Washington Commanders Jeremy Reaves & Percy Butler

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, all right, all right, welcome back to Bring
the Jewish. We are still He's coast right now. I'm
co hosted by my guy Mike. Mike all through our
guests to day, give the intro that you like to give.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yeah, we got a special guest.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
We got Pro Bowl all Pro Rebo in the building
ahead say it was up to people.

Speaker 4 (00:19):
Man, let's go with y'all. Man, appreciate you having me
on my way. Appreciate you so very much.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Love.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Was that a Lulu Lemon set right there?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Bro? Got it?

Speaker 5 (00:26):
I'm a big little lose.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm sewer.

Speaker 6 (00:28):
I was in debate to rock mind today or not,
but I had my UG sweatpants on earlier this.

Speaker 5 (00:33):
Morning, highly record sweatpants.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Sweatpants.

Speaker 5 (00:37):
I mean, I rock with the eggs shoes, but.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I didn't bring mine, but I rocked those regularly after work.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Are kidding me? Oh? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (00:43):
These is every day.

Speaker 6 (00:43):
It's actually my number thing on my Christmas list this
year is a fresh pair of UG slippers.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Now, I saw McGee had rocked this new Lululemon sweatsuit
and I was like, yeah, I'm gonna buy that different color, bro.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
Crazy Lu Louise, you gotta do the twenty we get
the twenty five percent discount bro as a player.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, the sweat what are the sweat something? But whatever,
it's some So I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:01):
All I know is I go in there and I
get that take that twenty five off.

Speaker 6 (01:05):
When I was living in Utah, they have like because
every Lulu store is different, which also Lululemon.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Plug the pod, Bro, we could use some Lulu bring
the juice.

Speaker 5 (01:14):
Bergs fact, I will happily think the deal.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Every every Lulu store is different.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
So like in Fresno it's hot, we don't have very
much no snow gear. When I was living in Utah,
they have some bad like winter coats. Really they're five
hundred dollars.

Speaker 5 (01:30):
But yeah, they're probably up there easily easily.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Actually, my newest thing, like I switched over to Lululemon underwear, Bro.

Speaker 5 (01:38):
Best thing you could add everything I have on right
now is Lulu.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:42):
And I actually also just made the transition from like, uh,
I don't wear long socks anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
I'm on the short sock game. That's a big thing
for me. Yeah, it's a new thing for me.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
Like quarter socks.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, yeah, like quarters, I.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Do, Like I have the I have the Lulu like
I got I got the pack, got the pack.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
Yeah, you got house shows.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
You know, well the same way I feel like.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
I like it.

Speaker 6 (02:02):
Let's start off, Mike, before we get into the Pro
Bowl and this win last night and all that.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
You went to South Alabama? How'd you end up there?

Speaker 4 (02:10):
So funny my senior year, I was like really highly
recruited and I got hurt. I actually fractured my l
five in my lotwer back. Oh yeah, so like obviously, yeah, bro,
it's like senior year. I'm like seventeen years old, bro,
and I'm like, yeah, the world is indy, the.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
World is over.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
So like obviously I was out for a substantial amount
of time. You know how the game goes lose a
lot of recruitment guys like your liability. But South was
actually my first offer, and then they stuck with me
through the whole process of me getting hurt. Coach Jones
at the time shot to coach Joey Jones, that's my dog.
He was like, hey, look, you got scholarship here regardless,

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and I was like bet so when I came back,
I was able to come back. I think like after
like eight or nine weeks when we got to the playoffs, Wow,
and recruitment started picking back up again and started getting
some Power five offers again, and.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
I was like, no, I'm thinking with South all so
I ended up That's how I ended up there.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
I mean just talking like that, it's just the switchip guys.
I mean, Rebo, you're you're an older guy. You know,
we didn't have the transfer portals.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Talking like you're eighty five years old right now.

Speaker 5 (03:25):
Years bro, like that.

Speaker 6 (03:27):
Bro, And last night we were interviewing guys for our
rookies and we were we talked about nil and transfer
portal for a long period of time.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
So yeah, well it's just it's crazy though because like
our world when we were in college, like you didn't
have that.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
It's different.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
There wasn't like oh like I'm going to hit the
transfer portal because things aren't looking good or it was
more off of relationships and loyal to Like you said,
you had big, bigger offers. But this coach that you
still probably contacted this day, like he stuck with you
when you chose to go there.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Yeah, yeah, that was like a big thing to me, man,
because like at that point, like you going into it,
that's a life decision, right, Like you're going somewhere where,
like it can alter your life in a good or
bad way, and so like the biggest thing you have
to have is trust and loyalty in that situation, right,
Like they could have went any direction, right, but he
stuck by me. He kept the offer on the table

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for me, and like I committed, and I was like,
I'm with you, Like when I say I'm committed, like
I'm there like no matter what. So yeah, man's it's
like a big thing. That's like the biggest difference.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Now.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Like as I'm in the league and I'm older, you
get these young cats coming in and they talking about
like all this nil stuff and money, and I'm like, bro,
like I barely had enough money to go eat after
paying rent.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (04:37):
It was into the minds.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
It's top and it was crazy.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
I used to we had this spot mobile called Fu
Sacles and it was like a chicken fingerspot.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
It's like basically like a raising kines but it's like
mobile's version of it.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
And they had a ten dollars box. It had like
stupid amount of fries, stupid amount of chicken.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
Tender was getting your value out of that every day.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Yeah the why no, I can't eat it anymore because
I ate it so much. But bro, it was like
that sustained me because like that Tim Bucks went a
long way.

