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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Short show post Rockies edition, Rocky's taken on the San
Francisco Giants and we've got the og Ran Edwards in
the house. What's going on, brother? I'm good man, how
are you? I'm doing pretty well? Well, hot and sweaty
from uh watching watching mandatory mini camp, which you know
there will mandatorily be.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Another body there tomorrow. That's that's correct. We found out
literally in the waning moments of practice that JK. Dobbins
is signing a one year, five point two five million
dollar contract with the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Pretty good stuff. What are your initials thoughts on this backfield?
And I say that RJJK, Yeah, he's do what he
did there? Yeah, no, I mean I love it. I
absolutely love it. You know, we saw it said for
a while that you'd like to raise the floor of
the running back room. He's going to have a role.
He's going to have a significant role.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
And honestly, it was the one position I think a
lot of people pointed to and we talked about inside linebacker.
But it's not like they haven't addressed inside linebacker. They
have addressed inside linebacker. But it is the one position
where you you drafted a guy and then you're largely
just had most of your room coming back with the
exception of Vane, and it felt like.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It was in an incomplete room to be honest.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I mean maybe some of these guys pop You're basing
a lot of your assessment of the room until this
move on projection, and unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You just you just needed more.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
And so fortunately on the other side of that, George
Peyton and Sean Payton they recognized that and got the
deal done. And I think for a five point two
five milli million, which by the way, I think is
tied with Naji Harris's deal on a one year is
very telling on what kind of role or what kind
of expectations they have for him here. This is not
a proven deal like he was with the Chargers last year,
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where he's a prized people.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
This is you have a carved out role with this team. Yeah,
I think the one thing, I mean, one year deal.
I still believe a one year deal would still sort
of be a proven deal in a sense. I mean,
but obviously with the amount of money attached to it,
you know there is there is a role for it.
Is there any concern about the fact that Dobbins started
so hot last year. I mean, I mean just incredibly hot.
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Those first two games, he had a insane amount of yardage,
and then after that it was kind of you know,
he averaging three point a to carry that kind of stuff. Now,
in his defense, on that he was kind of the
only back that they really had because the gust bus
wasn't running and all that kind of stuff. So, you know,
maybe in a more contained role this year, the high
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production of the early season doesn't grind him down very quickly,
and he's still able to maintain that. I think the
think about it me, this is an all purpose back.
He blocks well, he catches well, he obviously runs well.
I'm excited by this. I mean, obviously we've been talking
about this for quite some time, but it's it's finally
come to fruition. And I think Sean didn't want to
talk about it today at all, which is fine. I
(02:40):
am sure we'll get into it a little bit more
with him tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
In fact, I hope we get to see Jka out
there in the practice field for the second day of
mandatory mini camp.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
But I don't I'm starting to not think this is
bad news for Juliel.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
You know, Initially my thought was this This move when
it does happen, will be a tough deal for Julil McLoughlin.
Now again we're talking on June tenth. Things can change.
But watching Jaliel out there in the role that he
is carved out in the offense, and again it's it's
so hard to read into who's running with who right
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because and I can't tip my hand too much on
what we saw because that they won't let us.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
But I don't know, man, the way JK.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Dobbins plays that is that is more of an odrict
estimate issue. Like odric estimate, I think is the guy
that I would worry about if I'm on this roster
right now? It's certainly Tyler today. But I think they're
going to try to hide and stash.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, you put him on the practice squad, which anymore,
I mean, you don't have to stash guys. He just
put him on the practice squad. You have to call
ups and all that kind of stuff. Maybe, I mean,
you know, Jilliel, he has the short area quicks. The
long speed is still obviously insufficient. I was standing there
watching a run that he did. It was off the
left side. I can't remember for the swing pass, nowur
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if it was a run, I think it was a
swing pass actually, but he took off the way and
pats are tan caught in from behind with a bad
angle from across the field, you know. And it's one
of those things. And not that that's any slouts mean,
Pats or ten is very fast human being, but you know,
I mean, if you are that type of running back
who's got that fourth gear, you know what I'm talking about,
the home bowles up a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
So I mean to your to your point, yes, I
mean that he's on here for his straight line speed
and his quicks right.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
And uckness is his is his selling point. I mean,
that's that's what he is. But he's north, you know,
like he he hits top speed pretty quick, but the
top speed is not you know, his top speed sixty five.
He can't get it at that eighty ninety mile an hour,
you know what I'm talking about. And I say sixty
flow because he didn't think Pat would catch him. I
don't really know, but ye that before he sees one
of those guys that like lacks the like elite elite
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long speed for a guy his size. That's and that's
one of those things you saw. It was it this
Tampa game where he was racing to the corner and
almost got caught. Remember you got that touchdown and I
remember he almost got caught by lot out of position
line back. Yeah, and that's one of those things like
I don't wrong, love him, love the story, you know,
all that kind of stuff, but there's also a reason
that you know he was where he was and when undrafted,
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those kinds of things, and it's the measurables. Those things
do ultimately matter, and you can Julia has proven he
can play in this league. But those things do ultimately
matter in the sense of, you know, once you start
looking at target shairs or touch shares and things like that,
it starts adding up. I think that people who have
been drafting R. J. Harvey in these early fantasy drafts,
I think that Stock takes a little bit of a
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hit here because I think he eats into as you
were talking about we talking about estimate in McLoughlin. I
think he eats into a lot of Harvey stuff too.
I mean they're interchangeable backs in a lot of ways.
Dobbin's a better pass protection, which he should be. It's
a little bit bigger, little runs, a little authority, but they're
sort of interchangeable guys, and I think that's what they wanted,
like getting those guys out there. You put one or
the other on the field. Now all of a sudden,
you don't necessarily know what you're doing. You're not tipping
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your hand, whereas you had archetypes, when you had Estima
and Harvey and McLoughlin, and you kind of based on
who is out there, you were going to know what
they're doing.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Right then this, this again raises the floor of the
room overall. I just to say with Julie, I'm slow.
