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Speaker 3 (01:00):
Oh oh my god.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
The power of playing with tempo.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah, you know what, here's the craziest thing.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
And I don't know why we don't see it that
much here in Denver, and we've seen this with several
offensive coordinators not really using utilizing the altitude and the
way that they can. Because when you think about tempo
what it does to a defense, it does allow the
defensive coordinator to sub out players.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Whomever's on the.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Field, it gets tapping their heads and falling on the
ground trying to get out of the game.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
But you are able to set the.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Pace from an offensive standpoint, and if you practice that
on a given practice, you not only groove your offensive line,
but you prepare your defensive players.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
For quick actions, being able to.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Get the plays in as quickly as possible, maybe playing
from a wristband, because you know that players at some
point defensively, you're going to be in this position where
someone's gonna go hurry and we're gonna run two minutes.
That way, everyone's thinking on the same page. You know
how to get the plays in and then you don't
have to worry about any players just being dispersed as
far as what have we got, Ben, what's the call
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they're lining up? I don't have the call. You don't
have to worry about that. Because when Vic Fangiel was here,
we saw that happen. And if you watch any NFL
game from last year, you want to see a couple
of big plays or teams convert third downs because the
defense it wasn't that they didn't understand the tempo, they
just couldn't get lined up to execute it.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, and that's I mean. It creates all kinds of proles.
We've certainly seen it at the collegiate level. In the
high school levels who are playing with tempo like that
has benefited teams quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And you and I've talked about this before. We've talked
about you.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Know, why don't the Denver Broncos adapt this at least
to use here at home? Maybe maybe on the opening series,
catch the people napping, or come out at halftime catching
people nap it and put them back on their heels
with a go go offense, you know, And I'd like
to for me, for the life of me, I don't
understand it. It seems like we have a built in advantage
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here that we just disregard, and.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
For me is take advantage of everything that is presented
to you.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
That's one way to equalize or bring balance to a
defense that may be better than yours or an offense
that has a little more superior firepower than you do.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Right, run a hurry up.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Now. Some would argue, well, if you're planning against a
team that can score points, you want to be able
to slow down the pace because you may score too quickly,
giving them entirely too much time. Yeah, that's the thing,
And honestly to me, that's when you need to have
a Nascar type of offense or you can speed it up,
you can slow it down, but if you do have
an offense here in this altitude that you can break
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down and.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Increase your number of explosive plans.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Because once again, all of this framework is built around
one person to one person to be successful. And that's
both Nicks give him the tools and a weaponry to allow.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Him to do that.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
But also Ben not where call just from the sideline
and Sam Payne's like, well I want to run too
minute here. No, both should be more equipped and understanding
the office in year two where this is say Sean
Payton gives them the keys to the car. They say, well,
when you see it, make it happen. Yeah, I would
love to see that happen.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And you don't want to do something like, as we
talk about this philosophy, we don't want to do something
that isn't beneficial to the to the guys if they
can't handle it. But if they can handle it, I mean,
it just feels like having that sort of advantage where
you have the conditioning advantage, uh.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
And you can catch the team. You could catch some
teams napping.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Here it guy's tired, and you know, add points to
the board early, and it puts you in an entirely
different frame of mind if you can score quickly, and
you can score early in games, so you're not quick
with it early in games, put the points up early
in games. Get another team playing from from par or
playing from behind. It changes the way that your defense
can play too. It's not just beneficial the offense. It's
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beneficial to the defense can pin their ears back. You
know they're not They don't have to sit at home
and then check to see if the run's coming and
all that kind of stuff. You get up field, you're
going after their passer and harassing them, and that changes
as you go more one dimensional. That way, you get
diminishing returns as an offense. So for me, I look
at this as a no brainer, what's holding us back?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I was.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Like Parlker Gaber said, great question. I don't have the
answer to that.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
But because it's it seems like a no brainer, why
not go out and use it now? Some would probably
would say last year Bowl was in the embassy stages
of learning the offense. So you can't go too much
hurry up because it may throw things off. And here's
another part of going hurry up when the team knows
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you like to do that. Now, the opposing defense they thinking, okay,
but we're going to simplify.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
A game plan. So usually they would go hands and
hands means cover two.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Right, So okay, well, how do you exploit cover two
for verticals? Right? You got you say they checking the
cover two, we're gonna hit him with four verticals.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
They were gonna hit him again.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
And then there's gonna be some defensive lineman who's huffing
and puffing.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Hands on knees. Right, he's not torking, but he got
hands on knees.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
He's looking to the sideline and he's asking for someone
to kind of give him a break.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
And then you run another play, and you run another play.
You got to gas them out.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
And I know Chip Kelly tribe this when he was
with Philadelphia, it didn't really work because you didn't have
as many players on the NFL rosters collegiately. Yeah, right,
But if you practice that now doing mini camp OTAs
and then training camp, now you're well equipped.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Now you know what set of plays that we can run.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Because we've seen that restaurant menu that Sean Payton and
other coaches have have that you basically have it in
your two minute offense, right, why not running into a
team's defensive we can stop it.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
That's my whole point.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Well, I'm with you on that. I think that's I
think that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Is this bug?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I mean, I guess I understand for for a little
bit like roster construction and not having enough bodies and
be worried about that kind of thing. But I don't know, man.
I think you can run it at intervals. You don't
have to run all the time.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I don't have to.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
But if you can run it situationally coming out of
the coming out of the gate after kickoff, you know
when people are you know, just getting to the flow
of things or coming out of halftime and people are
trying to get back in the flow of things. To me,
it feels like there are situations where you can do that.
You can build in you know, three hots. You know,
you can build in three three different all plays.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Hey, we were hurrying out we get first down conversion,
We're hurry up and we've got a built in dive
you know or whatever. On first day we got some
built in run play on first down. But if they
get heavy in the box, I'm checking the all goes
or you know whatever. There are ways you can you
could build into this, and it feels like you can
do it simply. Maybe I'm off on that, you know,
but it feels like it we need a coach to
come into the NFL and.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Say, hey, okay, all right, I got something.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
We mean we need a coach.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Well, we Rockls currently have a coach, I mean job
Bady and running can he not?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I mean he could. I don't see him doing that,
but I would love for him too.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
But to me, that's advantageous, right, I'm with you on it,
But you would have been talking about this since, you know,
before it Haate Hackett got hired.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
How do we how are we?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
What can we do to rev up the offensive production here?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
And you know for me, tempo it changes.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I mean, lack of oxygen to the brain affects your
decision making matrix.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Trust me, you know.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I yes, if someone were you, were you oxygen deprived
and someone saying, hey man, what's your name?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
You have no idea? Yeah? Once I playing Kansas City
Monday night football.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
This is a game where I had like sixty yards
of penalties by myself and I tried to avoid Mike Shanahan.