Speaker 6 (05:07):
Yeah, we had a Popeyes by our stadium that was
that was a Tuesday Thursday or deal a little little
number four.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
You gotta get it four large lemonade.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Can I get the honey?

Speaker 5 (05:18):
You gotta get it? How you live?

Speaker 4 (05:19):
Man, it's different though, man, Like it's totally different.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
So when you committed, because they stuck with you.

Speaker 6 (05:27):
You and I'm just thinking, like one big debate used
to be it's bs how coaches can just jump ship
for another job opportunity.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
And I don't know if you went through a coaching
staff change, but like we had.

Speaker 6 (05:38):
This right because you're in the locker one day and
you really don't like as a team, you're there trending
up or down constantly.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Right, So if you're a program that is down, coach
market fire.

Speaker 6 (05:49):
But if you're a team that's having success, and especially
at a place like South Alabama, Fresno State, like, but
it's almost a huge opportunity to prove it as a coach.
But if you're winning, someone's gonna come snatch you from
a higher up conference.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
So was it the coach?

Speaker 6 (06:07):
Would you follow the coach if he would have went
somewhere else because of the lud to him, or you
think just the program in general.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
I think it was more sort of program, Like I
was attached to the coach for sure. I don't like
hindsight looking back, I don't know what I would have done,
but I think it was more so to the program. Uh, dude,
I had like I had a different I had three
D season four years, so like I had a different

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coach pretty much year I had the same head coach,
but I had three D season four years, right, So
like the the dynamic of coaching changes happened. Bro, I've
had here in Washington. I've been through an owner change.
I've been through three head coaches, and I've been through
multiple dcs. So it's like it's not really the people,
it's the place. It's like where you at, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
We'll take us through your years there. How was it
like I was the team? How was like living? Like
I mean a lot of people don't know, Like we
said we're West Coast guys.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
We heard of it.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
But yeah, yeah, because you guys, you guys played. You
guys played like Boise before, right, or San Diego State.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
So we played San Diego State, so.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
I know there was when we watched film on South Alabama.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
Yeah, so we played SDSU when they obviously had Humphreys
and he was a Hosman runner and play, and then
we had when they have shopping. We played them twice.
You put them out at San Diego and then we
put him at home.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
San Diego came there.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
Yeah, that's when that the year they came to us.
It was my junior year. They were actually ranked they
were nineteen.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
No, they had some good years.

Speaker 5 (07:40):
We beat the hell out of them today.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
That's okay, that's what I remember. Oh no, I remember that.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
I've never lost the SDSU.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (07:46):
I asked that because I remember a year where they
were hyped and we I think we played them the
next week and we wanted to beat them ranked and
they dropped the Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
I didn't know about South Alabama at the time.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
I was like, most people don't they lost to a
team like I have, no like we I was like,
I mean, my pretty much my college career, every year
it was like fighting to get six wins, right, Like
we really okay, bro, But it was crazy because like the.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
Big games, like we would just go beat people.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
I remember like my junior my junior year, the same
year we beat San Diego State. We open up the
year at Mississippi State and beat them at State, beat
them at State game one, and.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
I was like, oh yeah, we were about to be rolling.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Then we get to the next week, gains Georgia Southern.
They get absolutely waxed at home. So it was just
a lot of up and down, bro. But like I mean,
like it's crazy to sound like it prepared me for
like my professional career. I got to learn how to
handle the ebbs and flows of football, Like it's not
always gonna be here, it's always gonna be here.

Speaker 6 (08:47):
Dudes, some do And that's like one thing that some
guys can't handle men yea, or from both sides.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Right, Like guys who come from a program and all
they do is win.

Speaker 6 (08:56):
They take a few l's in the road, they're like
world ending adversity struck all the their comfort programs. Who
will even interview dudes who never went to a bowl game,
And I'm like that's depressing as.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
We undred two four years and I lost both of them.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
You got no rings out of that?

Speaker 5 (09:14):
I got no rings.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
So I got it.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
We got one. They man, they gave me one out
through that.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
I don't even know that. It was to the Chamellion Bowl.
Was the first year of the Bowl. So they gave
a ring as like inaugurl.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
And loss, you got a ring if you lost.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
He lost played Bowling Green that year and then next
year we played in the Arizona Bowl.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Okay and we played Uh. I was like, yeah, you
know how that went. Oh.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
One thing about football just is the football journey offically,
you knew better than anybody You're always going to see adversity.
You know, adversity is always going to strike at some point.
I mean you just told us that you back to
your back and yeah, me being on the same team
with you, I've seen you coming back from your knee
injury that you had. Like, just talk us through the
diversity and how you got through that, Like who you
leaned on and what got you to this point? I mean,
what got you being pro Bowl rebold?

