Kenny Wiggins

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Episode Transcript

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Alright, alright, alright, welcomeback to an episode of Bricky Juice.
I'm your host, frankently did today we got a hot one on the
pod. Hot Kenny Wiggins. Hewas in my mom and dad's basement.
That's how long ago he was onthe pod. That's what our production level
is at. We have now revamped, resurfaced. Everybody Juice is firing on
all cylinder's Kenny, Great to seeyou, Great to be here. Yeah,

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I know you're a little piss.Kenny's jersey's not on the wall yet.
I promise, though, we willswap it out for one of the
prime jerseys that gets a lot ofvideo covering. All right, I'm I'm
waiting and it'll be I won't holdmy breath, and then you'll co host
a couple and like you'll be like, listen, bro, I know what,
I know what I'm talking about jersey. Okay, I guess. So
yeah, that's fine. All right, So I want to start it off

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hot. Everyone's talking about it rightnow. It's the obvious. I think
we have some hot takes though.Conference realignment, it's a very fair term
for it. I made a little, you know, Instagram reel a couple
of days ago just kind of givenmy two cents of PAC twelve. What
are you doing? Man? Whatare you doing? There's a there's an
office somewhere Kenny where people get upand go to work every day and they

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work for the PAC twelve and theyhad a bad day one day and they're
like, oh no, we lostso and so, and then they got
oh no we lost so and so. We started off with ucln USC but
that was kind of okay, whatever'llbe okay, who are we gonna take
anybody? And then it's turned intooh, Colorado left. Well it's because

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they have Dion Sanders, and nowthere's not really back twelve left, no
pack four. What do you think? Let's talk about just what that office
was like to start. Okay,I bet they were all what is going
on? Like barn fire? RightLike? I just feel like it's kind

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of I don't want to call ita safe job, but let's be honest.
Let's say you're the commissioner or thePAC twelve. Media days are a
big deal for you because you know, you're kind of in front of a
camera. What you gotta meet withthe ads, it's kind of a big
deal. You probably do that,what a couple of times a year.
Maybe you're gonna be at the PACtwelve Championship game to present some sort of

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a award probably here, yeah,exactly what else? They probably have a
conference commissioner like meeting with the SECand the ACC and the Big twelve and
all that, so you get togo to that. But realistically, it's
not like day in and day out, you're you're trading stocks or running a

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business or doing all this like it'skind of an established thing. Oh yeah,
and you're just kind of there tonot mess it up and and and
drive I don't want to call it. You're not driving a speedboat through a
river. You're driving a brush shipin the middle of the Atlantic Ocean and
just don't hit a giant rock.Yes, and they somehow hit a bunch

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of rocks, a bunch of chinas. So yes, I agree, it's
nothing short of a show. ButI just wonder what happened one of those
days. Yeah, I just theonly way I can like think of it,
it's just they got comfortable, likeyeah, there's there's like no way
the PAC twelve is gonna pacteals alwaysgoing to be around, right, Like,

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so and then once USC and UCLA, who are USC is probably the
anchor of the PAC twelve, theyleave and then all this like you Dubs
and Colorado are like, oh wellwe can leave too, Like if as
he's gonna as he's gone, thenwhy why are we gonna be here?
Do you think? And I kindof put the I put it in the

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terms of like, Okay, thebig what if was the TV deal And
as we both know, sports areran off of money. So when there's
a TV deal that can't be sealedand the only reason you're after this TV
deal is to ultimately bring in moremoney? What what took so long?
And that's why I don't think theguy was just going to work in one

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day the PAC twelve collapsed. Theyhad at least a year to figure out
what are we going to do withour media deal? And they hit a
point where it was time to getoff the pot well big time. I
mean it's it's it should be interestingto see what happens because are they going

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to combine the Mountain West and theand the PAC twelve. Now what I
think they should do They should justdo regions right, so like everybody in
the West should be in one team. You're talking, you're talking, you're
rid of conference as a whole.I mean, have a West conference,
have a Mountain conference, have aMidwest conference, have a Eastern conference,
and have a South conference. There'sfive conferences, and you play twenty teams

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in each conference, twenty five teamsin each conference. You drafted schedule,
You draft your schedule or like youyou get lottery lottery scheduled. You have
like a lottery pick for the entirelike preseason or whatever. What teams playing
which week? Like I get riggsso much, but how cool would it
be though? Like what teams playwhich week? Ye? Then of the

