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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My voice is still kind of wonky, So you guys
are gonna have to put up with me be a
little bit wonkyer.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
But it's getting better by the day. We're getting there.
Can you can you define wonky.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Because I'm prone to give out at any time? Prone
to give up? Is that in the Western dictionary? Yes, yes,
it is wonky? What y Benjamin Albright or Benjamin all right?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yes, I have to admit it's uh, it's a lot
better than it was last week.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
But but I have to have gone from Barry White
to Barry Manilow.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
So but can I can I say this? Can I
be totally transparent? I'm here for it. Yes, if it's
jokes even better, well, Grant tell me this. I like
Ben's voice, but I like the Oh the Ben's voice.
You want the nerd voice back? You want my like
nerdy white arcle voice back?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
No, no, no, I'm someone who sounds nerdy and white. Yeah,
I'd say we want the chain smoking Benjamin.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
All I agree with the Rick Lewis. Oh wait, you
went to yeah that guy?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Why? Yeah, I'm okay, I mean all right, I wish
I could do that all the time, smoking for.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
The voice I used to joke. I used to joke
about that when.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Uh so, after I got out of you know, the
army and all that kind of stuff, right before I
found my own company.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
It did six months like government contracting.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
And I used to say that I was going to
take up smoking for the breaks, just because like how
often all those guys they would take part.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Seriously, these guys would take like twenty breaks every hour.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I'm gonna start taking up smoking just breaks.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
And Japan they give people who don't smoke extra vacation
days to make up for all the time that people
use during smoke breaks on that.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
You know, because of Japan. Smoking is huge over there.
That's a real thing.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
They give them extra days of vacation because it doesn't
work out.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You don't smoke the first thing ever doesn't work out.
I know where I'm headed, you know what.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I like that that that's kind of creating or encouraging
a healthier environment, right.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I'm all for this is incentive. I think those of
us that don't smoke, it sound like we do. And uh,
it's coming right board. Nobody laugh, man, I'm start calling
so far nobody, I know nobody wants to hear. So
I'll start coughing. I already have to. I have to
take this stuff right now that.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Numbs my my throat or whatever to keep me from coughing.
Because I was coughing so much. It was like there
was numb your throats. Yeah, I have to take this stuff.
They give me this stuff, this prescription to like number
my throat to keep me from coughing.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
See. See, he just needs a gurgle with some robo testing.
Yeahs St. Patrick's dad. Yeah, I do. I tried.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Wait, wait, wait a minute, I said, robo testing.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
You go just totally to the left. Gurgle was miss
hay you.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I mean, if you're JaMarcus Russell, you do both at
the same time. It's right along going and we're off
and run in on Rocco's country.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
You're like.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Grand talking about me. I may or may not have
sipped on some scissor. Okay, okay, your brother worked on that.
That was a bang.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I tell you what, Grant, every single day, there's something
about you that I.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Love dropping three sixes.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I mean, you're not getting that from any other producers.
I'm just saying this market, especially enough producers, looks like that.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Your hampster white guys type zero and sex line. This
week's already off and running. Yes, oh it's and it's
we got tons of stuff to get to tonight. By
the way, romy Bean's gonna join us thirty five to
stick around for that.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
We got Coach Prime putting out that he wants to
play a spring game against another team.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Okay, I love I love everything about that concept you saw.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Fran Brown replied, right, yeah, Coach Syracuse like the bat's
make it happen.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
And I don't know if you guys know for those
and uh here in the different market you don't know
about fran Brown and Syracuse.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Definitely go look him up. He has a lot of energy.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
He's like a smaller version of Coach Prime without the
Hall of Fame and all of that. But he knows
how to motivate his players, and I would love to
see that take place.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Now. I would say this, the game itself not.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So much treated like a true joint practice, like a scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, let the.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Joint practice be the scrimmage, because that's where you get
the most competition from your player, because it's edgier.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
That's what you don't think they would like keep most
of the starters out play the backups and get them
in the game situation.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
They no get everybody in there like a preseason in
the NFL. Well, and this is what I don't like
the preseason.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I'm starting to not like the preseason and love the
joint practices more. Once upon a time, I was the
total opposite.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I'm with you. I came around.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I came around because when you add joint practices, it
gives coaches more control of situation of football things that
happened in the preseason, but it's not as intense as
a joint practice.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
The thing that ruins preseason really is the fact that
you usually have a backup offensive line in there, and
it makes it impossible to really do anything to and
get and then you can't really get a gain. It's
like you're talking about you could control a scrimmage. Hey,
here's what we're gonna do. I want to see this,
I want to see this against this. We want to
kind of see this. What do you want to see?
All right, we'll do some of that back and forth
and you get to kind of see. Okay, all right,
I see how this works in a game situation. Now
(05:25):
we can apply this and go forward. When you're watching
preseason games, but especially by the time you get to this,
you know close to half you.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Got guys on the offensive line that are.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Never gonna play it down in the league trying to
protect another guy back there.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
It's probably not ever gonna play it down in the
league unless it's by.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Accident, yes, And and it's just it's you know, it's
goofy football, you know, anything, any weird thing that can happen,
and we get some fun plays out all that, but
the reality.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Is it's not good football and you don't get much
from it.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
But for me, it's always you want to make it competitive,
not combative.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Right, But but in those.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Joint practices and what coach Prime is suggesting, it's going
to be constantly competitive. And we get a chance to
watch the team do seven on seven, right, and then
you could do one on ones, and I have my
way I feel about one on ones, but you can
really get some competitive football in that you really wouldn't
get in that scrimmage. And I know why promise saying, well,
(06:18):
practicing against your own guys, you've done that for so long.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, right, Like I want first faces to smack a
round and you stop playing technique like you're supposed to,
and you start playing the man because you.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Recognize a guy from what he does.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
You've you've seen it, and you just play that guy
because you know what he does and can't can't do,
and can't do. And you start playing that guy instead
of playing the technique.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
You're supposed to, and it makes it really difficult from
a coaching standpoint to truly evaluate that because you've gone
against this guy for almost fifteen days right right now,
you start, if you're a smart player, you start to
figure out, I know what he.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Does, I'm gonna play that. I'm gonna play what he
does and not what I'm supposed to be doing exactly.
But this is a way for me, and this is a.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Way for college football because the spring game, or that
first game of the season, or better yet, the first
three games of the regular season in college football, that's
their spring.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah, that's kind of like the.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Preseason college footballccounts. You lose a game, you're you're out
of it unless you know, unless you lose one, especially
if you're you know, not an SEC team or whatever, right,
you know, you lose a game early and then.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Knowing as though coach prom got two new quarterbacks. It
gives you a chance to measure those guys and not
against your own players, but against someone else.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And in a game situation that's sort of, you know,
sort of ratchet up a little more than practice.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, and I would rather losing the preseason or the
scrimmage I'm calling the preseason, but losing this joint practice
against another team.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Lose, But then you go to Week one. You ready
to go?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
You got to We'll get more into that here and
just a little bit. It's a great weekend for our
buddy Grant Smith over there as the Cincinnati Bengals locked
up Bulch of marshas Anti Higgins on the one, I'm
toured on this because on the one hand, I don't
think you're gonna find a Bengals fan that's gonna playing.
