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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Not.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
A couple of other texts come in. Somebody said it.
Speaker 3 (00:02):
Was only one Beg left, So I guess we're hoping
he staying alive. Stop it, uh, Knights of You know
when Jimmy Buffett passed devastating Okay, I get that. A
lot of people that did. They makes sense.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
It got about Jimmy Buffett. Yeah too.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
We are into the dead of the finals for Stanley
Cup and the NBA Finals Stanley Cup, Florida jumping out
to a too nothing lead early on Edmonton. Here that
you and I both have. We think the Panthers both
have the Panthers in the over. I think they both
take the same thing.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, to me, the.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Panthers are the better team. But this this has been
a series where defense has not not exactly been.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
A strong suit for either team.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Well, the reason has been the case because I mean,
these two teams are phenomenal. When you look at both
of these teams, say well, which team has a most depth?
You have to look at at Florida because they have
I mean so many guys, I can score on so
many different lines. And that's where their power has been
all season long. Now, don't get a twisted well you
(01:11):
look at Colin McDavid playing for the Edminton Oilers.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
That dude can play. He made a play in game two.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
It was equivalent to a crossover by Alan Iverson or
maybe Kyrie Irvin where he's got a defender in front
of him Ben and he just.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Takes it from the left to the right.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
The dude's falling on the ground right, so you go
and one and he scores on top of that. This
is how superior he is as a skater. And now
I always say this, I am not a hockey subbot.
The Panthers were not in Florida when I was growing up,
but I appreciate the sport and you get a better
appreciating appreciation for hockey in person opposed to watching it
(01:55):
at home.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I will definitely say that we didn't have hockey where
I was coming up when I was coming up, either know,
an ice skating rink where I was coming up.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
But that's one of those things. So hockey was never
something I really got into. And then I got out here.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I think it was last Yearear before Last and Final
they started going to smaps game I got to the
playoffs or whatever. Man, that is an entirely different, different
live than it is on TV.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
It is man And at first, obviously growing up with
not having hockey around me, I was just like basketball,
soccer and football.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Those dudes are skilled, right, and then.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
It's like, ah, somewhat, but hockey, man, my mind has
been changed. When when when it's one thing to have
a basketball and put it between your legs and do
all that, when you can do that with.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
The stick with now you've strapped to your feet right
right right, And when you think about it, everything about
hockey sounds dangerous.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
And I know that's crazy from a guy who played
more than a decade in the NFL. But you got
a stick, you gotta punk, you gotta skates, that's razor sharp.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
You know how many things that can actually go wrong?
Why so many hockey people are missing their teeth? Yes, yes, yes,
and it's just wonder.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Like, wait a minute, why these guys missing teeth? Have
they never heard of a mouthpiece? But hockey is impressive. Now,
I'll say this playoff hockey is so much better than
regular season hockey, obviously because everything is on the line.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
But I'm enjoying everything about it. And what I love
about it.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
You have Edmonton and Florida, who met last year in
the same situation in Florida, took this to the Stanley
Cup in seven. To me, is exciting. It's it's feisty hockey.
You can put guys against the glass.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
But watching this.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Series, you're seeing more agitation and more pushing. Now the
same could be said and the series between OKC and
the Pacers.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Game one, I was just like, what are they gonna
call a foul?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
They play?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
They didn't play like it was like like they playing
uh in the in the ballpark, in the school yard.
So that series, right there was very impressive. Game one,
Halliburton hitting that shot. I mean, that dude may be
considered be basketball's version of Eli Manning as clutch as
he is in those moments. So I'm enjoying all of it.
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I don't know about you and Zach, but I'm enjoying
every single moment of it. And I throw this in there.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Ben. Even watching a little w NBA this weekend. Oh yeah,
let's get into that. I want to get back to
the NBA finals. But you were watching the w NBA
When were you watching?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Angel reche Oh now has more rebounds for her career
than points by the way.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Well, listen, Yes, I happen to watch the Fever versus
the Chicago Sky because it's the Chicago scot I mean,
there's always gonna be some kind of drama.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Angel Rechka, Dennis Robbins, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
So.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Look, I did watch the NBA. Look if I'm gonna,
if I'm going.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
To embrace the sports world, I might as well embrace it,
all right.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I mean, do you watch the w NBA. I mean
I have been known. I've been known. That's no.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I watched it on occasion.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I don't. It's not appointment television. But that's all I'll watch.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I did have a w NBA franchise on my NBA
two k absolutely cleaned up.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
That doesn't count.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
No, it's not something like real think the game.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
You're not helping the league grow. I am playing the
game with No.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
If you're playing the game, they need your eyes on
the television, marketing advertising dollars.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
They need those news and ratings going up.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Well, I we'll see, we'll see what I can do
for that.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
It was I I do watch it on occasion.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I just it's not it has not been appointment television
for me. It's usually it's that thing that you watch
once once you know, the hockey dies off and everything,
and then you're like, all right, I'm watching the w NBA.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It's that our baseball.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
But at this point, I can't bring myself to watch
the Rockets.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I'll say this, I don't watch every w NBA team,
but if the Fever and Chicago are playing against each other,
I want to watch the Las Vegas Aces. Definitely going
to watch the New York Liberty. They basically you watch
the whole league. That's every team.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
He's so dirty.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
For that, he's so dirty.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Wasn't that wrong?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I'm just saying there's not as many teams, right. I
Mean even the NFL started out a little slow, NFL, right,
and they just kind of mixed thing together. So so
listen is the work in progress. I'm just trying to
do my part to support, Okay, that's all. I'm trying
to do well, and I more power to.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I think the w NBA has grown from what it
originally started as it's it's becoming a respectable league, and
they've got personalities now in it that I think people
are tuned in for. The Angel Reaches, the Caitlyn Clark
kind of stuff. Though you do. That's what you need
to market stuff. You need personalities to markets.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Speaking of which, if you were to look, let something,
look at the different Broncos who mini camp they have
mini camp tomorrow. Like if you wanted to say, okay,
but who are or who would be the heroes and
the villains of the different Broncos.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Well, I think you look at bows in the hero
side probably m you know, I think if you're looking
at the villains, you're probably looking at the defensive players, right,
you'd be looking at that.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Why do we always have to be the villains?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Man?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
You guys can be anti heroes, you can be like.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
But no, but I mean the defense gets looked at
that way especially. I mean you go back a couple
of years. K Jack was kind of looked at as
a villain, right.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
He was like a villain times too.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, I'm just you know, you know, I mean, that's
the thing you get, You get the you get the hit,
and so you got to get the reputation of being
the you know, being the villain all that kind of
st I'm sure there are offensive players to get the hindes.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Ward would have been a villain on offense. Yeah, I
kicked that dude in his teeth. Everybody hated Hines everybody.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Okay, let's put things in context, right, Why did everyone players?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Exactly? Exactly, Yeah, everybody hated Hines Ward. But this is
I'm trying to think of like offensive players.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
You have to probably an offensive lineman or somebody that
plays a little nasty, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Quinn Miners, Yeah, he's Quinn Miners, troding on the line
between being both hero and villain, just.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Like Batman as a right.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Okay, oh no, Zach, what is there? I saw his
mouth move, but I don't Player Watson, Deshaun Watson, he's
a villain. We're talking about the broncos Man. We're talking
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about the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
But yes, some people would view, you know, Deshaun Watson
as somewhat of a villain because I think sometimes you
can be You tell me, can you be a villain
and a hero all at the same time.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
I think we were talking about villain win the confines
of the game. Yes, he's definitely you know, in a
lot of circles, yes, Zach, he he's perceived as being
all circles fan.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
I think if you're a Browns fan, you'd argue even
on the field, he's a villain.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Well yeah, I mean it's a different based on a
large luctar contract that they gave.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
But yeah, of course, yeah, just being the worst quarterback
in the league for a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
They're literally paying him this year to not be at
the facility.