It was one of those games where I took my
mouthpiece and just threw it away.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I threw it away because I could.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Not breathe, and I felt as though the mouthpiece was
restricting my ability to take.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
In air and exhale air.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
And when the calls was coming in, it was like,
what John, what was the call?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Here?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Tell me the call. I'm like, okay. Two seconds later,
I guess what I'm asking him, hey man, what was
that call?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Again? And then two seconds.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
After that before they blew the planet, hey man, what's
the call?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
So you were so gazzed that you.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Can't remember certain things, And to me, that's what you
want to do because you know this, I mean the
lack of oxygen that you have.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
You can't process stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
You can see it, but your mind can't process it
where your feet and your body actually moves.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
So since we know that, why don't we press that button?
And like you said, the Broncos and Champagne, they don't
have to call it on every.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Single play, but just know when you need a momentum
turn or coming out of halftime where the Broncos struggled
mightily last season score points coming out of halftime. That
wasn't a great quarter for them, that third quarter, This
is an opportunity to steal a couple of plays.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, and then for me, any opportunity that you have
to kind of add to first of all, all add
to the plate of your opponents having to practice against
you going forward, but also in game, you know, allowing
you to put yourself in position to get more points early.
The more points you could bank early, the better off
you're going to be, just statistically, the better off you're
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going to be across the board, you know. And you
forced teams to play from behind, forced teams to play,
you know, a game that they maybe they have to
pare down their own playbook, and it makes it easier.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
So for me, as we as we talk about that
over and over. It just feels like maybe this is
the year.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Maybe bo got immersed in Sean Payton's offense. Now maybe
this year maybe we can maybe add some tempo to
it and and get it up and go, especially if
we can get running backs that can pickup yardage on
early downs.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
So another department that Broncos struggle positive yards on first
down because usually we see the Broncos last season a
lot of third and long situation. Some may converted, some
they didn't. And when you and a lot of third
and long situations, it makes it really difficult for you
as a signal call, Like you practice all these plays
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all week long and you hope to be in second
to management plays, but you're not. And since you're not,
you got to dig into crazy and say, okay, well,
how many third and ten to fourteen play jr. Plays
do we have? And I'm there to say you don't
have many. Because the play that most people run the
deep over play with one of the receivers, or they
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run a play with the dagger concept where they get
two inside verticals and then the outside guy. I had
the motion the line he comes in and run a
twelve yard dig route those are your typical ways. Now
your other one is maybe a back show to fade
or you go to Joe Flacco route.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Right there you go.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Joe Flacco crawl, so SGA could run there you go
just for the whistle.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
It's one of those things. But that's how you matriculate
the ball down the field. The Broncos offense, with Bold
being in his second year in the scheme, I mean,
there's a multitude of things that they can do that
A hope Sean Payton decides to do that and running
with more tempo can help because we saw last season
when they when they just kind of dip their toe
in that pool.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Themes looked a little different offensively.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, and that's it really is something that I think
they can they can use and expand on this year.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
A couple other things I wanted to get to.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Is it possible that this team could maybe average less
statistically in certain categories this year but still be better,
I e. Maybe fewer passes, fewer passing yardage, but still
be better because the run game is picked up.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Yeah, Because for me, Ben, it's now fewer passing plays,
but that means as though you're more efficient with the
passing plays that you actually call, and there's more efficiencies
with the run play because now when we're talking about
now not being in third and long getting positive yards
on first down, right, making those plays easier to call
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than they execute, especially known as though, I mean you're
second and five, second and six, Hey you got Evan Ingram,
run a shallow route or run a return round and
just dump it to him in the flats.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, it's the first down.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
And I think having Ingram will also help in what
they can do in terms of spacing things out, you know,
and keeping people get You can't stack the box, you know,
Sean Payton wants to run a ball in first down.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
He likes to run a ball in first down.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
But I think having an Evan Ingram there where if
you're stacking the box and you can send Ingram just
just over, you know, just over the back side of
those linebackers and put the ball in his hands.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I think a couple of those early on in.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
The Yeah, but ban, but here's what you need.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
But here's what you're talking about that we don't really
truly see from the Broncos offense because we see Bo
operating from the shotgun a lot so you got your RPOs.
But what you're saying using Evan Ingram, now that's under center.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, that's play action. You know, we don't.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
We didn't really see a lot of those plays as
far as in bulk that could be, that could change.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I'd like to see a change. I'd like to see
a lot more of that we did. We didn't really
get a lot of that last year. I think there
are a lot of things that trying to get on
Nick's feet wet and get him ready, and you know
that that got paired out or taken out last year,
and I'd like to see a lot of that stuff
added back in.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I again, I think everybody when Sean Payton was hired,
was expecting the Drew Brees, you know, five thousand yard
passing numbers, all that kind of stuff every year.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
You know what, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And I don't yeah, and I don't think that's I
think you could be a better team without having the
better statistics when all said and done on those.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I truly believe that too.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
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Speaker 5 (15:00):
Starting off here with the Green Bay Packers, who released
former All Pro cornerback JayR Alexander. Today he hits allowing
him to hit the open market. They were unable to
trade him this offseason, which led to the two teams
parting ways. Reportedly, the Buffalo Bills were one of the
teams who got into advanced trade negotiations with the Packers
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over the former All Pro cornerback. Could Jaire Alexander push
a team like the Buffalo Bills over the top and.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Where do you expect him to sign? I don't expect
him to sign in Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
They wound up going ahead and drafting Maxwell Harrison in
the first round at corner instead of trading for shy
Early Sander. They've already got tarn Johnson and the nickel
Christian Benneford looks like a solid star on the outside,
and they brought Tredevius White back as well, so they've
they've got bodies, you know at the corner position. I
don't see him signing there. The question is gonna be
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who's gonna pay him? Because that's that's what he wants.
Who's got money to be able to pay him? You know,
there are teams.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Out there to do. But most of the teams that
do have corners, especially you know, you look at New England,
they're they're pretty set, you know, on the on the
defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You look at maybe maybe Cleveland, they get a little
bit of money, could pay him over there.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
But most of the teams you would think.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Would would want him right now, don't really fit.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Don't only fit what he does.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
You know, I say there is a team out there,
I don't know where they are from the salary cap standpoint,
but just defensively, the San Francisco forty nine ers with
Robert Sala returning as their defensive coordinator. That defense when
I was there, it was built on being able to
disrupt the quarterback, great excellent second level lineback play from
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a guy like Fred Warner, but also being really solid
and tough on the corners.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
So being his thomele.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Alexander play with the Packers and Jeff Hapley def is
a coordinator who was a DV coach in San Francisco
when I was there.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I mean there is a relationship there.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Based on the scheme and how is coast up, I
would say that San Francisco financing, financing is not being issue.