If they kept the core of their offense together, it'll
be fun and they'll they'll definitely score points, and they're
going to be the highest scoring nine loss team in
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the NFL because they anything else.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Come on, Greg, you're gonna sit here. Take that great.
How many games do they lose? What's the over runner
on games they lose by score?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
When they score thirty points or more, I'm just gonna
say it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
The most high flying losing team you've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Well, at least it'll be exciting.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
It Well, thank you, they were exciting last year. They
were the most exciting team that did not make the
playoffs last year that did not make the playoffs a right,
And it was so disappointing because I was rooting for them,
knowing as though the worst part of their team was
their defense. Mm hmm, and will be their defense this
year unless there's a way, Grant, I don't know if
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the Brown family could play it off, but there is
a way. They have to do a great job in
their front office staff and evaluating young talent coming out
of the draft.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Well, thank goodness, they only have the smallest scouting staff
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I tried, Grant, I try.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I do think, though I told Ben this before the show,
I think every single one of their draft picks needs
to be on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Absolutely, you find three starters out of it.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You know what, based on how deep this pool is,
watching some of these guys run and perform at the combine,
which you and Ryan were there to me, you're going
to be able to find talent.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Now, this tells me that once upon a time the.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Ownership for the Bengals thought one way, because what they're
doing now they didn't do when I was there. They
didn't do when Carson Palmer was there because they were
concerned with more of the financial side than winning football game.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Right, that's where they let They had Palmer and Ocho
Sinko and Hushman Zada, and they want to busting all
that up.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yes, So I look at this as the Cincinnati Bengals
turning over a new leaf, because they were known as
the cheapest team in the NFL, deciding, you.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Know what, we're going to do something we've never done.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Before in all our existence. We're gonna listen to our
freaking quarterback still.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
At the leading sack person in the NFL last year ago.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Well you're still there, Hendricks is gonna be probably gonna
be gone.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
They're saying this whole that they could work it out
and have your cap up at.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Four guys, then I will believe that they've changed their ways.
We's right, they're not gonna be able to sign anybody else.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Okay, this begs the question, then what would you.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Do and toss it out to you guys and the listeners,
what would you be willing to do for the level
of success on the field, What sacrifices which will define success?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Because I mean, for me, this is a team that
came close to winning the Super Bowl just a couple
of years ago. They could have blocked Aaron Donald. Yeah,
Easier said, the one thing you needed to do was
have your offensive line show up given like no investment.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
But even though you said that, great, guess what they
were there. They beat Kansas City at the having Kansas
City on the ropes two years in the row.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
They were right there.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
So they're saying, Okay, well they got there with their
offense somewhat of a makeshift this defense, but they still
got there. So the philosophy for the Bengals is going
to be similar to what we see here for the
Denver Nuggets. Their offense is going to be their defense.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That's what it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I mean, it's gonna have to be because their defense
is not a defense. It's pretty bad. I don't know,
if you've seen this roster, how many of these guys
do you know? Joseph Asi, bj Hill, Chris Jenkins Junior
and then Trey Hendrickson are the starting defensive line. The linebackers,
they still have Pratt there, although technically he's not probably
gonna be there. Logan Wilson, and the corners are DJ Turner,
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Dax Hill and Cam Taylor Britt and your safety to
day is going to take on an entirely different meeting
when it comes to this and the safetyes you got
Jordan Battle and Gino Stone. It looks like he's got
Stone Stratto's feet.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
That we can defend.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Well, I mean, it's god there's no letter D in Cincinnati,
because there certainly is a one.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
On the field.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Well, listen, the Bengals have five picks, I'm excuse me,
six picks. They have to, like Grant said, now that
they solidified what they need on the office because Burrow's back,
you got t Higgins, Chase the seci is back, Chase
Brown is still there. Now you need to go in
the draft and use those picks to get better on
(12:27):
the defensive side of the ball linebacker ed Rusher, but
then pick some offensive lineman and then at that point
you could say, you know what, all these guys are
on rooky deals. We're gonna ride with these guys on
rooky dials and we're going to get the most out
of them, getting more juice for the squeeze if you will.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Well, I ain't need some more juice.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
On the interior line, they got Orlando Brown and Amarius
Men's at the tackles and that you know, I mean,
that's an investment. But Cordell, Cordell, Vohlsen, Ted Carris and
Cody Ford on the inside of the line is begging
to get your giant investments in quarterback.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
You know, it'd be a problem, especially when you need
a division. I mean, look at the vision you're in.
I get it.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
But but I'm gonna lean on this. Well, I'm gonna
lean on this. Look how brilliant Joe Burrow was under duress.
He was throwing passes like a Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Falling to the ground, finding guys in the end zone.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
If that's what you're counting on, If you're counting on
your quarterback throwing tds while you're falling to the ground,
that's that hope.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Is not a strategy. Hey what Joe Burrow? It is
in that quarter.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And that's the idea. That's what Cincinnati is saying. Well,
it's not an ideal strategy. But it's the strategy that
they're going to employ because most teams won't do this,
they won't try to keep the band together. And knowing
as though you had Joe Burrow the quarterback who was
instrumental and so on, going to the organization saying, you
know what, we got to keep the Blues Brothers together.
(13:55):
I'm just like, for me, the way I look at that,
I'm I'm in this. I can't believe I'm saying this.
I'm of the Sean Payton school of thought. What in
that we don't pay our record that I but from
a from an organizational standpoint, I would not be paying receivers.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
If I've got the quarterback, he's making the receivers. I'm
putting the money somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
No, Ben, I don't agree with that, because there's an
idea that one in the in the league that the
quarterback is the end all be.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
All for every situation.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
If you don't have adequate guys to throw to, I
don't care who you are.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Peyton Manning made it work with guys like Blair White
Solid who was.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
On the team though that Clark, yes, because guess what
Peyton was in a mobile quarterback, so he had to
be well adapted getting the ball out of his hands quickly.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Joe Barrow can move in the pocket.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
He moves a lot better than Peyton Manning did.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Underrated athlete.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yes, so so it opens up so many different things
that then the offensive loan look at the weapons that
they had. You watched that game when the Broncos played
the Cincinnati Bengals, how they were trading blows like it
was a heavyweight fight.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
And at the end of the day, who won. I'm
just saying, at the end of the day, who won?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Who?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
You they didn't meet the playoffs, That's not what we're
talking about, being my question was who won the game?
Won one game? That game in question game? Broncos had
a great defense, right did they not top three?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
And their defense was injured at that point, you were
missing guys in the secondary.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
You're really starting to sound like Sean Payton, and I
guess it takes some off benefits at.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Great quarterbacks. But great quarterbacks elevate the guys around they do.