I'm gonna slow down a little bit on my I
think this is bad news and he's going to be
the guy that's going to lose out as a result
of this. But but you do say one thing, and
I think it's an important thing that we noted last
year that when he was on the field, you were
tipping your hand at times to what you were going
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to be running. And that's something that's got to change
right away.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Unless you're run in two back sets, unless you're if
you find a way to, you know, use him as
like a jet back and do a little bump passes
or running a gun you know, gun split back where
you've got you know, both guys, and you are tipping
your hand when he's out there. Was the same thing
with Phil Lindsay, when you had Phil out there, you know,
you were tipping your hand on what you were doing.
You knew they were running the ball because he wasn't
pass protecting and he didn't really catch that well, so
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you kind of knew what you were doing. And so
that's one of those things to get again. And I
think they finally got their veteran voice in the room.
We've we've been talking about that again. We've been talking
about this for a while, but getting that veteran voice
in the room. I think they like to have a
veteran voice in each you know, in each room, and
they've got one now in the running back room. I
think Dobbins is an upgrade off Chavante. H oh, absolutely,
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you know. I mean it's always at last year if
nothing else well, and both of them came back from
the same injury. Chavante's further along in the comeback from
that agine now he came back from another acl you know,
on top of that. But but you know, Dobbins is
a guy is a work a worker, guy who's worked
his way back from severe injury multiple times, and so
that's something to I mean, again, on the one hand,
there's the injury prone thing, but on the other hand,
you've seen a guy who's seen it, done it, and
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you know what, you know, you have a sort of
known commodity. I think the other thing that we're not
really talking about here that is inherently valuable is his
knowledge of the offense and defense of someone else in
the division. You know, the Chargers, the newest, the newcomer
to the division. Well, I say the newcomer. It was
the newcomer last year. Now it's of course the Raiders,
And so I think there is an inherent value in
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that too. Now you can start gameplay, you've got to win.
Look at this schedule, so you've got to win those
Chargers games. You've got to win division games this year.
I mean, it's it's a tough schedule this year. That's
what happens. When you win games, you get a tougher schedule.
And so, you know, I think having Dobbins here helps
out in that regard too. Well.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I mean, of course it doesn't hurt, right, I know,
the team coaches specifically will often downplay that the knowledge
you get, the institutional knowledge you get from players that
were on former teams. But there's got to be something
to that. And he obviously had some success. They had
success against the Broncos. They beat them both twice last year.
So you've got at least split to your point with
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the Chargers, And yeah, you got to have if your
mindset is the AFC West, you got to have your
eye on possibly taking both. You know, the Chargers have
an interesting start to the season because they are playing
the Chiefs in opening weekend, right, They're going to do
that in South Paalo. Then they got the Raiders in
week two, and they got the Broncos in week three.
They got division games right up the top of the
first three games. So it's going to be fascinating to
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see where they're at when these two teams see each
other in week three.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah, it really is. And I think, you know, I
think everybody looks at the Chiefs as the crown jewel
of the division. They have to be knocked off in
order to, you know whatever. But I think most people
kind of view the Chargers and the Broncos as sort
of equal footing on are on that second tier, and
I think having that knowledge, the Broncos tried to sign
a Chargers defensive lineman this offseas and doing unable to
do that and pun a forwards. So I think they're
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trying to get institutional knowledge on your competitors and also
bring good players over. Uh. I think is good practice.
Speaking of practice, so obviously we're out at Manda door
midicaip today. Not Bo's greatest throwing day, certainly, I don't
want to start this up again because last year. But
I'm like, I'm not worried about Boh at all, So
don't don't read that into it. I'm just saying it
wasn't one of his great as day. It really wasn't
one of a great day throwing, for he was underthrown,
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especially on the deep stead like the he he was
accurate on the you know, the usual underneath stuff, but
it was some of the deeper stuff. He's still trying
to find the timing and the you know and the
placement on backshoulder fades or some of the stuff. To
Pat Bryant. Uh, you know, they were there throwing some
of those deep balls that you're just like these are
not where they need to be. What was it sam
ailing or bad? Where your air mail? Was it Troutman's head?
(09:44):
I think there at the end? Who was Oh no, no,
it was yeah, Loaner eighty four, that's right, Yeah, it
was Loaner's heads. He's sixty seven right somehow, and and
Loner went up for it and the ball was still
three feet over his head from about five yards away.
It was it was bad.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, Bonick's and Lolan win out there today. Either it
wasn't a window, no, no, no, bonex to the first team offense.
Closed the practice really strong in the red zone they did.
They did some red zone there and you got a
couple of touchdowns, one to Pat Bryan in the back
of the end zone and then one to Lucas Croll
in the flat that he ended up running it in.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
So closed stronger, you know, And that's some of the
timing stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
It's always tough to know how much of that the
receiver and how much of that is bo because you
are you're not He's not throwing a corl Andton on
those passes, the ones that you're referencing like, you're not
throwing to your number one guy Evan Ingram Right, you're
not throwing to the guys that are gonna be out
there in those kinds of moments who he has been
working a lot with today and Novele as well. So
it's to say, I don't read really anything into this now.
(10:39):
If we're, you know, a couple of weeks into practice
training camp and the offense has one of these kinds
of practices, I think that's a little more notable. It's like, okay, well, hey,
let's you're two weeks into training camp and we're kind
of ramping things up and guys are not on the
same page. But here in mandatory mini camp, I mean,
you're you did a great job qualifying it. But I
just want to reemphasize there wasn't anything today that really
worried now whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And I'll go further with that. One day like that,
even in training camp, is not gonna bug me. It's
when you start to consist, if you have the consistent
days like that. But it mandatory mini camp, I mean,
guys have been off, they've been a cabo whatever else
like you know, this is you're just you're you're feeling
out some of your newer receivers and you're trying to
get the timing down, figure out what they can do,
what they can't do, that kind of stuff. I mean,
you really want to go back Pat mahomes second training camp,
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right before he became the you know, the starter for this.