Speaker 7 (09:19):
Well, well it's Flacco would picket and Shador and Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
But I'll tell you what I mean far as the
Broncos aren't concerned. I love to say the NFL comic book,
I love p su being a villain in this this season.
I love this, Just say Nick Bonito being viewed as
as a villain.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
What a good villa, A guy you won on your side. Well, yeah,
there's third guys like that.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I mean you think back to like Li Romanowski. You
loved him when he was your guy, you hated him
when he was on the other team. Well, from what
I hear, there were some other guys who was on
his team that you know what I mean though, as
a fan, not necessarily as a teammate, I mean more.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
As a fan.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
As a fan, you you view it through a different lens.
Like Kjack when he was on the Broncos. You beawt
him as a hero. Everybody else, you know, he's playing
against him as a villain.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Well until that, until he did things to get himself
in trouble, forcing certain other people in the lineup who
were not ready to accept that role.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Now now you may look at me at the villain
for the Broncos at Decider, there he goes, Zach. That
was a good one. He came out.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
You got my ears to keep to lead.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
You're Michael Craft three, he's the villain. Yeah, if you're
a Broncos fan, he's a.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Euro Well, you know what, that's the type of villain
that you want on your team. You know that, that's
that villain once again that straddles that line. He's going
to do some really questionable things. He's not always going
to follow, you know, the letter of the law, you know,
to to to it's dotten IDEs and crossing the t's.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
But well you need him the most. He comes through
for you. This is kind of a reach. But for
an offensive guy, maybe C. J. Anderson that walk off
in the snow against the Patriots kind of a villain there,
a bit of a physical runner, but it's hard to
think of offensive guys.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, it's difficult.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Usually you got to have like somebody who's a nasty
blocker to kind of get that villain from the offensive side.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
There you go, go no further than Tom Naylan.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, you gotta you gotta.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Find somebody who's a nasty blocker on the basically in
order to be a villain on the although I'll say
this Phil Rivers far.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
As what villain. Yeah, you didn't even swear.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
To the right yet he was like the s GA
of the NFL.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Villain. I don't know. I used to laugh when.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
He used to swear, right, because it's like he wouldn't
like he's yeah, it's just like like nonsensical swearing. Yes,
just put words again. I'm like, man, that doesn't even
make any sense.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Right, But but he'd loved to play that like ant
like j Cutler. Maybe he was a villain for who
wait J.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Well, well, okay, if you and D'Angelo hole you look
at you know, color as a hero to you, right,
because he threw you four in one game, right, that's different.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, I mean shadow chosenko villain.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, I mean you got you probably had to be
those receivers that were getting it you get in your
head like that, Kei Sean. Probably that dude Teo with
the popcorn shadow cho Cinco.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Didn't he send? What did he send?
Speaker 8 (12:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
He was the corners that were covering him a bottle
of Ecto bismo and saying they were gonna be sick
and covered him.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
That's villain.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Yes, well, any way worse than that, Listen, he would
like get there. He would like find the corners he
was playing against and get their girlfriend's numbers or whatever,
and like just say the number out loud.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
To let me tell you.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
I'm not gonna disclose too much of what took place,
but guys used to get really gnarly with trying to
get the competitive edge when they would find that certain
information and decide to reveal it while they're playing the
football game.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
What's for me?
Speaker 4 (12:58):
For the love of me, I never really understood why
would offensive guys intentionally try to pull this defensive bear.
And I'm like, dude, you know they pay me to
hit you, right, you do know that try.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
To get you in your head, make a mental mistake.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
No, So you gotta choose guys wise. You got to
really do your research to know which guys can't really
handle that, and which guys you're only infuriating them even
more makes them more focused.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
You want to avoid those guys, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
The last thing you want to do is you don't
want to You don't want to do like like Jordan's.
You know, people used to smack try to get Jordan's
head and Jordan's like, oh really and then goes off
for a double nickel on him or whatever. Uh as
nine seven, says Brian Bosworth, an all the time. Lace
Taylor probably on that list.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Oh yes, of course, uh so, definitely on that list
for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah. There's some bass with John Runyon.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Yeah, run And here's the strange thing about Runyan Lorenzo
as Lorenzo Neil not so much.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, because them dudes were putting me.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I mean, man, Lorenzo was putting people, was putting people down.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
And see, I think I'm thinking about guys when I
first came into the league.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Or Tron means yeah, another defense some guy. But what
about Sean Taylor?
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Great guy off the field, but man he he laid
out Brian Mormon.
Speaker 8 (14:22):
In a.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Dude. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
That was the first Pro Bowl Bowl game. I was like,
it's real now, it is real. Now he lay, he
cleaned him up. He took off running, and he's like,
and Sean Sayle came down hill, he disappeared.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
He was like, where did he go?
Speaker 8 (14:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
He put David Blaine strip. I saw the sonic rings
flying out. I'll never forget that as long as I
live his body. Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Oh
my god, I love that. See.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I love the idea of players, no matter what I
the sport, embracing that role. Like Draymond Green for Warriors.
They embraced that role, right, they embrace the role. I
am going to be the villain. People are not gonna
like me. I don't give to Nicholas about it. And
this is why when I look at Game one against
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ok C and the and the Pacers, that's what it
looked like. Like the rest was like, we're gonna we're
gonna have a flashback.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
We don't.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
We don't go back to nineties basketball. And I was thinking,
that's right. That's why Ben the first thing I was thinking,
I was like, Yes, this is.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
The NBA I grew up with, Like I mean, the
Knicks pacer that was always the series.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Okay, here here's one for you, young Zach, how about
you go google this and look this up on on
the YouTube the Detroit Pistons versus Larry Bird in the Celtics.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Go look at that.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
That every every single today to every possession was a foul.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Well, and but nowhere near what it was like back
in the late eighties. But they've amplified the physicality they're
allowing in the playoffs that we sum this year, and
I think it's made for a better product.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Well, the reason being, because I was trying to tell
Ryan and Dave, is that when.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
You started the season and you played all, you know,
seventy eighty.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Two games in the NBA and you were playing tough defense,
they let you do it both both you look at
Okay see and the Pacers.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
This is the solid basketball that they played all season
a long. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
We had a couple of texts ay Lile Alzado Old
the villain and one Jack Labor. We got hit a break,
Parker Gabriel. When we come back, run right out to
the UK. Wait comes for the hot line to bring
on our guy, Parker Gabriel. Hey, Parker, how you doing.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
I'm doing good.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I get doing doing uh pretty well?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Sitting here on the cusp of mandatory mini camp and
as we head out there tomorrow and through the rest
of the week, what will you.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Be looking for.