They just do.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
That's why you see Josh Allen, you know, being competitive
every year with a bunch of nobodies around, and Pat
Maholes just won a Super Bowl, A bunch of nobodies
and the ghost of Travis Kelcey out there.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I say, I love how you call them nobody's but
it's how you.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Justin Ross sky Moore.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
But and in regardless to t Higgins signing there and
Muddy get like twenty five, twenty and a half, he
probably is thinking the same thing, like if I'm not
with Joe Burrow, if I'm playing with Skyler, Thomas, Mason Rudolph, it's.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Not gonna have these numbers exactly. On the other side, No, no.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
It was not about he got the you're admitting that
the quarterback makes the receiver a great hundred percent, Okay,
especially when it comes to Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
I think it is they work in concert with one another, right,
they work in constant So so Joe Joe Montana, right,
who won four Super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I believe.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
So it had nothing to do with you know, Roger Craig,
Jerry Rice.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I'm just saying they had a great team.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
But if receivers were able to make great quarterbacks, and
the Arizona Cardinals would have had any one of those
guys that were after he came after Kurt Warner being
great because he was throwing a kwan Bolden and Larry Fitzgerald.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
But those.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Wait, wait, let's not undermine those players.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Those players made plays.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Right, you gotta have someone to throw it too, Like
the Bengals realize just what takeing T.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Higgins realized.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
If I go to somewhere else, my numbers may not
be the same. You could bring someone else in. But
now you got Jamar Chase, but no one across from
him to draw to draw that defense, so it makes
it easier to guard him. So to me, they go hand,
they go hand in hand.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
You just keep going to the other guy.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
If they're going through a triple him up, Well, I'm
gonna make this.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Other guy start. It's right foot and left foot. They
go hand in hand. I got three right feet. Whatever
that means, you're going into certay.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Like my philosophically, for me, there's so many great receivers
coming up in the draft every year. You know, I
just I can't see you say great, So many good
receivers coming up in the draft every year that could
be great that that I'm not paying receivers. Man, I
might pay one guy, but I'm just not paying receivers
that's the one thing Sean Payton and I don't lockstep on.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Look, man, tell me how that worked out, Hans and
skipping through a field of days.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
No, you can only do that when you have certain
things in place, all the talented pieces around you.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
You got the right offensive line. You could afford to
pay the offensive line because you're not paying that.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Receiver, if that's that's right.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
And the whole thing was sharn Peyton and new Wall
and said, yess what we got Drew Brees gonna put
all our money into our office of line. You know
why because our quarterback can't freaking move.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Well.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
See he's not gonna wait a forty competition against Lamar
Jackson or anything.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
But today's NFL is all about the quarterback being able
to manipulate the pocket and being able.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
To freaking move.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
But Brees could move a little bit. No, he was
a station never toad. And it was not Kurt Warner
out there, I mean Drew, so well, we gotta up break.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
We'll be back after this.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Talked a little bit about those Bengals eating up the
cap space there. Actually it actually lowers their number this year.
They're not gonna be in trouble this year. It's like
a year or two down the road where it really
starts to get dicey. So they gotta they gotta hope
that the draft picks over the next couple of years
really pad out.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
That's when they'll trade T Higgins. Yeah, and then the
Yoshivic over there or whatever. Hey, he's a decent player.
He's all right. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna knock.
He's all right, he's all right.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
We're looking down the Bills, the Bills roster and ke
Ja Handler and Jalen Virgil or top six receivers for.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
It's not hating, man, I hate that. Just what it
sounds like you're doing. I hate no, just saying like,
look what they're getting by on.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
What listen, man, you just were saying before how great
the quarterback is and how he makes everyone better around him.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
That was my point. See how the Bills are doing it.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
No, Look, it's you got a work in concert with
one another, and it's about knowing.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
And I said this during the break, and I surely
believe this.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
When you think about the number of mobile quarterbacks in
the league, you can cut corners. When it comes to receivers,
think about the Baltimore Ravens and Lamar Jackson. Lamar hasn't
really had great wide receivers. His wide receivers have been
like Isaiah Likely and Andrews Mark Andrews, right, So knowing
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how to use those guys in, Todd munk In for
the most part, has found creative ways to get those
guys involved. That part is important because everyone thinks that, well,
because your quarterback may have a strong arm, you got
to constantly try to take the top off the defense.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
No, you don't. You just need to make the defense
pay homage to that, pay respect to this because.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
You're taking one to two shots down the field a game. Now,
it's about the short and intermediate game. Yeah, that's where
you live.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Eight of the game is played within seventy yards of
the line of scrimmage. That's right. So having a strong
arm is fun for the four players you throw it
down there. But I mean other than that, you just
have to have time and anticipation and accuracy.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yeah, that's the that's the biggest portions to that. As
we look at some of the some of the Broncos ads.
Of course they were not in on Cooper Cup, they
were not in on Deebo Samuel. Despite some of the
reporting that you saw out there, they didn't even make
it offer to either one.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
That was never a thing.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Juwan Johnson said the Broncos did pursue him, but he
ultimately wound up going back to New Orleans. Now, when
this was going on, in a converse I had over there,
which they kind of had a plan to get both
of them, Juwan Johnson and e An Ingram.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
The idea was to was to get both of them.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
And Johnson would have been the inline guy and Ingram
would have been like the move tight end. And you know,
then you really kind of had something going with john
Both those guys wanted to be the man. They want
to be paid for being the man. Johnson goes back
to New Orleans, the Broncos up their offer, bring him
and Ingram in, and there we go.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Would you have been okay if they'd signed both of them?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Would you would you like that if they kind of
went a little bit heavier and signed both those guys.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, last week we were talking about this, and if
I'm not mistaken, I think both you and Grant were like, no,
that doesn't make sense. Why would they go get another
tight end?
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I was for it. I was pro you're pro for
that was when.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I when I said that the Broncos should get another
tight end in the draft, you didn't seem the you're.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Gonna get another tight end the draft. I don't think
they'll do it a twenty, but they're still gonna get one.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
No, Okay, I'm all for the Broncos getting another tight.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
End, whether was Ron James or they get.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
One of these guys in the draft, because clearly, right
now the Broncos tight ends were not what the team
won or what Sean Payton wanted or.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
He would find ways to get them more involved.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
And when you're able to have tight ends one like
usually when we think about tight ends, begga for a second.
Usually it's a guy you can flex open right who
is considered like a wide receiver like Evan Ingram is considered.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
It's either a half for a y right, you know,
in line right and then you know kind of a round.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
But if you have two guys that are decent inline
blockers just to get in the way, but they're great
pass catching dudes, man, it opens up your offense so much.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Well, I agree with you, and I would love to
see them get into more twelve personnel like that, two
tight end sets and then you can move people around.
Then you really create mismatch nightmares. But the last team
to resially do that was New England back with the
had Gronk and Aaron Hernandez. But it worked, though murdered
the competition exactly.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
It work. Yeah, it was a very.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Effective utilization of the athletic tilet of the tight ends.