She's obviously started that game for the Broncos, but against
the Broncos, but you know that training he was that
mini camper, mailing interceptions all over the place. People were
telling you, guys gonna be terrible and stuff like that.
I'm like, he just pumped the brakes man. They're getting
all they're testing all this stuff out. That's what they're doing.
And so the Broncos are doing that too. So like
with regard to and I tweeted it out with regard
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to that, don't you know it's not over it's you know,
it's it's not you know that kind of thing. It's
ourp over whatever we're using now, it's it's you know,
it was just an observation, wasn't the strongest then owing day? Okay, cool,
now you bank that and you move on.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I just noticed that you didn't tweet out good throwing
days for Bonix and the other practice.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
That's an expectation I don't need to. I don't need to. Yeah,
I know.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I'm just saying that, you know, you, you, being who
you are, take an opportunity to the first chance you get.
You're like, oh, Bill had a bad day, guess what,
I'm gonna run the twitter out.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
We were joking about that.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
By the way, you just ignoreded red zone at the
v very end of practice. Actually was the strongest part
of the team. I left to get back here. But
the some people didn't see. I know some people actually
stuck around and watched red Zone to something because I
don't have you know, these cushy diva afternoon jobs wearing
a full picture for the listeners. Some people want to
paint a Benjamin all Right framed picture.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I mean, it wasn't a great throwing day, period, but
he closed strong. Cool. What bully for you? Who said
nobody says that anymore. Nobody says that anymore. We gotta
we gotta bring that back, Believe for you. I don't
know if we needs do we to bring that? Okay?
I thought, uh, And we talked about McLoughlin a little bit.
I thought, mostly it was a strong day for him.
Somebody who you know, I think is on the cusp
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of probably the practice squad with this team. I think
what you what you wind up is a situation where
one of these running backs is out. It'll probably be uh,
what do we call it? Baby Biday? What are we
call what is he calling himself? Now? After he told
everybody to call him something else three different times. McLaughlin
would be the guy that could go to the practice
squad in that scenario, and then you know, bidet would
be be out. For those who are asking about Blake Watson,
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he's still injured and has not been, you know, obviously
out there playing PJ. Locke was was not out there.
He was injured at Perry had surgery, not out there.
There's a couple of guys that keep getting asked about
those kind of guys. The velet thing, no information really
on that. They just said they expect it was. Yeah,
there's a I was checking in with something. I'm still
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waiting for confirmation. If I get that, I'll tweet it out.
But there was there was a I had heard that
it was a possible family thing, not negative, but a
possible family thing. So I'll I'll continue to monitor it.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, I mean the way Sean framed it, and I
mean not that he's going to raise alarms intentionally, but
the way he framed it to the media afterwards, it
was like a nothing thing.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
So yeah, So if it is a nothing thing for Sean,
then it's a nothing thing for for Broncos fans. But
it's only because he's had such a great office line
and it was noticeable.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Cotton absence is noticeable.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
But I mean to the point like maybe that is
more of a conversation about how good Vele and how
important he is to this offense. They had a bit
of an off day, if you will. Now, well listen,
I am not I'm not going to give you what
you want here, but I'm going to do it anyway
because well listen, I'll give you.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I'll give you that. It wasn't a crisp day for
the first team offense, and there were some arrent passes.
I would say crisp day for most of the I
mean Stidham was okay, Ailinger was bad, and bo had
an atypical bow day. Yeah, I mean he had a
great first play touchdown touchdown, but deep past to Corland
Sutton and Riley Moss on the left side of the
you know, to open team period, and then it was
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kind of a man from there and I'd say mostly
forgettable for the over the course of the practice for
the offense, especially for bon Nicks. But then as we're
sort of describing, I wanted.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
To see how he closed the day, how they they
closed the day, and boy, that Pat Bryan touched down
in the back of the end zone the red zone
was just a thing of beauty. I mean, you're absolutely,
I mean he laced it into him and it was
it was incredible, and Pat went up and sort of
high pointed it. It was it was beautiful, got both
feet down. So there's just there's there's things that you say,
all right, well that's notable, and we'll go in today too, tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, and good to clothes strong too. It's always good
to have that kind of energy going into things because
you're gonna you know, you're gonna look at the tape
later and even if it's practical're gonna dissect the tape
and you're gonna be oh, that was you know. There
are a lot of balls that ended up out of
bounds on the sideline, Uh, yesterday, how do we remedy
that today? And it wasn't a win thing or anything else.
And I would say, I mean the defense played well.
I wouldn't say it was particularly smothering coverage by the defense.
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And then then the pick six really like that was accident.
Cordy Jackson hit him in the hands, popped up, you know,
in the air, and then Jackson followed up with a
great snag a little bit later.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So but but once again, like hey, hanging out is
a first team quarterback there? Yeah, because if you hit
him in the hands, pop straight up in the air,
as with Ja Kwan just right there, didn't have to
do very much.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
That was wait, who's eighty nine? Not not gonna work
here anymore? Yeah, that was that joke was floating around
a little bit in the h in the media section.
I want to get to some of the defensive stuff. Yeah, oh,
but there's a guy. There's a guy that was talking.
There's a dude there is there's a guy ye pressures today. Yeah,
we'll get to I want to talk about some of
that stuff and and and get to that. Obviously, the
big news of the day the JK. Dobbins signing and
uh and what that'll do for this team. But you
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guys are listening to Broncos Country tonight right here on KOWA.
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Bright here with you along with the O. G Ryan
Edwards talks a little bit about the offense. Uh in
the last segment, talked about JK. Dobbins getting signed here
in Denver, the one year deal a little north of
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five million dollars, what that means for the running back room.
