actually
listening to them. Because what happens is they you know
who is this, Well, this is my doula. Oh so

(06:55):
this is a professional you know that I brought along
with me. So of course they're going to be on
it know p's and q's and try to do what's
best for that parent. And so we see it because
that's how we were able to catch these blood clots,
because they are going to go and check them for real,
you know. And so that's one thing. But then we're listening.

(07:17):
So when a mother tells us that she's not feeling good,
she means that we know she's not feeling well, yes,
there are some things that's normal after birth, which is
why we talked to them and assess them and ask
all the opened ended questions, you know, not just so
how are you okay? Yes, well that's not enough. Did

(07:37):
you take a bath to that? Yes? You know, no,
when was the last time? Tell me what that experience
was like? Like, we need to know exactly what's going
on in your household, what's going on in your life,
so that we can help assess and advocate for you
for your health and for your health.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
So how does someone become a doula? What's required? What
kind of training or what does training look like?

Speaker 4 (07:59):
So I have to be the president of Kappa, which
is one of the largest DULA organizations in national and international.
It is a two day training over at KAPPA. What
we do is once you take your training, now we
mentor you right and help you with the next steps.
And so this is eighteen hours of training to become

(08:22):
a postpartum birth doula. It doesn't matter, it's still you
know that eighteen hours of training. We go over listening skills,
we go over just practicum, different type of scenarios that
could happen either in the birth space in the post
part of space, how to help families advocate, and then

(08:43):
also how to work with your healthcare professionals. You know,
how to work in that space so that everyone knows
that you're a part of the team. Like we're not
trying to take over care or anything like that. We
actually want to be a part of the team. And
so we also hold space for our mothers, right listening
to all their concerns, giving them those hugs, you know,
that emotional physical support, which is what's needed to get

(09:08):
mothers into motherhood.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
You know, it's a detailed process that Princeilla says should
start months before baby. It's even conceived.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Birth doulas are there during the just during that period, right,
they check on them in the postpartum period, just as
a birth doula, just making sure all things are okay.
Then you have the postpartum doula who who will be
with them. Like us, we're there for the first six weeks.
We can be there, dependent on the circumstances, for like

(09:39):
four months. When you talk about multiples, we're going to
be there a little longer because it's you know, you
have a lot more to do and support. But for
the full year our organization, we check on our mothers
every single month and then they can come into this
beautiful space and we can support them here and you'll
be able to see what we have two bedrooms. Mothers

(10:02):
can reserve and relax and rest. We take care of
their baby while they're resting. We feed them before they leave,
and then we have a one on one visit with
them to make sure that all things are okay. We
do the exact same thing inside their homes, and so
when we're checking on them five months down the line,
it's because maybe they lost their job or maybe they're

(10:24):
now having food insecurities. Right, so you want to continue
to check and monitor your families for that full year
because you never know if you have to go back,
if you have to help them with rental assistance, if
you need to refer them to another community partner. You know,
we want to make sure that they're not just surviving,
that they're thriving. That's what's important. So for.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Expecting moms, when should they contact a duel if they're
interested in bringing them on on their team, and if
they select a doueler, does it mean then that they
don't get medical care?

Speaker 4 (11:01):
Facility O can you do both. You absolutely want to
do both. You once you you need to contact a
doula pre pregnancy. We want you to be educated prior
to becoming pregnant. I think that for Black women we
need that, we need to be educated. My girlfriend that

(11:21):
passed away three days after birth, she actually did that.
She educated herself prior to even becoming pregnant. She ate
all the right foods, she exercised, she went to her
appointments regularly, just like she was supposed to. Yet she
still died. Yet she still died. So that doesn't take

(11:42):
away the fact that you should still have that education.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
You need it.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
But now getting the doula is now there to help
you advocate now. Right if she would have had a doula,
that dula would have advocated for her health and got
her back in there, made that doctor talk to her
and figure out what was going on with her. I
think that's what's unique about us and that's the value
that we hold. And so getting a duel right away,

(12:08):
you want to talk to your midwives or physicians. You
want to plan ahead. If you don't do that as
soon as you find out you're pregnant, start on that team.
Get that birth team together so that they can help
you throughout your whole entire journey and then you can
advocate better. We teach you how to advocate for your health.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Yeah, and what goes into selecting are good and qualified doulah.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
What are we looking for? Someone who's passionate, someone who
hears you and listens to you, someone that is qualified.

Speaker 6 (12:40):
Right.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
You want to make sure that person is certified or
has been with families, has a great reputation in the community,
or you know, just within the birth world itself. But
you want to make sure you match. That's the best
thing about this work is when you sit down with
a family, you want to make sure that you are
with one another. And if you don't, you know, as

(13:03):
me being a trainer, a DULA trainer, I always say
pass the job on to someone else. I've interviewed with
many families that I passed on to other dulas because
it just wasn't a good fit. And I believe that
you should in that space is so sacred that you
really want to be with a family that you know
you want.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
To serve, and families should do the same.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Get someone in your space that you feel comfortable with and.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Are they looking for doula midwife services. Is that how
they would recognize the services that you provide.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
Sometimes midwives if you're looking for that home birth or
that birth center birth. If you want to be able
to get up, walk around, eat while in labor, you
want to go to midwif reroute. Dulas support midwives because
doulas we coach and midwives catch So that's like that.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
There are an estimated nine thousand dulas in the US.
Ten percent of them are believed to be blos. According
to the National Museum of African American History and Culture.
More black women started using the services of midwives and
doulas in the nineteen seventies. Concerns of over medication by
medical professionals and a desire for greater emotional support were