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year? No, yeah, exactlyyea, well no they have like a
show or yeah, but not weeksept But like in the beginning of the
season, it's like, all right, Fresno States playing UCLA week two,
right, you know what I mean? Exactly right? That would have to
do some sort of like home andaway thing, right, Like that would
be sick, Yeah, that wouldthat would be sick. Like So you're

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saying, break it up in theregions, create a lottery, make it
to where that lottery decides who youplay that schedule, yeah in your region.
Yeah, and then you have apool, and then you have a
pool, and then you have likeEast West team or like North South teams
whatever, two divisions, and theyhave a conference championship. So you have
five conference champions all get into thebowl games, and then you have three

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at large bids for the for theeight for the eight spots. It would
be sick. It'd be sick.It would be so sick. Would it
become biased though, because two things? Okay, would it become biased because
like, let's just use Auburn,Florida, Alabama, and Georgia. I'm
just thinking from a geographic standpoint,they would all be in the same conference

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right now. That would be thepowerhouse for sure, would they get But
that's kind of already how it is. It's how it is. So basically
we're just saying, hey Washington,hey, uh, back back step a
few basically saying hey, usc U, you're coming back to the West coast.
Yeah, that's really all it is. Texas maybe in Oklahoma, like

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I get there going to the SEC. That was I understand that move kind
of, but at the same time, really Texas, I think Texas is
not going to go eleven and oneever, they haven't They haven't in years
since two thousand and five or whenever. Vince Young, I know, I
don't know. So you so that'syour that's your final that that would be.

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I just think it would be reallycool. And then it's like the
regions like are like proud of eachother, so right, you know what
I mean? So like each other. Yeah, not like okay, the
sc is playing whatever in the Bigtwelve, like in Ohio, like travel
would be different or travel would beeasier to stay all all on the West
coast. Good for both away fansand knowledges itself. And one thing in

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the Missouri coach that have forgot hisname, but like he did bring up
a good point in the sense ofand Kenny, like we know this from
being a college student athlete, wheretraveling for football it's it's kind of like,
Okay, you leave on a Fridayafter practice and then you get back
latest hell Saturday, realistically Sunday morning. And that's one thing. And traveling

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long aer plan rides when you gottago fly to Hawaii, that sucks.
I know Forrest's day had to goplay Yukon. That was that was the
way game. But I think ofthe other sports, Baseball, you gotta
go play a four game series.You go to you let's say you go
to UCLA and all of a suddenyou're in the Big Tent. Oh,
you have a four game series againstMaryland this week, and then you gotta
go back to UCLA and play afour game series and then go back to

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Rutgers. Yeah, that's not that'snot great. It sucks. It sucks.
And I also think that I cansee teams doing what Hawaii does,
Like let's say they play back toback. Well, now you're gone for
two weeks. That's hard to bea student actually and not go to class
for two weeks. Yep, ifif, if it matters to you at
all, Yeah for sure. Imean I've done it a few times in

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like the NFL where we've stayed over. We had two East Coast games and
playing on playing on the West coast. We just stayed on the East Coast
and practiced and all this stuff,and it sucked, like Evan, not
a hotel is not that fun?Yeah, like it was. I mean,
and we didn't have homework in school, you know, so like it
sucked even when I didn't have allthat stuffy so having having to have homework,

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can miss it having who knows theymight have exams or mid terms or
whatever it is. You know,right, you don't know what you know.
If you're a freshman who's in wreckclasses and publish one, okay,
maybe it's hit you as much comparedto you're a fourth year, fifth year
deep in your major where you haveto a class is offered, you know,

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one time a week, and youhave to be their type of thing.
It sucks a little bit, Iget it. Okay, Before we
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Yeah, I don't want to knowwhat your first is. But Kenny,
let's go back to use your imagination. Conference realignment. Let's let's talk
for Fresno State, because the peopleare itching, they want to know.
We take already on how the PACtwelve is a bunch of dumb couldn't get

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the job done necessarily unless we goto the PAC twelve. We're happy to
go. But is it a situationwhere would the Mountain West just absorb what's
left of the PAC twelve or wouldthe PAC twelve invite the Mountain West?
You know, I mean, Ithink that's either or it's gonna be the
same thing. Well, this wasmy question that I was trying to get

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at. Fresno State wants to advanceto one of these other conferences to become
a quote unquote power five. Rightwith the Power five becomes a little bit
of a status. We look atCincinnati and a team like Central Florida UCF
that they were. They've been onthe group of five level, They've had
success, they've made a lot ofnoise, they got the promotion to the