But I wanted to get to the defensive side of
the ball because I do believe, I mean, as excited
as everybody is Abot bow in the draft picks like
Pat Bryant and R. J. Harvey and the signing JK. Dobbins,
the defense will probably again be the star of this team,
as it has been for quite some time. I think
dating back to the year after the twenty thirteen Super Bowl.
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There were some players today, there were some plays made,
you know, I know we referenced Riley Moss and Courtly
getting that catch over him and that kind of stuff.
But there was some some I mean, obviously you're non
pats that simulated pressure, but there was some pressure coming
from out of the front seven.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
There really was, and you know, I think I noted
it last week, but I didn't tweet out about it.
I really should have because he definitely showed up. Most
of my tweet last week on observations from OTA's was
on the offensive side of the ball, because I think
you said it perfectly. Pads aren't on it's it's so
tough to really know. But Kee Robinson, Ke Robinson might
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have had five pressures today. I mean, it sounds like
an exaggeration, but even on the interception at the end
of practice, jartstit him through it to Lavelle Bailey in
the end zone. Q Robinson came scream around the right
side and well, I guess Jared Sidam's left side, and
he had been getting pressures on the other side.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I mean, they're moving them off.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
But he's just such a smooth operator, and it just
he just has this kind of burst and wiggle that
he just kind of glides right by the offensive tackle.
I mean, he's gonna probably have to continue to develop
his arsenal, but my goodness, man, there is something there.
And I can see why the Broncos were targeting him
there on Day three. And I know initially when he
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was drafted, we talked about him as a core special teamer,
and I still think that that's what his role is
in year one especially.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
There's there's something there.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And he showed up last week with a couple of
pressures and today, like I said, led to an interception.
He hurried bow knicks, and he hurried Jared Sidham off
their mark in the red zone, and his red zone work,
I mean it was just like over and over it.
It was like a slat machine. And now he's going
against some backup tackles at times, but he also was
going to give the starters there on one of those
pressures to bo Nick.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
So just something too monitor here.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
We obviously have sometimes during OTA's and mandatory mini camp,
we have some guys that end up popping and then
we get to training camp and they aren't that guy.
So I'm not gonna sit here and try to make
more than I absolutely have to. But Ke Robinson has
flashed here in the off season. Well yeah, and the
Broncos drafted him on traits.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I mean you saw those those on this Black onm
the Q Continuum after John Delancy's character and Star Trek
the next Dame nickname. He's a powerful everything must have
a nickname, even the show that he's a new nickname,
you're gonna be like mcguiver stuff here pretty soon with
that's nickers sign mcgiver. So I just, you know, everything
has to have a nickname. That nick really is perfect
for you because because you know, when we did the
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show together, we're out nicknaming each other. I just am
not a nickname guy, never been one. I let you
just handle all the nickname stuff that you were always
like trying to come up with clever nicknames for players
and groups and all that stuff. And I was like,
I'm out, I'm out. But then you and Nick Boy,
you guys are just like, hey, we could riff on
that for a while. He's already named Nick, so he
doesn't need it. See how that worked. We walked right
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into that one, and not only Coop looked pretty good
out there today as well. Who's getting a little bit
of pressure, you know as well. If if we're talking
about some of the stars and Q, I'm interested to
see how they use him if he's solely an edge guy,
or if if he is kind of a tweiner where
you can move inside, because I think he's got that
skill set. But it's just it's interesting to It'll be
interesting to see with Coop though, And that is the
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thing because you know, you paid Jonathan Cooper really because
she kind of had to do at that point. But
he was not exactly the most dynamic pass rusher, more
of a set the edge guy who had some of
that ability. But with the attention paid to Zach Allen,
to Nick Benito to John Franklin Myers dj up his
freed Cooper to be able to come in and make
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plays and make sacks. We saw that last year as
the sack total goes up and uh and he adds
to it, but he was generating pressure on his own
today now again lack of pads. It's difficult to really
read a lot into that. But that's a good thing,
I think as he progresses his game because he was
a hand in the dirt forty three end, you know,
who had to kind of learn how to be an
outside backer in terms of you know, standing up and
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how and to rush from that position. He had the
set in the edge part down, in those kinds of
things down, but he did not have that aspect of it.
It looks like he's adding to his game. I couldn't
agree more, and it would be phenomenal for the Broncos
if he does end up going to another level. I mean,
I'd say my expectation of Jonathan Cooper is is just
a sort of steady, good player, and that's why you
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paid him. He paid him also because he's a good
presence in the locker room. But you wanted to have
some stability there and he's as stable as you get,
as far as he was literally drafted to be a
stabilizer for Baron Browning. That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
So he just he's but he's grown into a really
great role in that locker room and the guys look
up to him, and it's a relatively young group that
that has looked to him as a bit of a leader.
And so you pay him because he's been obviously well
above the seventh rounder that you ended up drafting. So
if there's another level to him, that's phenomenal news for
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this team. And it doesn't mean that well, now you
cannot pay Nick Bonito or now you can do no,
because I don't think that that's the conversation to have.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
No.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I think more of the conversation is, hey, if if
you can get more from him, and if he has
more of his game that he can continue to develop,
that's only going to mean more for the groups as
a whole.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
On the the secondary side of things, there was a
couple of different players out there. You know. It was interesting.
I mean, Stan's still Stan. He saw Moss on the
Courtland Sutton deal. I wish I didn't see as much
of Abram's strain as I wanted to that today's I
have noticed him a lot. Yeah, that That's sort of
the thing. Is, like I'm trying to watch the down
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trace guys to figure out with Jeda in there, exactly
how that affects the you know, the down trace of
of the corner room. And Lamari's still out there. But
he's only the third team, right, and I think I
think he's in trouble. I'm gonna be honest here. I mean,
maybe you bring him back on the practice squad, but
he just seems like because I mean is I don't
want to say ja Quia McMillan was bad last year,
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but he was part of the weak link in that defense.