(14:15):
among the reasons leading them to make the change. After
years of seeing the impact dula services have made, Prince
Ella is convinced they are part of the solution and
lowering the black maternal mortality and morbidity rates in the US.
What brought you into this space, into the doula world.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
I'm a caregiver. I am a caregiver at heart. I
used to take care of elderly and so when I
found out about DULA work, it was just the opposite, right,
you can just bringing life into the world, and so
that is what I fell in love with. I fell
in love with supporting parents. I love and I thrive

(14:55):
off of the need. Just the caregiving is. Caregiving is
what it is, and that's what I'm in love with.
Opening up a nonprofit was more about the disparities, the
things that I didn't have. I was a person that
had still have great insurance, great insurance. I saw all
the same doctors that my counterparts saw, and yet as

(15:17):
I'm doing this duel of work, I'm going, Wow, I
received none of this support. I wasn't even asked about breastfitting.
And I'm at the same hospital that they are. I
have probably better insurance than they do, but I wasn't
asked any of the questions. And so as I started
walking through that in my mind and planning for children,

(15:38):
you know later, Wow, I'm giving support to people that
can afford me. But not only that, they're getting they're
given opportunities and they're given resources that I was never given,
not even offered. It was just wasn't I could have
went Also, if someone had told me about it. I

(16:02):
wasn't even told. After I had my children, a social
worker came and visited me to make sure that I
was fit to be a parent. That's what I called it,
because those questions, you know, you don't ask my white
counter parts, those same questions you don't, but you're asking me.
And I got a chance to see all of that
in the birth space. I got a chance to see

(16:24):
that all of that in the postpartum space. And so
that's what drew me to help in my own community
because they need access in any quality care.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Any words, to anyone that may be considering becoming a doula,
why should they and why are they needed?

Speaker 4 (16:39):
You know, this is such a unique profession, and I
think if you have the heart to serve, and I'm
just just serving, you don't have to be in a
nonprofit space. But a doula means woman servant. So if
you have that passion, if you have that heart to
serve a woman that's in going through her journey, I

(17:01):
think you should become a doula or some sort of educator,
lactation support if you know, if those are some of
the things that you love, definitely become a Doula, contact Kappa,
contact me. I'll walk you through there, you know, walk
you right through the door.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
It's a door that's leading to the provision of services
that's helping to save the lives of countless black moms.
I'm Andrea Coleman with this Saving Black Moms special report.
Learn more about bi in's public awareness campaign at binnews
dot com.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Thanks Andrea, we'll have a final report of the Black
Information That Works public awareness campaign Saving Black Moms a
Maternal Health Crisis in the next couple of weeks. Meet
the woman who helped to shape our campaign and how
she is creating a model for supporting black moms through
and after their maternal health journeys. Grammy Award winning R

(17:55):
and B group one twelve is celebrating thirty years of
making music. Did He gave them their start and they
have toured with huge names like Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston,
and The Isley Brothers. To celebrate three decades in the
music industry, the group will kick off their own a
live nation tour called Room one twelve next month. Lead
singer Slim sat down with our own Misty Jordan for

(18:18):
a candidate look back on their career and some exciting
projects they're working on in the near future. Here's part
one of their conversation.

Speaker 6 (18:25):
Joining me today, I have Slim from one twelve in
the building with Black Information Network.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
How are you?

Speaker 7 (18:32):
Oh my god, blessed and howty favorite man. I'm so
excited right now.

Speaker 5 (18:36):
We are too. Thirty years in the business.

Speaker 7 (18:39):
Yes, I can't believe.

Speaker 5 (18:40):
Happy anniversaries.

Speaker 7 (18:42):
Thank you, thank you so much. Thank you off for
everybody for supporting us, like thirty years. I remember when
our first tour we were with the Eisley Brothers and
they were embarking on the fortieth year and I always
say to myself, if we could get the five h
one hot album, and you know what I'm saying, like,

(19:05):
I'll be blessed. So to be here at thirty years
after everything, it's a true testimony and oh my god,
thank you all so much.

Speaker 6 (19:14):
Talk to me about your first concert, because yeah, thirty
years ago, which you can remember, the nerves, the.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
Energy, all of it.

Speaker 6 (19:23):
Tell me walk me back through that first day before
One twelve took the stage for their first concert.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
Where were you?

Speaker 7 (19:29):
Okay, so tour a concert?

Speaker 5 (19:32):
Concert?

Speaker 7 (19:33):
Okay? Our first concert was in North Carolina. I still
can remember. I can smell the grass right now, like
I can. It was an outdoor event. It was I
think maybe it was a few people there, but you
know it was like we were trying to really like
get ourselves, you know, acclimated out here, you know, trying

(19:56):
to prove like, Okay, what's the difference between this group
who's one twelve yeah, versus all the rest of the
groups that were already out and anybody remember the ninety
big names. There was a lot of groups, yes, So
you know, we were trying to just make ourselves very
known and so scared. I just remember just how nervous

(20:18):
I was, you know, because unlike the others, I was
not in chorus, so you know, anything that I did
musically was behind the cello something like that, you know
what I mean. I was in the orchestra like that.
And this this was the first time you're in front
of people and they're looking up at you and it's

(20:39):
like everything determines this joint and you know, it was
like no pressure, but you know, the person said yeah,
so it was just like okay, just hit this thing.
At the time, we didn't have a once ang. It
was only you man. We sung every version we found.