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power five. We I think viewourselves us. I think like a boise.
I think like an SMU view ourselves. So, hey, we should
have gotten that same phone call?Why didn't we? And we could go
down that rabbit hole. But there'sthere's there's there's some waves being kind of
made right now to where how dowe go from group of five to power

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five? Do we still want to? I think you definitely still want to,
definitely want to. But if Stanfordand Cal and Oregon State and Washington
State come to the mount West,are they going to go down a group
of five? Or wouldn't it bebetter for us to be like, hey,
let's start ripping the PAC twelve logo, but now we're power or five?
But does it does that make usa power five? Just from going

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from Stanford and Cal and all thosethe four teams go into Mountain West or
we go to the to the tothe PAC twelve, that doesn't mean it's
going to be a power five conference. Put it this way, I think
if you put those four teams inthe Mountain West. Right now, a
current Mountain West team still wins theMountain West championship this year. Agreed,
Yeah, and I do and andthis is no disrespect to some of the

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lower tier Mountain West schools, butmaybe Stanford not recently. Yeah, but
I but as a whole culture wise, absolutely, Yeah. It just makes
me think a little bit in thesense of, if we're going to do
this, does a team, lowertier teams like New Mexico that hasn't had
a lot of success, get himout of here, San Jose, I

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don't like them, get him outof here, Get him out of here,
right I don't know. Again,I'm not talking get him out of
here. And you could say that, but people will say, well,
U and V theirs a great market. I don't think the market should have
anything to do with anything. Andhere's a hot take here. Okay,
let's use an example like Nebraska,Alabama, maybe Auburn, things of that

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nature. I've we've been to Alabama, We've played football in Alabama. If
you take the football team, theAlabama Crimson Tide out of Alabama, it's
not like it's some great market ofindustry that could blossom for oh, this
is a powerhouse college football team thatshould grow here. It took years and

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years and years and repeated success inorder for them to gain that reputation as
a conference and the grand scheme ofthings. There's nothing else to do in
these parts of the country then loveand watch football, which I'm all for.
They've but they've had they've had time, right, they've had time,
They've had time to grow that andwe were still kind of young and having

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success, right, Like, likeI would say the beginning of Pat Hill
would be like the original first timeof success really like on a national stage,
on a national stage, I thinkSweeney definitely created He created the buzz,
right of the culture and the buzz, no doubt, and then coach
Hill came in and capitalized on thatand grew the program into what it is

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now right Tedford. Now Tedford istaking it and and succeeding even more,
right, which which you want ina program. Right, But like that
was that's been thirty years. Alabamahas been doing this for a hundred.
Yeah, you know what I mean. So it's so it's like they've had
a long time to grow that andworst not, we're not even there yet.

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Like there's a reason why they're Alabama. It's because they've had this time
to grow and all that. LikeForrest Gump was playing for Alabama. You
know what I mean. You knowwhat I mean. You know what I
mean. So like you look atthat like in the sixties, like Fresno
State was nothing. People from SanJoezo State are not passionate about San Jose
State football. No, they aretech bros. Everything in between. They're

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not. They're not. They don'tcare about how good the Spartans are this
year. Necessarily, they have otherdistractions and things they'd rather do on a
Saturday night. I think go tothe football it doesn't matter to them.
I think even you throw a SanDiego State in there. Ye, people
in San Diego, they're not itchingto go to San Diego State games.

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Trust me, I know they weren'tinteresting to go to charge of games either.
That's what I'm saying. They weren't. Okay, there you go,
So Fresno. I don't want toget carrassed to Tuska loose Alabama because I
think we're different than them. Butit's one of those situations where it's like
we kind of do have that cultureand room to grow like a Lincoln,

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Nebraska or something like. Yeah,there's definitely room, right, that's but
what makes what makes that growth?Right? I'm winning, winning, That's
all it takes. I don't knowthough, that's all it takes. Bro.
Why is it school like Boise whocoming into my mouth saying this Boise

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is one of the most winning recordsin college of all history. They aren't
even in these conversations for some ofthem. Why why? I think it's
because the market, and that's whatpeople don't like that. People don't like
the Boise market and they don't likethe Fresno market. I hate that though,
and it's just the nature of thebusiness. So, but how are
you about to say with the squarefit like a straight face that you and

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alv in San Diego State are betterinvestments to bring into our conference than Fresno
State in Boise State, because becausethe away teams, it's the population of
the area that has the potential towatch the film that watch the games.
You're saying, let's say san DiegoState, it's Hella good all of a
sudden, now people go to SanDiego to go watch san Diego State.