Mpja were with the weak links in the defense, right,
But I still think he's okay, And so like I'm
kind of wondering if you can have Jade take the
slot job and still keep to Kwi McMillan on this
roster as a reserve, rotational kind of guy. Uh. It takes.
It takes a strong mentality to be able to take
that kind of demotion and still play up to the
level that you're capable of. But you know, I feel
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like he's the kind of guy who's got to get
that aggressive, you know, mentality that they can handle that.
I think when you go to Dime that he's going
to have some some kind of role in that. So
I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I don't I don't see him not on this roster
and you know interception today side.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I just he's not a bad player. He's a very
good player. And last year we were talking about like
what a diamond in the rough that they ended up
finding as an undrafted player that sort of starting nickel
for you. But I do think with the drafting of
ja Day, you want to maybe give him a little
bit of time to make sure that that he's set
and you know that the speed of the game doesn't
affect him too much. And that's why we're Jaq want
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to think gives you a little insurance there, but more
than anything. I think he gets some dime and he
just he has the ability to cover in short area
and that's that's a big deal. Man, that's a really
big deal because especially when the league has become yeah,
you got your your long speed guys, you have some
guys they are going to test you over the top.
But so much of the so much of the game
now is it in between the sticks and trying to
get yack. And that's where guys like Ja Kwan can
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be so significant for you. Some of the stuff they
were practicing today felt a little niche from the offensive plays.
I don't want to get too too deep into the
specifics of it, but you know, some of this stuff
felt a little niche, like stuff you're probably not going
to run but once a month, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
And maybe that is a little bit again to what
your point about the inconsistency of the offense. I mean,
it's like they were trying out some things today, Like
there were some try and some timing stuff that just
wasn't working. And I hesitate to say that's on bo.
I hesitate to say it's on the receiver. You just
don't really know. And I think oftentimes we in the
media will say, well, that just shows up as an
incomplete or a bad play. But then they go into
the you know, they go into the classroom and they say, well,
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this is why this didn't work. And actually just wanted
to see how this dB would react to it. I
want to see how this receiver would react to the coverage.
I wanted to see, you know, how when the edge
rush got there, what Bow decided. Because he had a
nice scramble today during so I think it is either
high red zone or was just outside of it. But
he had a nice scramble the right side. There's just
some it just it seemed a little disjointed to your point.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
But then again, this is the time for that.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Don't know why, and I'm not going to sit here
and try to jump to conclusions. Some media members will,
and that's fine, that's that's kind of up to them.
Some people will tweet out even that it was a
bad Bow next day. But I would never do something
like that because I ultimately look at it in terms
of the big picture. I'm and and you know the
beautiful thing about it to your point, and I actually
will give you.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Credit on this. I hate doing it, but I will
it's okay.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
We don't actually have to grade bow Nix on the
daily basis in a quarterback competition.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
We don't, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
It's it's just he's the guy. He's been good and
he has earned a job, and nobody's debating that anymore.
So it's not in any danger of losing the show now.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
It's just more about how is the offense functioning, you know,
and flows of Hey, we had a you know, this
just kind of wasn't a great day, But there's a standard.
There's a standard that we can expect and we should expect.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
And I think so far through most of the off
season I've noted on my show, I've noted on your
show as well, and you have as well. It just
there they have raised the floor, like the offense overall,
and I don't think you were going to argue with
me on that. The overall floor of the offense is
much higher. They seem to be a cleaner operation in general.
Today it was just sort of a kind of a
weird day. But I'm fascinated to see again day two
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what they ultimately kind of dial back and say, all right, well,
you know.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
We tried a few things yesterday. They didn't quite work.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Let's see if we can get back into a little
bit more of our bread and butter. And that's sort
of like mandatory mini camp is a conditioning check for coaches, right,
it's the coaches to do a conditioning check on players
really and then you know, or a mental check maybe
on some of the young players and see how much
of it in drinking through fire hose, how much of
it they were able to handle again. Yeah, And then
that's the thing. We're hopefully far removed from the days
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where we're charting passes.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
And you know, in AMP and all that kind of stuff.
At the end of the day. I mean, it's practice.
They're trying some stuff out, that kind of stuff. Just
it wasn't a great day to day. Okay, cool, go
go study the tape, figure out why, and come back
tomorrow and try something different. By the way, really quick,
the JK. Dobbins deal is actually a one year, two
point seven four to five million dollar contract with two
and a half million in sentatives to get up to
five to two five. Yeah, the I wanted to throw
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that out there. We got there in case we were
we're talking. Yes, that is that is the case, and
I think that's a good deal, Like that's you know,
I think that most of those incentives are easy to hit, too.
There's one or two in there. I think that there
there's a snap count percentage that I don't think he's
going to hit the rest of it. It's probably pretty
pretty attainable. An shift gears a little bit here, Aaron
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Rodgers obviously signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers, finally ending the
will he won't he because nobody else wants him, of
it all, he was very obviously waiting at despite what
he's saying now, he's very obviously waiting out to Minnesota Vikings,
who had no interest in bringing him in. How do
you think Rogers and Pittsburgh thing goes? Because I look
(28:03):
at this thing and it feels like a recipe for
disaster to me. Do wear on the same page.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
In fact, Dave Logan and I keep going back and
forth because he thinks it's a really good signing for
Pittsburgh and I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I don't see it the same way at all.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
And it's not to say because I think Pittsburgh has
just developed a level of competency when they play football,
And I even kind of cracked and I sort of
believe it, but I kind of cracked that with Mason
Rudolph and Will Howard, I think they would have had
a chance to get to ten wins because of just
who they are. They just find a way to get
to nine or ten wins every single season, and the
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moment you sort of bet against him, Duck Hodges goes
out there and wins games for him. So I just
feel like there's there's a level. It's kind of like
when I'm starting to believe in with Minnesota, right, I mean,
there's Kevin O'Connell. He just has a way of coaching
and they have a way of running things that they're
just not gonna be a bad team. Now, they're gonna
they maybe have some off moments, but they're not gonna
be a bad team overall. So I'd say with Mike Tomlin,
who is a much longer stretch, obviously, they just built
(28:59):
up a level of of consistency. But that being said,
you know, Aaron Rodgers is his personality thing, right, and
maybe you talk about his abilities and what they are.
