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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Coming back off being a little bit under the weather.
There flew a little ammonia and my throats still a
little tore up. So you have to deal with me
with a little bit different sounding voice. I'm told I
sound somewhere in between the smoking ants from the Simpsons
and Berry White, so hoping more of the latter.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Than the former.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
But how you gentlemen doing it? Been a long time
I hadn't seen.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
You doing well. I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Better than you, brother, Yes, well you know, I mean,
my voice really is shredded, so I can't. This is
my home in terms of range of emotion this evening,
but we'll muddel through one way or the other. A
lot of stuff going on, obviously, Broncos made some free
agent moves, some other irons in the fire as far
as that stuff goes. I'm kind of with Dave Logan
that I would be absolutely stunned if the Broncos signed
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Cooper Cup. That would be the antithesis of what they
said they were doing. It would be the opposite of
what they told media people, and it would wreck a
minimum to get him. You're talking about a minimum of
three years, twelve million per probably probably North of that.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Who's to say that the Broncos can't get that done?
And I know what you're saying is though on top
of the fact that I don't want it, But yeah,
I get the fact that you don't want it. You
don't want a lot of things exactly, No, I do
want a lot of things. Yeah, well you do. What's
your voice? To come back to what it got too? Yes, well,
I mean the whole idea of thinking, okay, well, if
the Broncos made the move in that direction for Cooper Cup,
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this would go totally against what they had put out there.
Let it be known. I mean, do you think teams
often tell what they're going to do?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
They normally do the opposite fair, but they also you know,
when you're having a background session with media, you tend
not to lie to them. You tell you say, this
is on background, so you can't report this, but this
is what we're doing so you can understand where it's going.
That doesn't mean teams can't pivot, but it would certainly
create an air of distrust with a coach and media.
If that coach got in front of all I got,
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if you got if you lie, looked you in the
eyelight to you, you wouldn't feel it.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Come on, Ben, come on, let's be grown and put
on a grow.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
You don't have to say anything. They go out of
their way to say this. They didn't have to say anything.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
That's right. They never have to say anything. They never
have to tell you the truth. And you're the point.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
They didn't have to specifically talk about that issue. They
made it a point to say we're not doing this.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
So the great part about it is that you can
always turn and pivot with new information. They can't.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
And and again that's that that's the part I'm getting at.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
What I'm what I'm suggesting, though, is just that it
does create he'll have they'll have to address that at
some point behind the scenes, because if if that is
the case, then they would have to address that behind
the scenes.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It's simple. It's just like every parent does with their child.
Tell me, if you heard this before, why do I
got to do this? Because I said so now you
need to know. But I get that.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
But what I'm saying is you've got an entire assembled
media that you you put in a room and you
said we're not doing this, and then you turn around.
If you turn around and do that you got to
address that. I mean a little evil genius.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Well, it's real, it's real.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I still may go back, and I would still be
stunned if they did that. Okay, you might be stun
with I'm with Dave Logan.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I would be. It might stun other people, but after
you have time to sit back as session situation, because
every team goes through free agency with a list of
guys they want to get right, and you don't get all.
You don't all get them right. So it's like, okay,
if you don't get this guy, you turn and pivot.
Think about what the Broncos probably wanted to do day
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one with the middle nside linebacker position. They saw a
lot of guys go back to their original team and
stay with that team, so they had to turn and pivot.
It's the basic two step, right, the two step dance,
Turn and pivot. I hear that. Now.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
The other part of this is and fans just want
every name. You hear a name they wanted. I get
questions about us, check how does he fit here? You know,
you get a question how does Cooper cup even? You
just signed Evan Ingram, So who are you pulling off?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
The who's a heavy slot.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
So who are you pulling off the field to put Cooper.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Cup on the field at that point? Okay, well, let's
really dressed this and dressed it down from a football standpoint.
Looking at the Broncos current wide receiver room, they have
a lot of guys who have talent. They're young, some
guys have shown it. Some guys as oh, we're really
excited about what they can be. Right, he can be
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and is are two separate things. I'm there with you.
We're totally going that now. The only problem I think
people and you correct me. You know David is not Ida,
but you correct me. As far as you're concerned, your
problem is that the money that it that it might
take the asking dollar for Cooper Cup? Is it that
that amount I have several that's one off? Okay, well
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well okay, spit him out.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So well, it's ability. It's a declining ability for four years.
You throw on the tape and seither guy can barely
separate anymore. That doesn't mean he doesn't have great hands,
that isn't a smart football like you guy, and uh,
if you do bring him in, you're really buying and
hoping that he's that dude in the locker room that's
set in the example with the work ethic and the
other things, because he's not the same player that he
was when he set the triple crown. The guys had
seasons in the league. He only has two thousand yard seasons.
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He's very often injured. He's missed eighteen games over the
last three years, and that's not going to get better
at thirty two years old, which is what he what
he will be this season. So you know, I have
a lot of issues with that. I don't want to
overspend on a three year contract on somebody that's you know,
what are you looking at in.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Terms of productivity? What would be?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
What do you what would you expect out of a
Cooper Cup in this offense? Because if he got more
than four hundred yards in this offense, I would you know,
I would be floored, all right.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So I'm going to speak from a position of defense, right,
not defending my point against you, but just the idea
of x's and o's because I hear two things and
I've heard it. I'm hearing it from you, and I've
seen it on social media. The idea of Okay, well
he's always injured, and well you know what, he can't separate.
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You don't need him to do that right now in
this stage of the career. You need a guy to
playing the slot who is excellent as far as moving
the chains on third down. Here's what we know about
the Broncos from last season. Drive starters not that good
third down, not that good, red zone not that good.
So for me, when you get a guy like Cooper Cup,
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albeit he can't separate, We're not asking you to get
outside the numbers, but I can show you tape of
Cooper Cup being outside the numbers and still giving a
guy to business. Right, there's a.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Couple of places where he got open, but he got
left alone on most of them. You go back and
look at the tape from last year.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
He got left alone. It's not his fault, No, it's
his fault.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I'm just saying, like, there are some cases where you
look at something, I'm like, Okay, they just didn't respect
his ability to run anymore, and somebody, somebody just didn't bother.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
That's fine, And you can disrespect the player to your
detriment and get cooked. Yeah, And putting a guy in
the slot like that who was very versatile, to me,
that's viable because we're still talking about the evolution and
the growth of bot Nicks. The reason I look at
Cooper Cup and say, okay, well, so anyone telling me
that he can't separate. I mean, I remember playing against
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Wes Walker and he played for the Miami Dolphins. They
had him outside the numbers and Darren Williams champ Bailey
ate his lunch and then all of a sudden, they go,
let's move him inside. He went to the Patriots and
he did work right. And Kwan Bolden is another guy,
and quald was never fast in the prime of his career.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Well, yeah, neither one of those guys were gonna run
a grade forty, but both those guys were elite quick.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
But once again, this is what we should talk about
instead of saying, okay, well he can't separate alike. That
may be the case, and I'll give you that, but
let's talk about what he can do. So the two
guys I just named, and Kwan Bolden and Wes Walker,
to put those guys in the slot. The slot is
the most difficult position to defend. Like Dakwan McMillan got
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criticized last year because everyone was saying, well, a lot
of passes got caught on him. You put your butt
in that nickel position to see how difficult it ission.