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It's the TV, it's not theit's not the it's not the bust in
the seas, it's people who watchit on TV. Fresno State was leading
that too though in the mount inthe West. It's I'm telling you it's
crazy. Yeah, I mean,I don't know, but but Fresno,
I think Fresno's pretty capped out oflike the the amount of growth at the
like Fresno's gonna have Like we're notgonna We're not gonna grow to be a

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five million population city, right,No, Yeah, like San Diego is,
like they're right, you know whatI mean. I don't know if
they're five million, that might bea little too high, but like we're
not math guys, Yeah, notmath guys. But their population is gonna
be is gonna dwarf Fresno, Yeah, right, Like and unit same with
UNLV, you know what I mean, Vegas exactly. They're gonna just dwarf
Fresno and Fresno will never get tothat point. And that's what people are

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saying, like Fresno's not gonna getthere. We're gonna sit it. We're
gonna sit at five hundred thousand forthe next thirty years, you know what
I mean? And and San DiegoState and UNLV Vegas and San Diego already
two million, three million plus whateverit is. So it's just that's what
I think they're saying. I don'tthink there's a right answer. I think

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it's a fun debate because there isno right answer. But at the same
time, it's a fun debate.I don't know how many more of these
giant swing of conference realignments there's gonnabe in the next twenty years. Yeah,
you know, it might become athing where right now there's there's there's
oil in the pan and it's cookingand going everywhere, and it's it's it's

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the wild West. I very Imean Arizona State, Arizona. They didn't
think they were going to another conference. All of a sudden, They're like,
hey, can we come, Yeah, boom, let's go. And
I think Big twelve basically said,hey, we know what you're doing,
SEC Big ten. You're trying tostart tapping in in the big dogs.
Well, we're just gonna have themost people. Yeah, that's like you
guys, you guys might have somehigh value players over here. We've got

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some pretty darn good people over here. And if you look at the teams
in the Big twelve right now.They're all pretty, they're pretty feisty.
One or two of them is goingto be a top ten team at yauld.
Yeah, could could shock somebody,knock somebody get hot. Maybe they
have a little bit more pool tobe like, Hey, we're a Big
twelve team. We're not an Americanteam or something like that. I don't

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all right, groomed. Uh anotherlittle hot take here. So did you
watch that Johnny Manziel documentary? Idid. Yeah, let's I don't want
to spoil it too much for thepeople who haven't, but I think there's
there's spoil it. Spoil it.There's two would points I like to brush

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on. First of all, he'sthe man for what he did in college
as a freshman sophomore year, goingin Alabama, doing what he did,
that's a lot, Yeah, nodoubt at his age, baller. But
the ones that I wanted to talkabout is no film to that's crazy crazy.

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I don't understand how you could dothat. I mean, either as
somebody who is a quarterback, especiallyI think if you're you know, a
third string whatever, any position,you're still watching films. I don't know
how you how you don't watch film? I mean one like super selfish,

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right, like super selfish. You'reout there like some of these guys,
like his teammates who he's playing with, are relying on him to like make
them look good as well, rightright, because they're doing everything they can
to make him look well, lookgood. And and if he's not doing
what he needs to do to prepare, especially at the quarterbacks position, right,
I would I would have been somad, like just putting that out

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there, because the only the oldline and the quarterback are one. Right,
Like if I was playing in frontof him and I found out he
didn't watch film, people probably wouldhave fought him. Yeah, I probably
would have. Yeah, yeah,Like you're not taking this series any calls.
I wonder if you got any callsfrom former alignment and stuff like that.
I'm probably not because they're just likeit's it's over, probably new to

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in the in the in the grandscheme of things, Like man, dude,
I couldn't even imagine like Joe Thomasright right, he was his left
tackle, like one of the bestleft tackles ever iron Man, he didn't
didn't miss a practice, didn't missa game. And to have him like
his quarterback in there, it's supposedto be this new franchise quarterback just like

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you're a little punk, yeah right, Like who, like who gives you
the right to act like that?And in in this like in this setting,
right, like whatever, do ityour college whatever, But this is
like taking this grow mans, Thisis this is how my kids are gonna
eat. And now my my kidskids are gonna eat, you know,
like this is how I got tolike provide for my family. And a