Speaker 8 (20:57):
Possibly could.

Speaker 7 (20:58):
But you know what I mean, we did amazing and
I just remember how people were like looking at us,
like y'all so clean cut, and you know what I'm saying.
We looked in and said, you know, we were like young,
you know, with teenagers, and then they were like, man,
may God bless y'all. You know, we don't know what
you are, what your your story or what like what

(21:19):
what's about to happen, but we're praying for y'all. And
that was in North Carolina, so that really stuck. So
now here we are, here we are. So you're going
to kick off a huge tour.

Speaker 6 (21:31):
Yes, starts in Akron, Ohio, and it ends in the
Egg and the ATM baby, I mean, because it's only
right that you ended in the ad.

Speaker 7 (21:40):
Yes, man, you know, right now we're trying to add
a second show because the ticket sales are going really
really good already. Of course, of course, so as soon
as we get to like a thousand, over one thousand,
well twelve hundred, so I think we already sold a thousand,
But after after we sell those, then their Life Nation's

(22:01):
going to add another one because we got too many
family members and everybody's trying to ask people.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
Are excited about this.

Speaker 6 (22:09):
I mean, this is gonna be I mean the nostalgia,
the core memories from one twelve.

Speaker 5 (22:13):
I mean, I am excited.

Speaker 6 (22:15):
I told people that I was coming in to interview you,
and everybody was singing cupid all. I'm on the phone
trying to have a conversation. Yeah, and everybody. I mean,
it's just you know, this is music that sticks to you.

Speaker 7 (22:27):
Yeah, you know what's crazy? You know, like one twelve,
Unlike a lot of the groups that are there a
loud mosus one twelve, we don't really do too much
talking and sometimes the only way we do our talking
is through song. So if anybody's been paying attention to
paying attention to social media, you know, we've been doing
certain platforms like we just did the calact Chronicles and

(22:51):
where it seemed like everybody was like, oh my god,
what if they've been oh these songs.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
I loved that when you did it too.

Speaker 7 (23:00):
Yeah, and if you I just wanted people, so I
want everybody, if you all would look at it again. Yeah,
I want you to see my expression on my face.
It was more personal than anything. It was more like
it was different than just singing it normally right this
one right here. The feeling of being able to sit

(23:22):
back in the old school car like I used to
do with my dad. You know what I'm saying. He
had the old school christis of three hundred, you know
what I mean, with a whole bunch of you know
what I'm saying, I'm sliding all of it. But this
time it was like we got we got to drop
top back and now to be able to ride down
atr after thirty years of our testimony and singing those songs,
and those songs that we sat there and wrote without

(23:44):
ourselves and probably produced ourselves. Now they're considered classics. And
it was like that feeling when we were singing Cupid
and you could see me I had closed my eyes
with a smell it man, and people would saying, this
man is making a movie. And if anybody understood, if
anybody saw that and they felt that, thank you, because

(24:08):
that's what it feels like, and that's what that energy's
going to feel like on this tour.

Speaker 6 (24:13):
At the concert, tell me what you're most proud of,
Slim at this point in your career. I mean, I
imagine there's so many moments that stand out for you.
But what are you most proud of?

Speaker 7 (24:24):
You know what? The biggest one I probably look at
the fact that you can do everything that you want
without abandoning the other person next to you. So with me, right,
and this might be a personal and it goes into
my business. I'm with a mind frame of us an hour.
So you know, like when you I started off in

(24:48):
the church, right, when you start off in the church,
when you start you sing in the choir, So no
matter what how well you think you can sing or whatever,
you do everything together to make it sound great, right,
and then you know you're you're trying to let people
know what the word is. Same thing here, right, And

(25:10):
the one thing I just love about being in one
like just doing this one twelve things that if you
see anybody pays attention to Slim. I'm able to do
my solo stuff. I'm able to do philanthropy stuff. Everybody
knows me through the community. Like, I'm able to do
all these things right, all these investments, whatever I got
going on, and I can still do it with the

(25:32):
same love. And looking at my team and everybody eats together.
That's the part that I you know that anybody wants
to notice what drives Slim and why do things. It's
not myself. It's about looking at the person that y'all
don't even see. And I know that that person is

(25:53):
doing well his family and his kids, and I'm able
they call me uncle and this. You know what I'm saying.
That's what saw that matters. Thirty years of having the
same team and we all still eating together.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
That's beautiful.

Speaker 6 (26:06):
Yeah, because it doesn't happen a lot, and especially with
black people.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
Let's be honest.

Speaker 7 (26:10):
I'm telling you right now. And that's the part where
I'm trying to you know, I know people a lot
of people pay attention to what's going wrong with us. Yeah,
and you know, and I always tell people, you know,
our book is still being written and Jesus is the author.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
I love that, you know.

Speaker 7 (26:27):
What I'm saying. And I'm gonna tell y'all something too.
Just because your favorite character is not in the book
anymore doesn't determine how well the book is. So I
want everybody to understand that what drives Slim. So when
you ask the questions and understand who I am as

(26:49):
a person, Yeah, think about that, then then ask you
a question.