Speaker 8 (17:03):
Yeah, I think I mean kind of just like more
of the same Chaon Payton said last week. You know,
it's pretty much just like Oka's it's just mandatory. So
you know, you make sure guys like John Brinkle, Meyers
and some of the guys that have missed time are there.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
But he will be. I mean, he's you know, he's
his agent has said he's going to be.
Speaker 8 (17:24):
There's no reason to think he's not going to be,
So you know, you attendance matters that much more just
because if it's not injury related, it can affect the guys, you.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Know, while if he's not there, that's not usually a problem.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
So from there, it's just kind of you know, guys
that we've got our eyes on so far that have
impressed that you keep watching, and you know, you just
take one more step closer to training camp park.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Obviously, it's always difficult working the football business away from
the personal.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Aspect of it.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
So with that, when you think about Colin Sutton and
the concept of the possibility he wanting a new deal,
also known as though Ben's guy, And I'm only preferencing
that because Ben Ben likes to hear that, So I'll
put it out there that with Ben's guy, you know,
Davone Vylay, Well, you look at these two players, there
were mirror images of one another. If you are the Broncos,
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George Payton and put you in the shoes, what are
you looking to do?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Are you saying that Beyle is the.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Replacement for Corlan or are you thinking, Okay, you know what,
Colan has done enough or he's earned another deal.
Speaker 8 (18:32):
I mean, I think it's possible that both can be true.
You know, like Corlan's played really well last year. He
made the incentives that they put in his deal. Like
fundamentally he has earned an extension. Now you know, whether
he actually gets it or you know, all of that,
Like that's that's obviously another question. He's a player worthy
of the deal they've just I mean, Byle has looked
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really good.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Obviously, it's it's it's May, it's June, but.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
He's looked really good.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
All of that being said, Like I just there have
been a.
Speaker 8 (19:02):
Lot of waypoints in the last eighteen months where the
Broncos could have dealt Coreland Sutton, then they haven't. So
does that mean that it's impossible that they get a
deal they like or they decide actually, you know what
we really are set?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I mean, no, it's not.
Speaker 8 (19:15):
But you know, to me, like I just think at
this point, like you know, he's if he's a tradable asset.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Now he's you know, the team that.
Speaker 8 (19:24):
Would get him would know that he's going to sign
an extension and you know, so it's not like he
wouldn't be a tradable asset a year from now to
Just to me, it looks like a lot of this
offseason has been about connuity around b Nix, about giving
Bonnicks every.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Opportunity to not just avoid.
Speaker 8 (19:38):
Sort of sophomore slump, but to take a big jump
in year two. And I don't think there's much doubt
that Coreland Sutton would help in that regard.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And so like to me, is there some redundancy maybe, you.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Know, could something happen?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I mean, nothing's impossible, but I think as you.
Speaker 8 (19:56):
Go through it, like if you have more good receivers
and you know how to get on the field at
any given time this fall, that's that's a good problem
to have t.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
With Parker Gabriel at Parker J. Gabriel on Twitter. A
couple of different things going on today. You've got Nick
Chubbs signed with the Houston Texans. Do you think that
puts any pressure on the Denver Broncos to get anything
done with JK.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Dobbins.
Speaker 8 (20:17):
Well, it changes the market on the veteran running back
thing a little bit. I'm interested to see and I
haven't I haven't seen so far. I'm interested to see
what the financials on that hubb deal are.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
You know, if you thought there was two guys you'd be.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
Maybe comfortable with bringing in, Now there's one, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
So does that change the urgency?
Speaker 8 (20:35):
I mean it didn't in terms of letting JK.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Dobbins leave and not and not you know, get him,
you know, push for a deal right right when he
was on his visit.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
So I mean it could it speeds things up a
little bit maybe in terms of Dobbin's market now, you know,
whether it's just the Broncos or other teams or whatever.
You know, there's there's you know, we'll see. But I
thought it was interesting that that he came and left
and there was no deal, and we'll see if one materializes,
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because you know, I.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Mean they saw him.
Speaker 8 (21:07):
Work out, they talked to him and all of that,
and then and then they let him go. So whether
it's just a price difference or whether it's sort of
just where.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
He's at, you know, physically, you know, time will tell.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Honestly, be talking about you know, the offense a lot
here because everything is seeming to be based around bow
Nix and his success. So with that being said, Troy Franklin,
who Bo is quite familiar with from his days at Oregon,
how viotal is it for i'll say Bo's development, but
also I guess the growth in this offense that Troy
Franklin starts to find his footings this season.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 8 (21:42):
I mean I think I think it would be even
more important if we hadn't seen the sort of like
breakout signs and actually just break out for Marvin Mims
down the stretch last year. I mean, you just of
all the things that the Broncos have have sort of
put around Bo Nicks offensively, veteran expensive, talented offensive line,
the continuity you know, Evan Ingram, now RJ. Harvey, Like,
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the thing that they lacked for much of last year
was somebody who just really scared defenses down the field,
and then you know, Franklin got behind defenses.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
They just never connected, and then Marvin.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
Them started to generate some of those sort of like
you know, take the top off type plays, you know,
in the second half of the season.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
So it's it's important.
Speaker 8 (22:27):
I think, you know, there's been a lot of talk
about Devon Vley so far.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I think Troy Franklin looks pretty good too.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
Again, you know, we're in helmets in shorts time here,
but like, and he's not like he's put on fifteen pounds,
but it looks like he's.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Put on a little bit of good weight.
Speaker 8 (22:41):
He could really run Champaign's talked in pretty excited terms
about what they think he's got in store for a
year two and so again, similar to the conversation about
Vley and Sutton.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Liked MEM's and Franklin do some of the.
Speaker 8 (22:54):
Same things in terms of the down the field and
the vertical game and all that.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah, but if you got two guys can do that,
that's that's better. I think it was Bruce Springsteen that
said two vertical.
Speaker 8 (23:04):
Threats are better than one.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
As meat Loafer said, two out of three and bad
looking at uh, looking at the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
The Bengals slit go of Jermaine Pratt.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Today, we've got two inside backers are coming back off injury.
Should the Broncos have an eye here, even if Pratt
may have a preference for the Colts.
Speaker 8 (23:23):
Yeah, I mean that's the sort of thing where it's
like you wouldn't blame him at all for kicking the
tires now, you know, yeah, maybe he sees a better
path the playing time, you know, elsewhere, but you're you're
in go for it mode, you know, in a lot
of ways, and you've got the stalary cap flexibility.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
To do it.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
And so if the numbers right and you have any
doubt about you know, your depth and health and all
of that. And like obviously we've seen Alex Singleton out
there where of the impression that Dray green Law is
going to be out there when training camp starts, and
even given all of that, like those are major injuries,
those guys are coming off of green Law has had
more than one in his career. You've got just or
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not who really you know, is a good solid depth
piece and all of that. But like if you're talking
about wanting to just load up on Hey, guys that
have played, you know, and that you think can come
in and play, not just on special.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Teams, but on defense.