That would be a good lenus. But for dear your year, Alexander,
the forty nine.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Ers have the second most available cap space to work
with right now over forty million, So finances shouldn't be
an issue there.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Well, they do short term, they short they have this
is year.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
It probably wouldn't be a long term deal with it
to a year deal.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
I was just say a lot of that money. Yeah,
he's the only twenty seven years old. He's still got
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Less than the tech, but he's it balloons the Niners
cap situation balloons next year with the brock Purty stuff,
and that's where you're really that's where you really.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Have some issues.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
But do you think he'll be in line for a
big contract with the injury issues, him being somewhat of
a headache. I mean, Prevay actively was trying to get
rid of him this offseason and was unable to find
anyone interested in tracking for him.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
At this point.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
We've seen was a lot of NFL teams over the
past couple of years, espectly with skilled players they're willing,
the teams willing to gamble.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
On themselves and say, well, we'll give you a one
year deal.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
Right.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Just think about Nick Chubb. He's got a one year
deal with for the Texas, So like a prove it deal.
We're going to rich you for a year. If we
like you, maybe we can stand you. If not, we're
just going to allow your veteran experience to give us
an opportunity to build up that guy that particular position.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
So yeah, I'm sure that there's.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
A team pent it's just on the market long enough.
Someone's going to probably pick him up. But a low contract.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Sourcing tell me that Washington might be interesting, interesting to know.
Next step here more green Bay News. Green Bay Packers
quarterback Jordan Loves said, it's going to be awesome. I'm
excited for it. I can't wait to be on different
sides meeting up. I know we'll talk, pregame things like that,
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and then hopefully we.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Can exchange jerseys.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
After about his impending matchup with Aaron Rodgers and the
Pittsburgh Steelers, do you think Jordan Love will be looking
to settle any scores That week, when the Packers traveled
to Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, or do you think it really is
a friendly relationship slash rivalry.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I would say that Aaron Rodgers would be the one looking.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
To settle scores, not.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Not Jordan Long.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I mean Love didn't do anything other than get drafted
by the Packers and wait his turn.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Aaron Rodgers might be.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
The one trying to stick it to him, you know
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
As far as that kind of stuff goes.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, I don't think Jordan Love is I don't think
Jordan cares to be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Well, he only cares from the fact that he's following
the tradition that Brett farsat that Aaron Rodgers upgrade it
that now has been left and put in his hands.
So from that standpoint, yeah, he does care. I mean
to be the guy who is considered a Hall of Famer,
regardless of what you think about Aaron Rodgers as a
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player or anything he does off the field.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
He's a Hall of Fame player, so be able to
beat him.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
That says a lot for Jordan Love, but also says
more it's for the.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Organization where a trending beating the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Say what you want to say, but the Steelers with
Aaron Rodgers still puts them in their playoff type of window.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
But you're right, Ben, this is more of a.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Thing for Aaron Rodgers where he wants to tell the
Green Bay Padrews, hey, just when the sun doesn't shine.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
So yeah, I mean, I think he cares in the
sense that he wants to win. Beyond that, I just
got you know, I can't picture Jordan Love put a
lot of stock into it though, no.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Heart feelings you think over the Flaccos commentorship.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I don't think it's Jordan Love's team and he's gotten
paid now. I don't think they're I mean maybe I
just want to see after the game. Are they gonna
swap jersey? Yeah, I want to.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
See they see that. I think that's less likely to happen.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Three the other end of the Aaron Rodgers equation, the
Pittsburgh Steelers have officially signed Aaron Rodgers to a one
year deal worth thirteen point five million dollars. Is it
more likely this move leads to the Steelers snapping their
playoff wind drought by the way they haven't want to
play games since twenty sixteen, or that results in Mike
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Tomlin's first losing season.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
It remains to be seen.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I don't like that fit for Aaron Rodgers. I think
he just wanted to play and that was the only
team that had take him. He's never played in Arthur
Smith offense. Ever, I don't I don't like to fit.
I don't like the personnel. You look at that offensive line,
it's not all that good, you know, protecting him his age.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
We've seen what's happened with the injuries.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Over the last couple of years, and I wonder, you know,
if it goes bad, at what point he checks out.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
It'd be fascinating to see.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I think you're probably closer to Mike Tomlin's first losing season,
although Tomlin has been an excellent coach and managed to
manage to coach his way through all kinds of personalities.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Well, because Tomlin has been able to coach his way
through so many personalities, I think he'll be able to
do that with Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is trying to
submit his legacy. He wants to remove that sour taste
in everyone's mouth as far as what took place with
him in the New York Jets, and Tomland has heard
so many people complain that he needs to be traded,
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and the idea is that he's not a great coach.
And like you said, how many playoff games has he won?
Speaker 3 (22:17):
He's appeared in a lot.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
So I do believe that Aaron Rodgers has enough in
the tank to get the Stills over the hump and
actually not only get him into playoffs, but possibly get
him a playoff win.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I'd be pretty amazing.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
Ben, you mentioned the maybe awkward fit with Arthur Smith.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I'm curious do you think.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
The Matt Lafloor mutual relationship could potentially help anything out?
But Arthur Smith was under the floor in Tennessee, and
then before it goes there helps Sparon Rodgers win a
couple MVPs.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Yeah, but they're not.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I mean, it's not the same offense. And Laflour was
there and then he bolted and Spit took over. When
Spitz took over, it was a totally different offense. I
don't know. I mean maybe, but I'm sure there's a
way that Smith would understand.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
How to transition the verb for him and make it easier.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
But still the offense conceptually what Arthur Smith wants to
do versus what it is that Lafleur and wants to
do and what Aaron Rodgers wants to Aaron Rodgers wants
to run dep ISOs, Lafleur wants his own run with
you know, and build off play action and under centered
deep crossers. And Arthur Smith wants the running back to
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get the ball all the time and the backup.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Tight end.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Or Chauncey Gardner Johnson says he felt disrespected by the
Philadelphia Eagles when they decided to trade him to the
Houston Texans this offseason, despite his contributions to their Super
Bowl run in twenty twenty four. Well, the Eagles regret
moving on from Gardner Johnson In your estimation and where
(23:49):
do you think Houston's secondary now ranks among the league's.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Best, They might, I mean, Gardner Johnson is one of
those guys we're talking about earlier about villain.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
He's one of those guys that fits that role.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
He's one of those guys that that gives you a
little bit of edge, gives you a.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Little nasty on your defense.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
And while he's sort of worn out as welcome a
couple of places, he's also a very good football player.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
And they may they may regret that.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I still think the Eagles secondary is is plenty good,
you know, I mean it is playing there's a front step.
It's ridiculous, but I mean they felt like they could
move on without him. They just want a Super Bowl.