I thought there were some moments last year with the
Jets where he still showed some again some understanding that
he can still play. But I told I can't remember
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who I said this to on the show the other day,
I said, they had no pressure on them, you know,
when he's hitting DeVante Adams on these deep passes and
they're scoring these touchdowns at the end of the season
for what it was, completely meaningless, like they're playing with
no pressure whatsoever on them. Now, you know, Dave pushed
back and said, well, he's used to playing with pressure.
I agreed, But this is forty one year old Aaron
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Rodgers coming off of a significant injury about a year
two years removed. And I don't know, man, I just
I wonder about the personality. I wonder about the expectations,
and people are gonna probably be over the moon thinking
that this is the quarterback that they've been missing since
Ben Roethlisberger, and even if it is a short term
kind of deal, they probably have high expectations of of
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deep playoff run.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I'm not so sure, man, I don't know. We'll see. Yeah.
For me, it's you know, it's sort of it's interesting.
I don't necessarily agreed to make the playoffs with with
Mason Rudolph. He's the hashtag not good. But I think
they you run the ball and play great defense, but
can like that offensive line is not good. But they
have made the playoffs with Race and Rudolph. That's a
(30:23):
problem if people say that, and then it's like, actually,
do you remember the seasons when Mason Rudolph closed for them? Yeah,
I don't know. I like looking at the it's funny
some of the reporting out there because they had no
intention of ever keeping fields or Russell Wilson. That's interesting
because there's reporting out there that field field was they
had no interest in keeping justin fields. Uh, and you
(30:45):
know that's they're just trying to be nice about. Yeah,
they playing see was Aaron Rodgers's which is malarkey, not
Mike Malarkey, the coach, just absolute malarkey in the sense
that it's it's nonsense. If they would have, they would have,
you know, offered him something. The looking at the tea,
he's such a you know, and to all to his credit,
(31:07):
he's a decent teammate. People inside the locker room say
he's fine, you know inside the locker room, but he's
such a lightning rod for controversy. Who was saying, there's
some of the dumbest things you can you can possibly imagine.
And then you know, on top of that the declining play,
and it has been declining play. Now you're in an
offense that you don't even know. You've never been in
this offense before. Arthur Smith's offense is not the La
(31:29):
Floor offense. And I realized that they had overlap of
Tennessee together, but they're wildly different offenses. I don't know
that Aaron Rodgers is going to be a dump it
down to the running back guy like they want, you know,
run the ball a lot, dump it down to the
running back a lot, hit the tight end off play action,
you know, and then try to set up a deep
crosser later on. Rodgers has always been I want to
I want to play yolo ball with the deep, you know,
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the deep by Cell Routes. I just don't see how
he's a fit for what they do.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I'm with you, and the fact is is you actually
have a bit of a downgrade receiver no offense to
DK Metcalf and Pat Fryerman. But you had Garrett Wilson,
you had DeVante Adams last year, plus you had Allen
Lazard whatever he had left, and you you believed in that.
And yeah, I'd say it was relatively comparable in their
running game, even though Bretze Hall didn't really have much
of a season last year.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I just don't. I don't know, man, I think you
hit it right there when you're talking about the fits.
You're talking about him coming into this offense and late
into the process. I mean, he'll he has gotten, you know,
next several weeks to get ready for training camp. But
I don't know, man, I see more of the pitfalls here.
But maybe I'll be proven wrong.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
And uh, there's certainly certainly a lot of excitement for
what he can bring the tough division. It's one of
maybe the toughest division, with a lot of teams that
sort of expect to be better this year, the Ravens
being the one of them. The Bengals actually getting to
the postseason, so well, that's that's another thing, Bengals. You
still got the rookie and the the other and Hendrickson
won't show up. You've got your your star defensive player,
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the only really honestly good defensive player you have. You
got your rookie, your first round rooie who you alls
so haven't signed.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Do you see his quote today? I know I saw
some people buzzing about it. I just stand a chance
to go look at it. Yet it's something about you know,
but I don't know that I would have aired that
grievance necessarily.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I wouldn't have either. The quote, let you pull it
up real quick. He said, I'm one hundred percent right.
So basically he's holding out again. Man training of the
campus said, I'm a hundred percent right. It should be
a no brainer. In Trey's case, it should be a
no brainer too. I'm not asking for nothing y'all have
never done before. But y'all the Bengals just want to
win arguments more than the winning games. In my opinion,
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that's from your rookie first round.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Pick, and that's a way to start off your relationship
with that. Wow. Yeah. Mean meanwhile, you got James Cook
showing up in Buffalo, you do saying you know, it's
all business, no hard feelings, all that kind of stuff.
Cousins gave great quotes on the Michael Pannick situation, you
know there that he's just there to support. We'll see
how that shakes out. That contracts borderline unmovable with all
that kind of stuff. I appreciate you stepping in to
(33:54):
step up to the plate and give him the hot
seat here to talk about bot Nix is terrible, terrible. No,
I'm just kidding, gun Oh kidd I'm kidding. I appreciate
you stepping in though anytime. Brother. Yeah, you guys listening
to Broncos Country tonight. It's obviously the short show post
Rockies edition. We'll be back at the same concept tomorrow.