Speaker 8 (24:14):
I mean sure, I mean it's it's it's worth kicking
the tires.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Here's Lee Parker.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
When we look at villains, and I'm gonna bring you
into a conversation that Ben and I were having before
you joined us, because we were looking at the good
villains on the Denver Broncos. So if you had to
look at the Broncos roster on both sides, who would
you say, And it may be a group of players,
but who would you say is a good villain to
have on this team and that's going to prove to
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bring very good things offensively or defensively for the Broncos
offensive defense.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
You say good villains like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Like good good villains, like like Batman he was a
good villain.
Speaker 8 (24:52):
Yeah yeah, I guess I remember the remember the that
that gift last year of bo Nick saying I'm not
scared or something like that with you say, guys in
the Raiders name, I mean, honestly, like he can do
some of that in terms of just the competition with
the defense and training camp otherwise, I mean you're looking
at you know, you're you always look at the offensive
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line in this kind of conversation, like you want you
want this to be an ornery training camp for for
Quinn Minors and Ben Powers and DJ Jones and and
JFM and Zach Allen.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I mean, obviously you don't want anyone to get hurt.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
But you know, Champagne talk the other day about how
the offensive line is the one group on the team
that permeates the entire roster just in terms of like
their collective being.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
And I don't think you have to worry too much.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
About that group taking it like we've arrived, sort of
like posture when training camp starts, but they'll start the
tone and those guys on defense, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Won't be afraid to chirp back, and that sort of
in a way, I mean that sort of drives your
whole building, especially in the dog days camp when you're trying.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
You kind of know what you have, you know who
A lot of the pieces.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
On the roster are going to be this competition, but
you know, not for fifteen spots or something like that.
Speaker 8 (26:09):
So it's really on those guys.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
A lot of scrimmage as it usually.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
Is, to set the tone and to make sure that
it's a productive you know, five or six weeks Tyler
Parker Gabriel.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Is there anybody we I don't want to say expect
a no show, but are there any potential no shows here?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I don't. I don't think so.
Speaker 8 (26:28):
I mean, you tell me if I'm rung here, Ben,
But I don't think so. I mean, you know, JFM
got the kids camp that starts like right after last
year he was actually, I mean, it's kind of funny
there's some reporting out there like, oh.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
He wasn't at OTD last year. Well, he was at
two of the three weeks.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
Mostly he left early the second week to go to
a kids camp.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
This year. That's like right when the mandatory mat camp.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
That's like the next day. So you know, I don't
know maybe if they're actually there Thursday or whatever. But no,
I think we're I think we're talking about you know,
non injury.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Really, I think we're talking about a very high attendance figure.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
So stock up on the uncrestables Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah, that's right. I have a lot of OxyS those around.
You know.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Here's another group that I have my high on Parker
and me, and not to say that these guys can
come around. Well, you know how things work in our
business and then the sport when guys are injured. You know,
for me, it's a linebacker group. What was that going
to look like? Because I know then asked asked about Pratt.
But when you look at Drew Sanders, I mean, do
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you think he can step into that role and forced
to be that starter if Greenlaw or Alex Singleton can't
really make it through because their injuries are hampering him,
do you think he can step into that role.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
That's a great idea. And I have no idea. I mean,
I mean, that's a I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
That's a great question. I have no question. I don't know.
I mean, we haven't seen it, That's that's for sure.
I don't think.
Speaker 8 (28:00):
I mean, I think anyone would tell you, like Baron
Browning went through this, or it was inside outside, inside, back, outside,
like that that slows down your development in one position,
doesn't necessarily slow down your development, like as a football
player and being comfortable on the field and at the
pace of the game and all that.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
But like it's job specific training. So playing in the
middle of the field is a lot different than playing
on the edge, so is he. I mean, the cham
Payne and George pay and.
Speaker 8 (28:25):
The Broncos would love it if he was your long
term solution at Mike and he was a three down
middle of the field player and all that, and like
they thought he had that ability when they drafted him. Obviously,
I think they still think that's that's a possible outcome,
whether he's that or he's a pressure player. He's kind
of like he's not hasan reddick, but more like that
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where it's like you just play him on the edge
and rush the passer and use him in a lot
of creative ways.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Or can he be like a play in.
Speaker 8 (28:53):
Playout, weekend, week out guy that runs the defense in
the middle of the field. Like, to me, that's a
that's a wide open question at this point, Like maybe
he gets there, but we haven't seen that he has
the ability to be that guy at this point.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Talking with Parker Gabriel, last one for me, Parker, who
is or who do you think will be the Broncos
player that jumps into the national spotlight this year?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Last year it was obviously Nick Bonnito. You know, everybod
knew who he was.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Here, but nationally jumped out of the scene with that,
who do you think is the player that.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Does that this year?
Speaker 8 (29:24):
Boomer Sooner Still, I mean, Marvin Mims to me like,
I don't know, I'm not it's pretty early for making
like real you know, calculated like prognostications. But he played
the last five or six weeks of the year last
year at like about a twelve or thirteen hundred yard
pace receiving wise, and I think he had five of
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this all six of his touchdowns for in the last
seven weeks because he had caught like eight balls before that.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
But I mean, if you're talking about if you're talking.
Speaker 8 (29:52):
About Marvin Mims as a twelve hundred to fourteen hundred
yard type of guy on an ascending team, as a
young player with a.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Second year quarterback, I mean, that will put you squarely
in the national conversation.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Parker. We appreciate it as always, Bud, you guys all right.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Take care of Parker Gabriel, That Parker Jay Gabriel on
the Twitter machine. I always love getting a chance to
talk to Amill Seem there. Tomorrow's Broncos begin mandatory mini
camp did you ever miss any medatory minicamp?
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Hell no, even when it was voluntary.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, when you got to be there.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yes. Man.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Look, when when you walk into a new organization for
the first time, I know everyone wants to set the
tempo and set the pace, which is about setting the
right example. You come to work, go to work. That
was kind of the idea. If it's voluntary, I'm there.
If it's mandatory, you.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Know him there.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
But you know, when I tested the football field, it
was all go. It was one hundred miles an hour.
Just what happens if you're having to get run over,
run by well, push down, I'm.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Sorry, sorry for you. Sorry, Yes, part of the game.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Do you have any did you.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Ever a contracts incentives tied into any of that or no?
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Man, you know I knew better than that than to
just try to tie things into showing up for those
OTA's and minie camp.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
No, no, no, I want my money right, cash on delivery.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I don't want it, man, Yeah, I don't want anything
to kind of stop it. Well, you know what, technically
you were supposed to do ninety five percent of the
practices and then somehow something then go right and they
and the team came back to me and said, well,
you didn't fulfill and they take.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Money off the table. Nope, I didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Oh that's this probably smart.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
I was always I'm almost curious to the people who
had the incentives tied in and at what point were
you sitting there on the couch, Like for those who do,
like Lamar Jackson, you're sitting there on the couch, You're like,
what hell, I'll just let that fifty grand go or whatever.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
When when you were burning money like that, you're like,
fifty grand, make that up on my next autograph signing.
Do I really want to go to practice today? I mean,
once again, going back to what we said earlier, there's
it's it's two letters you put together.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Do you have that type of money? It's important. If
you have that type of money, then it's okay. Yeah,
that it's okay. Broncos Country that rose on. We'll be
back into this
Not.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
A couple of other texts come in. Somebody said it.