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lot of people make the money thatJohnny did, right like in the in
the beginning, like like when Iwas when I was playing, I wasn't
making Johnny Monzel money, like youknow, first round draft pick. Very
few people his age in any occupation, and we're making that exactly. So
it's like to take it. Totake that for granted, it's just like
unbelievable and to have like all thoseto let all those people down and and

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to have to have that like stigmaand just be like I don't care.
I watched zero film like that waslike all right, did this goes?
Just does it. Yeah, it'sit wasn't like he was proud of it,
you know what I mean, Likethat's what it was like, Yeah,
it kind of being a guy.I was at the point in my
college in my high school career wherewatching Johnny Monzel play football encouraged me.

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He was he was the definition ofelectric to where like encouraged me to want
to play college fool because I waslike, that is that guy's living the
life? Yeah, you know,and like ill, I would love to
have Johnny Manzel on the pot andchop it up about mindset and talking about
he doesn't have to dive into allhe did on the documentary necessarily, but
he went through some demons. Hewould do some struggles, and I think

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he is trying to find his wayout of it. The dude is he
young, Like it's not like he'sa fifty two year old man. Okay,
he's he's young. Kind of getssome done pretty much what happened.
Yeah, but like and people woulddie to get his position, no doubt,
no doubt any bit away at theend of the day. And I'm
not saying it's easy to be aquarterback in the National FOPO League at all.
But you want to be a Idon't want to see he's gonna be

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a good role model. It's justyou can't do that. No, you
can't do that. You can't especiallylike especially if you have teammates and stuff
depending on you to do your best, to do your best, you know
what I mean. And there's alsowe've talked about it before, like there
is a stigma of you know,the politics, the political side of the

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Browns, like, hey, weinvested millions of dollars in you. Maybe
they knew about it. They can'tjust bench their first no, first round
quarterback. We've paid millions of dollarstoo, because he's being the you know,
not a good teammate, not goodfor our program necessarily. You can't
just do that. That's a badinvestment. He's bad on all parties at
that point. And it's not likethe Browns were you know, the Bee's

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knees at the time. It's abig cycle going through there at one point.
But also on the flip side,what in life that dude was living,
bro, what about the dude wasliving. It might have been not
have been good, but he hadsome stories to tell for song and he
was like nineteen years old. Bro, could you imagine what about the fake

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oil money? Nobody googled or didany research. I don't think I think
so. His grandpa allegedly was inon it. Yeah, but what do
I get what a thing? Man? Mile thing is? Okay? Okay?
How does he still have his highsman? And Reggie does it? Oh?
You know what I mean? Soshould this? Would you rather this

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be take Johnny's heisman away or giveReggie as give Reggie's him back? Because
nothing that that money didn't help,especially it's it's it's crazy. Yeah,
that money didn't help him with theheisman. He still went out there and
he was still bald, right,Like, yeah, I did break the
rules one hundred percent. But likethere's been guys that have openly admitted to

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this. Yeah, that's one ofthe cool things about podcasts. I was
like, dude, I used toget a brown paper bag. Yep,
I'm looking at it when I gothome that it'd being mat locker man.
I never I was saying friends ofstate didn't get especially what about speaking of
more kind of living athletes out there, how about our boy Phil Nicholson golfer.

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Yeah, a little bit of agambler just just likes a good wager.
Yeah, what I saw. Isaw two statistics that I'll bring up
overall money bets this isn't lost,or one just overall money that was put
on the line at one point onebillion dollars. Yeah. Yeah, that's

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a lot of money. It's alot. That's a lot of wager.
Allegedly he's down one hundred mill Okay, Okay, yeah, I can see
that. I uh, well,over how long though, you know what,
let's just say let's do some quickmath here. Let's just say over
what twenty years? Yeah, twentyyears, that's only it's only half a

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million year. That's five million ayear. Oh, one hundred million.
Okay, yeah, you're right,another zero five million a year. That's
a lot. But let's look atit this though. I saw this stat
okay, where it was so duringhis like gambling like think he was making
he was making wagers of like onehundred and ten thousand dollars a week right

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on like football games stuff like that. At that time he was making sixty
million a year. So his unitsthen, let's just say so he was
only so so equivalent. It wasequivalent to a guy who was making one
hundred fifty, one hundred and fiftythousand dollars a year job betting one hundred
and fifty dollars a week, that'sthe equivalence less than that. But yeah,