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (09:59):
Bro, I went through some life moments, bro, Like uh,
we had obviously the high school part, right, I could
get through college. I have a great year, bro. I
ended up my senior year, I was player of the
year something. I was the first one in program history.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Uh. Let him know. And then.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
You know what I'm saying, three time will commerce player,
I'll drink to that DRIs that.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
But then I go undrafted. I went undrafted.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Uh, And so like you got to learn how to
get it again, right, So like you at the bottom
of the total pool against like coming into the school
as the freshman really as you will walk on for real.
And I had never really experienced that. So now I'm
trying to figure out how to make it at that level.
And I'll just grinded out the first four years of
my career, I'm essentially a private squad guy, right, Like
I'm going up and down on the roster, up and

(10:45):
down on the roster. I got cut in first. In
the first four years, I probably got cut at least
six times.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
And then my fifth year was my first full year
active and uh, that year before my mom passed. I
lost my mom that year. I appreciate it. I lost
my mom that year, and it was just a multitude
of things, right, And it was just like that fifth year.
I'm fully active. First time I played all seventeen. You

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go to Pro Bowl and then I go off Pro.
So it was just like I think adversity and things
like that, it builds character and people. Bro.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
Like, the more you go through is the more you
grow through kind of thing is how I live.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
We uh, I mean.

Speaker 6 (11:28):
That's a lot there. Dive a little bit more into like,
you know, the concept of going up and down, of
getting kind because obviously your whole career, especially like when
you talk, when I talk, we interview these high level dudes.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
It's always people only see.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
The highest right Yeah, yeah, for sure, Yeah, but they.

Speaker 6 (11:47):
Don't understand like the concept of getting cut realistically is
getting fired from your job, right and having a lot
to getting business to the game.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Sometimes it's a numbers thing where left tackle might go down, right.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
It's you, you explinable.

Speaker 6 (12:01):
So in the midst of like going through the cuts,
tell me your first like welcome to the league business
moment of that.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
I mean it was probably the first time I got
cut right like you. So like when I went undrafted, Uh,
you basically go through a draft all over again, right, So,
like I had every other team calling like they want
to sign They're like, hey, we like you, we want you.
We want to give you a max deal, max signing bonus.
And I'm like, you're hearing all these numbers and you're

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hearing money, and I'm like, all right, so let's see
how this plays out there. So I ended up signing
with Philly fresh off the Super Bowl. You know, they
had a lot of momentum, and they had a lot
of vet guys that I knew I could learn from.
Malcolm Jenkins. You know, they had Rodney McCleod there, they
had Green Goblin Ggs, they had I mean, they had

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they had a bunch of dudes there, right, And it
was like a lot of dudes that, like I knew
as a rookie that I needed to get under and
learn from. So I go there and like, I have
a great training camp, right and then I get cut.
So I'm like and it was like the crazy part
was like I had made it. I was the last
dude to get cut before like the last cut of
the waiver wire for the league. They had got somebody

(13:17):
that got cut earlier that they liked, and they got
him from a team and they called me last second
after I'm thinking I have made a team.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
They were like, hey, by the way, you got cut Pad.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
So I was like, Okay, this is how this works.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
You could sometimes it's not being it's not about being
the better player. Sometimes sometimes it's just about being in
the right situation.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
And that bro Like the part about it is like
I'm like, the position I was in for the longest
time is like seventy five percent of the NFL.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
That's the part that people don't know though.

Speaker 6 (13:52):
Right.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
They see the guys that make the big bucks and
they got all this guarantee money and they're the faces
of the league and they're all on posters, in video
and all that, but like the.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
Majority of the league is like me. They go through
all of that stuff and people don't understand that.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
So, like it was kind of a moment for everybody
with the Pro Bowl thing when they made it like public,
because I think it resonated with just a lot of
dudes in the league period that went through that too.

Speaker 6 (14:18):
So like, I mean, you're speaking like into existence, because
it's true. Nobody knows Like I'd say the average NFL
fan or hyped up NFL fan, they know three guys
from the team, right, no one knows who the quarterback is. Yeah,
they have one good skill player, some sort have a
vet on defense, right, or they've had a kicker for

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eight years, or people don't realize like all the other
that's going on. And I appreciate having the opportunities to
be able to tell people or give it the platform
like people could.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Actually say, like this is how it really means.

Speaker 6 (14:50):
Yeah, because if you go on an airplane and nobody
knows you're let's say you're not You're not Patrick Mahomes, right,
patri Mackholmes is next to you on airplane.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
All right, he's got chiefs here on you know who?

Speaker 5 (14:59):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
When you got the the and after all the activation
and all that, Hey we're calling you in. You're a
pro bowler. What was that emotional?

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Bro?

Speaker 4 (15:11):
I ain't gonnallow When they brought me in, I thought
I was getting cut. Really, that's how many times I
had been cut. I was like programmed to like when
I hear a coach say hey my office, I'm like, damn,
am I about to get cut? Mind you, it's like
week fourteen. So I'm like, bro, I'm hooping right now.
I'm like number one in the league in special teams

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tackles like the way y'all about to cut me. So
I'm like going through every scenario in my head of
like what this conversation could be about. Because I was
like on the Captain's committee too, so I'm like, maybe
he's talking about practice or something. I didn't know what
he was talking about. So when I walked in, He's
got this like disappointed look on his face. So I'm like,

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I'm getting cut.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Oh yeah, Bro, it was like.

Speaker 5 (15:56):
He sold that side of coach read.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
He sold the hell out there because I'm thinking, like
he got his head down and he's like like cyging,
I'm like about to release me.

Speaker 5 (16:05):
Bro, right now, I'm having the best year ever?

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Right now?

Speaker 5 (16:10):
Are you gonna release me?