Who am I to sit there and you know, then criticize.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Well, Howie Roseman kind of took a page out of
Bill Belichick and the Patriots philosophy where they're gonna move
on from players maybe two to three years before they
need to.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
And he said they won a championship.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Obviously, you think if you try to keep a lot
of guys in house, a lot of retention. But in
his mind, it's better to move on from players and
just kind of keep recycling and rebuilding. That philosophy may
work for Philadelphia and this possibility it may bide him in.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
A their year.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
I try to kind of figure out the proper way
to say that. But when I think about the Houston
Texans adding another.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Weapon defensively, you got to think about it.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I mean, when you got Will Anderson on the corners, right,
and you have Hunter as well, if you get those
guys coming after the quarterback noring as though you can
hold up, hey, you can play man coverage in the
back end. I mean, if you see j Strout, I
mean you're happy about this move. So for me, I
think this is probably a better move for the Texans
(25:29):
than it is for the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, I mean, you know, the Texans definitely acquired a
talent and he'll step right into this strong safety role.
But that's it. I mean, the Eagles didn't lose a starter.
Carter Johnson was really a starter for them. He's a
rotational guy of safety, you know, whereas he'll be a
you know, he'll be a starter for the Texans. So
and it's a pretty lethal secondary they got with Stingley
over there too.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
So you know, I'm just.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Saying, right, the Texans are in a Bronco schedule this year, right,
I believe they are.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
Great matchup between those two. Interesting yep.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
And by the way, the Houston Texans return all of
their starters on defense last year, with the exception of
Trump safety where they got Carter.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Jobs that's a nice upgrade.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
And then do you think CJ.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
GJ seems to be this guy that just wears people
down a little too much. This is like his fourth
team in the last or fourth time he's changed teams
in last four Sometimes that happens.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Just think about Jalen Ramsey, right, a guy with a
lot of talent.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
You want to bring him in.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
But eventually he's going to rub someone the wrong way,
So that happens.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
And think about this.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Remember twenty fifteen, the Denver Broncos, the No Flaizo. How
many of those guys were considered by other teams to
be villains.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Sometimes every hero needs a villain. I'll put it to
you that way. Every hero needs a villain.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Five reigning Defensive Rookie of the Year Jared Vers told
the media that in spite of his impressive rookie season,
he felt he left ten sacks at least on the
field in twenty twenty four. He finished the campaign with
four and a half sacks and a lot of pressures.
He also said that won't be happening anymore in regards
to leaving.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
The sacks on the field.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
What do you think are realistic expectations for Jared Verse
in year two? Do you think he could be an
All Pro or maybe even contend for Defensive Player.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Of the Year.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Well, I think you'd like to see that.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I think realistic expectations I mean, he had what four
and a half.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Sacks last year. I think he'd like to see him double
at total at the nine.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Yeah, I think he was like top ten or fifteen
in pressures. Yeah, the numbers din't quite right. I'm just
saying he didn't fit necessarily finish him all out.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
But yeah, I mean Ford a half said you'd like
to see him double that.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
He was a guy who was very disruptive last year.
I'll say that a guy was all over the banging
the table for the Broncos to get. They wound up
with a Boat Nicks in that draft. I don't think
anybody's too disappointing that.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
But yeah, verse, you know, I hate those guy's a limited.
We see him out there working out with Aaron Donald
and all that kind of stuff lately, you know, I mean,
he looks like he's approaching things the right way.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Here's the one thing about a player performing well at
any position.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Not everyone has film.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Everyone knows how to attack you, everyone knows how to
somewhat sit you up. But as far as being Defensive
Player of the Year, here's a lot that goes into that.
Gentleman for anyone guy to win that award, So mus
wait and see, because if he wins this war, that
means that the offense on the Sean McVay they were
clicking because now they put the pressure on opposing teams
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and now burs had an opportunity to get out.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
To the quarterback six.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Regarding PS two, Broncos legend and NFL Hall of Famer
Champ Bailey told the Denver Post his ceiling or quote,
his ceiling is as high as anybody that's ever played
the game. If he gets any better than he is now,
he'll be mentioned among the greats.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Do you win Defensive Player of the Year this young
and you've got more years ahead of you. I still
don't feel like he's peaked yet. What do you make
of these comments from one of the Denver Broncos all
time greats? And do you think PS two has this
untapped level he's referencing that could eventually land himself in
the goat cornerback debate?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I think so, you know, I don't know if there's
a next level.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I think there's stuff, but I think a lot of
that's gonna come because I think adding Jade Barron, getting
Riley Moss back healthy team's gonna have to throw at
pat certain a little bit more, and and that's a dangerous,
dangerous thing to do, you know. I I think he
could be more productive in the next few years if
they keep that defense together and that in that way,
because you know, you just can't throw at those guys
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and and so you're gonna have to distribute the football.
Is gonna get more chances and probably take advantage of them.
So I think Champ would know the position better than anybody.
And if he says it again, who am I to
who am I to disagree?
Speaker 4 (29:34):
I believe that PSU will have that ability, but I
don't it's gonna be like the Deion Sanders where they're
not throwing at you a lot, but you still have
that that kind of cachet, in that level of respect.
Because what you said with today Baron and Robbie Moss,
those are the guys that are going to get the
bulk of the passing attempts, not PS two. So he's
(29:55):
gonna get there by default, but it's going to be
based on a level of respect based on what we've
seen that he can do.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
So we've got to see his.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Numbers, problems, interceptions, dwindle.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
But that's out of fear of throwing in his particular direction.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
But it is not mistaken that he is to me
second coming of two four, my former teammate, because.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
He just has an all around game. Yeah, it's remarkable.
I mean, the Defensive Player of the Year thing I
think points out that maybe he could reach those crazy heights.
It's something I mean, despite how amazing that two thousand
and six season was, Champ Ailey didn't get that Defensive
Player of the Year nod. Drell Reeves never got that
nod either. It's happened three times in the last thirty years,
and two of the other guys that did it were
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Deon Sanders, who talked about the ball production everything else.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
He was doing on the field.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Him being a huge.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Celebrity as well probably helped. And then Charles Woodson, who
has been playing cornerback in a different way, blitzing a lot,
getting a lot of sacks and fumbles and whatnot. Doing
it as a pure lockdown coverage guy is something I
think we've really only seen Stefan Gilmour do in the
last thirty years.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
That's the next evolution of PSW's game, which day Baron
and Roley Moss. Now you can move him into the slot.