Speaker 6 (26:54):
I love that you have three sons. Yes, we're also
following in the music industry for a while.

Speaker 7 (27:00):
Well, I had drugged them, so I was I going
to tell you like this. You know, everybody said, did
you try to see if they can see?

Speaker 8 (27:09):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (27:09):
I did.

Speaker 7 (27:10):
They don't. They took the They took the academic part
of me. So you know what I'm saying. So they're
academically inclined. They were great in school. They came out,
they're now doing things, you know, like they love computer
coding and stuff like that. So so a lot of
the things that you see, like as far as my

(27:30):
social media and stuff like that, I have my sons
involved in it. Like my youngest son, he's great with
shooting short film movies and stuff like that. I have
my my my my middle son was he did my
my actual website. He put it together. He was like
that you need it. My oldest son said, Dad, man

(27:54):
your new single. I mean, Dad, you don't have a
lyric lyric. I was like, what what is that? What
you mean? I mean I usually see these and tape. No,
that your old Okay, all right, they figured it out
before me, and so I'm grateful for them.

Speaker 6 (28:12):
And that's wonderful because that allows them to actually take
a role and play a role in your success. And
it also gives them something that they can be proud of. Yes,
and their father is still making this music that that
people love and are singing too. So how does how
does that show up for you when their friends are like,

(28:32):
slim is your dad?

Speaker 8 (28:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (28:34):
You know it's crazy. So my son Trey, like, he's
my oldest son, hardcore in to R and B. Right,
So he went down I'd say about a month ago,
Gibeon came down over here off of on Highway eighty five.
He always goes over here. It's a very unknown spot

(28:56):
down there, and everybody usually goes there. Give you On
was there signing autographs. He introduced himself and he said,
my father is the lead singer of one twelve. And
somebody snapped the picture of when he said that, and
the expression on Giveon's face was like priceless and it

(29:21):
was just like he took the picture and he was
like Dad for him to say, Dad, I was so proud,
like the fact that somebody I listened to Yeah, and
he knew who you were, and you know, he was
like Dad, that's crazy. Dad, Like that's amazing. So right there,
you know, you know I cried in the corner. You

(29:41):
know what I'm saying, because you have.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
A chance to see you as an artist and not
just as a father.

Speaker 7 (29:46):
Right Yeah, and he's seen it, Yeah you've seen it.
But you know, but yeah, I'm always being the father
to just get over there, don't step in front of them.

Speaker 6 (29:55):
So he got a chance to see you from somebody
else's perspective.

Speaker 7 (29:58):
Yes, So that you know, that means a lot to me.
And that's the reason why I name my label M
three Productions M three. All of them have their first
name stars with M three of them M three production.

Speaker 5 (30:11):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
We'll have more with Slim from one twelve next Sunday
on The Black Perspective. You can find out more information
about the Room one twelve Live Nation tour with Total
and Case on their website one twelve forever dot com,
and you can follow Misty on Instagram at Misdyjradio. Recently,
in Dallas, Texas, the black police chief rejected a twenty

(30:34):
five million federal offer to help ice with immigration enforcement.
Some are calling him a hero, but one black YEO
professor tells the Black Information that works us to Dilder,
his action is what other police agencies have a right
to do. In this discussion, doctor Philip Patibo Solomon addresses
the President's recent increase in sending federal officials and the

(30:56):
National Guarden to blue cities around the country in the
name of safety, that it's not about safety at all.

Speaker 8 (31:03):
This has nothing to do with safety, nothing to do
with law and order. We've got the federal government that
is violating their written agreements with these jurisdictions, both state
and local, in order to come in in the first place,
and is failing to notify, which creates incredible risk for
the officers.

Speaker 10 (31:21):
Today on the Color between the Lines, I'm joined by
doctor Philip Attiba Solomon, Professor of Psychology and Black Studies
at Yale University and co founder of the Center for
Policing Equity. Doctor Solomon has spent years studying how racial
bias and policing intersect, and he now is sounding the
alarm about what he calls a dangerous step toward authoritarianism,

(31:44):
the growing militarization of America's police and cities.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
The administration.

Speaker 10 (31:49):
Their goal appears to be deploying federal agents and National
guardsmen in order to restore order and protect communities. But
why do you believe that An and others believe that
this approach could be dangerous.

Speaker 8 (32:04):
Yeah, so I have to push back on the framing
of the question. I don't believe for a second that
this administration is trying to restore order. I don't believe
that this administration has a good faith belief that there
isn't order in Baltimore or DC, or LA or Portland
or Chicago. I believe that this administration would like to

(32:28):
create visual displays of law enforcement being replaced by the
military in places that are not where he gets a
lot of votes. When you normalize seeing the military going in,
it starts to feel like, well, maybe the military should
go in, right, Maybe it's reasonable to have the military

(32:50):
go in. And that allows for the sort of public
safety function that police play to be usurped by the
federal government. And so instead of having eighteen thousand law
enforcement agencies that are at least supposed to be responsive
to local communities, you have one law enforcement agency which

(33:11):
is consolidated under an authoritarian, aspiring president. And I believe,
as Governor Prinsker just said yesterday, that the entirety like
These folks are not particularly sophisticated, right, They're not particularly complex.
So the entire rationale of this is when you normalize it,
then when there's a crisis that you need to produce,