Speaker 4 (16:12):
And he was like congratulations, And I'm like for what,
because bro, it's crazy, Like I didn't I wasn't really
thinking about.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
The Pro Bowl.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
I just wanted to be all pro. Yeah, and I do, like,
you know, the Pro Bowl can be political and all
that stuff.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
He's right, yea, right, I just wanted to be all pro,
like because once you get that, you stay like steps stamps,
you know what I'm saying. So like he's like congrats,
I'm like for what, like, just we still got games.
I know you ain't telling you nothing about it all
pro right now? And he was like in Pro Bowl
Starter special Teams like, and I'm just like at first,

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I'm just like sitting there. I'm like in disbelief, Like
what because I never I wasn't ever. I didn't envision
that that year. Now it's crazy though, because in twenty nineteen,
the year after my art, like right after my first year,
I did an interview back at home and they were like,
what are your goals? And I was like, I made
it to the NFL. The next goal is to go

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to the Pro Bowl. I haven't done it yet, but
I'm going to do it. So you heard it here
first and then I kind of just like got away
from that and then you fast forward to twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Here we are on the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
That's something I want to talk about real quick, just
touch on. Like as a kid, you know I want
to go to the NFL.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
I want to do this. I want to do that.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
So your high school, you know, you do Pop Warner football.
Maybe I mean we didn't have middle school. Maybe do
middle school, then you go to high school. Okay, I'm
going to college. Right to college, you finally make your dreams,
come to the NFL. What's next, Well, you know, make
the Pro Bowl?

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Right? What keeps you going? You've reached the top of
the time?

Speaker 3 (17:48):
I mean obviously you know Hall of Fame, right, like
you know, like right, like being a Pro Bowl and
All Pro player, Like there's not much more.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
You could do? Right, what right keeps you going to?

Speaker 3 (18:00):
You know what I'm saying every day because you've reached
what everyone.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
In the world is trying to reap, right, honestly, bro,
Like it's crazy. It's just about to sound like my
knee was probably the best thing that happened to me
last year. As crazy as that sound, bro, I know
I say that all the time. People like what you mean, Bro,
nobody wants to tear the A C L. But like
it brought me back down to the bottom of the mountain.

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Like my entire life I have been having to climb
the mountain, and I knew what that felt like. I
had never been there, so I was uncomfortable there.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
I was like, the hell is this?

Speaker 5 (18:34):
Like this is weird? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (18:36):
So like.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
For real, though, like I had, I had never been
at the top of the mountain. I have always in
my entire life, I have been trying to climb to
the top right, like your vision is like at the
top and you see it like you like I'm calling,
I'm scratching at it. Then when you get there, it's
like like, damn, I ain't came out this way. Where
else do I go?

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Right?

Speaker 4 (19:01):
And then you tear your a cl boom and now
you fall back down to the bottom, right, and it's
on a contract year, tore on my contract year like,
and I'm like, I really gotta get it, and now
I got to figure out how to do it again
in a different way. So like it brought me back
to that that grime mode that like realistically I needed
because I had never been at that peak point where

(19:23):
I was like I've arrived and I've never wanted that
feeling where like I've arrived. But then, like talking with Slave,
I got a chance to rap with Slater this preseason
and he was like when he came up to me,
it was a dope moment because bro Slater is like
the epitome of special Teams play Hall of Famer gold jacket.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
When he walked up to me and was like, Bro,
you are the standard now.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
I was like, that's nice.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
I was like, my now goal is to be better
than he was and to do more than he did.
So like that's something that like I'm going to always
have to go out and get every day because the
dude did it for so long. Bro, Like he's been
All Pro and Pro Bowl so many times. I don't
even think you can count it on like two hands.

(20:09):
So like that's now my new level of like where
I'm trying to get to. I want to be the
best at what I'm doing, and to be the best,
you got to you got to beat out the dudes
that have done it for the longest time.

Speaker 6 (20:20):
It's it's so difficult. And then we're talking football, like
anything you do in life, it's so hard to not
get complacent. And I think, I know we talked about
Alabama football a lot last night, but like that's something
that Nick Saban did a really good job of keeping
that standard highlight. The dude was pissed off after a
National championship game wins. It like we didn't play well

(20:42):
enough in the second half. Certain people have I think
obviously a guy like Tom Brady, he's excited that he
won the Super Bowl, but like he's hungry for the
next one. In being able to not let your head
get too big or lose that edge and coming from
you know, a South Alabama and you're back in high
school and all these things like I know what you mean,

(21:03):
hungry dog always runs faster.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Facts facts fact.

Speaker 6 (21:06):
So kind of having that fire re lit under your
to say, Okay, I'm back at the drawing board.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
How am I going to chase greatness on this whole thing?

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Like it sucks.

Speaker 6 (21:17):
It took an ACL to get there, but I understand
how it could be a blessing in disguise. But now
that you experience that and you're the mature player that
you are, it's it's almost a personal challenge on top
of your goals to be like I need to stay
as if I'm bottom of their total pulling much easier
said than done.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
Yeah, no, facts, Like I think the cool part about
what I've what I've started to do in my my journey, bro,
Like in the off season, like I go home, like
and like when I'm training, I'm at home like where
I'm from, Like I trained my high school. Still, Like
a lot of guys go like to like these xos
and Audies. But I go to my high school where

(21:55):
it started at for me, you know what I'm saying, Like,
and it still looks the same exact way that it
did when I was there. So like I get back
to like the roots of me.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Right.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
So, Like when I go home and I get away
from this part of life, like and I get back
to like what I grew up in and what I'm
used to, right, it brings you back to that point
in life, right, So, like that shit just rewires my
whole mentality of like how I'm gonna get after it,
because Bro, it's easy, bro to fall into the trap.