Now you blitz him like a Charles Woodson, because that's
something that Chant wasn't able to do in our in
our defense.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
But now that takes him to a whole level.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
It's nothing like sacking the quarterback, not that I know
anything about it, because Tobrago's never seen me all tacks
to sack the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah, and if you're gonna stays define Gil, we got
to say. Darrel Rivis in there too, were talking about
lockdown corners. Oh yeah, he just didn't get the hardware. Unfortunately,
Darrel Rivis is the dude he is.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Yeah, he's that man.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
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Speaker 5 (00:36):
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Speaker 3 (00:48):
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
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Speaker 3 (01:00):
Oh oh my god.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
The power of playing with tempo.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah, you know what, here's the craziest thing.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
And I don't know why we don't see it that
much here in Denver, and we've seen this with several
offensive coordinators not really using utilizing the altitude and the
way that they can. Because when you think about tempo
what it does to a defense, it does allow the
defensive coordinator to sub out players.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Whomever's on the.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Field, it gets tapping their heads and falling on the
ground trying to get out of the game.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
But you are able to set the.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Pace from an offensive standpoint, and if you practice that
on a given practice, you not only groove your offensive line,
but you prepare your defensive players.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
For quick actions, being able to.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Get the plays in as quickly as possible, maybe playing
from a wristband, because you know that players at some
point defensively, you're going to be in this position where
someone's gonna go hurry and we're gonna run two minutes.
That way, everyone's thinking on the same page. You know
how to get the plays in and then you don't
have to worry about any players just being dispersed as
far as what have we got, Ben, what's the call
(02:12):
they're lining up? I don't have the call. You don't
have to worry about that. Because when Vic Fangiel was here,
we saw that happen. And if you watch any NFL
game from last year, you want to see a couple
of big plays or teams convert third downs because the
defense it wasn't that they didn't understand the tempo, they
just couldn't get lined up to execute it.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, and that's I mean. It creates all kinds of proles.
We've certainly seen it at the collegiate level. In the
high school levels who are playing with tempo like that
has benefited teams quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And you and I've talked about this before. We've talked
about you.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Know, why don't the Denver Broncos adapt this at least
to use here at home? Maybe maybe on the opening series,
catch the people napping, or come out at halftime catching
people nap it and put them back on their heels
with a go go offense, you know, And I'd like
to for me, for the life of me, I don't
understand it. It seems like we have a built in advantage
(03:03):
here that we just disregard, and.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
For me is take advantage of everything that is presented
to you.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
That's one way to equalize or bring balance to a
defense that may be better than yours or an offense
that has a little more superior firepower than you do.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Right, run a hurry up.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Now. Some would argue, well, if you're planning against a
team that can score points, you want to be able
to slow down the pace because you may score too quickly,
giving them entirely too much time. Yeah, that's the thing,
And honestly to me, that's when you need to have
a Nascar type of offense or you can speed it up,
you can slow it down, but if you do have
an offense here in this altitude that you can break
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down and.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Increase your number of explosive plans.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Because once again, all of this framework is built around
one person to one person to be successful. And that's
both Nicks give him the tools and a weaponry to allow.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Him to do that.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
But also Ben not where call just from the sideline
and Sam Payne's like, well I want to run too
minute here. No, both should be more equipped and understanding
the office in year two where this is say Sean
Payton gives them the keys to the car. They say, well,
when you see it, make it happen. Yeah, I would
love to see that happen.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And you don't want to do something like, as we
talk about this philosophy, we don't want to do something
that isn't beneficial to the to the guys if they
can't handle it. But if they can handle it, I mean,
it just feels like having that sort of advantage where
you have the conditioning advantage, uh.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
And you can catch the team. You could catch some
teams napping.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Here it guy's tired, and you know, add points to
the board early, and it puts you in an entirely
different frame of mind if you can score quickly, and
you can score early in games, so you're not quick
with it early in games, put the points up early
in games. Get another team playing from from par or
playing from behind. It changes the way that your defense
can play too. It's not just beneficial the offense. It's
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beneficial to the defense can pin their ears back. You
know they're not They don't have to sit at home
and then check to see if the run's coming and
all that kind of stuff. You get up field, you're
going after their passer and harassing them, and that changes
as you go more one dimensional. That way, you get
diminishing returns as an offense. So for me, I look
at this as a no brainer, what's holding us back?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I was.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Like Parlker Gaber said, great question. I don't have the
answer to that.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
But because it's it seems like a no brainer, why
not go out and use it now? Some would probably
would say last year Bowl was in the embassy stages
of learning the offense. So you can't go too much
hurry up because it may throw things off. And here's
another part of going hurry up when the team knows
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you like to do that. Now, the opposing defense they thinking, okay,
but we're going to simplify.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
A game plan. So usually they would go hands and
hands means cover two.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Right, So okay, well, how do you exploit cover two
for verticals? Right? You got you say they checking the
cover two, we're gonna hit him with four verticals.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
They were gonna hit him again.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
And then there's gonna be some defensive lineman who's huffing
and puffing.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Hands on knees. Right, he's not torking, but he got
hands on knees.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
He's looking to the sideline and he's asking for someone
to kind of give him a break.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
And then you run another play, and you run another play.
You got to gas them out.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
And I know Chip Kelly tribe this when he was
with Philadelphia, it didn't really work because you didn't have
as many players on the NFL rosters collegiately. Yeah, right,
But if you practice that now doing mini camp OTAs
and then training camp, now you're well equipped.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Now you know what set of plays that we can run.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Because we've seen that restaurant menu that Sean Payton and
other coaches have have that you basically have it in
your two minute offense, right, why not running into a
team's defensive we can stop it.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
That's my whole point.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Well, I'm with you on that. I think that's I
think that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Is this bug?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I mean, I guess I understand for for a little
bit like roster construction and not having enough bodies and
be worried about that kind of thing. But I don't know, man.
I think you can run it at intervals. You don't
have to run all the time.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I don't have to.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
But if you can run it situationally coming out of
the coming out of the gate after kickoff, you know
when people are you know, just getting to the flow
of things or coming out of halftime and people are
trying to get back in the flow of things. To me,
it feels like there are situations where you can do that.
You can build in you know, three hots. You know,
you can build in three three different all plays.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Hey, we were hurrying out we get first down conversion,
We're hurry up and we've got a built in dive
you know or whatever. On first day we got some
built in run play on first down. But if they
get heavy in the box, I'm checking the all goes
or you know whatever. There are ways you can you
could build into this, and it feels like you can
do it simply. Maybe I'm off on that, you know,
but it feels like it we need a coach to
come into the NFL and.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Say, hey, okay, all right, I got something.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
We mean we need a coach.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Well, we Rockls currently have a coach, I mean job
Bady and running can he not?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I mean he could. I don't see him doing that,
but I would love for him too.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
But to me, that's advantageous, right, I'm with you on it,
But you would have been talking about this since, you know,
before it Haate Hackett got hired.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
How do we how are we?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
What can we do to rev up the offensive production here?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
And you know for me, tempo it changes.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I mean, lack of oxygen to the brain affects your
decision making matrix.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Trust me, you know.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I yes, if someone were you, were you oxygen deprived
and someone saying, hey man, what's your name?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
You have no idea? Yeah? Once I playing Kansas City
Monday night football.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
This is a game where I had like sixty yards
of penalties by myself and I tried to avoid Mike Shanahan.