That's right. So now you get a guy who got
excellent in and outside type of breaks. Like he may
not have long speed, but he got short speed quickness,
and to me in the slot, that's valuable for a
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guy like bo who could move. I'll give you this
last visual. Imagine bow Nick's on the move and we've
seen him on the room scramble to to get get yards,
but also on the edge. Right now, you've got a
guy who understands how to get open.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I hear you on that. I just I don't think
he's the same guy. I just don't think he's that
due anymore. In his prime he was absolutely that guy.
But I mean, I mean, you watch him now and
it's just I don't know it felt. I would rather
have Evan Ingram, who's a big slot. I would rather
have him out there with bow On to move throwing.
He's got size, he's got better athleticism. Even even though
both of them are are older, they're over, you know,
thirty or over. It was just old for like you
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not have both well, I mean, like you not have both.
I mean, where are you putting Gooberg. He's not a
z he's certainly not an axe. Where are you putting?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You put him in the slots?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Where are you putting Ingram? You put you run a
dual slot. Ingram is a tight end, but you don't play.
I mean seventy eight percent of his snaps come out
out wide or in the slot.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Okay, think about it this way. See you're taking this
frame of mind. Okay, Well, here's what he can't do.
Can't separate. I'm looking at what's going to give each
defense that you face fits with that.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
You can put the guy anywhere, figure it out. You
can't put me out there. I'm not gonna figure it
out like you can't, like in a VACU. That's the point.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
The larger point here is is you know, as I
look at this, I'm not looking at it like what
they can't do. I get where you come from that.
I'm looking at it from who am I taking off
the field to put this guy on the field?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Right? Am I taking more of him?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Mims off the field, My takeing Ingram off the field,
my ticket sometting off the field, and I take who
am I taking off the field to put this guy
on the field, because at some point I do I
have to do that, right? So does that make me
better if I put him on there in lieu of
whoever that the player is, Does that make me better?
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Does that make me more dangerous? And that's the lens that.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I'm trying to look at it through, is if I
put Cooper Cup out there, does that make me better
than having Evan Ingram out there? And if so, then
why'd I just paying them all the money? Does that
make be better than having Marvin Mims out there? Does
it may be better than having Courtland Sutton out there?
And so those are the questions that I'm asking myself,
is like, Okay, there's a limited number of people that
could be on the field at any given time.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
What is my role?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
What am I using Cooper Cup for? And am I
better with him than I am with Vele or Mimes.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Or Ingram or Sutton or whomever? Uh? Yeah, And here's
the reason why. Because we're talking about precision running, execution,
getting open flashing your numbers, giving a quarterback an option
from a wide receiver standpoint, so you can get memes,
you get your tied end on the field. You can
get Cooper Cup if that is the case, or any
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slot receiver for that matter, you take a running back
off the field. To me, it's a track meet. Why
what do you think that Seawan McVay is trying to
do out there in the West Coast by adding DeVante
Adams trying to create a track team. You're trying to
get people teams to put put your best players against
our best player. Most teams don't have three good dvs.
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They don't have, right, And that's the point.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Well, I mean specifically with Vivey, he's trying to get
you to go too high on the outside so you
can run the ball and to eat you up on
the on the inside. Because you know, for four shell
and two shell are the two Vogue coverages in the
NFL right now, the vic defense, right So yeah, he's
trying to put he's trying to put Pooka and Devanta
Adams on the outside and he's trying to force you
to have to go too high on him. Well, now
I can run the ball on you. Now I can
sit there nickel and dime you out of the slot underneath.
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That's what Avey's trying to do.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
But wouldn't you think that if they did bring in
Cooper Cup they would get they would move on from
Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Do you think they would try to keep both?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Well, Okay, let's let's let's go down that road, because
I think that's a valid question.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
They don't play the same position.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
They're both wide receivers, but they don't play the same
position in the same way that Adam Troutman and Interning
ram By both tight ends. But they don't play the
same position, right, So my question there is is if
if that's the case, then you already think that Devon
Vailey is good enough to play the acts correct, So
what are we doing hanging on to Courtland to begin with?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Then? But then that'll fit right into your motif that
you've been you're preaching all last year that Veyley is
that guy. So if he is that guy and he
has that potential, then it makes it that much easier
for the team to go in a different directions, knowing
as though Courtland's coming up on his last season on
his contract. Right, So let's go down this right.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I'm agreeing with both of you on these points, by
the way, but I'm gonna play the Devil's advocate a
little bit, as though you always do. I have been
known they tell me there's something about a blanket and
it's dampness.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I don't know if that is indeed the case.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Then the money situation becomes a wash, because if you
move on from Courtland after June first, you're gonna, say,
fourteen point six against a Cap and Cooper Cup's going
to run you somewhere between twelve and fifteen million per year.
That's what's gonna cost. So in that case, the money
is to wash. If we remove Courtland from that equation.
Is this offense better with Vele, Cup, Angrim and Nims
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that it would be with Sutton Vley, Ingram and Memes.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I would like to think so. And here's here's why.
Here's my indicators. Right, let's go back to hold on
to your seat for a second, Grant. Let's go back
to that game against the Bengals. What do we see
from Marvin Mems that we hadn't seen the entire season? Right?
We saw him going vertical, two amazing catches in the
red zone from bow Nicks, and remember bow was on
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the run.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Which is why I think he's the starting Z next year.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Okay, So if the Broncos wanted to thinking from that
standpoint and using a little of your logic as it
pertains to the projections of Bela, you put Marvin Mems
in belay, those become your two top receivers, right, you
can put now put Cooper Cup, a veteran guy who
can help lead those two guys. Because he's a veteran guy,
he's he's played this game at a high level, and
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he's been to the super Bowl where these two young
guys expect to get. So he would be great inside
that wide receiver room. And oh, by the way, Evan
Ingram can help you out whether he's in the corps
outside of the corp as well. Bengals rush four, next
deep drop.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Now Rolls's right, throws the ball he wants Mems in
the corner of the end zone.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Marvin goes up, makes the catch. That's a different touchsound.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
They are stand here at Paint Course Stadium, a twenty
five yard.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Touchdown pass Nicks to Mems.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I'm first of all, Dave's voice cracking worse than mine is.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Right now, I will say that he.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Would like you know that voice had hadn't hit those
notices high school of just saying I'm glad you there's
a certain words that you just said there, And it's
the one way that you could possibly even sell me
on this Cooper Cup thing, because I disagree on the
other I think you've got a declining receiver in declining production.
I think you've already got veteran leadership in there, and Sutton,
if you're got to do that, I like the one
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thing that you said right to this stood out. He's
been to the Super Bowl? Who do you have on
the office the side of the ball it's been to
the super Bowl before? On the defense, you got guys.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
In fact, you just.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Brought in more guys. You got guys at every level
on that defense that have been to the Super Bowl before.
On the offensive side of the ball, who do the
Broncos have that have been to the Promised Land before?
And the answered that is nobody. I mean McGlinchey, but
the answer to that is nobody. You don't have. That's
the one way that you could sell me on this
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with the with the Cooper Cup thing, I'm not paying
twelve million dollars a year for that.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
No one said that they had to. I see a
possibility and it may not work out the way that
I'm envisioning, but in my mind there's a possibility. Why
you say, okay, well, the money that he's looking for,
he doesn't get it, but there's still an opportunity to
get him to that amount that he needs to. You
throw some insensives in there. Play you know, playoff bonuses.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Contract last year has production bonuses.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So if you are betting on yourself and you're saying
you're Cooper Cup and you want fifteen and saying like, na,
we'll give you nine, and we'll give you some escalating
numbers to get you to that point.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
If you think you that good, right, then you know
on yourself yourself.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
But also been to your point about him with the
Super Bowl experience. I was talking to Nick about this
last night, and I don't know if it was off
air on air, but the stories of him in the
in the film room with Matt Stafford and learning how
to see the game through the eyes of a quarterback.