Speaker 5 (22:24):
You see that all the time.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Man, People think when they feel like they've arrived, when
they arrived, they get complacent.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
When you get complacent quick, I've seen it.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
There's always everyone's always going after somebody that's better than you.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Right, It's it's not you're Nobody's ever safe. Nobody ever
safe in anything that they do.

Speaker 6 (22:44):
Right. But like, and we were talking about, like from
like a recruiting standpoint in college, you have a recruit
come on a visit, right, you host maybe that dude
literally they're bringing in to take your spot.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
Yeah, And Lee that's the dry Now.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Now you got the draft right.

Speaker 6 (23:01):
Yeah, once you're draft day or that experience when you're
coming out of college, Yes you're the new kid on
the block. But now it's your vet. Obviously you wish
happiness and success to everybody. You don't just bad blood anybody,
but like, come in here, he's coming to take your job.
That's the reality of it. Yeah, that's I don't people

(23:21):
don't quite get that, Like that doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
When you're you know, bakery owner.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Man.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
That's like the biggest thing that I've tried to reiterate
to these young guys because even them, now here's the
dynamic that has changed football.

Speaker 5 (23:38):
I hate it at every level. When that's uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
Now for these younger guys, they can leave, they can leave,
they can go, and like there's gonna be somebody that
will take them. When you get to this, Like if
you want to leave, turn your iPad, all right, go ahead. So,
like you've now created a generation of athletes who can't
handle not being given what they want to right now, fast, too.

Speaker 5 (24:06):
Fast, instant gratification, Instagram.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
That's how we are.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
Yeah, that's how it's built. Now, that's how the system
is built now.

Speaker 6 (24:14):
It makes you wonder, like, at what point will it
reset because it seems like it has to.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
They won't. You don't think so it won't. The game
has changed now, dude, Like and I like coming back
looking because like even me, like my my last year
I was, I graduated and I had a teammate that
went to in C State. He transferred Inty State and
Inncy State was like, yo, like.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Get your boy.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
We like him.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Yeah, And I'm like, damn bro, power five, Like realistically,
like I'd always wanted to go to a Power five,
but I'm like, I'm weaaring the options and I'm like listen, like,
if I stay here, I'm doing something. I'm setting a
president not only about myself but like guys after me,
and I'm trying to set a standard for this program.

(25:02):
So like when I leave I found it, I leave
it better than I found it kind of you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (25:07):
So like that was the best.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
That was one of the best things I ever did,
because when I got to the lead, bro, there's no
running from that.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
You get cut.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
I you on the Predicate squad in a ducks and
you just a practice dummy every day how you gonna
handle it, like you can't run for then.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
I think the biggest thing that people like, I think
our audience, you knowing the juice is a bunch of
it's like athletes. You know, it's a special athletes who
most of them are trying to get to where we are,
you know, most people trying to get to the top
of their sport or or just you know, people just
love sports in general. Yeah, I think the craziest thing
that people understand is your best friend is the guy

(25:44):
that you're trying to take food off his plate.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Like there is no other the.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Like for me to be successful to help my family,
I have to beat you out and we play the
same position, but we're gonna hang out every day.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
We're gonna try to make each other better every day.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Like That's why I think football is so special and
just sports in general, because like you have to have
a relationship with somebody physically trying to take food off
your plate.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, and I think that is like the craziest.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
It's the weirdest dynamic ever.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
I explained this to people who don't play sports or
don't play sports at a high level. I'm like, bro,
this ain't like high school. Like this is like if
I don't perform and this guy takes my job, there's
I can't pay my.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Bills exactly done.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
Like yeah, I'm like out of like financial resources.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
Like this is it's like sink or swim, like dog
eat dog, but like this is my dog, my dog,
this is my boy. I'm with him sixteen hours out
of a day like training camp, Like I'm with him
more than I'm with my girl, like kind of vibe,
you know what I'm saying. So like the dynamic is
so crazy. I can't even explain it for real because.

Speaker 5 (26:55):
Like you just got to go through it to know it.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
But like brow you've explained it good.

Speaker 5 (26:59):
But it's like it's dog eat dog, but then like
that's a dog though, Like.

Speaker 6 (27:06):
There's nothing else like football on the whole say I say,
and I'm I'm telling you, once you're done with football,
like one of the biggest challenges is trying to and
it's something like you know, I've had to kind of
figure out And really one of the reasons I started
this whole pod is because like how do you take
that same approach, that same mindset that got you so

(27:27):
far and now you got to apply that to making
money corporate America and the corporate America right, how you
can provide for your family now that football isn't an
option right, once you're done, it's over, wraps over. There's
no pick up, you know, basketball league at the local
church where it's like, yeah, I'm gonna go hoop a

(27:47):
little bit. I get hit up all the time for
tucky bulls and yeah, I am not playing that. My
hamstring up, first of all, and I don't got the
resources I want to. Secondly, that I tried it once
yere I went. I was like, I've got my thieves, Michael, Yeah,
I can't do it.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Bro ran three routes. These dudes are like playing.

Speaker 6 (28:05):
I'm I'm I'm running three step in slants into that
window outside backer has been out.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
You can't do it ever again.