(33:33):
for instance, around an election, then you can go ahead
and send your own personal army to affect the change
that you need around that crisis that you have produced.
So each of these are test runs to say how
big and how scary can we make these places that
are other to the folks who support me, who I

(33:56):
need to maintain my political power. This has nothing to
do with safety, nothing to do with law and order.
We've got the federal government that is violating their written
agreements with these jurisdictions, both state and local, in order
to come in in the first place, and is failing
to notify, which creates incredible risk for the officers, not

(34:17):
just the local law enforcement, but for the federal officers.
Enormous risk right as well as shame and embarrassment on
the part of law enforcement on all sides. But the
goal is the consolidation of political power. And until we
name that as such, and that name it as that's
what we're watching, then we're going to engage in these
silly distraction debates of like, well maybe we should all

(34:40):
celebrate if bringing sending of the military brings crime down.
We shouldn't. It won't and that's not the issue in
the first place.

Speaker 10 (34:50):
Well, so, and I understand your argument, and I think
it really makes sense, But it feels like and this
is from my perspective of seeing report of other people
interviewing locals on the ground talking about local crime and
how it's gotten out of control, And what do you
say to those people who really feel like this might

(35:12):
be a reasonable response.

Speaker 8 (35:15):
Yeah, so I am really sensitive to the idea that
my experience of crime and disorder is untethered to the
reality of it. Right. If you've ever been at a
party and you see somebody getting just a little bit
extra tipsy, makes you feel like the whole party is drunk, Right, No,
it's just that one woman over there, right, who don't

(35:37):
like her life decisions, right, But all of a sudden,
it feels like the whole party is drunk, And like,
am I unusually sober? Do I need to figure out
what to do? Do I need to drink more or
leave the party? We have seen so many images of
the lawless American city over the last several months. It
can definitely feel that way, and it is the natural

(35:57):
tendency of both local and national media, right they say,
if it bleeds, it leads to lead with sensationalized stories
of crime, by the way, particularly if they're perpetrated by
black or brown people, black and brown men in particular.
So Travis Dixon, the brilliant communications scientists at the University
of Illinois, has said for years that the representation on

(36:19):
local media does not look like the actual representations of
people committing crimes. So for folks who are saying, oh,
it's out of control, do they know that we've seen
a record dip in violent crime in each one of
these cities in the course of the last couple of years.
Probably not. And I don't know that it's reasonable to
expect that the whole of the population should be up

(36:40):
to date on our crime stats. But just because you
feel some type of way doesn't mean it is that
type of way, And we should have policy that's tethered
to reality and not individuals feelings.

Speaker 10 (36:53):
Which makes sense. I want to ask about how do
we balance between maintaining order and serving civil liberties. What
would be your approach in how to answer that question.

Speaker 8 (37:06):
Yeah, I think I'm so glad for the framings of
these questions because it gets me to be able to
talk about the way we frame these questions. Historically, we
think about it as well, we might have to have
some intrusions into our liberties in order to keep ourselves safe.
And in fact, the whole idea of the reason why
we live together as society is that if we're just

(37:28):
by ourselves, stuff gets rough out there in the state
of nature, right, like big people beat up little people
and it's just not fair. But it turns out that
once you've decided to live together, our civil liberties and
our safety are the same. I don't mean that in
some kind of radical leftist crazy notion right or radical
right crazy notion. I mean that in terms as a scientist.

(37:51):
When people believe that they will be respected and that
law enforcement or whoever is going to show up in
response to a christ is going to respond appropriately, proportionally
and with the interest of the full community, they're more
likely to report that something was done that broke a
rule when people don't believe that's going to happen, right,

(38:14):
So I don't believe that whoever's going to show up,
is going to respect me, is going to treat the
community respectfully. Guess what they don't do. The reason why
we have a culture of no snitchen not just in
incarrarecerated facilities, but in black and brown communities. The reason
why anybody teaches their kids that is because when you
report to the authorities, we're going to have a worse outcome,

(38:38):
Which is why the murder clearance rate that means the
ability to hold an individual accountable for taking someone's life,
is below fifty percent in a large number of our
vulnerable communities. How is that people know who did it?
Is not confusing, but they're not willing to talk about
it because the cure is worse than the disease. So

(39:02):
when we think about safety as opposed to liberty, or
how do we balance it, it's a false dichotomy. The way
you get safer communities is you have a more trustworthy
set of systems, because only then do you get cooperation
with them. And as it turns out, law enforcement cannot
do anything like a job we'd be happy with if
they don't have the consent of the governed, And right now,

(39:23):
in too many of the most vulnerable communities, they don't.
The problem is not the people who live there. The
problem is the systems that afflict them.

Speaker 10 (39:31):
So, what, in your opinion, would be some of those
tweaks to the system that would be answers to some
of the concerns of those who are questioning whether we
should have this kind of policing in the first place.