I mean, think how much of that would benefit bo
in his second year in his development as a quack.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Well, you would hope that that would be the case,
and you would hope that it would I I'm not
knocking or just waiting that. I just think that Cooper,
cause you're paying for a name and the production that
the legend behind that name are about four years past
their expiration date.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
How many times do we see that happen in the NFL. Well,
we have a guy who's considered to be a great
locker room guy. Why he's on the down side of
his career, there's still a couple of things that he
can do. And once again I go back to and
Kwan Boulden, right what he was able to do when
he was with either Baltimore or San Francisco. Right, you
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know that you Buffalo or Buffalo. You know that you're
reading this guy for a short period of time, but
you know there's some other intangibles he brings to the
table that would take the team to the next level. Well,
you hope they take this to mean that that's what
I'm thinking about. That's how I look at the situation.
I'm not from that standpoint. I guess I'm not opposed.
I just think that there are other ways to do it.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
And honestly, there are other veteran wide receivers if they
were going to make a move and totally go against
what they said, Uh, and do that there are other
wider I mean, like why not take a shot at
a Mariy Cooper who still got some juice in the tank.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Maybe because they don't feel as they as they're aligning
these veteran wide receivers like I know that they are.
They're having these conversations back and forth just like you
and I and granted have it right. But now I said, okay,
but which one of these guys we feel will fit
our locker room because it's not just about the production,
not just about the about the money, it's about the building.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
The culture well that too, It's just the whole reason
I don't want digs here either.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yes, so to me, Cooper Cup is that type of guy.
Whether they get the deal done or not, I don't know.
But if his number comes down and and they put
an incentives in this contract where you can get get
to where you need to with escalator, to me.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
It's a win win. We can get to more of
that later.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Plus, I've been mostly excited with every move they've made
as far. There's one I didn't like and one I
extremely loved, And we'll get a chance to get into that.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
But we come back. We're gonna say what the funk
with our guy, Rick Lewis, the colorass the Never Broncus.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Just to Broncos Country Night. You're on K Way. That's
a different sound.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Bring out our guy, Rick Lewis, Rick, How you doing, buddy?
Speaker 6 (18:34):
What the funk that I had to take a double.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Take on my voice?
Speaker 6 (18:38):
Is this Benjamin Albright or Benjamin all right?
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Well it's Benjamin Barry White tonight.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
You sound like you could be a phone sex operator
right now. Maybe have an only fans page. Man, you've
got to take advantage of this voice while you got it.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, that's what I Uh, we're changing my name legally
to Benjamin Barry White and uh.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
And going with that for for for the eve.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, as long as I got this move out of here,
Like I was talking to Grant, I was like, well,
maybe I could take over over overnights on KBCO. You know,
we'll unveil a new R and B segment will be
the Quiet Stone with Benjamin o'bright, you know, And I just.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Get that voice going.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Man, But oh, you you're a voice here, the color
analyst of the Denver Broncos. A lot of stuff going
on out there, rumors about the Broncos, But what have
you thought about the actual things that they've done on
free agency so far?
Speaker 6 (19:27):
I think they had a fantastic week. Broncos got some dogs,
no doubt about it, green Law thing, Ingram and these
guys filled three holes in that roster that they were
really hoping to do here in the off season. I
think the only piece left for them is the running
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back room. And we still have the draft coming up.
You know, the question is will they take their twentieth
pick and use it on oh Maryon Hampton he'll probably
be there, or will they wait and see maybe they
can get him in the second round. Maybe they got
their eye on a guy in the third round. But
I think things couldn't have been better for the Broncos
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in this offseason. A Broncos country, you should be excited.
It kind of feels to me like, and you tell
me if I'm wrong, But the way they handled it
this week, it feels like they might think their windows
open like right now, like they can compete this year.
What do you guys think about that?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Well, I'm right there with you. Based on the moves
that they've made on both sides of the ball, that
tells me that they think that they're right in that window.
And the reason they feel that way is based on
the progression and master mistrm process of one vow Nix. Now,
had you asked me that at the very beginning of
the season, I would have looked at you a little sideways, like,
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I don't know, But based on where he and how
he is developed, I'm like, yeah, the Broncos feel as
though they're in the window. But here's the other thing.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Rick.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Looking at the AFC as a hole, not just the
AFC West, but the conference as a whole, there is
an opportunity. Well, you look at the South, I mean,
you look at the North, you look at the East.
A lot of those teams are not hitting on all
cylinders based on personnel. This could be an opportunity for
the Broncos. And oh, by the way, right come twenty
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twenty six, the Broncos is gonna have more money to spend.
So yes, I'm like pushing chips at the center of
the table. What do you got to lose?
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Yeah, but it's unbelievable how fast they really rebounded and
rebuilt after Russell Wilson. I don't think anybody saw this coming.
And kudos to both George Peyton and Sean Payton. Just
a tremendous job of working with the money they had
last year, the season they had last year, going to
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the playoffs, and it does feel like Nick, like this
is their window this year. And when you look at
the quality of players they got, I think that they
think they can compete, compete, certainly for the AFC West
this year.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Now, now, I heard you in what you were saying
in your reply. You mentioned great by Jeorge Payning, great
by Sean Payne, all kudos to those guys. But I
did hear you mentioned one guy and that was Vance Joseph.
Was there a reason as to why, because I don't
want to think of it in a different way, but
I'm want to give you an opportunity to respond.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Uh, Well, I was. I was basically referencing the off season,
and of course Dvance Joseph would have some input in
these guys that they got. I thought Vance did a
great job last year. When you look at the roster
on the defensive side of the ball, I think they overachieved.
You know, in general, I think that team overachieved last year.
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I'm glad Vance is back this year. They're going to
be even better this year with the two guys they
got and then signing DJ Jones to plug up that middle.
They basically the guys that they picked, they slet the
middle of that defense, you know, and all three levels.
So I think they should be better this year. And
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they were pretty damn good last year. So yeah, kudos
the VJ too.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Talking with Rick Lewis, color analyst of the Denver broncause
I loved the defensive signings, but you know what I
really love is the signing of Trent Shrfield. And I
know most people are like, okay, whatever, he's the replacement
for Traymont Smith and maybe a little bit little Jordan Humphrey.
But if you can watch the tape on this guy,
this dude is a nasty blocker for a wide receiver.
I've got some clips to him picking up an edge
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rusher and just pushing him out of the way on
a stretch run play, and it's just fascinating to watch.
I talked to some people who are former teammates here.
They called him a glue guy, great guy in the
locker room, all this great stuff. Are we are we
not hyping up the Trent Sherfield signing enough.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
Well, of course you're a student of the game, you
and Nick both, so you look at guys a lot
different than the average fan does. In the average fan
when they him, it was a big yawn, like, okay,
so what And you're right, he's basically going to replace
Tremont Smith. But I think there's some other things he
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can do that Tree meant you can't do. You know,
you mentioned him as a blocker. You know he can
catch some passes for you too, and play great special teams.
So no, another great signing. I think when you look
at the this week a free agency, Broncos get an A.