Speaker 6 (28:12):
So once it's done, it's how do you apply it
to life after ball? And I know we're on a
little bit of a time crunch right now. I did
want to bring up one thing though. I saw you're
a big shoe guy.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
Yeah, yeah, a big shoeguy.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
I actually just bought my first pair of Black Air
Force ones this past week.

Speaker 5 (28:29):
Oh you on that type of time.

Speaker 6 (28:30):
Oh so so I'm well presdent State guys, and uh,
I got two little brothers that play on the team. Still,
I host the pregame show there, and I feel like
tone needed to be set. So I got me and
my bro a pair of Blackout Force ones. I got
too full and special, and I was like, this is
out of my this is out of my normal. Uh,
this is my first time Blackout Force. I knew it

(28:52):
was a statement.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
I was like, but you gotta go in and have
this black Air Force one energy.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
You go, yeah, stand on business, you got stand on
in this. I look but like did the energy match?
Damn the swag like you got?

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yes, it was a blackout game and they w yeah.
So so so it's true.

Speaker 6 (29:08):
But being a guy who uh is a kind of
sore of shoes, how that passion come about?

Speaker 4 (29:15):
I ain't have them when I was young, bro, Like
you got them as a kid like my parents, my parents.
I have both my parents in my life, but I
mean my parents were like middle class, right, and like
this is this back, this back These kids don't even
know it's back in like East Bay catalog right.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Hey circle that you feel me? Like, Hey, I'm like
shortly out.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
I'm like, Damn, these drawing fours look fire. Damn these
twelves look fired. But I mean we didn't have it right.
Like I remember, I remember one time bro Kt dropped
the uh the galaxies. I think they were called the
KD Galaxies. I believe though, I believe so man, I
want to know so bad Bro.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
I went on this site. Bro, it was like, but like,
that's just how bad it was.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
So when I got to a point and we're like, because, Bro,
like you can tell a lot about somebody, but why
to put it by what they put on their feet?

Speaker 2 (30:07):
That's how I live.

Speaker 5 (30:08):
That's how I live.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
The first thing when I meet white Bro, I walked
in here, the first thing I did was look at
your shoes. Well that was what's saying. That's cool, that's.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Smooth, Bro.

Speaker 5 (30:17):
Youre some you want some vibe a tire right now?

Speaker 2 (30:19):
You chilling?

Speaker 6 (30:20):
Hey, But I'm a hybrid, bro, because I could throw
on some cowboy boots upstairs right now.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
Hey, I'm just now getting into that lane right now.
But uh not Bro.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
It was like so like when I got to the
point where I made some money, I'm like, Bro, at
all times, I'm gonna make sure I got some elite
feats my cleats now. Bro.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
It's the same way.

Speaker 6 (30:41):
Hey, the black black ugs today, if you came into
some if they didn't have the back on them, and
they were the tannugs, Like this guy might be a
little lazy, but he got those back in case he
had to go uphill to put the garbage cans in
if he maybe had.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Usually I wear my usually I wear my I got
like these Chaco uggist kind of shoes. Shout outs, my boy,
Perk man, I mean perk, hit me and bring the juice.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
You know, he's a guy who goes out there and
plays most positions only gun team, plays every special teams.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Man plays the whole game on defense. Man. This guy
brings the juice every day. Man up to the people, Man, Man,
what's up with it? Perk in the building? You know? Yeah, Man,
getting to it. That's all I could do, You feel me, Louise?

Speaker 1 (31:23):
He and a raised occasions. I've seen that. Did you
have a cross past with Ben Woolridge?

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Oh yeah, Ben was there actually my last year before
the cloud? Okay?

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah yeah Ben?

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah yet play with yeah yeah? Being they are there
snapping right now. Yeah, It's crazy he got hurt last
year and then he came back this year. He I'm like,
damn being he's still out there, That's what I'm saying.

(31:59):
Minute he played two years with he balling right now.

Speaker 6 (32:02):
I wish him the best. I've always loved been bro great,
great dude. I also have written down you recently engaged.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Oh yeah, graduation gradulations. Appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (32:09):
That's why I know you got a time crunch right now.
So I know we don't want to get you in
the doghouse. We're gonna get you in and out of
here real quick. But you got dropped fourth round in
the Commanders after playing at Louisiana, and talk about just
your transition from college.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Ball to the league and how that was for you
both physically and emotionally.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Uh, for me, like I played it. You know, I
played in the Sun Belt, so it was like I
feel like the like the resources that like SEC schools
get like we don't get the mill preps and all that.
So I'm really like the only safety who when when
I get to the common I'm the onlyest safety who
like one hundred ninety seven for real, Like I'm the

(32:50):
only one. So I'm like damn, So I get to
the league, right, so I'm already a little undersize, you know,
so like well on the wait, so it's like, oh,
I'm banging hurting, so I'm like, no, I gotta get right. Yeah.
But it was like when I first came in MO
like fast, fast as hell.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
Right.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
But there was another thing though, I feel like it's
like how you getting the how you going into the
meeting rooms. Is you writing everything down, because like they
gonna go over, like you gotta learn the league, They're
gonna go over everything. Once you got that one time
to get right or well the one time to write
that's down all you probably never hear that again for

(33:33):
a minute until you went there exactly until you getting
into the you don't want that too many times. But
like teams like always was like when I actually when
I was in college, just how I'm playing teams and defense.
I played teams all the teams, well not all the teams,
like all of the defensive teams, like and I played

(33:54):
all the defense and like I used to have like
the most tackles on teams. Yeah, and in like in
college football, like they had me life for like the
best best of teams players coming out with the draft.
But I was good on defense too, so I was
scribbing up. But that transition was like just getting the

(34:15):
just becoming a pro, Like you just got to learn
how to become a pro quick, right.