Yet it was yes, it was no one saw that
saw that, but yeah, but being able to be able
to exploit the defense in that many ways.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
This is why I think when I look at I
look at the Kansas.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
City Chiefs offense, they have so much movement. That movement
moves defensive players in the place where you can exploit them.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
And that's the point.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yes, that pre snap motion create First of all, it
creates hesitation or indecision to defenders. You can move the
formation and shift the formation into a way where you're
you're moving the defenders.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Where you want them. You're creating space before you snap
the ball and create a pick.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Right, And we didn't see we didn't see that, correct
me from wrong.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I didn't see that.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
A lot of the Broncos offense over the past two years,
and it was just kind of like, Okay, you get
into formation is a condensed formation.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
There may be a little.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Motion, cornfield motion, and that's it, but not enough to
move defenders in the plays that allow the linemen to
get up.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
And block them right. And I think that's been a complaint.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
You and I have both had a critique we both
had about Sean Payton and this offense at at times
being archaic because there are things that we could do
to be helping the cornerback out, helping the offense out,
helping the receivers out, and it feels like we just.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Don't do a whole lot of that. No, we don't.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
And there's a play like we saw a lot of
Marvin Mims going horizontal or pair excuse me, parallel to
the line of scrimmage, and he.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Wasn't going vertical.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
So I was like, Okay, well, this is setting up
for something else. This is my defensive mind working all
these plays is setting up to open up something else.
And I was thinking about a play that back in
twenty twenty two, Kansas City used to run a lot
of these plays where and so to San Francisco where
they take that guy in motion and they think that, Okay,
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well the corner's got to pass it off or he's
got to run with that motion.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
The ball is snapped right.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Now it's a return motion behind the backfield. He comes
back the same place he came from, and now the
defender is out flanked, and that's a quick first down
or touchdown. These are all red zone or short yard
is type plays that I was thinking last year what
we were seeing from MIMS, there was gonna be an evolution.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
But the evolution ever came. Yeah, not for me, right,
And I think that's sort of the thing. Now. Maybe
that's a byproduct of not having every piece that you need.
Who knows, but I think after this season, you're gonna
have every piece you need. We're gonna see what this
thing is like.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
There's not any we have to throw this part of
the playbook out.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
You got all the pieces. Now, you've got Burner wide.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Receivers out there, you've got your ex receivers, you got a.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Guy who can play the big slot. You know you're
gonna have all those pieces.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I don't think there's any excuses as far as well
we gotta throw chucks to the playbook anymore.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Let's see.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
See that's the thing for me because some ocnes go, well,
you got you're more enhanced from a personnel standpoint, so
let me call more plays.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
And for me, I think shrinking, Well, the play calls
are important. Yeah, you want to, you want to. You
don't want to come into here with ah what was
his name?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
The former O see the guy that Al Saunders had
the six hundred plage playbook and all that kind of
that's ridiculous. Like nobody's going to be able to memorize
everything they're supposed to do in those kinds of thing.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
It's just not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
So you do want to make it so that it's
easy and digestible for your guys. But you do want
to have some plays, you know, you want to keep
adding to this to the mix every week, a couple
of plays in order to keep expanding the book a
little bit so because otherwise, if you do condense it
down far enough and you just stick.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
With that, you become predictable. Well, I'm not saying reduce
it that much. Here's a better word. How about I
shrunk the playbook. That'd be great. How about being more refined.
You still may have your you get, get your gadgets,
your third down, your all.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
You kind of every ingram packages.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
I'm not saying dismiss that, but kind of refine the
play sheet because we always see that waffle House MEANU.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, you don't have Look when you go to waffle house,
does I want to everything? No? I get the triple
orders scattered covered. There you go, so you don't have
to owner everything. It's not all you can eat for fee,
but you could order everything for under twenty dollars. Because
it's I think we've done this. There you go. You
say some other covers and brother, Yeah, does the brother
(27:34):
mean bravy.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I was like, I'm not following up on that because
i'mthing the brother means gravy.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Oh yeah, okay, okay, yes, that's what it.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Make sure.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I was following sauce, skylight and chili back. You're talking
about sauce. Oh my goodness. We're already off and doing it.
We got mother being joined us seven thirty five. Got
a few other things I want to get to here about.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Uh Broncos schema adjustments five six, six, nine year olds
of text on real quick, guys.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
We got attle give away to get to here.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
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Speaker 3 (28:10):
Or you can win a pass right now. Win a
couple of passes right now call three three or three.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Seven one three eighty five eighty five you will win
a pair of passes to the Denver Home Show. Trying
to get this bracket filled out or finish filling this
bracket out, so we are finished.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Well, you already finished. Usually I don't fill these thats
you got in there. You had a few. I'm gonna
tell you, well, you're gonna tell me on the air
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Well, at some point, I've got a lot more than
I usually do.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I watched a lot of mid major basketball this.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Year, Sorry for you, right, mid major basketball where players
actually stay for more than a year.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
All right, so let me so let me guess you
got like Crighton, you know, yeah, sorry. Frighton was the
author of Jurassic Park. Michael Crichton. Oh, I thought that
was the animal and class and it's what's the never
released the at least the Crichton that sounds it was
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better better. Oh my goodness. Well, yeah, there's a couple
of Yes. I'm struggling with, man.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I mean, there's a couples that have a pretty good
pulse on and there's a couple of these.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I'm just I'm struggling with.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Like, I have no idea about Liberty, right, Liberty Basketball.
Didn't watch a bit of it, So Liberty Oregon. I
have a little bit of trouble there.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Well, I mean, you didn't watch Liberty, so I think
that would be easier one for you.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Well, I mean, I don't know. They're they're a decent team.
They're in the tournament. Here, just about twenty six basketball choos. Well,
eventually I will right now, I have not chosen yet.
So I'm going down the list looking. I've got a
few upsets in here. We'll get the bracket ball.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
You're all your bracket coverage, because everybody cares about that stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Here in just a little bit on the text line
five six, six, nine nine, and I says with Jawan
Johnson off the table, and the plan was both could
they sign someone else or trade.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
To pair with them and Ingram. No, they're not trading
nally trading.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I really doubt they're signing somebody. My guess would be
U draft the draft. They keep your eye on Mason
Taylor out of LSU. Man, I don't think we're talking
about him enough. Possibly here in Denver. There is a
Denver connection with one of the coaches, So I would
suggest keep your eye keep your Mason Taylor out of LSU.
I really liked what I saw down there at the
Senior Bowl. Liked what I saw at the Combine. I
don't know if you watch the Ryan Edwards and I
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were talking about the during the break in between the shows,
and I don't know if you watch the Combine. Well,
he ran the gauntlet drill. I've never seen a dude
run stay a tight end, stay on that line as
perfect as he did during the gauntlet drill. It was
just fun to watch for me.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Look, if the Bronco's looking for the tight end, you
want a guy who is tough, he's got a little
grit to him, he's got soft hands, he doesn't body catch. Yeah, uh,
and a guy who runs, uh it is It's great
to get a guy who runs great routes. But if
it's a decent route runner, that means that he has
room to improve.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Who's that, you know, I'm just saying. I mean he
wants somebody character.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, Taylor kar was an inline guy, loves the block,
but he can catch passes and he's got no speed
and all that kind of stuff. So I think he's
one of those guys that fits you criteria that I
didn't shake his handle on us if they are what
moisturizer uses.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
But you know, we'll find out.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
This is the kind of work that we do here
on Broncos Country, and we'll find out if he's a
Jergens man or not.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Broncos Country. Now I got hit a break. We'll be
back up to this save
My voice is still kind of wonky, So you guys
are gonna have to put up with me be a
little bit wonkyer.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
But it's getting better by the day. We're getting there.