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I know, like so, likeso, like if you put in
that perspective, like you'll go outand make a hundred, one hundred dollars
bet on something, yeah, youknow what I mean, that's the same
thing as a filmmaking one hundred thousanddollars bet. Well, I just think
if I make a thousand dollars aweek paycheck right now, this is just
basic math and im and I'm gamblingone hundred dollars a week. That doesn't
sound that crazy in the terms ofany gambler my age. Exactly. Everyone

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has their unit, no doubt,everyone has their unit, and you don't
ask. And that's one thing Ithink that I've learned in the sports betting
industry. That's kind of fun becauseyou might be a bazillionaire and I make
one hundred dollars a week, andwe could be sweating the same bet or
the same game or the same wagerjust as hard. Obviously, yours might
be more money, but maybe it'sratioed out, Hey, this is going

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to affect my life at a certainrate. It's gonna set affect your rate
at a certain rate. Obviously thebigger numbers are a little more scary.
But yeah, but everybody's looking for, like the gamblers are looking for that
number, right, the number thatscares them and the number that's going to
make them be like, oh yeah, I just want This is kind of
okay. So we talk about NFLplayers that constantly. A couple of NFL

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players got in trouble recently for bettingon their own games, Lions and Phil.
There's some more bullet points of thiscase where he bet on a couple
golf matches Ryder Cups. I heardhe from the Ryder Cup. He called
in from a phone on the golfcourse to put like a couple hundred g's
on the US to win. Andbut like that didn't get surfaced, like

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Calvin Ridley putting on you know what, a couple couple hundred bucks for his
own team to win. Yeah,Kenny, you're a businessman. Before we
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But you know, I know,last time one of the pod you
have Alpha litt how'd you like how'dyou like those letters? And love it?
You guys saw that Bring the Jewsboxing match, the Giant ring the
Juice letters. Kenny did all that, great friend, great man for that.

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Appreciate you. It looked awesome.Though we need we need some pictures.
Yeah, we got We'll get somepictures. We got Jay, we
got some pictures. You got Mayweatherboxing and fitness. I read the hat,
but the concept of basically it's atime to work out. It's phenomenal

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boxing. By the way, ifyou haven't done yet, great workout.
Yeah I saw you when your littleworkout with Jose you are dead. I
was good, bro, I couldhave gone twelve more miles. I want
to know, though, you know, in all your business ventures and in
your time in the NFL, atwhat point, And I know it's different

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if you have Johnny Manzil money versuslike I'm grinding off and on practice squads,
grinding off around teams, but bouncingaround, you're you're kind of flexibility
your piggy ban basically to make investments. But at what point do you say
in your NFL career, hey,this is where I'm at. I want
to start looking into business ventures.Was there a specific day or time period

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where you thought you were ready.It's probably in twenty fourteen when I was
cut and I was home the entireyear, I was like all right,
kind of like sat back and thoughtabout what's what's next? You know,
because this could be it and justcould just could have this could I could
not play football again? Right,So kind of started thinking there. That

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was when I first bought my myfirst rental property, So dove dove into
that without knowing anything, just boughtone before I even bought a house for
myself. Hey, I'm going tobe an investor. Yeah, just gonna
invest in rental properties and do allmy kind of stuff like that. And
then still have that to to thisday. It's been killing it. And

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then yeah, and then kind ofpicked back up in the NFL because so
I put all that stuff on holeold and then kind of when when the
writing is on the wall, youkind of know, right, like I'm
getting a little older bodies not recoveringas fast as it used to. I'm

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still mentally sharp, like out thereand competing with everybody mentally, but the
physical side of it is is alittle bit different, right because all these
young twenty year old kids coming ina bunch of punks. Right. But
yeah, so I kind of knew, like the writing on the wall,
like my like after year nine,I was like okay, like and that's

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the year I tore my biceps.I'm like, all right, I gotta,
I gotta, I gotta, Igotta figure this out. What's what's
next. That's kind of when Idove into Mayweather a little bit more.
I saw it one day and Iwas just like, let's just get into
it. One of my old teammateswas was basically the starter of Alphalit.
Wow. Yeah, so he likehis wife started the entire thing. There's

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like one hundred and fifty locations throughoutthe country. She franchised them all herself.
Like, so there's a bunch ofNFL guys and own outlets all over
the country. Yeah, so everyoneloves to it. It's crazy. It's
it's such a good Uh, it'ssuch a good it's good. It's a
good gig. Yeah. It's agood investment, very low overhead and and