Speaker 8 (39:46):
Yeah, So I want to be clear that part of
what we're going through right now is a world where
the narratives that we're given are untethered to the communities
where this stuff is happening. So when people say, well,
you don't care about victims of crime, I'm like, oh, really,

(40:06):
that's a great thing to bring up, right, Not that
I don't care, but what do the victims and survivors
of violent crime what they want? What would happen if
our policies were set up actually around the people who
were most afflicted by violence. Well, it turns out, by
at least to ten to one margin, they would prefer
investment in job training to further investment in police and

(40:29):
incarceration facilities, and by a fifteen to one margin, they
would run investment in educational facilities to more policing and
more incarceration facilities. So now, who doesn't care about the
victims of crime? Is it me who knows that and
talks to those folks and does those service. By the way,
that's a survey originally done by the Alliance for Safety

(40:50):
and Justice that came out with that. So if you
want to go fact check me, go ahead to take
a look at that. Also support their work. Right, is
it me who knows that and communicates with folks who
live in those communities, or to the folks who want
to use the specter of crime for their own political game,
who want to play tough guy rather than create strong communities.
I make the argument that if you really care about safety,

(41:11):
you should talk about talk to the people who feel
least safe, and those folks know it's their neighbors who
are most likely both to victimize them and to be victimized.
They understand there isn't a simple solution where it's deserving
people and undeserving people. It's communities that don't have enough

(41:32):
and people making bad choices when all they have is
terrible options. When you start to reframe the question that way,
the solutions are fairly straightforward. And by the way, we
have very recent very strong evidence that there are solutions
that don't require that we make demons of our neighbors.

Speaker 10 (41:51):
You can hear more of that deep conversation with doctor
Philip at Tiba Solomon on the Color Between the Lines
YouTube channel, the audio podcast on iHeart or wherever you
get your podcasts. I'm Aster Dillard, Thank.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
You, Thanks Philip. Ben Esther the Black Information Networks. Morgan
would caught up with Tennessee's District eighty six Representative Justin
Pearson at the fifty eighth Congressional Black Caucus Annual Legislative Conference.
Pearson shared the importance of attending the event the current
political climate, and he shared a message for those who
are living in fear.

Speaker 11 (42:25):
All right here at the Congressional Black Caucus and your
Legislative conference and joining me right now is Justin Pearson, Tennessee.

Speaker 12 (42:33):
Right absolutely, District eighty six and the building Memphis, Memphis,
of course only place to be.

Speaker 11 (42:39):
My glow step. Talk to me about the importance of
you being at this conference.

Speaker 12 (42:44):
Yeah, the Congressional Black Caucus is an opportunity for us
to gather to talk about policy, to talk about politics,
and talk about the progress that we need to make
as a culture and as a community. If we are
not engaged in politics, the people who are engaged are
going to be deciding and dictating what happens in our lives.
From the congressional level all the way down to the
county and city level. We have to be active participants
in the change that we're going to create. And politics

(43:05):
and government touches every facet of our lives, and particularly
in this moment where we have want to be dictator
as president of the United States of Congress that's crippled
by incompetence and a Supreme Court that has bought and
paid for. We have to be the voice of the
people and the consciousness of government and politics in our communities.

Speaker 11 (43:23):
I really appreciate that, and I know that you know,
not that long ago you were removed and then you
were also reinstated, that people spoke. So what do you
make of what has happened since then and now where
we are.

Speaker 12 (43:35):
I mean, look, autocracy has been happened. Tennessee has been
the laboratory of autocracy, and so I'm not shocked by
any of the authoritarian actions or anything.

Speaker 8 (43:47):
This is what we've seen.

Speaker 12 (43:48):
They expelled duly elected lawmakers out of their offices because
we were fighting to income violence.

Speaker 8 (43:53):
This isn't new.

Speaker 12 (43:54):
What we're seeing is the scale of things that have
been happening in Tennessee, in Florida, in Mississippi, in Texas
now going national. We all need to be cognizant about
what is happening, which is the deterioration of our democracy.
And there's only one group of people that are going
to benefit from that, the extremely ultra wealthy, white and
powerful men, more often than not, to take away our rights,

(44:17):
to reduce our ability to vote, to reduce our ability
to change systems that we know are crippling our communities.

Speaker 11 (44:23):
This is an annual legislative conference, and I want to
ask you what are some legislative actions that are all
in your agenda?

Speaker 12 (44:30):
Yeah, I mean, one main thing we have to do
is fight back. I think it was Mother Jones who said,
you know, fight like hell for the living and more
in the dead. Right, Like, we need to be fighting
at the congressional level, in every state house, in every locality.
We have to fight back against what we are seeing happen. Simultaneously,
let's continue to fight for laws that are going to
improve economics and affordability. We know these tariffs and the

(44:52):
decisions made by this administration is one of the largest
transfers of wealth from poor folk to the richest people
in the world. We have to be prepared to raise
the minimum wage and to fight for that so that
people can be able to survive in this country. We
have to meet the needs of people who are hungry.
And in the state of Tennessee, one out of eight
kids go to bed every night hungry. Thirty seven point

(45:14):
two percent of children live under the poverty line in
District nine, our congressional district. We have some serious issues
that need to be addressed that can only be fixed
if we change the system, and right now is rigged
against us. It's rigged against black folks, Latino folks, poor
white folks. And the only way we do that is
what legislative fixes. But it's not just going to happen
at the national level. We're going to have to look

(45:35):
at our states. We're gonna have to look at our
city governments and look to our county governments to help
create and implement some of the change to particularly when
you have super majority of Republican control or you have
the trifecta that's here in.

Speaker 11 (45:46):
DC many people are scared right now. What's your message
to those who are just fearful considering today's political climate.