Can you can you define wonky.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Because I'm prone to give out at any time? Prone
to give up? Is that in the Western dictionary? Yes, yes,
it is wonky? What y Benjamin Albright or Benjamin all right?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yes, I have to admit it's uh, it's a lot
better than it was last week.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
But but I have to have gone from Barry White
to Barry Manilow.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
So but can I can I say this? Can I
be totally transparent? I'm here for it. Yes, if it's
jokes even better, well, Grant tell me this. I like
Ben's voice, but I like the Oh the Ben's voice.
You want the nerd voice back? You want my like
nerdy white arcle voice back?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
No, no, no, I'm someone who sounds nerdy and white. Yeah,
I'd say we want the chain smoking Benjamin.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
All I agree with the Rick Lewis. Oh wait, you
went to yeah that guy?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Why? Yeah, I'm okay, I mean all right, I wish
I could do that all the time, smoking for.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
The voice I used to joke. I used to joke
about that when.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Uh so, after I got out of you know, the
army and all that kind of stuff, right before I
found my own company.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
It did six months like government contracting.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
And I used to say that I was going to
take up smoking for the breaks, just because like how
often all those guys they would take part.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Seriously, these guys would take like twenty breaks every hour.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I'm gonna start taking up smoking just breaks.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
And Japan they give people who don't smoke extra vacation
days to make up for all the time that people
use during smoke breaks on that.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
You know, because of Japan. Smoking is huge over there.
That's a real thing.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
They give them extra days of vacation because it doesn't
work out.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You don't smoke the first thing ever doesn't work out.
I know where I'm headed, you know what.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I like that that that's kind of creating or encouraging
a healthier environment, right.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I'm all for this is incentive. I think those of
us that don't smoke, it sound like we do. And uh,
it's coming right board. Nobody laugh, man, I'm start calling
so far nobody, I know nobody wants to hear. So
I'll start coughing. I already have to. I have to
take this stuff right now that.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Numbs my my throat or whatever to keep me from coughing.
Because I was coughing so much. It was like there
was numb your throats. Yeah, I have to take this stuff.
They give me this stuff, this prescription to like number
my throat to keep me from coughing.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
See. See, he just needs a gurgle with some robo testing.
Yeahs St. Patrick's dad. Yeah, I do. I tried.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Wait, wait, wait a minute, I said, robo testing.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
You go just totally to the left. Gurgle was miss
hay you.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I mean, if you're JaMarcus Russell, you do both at
the same time. It's right along going and we're off
and run in on Rocco's country.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
You're like.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Grand talking about me. I may or may not have
sipped on some scissor. Okay, okay, your brother worked on that.
That was a bang.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I tell you what, Grant, every single day, there's something
about you that I.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Love dropping three sixes.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I mean, you're not getting that from any other producers.
I'm just saying this market, especially enough producers, looks like that.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Your hampster white guys type zero and sex line. This
week's already off and running. Yes, oh it's and it's
we got tons of stuff to get to tonight. By
the way, romy Bean's gonna join us thirty five to
stick around for that.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
We got Coach Prime putting out that he wants to
play a spring game against another team.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Okay, I love I love everything about that concept you saw.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Fran Brown replied, right, yeah, Coach Syracuse like the bat's
make it happen.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
And I don't know if you guys know for those
and uh here in the different market you don't know
about fran Brown and Syracuse.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Definitely go look him up. He has a lot of energy.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
He's like a smaller version of Coach Prime without the
Hall of Fame and all of that. But he knows
how to motivate his players, and I would love to
see that take place.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Now. I would say this, the game itself not.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So much treated like a true joint practice, like a scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, let the.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Joint practice be the scrimmage, because that's where you get
the most competition from your player, because it's edgier.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
That's what you don't think they would like keep most
of the starters out play the backups and get them
in the game situation.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
They no get everybody in there like a preseason in
the NFL. Well, and this is what I don't like
the preseason.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I'm starting to not like the preseason and love the
joint practices more. Once upon a time, I was the
total opposite.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I'm with you. I came around.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I came around because when you add joint practices, it
gives coaches more control of situation of football things that
happened in the preseason, but it's not as intense as
a joint practice.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
The thing that ruins preseason really is the fact that
you usually have a backup offensive line in there, and
it makes it impossible to really do anything to and
get and then you can't really get a gain. It's
like you're talking about you could control a scrimmage. Hey,
here's what we're gonna do. I want to see this,
I want to see this against this. We want to
kind of see this. What do you want to see?
All right, we'll do some of that back and forth
and you get to kind of see. Okay, all right,
I see how this works in a game situation. Now
(05:25):
we can apply this and go forward. When you're watching
preseason games, but especially by the time you get to this,
you know close to half you.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Got guys on the offensive line that are.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Never gonna play it down in the league trying to
protect another guy back there.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
It's probably not ever gonna play it down in the
league unless it's by.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Accident, yes, And and it's just it's you know, it's
goofy football, you know, anything, any weird thing that can happen,
and we get some fun plays out all that, but
the reality.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Is it's not good football and you don't get much
from it.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
But for me, it's always you want to make it competitive,
not combative.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Right, But but in those.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Joint practices and what coach Prime is suggesting, it's going
to be constantly competitive. And we get a chance to
watch the team do seven on seven, right, and then
you could do one on ones, and I have my
way I feel about one on ones, but you can
really get some competitive football in that you really wouldn't
get in that scrimmage. And I know why promise saying, well,
(06:18):
practicing against your own guys, you've done that for so long.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, right, Like I want first faces to smack a
round and you stop playing technique like you're supposed to,
and you start playing the man because you.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Recognize a guy from what he does.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
You've you've seen it, and you just play that guy
because you know what he does and can't can't do,
and can't do. And you start playing that guy instead
of playing the technique.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
You're supposed to, and it makes it really difficult from
a coaching standpoint to truly evaluate that because you've gone
against this guy for almost fifteen days right right now,
you start, if you're a smart player, you start to
figure out, I know what he.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Does, I'm gonna play that. I'm gonna play what he
does and not what I'm supposed to be doing exactly.
But this is a way for me, and this is a.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Way for college football because the spring game, or that
first game of the season, or better yet, the first
three games of the regular season in college football, that's
their spring.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah, that's kind of like the.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Preseason college footballccounts. You lose a game, you're you're out
of it unless you know, unless you lose one, especially
if you're you know, not an SEC team or whatever, right,
you know, you lose a game early and then.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Knowing as though coach prom got two new quarterbacks. It
gives you a chance to measure those guys and not
against your own players, but against someone else.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And in a game situation that's sort of, you know,
sort of ratchet up a little more than practice.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, and I would rather losing the preseason or the
scrimmage I'm calling the preseason, but losing this joint practice
against another team.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Lose, But then you go to Week one. You ready
to go?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
You got to We'll get more into that here and
just a little bit. It's a great weekend for our
buddy Grant Smith over there as the Cincinnati Bengals locked
up Bulch of marshas Anti Higgins on the one, I'm
toured on this because on the one hand, I don't
think you're gonna find a Bengals fan that's gonna playing.