It was one of those games where I took my
mouthpiece and just threw it away.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I threw it away because I could.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Not breathe, and I felt as though the mouthpiece was
restricting my ability to take.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
In air and exhale air.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
And when the calls was coming in, it was like,
what John, what was the call?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Here?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Tell me the call. I'm like, okay. Two seconds later,
I guess what I'm asking him, hey man, what was
that call?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Again? And then two seconds.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
After that before they blew the planet, hey man, what's
the call?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
So you were so gazzed that you.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Can't remember certain things, And to me, that's what you
want to do because you know this, I mean the
lack of oxygen that you have.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
You can't process stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
You can see it, but your mind can't process it
where your feet and your body actually moves.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
So since we know that, why don't we press that button?
And like you said, the Broncos and Champagne, they don't
have to call it on every.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Single play, but just know when you need a momentum
turn or coming out of halftime where the Broncos struggled
mightily last season score points coming out of halftime. That
wasn't a great quarter for them, that third quarter, This
is an opportunity to steal a couple of plays.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, and then for me, any opportunity that you have
to kind of add to first of all, all add
to the plate of your opponents having to practice against
you going forward, but also in game, you know, allowing
you to put yourself in position to get more points early.
The more points you could bank early, the better off
you're going to be, just statistically, the better off you're
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going to be across the board, you know. And you
forced teams to play from behind, forced teams to play,
you know, a game that they maybe they have to
pare down their own playbook, and it makes it easier.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
So for me, as we as we talk about that
over and over. It just feels like maybe this is
the year.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Maybe bo got immersed in Sean Payton's offense. Now maybe
this year maybe we can maybe add some tempo to
it and and get it up and go, especially if
we can get running backs that can pickup yardage on
early downs.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
So another department that Broncos struggle positive yards on first
down because usually we see the Broncos last season a
lot of third and long situation. Some may converted, some
they didn't. And when you and a lot of third
and long situations, it makes it really difficult for you
as a signal call, Like you practice all these plays
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all week long and you hope to be in second
to management plays, but you're not. And since you're not,
you got to dig into crazy and say, okay, well,
how many third and ten to fourteen play jr. Plays
do we have? And I'm there to say you don't
have many. Because the play that most people run the
deep over play with one of the receivers, or they
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run a play with the dagger concept where they get
two inside verticals and then the outside guy. I had
the motion the line he comes in and run a
twelve yard dig route those are your typical ways. Now
your other one is maybe a back show to fade
or you go to Joe Flacco route.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Right there you go.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Joe Flacco crawl, so SGA could run there you go
just for the whistle.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
It's one of those things. But that's how you matriculate
the ball down the field. The Broncos offense, with Bold
being in his second year in the scheme, I mean,
there's a multitude of things that they can do that
A hope Sean Payton decides to do that and running
with more tempo can help because we saw last season
when they when they just kind of dip their toe
in that pool.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Themes looked a little different offensively.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, and that's it really is something that I think
they can they can use and expand on this year.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
A couple other things I wanted to get to.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Is it possible that this team could maybe average less
statistically in certain categories this year but still be better,
I e. Maybe fewer passes, fewer passing yardage, but still
be better because the run game is picked up.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Yeah, Because for me, Ben, it's now fewer passing plays,
but that means as though you're more efficient with the
passing plays that you actually call, and there's more efficiencies
with the run play because now when we're talking about
now not being in third and long getting positive yards
on first down, right, making those plays easier to call
(12:57):
than they execute, especially known as though, I mean you're
second and five, second and six, Hey you got Evan Ingram,
run a shallow route or run a return round and
just dump it to him in the flats.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, it's the first down.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
And I think having Ingram will also help in what
they can do in terms of spacing things out, you know,
and keeping people get You can't stack the box, you know,
Sean Payton wants to run a ball in first down.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
He likes to run a ball in first down.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
But I think having an Evan Ingram there where if
you're stacking the box and you can send Ingram just
just over, you know, just over the back side of
those linebackers and put the ball in his hands.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I think a couple of those early on in.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
The Yeah, but ban, but here's what you need.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
But here's what you're talking about that we don't really
truly see from the Broncos offense because we see Bo
operating from the shotgun a lot so you got your RPOs.
But what you're saying using Evan Ingram, now that's under center.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, that's play action. You know, we don't.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
We didn't really see a lot of those plays as
far as in bulk that could be, that could change.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I'd like to see a change. I'd like to see
a lot more of that we did. We didn't really
get a lot of that last year. I think there
are a lot of things that trying to get on
Nick's feet wet and get him ready, and you know
that that got paired out or taken out last year,
and I'd like to see a lot of that stuff
added back in.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I again, I think everybody when Sean Payton was hired,
was expecting the Drew Brees, you know, five thousand yard
passing numbers, all that kind of stuff every year.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
You know what, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And I don't yeah, and I don't think that's I
think you could be a better team without having the
better statistics when all said and done on those.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I truly believe that too.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
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Speaker 5 (15:00):
Starting off here with the Green Bay Packers, who released
former All Pro cornerback JayR Alexander. Today he hits allowing
him to hit the open market. They were unable to
trade him this offseason, which led to the two teams
parting ways. Reportedly, the Buffalo Bills were one of the
teams who got into advanced trade negotiations with the Packers
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over the former All Pro cornerback. Could Jaire Alexander push
a team like the Buffalo Bills over the top and.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Where do you expect him to sign? I don't expect
him to sign in Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
They wound up going ahead and drafting Maxwell Harrison in
the first round at corner instead of trading for shy
Early Sander. They've already got tarn Johnson and the nickel
Christian Benneford looks like a solid star on the outside,
and they brought Tredevius White back as well, so they've
they've got bodies, you know at the corner position. I
don't see him signing there. The question is gonna be
(15:57):
who's gonna pay him? Because that's that's what he wants.
Who's got money to be able to pay him? You know,
there are teams.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Out there to do. But most of the teams that
do have corners, especially you know, you look at New England,
they're they're pretty set, you know, on the on the
defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You look at maybe maybe Cleveland, they get a little
bit of money, could pay him over there.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
But most of the teams you would think.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Would would want him right now, don't really fit.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Don't only fit what he does.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
You know, I say there is a team out there,
I don't know where they are from the salary cap standpoint,
but just defensively, the San Francisco forty nine ers with
Robert Sala returning as their defensive coordinator. That defense when
I was there, it was built on being able to
disrupt the quarterback, great excellent second level lineback play from
(16:46):
a guy like Fred Warner, but also being really solid
and tough on the corners.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
So being his thomele.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Alexander play with the Packers and Jeff Hapley def is
a coordinator who was a DV coach in San Francisco
when I was there.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I mean there is a relationship there.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Based on the scheme and how is coast up, I
would say that San Francisco financing, financing is not being issue.