Speaker 3 (00:02):
Was only one Beg left, So I guess we're hoping
he staying alive. Stop it, uh, Knights of You know
when Jimmy Buffett passed devastating Okay, I get that. A
lot of people that did. They makes sense.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
It got about Jimmy Buffett. Yeah too.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
We are into the dead of the finals for Stanley
Cup and the NBA Finals Stanley Cup, Florida jumping out
to a too nothing lead early on Edmonton. Here that
you and I both have. We think the Panthers both
have the Panthers in the over. I think they both
take the same thing.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, to me, the.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Panthers are the better team. But this this has been
a series where defense has not not exactly been.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
A strong suit for either team.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Well, the reason has been the case because I mean,
these two teams are phenomenal. When you look at both
of these teams, say well, which team has a most depth?
You have to look at at Florida because they have
I mean so many guys, I can score on so
many different lines. And that's where their power has been
all season long. Now, don't get a twisted well you
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look at Colin McDavid playing for the Edminton Oilers.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
That dude can play. He made a play in game two.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
It was equivalent to a crossover by Alan Iverson or
maybe Kyrie Irvin where he's got a defender in front
of him Ben and he just.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Takes it from the left to the right.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
The dude's falling on the ground right, so you go
and one and he scores on top of that. This
is how superior he is as a skater. And now
I always say this, I am not a hockey subbot.
The Panthers were not in Florida when I was growing up,
but I appreciate the sport and you get a better
appreciating appreciation for hockey in person opposed to watching it
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at home.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I will definitely say that we didn't have hockey where
I was coming up when I was coming up, either know,
an ice skating rink where I was coming up.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
But that's one of those things. So hockey was never
something I really got into. And then I got out here.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I think it was last Yearear before Last and Final
they started going to smaps game I got to the
playoffs or whatever. Man, that is an entirely different, different
live than it is on TV.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
It is man And at first, obviously growing up with
not having hockey around me, I was just like basketball,
soccer and football.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Those dudes are skilled, right, and then.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
It's like, ah, somewhat, but hockey, man, my mind has
been changed. When when when it's one thing to have
a basketball and put it between your legs and do
all that, when you can do that with.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
The stick with now you've strapped to your feet right
right right, And when you think about it, everything about
hockey sounds dangerous.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
And I know that's crazy from a guy who played
more than a decade in the NFL. But you got
a stick, you gotta punk, you gotta skates, that's razor sharp.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
You know how many things that can actually go wrong?
Why so many hockey people are missing their teeth? Yes, yes, yes,
and it's just wonder.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Like, wait a minute, why these guys missing teeth? Have
they never heard of a mouthpiece? But hockey is impressive. Now,
I'll say this playoff hockey is so much better than
regular season hockey, obviously because everything is on the line.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
But I'm enjoying everything about it. And what I love
about it.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
You have Edmonton and Florida, who met last year in
the same situation in Florida, took this to the Stanley
Cup in seven. To me, is exciting. It's it's feisty hockey.
You can put guys against the glass.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
But watching this.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Series, you're seeing more agitation and more pushing. Now the
same could be said and the series between OKC and
the Pacers.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Game one, I was just like, what are they gonna
call a foul?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
They play?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
They didn't play like it was like like they playing
uh in the in the ballpark, in the school yard.
So that series, right there was very impressive. Game one,
Halliburton hitting that shot. I mean, that dude may be
considered be basketball's version of Eli Manning as clutch as
he is in those moments. So I'm enjoying all of it.
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I don't know about you and Zach, but I'm enjoying
every single moment of it. And I throw this in there.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Ben. Even watching a little w NBA this weekend. Oh yeah,
let's get into that. I want to get back to
the NBA finals. But you were watching the w NBA
When were you watching?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Angel reche Oh now has more rebounds for her career
than points by the way.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Well, listen, Yes, I happen to watch the Fever versus
the Chicago Sky because it's the Chicago scot I mean,
there's always gonna be some kind of drama.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Angel Rechka, Dennis Robbins, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
So.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Look, I did watch the NBA. Look if I'm gonna,
if I'm going.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
To embrace the sports world, I might as well embrace it,
all right.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I mean, do you watch the w NBA. I mean
I have been known. I've been known. That's no.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I watched it on occasion.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I don't. It's not appointment television. But that's all I'll watch.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I did have a w NBA franchise on my NBA
two k absolutely cleaned up.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
That doesn't count.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
No, it's not something like real think the game.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
You're not helping the league grow. I am playing the
game with No.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
If you're playing the game, they need your eyes on
the television, marketing advertising dollars.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
They need those news and ratings going up.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Well, I we'll see, we'll see what I can do
for that.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
It was I I do watch it on occasion.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I just it's not it has not been appointment television
for me. It's usually it's that thing that you watch
once once you know, the hockey dies off and everything,
and then you're like, all right, I'm watching the w NBA.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It's that our baseball.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
But at this point, I can't bring myself to watch
the Rockets.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I'll say this, I don't watch every w NBA team,
but if the Fever and Chicago are playing against each other,
I want to watch the Las Vegas Aces. Definitely going
to watch the New York Liberty. They basically you watch
the whole league. That's every team.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
He's so dirty.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
For that, he's so dirty.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Wasn't that wrong?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I'm just saying there's not as many teams, right. I
Mean even the NFL started out a little slow, NFL, right,
and they just kind of mixed thing together. So so
listen is the work in progress. I'm just trying to
do my part to support, Okay, that's all. I'm trying
to do well, and I more power to.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I think the w NBA has grown from what it
originally started as it's it's becoming a respectable league, and
they've got personalities now in it that I think people
are tuned in for. The Angel Reaches, the Caitlyn Clark
kind of stuff. Though you do. That's what you need
to market stuff. You need personalities to markets.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Speaking of which, if you were to look, let something,
look at the different Broncos who mini camp they have
mini camp tomorrow. Like if you wanted to say, okay,
but who are or who would be the heroes and
the villains of the different Broncos.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Well, I think you look at bows in the hero
side probably m you know, I think if you're looking
at the villains, you're probably looking at the defensive players, right,
you'd be looking at that.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Why do we always have to be the villains?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Man?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
You guys can be anti heroes, you can be like.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
But no, but I mean the defense gets looked at
that way especially. I mean you go back a couple
of years. K Jack was kind of looked at as
a villain, right.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
He was like a villain times too.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, I'm just you know, you know, I mean, that's
the thing you get, You get the you get the hit,
and so you got to get the reputation of being
the you know, being the villain all that kind of
st I'm sure there are offensive players to get the hindes.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Ward would have been a villain on offense. Yeah, I
kicked that dude in his teeth. Everybody hated Hines everybody.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Okay, let's put things in context, right, Why did everyone players?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Exactly? Exactly, Yeah, everybody hated Hines Ward. But this is
I'm trying to think of like offensive players.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
You have to probably an offensive lineman or somebody that
plays a little nasty, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Quinn Miners, Yeah, he's Quinn Miners, troding on the line
between being both hero and villain, just.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Like Batman as a right.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Okay, oh no, Zach, what is there? I saw his
mouth move, but I don't Player Watson, Deshaun Watson, he's
a villain. We're talking about the broncos Man. We're talking
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about the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
But yes, some people would view, you know, Deshaun Watson
as somewhat of a villain because I think sometimes you
can be You tell me, can you be a villain
and a hero all at the same time.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
I think we were talking about villain win the confines
of the game. Yes, he's definitely you know, in a
lot of circles, yes, Zach, he he's perceived as being
all circles fan.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
I think if you're a Browns fan, you'd argue even
on the field, he's a villain.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Well yeah, I mean it's a different based on a
large luctar contract that they gave.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
But yeah, of course, yeah, just being the worst quarterback
in the league for a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
They're literally paying him this year to not be at
the facility.