If they kept the core of their offense together, it'll
be fun and they'll they'll definitely score points, and they're
going to be the highest scoring nine loss team in
(08:07):
the NFL because they anything else.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Come on, Greg, you're gonna sit here. Take that great.
How many games do they lose? What's the over runner
on games they lose by score?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
When they score thirty points or more, I'm just gonna
say it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
The most high flying losing team you've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Well, at least it'll be exciting.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
It Well, thank you, they were exciting last year. They
were the most exciting team that did not make the
playoffs last year that did not make the playoffs a right,
And it was so disappointing because I was rooting for them,
knowing as though the worst part of their team was
their defense. Mm hmm, and will be their defense this
year unless there's a way, Grant, I don't know if
(08:47):
the Brown family could play it off, but there is
a way. They have to do a great job in
their front office staff and evaluating young talent coming out
of the draft.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Well, thank goodness, they only have the smallest scouting staff
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I tried, Grant, I try.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I do think, though I told Ben this before the show,
I think every single one of their draft picks needs
to be on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Absolutely, you find three starters out of it.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You know what, based on how deep this pool is,
watching some of these guys run and perform at the combine,
which you and Ryan were there to me, you're going
to be able to find talent.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Now, this tells me that once upon a time the.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Ownership for the Bengals thought one way, because what they're
doing now they didn't do when I was there. They
didn't do when Carson Palmer was there because they were
concerned with more of the financial side than winning football game.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Right, that's where they let They had Palmer and Ocho
Sinko and Hushman Zada, and they want to busting all
that up.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yes, So I look at this as the Cincinnati Bengals
turning over a new leaf, because they were known as
the cheapest team in the NFL, deciding, you.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Know what, we're going to do something we've never done.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Before in all our existence. We're gonna listen to our
freaking quarterback still.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
At the leading sack person in the NFL last year ago.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Well you're still there, Hendricks is gonna be probably gonna
be gone.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
They're saying this whole that they could work it out
and have your cap up at.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Four guys, then I will believe that they've changed their ways.
We's right, they're not gonna be able to sign anybody else.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Okay, this begs the question, then what would you.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Do and toss it out to you guys and the listeners,
what would you be willing to do for the level
of success on the field, What sacrifices which will define success?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Because I mean, for me, this is a team that
came close to winning the Super Bowl just a couple
of years ago. They could have blocked Aaron Donald. Yeah,
Easier said, the one thing you needed to do was
have your offensive line show up given like no investment.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
But even though you said that, great, guess what they
were there. They beat Kansas City at the having Kansas
City on the ropes two years in the row.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
They were right there.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
So they're saying, Okay, well they got there with their
offense somewhat of a makeshift this defense, but they still
got there. So the philosophy for the Bengals is going
to be similar to what we see here for the
Denver Nuggets. Their offense is going to be their defense.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That's what it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I mean, it's gonna have to be because their defense
is not a defense. It's pretty bad. I don't know,
if you've seen this roster, how many of these guys
do you know? Joseph Asi, bj Hill, Chris Jenkins Junior
and then Trey Hendrickson are the starting defensive line. The linebackers,
they still have Pratt there, although technically he's not probably
gonna be there. Logan Wilson, and the corners are DJ Turner,
(11:41):
Dax Hill and Cam Taylor Britt and your safety to
day is going to take on an entirely different meeting
when it comes to this and the safetyes you got
Jordan Battle and Gino Stone. It looks like he's got
Stone Stratto's feet.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
That we can defend.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Well, I mean, it's god there's no letter D in Cincinnati,
because there certainly is a one.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
On the field.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Well, listen, the Bengals have five picks, I'm excuse me,
six picks. They have to, like Grant said, now that
they solidified what they need on the office because Burrow's back,
you got t Higgins, Chase the seci is back, Chase
Brown is still there. Now you need to go in
the draft and use those picks to get better on
(12:27):
the defensive side of the ball linebacker ed Rusher, but
then pick some offensive lineman and then at that point
you could say, you know what, all these guys are
on rooky deals. We're gonna ride with these guys on
rooky dials and we're going to get the most out
of them, getting more juice for the squeeze if you will.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Well, I ain't need some more juice.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
On the interior line, they got Orlando Brown and Amarius
Men's at the tackles and that you know, I mean,
that's an investment. But Cordell, Cordell, Vohlsen, Ted Carris and
Cody Ford on the inside of the line is begging
to get your giant investments in quarterback.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
You know, it'd be a problem, especially when you need
a division. I mean, look at the vision you're in.
I get it.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
But but I'm gonna lean on this. Well, I'm gonna
lean on this. Look how brilliant Joe Burrow was under duress.
He was throwing passes like a Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Falling to the ground, finding guys in the end zone.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
If that's what you're counting on, If you're counting on
your quarterback throwing tds while you're falling to the ground,
that's that hope.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Is not a strategy. Hey what Joe Burrow? It is
in that quarter.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And that's the idea. That's what Cincinnati is saying. Well,
it's not an ideal strategy. But it's the strategy that
they're going to employ because most teams won't do this,
they won't try to keep the band together. And knowing
as though you had Joe Burrow the quarterback who was
instrumental and so on, going to the organization saying, you
know what, we got to keep the Blues Brothers together.
(13:55):
I'm just like, for me, the way I look at that,
I'm I'm in this. I can't believe I'm saying this.
I'm of the Sean Payton school of thought. What in
that we don't pay our record that I but from
a from an organizational standpoint, I would not be paying receivers.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
If I've got the quarterback, he's making the receivers. I'm
putting the money somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
No, Ben, I don't agree with that, because there's an
idea that one in the in the league that the
quarterback is the end all be.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
All for every situation.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
If you don't have adequate guys to throw to, I
don't care who you are.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Peyton Manning made it work with guys like Blair White
Solid who was.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
On the team though that Clark, yes, because guess what
Peyton was in a mobile quarterback, so he had to
be well adapted getting the ball out of his hands quickly.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Joe Barrow can move in the pocket.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
He moves a lot better than Peyton Manning did.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Underrated athlete.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yes, so so it opens up so many different things
that then the offensive loan look at the weapons that
they had. You watched that game when the Broncos played
the Cincinnati Bengals, how they were trading blows like it
was a heavyweight fight.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
And at the end of the day, who won. I'm
just saying, at the end of the day, who won?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Who?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
You they didn't meet the playoffs, That's not what we're
talking about, being my question was who won the game?
Won one game? That game in question game? Broncos had
a great defense, right did they not top three?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
And their defense was injured at that point, you were
missing guys in the secondary.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
You're really starting to sound like Sean Payton, and I
guess it takes some off benefits at.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Great quarterbacks. But great quarterbacks elevate the guys around they do.