Appreciate you guys. Listen
Short show post Rockies edition, Rocky's taken on the San
Francisco Giants and we've got the og Ran Edwards in
the house. What's going on, brother? I'm good man, how
are you? I'm doing pretty well? Well, hot and sweaty
from uh watching watching mandatory mini camp, which you know
there will mandatorily be.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Another body there tomorrow. That's that's correct. We found out
literally in the waning moments of practice that JK. Dobbins
is signing a one year, five point two five million
dollar contract with the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Pretty good stuff. What are your initials thoughts on this backfield?
And I say that RJJK, Yeah, he's do what he
did there? Yeah, no, I mean I love it. I
absolutely love it. You know, we saw it said for
a while that you'd like to raise the floor of
the running back room. He's going to have a role.
He's going to have a significant role.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
And honestly, it was the one position I think a
lot of people pointed to and we talked about inside linebacker.
But it's not like they haven't addressed inside linebacker. They
have addressed inside linebacker. But it is the one position
where you you drafted a guy and then you're largely
just had most of your room coming back with the
exception of Vane, and it felt like.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It was in an incomplete room to be honest.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I mean maybe some of these guys pop You're basing
a lot of your assessment of the room until this
move on projection, and unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You just you just needed more.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
And so fortunately on the other side of that, George
Peyton and Sean Payton they recognized that and got the
deal done. And I think for a five point two
five milli million, which by the way, I think is
tied with Naji Harris's deal on a one year is
very telling on what kind of role or what kind
of expectations they have for him here. This is not
a proven deal like he was with the Chargers last year,
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where he's a prized people.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
This is you have a carved out role with this team. Yeah,
I think the one thing, I mean, one year deal.
I still believe a one year deal would still sort
of be a proven deal in a sense. I mean,
but obviously with the amount of money attached to it,
you know there is there is a role for it.
Is there any concern about the fact that Dobbins started
so hot last year. I mean, I mean just incredibly hot.
(01:59):
Those first two games, he had a insane amount of yardage,
and then after that it was kind of you know,
he averaging three point a to carry that kind of stuff. Now,
in his defense, on that he was kind of the
only back that they really had because the gust bus
wasn't running and all that kind of stuff. So, you know,
maybe in a more contained role this year, the high
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production of the early season doesn't grind him down very quickly,
and he's still able to maintain that. I think the
think about it me, this is an all purpose back.
He blocks well, he catches well, he obviously runs well.
I'm excited by this. I mean, obviously we've been talking
about this for quite some time, but it's it's finally
come to fruition. And I think Sean didn't want to
talk about it today at all, which is fine. I
(02:40):
am sure we'll get into it a little bit more
with him tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
In fact, I hope we get to see Jka out
there in the practice field for the second day of
mandatory mini camp.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
But I don't I'm starting to not think this is
bad news for Juliel.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
You know, Initially my thought was this This move when
it does happen, will be a tough deal for Julil McLoughlin.
Now again we're talking on June tenth. Things can change.
But watching Jaliel out there in the role that he
is carved out in the offense, and again it's it's
so hard to read into who's running with who right
(03:13):
because and I can't tip my hand too much on
what we saw because that they won't let us.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
But I don't know, man, the way JK.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Dobbins plays that is that is more of an odrict
estimate issue. Like odric estimate, I think is the guy
that I would worry about if I'm on this roster
right now? It's certainly Tyler today. But I think they're
going to try to hide and stash.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, you put him on the practice squad, which anymore,
I mean, you don't have to stash guys. He just
put him on the practice squad. You have to call
ups and all that kind of stuff. Maybe, I mean,
you know, Jilliel, he has the short area quicks. The
long speed is still obviously insufficient. I was standing there
watching a run that he did. It was off the
left side. I can't remember for the swing pass, nowur
(03:56):
if it was a run, I think it was a
swing pass actually, but he took off the way and
pats are tan caught in from behind with a bad
angle from across the field, you know. And it's one
of those things. And not that that's any slouts mean,
Pats or ten is very fast human being, but you know,
I mean, if you are that type of running back
who's got that fourth gear, you know what I'm talking about,
the home bowles up a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
So I mean to your to your point, yes, I
mean that he's on here for his straight line speed
and his quicks right.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
And uckness is his is his selling point. I mean,
that's that's what he is. But he's north, you know,
like he he hits top speed pretty quick, but the
top speed is not you know, his top speed sixty five.
He can't get it at that eighty ninety mile an hour,
you know what I'm talking about. And I say sixty
flow because he didn't think Pat would catch him. I
don't really know, but ye that before he sees one
of those guys that like lacks the like elite elite
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long speed for a guy his size. That's and that's
one of those things you saw. It was it this
Tampa game where he was racing to the corner and
almost got caught. Remember you got that touchdown and I
remember he almost got caught by lot out of position
line back. Yeah, and that's one of those things like
I don't wrong, love him, love the story, you know,
all that kind of stuff, but there's also a reason
that you know he was where he was and when undrafted,
(05:04):
those kinds of things, and it's the measurables. Those things
do ultimately matter, and you can Julia has proven he
can play in this league. But those things do ultimately
matter in the sense of, you know, once you start
looking at target shairs or touch shares and things like that,
it starts adding up. I think that people who have
been drafting R. J. Harvey in these early fantasy drafts,
I think that Stock takes a little bit of a
(05:24):
hit here because I think he eats into as you
were talking about we talking about estimate in McLoughlin. I
think he eats into a lot of Harvey stuff too.
I mean they're interchangeable backs in a lot of ways.
Dobbin's a better pass protection, which he should be. It's
a little bit bigger, little runs, a little authority, but they're
sort of interchangeable guys, and I think that's what they wanted,
like getting those guys out there. You put one or
the other on the field. Now all of a sudden,
you don't necessarily know what you're doing. You're not tipping
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your hand, whereas you had archetypes, when you had Estima
and Harvey and McLoughlin, and you kind of based on
who is out there, you were going to know what
they're doing.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Right then this, this again raises the floor of the
room overall. I just to say with Julie, I'm slow.