Speaker 6 (34:20):
What about the mindset of you know, coming out of
the Sunbelt, Like it's not like you're coming out of
in Ohio State or Michigan or Georgia necessarily where they're
not caring. They're expecting you to already be proven coming
from a school like that. Obviously people don't really realize.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
But the way you make the bust, the way you
make the fifty three man is playing teams.

Speaker 6 (34:41):
Was there ever an adjustment you had to make in
your head to say, like I need to really commit
myself to being the best L three or or four
wherever it was that week.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
I mean for me, like even like like any like
anything with football, Like I feel like it's just playing
football to me. So it's like I'm always like I
ain't gonna be the person to ever like slack off
like like a play just because it's teams, you know,
Like I used to play full on gunner and I
used to be like in college, like everybody knew like

(35:13):
I'm taking all the gunner ups for the game and
I'm going kickside, I'm getting the doubles like I wanted that,
you know, because I'll rather to me do that so
to get like the best field position for the defense.
Because I'm on the I'm starting to say defense, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
So like I was, I was on that.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
So it's like.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
It just it just it just come. So what went
into your calls decision? What made you choose that school?

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Man? See, it was either like when when I came,
when I started like really taking football. Series was like
my senior year, I had seen uh Tyd Harris. He
went to LSU. He went ESPN three hundred from our school.
So I seen him. I'm watching him on TV. I'm like,
oh he could do that. Yeah, I'm finna. I'm finna,

(36:02):
I'm gonna try to do something with it. So like
that's when like twelve grade year, I'm like, all right,
bet then I had I was playing receivers, so I
got moved to safety. And then well I college in
high school and then I'm like all right, well I
was mad as her at the coach, but I was
playing corner an safety just on defense, just depending on
what the team do. And then like I come in

(36:24):
and get the offer and it's like, oh, I'm like, man,
this this is what I'm finna. Do you just knew
right there? Like offer, I'm committed. Oh yeah, well I've
been had seen the school and it's like, well, I
ain't get them first, I got something missed first, I got,

(36:48):
well something I got It's crazy how I got something
missed because I got sudden missed when like it was
like a patent goal on the coach. He had came
there and he actually became seen another dude, well, another
guy one of my partners. His name, Why ain't two
something best high school football player I've ever seen in
my life? Wayne? And Touson search him up? Why just
high like check yep. And then I like I got
offered like right then and uh from playing like just

(37:11):
doing Patt and Gold. He was like who is that guy?
So I was I was like, oh, that's the blessing.
Then Louisiana actually offered me like after four games in
the season when I had started locking up and it's
like I had took a tour though. When you know
how it be when you're going to visit with your
getting recruited. I wasn't getting recruited, so I went on
to visit there and I was like, Oh, this is

(37:33):
school I'll come to. And then I got the off
I committed. It was either them or on Colorado State,
and I ain't want to go that far because I
knew my people wouldn't gonna baby travel to the game.
So I was like, I'm gonna just stay here. Okay,
what about draft night?

Speaker 1 (37:48):
What was your draft experience?

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Like my draft experience, I'm gonna say, like, you know
how it be you when you been put in all
that word and then it's like, you know, like people
talking about you, like how they how they put what
wrong you're going. So it's like you're looking at that,
but really that don't even matter because it's it's like

(38:13):
anybody could go. Yeah, it's just like anybody could go.
So it's like boom, the day two hit, that day
get over. You know how it be? You just mad
as hell, like damn. But then like when day three come,
I get my agent he called me he like man

(38:33):
because I had he had got me like a little
house on a little like a lake for the arm
draft and I had left. I just disappeared, So you
jipped out. Yeah, man, all disappeared. So so he called me.
He like, man, they gonna call you, They gonna call
you early boom. I just made it back to my

(38:54):
my mom's and my paps. They had got a new
crib and I had just made it back there, and
then I had to hurry up, like somebody, I see
a strange number calling, So I hurry up and going
to back patio and I'm like, oh, my answer, and
I'm talking coach Rivera. He had called me. Man, my
heart just started racing like it just I don't know.

(39:16):
It was just like it can't be real. I ain't
gonna lie. I to shed a cup of tills. Walk
back in the house and I and I told my people.
They were just smiling, and I was like, cut on
the TV, hurry up, cut on the TV. And you know,
it's their new house so it really ain't have a
lot of furniture in there, so but it had the
TV mounted, so he had to hurry up and cut
on the TV. And so you weren't even watching the draft.

(39:38):
You weren't even like expecting you were gonna go. You
were just like I was expecting I was gonna go
I was expecting. I was knowing I was gonna get picked,
like eat it for day three, Like I knew for
the show, I was gonna get picked day three. But
it was like I didn't. I was not want to
watch it, you know, like I well, day two, I

(40:01):
watched it on TV, but then I was like, nah,
I can't do this day three because I'm like a
that jinx myself.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Yeah, that's a lot of emotions right there.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
And then it's like I was driving, I'll be pulling
it up. I'm like, man, I don't even need to
look at that. I'm just wait on my phone.