They just do.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
That's why you see Josh Allen, you know, being competitive
every year with a bunch of nobodies around, and Pat
Maholes just won a Super Bowl, A bunch of nobodies
and the ghost of Travis Kelcey out there.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I say, I love how you call them nobody's but
it's how you.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Justin Ross sky Moore.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
But and in regardless to t Higgins signing there and
Muddy get like twenty five, twenty and a half, he
probably is thinking the same thing, like if I'm not
with Joe Burrow, if I'm playing with Skyler, Thomas, Mason Rudolph, it's.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Not gonna have these numbers exactly. On the other side, No, no.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
It was not about he got the you're admitting that
the quarterback makes the receiver a great hundred percent, Okay,
especially when it comes to Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
I think it is they work in concert with one another, right,
they work in constant So so Joe Joe Montana, right,
who won four Super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I believe.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
So it had nothing to do with you know, Roger Craig,
Jerry Rice.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I'm just saying they had a great team.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
But if receivers were able to make great quarterbacks, and
the Arizona Cardinals would have had any one of those
guys that were after he came after Kurt Warner being
great because he was throwing a kwan Bolden and Larry Fitzgerald.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
But those.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Wait, wait, let's not undermine those players.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Those players made plays.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Right, you gotta have someone to throw it too, Like
the Bengals realize just what takeing T.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Higgins realized.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
If I go to somewhere else, my numbers may not
be the same. You could bring someone else in. But
now you got Jamar Chase, but no one across from
him to draw to draw that defense, so it makes
it easier to guard him. So to me, they go hand,
they go hand in hand.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
You just keep going to the other guy.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
If they're going through a triple him up, Well, I'm
gonna make this.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Other guy start. It's right foot and left foot. They
go hand in hand. I got three right feet. Whatever
that means, you're going into certay.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Like my philosophically, for me, there's so many great receivers
coming up in the draft every year. You know, I
just I can't see you say great, So many good
receivers coming up in the draft every year that could
be great that that I'm not paying receivers. Man, I
might pay one guy, but I'm just not paying receivers
that's the one thing Sean Payton and I don't lockstep on.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Look, man, tell me how that worked out, Hans and
skipping through a field of days.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
No, you can only do that when you have certain
things in place, all the talented pieces around you.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
You got the right offensive line. You could afford to
pay the offensive line because you're not paying that.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Receiver, if that's that's right.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
And the whole thing was sharn Peyton and new Wall
and said, yess what we got Drew Brees gonna put
all our money into our office of line. You know
why because our quarterback can't freaking move.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Well.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
See he's not gonna wait a forty competition against Lamar
Jackson or anything.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
But today's NFL is all about the quarterback being able
to manipulate the pocket and being able.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
To freaking move.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
But Brees could move a little bit. No, he was
a station never toad. And it was not Kurt Warner
out there, I mean Drew, so well, we gotta up break.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
We'll be back after this.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Talked a little bit about those Bengals eating up the
cap space there. Actually it actually lowers their number this year.
They're not gonna be in trouble this year. It's like
a year or two down the road where it really
starts to get dicey. So they gotta they gotta hope
that the draft picks over the next couple of years
really pad out.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
That's when they'll trade T Higgins. Yeah, and then the
Yoshivic over there or whatever. Hey, he's a decent player.
He's all right. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna knock.
He's all right, he's all right.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
We're looking down the Bills, the Bills roster and ke
Ja Handler and Jalen Virgil or top six receivers for.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
It's not hating, man, I hate that. Just what it
sounds like you're doing. I hate no, just saying like,
look what they're getting by on.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
What listen, man, you just were saying before how great
the quarterback is and how he makes everyone better around him.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
That was my point. See how the Bills are doing it.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
No, Look, it's you got a work in concert with
one another, and it's about knowing.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
And I said this during the break, and I surely
believe this.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
When you think about the number of mobile quarterbacks in
the league, you can cut corners. When it comes to receivers,
think about the Baltimore Ravens and Lamar Jackson. Lamar hasn't
really had great wide receivers. His wide receivers have been
like Isaiah Likely and Andrews Mark Andrews, right, So knowing
(19:58):
how to use those guys in, Todd munk In for
the most part, has found creative ways to get those
guys involved. That part is important because everyone thinks that, well,
because your quarterback may have a strong arm, you got
to constantly try to take the top off the defense.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
No, you don't. You just need to make the defense
pay homage to that, pay respect to this because.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
You're taking one to two shots down the field a game. Now,
it's about the short and intermediate game. Yeah, that's where
you live.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Eight of the game is played within seventy yards of
the line of scrimmage. That's right. So having a strong
arm is fun for the four players you throw it
down there. But I mean other than that, you just
have to have time and anticipation and accuracy.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yeah, that's the that's the biggest portions to that. As
we look at some of the some of the Broncos ads.
Of course they were not in on Cooper Cup, they
were not in on Deebo Samuel. Despite some of the
reporting that you saw out there, they didn't even make
it offer to either one.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
That was never a thing.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Juwan Johnson said the Broncos did pursue him, but he
ultimately wound up going back to New Orleans. Now, when
this was going on, in a converse I had over there,
which they kind of had a plan to get both
of them, Juwan Johnson and e An Ingram.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
The idea was to was to get both of them.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
And Johnson would have been the inline guy and Ingram
would have been like the move tight end. And you know,
then you really kind of had something going with john
Both those guys wanted to be the man. They want
to be paid for being the man. Johnson goes back
to New Orleans, the Broncos up their offer, bring him
and Ingram in, and there we go.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Would you have been okay if they'd signed both of them?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Would you would you like that if they kind of
went a little bit heavier and signed both those guys.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, last week we were talking about this, and if
I'm not mistaken, I think both you and Grant were like, no,
that doesn't make sense. Why would they go get another
tight end?
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I was for it. I was pro you're pro for
that was when.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I when I said that the Broncos should get another
tight end in the draft, you didn't seem the you're.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Gonna get another tight end the draft. I don't think
they'll do it a twenty, but they're still gonna get one.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
No, Okay, I'm all for the Broncos getting another tight.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
End, whether was Ron James or they get.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
One of these guys in the draft, because clearly, right
now the Broncos tight ends were not what the team
won or what Sean Payton wanted or.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
He would find ways to get them more involved.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
And when you're able to have tight ends one like
usually when we think about tight ends, begga for a second.
Usually it's a guy you can flex open right who
is considered like a wide receiver like Evan Ingram is considered.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
It's either a half for a y right, you know,
in line right and then you know kind of a round.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
But if you have two guys that are decent inline
blockers just to get in the way, but they're great
pass catching dudes, man, it opens up your offense so much.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Well, I agree with you, and I would love to
see them get into more twelve personnel like that, two
tight end sets and then you can move people around.
Then you really create mismatch nightmares. But the last team
to resially do that was New England back with the
had Gronk and Aaron Hernandez. But it worked, though murdered
the competition exactly.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
It work. Yeah, it was a very.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Effective utilization of the athletic tilet of the tight ends.