Speaker 12 (45:54):
Yeah, I mean, it's absolutely understandable. We're seeing people getting
kidnapped off the streets Illinois. A man was shot and
killed by ice agents after dropping his children off at school.
It's a terrifying time, and we can own that, and
we have the work of being well and trying to
take care of ourselves and create joy and peace even

(46:16):
amidst all of this pain. But as I understand the
story of our ancestors and the story even of this nation,
even in moments of destruction, there's always opportunities for construction,
And even amidst this moment where we're seeing the destruction
of so many of our rights, some of the values
that we have known for so long, we have to
be intentional about constructing the different future, one that is

(46:36):
not yet but that we always cling to as possible.
It's a future where every kid gets an education that
they deserve, every person gets access to healthcare that we
know that they need just to be alive, every veteran,
and every person gets housing that right now they're being
deprived of because the costs are so high because billionaires
are buying our properties left and right and pricing people
out of their homes. We have to cling to that

(46:58):
vision rest when we needed and when we want to
create joy and memories with those whom we love and
who love us, and also be well for the fight ahead.

Speaker 11 (47:08):
Congressman Pearson, thank you. But before I let you go,
how can we continue to follow the work.

Speaker 8 (47:12):
That you're doing?

Speaker 12 (47:13):
Yeah, please go to votejustinj dot com, sign up for
our newsletter. We don't spam people, but we do reach
out there and then on social media at justin J.

Speaker 8 (47:21):
Pearson.

Speaker 11 (47:21):
I kind of want to also ask you what's next.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
Serving the people always?

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Thanks Morgan and Justin. Stay tuned for more interviews from
the fifty eighth Congressional Black Caucus. Doug Davis is back
with another segment titled to Your Black Business. Doug will
speak with a husband and wife duo who are turning
the art world upside down by giving black artists an
opportunity to gainfully profit from their affairs by giving one

(47:47):
hundred percent of earnings that go right back to them.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Doug, Hey, this is Doug Davis. Welcome to Your Black
Business this October. As we celebrate Black Fine Art Month.
We're spotlighting a cultural movements, rewriting the rules of the
art world and putting black artists fun and center. It's
called Butter, a fine arts flair founded by husband and
wife duo Malley and Alan Bacon through their creative firm Ganggang.

(48:13):
Since launching in twenty twenty, Butter has welcomed over forty
six thousand attendees, showcased one hundred and eighty nine black artists,
and generated more than one point one million dollars in
art sales. And these wonderful couple they're with us right now.
Welcome to the Black Information Network and your Black business.

(48:34):
That's when you say, hey, thanks for having me, thank you, Oh.

Speaker 13 (48:40):
My god, it's a pleasure to be on. Thank you
so much for taking the time. And we're looking forward
to to digging into everything Butter.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Likewise, sir, so let's start at the beginning. What inspired
you guys to launch Ganggang, How did the name come about?
And the vision that evolved from the Butter Artfair.

Speaker 9 (48:58):
It was the year twenty twenty and if you you know,
remember we all remember, the world stopped. Cities were in
crisis and kind of wondering what to do. We were
faced with a double pandemic, you know, the civil rights
movement of our time, and then of course the COVID
nineteen crisis to our city. We are in the middle
of Indiana, we are in Indianapolis. Our city was no different.

(49:21):
And our city called on us at that time because
we were already being so vocal about the power of
the art. And so they asked, maman, what what do
we do at this time? How do we repair? How
do we heal? What do we say? What? What's the statement?
What's the dei plan that you can come up with
for us?

Speaker 13 (49:42):
And this I mean and if everything twenty twenty was
about what separates people, we know that you know, art
and culture is the thing that brings people together. So
that was really just the uh, just the ethos and
the impetus of what is is Ganggang It's a you know,
the cultural development firm that you know works to send
their beauty, green culture and cities by activating the creative economies.

(50:02):
So there are you know, work you know touches pretty
intintly just just the art sector, the creative sector, and
we get an opportunity to promote and amplify artists voices
and to tell through authentic stories and to challenge systems
and to really think about what is you know, economic
viability for artists. You know, what does it look like

(50:23):
to connect you know, the diaspora in a very interesting
ways that produces a culture, that promotes cultures that enable
to preserve culture at scale.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
So how did the you know, how did the funding start?
I mean, you know, we all have great ideas, but
it takes money to move things. How'd that come about?

Speaker 9 (50:39):
Well, we knew we needed to turn to the philanthropic
sector for support to get something like this in action
right away, and so we knew that there would need
to be a balance between you know, charitable giving and
also fee for service based work like working directly with
private institutions that want to solve problems creatively. We went

(51:00):
to the Central Indiana Community Foundation. Brian Payne was a
very he's still very visionary worldwide leader that that listened
to our plea. You know, we had an answer for
the moment. We knew what to do. We knew to
give the power to the artists, and you know, he
believed us, and he said, you know, let's see put

(51:21):
this on paper. We raised what two hundred and two
hundred fifty thousand dollars and were able to launch with
that within six months.

Speaker 13 (51:30):
Yes, I mean so we turned that you know, that
seed investment into a four million dollar operating budget within
two years. And I think it just shows just the
power of you know, what is our what is culture?
And we understand innately what that means when we landed here,
you know, four hundred years ago on ships, you know
what was taken from us. It was our spoken word,

(51:51):
it was our language, it was our fashion, it was
our food or to them, you know, all the things.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Absolutely in the industry where fine artists earn very low
average salaries, you guys have flipped the model. No fees,
no kind of commissions, just full ownership. What does that
do for an artist confidence, their livelihood and you know,
their ability to dream bigger in this world?