You know, I haven't seen anybody great the teams yet
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for the week, but I would think everybody would look
at the Broncos and go, they got an A, A
or A plus eason a great week for Broncos country.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Oh when we look at the running back position, because
for me, I feel as though the Broncos still need
a veteran guy to go out there who can actually
leave the room and just kind of show these guys
how to get it done. Is there a particular back
with a skill set? Right? You don't have to give
me the name of the bank. But there is there
a particular skill set that you will like the Broncos
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to look for in the bat to bring in here
to take the pressure off a bow.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Well, you'd love to have a three down back. That's
one thing they don't have. You know, it's been running
back by committee. They've got the speedback to change of
pace guy in McLoughlin. They've got the power back in estimate.
But I think it'd be great if they could get
a three down back. And you're right, I wouldn't be surprised, Nick,
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if they go out and get a veteran running back, Well,
he'd be, you know, their key guy in the room.
Maybe not. I think they may be looking at that
in the draft. There's certainly a lot of great choices
coming up in the draft. It's a great year to
be needing a running back for the Broncos, So a
lot of choices out there coming out of college. But
I do think they will add a veteran of some
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sort just to kind of stabilize and solidify that room
and a guy who can be a leader in the
room with the young running backs.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
I got to ask you about some of the biggest
news I've seen recently. I've seen you play all across
Colorado with the Rick Lewis Project. But you've got a
show coming up at the greatest venue on earth, Red Rocks.
Tell us a little bit.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
About that, man, Man, I'll.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
Tell you what. We climbed them out, man. Yeah. Red
Rocks is the pre mir up to our concert venue
probably in the world. I haven't played during a long time.
My previous band played there four or five six times,
but it's been since two thousand and eight, and with
this band, Rick Lewis Project, we haven't played there yet.
And this thing came together really really fast. I got
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a call on Friday like, Hey, we might want to
add you to this lineup. Don't get your hopes up
for anything, but we're thinking about maybe putting you on
the bill. And I kind of brushed it off, like yeah, okay, whatever,
probably not going to happen. Then I got a call
this Monday like, hey, you're on. We're putting you on
the bill. And I have been stoked. I've been so stoked, man,
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I seriously, this is no joke. I haven't had a
good night's sleep since Monday.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
So excited, man, And all the things you know, you
got to do, you know, to get ready for a
show like this. There's a lot of moving parts to
do this and contract to sign and all the other stuff. Man,
it couldn't be a bigger honor than playing at Red Rocks.
We're playing with lost Lonely Boys Eric Glees, who, by
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the way, is the baddest guitar player on the planet.
Joe Bonamasa says, Eric Gailes is the greatest guitar player
in the world. So that ought to tell you something
right there. And then we're right behind him. We're the
third band in the lineup. It's April thirteenth at Red Rocks.
Tickets on sale right now. And thanks for bringing that up, man,
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It's just been quite the week for me and the band. Man,
we are thrilled.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Well, I'm looking forward to get out there and seeing you.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Obviously, I was going to plan on seeing it at
our Parker, and then I got the flu in pneumonia
was unable to do that. But as I'm recovering now,
I am planning on seeing you out there Red Rocks
and being out there to sports you.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Brother.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Well, I hope you keep that voice though, because you're
not Benjamin alright, you're.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Benjamin all right, that is uh, that is Rick Lewis
Cora Hills in the Denver Bronco and nickname Officionado.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
And look forward to see your name of Rick Luis
Project out there at Red Rocks.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Appreciate your brother, all right, Love you guys.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I always love talking to Rick and happy for Rick
Lewis Project obviously that they get to perform out there
at Red Rocks.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
That's got to be like a lifelong, you know, kind of.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Dream probably for for him, for a lot of people,
but you know, obviously in a very accomplished career or
another feather in the cap of Rick Lewis.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Obviously April thirteenth with Low Lonely Boys.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
And there's there's a couple other bands in there too,
because I recognize one of the other names as well.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
There's six total on the bill.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
I'd have to go back and look at his Instagram page,
but yeah, they're number three on the list.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
It's like three bands before them, then.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
The Rick Lewis Project, then Eric Gales, who's one of
the best guitar players in the world, and then Low
s Lonely Boys.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, there's one of the other bands I know garrels Is,
but there's another band in there that I recognized as well.
So it'll be an exciting night and everybody should go
on out and check out the Direculuist Project. Nick, I
want to get into we got a little bit of
time here, probably get more of that here in a
little bit, but I want to get into these free
agent signings that they've made so far. Because the Cooper
Cup thing we've talked about, I was told that that
was not something that was that was happening. I stand
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by that, uh and I continue to stand by that
despite some other reporting that's out there right now. So
I'm gonna pivot to talking about the players that we
did get, and I will talk I will. I will
start with the defensive side of the ball. I love
both those picks. I mean, the one thing that jumped
out of me when the when the Broncos signed the
big three here and that's Ingram and Naga and green Law,
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was Hey, these guys come with injuries, but but it's
the NFL. Everybody's been injured, right, Everybody's been hurt at
some point, right.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Unless you're you're Nick Ferguson the Wolverine, but your eyes
you see this car. The only thing that doesn't come out,
like the pause don't come out. Yeah, but I've never
I wish i'd had like a camera on you. Your
eyes went up and looked at your side eyed like that.
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It was like that meme with the puppet looking side eyed.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I was like, oh, yeah, no, but it's the NFL.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Everybody.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Everybody's gotten hurt at some point and dinged up hurt whatever.
So in my initial thought was, man, we're we're really
bringing in a lot of guys who are just coming
off injury. But at the same time, it's like, you know, okay,
we are, and I have to put that caveat in
there because I you.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Know that that I obviously have to process that.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
But green Law and Huffnaga and especially Huff, who's somebody
you've talked about repeatedly over the last since you've been
doing the show with me, you've been bringing him up.
Both those guys feel like you take a really good
defense and you might have just made it great if
they're you know, if they're healthy all year.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, it is, man, It's almost like adding a nitric outside, right,
so you gas tank right like like it's fast. Yes,
and to me, that's what these two guys actually bring
or will bring to this defense, a defense that was
pretty solid last year, but it was evident that they
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were having some issues on two of those levels. In
the secondary opposite Brandon Jones and at the linebacker position,
I mean, Justice Sernard and Cody Barden filled in amiably right,
so much so that Cody Barton got himself a three year,
twenty one million dollar deal seven per you know, and
that works out well for him, and I'm happy for him,
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but this is a situation where the Broncos desperately needed
to upgrade in those areas than they did.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, were you surprised by the deal that pardon got
a little But you know what, I go back to
into it.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
He played himself into it. Let's give him credit because
that Thursday night game against the New Orleans Saints, that
dude was everywhere right. And when you show up like
and you can consider time. Yeah it's Thursday night, it's
not money, but it's still promtime game where you're the
only game in town. He really showed himself and I'm
sure that that was used as far as the negotiated
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to get him to that dollar point.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
When we come back, we'll get you more into this.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Nick was talking about some archaic viewpoints that are being changed,
probably regarding running backs.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
We'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
All World tight End, Lucas Kroll going to tight End
University to learn something.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Maybe he's going there to be a professor in teach
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
We'll find out about that. Plus n Next Cosmiter up
in the next hour. Broncos Country Night back on k
Wait after this
Coming back off being a little bit under the weather.