Yet it was yes, it was no one saw that
saw that, but yeah, but being able to be able
to exploit the defense in that many ways.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
This is why I think when I look at I
look at the Kansas.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
City Chiefs offense, they have so much movement. That movement
moves defensive players in the place where you can exploit them.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
And that's the point.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yes, that pre snap motion create First of all, it
creates hesitation or indecision to defenders. You can move the
formation and shift the formation into a way where you're
you're moving the defenders.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Where you want them. You're creating space before you snap
the ball and create a pick.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Right, And we didn't see we didn't see that, correct
me from wrong.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I didn't see that.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
A lot of the Broncos offense over the past two years,
and it was just kind of like, Okay, you get
into formation is a condensed formation.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
There may be a little.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Motion, cornfield motion, and that's it, but not enough to
move defenders in the plays that allow the linemen to
get up.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
And block them right. And I think that's been a complaint.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
You and I have both had a critique we both
had about Sean Payton and this offense at at times
being archaic because there are things that we could do
to be helping the cornerback out, helping the offense out,
helping the receivers out, and it feels like we just.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Don't do a whole lot of that. No, we don't.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
And there's a play like we saw a lot of
Marvin Mims going horizontal or pair excuse me, parallel to
the line of scrimmage, and he.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Wasn't going vertical.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
So I was like, Okay, well, this is setting up
for something else. This is my defensive mind working all
these plays is setting up to open up something else.
And I was thinking about a play that back in
twenty twenty two, Kansas City used to run a lot
of these plays where and so to San Francisco where
they take that guy in motion and they think that, Okay,
(25:05):
well the corner's got to pass it off or he's
got to run with that motion.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
The ball is snapped right.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Now it's a return motion behind the backfield. He comes
back the same place he came from, and now the
defender is out flanked, and that's a quick first down
or touchdown. These are all red zone or short yard
is type plays that I was thinking last year what
we were seeing from MIMS, there was gonna be an evolution.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
But the evolution ever came. Yeah, not for me, right,
And I think that's sort of the thing. Now. Maybe
that's a byproduct of not having every piece that you need.
Who knows, but I think after this season, you're gonna
have every piece you need. We're gonna see what this
thing is like.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
There's not any we have to throw this part of
the playbook out.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
You got all the pieces. Now, you've got Burner wide.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Receivers out there, you've got your ex receivers, you got a.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Guy who can play the big slot. You know you're
gonna have all those pieces.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I don't think there's any excuses as far as well
we gotta throw chucks to the playbook anymore.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Let's see.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
See that's the thing for me because some ocnes go, well,
you got you're more enhanced from a personnel standpoint, so
let me call more plays.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
And for me, I think shrinking, Well, the play calls
are important. Yeah, you want to, you want to. You
don't want to come into here with ah what was
his name?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
The former O see the guy that Al Saunders had
the six hundred plage playbook and all that kind of
that's ridiculous. Like nobody's going to be able to memorize
everything they're supposed to do in those kinds of thing.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
It's just not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
So you do want to make it so that it's
easy and digestible for your guys. But you do want
to have some plays, you know, you want to keep
adding to this to the mix every week, a couple
of plays in order to keep expanding the book a
little bit so because otherwise, if you do condense it
down far enough and you just stick.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
With that, you become predictable. Well, I'm not saying reduce
it that much. Here's a better word. How about I
shrunk the playbook. That'd be great. How about being more refined.
You still may have your you get, get your gadgets,
your third down, your all.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
You kind of every ingram packages.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
I'm not saying dismiss that, but kind of refine the
play sheet because we always see that waffle House MEANU.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, you don't have Look when you go to waffle house,
does I want to everything? No? I get the triple
orders scattered covered. There you go, so you don't have
to owner everything. It's not all you can eat for fee,
but you could order everything for under twenty dollars. Because
it's I think we've done this. There you go. You
say some other covers and brother, Yeah, does the brother
(27:34):
mean bravy.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I was like, I'm not following up on that because
i'mthing the brother means gravy.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Oh yeah, okay, okay, yes, that's what it.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Make sure.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I was following sauce, skylight and chili back. You're talking
about sauce. Oh my goodness. We're already off and doing it.
We got mother being joined us seven thirty five. Got
a few other things I want to get to here about.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Uh Broncos schema adjustments five six, six, nine year olds
of text on real quick, guys.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
We got attle give away to get to here.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Three h three someone three eighty five eighty five, three
three seven three eighty five eighty five with a pair
of passes to the Denver Home Show March twenty first,
to the twenty third National Western Complex. You can buy
tickets early and save at Denver Home Show dot com.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Or you can win a pass right now. Win a
couple of passes right now call three three or three.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Seven one three eighty five eighty five you will win
a pair of passes to the Denver Home Show. Trying
to get this bracket filled out or finish filling this
bracket out, so we are finished.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Well, you already finished. Usually I don't fill these thats
you got in there. You had a few. I'm gonna
tell you, well, you're gonna tell me on the air
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Well, at some point, I've got a lot more than
I usually do.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I watched a lot of mid major basketball this.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Year, Sorry for you, right, mid major basketball where players
actually stay for more than a year.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
All right, so let me so let me guess you
got like Crighton, you know, yeah, sorry. Frighton was the
author of Jurassic Park. Michael Crichton. Oh, I thought that
was the animal and class and it's what's the never
released the at least the Crichton that sounds it was
(29:08):
better better. Oh my goodness. Well, yeah, there's a couple
of Yes. I'm struggling with, man.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I mean, there's a couples that have a pretty good
pulse on and there's a couple of these.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I'm just I'm struggling with.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Like, I have no idea about Liberty, right, Liberty Basketball.
Didn't watch a bit of it, So Liberty Oregon. I
have a little bit of trouble there.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Well, I mean, you didn't watch Liberty, so I think
that would be easier one for you.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Well, I mean, I don't know. They're they're a decent team.
They're in the tournament. Here, just about twenty six basketball choos. Well,
eventually I will right now, I have not chosen yet.
So I'm going down the list looking. I've got a
few upsets in here. We'll get the bracket ball.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
You're all your bracket coverage, because everybody cares about that stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Here in just a little bit on the text line
five six, six, nine nine, and I says with Jawan
Johnson off the table, and the plan was both could
they sign someone else or trade.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
To pair with them and Ingram. No, they're not trading
nally trading.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I really doubt they're signing somebody. My guess would be
U draft the draft. They keep your eye on Mason
Taylor out of LSU. Man, I don't think we're talking
about him enough. Possibly here in Denver. There is a
Denver connection with one of the coaches, So I would
suggest keep your eye keep your Mason Taylor out of LSU.
I really liked what I saw down there at the
Senior Bowl. Liked what I saw at the Combine. I
don't know if you watch the Ryan Edwards and I
(30:17):
were talking about the during the break in between the shows,
and I don't know if you watch the Combine. Well,
he ran the gauntlet drill. I've never seen a dude
run stay a tight end, stay on that line as
perfect as he did during the gauntlet drill. It was
just fun to watch for me.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Look, if the Bronco's looking for the tight end, you
want a guy who is tough, he's got a little
grit to him, he's got soft hands, he doesn't body catch. Yeah, uh,
and a guy who runs, uh it is It's great
to get a guy who runs great routes. But if
it's a decent route runner, that means that he has
room to improve.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Who's that, you know, I'm just saying. I mean he
wants somebody character.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, Taylor kar was an inline guy, loves the block,
but he can catch passes and he's got no speed
and all that kind of stuff. So I think he's
one of those guys that fits you criteria that I
didn't shake his handle on us if they are what
moisturizer uses.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
But you know, we'll find out.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
This is the kind of work that we do here
on Broncos Country, and we'll find out if he's a
Jergens man or not.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Broncos Country. Now I got hit a break. We'll be
back up to this save
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