Speaker 7 (09:19):
Well, well it's Flacco would picket and Shador and Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
But I'll tell you what I mean far as the
Broncos aren't concerned. I love to say the NFL comic book,
I love p su being a villain in this this season.
I love this, Just say Nick Bonito being viewed as
as a villain.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
What a good villa, A guy you won on your side. Well, yeah,
there's third guys like that.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I mean you think back to like Li Romanowski. You
loved him when he was your guy, you hated him
when he was on the other team. Well, from what
I hear, there were some other guys who was on
his team that you know what I mean though, as
a fan, not necessarily as a teammate, I mean more.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
As a fan.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
As a fan, you you view it through a different lens.
Like Kjack when he was on the Broncos. You beawt
him as a hero. Everybody else, you know, he's playing
against him as a villain.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Well until that, until he did things to get himself
in trouble, forcing certain other people in the lineup who
were not ready to accept that role.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Now now you may look at me at the villain
for the Broncos at Decider, there he goes, Zach. That
was a good one. He came out.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
You got my ears to keep to lead.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
You're Michael Craft three, he's the villain. Yeah, if you're
a Broncos fan, he's a.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Euro Well, you know what, that's the type of villain
that you want on your team. You know that, that's
that villain once again that straddles that line. He's going
to do some really questionable things. He's not always going
to follow, you know, the letter of the law, you know,
to to to it's dotten IDEs and crossing the t's.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
But well you need him the most. He comes through
for you. This is kind of a reach. But for
an offensive guy, maybe C. J. Anderson that walk off
in the snow against the Patriots kind of a villain there,
a bit of a physical runner, but it's hard to
think of offensive guys.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, it's difficult.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Usually you got to have like somebody who's a nasty
blocker to kind of get that villain from the offensive side.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
There you go, go no further than Tom Naylan.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, you gotta you gotta.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Find somebody who's a nasty blocker on the basically in
order to be a villain on the although I'll say
this Phil Rivers far.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
As what villain. Yeah, you didn't even swear.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
To the right yet he was like the s GA
of the NFL.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Villain. I don't know. I used to laugh when.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
He used to swear, right, because it's like he wouldn't
like he's yeah, it's just like like nonsensical swearing. Yes,
just put words again. I'm like, man, that doesn't even
make any sense.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Right, But but he'd loved to play that like ant
like j Cutler. Maybe he was a villain for who
wait J.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Well, well, okay, if you and D'Angelo hole you look
at you know, color as a hero to you, right,
because he threw you four in one game, right, that's different.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, I mean shadow chosenko villain.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, I mean you got you probably had to be
those receivers that were getting it you get in your
head like that, Kei Sean. Probably that dude Teo with
the popcorn shadow cho Cinco.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Didn't he send? What did he send?
Speaker 8 (12:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
He was the corners that were covering him a bottle
of Ecto bismo and saying they were gonna be sick
and covered him.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
That's villain.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Yes, well, any way worse than that, Listen, he would
like get there. He would like find the corners he
was playing against and get their girlfriend's numbers or whatever,
and like just say the number out loud.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
To let me tell you.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
I'm not gonna disclose too much of what took place,
but guys used to get really gnarly with trying to
get the competitive edge when they would find that certain
information and decide to reveal it while they're playing the
football game.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
What's for me?
Speaker 4 (12:58):
For the love of me, I never really understood why
would offensive guys intentionally try to pull this defensive bear.
And I'm like, dude, you know they pay me to
hit you, right, you do know that try.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
To get you in your head, make a mental mistake.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
No, So you gotta choose guys wise. You got to
really do your research to know which guys can't really
handle that, and which guys you're only infuriating them even
more makes them more focused.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
You want to avoid those guys, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
The last thing you want to do is you don't
want to You don't want to do like like Jordan's.
You know, people used to smack try to get Jordan's
head and Jordan's like, oh really and then goes off
for a double nickel on him or whatever. Uh as
nine seven, says Brian Bosworth, an all the time. Lace
Taylor probably on that list.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Oh yes, of course, uh so, definitely on that list
for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah. There's some bass with John Runyon.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Yeah, run And here's the strange thing about Runyan Lorenzo
as Lorenzo Neil not so much.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, because them dudes were putting me.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I mean, man, Lorenzo was putting people, was putting people down.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
And see, I think I'm thinking about guys when I
first came into the league.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Or Tron means yeah, another defense some guy. But what
about Sean Taylor?
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Great guy off the field, but man he he laid
out Brian Mormon.
Speaker 8 (14:22):
In a.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Dude. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
That was the first Pro Bowl Bowl game. I was like,
it's real now, it is real. Now he lay, he
cleaned him up. He took off running, and he's like,
and Sean Sayle came down hill, he disappeared.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
He was like, where did he go?
Speaker 8 (14:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
He put David Blaine strip. I saw the sonic rings
flying out. I'll never forget that as long as I
live his body. Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Oh
my god, I love that. See.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I love the idea of players, no matter what I
the sport, embracing that role. Like Draymond Green for Warriors.
They embraced that role, right, they embrace the role. I
am going to be the villain. People are not gonna
like me. I don't give to Nicholas about it. And
this is why when I look at Game one against
(15:17):
ok C and the and the Pacers, that's what it
looked like. Like the rest was like, we're gonna we're
gonna have a flashback.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
We don't.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
We don't go back to nineties basketball. And I was thinking,
that's right. That's why Ben the first thing I was thinking,
I was like, Yes, this is.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
The NBA I grew up with, Like I mean, the
Knicks pacer that was always the series.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Okay, here here's one for you, young Zach, how about
you go google this and look this up on on
the YouTube the Detroit Pistons versus Larry Bird in the Celtics.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Go look at that.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
That every every single today to every possession was a foul.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Well, and but nowhere near what it was like back
in the late eighties. But they've amplified the physicality they're
allowing in the playoffs that we sum this year, and
I think it's made for a better product.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Well, the reason being, because I was trying to tell
Ryan and Dave, is that when.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
You started the season and you played all, you know,
seventy eighty.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Two games in the NBA and you were playing tough defense,
they let you do it both both you look at
Okay see and the Pacers.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
This is the solid basketball that they played all season
a long. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
We had a couple of texts ay Lile Alzado Old
the villain and one Jack Labor. We got hit a break,
Parker Gabriel. When we come back, run right out to
the UK. Wait comes for the hot line to bring
on our guy, Parker Gabriel. Hey, Parker, how you doing.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
I'm doing good.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I get doing doing uh pretty well?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Sitting here on the cusp of mandatory mini camp and
as we head out there tomorrow and through the rest
of the week, what will you.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Be looking for.