There flew a little ammonia and my throats still a
little tore up. So you have to deal with me
with a little bit different sounding voice. I'm told I
sound somewhere in between the smoking ants from the Simpsons
and Berry White, so hoping more of the latter.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Than the former.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
But how you gentlemen doing it? Been a long time
I hadn't seen.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
You doing well. I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Better than you, brother, Yes, well you know, I mean,
my voice really is shredded, so I can't. This is
my home in terms of range of emotion this evening,
but we'll muddel through one way or the other. A
lot of stuff going on, obviously, Broncos made some free
agent moves, some other irons in the fire as far
as that stuff goes. I'm kind of with Dave Logan
that I would be absolutely stunned if the Broncos signed
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Cooper Cup. That would be the antithesis of what they
said they were doing. It would be the opposite of
what they told media people, and it would wreck a
minimum to get him. You're talking about a minimum of
three years, twelve million per probably probably North of that.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Who's to say that the Broncos can't get that done?
And I know what you're saying is though on top
of the fact that I don't want it, But yeah,
I get the fact that you don't want it. You
don't want a lot of things exactly, No, I do
want a lot of things. Yeah, well you do. What's
your voice? To come back to what it got too? Yes, well,
I mean the whole idea of thinking, okay, well, if
the Broncos made the move in that direction for Cooper Cup,
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this would go totally against what they had put out there.
Let it be known. I mean, do you think teams
often tell what they're going to do?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
They normally do the opposite fair, but they also you know,
when you're having a background session with media, you tend
not to lie to them. You tell you say, this
is on background, so you can't report this, but this
is what we're doing so you can understand where it's going.
That doesn't mean teams can't pivot, but it would certainly
create an air of distrust with a coach and media.
If that coach got in front of all I got,
(01:54):
if you got if you lie, looked you in the
eyelight to you, you wouldn't feel it.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Come on, Ben, come on, let's be grown and put
on a grow.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
You don't have to say anything. They go out of
their way to say this. They didn't have to say anything.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
That's right. They never have to say anything. They never
have to tell you the truth. And you're the point.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
They didn't have to specifically talk about that issue. They
made it a point to say we're not doing this.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
So the great part about it is that you can
always turn and pivot with new information. They can't.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
And and again that's that that's the part I'm getting at.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
What I'm what I'm suggesting, though, is just that it
does create he'll have they'll have to address that at
some point behind the scenes, because if if that is
the case, then they would have to address that behind
the scenes.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It's simple. It's just like every parent does with their child.
Tell me, if you heard this before, why do I
got to do this? Because I said so now you
need to know. But I get that.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
But what I'm saying is you've got an entire assembled
media that you you put in a room and you
said we're not doing this, and then you turn around.
If you turn around and do that you got to
address that. I mean a little evil genius.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Well, it's real, it's real.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I still may go back, and I would still be
stunned if they did that. Okay, you might be stun
with I'm with Dave Logan.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I would be. It might stun other people, but after
you have time to sit back as session situation, because
every team goes through free agency with a list of
guys they want to get right, and you don't get all.
You don't all get them right. So it's like, okay,
if you don't get this guy, you turn and pivot.
Think about what the Broncos probably wanted to do day
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one with the middle nside linebacker position. They saw a
lot of guys go back to their original team and
stay with that team, so they had to turn and pivot.
It's the basic two step, right, the two step dance,
Turn and pivot. I hear that. Now.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
The other part of this is and fans just want
every name. You hear a name they wanted. I get
questions about us, check how does he fit here? You know,
you get a question how does Cooper cup even? You
just signed Evan Ingram, So who are you pulling off?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
The who's a heavy slot.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
So who are you pulling off the field to put Cooper.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Cup on the field at that point? Okay, well, let's
really dressed this and dressed it down from a football standpoint.
Looking at the Broncos current wide receiver room, they have
a lot of guys who have talent. They're young, some
guys have shown it. Some guys as oh, we're really
excited about what they can be. Right, he can be
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and is are two separate things. I'm there with you.
We're totally going that now. The only problem I think
people and you correct me. You know David is not Ida,
but you correct me. As far as you're concerned, your
problem is that the money that it that it might
take the asking dollar for Cooper Cup? Is it that
that amount I have several that's one off? Okay, well
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well okay, spit him out.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So well, it's ability. It's a declining ability for four years.
You throw on the tape and seither guy can barely
separate anymore. That doesn't mean he doesn't have great hands,
that isn't a smart football like you guy, and uh,
if you do bring him in, you're really buying and
hoping that he's that dude in the locker room that's
set in the example with the work ethic and the
other things, because he's not the same player that he
was when he set the triple crown. The guys had
seasons in the league. He only has two thousand yard seasons.
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He's very often injured. He's missed eighteen games over the
last three years, and that's not going to get better
at thirty two years old, which is what he what
he will be this season. So you know, I have
a lot of issues with that. I don't want to
overspend on a three year contract on somebody that's you know,
what are you looking at in.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Terms of productivity? What would be?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
What do you what would you expect out of a
Cooper Cup in this offense? Because if he got more
than four hundred yards in this offense, I would you know,
I would be floored, all right.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So I'm going to speak from a position of defense, right,
not defending my point against you, but just the idea
of x's and o's because I hear two things and
I've heard it. I'm hearing it from you, and I've
seen it on social media. The idea of Okay, well
he's always injured, and well you know what, he can't separate.
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You don't need him to do that right now in
this stage of the career. You need a guy to
playing the slot who is excellent as far as moving
the chains on third down. Here's what we know about
the Broncos from last season. Drive starters not that good
third down, not that good, red zone not that good.
So for me, when you get a guy like Cooper Cup,
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albeit he can't separate, We're not asking you to get
outside the numbers, but I can show you tape of
Cooper Cup being outside the numbers and still giving a
guy to business. Right, there's a.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Couple of places where he got open, but he got
left alone on most of them. You go back and
look at the tape from last year.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
He got left alone. It's not his fault, No, it's
his fault.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I'm just saying, like, there are some cases where you
look at something, I'm like, Okay, they just didn't respect
his ability to run anymore, and somebody, somebody just didn't bother.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
That's fine, And you can disrespect the player to your
detriment and get cooked. Yeah, And putting a guy in
the slot like that who was very versatile, to me,
that's viable because we're still talking about the evolution and
the growth of bot Nicks. The reason I look at
Cooper Cup and say, okay, well, so anyone telling me
that he can't separate. I mean, I remember playing against
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Wes Walker and he played for the Miami Dolphins. They
had him outside the numbers and Darren Williams champ Bailey
ate his lunch and then all of a sudden, they go,
let's move him inside. He went to the Patriots and
he did work right. And Kwan Bolden is another guy,
and quald was never fast in the prime of his career.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Well, yeah, neither one of those guys were gonna run
a grade forty, but both those guys were elite quick.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
But once again, this is what we should talk about
instead of saying, okay, well he can't separate alike. That
may be the case, and I'll give you that, but
let's talk about what he can do. So the two
guys I just named, and Kwan Bolden and Wes Walker,
to put those guys in the slot. The slot is
the most difficult position to defend. Like Dakwan McMillan got
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criticized last year because everyone was saying, well, a lot
of passes got caught on him. You put your butt
in that nickel position to see how difficult it ission.
That's right. So now you get a guy who got
excellent in and outside type of breaks. Like he may
not have long speed, but he got short speed quickness,
and to me in the slot, that's valuable for a
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guy like bo who could move. I'll give you this
last visual. Imagine bow Nick's on the move and we've
seen him on the room scramble to to get get yards,
but also on the edge. Right now, you've got a
guy who understands how to get open.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I hear you on that. I just I don't think
he's the same guy. I just don't think he's that
due anymore. In his prime he was absolutely that guy.