That would be a good lenus. But for dear your year, Alexander,
the forty nine.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Ers have the second most available cap space to work
with right now over forty million, So finances shouldn't be
an issue there.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Well, they do short term, they short they have this
is year.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
It probably wouldn't be a long term deal with it
to a year deal.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
I was just say a lot of that money. Yeah,
he's the only twenty seven years old. He's still got
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Less than the tech, but he's it balloons the Niners
cap situation balloons next year with the brock Purty stuff,
and that's where you're really that's where you really.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Have some issues.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
But do you think he'll be in line for a
big contract with the injury issues, him being somewhat of
a headache. I mean, Prevay actively was trying to get
rid of him this offseason and was unable to find
anyone interested in tracking for him.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
At this point.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
We've seen was a lot of NFL teams over the
past couple of years, espectly with skilled players they're willing,
the teams willing to gamble.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
On themselves and say, well, we'll give you a one
year deal.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
Right.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Just think about Nick Chubb. He's got a one year
deal with for the Texas, So like a prove it deal.
We're going to rich you for a year. If we
like you, maybe we can stand you. If not, we're
just going to allow your veteran experience to give us
an opportunity to build up that guy that particular position.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
So yeah, I'm sure that there's.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
A team pent it's just on the market long enough.
Someone's going to probably pick him up. But a low contract.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Sourcing tell me that Washington might be interesting, interesting to know.
Next step here more green Bay News. Green Bay Packers
quarterback Jordan Loves said, it's going to be awesome. I'm
excited for it. I can't wait to be on different
sides meeting up. I know we'll talk, pregame things like that,
(18:52):
and then hopefully we.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Can exchange jerseys.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
After about his impending matchup with Aaron Rodgers and the
Pittsburgh Steelers, do you think Jordan Love will be looking
to settle any scores That week, when the Packers traveled
to Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, or do you think it really is
a friendly relationship slash rivalry.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I would say that Aaron Rodgers would be the one looking.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
To settle scores, not.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Not Jordan Long.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I mean Love didn't do anything other than get drafted
by the Packers and wait his turn.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Aaron Rodgers might be.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
The one trying to stick it to him, you know
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
As far as that kind of stuff goes.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, I don't think Jordan Love is I don't think
Jordan cares to be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Well, he only cares from the fact that he's following
the tradition that Brett farsat that Aaron Rodgers upgrade it
that now has been left and put in his hands.
So from that standpoint, yeah, he does care. I mean
to be the guy who is considered a Hall of Famer,
regardless of what you think about Aaron Rodgers as a
(19:53):
player or anything he does off the field.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
He's a Hall of Fame player, so be able to
beat him.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
That says a lot for Jordan Love, but also says
more it's for the.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Organization where a trending beating the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Say what you want to say, but the Steelers with
Aaron Rodgers still puts them in their playoff type of window.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
But you're right, Ben, this is more of a.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Thing for Aaron Rodgers where he wants to tell the
Green Bay Padrews, hey, just when the sun doesn't shine.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
So yeah, I mean, I think he cares in the
sense that he wants to win. Beyond that, I just
got you know, I can't picture Jordan Love put a
lot of stock into it though, no.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Heart feelings you think over the Flaccos commentorship.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I don't think it's Jordan Love's team and he's gotten
paid now. I don't think they're I mean maybe I
just want to see after the game. Are they gonna
swap jersey? Yeah, I want to.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
See they see that. I think that's less likely to happen.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Three the other end of the Aaron Rodgers equation, the
Pittsburgh Steelers have officially signed Aaron Rodgers to a one
year deal worth thirteen point five million dollars. Is it
more likely this move leads to the Steelers snapping their
playoff wind drought by the way they haven't want to
play games since twenty sixteen, or that results in Mike
(21:04):
Tomlin's first losing season.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
It remains to be seen.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I don't like that fit for Aaron Rodgers. I think
he just wanted to play and that was the only
team that had take him. He's never played in Arthur
Smith offense. Ever, I don't I don't like to fit.
I don't like the personnel. You look at that offensive line,
it's not all that good, you know, protecting him his age.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
We've seen what's happened with the injuries.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Over the last couple of years, and I wonder, you know,
if it goes bad, at what point he checks out.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
It'd be fascinating to see.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I think you're probably closer to Mike Tomlin's first losing season,
although Tomlin has been an excellent coach and managed to
manage to coach his way through all kinds of personalities.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Well, because Tomlin has been able to coach his way
through so many personalities, I think he'll be able to
do that with Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is trying to
submit his legacy. He wants to remove that sour taste
in everyone's mouth as far as what took place with
him in the New York Jets, and Tomland has heard
so many people complain that he needs to be traded,
(22:12):
and the idea is that he's not a great coach.
And like you said, how many playoff games has he won?
Speaker 3 (22:17):
He's appeared in a lot.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
So I do believe that Aaron Rodgers has enough in
the tank to get the Stills over the hump and
actually not only get him into playoffs, but possibly get
him a playoff win.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I'd be pretty amazing.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
Ben, you mentioned the maybe awkward fit with Arthur Smith.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I'm curious do you think.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
The Matt Lafloor mutual relationship could potentially help anything out?
But Arthur Smith was under the floor in Tennessee, and
then before it goes there helps Sparon Rodgers win a
couple MVPs.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Yeah, but they're not.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I mean, it's not the same offense. And Laflour was
there and then he bolted and Spit took over. When
Spitz took over, it was a totally different offense. I
don't know. I mean maybe, but I'm sure there's a
way that Smith would understand.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
How to transition the verb for him and make it easier.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
But still the offense conceptually what Arthur Smith wants to
do versus what it is that Lafleur and wants to
do and what Aaron Rodgers wants to Aaron Rodgers wants
to run dep ISOs, Lafleur wants his own run with
you know, and build off play action and under centered
deep crossers. And Arthur Smith wants the running back to
(23:22):
get the ball all the time and the backup.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Tight end.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Or Chauncey Gardner Johnson says he felt disrespected by the
Philadelphia Eagles when they decided to trade him to the
Houston Texans this offseason, despite his contributions to their Super
Bowl run in twenty twenty four. Well, the Eagles regret
moving on from Gardner Johnson In your estimation and where
(23:49):
do you think Houston's secondary now ranks among the league's.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Best, They might, I mean, Gardner Johnson is one of
those guys we're talking about earlier about villain.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
He's one of those guys that fits that role.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
He's one of those guys that that gives you a
little bit of edge, gives you a.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Little nasty on your defense.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
And while he's sort of worn out as welcome a
couple of places, he's also a very good football player.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
And they may they may regret that.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I still think the Eagles secondary is is plenty good,
you know, I mean it is playing there's a front step.
It's ridiculous, but I mean they felt like they could
move on without him. They just want a Super Bowl.