Speaker 8 (17:03):
Yeah, I think I mean kind of just like more
of the same Chaon Payton said last week. You know,
it's pretty much just like Oka's it's just mandatory. So
you know, you make sure guys like John Brinkle, Meyers
and some of the guys that have missed time are there.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
But he will be. I mean, he's you know, he's
his agent has said he's going to be.
Speaker 8 (17:24):
There's no reason to think he's not going to be,
So you know, you attendance matters that much more just
because if it's not injury related, it can affect the guys, you.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Know, while if he's not there, that's not usually a problem.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
So from there, it's just kind of you know, guys
that we've got our eyes on so far that have
impressed that you keep watching, and you know, you just
take one more step closer to training camp park.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Obviously, it's always difficult working the football business away from
the personal.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Aspect of it.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
So with that, when you think about Colin Sutton and
the concept of the possibility he wanting a new deal,
also known as though Ben's guy, And I'm only preferencing
that because Ben Ben likes to hear that, So I'll
put it out there that with Ben's guy, you know,
Davone Vylay, Well, you look at these two players, there
were mirror images of one another. If you are the Broncos,
(18:19):
George Payton and put you in the shoes, what are
you looking to do?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Are you saying that Beyle is the.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Replacement for Corlan or are you thinking, Okay, you know what,
Colan has done enough or he's earned another deal.
Speaker 8 (18:32):
I mean, I think it's possible that both can be true.
You know, like Corlan's played really well last year. He
made the incentives that they put in his deal. Like
fundamentally he has earned an extension. Now you know, whether
he actually gets it or you know, all of that,
Like that's that's obviously another question. He's a player worthy
of the deal they've just I mean, Byle has looked
(18:55):
really good.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Obviously, it's it's it's May, it's June, but.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
He's looked really good.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
All of that being said, Like I just there have
been a.
Speaker 8 (19:02):
Lot of waypoints in the last eighteen months where the
Broncos could have dealt Coreland Sutton, then they haven't. So
does that mean that it's impossible that they get a
deal they like or they decide actually, you know what
we really are set?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I mean, no, it's not.
Speaker 8 (19:15):
But you know, to me, like I just think at
this point, like you know, he's if he's a tradable asset.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Now he's you know, the team that.
Speaker 8 (19:24):
Would get him would know that he's going to sign
an extension and you know, so it's not like he
wouldn't be a tradable asset a year from now to
Just to me, it looks like a lot of this
offseason has been about connuity around b Nix, about giving
Bonnicks every.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Opportunity to not just avoid.
Speaker 8 (19:38):
Sort of sophomore slump, but to take a big jump
in year two. And I don't think there's much doubt
that Coreland Sutton would help in that regard.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And so like to me, is there some redundancy maybe, you.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Know, could something happen?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I mean, nothing's impossible, but I think as you.
Speaker 8 (19:56):
Go through it, like if you have more good receivers
and you know how to get on the field at
any given time this fall, that's that's a good problem
to have t.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
With Parker Gabriel at Parker J. Gabriel on Twitter. A
couple of different things going on today. You've got Nick
Chubbs signed with the Houston Texans. Do you think that
puts any pressure on the Denver Broncos to get anything
done with JK.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Dobbins.
Speaker 8 (20:17):
Well, it changes the market on the veteran running back
thing a little bit. I'm interested to see and I
haven't I haven't seen so far. I'm interested to see
what the financials on that hubb deal are.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
You know, if you thought there was two guys you'd be.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
Maybe comfortable with bringing in, Now there's one, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
So does that change the urgency?
Speaker 8 (20:35):
I mean it didn't in terms of letting JK.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Dobbins leave and not and not you know, get him,
you know, push for a deal right right when he
was on his visit.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
So I mean it could it speeds things up a
little bit maybe in terms of Dobbin's market now, you know,
whether it's just the Broncos or other teams or whatever.
You know, there's there's you know, we'll see. But I
thought it was interesting that that he came and left
and there was no deal, and we'll see if one materializes,
(21:04):
because you know, I.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Mean they saw him.
Speaker 8 (21:07):
Work out, they talked to him and all of that,
and then and then they let him go. So whether
it's just a price difference or whether it's sort of
just where.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
He's at, you know, physically, you know, time will tell.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Honestly, be talking about you know, the offense a lot
here because everything is seeming to be based around bow
Nix and his success. So with that being said, Troy Franklin,
who Bo is quite familiar with from his days at Oregon,
how viotal is it for i'll say Bo's development, but
also I guess the growth in this offense that Troy
Franklin starts to find his footings this season.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 8 (21:42):
I mean I think I think it would be even
more important if we hadn't seen the sort of like
breakout signs and actually just break out for Marvin Mims
down the stretch last year. I mean, you just of
all the things that the Broncos have have sort of
put around Bo Nicks offensively, veteran expensive, talented offensive line,
the continuity you know, Evan Ingram, now RJ. Harvey, Like,
(22:06):
the thing that they lacked for much of last year
was somebody who just really scared defenses down the field,
and then you know, Franklin got behind defenses.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
They just never connected, and then Marvin.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
Them started to generate some of those sort of like
you know, take the top off type plays, you know,
in the second half of the season.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
So it's it's important.
Speaker 8 (22:27):
I think, you know, there's been a lot of talk
about Devon Vley so far.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I think Troy Franklin looks pretty good too.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
Again, you know, we're in helmets in shorts time here,
but like, and he's not like he's put on fifteen pounds,
but it looks like he's.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Put on a little bit of good weight.
Speaker 8 (22:41):
He could really run Champaign's talked in pretty excited terms
about what they think he's got in store for a
year two and so again, similar to the conversation about
Vley and Sutton.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Liked MEM's and Franklin do some of the.
Speaker 8 (22:54):
Same things in terms of the down the field and
the vertical game and all that.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah, but if you got two guys can do that,
that's that's better. I think it was Bruce Springsteen that
said two vertical.
Speaker 8 (23:04):
Threats are better than one.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
As meat Loafer said, two out of three and bad
looking at uh, looking at the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
The Bengals slit go of Jermaine Pratt.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Today, we've got two inside backers are coming back off injury.
Should the Broncos have an eye here, even if Pratt
may have a preference for the Colts.
Speaker 8 (23:23):
Yeah, I mean that's the sort of thing where it's
like you wouldn't blame him at all for kicking the
tires now, you know, yeah, maybe he sees a better
path the playing time, you know, elsewhere, but you're you're
in go for it mode, you know, in a lot
of ways, and you've got the stalary cap flexibility.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
To do it.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
And so if the numbers right and you have any
doubt about you know, your depth and health and all
of that. And like obviously we've seen Alex Singleton out
there where of the impression that Dray green Law is
going to be out there when training camp starts, and
even given all of that, like those are major injuries,
those guys are coming off of green Law has had
more than one in his career. You've got just or
(24:00):
not who really you know, is a good solid depth
piece and all of that. But like if you're talking
about wanting to just load up on Hey, guys that
have played, you know, and that you think can come
in and play, not just on special.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Teams, but on defense.