Speaker 6 (40:17):
Or damn, who's a dude in the league that kind
of took you under their wing and it helped you
become a pro? H.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
I'm gonna say, like when I came into the league,
a lot of the dudes who took me under their wing.
I'm gonna say Cam Curll for show, uh DFO defo,
Bobby McCain and Revo for sure, like Revo, all them boys,
them boys, like I don't know, like in a DP room,
we always been like tight knit and like always you know,

(40:50):
like help out each other, like it was never like
everybody helping out each other because everybody want to see
each other to see.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
I noticed on your Instagram. I know you heard me
telling them live. I do my research.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
You breed dogs?

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, talk to me about that.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Well, I'm actually about to get out of it cause
like the dog breeding, it's just like it's crazy. Yeah,
it's water down now though, because like everybody want to
do it. So everybody just breeding anything like anything. Yeah,
like you how you get a fluffy fisher man, you know,
I know you bring that to a poodle man. Yeah,

(41:30):
so people just bringing anything. People just bringing anything, but
like man, like growing up though, like me and my
big brother Tod, like we used to have like dogs
like peoples like the American people of Terrice wrapped around
the trailer like like probably like ten dogs like wrapped
as yeah, wrapped around the trailer like like growing up,

(41:51):
like I've always been the animals like dogs man. So
like I don't know, it just it just came from that.
Then you see the big XL pretty show dogs and
then it's like, oh nah, I don't even like this
bad right here? Who ripping up all the damn cage?
Oh no, I'm going to get the big big EXL
sit up, sit up in the living room, just just

(42:14):
like a like a cowie living room. Crazy.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
So you got how many dogs you got right now?

Speaker 6 (42:20):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (42:22):
At back home probably at the camp we probably got
like twenty something. Wow, But I got three at my house.
I got a frenchie EXL bully and the English bulldog.
You got any advice? I got a dog right now
that's been digging up the yard a little bit. What
kind of dog you got?

Speaker 6 (42:36):
Go ahead, multi do a little weak little dog. After
you're saying excel bully, I'm like, listen, bro, you said
it's digging up the yard. I got this electric shot
callar recently shout out Halo pricey as hell, But it's working.
It's just like he's a great dog.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (42:53):
I actually have two, Chimmy and Henny, And uh, Henny's
kind of a little bit of a like Jimmy will chill.
Henny though, like he's super nervous and it pisses my
wife off, and now she wants to get rid of
the dogs. And I'm like really going through some I
know Mike has some words to say about this. Siia, Yeah,
I think got rid of my wife got rid.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Of my dog, so sins are subject. But what kind
of dog?

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yeah, hey, Mike, he't wha wha wha, let's talk about this.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
I'll smoke about his dog all right. Man.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Name is Cash, so now let's talk about Cash twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Right, just just got drafted a lot of money on
the pocket. I'm like, hey, you know, like I'm gonna
go get a dog. So drafted Atlanta, moved out there.
Wife came with me, girlfriend at the time. So wife
now shout out to kim uh at the time. She
went home, so we got we probably in Atlanta for
like a week. She's like, I'm gonna go home to
get my stuff so I can move out here. I'm

(43:49):
all right, cool, So I'm by myself. I'm like, I
don't want to do myself. So I just walked in
this place called in the Mall, Georgia. I walked in
this place called Petland, and I go in there and
I see this palm ski. I'm like, damn, Like that's
like this dog like a miniature basically a miniature husky.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
I'm like, I like this.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
I've always liked the husky, so I like the way
I look. I've always liked him. I'm like, but I
don't want like too big of a dog, you know whatever.
I got like a miniature one. Long story short, this
dog was seven thousand dollars.

Speaker 5 (44:17):
Yeah on seven K.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
See that's why I want to pitch up for people
like you. You know, no, I'm sure it's just walking
and they just trying to give people you money, you know,
like I was the dog. Only what happened.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
I was literally like, you know what, I want that one.
I don't even show me nothing, like I'm getting that one.
And then they're like, oh, like if you want this,
do you want that? You know you have the cage,
you have this, And I'm like, oh yeah, give me this,
give me that.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
I'm just and.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
Long story short, his name is seven K and I
don't have him anymore. So that was a hole in
my pocket. Seven thousand dollars out out the window. Because
he was doing things that my wife didn't like. She
didn't he didn't listen to her, and she was like,
I'm the one who has to take care of his
dog while you're at work all day. So I'm getting
rid of them. So I learned my lesson. He was

(45:02):
active active.

Speaker 6 (45:04):
Oh man, someone saying I would love to be a
fly on the wall in that locker room, and I'm
like want emotion.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
You gotta love the game of football.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Bro, Oh yeah, gotta love the game of football. It's
crazy because like for us, like that game like if
you know, like the how like we was grinding that
game and for the almost losing and then to like
just get the second like like God just came through.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
That's juice right.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
There, Bro, that's juice better than that hell mary Win,
that's yeah.

Speaker 6 (45:35):
Yeah, Perk, I know you gotta slide, but I appreciate
your time, Appreciate your pert. Run this back seriously, appreciate
you sliding on and bring the juice right now. I
know Mike speaks very highly of you, So that's right,
and they fired up.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Be sure to follow perk on on the gram gets going.
We'll get you out to the president.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Bro. Let's do it, sir.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
I appreciate you, pert.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Bring the juice.