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uh high return. Let's say thaton the revest on the investment. Yeah.
But yeah, just like that thetime where it was like, okay,
like I'm not getting any younger,It's time for me to like find
something new, find something that Ican like dive into and kind of find
a new passion for. That's that'sstill ongoing. So I'm just still trying

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to figure out what's like the bestpossible fit for me, which is which
is a hard kind of piece todive into because for so long, I
mean for the last twenty years ofmy life, I was playing football,
and that's all I knew. Likemy my years surrounded football, right,
wasn't like winter, summer, spring, and fall. It was training camp,

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season, off season, OTAs youknow. I mean, like those
are my four seasons. That's myyear, you know. So it's and
the same thing with college college footballtoo, right, So it's springall.
Yeah, So now it's I haveNow, I have all year to do
everything I want to do, right, So it's now it's finding the right
mixture of taking a little break andhaving fun and staying in my businesses and

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doing all this kind of stuff,which which is weird. I've never had
it before. I've always had aschedule. I've always had to follow like
a routine, right, So that'ssomeone else, Yeah, someone else makes
the schedule in it. And ifI can't fit what I want to do
in that month, I half offin July, don't do it. Don't
do it. I can't do itanybody any of my friends getting married in
August through January. Sorry, Bud, can't go, like you know,

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you know that, right, Yeah, So like that's that's a lot of
people playing their way. But mybrothers or my my buddy's sister playing the
wedding a bye week so I couldgo, you know. So I was
like, yeah, it's crazy.So I mean, it's it's weird having
all the time now to look forwardand move throughout the whole entire year,

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right, So it's it's weird.I didn't play in the NFL, but
we talked about that structure in thatschedule. I think one of the biggest
things for student athletes is, likeyou said, uh, you're so used
to even from a young age ofbeing a competitor. Maybe it wasn't even
just football sports. You're used to. You go to school, you go
to practice, maybe you extra work, You come home at some point,

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you eat hopefully, and you goto sleep eventually, right then you do
it again the next day. Asyou progress, you keep going. If
you play at that college level,it really is I have class and I
have practice. There's no there's notime. Maybe you get like one day
off for fourth of July. Ifyou go to a bowl game, you
got some time after that bowl gameuntil what July tenth. But mentally you're

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thinking at the same time. Idon't know how you were as a freshman,
it was like, oh, I'mgonna take these two weeks off.
I don't need it. There isa piece of me as the older I
got. I was like, youknow what, man, I took those
two weeks off. I lost.I feel like I lost a step on
my muscle, no doubt. Ifeel like I'm not as conditioned now.

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Maybe I could take it easy alittle bit, but you still gotta do
something. Gotta move, go fora walk, stretch, Maybe just go,
hey, I'm gonna go run thishill ten times today and that's gonna
be me. That's all I'm gonnado. You could you could take a
load off and all that ghosts Irecommend. I mean, I was like,
I gotta get out of it.I gotta get town for a couple
of minute, a couple of daysat least, But it really never ends.

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And when you're on that consistent schedule, your seasons, like you said,
are different. When that's taken awayfrom you, you're kind of like
this in this free fall of whatam I supposed to do again? One
of the things we're talking about andbring the juice. Some guys go off
the deep end because of it.They don't have any structures. They're like,

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I don't need to set alarm anymore. Bet I'm not. I'm gonna
sleep in until ten. I don'tgot to go to bed early because I
gotta wake up at five. Allright, I'm gonna stay until two and
play video games. I'm gonna eatwhatever I want whenever I want. Well,
that's cool when you're running and burningten thousand calories and I know that's
totally off. Eat whatever you wantand probably drink whatever you want and it's

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gonna hurt and help you in margins. But you're not gonna eat whatever you
want and gain thirty pounds. Yea. Now it's like, hey man,
you kind of gotta take a littlebit of care of yourself. You better
stretch a little bit in our inour old age. You know, you
start you stop lifting, close somemuscle pretty fast. I'm feeling it,

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bro me too, And guess what, You're not as motivated to put it.
I want to get back in thatin that shape for what. That's
the thing. Like I talked aboutthis all the time, Like people are
like, oh, you're like,do you still like lift like you were
playing? I'm like, no,I haven't put two twenty five. I've
put over two twenty five on myback since two years from ago, you

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know I mean, like I haven'tor two twenty five. I'm not.
I'm never going to ever again likeI have. I have nothing to prove
to anybody any more, you knowwhat I mean? Like that's I don't
need to go and under the underthe squat bar and squat five hundred pounds
like I did two years ago.Like there's no way, There's no way,
it's not worth it. Your chancesof injury is higher. And guess

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what when you get hurt. Theolder you are, like this one,
you don't have the resources. Arejust going into a training room every day
and getting whatever you need. Youjust sit down on a table and they
you'll get cupped, scraped, gameready, moon booted, ice, tubbed,
contrast, needles, stam, youname it. It doesn't matter.