Speaker 8 (24:14):
I mean sure, I mean it's it's it's worth kicking
the tires.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Here's Lee Parker.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
When we look at villains, and I'm gonna bring you
into a conversation that Ben and I were having before
you joined us, because we were looking at the good
villains on the Denver Broncos. So if you had to
look at the Broncos roster on both sides, who would
you say, And it may be a group of players,
but who would you say is a good villain to
have on this team and that's going to prove to
(24:40):
bring very good things offensively or defensively for the Broncos
offensive defense.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
You say good villains like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Like good good villains, like like Batman he was a
good villain.
Speaker 8 (24:52):
Yeah yeah, I guess I remember the remember the that
that gift last year of bo Nick saying I'm not
scared or something like that with you say, guys in
the Raiders name, I mean, honestly, like he can do
some of that in terms of just the competition with
the defense and training camp otherwise, I mean you're looking
at you know, you're you always look at the offensive
(25:15):
line in this kind of conversation, like you want you
want this to be an ornery training camp for for
Quinn Minors and Ben Powers and DJ Jones and and
JFM and Zach Allen.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I mean, obviously you don't want anyone to get hurt.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
But you know, Champagne talk the other day about how
the offensive line is the one group on the team
that permeates the entire roster just in terms of like
their collective being.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
And I don't think you have to worry too much.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
About that group taking it like we've arrived, sort of
like posture when training camp starts, but they'll start the
tone and those guys on defense, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Won't be afraid to chirp back, and that sort of
in a way, I mean that sort of drives your
whole building, especially in the dog days camp when you're trying.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
You kind of know what you have, you know who
A lot of the pieces.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
On the roster are going to be this competition, but
you know, not for fifteen spots or something like that.
Speaker 8 (26:09):
So it's really on those guys.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
A lot of scrimmage as it usually.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
Is, to set the tone and to make sure that
it's a productive you know, five or six weeks Tyler
Parker Gabriel.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Is there anybody we I don't want to say expect
a no show, but are there any potential no shows here?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I don't. I don't think so.
Speaker 8 (26:28):
I mean, you tell me if I'm rung here, Ben,
But I don't think so. I mean, you know, JFM
got the kids camp that starts like right after last
year he was actually, I mean, it's kind of funny
there's some reporting out there like, oh.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
He wasn't at OTD last year. Well, he was at
two of the three weeks.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
Mostly he left early the second week to go to
a kids camp.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
This year. That's like right when the mandatory mat camp.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
That's like the next day. So you know, I don't
know maybe if they're actually there Thursday or whatever. But no,
I think we're I think we're talking about you know,
non injury.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Really, I think we're talking about a very high attendance figure.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
So stock up on the uncrestables Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah, that's right. I have a lot of OxyS those around.
You know.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Here's another group that I have my high on Parker
and me, and not to say that these guys can
come around. Well, you know how things work in our
business and then the sport when guys are injured. You know,
for me, it's a linebacker group. What was that going
to look like? Because I know then asked asked about Pratt.
But when you look at Drew Sanders, I mean, do
(27:33):
you think he can step into that role and forced
to be that starter if Greenlaw or Alex Singleton can't
really make it through because their injuries are hampering him,
do you think he can step into that role.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
That's a great idea. And I have no idea. I mean,
I mean, that's a I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
That's a great question. I have no question. I don't know.
I mean, we haven't seen it, That's that's for sure.
I don't think.
Speaker 8 (28:00):
I mean, I think anyone would tell you, like Baron
Browning went through this, or it was inside outside, inside, back, outside,
like that that slows down your development in one position,
doesn't necessarily slow down your development, like as a football
player and being comfortable on the field and at the
pace of the game and all that.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
But like it's job specific training. So playing in the
middle of the field is a lot different than playing
on the edge, so is he. I mean, the cham
Payne and George pay and.
Speaker 8 (28:25):
The Broncos would love it if he was your long
term solution at Mike and he was a three down
middle of the field player and all that, and like
they thought he had that ability when they drafted him. Obviously,
I think they still think that's that's a possible outcome,
whether he's that or he's a pressure player. He's kind
of like he's not hasan reddick, but more like that
(28:46):
where it's like you just play him on the edge
and rush the passer and use him in a lot
of creative ways.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Or can he be like a play in.
Speaker 8 (28:53):
Playout, weekend, week out guy that runs the defense in
the middle of the field. Like, to me, that's a
that's a wide open question at this point, Like maybe
he gets there, but we haven't seen that he has
the ability to be that guy at this point.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Talking with Parker Gabriel, last one for me, Parker, who
is or who do you think will be the Broncos
player that jumps into the national spotlight this year?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Last year it was obviously Nick Bonnito. You know, everybod
knew who he was.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Here, but nationally jumped out of the scene with that,
who do you think is the player that.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Does that this year?
Speaker 8 (29:24):
Boomer Sooner Still, I mean, Marvin Mims to me like,
I don't know, I'm not it's pretty early for making
like real you know, calculated like prognostications. But he played
the last five or six weeks of the year last
year at like about a twelve or thirteen hundred yard
pace receiving wise, and I think he had five of
(29:45):
this all six of his touchdowns for in the last
seven weeks because he had caught like eight balls before that.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
But I mean, if you're talking about if you're talking.
Speaker 8 (29:52):
About Marvin Mims as a twelve hundred to fourteen hundred
yard type of guy on an ascending team, as a
young player with a.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Second year quarterback, I mean, that will put you squarely
in the national conversation.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Parker. We appreciate it as always, Bud, you guys all right.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Take care of Parker Gabriel, That Parker Jay Gabriel on
the Twitter machine. I always love getting a chance to
talk to Amill Seem there. Tomorrow's Broncos begin mandatory mini
camp did you ever miss any medatory minicamp?
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Hell no, even when it was voluntary.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, when you got to be there.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yes. Man.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Look, when when you walk into a new organization for
the first time, I know everyone wants to set the
tempo and set the pace, which is about setting the
right example. You come to work, go to work. That
was kind of the idea. If it's voluntary, I'm there.
If it's mandatory, you.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Know him there.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
But you know, when I tested the football field, it
was all go. It was one hundred miles an hour.
Just what happens if you're having to get run over,
run by well, push down, I'm.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Sorry, sorry for you. Sorry, Yes, part of the game.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Do you have any did you.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Ever a contracts incentives tied into any of that or no?
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Man, you know I knew better than that than to
just try to tie things into showing up for those
OTA's and minie camp.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
No, no, no, I want my money right, cash on delivery.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I don't want it, man, Yeah, I don't want anything
to kind of stop it. Well, you know what, technically
you were supposed to do ninety five percent of the
practices and then somehow something then go right and they
and the team came back to me and said, well,
you didn't fulfill and they take.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Money off the table. Nope, I didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Oh that's this probably smart.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
I was always I'm almost curious to the people who
had the incentives tied in and at what point were
you sitting there on the couch, Like for those who do,
like Lamar Jackson, you're sitting there on the couch, You're like,
what hell, I'll just let that fifty grand go or whatever.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
When when you were burning money like that, you're like,
fifty grand, make that up on my next autograph signing.
Do I really want to go to practice today? I mean,
once again, going back to what we said earlier, there's
it's it's two letters you put together.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Do you have that type of money? It's important. If
you have that type of money, then it's okay. Yeah,
that it's okay. Broncos Country that rose on. We'll be
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