But I mean, I mean, you watch him now and
it's just I don't know it felt. I would rather
have Evan Ingram, who's a big slot. I would rather
have him out there with bow On to move throwing.
He's got size, he's got better athleticism. Even even though
both of them are are older, they're over, you know,
thirty or over. It was just old for like you
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not have both well, I mean, like you not have both.
I mean, where are you putting Gooberg. He's not a
z he's certainly not an axe. Where are you putting?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You put him in the slots?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Where are you putting Ingram? You put you run a
dual slot. Ingram is a tight end, but you don't play.
I mean seventy eight percent of his snaps come out
out wide or in the slot.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Okay, think about it this way. See you're taking this
frame of mind. Okay, Well, here's what he can't do.
Can't separate. I'm looking at what's going to give each
defense that you face fits with that.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
You can put the guy anywhere, figure it out. You
can't put me out there. I'm not gonna figure it
out like you can't, like in a VACU. That's the point.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
The larger point here is is you know, as I
look at this, I'm not looking at it like what
they can't do. I get where you come from that.
I'm looking at it from who am I taking off
the field to put this guy on the field?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Right? Am I taking more of him?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Mims off the field, My takeing Ingram off the field,
my ticket sometting off the field, and I take who
am I taking off the field to put this guy
on the field, because at some point I do I
have to do that, right? So does that make me
better if I put him on there in lieu of
whoever that the player is, Does that make me better?
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Does that make me more dangerous? And that's the lens that.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I'm trying to look at it through, is if I
put Cooper Cup out there, does that make me better
than having Evan Ingram out there? And if so, then
why'd I just paying them all the money? Does that
make be better than having Marvin Mims out there? Does
it may be better than having Courtland Sutton out there?
And so those are the questions that I'm asking myself,
is like, Okay, there's a limited number of people that
could be on the field at any given time.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
What is my role?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
What am I using Cooper Cup for? And am I
better with him than I am with Vele or Mimes.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Or Ingram or Sutton or whomever? Uh? Yeah, And here's
the reason why. Because we're talking about precision running, execution,
getting open flashing your numbers, giving a quarterback an option
from a wide receiver standpoint, so you can get memes,
you get your tied end on the field. You can
get Cooper Cup if that is the case, or any
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slot receiver for that matter, you take a running back
off the field. To me, it's a track meet. Why
what do you think that Seawan McVay is trying to
do out there in the West Coast by adding DeVante
Adams trying to create a track team. You're trying to
get people teams to put put your best players against
our best player. Most teams don't have three good dvs.
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They don't have, right, And that's the point.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Well, I mean specifically with Vivey, he's trying to get
you to go too high on the outside so you
can run the ball and to eat you up on
the on the inside. Because you know, for four shell
and two shell are the two Vogue coverages in the
NFL right now, the vic defense, right So yeah, he's
trying to put he's trying to put Pooka and Devanta
Adams on the outside and he's trying to force you
to have to go too high on him. Well, now
I can run the ball on you. Now I can
sit there nickel and dime you out of the slot underneath.
(11:31):
That's what Avey's trying to do.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
But wouldn't you think that if they did bring in
Cooper Cup they would get they would move on from
Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Do you think they would try to keep both?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Well, Okay, let's let's let's go down that road, because
I think that's a valid question.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
They don't play the same position.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
They're both wide receivers, but they don't play the same
position in the same way that Adam Troutman and Interning
ram By both tight ends. But they don't play the
same position, right, So my question there is is if
if that's the case, then you already think that Devon
Vailey is good enough to play the acts correct, So
what are we doing hanging on to Courtland to begin with?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Then? But then that'll fit right into your motif that
you've been you're preaching all last year that Veyley is
that guy. So if he is that guy and he
has that potential, then it makes it that much easier
for the team to go in a different directions, knowing
as though Courtland's coming up on his last season on
his contract. Right, So let's go down this right.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I'm agreeing with both of you on these points, by
the way, but I'm gonna play the Devil's advocate a
little bit, as though you always do. I have been
known they tell me there's something about a blanket and
it's dampness.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I don't know if that is indeed the case.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Then the money situation becomes a wash, because if you
move on from Courtland after June first, you're gonna, say,
fourteen point six against a Cap and Cooper Cup's going
to run you somewhere between twelve and fifteen million per year.
That's what's gonna cost. So in that case, the money
is to wash. If we remove Courtland from that equation.
Is this offense better with Vele, Cup, Angrim and Nims
(13:00):
that it would be with Sutton Vley, Ingram and Memes.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I would like to think so. And here's here's why.
Here's my indicators. Right, let's go back to hold on
to your seat for a second, Grant. Let's go back
to that game against the Bengals. What do we see
from Marvin Mems that we hadn't seen the entire season? Right?
We saw him going vertical, two amazing catches in the
red zone from bow Nicks, and remember bow was on
(13:27):
the run.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Which is why I think he's the starting Z next year.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Okay, So if the Broncos wanted to thinking from that
standpoint and using a little of your logic as it
pertains to the projections of Bela, you put Marvin Mems
in belay, those become your two top receivers, right, you
can put now put Cooper Cup, a veteran guy who
can help lead those two guys. Because he's a veteran guy,
he's he's played this game at a high level, and
(13:53):
he's been to the super Bowl where these two young
guys expect to get. So he would be great inside
that wide receiver room. And oh, by the way, Evan
Ingram can help you out whether he's in the corps
outside of the corp as well. Bengals rush four, next
deep drop.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Now Rolls's right, throws the ball he wants Mems in
the corner of the end zone.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Marvin goes up, makes the catch. That's a different touchsound.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
They are stand here at Paint Course Stadium, a twenty
five yard.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Touchdown pass Nicks to Mems.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I'm first of all, Dave's voice cracking worse than mine is.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Right now, I will say that he.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Would like you know that voice had hadn't hit those
notices high school of just saying I'm glad you there's
a certain words that you just said there, And it's
the one way that you could possibly even sell me
on this Cooper Cup thing, because I disagree on the
other I think you've got a declining receiver in declining production.
I think you've already got veteran leadership in there, and Sutton,
if you're got to do that, I like the one
(14:55):
thing that you said right to this stood out. He's
been to the Super Bowl? Who do you have on
the office the side of the ball it's been to
the super Bowl before? On the defense, you got guys.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
In fact, you just.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Brought in more guys. You got guys at every level
on that defense that have been to the Super Bowl before.
On the offensive side of the ball, who do the
Broncos have that have been to the Promised Land before?
And the answered that is nobody. I mean McGlinchey, but
the answer to that is nobody. You don't have. That's
the one way that you could sell me on this
(15:26):
with the with the Cooper Cup thing, I'm not paying
twelve million dollars a year for that.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
No one said that they had to. I see a
possibility and it may not work out the way that
I'm envisioning, but in my mind there's a possibility. Why
you say, okay, well, the money that he's looking for,
he doesn't get it, but there's still an opportunity to
get him to that amount that he needs to. You
throw some insensives in there. Play you know, playoff bonuses.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Contract last year has production bonuses.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So if you are betting on yourself and you're saying
you're Cooper Cup and you want fifteen and saying like, na,
we'll give you nine, and we'll give you some escalating
numbers to get you to that point.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
If you think you that good, right, then you know
on yourself yourself.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
But also been to your point about him with the
Super Bowl experience. I was talking to Nick about this
last night, and I don't know if it was off
air on air, but the stories of him in the
in the film room with Matt Stafford and learning how
to see the game through the eyes of a quarterback.