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They got the best of the bestright there in one spot. And you
could be on your freaking You couldbe on your phone. Will they take
care of your leg? You couldbe watching a game. They take care
of your arm whatever the hell itis, it's right at your disposal,
and it's free for you at thatpoint as well. Now you you you've
heard something I don't. I mean, there's not that many places to call.

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It's gonna cost you some money,and you're an old guy living in
society, limping around, old guy. So I'm saying though, but yeah,
and it's like it's not worth it, Like I don't want to go
through that. It's yeah. Solike that's that was one advice that I've
I've gotten from some people that thathave retired, and they're like, just

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don't stop moving. Just keep going, Like it doesn't have to be much,
doesn't have to be like what youwere doing, but just like do
something like at least like golf orsomething. Yeah, Like I've been playing
a lot of basketball like which hasbeen which has been great, and I
like, I love it. Itfeels good to compete against like some like
good guys that I've been playing againstand and kind of gives me back that

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like juice that that I've been missinga little bit without having to be super
physical, because that was like allI've had to do in the past,
right, I've all all I wasable to do is just be physical and
beat people up and beat myself up. But now it's like, Okay,
I can play basketball and don't haveto like put my head against somebody else's
head and for one hundred times aday, you know what I mean.

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It's a different game. And like, I don't know if you miss it,
like at times I do. Ido, Yeah, I do,
I miss it for sure. It'sit's there's there's no feeling like getting ready
for a game, right like theyI've watched people's like instagrams like today they're
getting ready for like preseason games.Like it's it's fun to like relive those

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like memories in your head. Andit's crazy that like you'll never do that
again. It's hard to reciprocate that. They'll build up the energy literally that
juice like that just you can neverrecreate it with anything else. I don't
know how you can. I wouldsay the two things like I said,

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I miss is that that game daybuild up and then the boys the locker.
Yeah, but the like and likethat includes I got two brothers right
now going through fall camp. Oneof them it's their fourth, the other
ones is first. Right, sothere's two sides of the spectrums. Fall
camp's not as hard as it usedto be. There's no double days and
stuff like that. Really, NCAgot a little soft on us. But

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I told them, and I toldmy youngest brother, was like, you
have no idea how fast it goesby? Yeah, because you start off
as a freshman and then you're juston this this this this Ferris wheel,
carouse carousel of you start off asa freshman. Yeah, you go through
your season and but then guess what, Like we just talked about your seasons.

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You with your first winter ball,you go with your first spring game.
Spring ball and spring game, yougot a couple of weeks to lift.
Then you come back for summer aweek later, and you go through
summer workouts and the runs and thestadiums and the lifts, the competitions.
Then you got fall camp again.Then it's this season. Before you know
it, you're not thinking, oh, I went from a freshman or a
sophomore before you're like senior nights thisyear. Yep, And it's crazy how

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fast it goes by, and itjust does. Yep. You're just in
this realm. So when it's takenfrom you, it's tough. And when
you're in it, it's that oldsaying of you know, you wish you
knew you were in the good timeswhile they were while you were in it,
for sure, And like luckily Iwas able to play so for so
long. Right, Like a lotof like my college teammates are even like

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my high school friends like didn't getthe opportunity to play college ball, or
college teammates didn't get the opportunity toplay the NFL, right, you know,
so it's like they only I hada twenty year window to like to
make all these memories and meet allthese people, do all these things where
some of these guys had three years, four years of high school and then
whatever eight years of college and highschool, you know, and nobody else

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played after that. Like it's,yeah, it's a lot of football,
and like like I'm so glad Ihad the opportunity to do it, and
like it's it was so much fun, and like I wouldn't change it for
the world. I wish I couldhave been teammates with you in Danny woodhead
Man, Oh yeah, Danny's myguy. I'm trying to get on that

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Christmas card list this year. It'spretty funny long story, sport, support
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