Who am I to sit there and you know, then criticize.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Well, Howie Roseman kind of took a page out of
Bill Belichick and the Patriots philosophy where they're gonna move
on from players maybe two to three years before they
need to.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
And he said they won a championship.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Obviously, you think if you try to keep a lot
of guys in house, a lot of retention. But in
his mind, it's better to move on from players and
just kind of keep recycling and rebuilding. That philosophy may
work for Philadelphia and this possibility it may bide him in.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
A their year.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
I try to kind of figure out the proper way
to say that. But when I think about the Houston
Texans adding another.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Weapon defensively, you got to think about it.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I mean, when you got Will Anderson on the corners, right,
and you have Hunter as well, if you get those
guys coming after the quarterback noring as though you can
hold up, hey, you can play man coverage in the
back end. I mean, if you see j Strout, I
mean you're happy about this move. So for me, I
think this is probably a better move for the Texans
(25:29):
than it is for the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, I mean, you know, the Texans definitely acquired a
talent and he'll step right into this strong safety role.
But that's it. I mean, the Eagles didn't lose a starter.
Carter Johnson was really a starter for them. He's a
rotational guy of safety, you know, whereas he'll be a
you know, he'll be a starter for the Texans. So
and it's a pretty lethal secondary they got with Stingley
over there too.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
So you know, I'm just.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Saying, right, the Texans are in a Bronco schedule this year, right,
I believe they are.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
Great matchup between those two. Interesting yep.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
And by the way, the Houston Texans return all of
their starters on defense last year, with the exception of
Trump safety where they got Carter.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Jobs that's a nice upgrade.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
And then do you think CJ.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
GJ seems to be this guy that just wears people
down a little too much. This is like his fourth
team in the last or fourth time he's changed teams
in last four Sometimes that happens.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Just think about Jalen Ramsey, right, a guy with a
lot of talent.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
You want to bring him in.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
But eventually he's going to rub someone the wrong way,
So that happens.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
And think about this.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Remember twenty fifteen, the Denver Broncos, the No Flaizo. How
many of those guys were considered by other teams to
be villains.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Sometimes every hero needs a villain. I'll put it to
you that way. Every hero needs a villain.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Five reigning Defensive Rookie of the Year Jared Vers told
the media that in spite of his impressive rookie season,
he felt he left ten sacks at least on the
field in twenty twenty four. He finished the campaign with
four and a half sacks and a lot of pressures.
He also said that won't be happening anymore in regards
to leaving.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
The sacks on the field.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
What do you think are realistic expectations for Jared Verse
in year two? Do you think he could be an
All Pro or maybe even contend for Defensive Player.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Of the Year.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Well, I think you'd like to see that.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I think realistic expectations I mean, he had what four
and a half.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Sacks last year. I think he'd like to see him double
at total at the nine.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Yeah, I think he was like top ten or fifteen
in pressures. Yeah, the numbers din't quite right. I'm just
saying he didn't fit necessarily finish him all out.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
But yeah, I mean Ford a half said you'd like
to see him double that.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
He was a guy who was very disruptive last year.
I'll say that a guy was all over the banging
the table for the Broncos to get. They wound up
with a Boat Nicks in that draft. I don't think
anybody's too disappointing that.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
But yeah, verse, you know, I hate those guy's a limited.
We see him out there working out with Aaron Donald
and all that kind of stuff lately, you know, I mean,
he looks like he's approaching things the right way.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Here's the one thing about a player performing well at
any position.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Not everyone has film.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Everyone knows how to attack you, everyone knows how to
somewhat sit you up. But as far as being Defensive
Player of the Year, here's a lot that goes into that.
Gentleman for anyone guy to win that award, So mus
wait and see, because if he wins this war, that
means that the offense on the Sean McVay they were
clicking because now they put the pressure on opposing teams
(28:15):
and now burs had an opportunity to get out.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
To the quarterback six.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Regarding PS two, Broncos legend and NFL Hall of Famer
Champ Bailey told the Denver Post his ceiling or quote,
his ceiling is as high as anybody that's ever played
the game. If he gets any better than he is now,
he'll be mentioned among the greats.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Do you win Defensive Player of the Year this young
and you've got more years ahead of you. I still
don't feel like he's peaked yet. What do you make
of these comments from one of the Denver Broncos all
time greats? And do you think PS two has this
untapped level he's referencing that could eventually land himself in
the goat cornerback debate?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I think so, you know, I don't know if there's
a next level.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I think there's stuff, but I think a lot of
that's gonna come because I think adding Jade Barron, getting
Riley Moss back healthy team's gonna have to throw at
pat certain a little bit more, and and that's a dangerous,
dangerous thing to do, you know. I I think he
could be more productive in the next few years if
they keep that defense together and that in that way,
because you know, you just can't throw at those guys
(29:20):
and and so you're gonna have to distribute the football.
Is gonna get more chances and probably take advantage of them.
So I think Champ would know the position better than anybody.
And if he says it again, who am I to
who am I to disagree?
Speaker 4 (29:34):
I believe that PSU will have that ability, but I
don't it's gonna be like the Deion Sanders where they're
not throwing at you a lot, but you still have
that that kind of cachet, in that level of respect.
Because what you said with today Baron and Robbie Moss,
those are the guys that are going to get the
bulk of the passing attempts, not PS two. So he's
(29:55):
gonna get there by default, but it's going to be
based on a level of respect based on what we've
seen that he can do.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
So we've got to see his.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Numbers, problems, interceptions, dwindle.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
But that's out of fear of throwing in his particular direction.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
But it is not mistaken that he is to me
second coming of two four, my former teammate, because.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
He just has an all around game. Yeah, it's remarkable.
I mean, the Defensive Player of the Year thing I
think points out that maybe he could reach those crazy heights.
It's something I mean, despite how amazing that two thousand
and six season was, Champ Ailey didn't get that Defensive
Player of the Year nod. Drell Reeves never got that
nod either. It's happened three times in the last thirty years,
and two of the other guys that did it were
(30:37):
Deon Sanders, who talked about the ball production everything else.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
He was doing on the field.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Him being a huge.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Celebrity as well probably helped. And then Charles Woodson, who
has been playing cornerback in a different way, blitzing a lot,
getting a lot of sacks and fumbles and whatnot. Doing
it as a pure lockdown coverage guy is something I
think we've really only seen Stefan Gilmour do in the
last thirty years.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
That's the next evolution of PSW's game, which day Baron
and Roley Moss. Now you can move him into the slot.
Now you blitz him like a Charles Woodson, because that's
something that Chant wasn't able to do in our in
our defense.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
But now that takes him to a whole level.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
It's nothing like sacking the quarterback, not that I know
anything about it, because Tobrago's never seen me all tacks
to sack the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah, and if you're gonna stays define Gil, we got
to say. Darrel Rivis in there too, were talking about
lockdown corners. Oh yeah, he just didn't get the hardware. Unfortunately,
Darrel Rivis is the dude he is.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Yeah, he's that man.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
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