I mean, think how much of that would benefit bo
in his second year in his development as a quack.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Well, you would hope that that would be the case,
and you would hope that it would I I'm not
knocking or just waiting that. I just think that Cooper,
cause you're paying for a name and the production that
the legend behind that name are about four years past
their expiration date.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
How many times do we see that happen in the NFL. Well,
we have a guy who's considered to be a great
locker room guy. Why he's on the down side of
his career, there's still a couple of things that he
can do. And once again I go back to and
Kwan Boulden, right what he was able to do when
he was with either Baltimore or San Francisco. Right, you
(17:01):
know that you Buffalo or Buffalo. You know that you're
reading this guy for a short period of time, but
you know there's some other intangibles he brings to the
table that would take the team to the next level. Well,
you hope they take this to mean that that's what
I'm thinking about. That's how I look at the situation.
I'm not from that standpoint. I guess I'm not opposed.
I just think that there are other ways to do it.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
And honestly, there are other veteran wide receivers if they
were going to make a move and totally go against
what they said, Uh, and do that there are other
wider I mean, like why not take a shot at
a Mariy Cooper who still got some juice in the tank.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Maybe because they don't feel as they as they're aligning
these veteran wide receivers like I know that they are.
They're having these conversations back and forth just like you
and I and granted have it right. But now I said, okay,
but which one of these guys we feel will fit
our locker room because it's not just about the production,
not just about the about the money, it's about the building.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
The culture well that too, It's just the whole reason
I don't want digs here either.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yes, so to me, Cooper Cup is that type of guy.
Whether they get the deal done or not, I don't know.
But if his number comes down and and they put
an incentives in this contract where you can get get
to where you need to with escalator, to me.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
It's a win win. We can get to more of
that later.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Plus, I've been mostly excited with every move they've made
as far. There's one I didn't like and one I
extremely loved, And we'll get a chance to get into that.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
But we come back. We're gonna say what the funk
with our guy, Rick Lewis, the colorass the Never Broncus.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Just to Broncos Country Night. You're on K Way. That's
a different sound.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Bring out our guy, Rick Lewis, Rick, How you doing, buddy?
Speaker 6 (18:34):
What the funk that I had to take a double.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Take on my voice?
Speaker 6 (18:38):
Is this Benjamin Albright or Benjamin all right?
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Well it's Benjamin Barry White tonight.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
You sound like you could be a phone sex operator
right now. Maybe have an only fans page. Man, you've
got to take advantage of this voice while you got it.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, that's what I Uh, we're changing my name legally
to Benjamin Barry White and uh.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
And going with that for for for the eve.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, as long as I got this move out of here,
Like I was talking to Grant, I was like, well,
maybe I could take over over overnights on KBCO. You know,
we'll unveil a new R and B segment will be
the Quiet Stone with Benjamin o'bright, you know, And I just.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Get that voice going.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Man, But oh, you you're a voice here, the color
analyst of the Denver Broncos. A lot of stuff going
on out there, rumors about the Broncos, But what have
you thought about the actual things that they've done on
free agency so far?
Speaker 6 (19:27):
I think they had a fantastic week. Broncos got some dogs,
no doubt about it, green Law thing, Ingram and these
guys filled three holes in that roster that they were
really hoping to do here in the off season. I
think the only piece left for them is the running
(19:49):
back room. And we still have the draft coming up.
You know, the question is will they take their twentieth
pick and use it on oh Maryon Hampton he'll probably
be there, or will they wait and see maybe they
can get him in the second round. Maybe they got
their eye on a guy in the third round. But
I think things couldn't have been better for the Broncos
(20:11):
in this offseason. A Broncos country, you should be excited.
It kind of feels to me like, and you tell
me if I'm wrong, But the way they handled it
this week, it feels like they might think their windows
open like right now, like they can compete this year.
What do you guys think about that?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Well, I'm right there with you. Based on the moves
that they've made on both sides of the ball, that
tells me that they think that they're right in that window.
And the reason they feel that way is based on
the progression and master mistrm process of one vow Nix. Now,
had you asked me that at the very beginning of
the season, I would have looked at you a little sideways, like,
(20:49):
I don't know, But based on where he and how
he is developed, I'm like, yeah, the Broncos feel as
though they're in the window. But here's the other thing.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Rick.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Looking at the AFC as a hole, not just the
AFC West, but the conference as a whole, there is
an opportunity. Well, you look at the South, I mean,
you look at the North, you look at the East.
A lot of those teams are not hitting on all
cylinders based on personnel. This could be an opportunity for
the Broncos. And oh, by the way, right come twenty
(21:22):
twenty six, the Broncos is gonna have more money to spend.
So yes, I'm like pushing chips at the center of
the table. What do you got to lose?
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Yeah, but it's unbelievable how fast they really rebounded and
rebuilt after Russell Wilson. I don't think anybody saw this coming.
And kudos to both George Peyton and Sean Payton. Just
a tremendous job of working with the money they had
last year, the season they had last year, going to
(21:50):
the playoffs, and it does feel like Nick, like this
is their window this year. And when you look at
the quality of players they got, I think that they
think they can compete, compete, certainly for the AFC West
this year.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Now, now, I heard you in what you were saying
in your reply. You mentioned great by Jeorge Payning, great
by Sean Payne, all kudos to those guys. But I
did hear you mentioned one guy and that was Vance Joseph.
Was there a reason as to why, because I don't
want to think of it in a different way, but
I'm want to give you an opportunity to respond.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Uh, Well, I was. I was basically referencing the off season,
and of course Dvance Joseph would have some input in
these guys that they got. I thought Vance did a
great job last year. When you look at the roster
on the defensive side of the ball, I think they overachieved.
You know, in general, I think that team overachieved last year.
(22:44):
I'm glad Vance is back this year. They're going to
be even better this year with the two guys they
got and then signing DJ Jones to plug up that middle.
They basically the guys that they picked, they slet the
middle of that defense, you know, and all three levels.
So I think they should be better this year. And
(23:07):
they were pretty damn good last year. So yeah, kudos
the VJ too.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Talking with Rick Lewis, color analyst of the Denver broncause
I loved the defensive signings, but you know what I
really love is the signing of Trent Shrfield. And I
know most people are like, okay, whatever, he's the replacement
for Traymont Smith and maybe a little bit little Jordan Humphrey.
But if you can watch the tape on this guy,
this dude is a nasty blocker for a wide receiver.
I've got some clips to him picking up an edge
(23:33):
rusher and just pushing him out of the way on
a stretch run play, and it's just fascinating to watch.
I talked to some people who are former teammates here.
They called him a glue guy, great guy in the
locker room, all this great stuff. Are we are we
not hyping up the Trent Sherfield signing enough.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
Well, of course you're a student of the game, you
and Nick both, so you look at guys a lot
different than the average fan does. In the average fan
when they him, it was a big yawn, like, okay,
so what And you're right, he's basically going to replace
Tremont Smith. But I think there's some other things he
(24:10):
can do that Tree meant you can't do. You know,
you mentioned him as a blocker. You know he can
catch some passes for you too, and play great special teams.
So no, another great signing. I think when you look
at the this week a free agency, Broncos get an A.