Speaker 13 (52:17):
Yeah, thank you for that question. I mean it's you
know better having a model of having one hundred percent
of you know, sales, you know, go back there artists
is a different you know model and take. But I mean,
if you think about this, what this has has been
able to do, I mean it's challenging that dichotomy between
value and worth so we understand this from a value
standpoint when there's an amazing song or a beautiful visual

(52:39):
art piece, but you know, it's that worth which is
the cost, you know, that cost associated to the value,
which that gap is usually wide. So we can agree
this is amazing, but just the cost of sociated associated
to it is really what you know, lags a lot,
and that really lacks a lot in our culture, you know,
as it relates to you know, how we perceive value
and worth. So what Butter does and just these types

(53:02):
of initiatives and tactics, it's like helping to align what
that value and work looks like. So you know, we
can challenge, like what is a starving artist. It shouldn't
be like there's no other starving nothing in any other sectors.
But that's a tag that's connected to credit sector and
we know it just so happens that we find a
lot of you know, persons of color like within that sector.
So what does it look like to you know, challenge

(53:24):
you know, those those dichotomies of scale, but also you know,
amplify you know, what is not monolithic and we think
about black art when you think about opportunities, when you
think about what we produce and just the things that's
just within the scope of our sphere.

Speaker 9 (53:39):
Beyond that, beyond like investing in their you know kind
of financial future, we're also telling ourselves, like meaning cities
and society about what the artists have already given us.
Like our point, our mindset is that we need them.
You know, they are singing and they are drawing and

(54:01):
painting and dancing our healing.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
You know.

Speaker 9 (54:04):
So the one hundred percent model at Butter itself is
for reparations. You know, they already earned it.

Speaker 8 (54:11):
They already deserve it.

Speaker 9 (54:12):
Of course we're giving them one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
How do you curate the experience? You know, how does
that go about?

Speaker 13 (54:18):
Well butter Butter has been likened to just the black
bossle of the Midwest. I mean, so it's it's an
experience that centers you know, visual art at its core.
But you know, we wrapped around the entire art and
creative sector, you know, around like what is uh this
this you know this beautiful art fair. So so there's

(54:39):
the food and the culinary aspect and they're there are
makers and craters and designers and and music. We you
know feature over like fifty DJs that that usually perform
at Butter along with with the live performances. So I
think this just the opportunity to show just the beauty
and the density of our culture, but in all the

(55:01):
parts and just with all the spokes of the wheel
as it relates to, you know, our art is you
know what makes I guess just the magnetic power of
what is Butter.

Speaker 8 (55:11):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Now you guys have gotten a lot of support from
celebrities Mike Apps, Vivica Fox, Tyrese, you know, and you're
expanding into La, Chicago and Miami. What's driving that growth?
I think you touched on it earlier, but how do
you stay rooted in your community? You know as you
scale nationally.

Speaker 9 (55:32):
We are introducing the first full scale Butter in Los Angeles.
So Butter LA at the end of February twenty twenty
six will be the first and only other you know,
full scale Butter, And so we're wanting to carry the
intention the model is to carry the same core values
from Butter you know, Butter here in indye anywhere, but

(55:54):
especially you know, but into La as it goes there.
So some of those kind of value systems that we
that we implement here are preserving fifty percent of exhibition
space for Indiana based artists. So that will carry through
in LA fifty percent of all exhibition space, all the artwork,
the artists will be California based, and then twenty five

(56:15):
percent Indiana based and then twenty five percent worldwide.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
So for folks listening right now, whether they're may be
a black artist, a black collector, or just you know
kind of like art from the outside, what's your message
to them?

Speaker 5 (56:30):
Oh, please meet us.

Speaker 9 (56:31):
We want to have a conversation. We'd love to have
a meal, connect with us so that you can understand,
you know, kind of the mission here and the heart here.
We're accessible. We love learning and growing and talking to anyone.
We love collectors. We understand the necessity of the collector

(56:52):
market and the collector base. We have to keep supporting
our artists and for the artists like we are here
in service to you, Like that is that is our
work every day. That is our motivation, And we don't
have a plan B. We are in service to the artists.
So please don't hesitate right right.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
How can folks reach you?

Speaker 9 (57:11):
Butterartfair dot com. We're at butter Artfair on Instagram.

Speaker 13 (57:16):
We're active there and also gang gang culture on Instagram
as well, which houses Butter.

Speaker 9 (57:25):
Yes, and Butter is always open to volunteers. We are
open to sponsors in both markets and the Indianapolis market
and the LA market. This is a you know, national effort,
so sponsorships are available. We do a wonderful job caring
for and loving on our partners, so we Butter is open.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
That's great, that's great. All right, any final words.

Speaker 13 (57:49):
No, man, I think you know, we really appreciate this
conversation and this narrative. There's not a lot of, you know,
opportunities where we can really speak truth to situations. You know,
we believe that, you know, Butter is a very organic,
you know, aspect of growth and it's engineering a lot
of I guess appreciation, information remembrance as it relates to

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our culture, and it's a great opportunity I think for
individual to tap into a fine art market but also
just have an easy entry point.

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