You know, I haven't seen anybody great the teams yet
(24:31):
for the week, but I would think everybody would look
at the Broncos and go, they got an A, A
or A plus eason a great week for Broncos country.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Oh when we look at the running back position, because
for me, I feel as though the Broncos still need
a veteran guy to go out there who can actually
leave the room and just kind of show these guys
how to get it done. Is there a particular back
with a skill set? Right? You don't have to give
me the name of the bank. But there is there
a particular skill set that you will like the Broncos
(25:01):
to look for in the bat to bring in here
to take the pressure off a bow.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Well, you'd love to have a three down back. That's
one thing they don't have. You know, it's been running
back by committee. They've got the speedback to change of
pace guy in McLoughlin. They've got the power back in estimate.
But I think it'd be great if they could get
a three down back. And you're right, I wouldn't be surprised, Nick,
(25:27):
if they go out and get a veteran running back, Well,
he'd be, you know, their key guy in the room.
Maybe not. I think they may be looking at that
in the draft. There's certainly a lot of great choices
coming up in the draft. It's a great year to
be needing a running back for the Broncos, So a
lot of choices out there coming out of college. But
I do think they will add a veteran of some
(25:50):
sort just to kind of stabilize and solidify that room
and a guy who can be a leader in the
room with the young running backs.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
I got to ask you about some of the biggest
news I've seen recently. I've seen you play all across
Colorado with the Rick Lewis Project. But you've got a
show coming up at the greatest venue on earth, Red Rocks.
Tell us a little bit.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
About that, man, Man, I'll.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
Tell you what. We climbed them out, man. Yeah. Red
Rocks is the pre mir up to our concert venue
probably in the world. I haven't played during a long time.
My previous band played there four or five six times,
but it's been since two thousand and eight, and with
this band, Rick Lewis Project, we haven't played there yet.
And this thing came together really really fast. I got
(26:40):
a call on Friday like, Hey, we might want to
add you to this lineup. Don't get your hopes up
for anything, but we're thinking about maybe putting you on
the bill. And I kind of brushed it off, like yeah, okay, whatever,
probably not going to happen. Then I got a call
this Monday like, hey, you're on. We're putting you on
the bill. And I have been stoked. I've been so stoked, man,
(27:02):
I seriously, this is no joke. I haven't had a
good night's sleep since Monday.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
So excited, man, And all the things you know, you
got to do, you know, to get ready for a
show like this. There's a lot of moving parts to
do this and contract to sign and all the other stuff. Man,
it couldn't be a bigger honor than playing at Red Rocks.
We're playing with lost Lonely Boys Eric Glees, who, by
(27:29):
the way, is the baddest guitar player on the planet.
Joe Bonamasa says, Eric Gailes is the greatest guitar player
in the world. So that ought to tell you something
right there. And then we're right behind him. We're the
third band in the lineup. It's April thirteenth at Red Rocks.
Tickets on sale right now. And thanks for bringing that up, man,
(27:49):
It's just been quite the week for me and the band. Man,
we are thrilled.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Well, I'm looking forward to get out there and seeing you.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Obviously, I was going to plan on seeing it at
our Parker, and then I got the flu in pneumonia
was unable to do that. But as I'm recovering now,
I am planning on seeing you out there Red Rocks
and being out there to sports you.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Brother.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Well, I hope you keep that voice though, because you're
not Benjamin alright, you're.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Benjamin all right, that is uh, that is Rick Lewis
Cora Hills in the Denver Bronco and nickname Officionado.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
And look forward to see your name of Rick Luis
Project out there at Red Rocks.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Appreciate your brother, all right, Love you guys.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I always love talking to Rick and happy for Rick
Lewis Project obviously that they get to perform out there
at Red Rocks.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
That's got to be like a lifelong, you know, kind of.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Dream probably for for him, for a lot of people,
but you know, obviously in a very accomplished career or
another feather in the cap of Rick Lewis.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Obviously April thirteenth with Low Lonely Boys.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
And there's there's a couple other bands in there too,
because I recognize one of the other names as well.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
There's six total on the bill.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
I'd have to go back and look at his Instagram page,
but yeah, they're number three on the list.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
It's like three bands before them, then.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
The Rick Lewis Project, then Eric Gales, who's one of
the best guitar players in the world, and then Low
s Lonely Boys.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, there's one of the other bands I know garrels Is,
but there's another band in there that I recognized as well.
So it'll be an exciting night and everybody should go
on out and check out the Direculuist Project. Nick, I
want to get into we got a little bit of
time here, probably get more of that here in a
little bit, but I want to get into these free
agent signings that they've made so far. Because the Cooper
Cup thing we've talked about, I was told that that
was not something that was that was happening. I stand
(29:20):
by that, uh and I continue to stand by that
despite some other reporting that's out there right now. So
I'm gonna pivot to talking about the players that we
did get, and I will talk I will. I will
start with the defensive side of the ball. I love
both those picks. I mean, the one thing that jumped
out of me when the when the Broncos signed the
big three here and that's Ingram and Naga and green Law,
(29:40):
was Hey, these guys come with injuries, but but it's
the NFL. Everybody's been injured, right, Everybody's been hurt at
some point, right.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Unless you're you're Nick Ferguson the Wolverine, but your eyes
you see this car. The only thing that doesn't come out,
like the pause don't come out. Yeah, but I've never
I wish i'd had like a camera on you. Your
eyes went up and looked at your side eyed like that.
(30:06):
It was like that meme with the puppet looking side eyed.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I was like, oh, yeah, no, but it's the NFL.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Everybody.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Everybody's gotten hurt at some point and dinged up hurt whatever.
So in my initial thought was, man, we're we're really
bringing in a lot of guys who are just coming
off injury. But at the same time, it's like, you know, okay,
we are, and I have to put that caveat in
there because I you.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Know that that I obviously have to process that.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
But green Law and Huffnaga and especially Huff, who's somebody
you've talked about repeatedly over the last since you've been
doing the show with me, you've been bringing him up.
Both those guys feel like you take a really good
defense and you might have just made it great if
they're you know, if they're healthy all year.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, it is, man, It's almost like adding a nitric outside, right,
so you gas tank right like like it's fast. Yes,
and to me, that's what these two guys actually bring
or will bring to this defense, a defense that was
pretty solid last year, but it was evident that they
(31:09):
were having some issues on two of those levels. In
the secondary opposite Brandon Jones and at the linebacker position,
I mean, Justice Sernard and Cody Barden filled in amiably right,
so much so that Cody Barton got himself a three year,
twenty one million dollar deal seven per you know, and
that works out well for him, and I'm happy for him,
(31:30):
but this is a situation where the Broncos desperately needed
to upgrade in those areas than they did.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, were you surprised by the deal that pardon got
a little But you know what, I go back to
into it.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
He played himself into it. Let's give him credit because
that Thursday night game against the New Orleans Saints, that
dude was everywhere right. And when you show up like
and you can consider time. Yeah it's Thursday night, it's
not money, but it's still promtime game where you're the
only game in town. He really showed himself and I'm
sure that that was used as far as the negotiated
(32:08):
to get him to that dollar point.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
When we come back, we'll get you more into this.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Nick was talking about some archaic viewpoints that are being changed,
probably regarding running backs.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
We'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
All World tight End, Lucas Kroll going to tight End
University to learn something.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Maybe he's going there to be a professor in teach
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
We'll find out about that. Plus n Next Cosmiter up
in the next hour. Broncos Country Night back on k
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