I'm gonna slow down a little bit on my I
think this is bad news and he's going to be
the guy that's going to lose out as a result
of this. But but you do say one thing, and
I think it's an important thing that we noted last
year that when he was on the field, you were
tipping your hand at times to what you were going
(06:15):
to be running. And that's something that's got to change
right away.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Unless you're run in two back sets, unless you're if
you find a way to, you know, use him as
like a jet back and do a little bump passes
or running a gun you know, gun split back where
you've got you know, both guys, and you are tipping
your hand when he's out there. Was the same thing
with Phil Lindsay, when you had Phil out there, you know,
you were tipping your hand on what you were doing.
You knew they were running the ball because he wasn't
pass protecting and he didn't really catch that well, so
(06:37):
you kind of knew what you were doing. And so
that's one of those things to get again. And I
think they finally got their veteran voice in the room.
We've we've been talking about that again. We've been talking
about this for a while, but getting that veteran voice
in the room. I think they like to have a
veteran voice in each you know, in each room, and
they've got one now in the running back room. I
think Dobbins is an upgrade off Chavante. H oh, absolutely,
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you know. I mean it's always at last year if
nothing else well, and both of them came back from
the same injury. Chavante's further along in the comeback from
that agine now he came back from another acl you know,
on top of that. But but you know, Dobbins is
a guy is a work a worker, guy who's worked
his way back from severe injury multiple times, and so
that's something to I mean, again, on the one hand,
there's the injury prone thing, but on the other hand,
you've seen a guy who's seen it, done it, and
(07:19):
you know what, you know, you have a sort of
known commodity. I think the other thing that we're not
really talking about here that is inherently valuable is his
knowledge of the offense and defense of someone else in
the division. You know, the Chargers, the newest, the newcomer
to the division. Well, I say the newcomer. It was
the newcomer last year. Now it's of course the Raiders,
And so I think there is an inherent value in
(07:41):
that too. Now you can start gameplay, you've got to win.
Look at this schedule, so you've got to win those
Chargers games. You've got to win division games this year.
I mean, it's it's a tough schedule this year. That's
what happens. When you win games, you get a tougher schedule.
And so, you know, I think having Dobbins here helps
out in that regard too. Well.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I mean, of course it doesn't hurt, right, I know,
the team coaches specifically will often downplay that the knowledge
you get, the institutional knowledge you get from players that
were on former teams. But there's got to be something
to that. And he obviously had some success. They had
success against the Broncos. They beat them both twice last year.
So you've got at least split to your point with
(08:18):
the Chargers, And yeah, you got to have if your
mindset is the AFC West, you got to have your
eye on possibly taking both. You know, the Chargers have
an interesting start to the season because they are playing
the Chiefs in opening weekend, right, They're going to do
that in South Paalo. Then they got the Raiders in
week two, and they got the Broncos in week three.
They got division games right up the top of the
first three games. So it's going to be fascinating to
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see where they're at when these two teams see each
other in week three.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah, it really is. And I think, you know, I
think everybody looks at the Chiefs as the crown jewel
of the division. They have to be knocked off in
order to, you know whatever. But I think most people
kind of view the Chargers and the Broncos as sort
of equal footing on are on that second tier, and
I think having that knowledge, the Broncos tried to sign
a Chargers defensive lineman this offseas and doing unable to
do that and pun a forwards. So I think they're
(09:02):
trying to get institutional knowledge on your competitors and also
bring good players over. Uh. I think is good practice.
Speaking of practice, so obviously we're out at Manda door
midicaip today. Not Bo's greatest throwing day, certainly, I don't
want to start this up again because last year. But
I'm like, I'm not worried about Boh at all, So
don't don't read that into it. I'm just saying it
wasn't one of his great as day. It really wasn't
one of a great day throwing, for he was underthrown,
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especially on the deep stead like the he he was
accurate on the you know, the usual underneath stuff, but
it was some of the deeper stuff. He's still trying
to find the timing and the you know and the
placement on backshoulder fades or some of the stuff. To
Pat Bryant. Uh, you know, they were there throwing some
of those deep balls that you're just like these are
not where they need to be. What was it sam
ailing or bad? Where your air mail? Was it Troutman's head?
(09:44):
I think there at the end? Who was Oh no, no,
it was yeah, Loaner eighty four, that's right, Yeah, it
was Loaner's heads. He's sixty seven right somehow, and and
Loner went up for it and the ball was still
three feet over his head from about five yards away.
It was it was bad.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, Bonick's and Lolan win out there today. Either it
wasn't a window, no, no, no, bonex to the first team offense.
Closed the practice really strong in the red zone they did.
They did some red zone there and you got a
couple of touchdowns, one to Pat Bryan in the back
of the end zone and then one to Lucas Croll
in the flat that he ended up running it in.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
So closed stronger, you know, And that's some of the
timing stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
It's always tough to know how much of that the
receiver and how much of that is bo because you
are you're not He's not throwing a corl Andton on
those passes, the ones that you're referencing like, you're not
throwing to your number one guy Evan Ingram Right, you're
not throwing to the guys that are gonna be out
there in those kinds of moments who he has been
working a lot with today and Novele as well. So
it's to say, I don't read really anything into this now.
(10:39):
If we're, you know, a couple of weeks into practice
training camp and the offense has one of these kinds
of practices, I think that's a little more notable. It's like, okay, well, hey,
let's you're two weeks into training camp and we're kind
of ramping things up and guys are not on the
same page. But here in mandatory mini camp, I mean,
you're you did a great job qualifying it. But I
just want to reemphasize there wasn't anything today that really
worried now whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And I'll go further with that. One day like that,
even in training camp, is not gonna bug me. It's
when you start to consist, if you have the consistent
days like that. But it mandatory mini camp, I mean,
guys have been off, they've been a cabo whatever else
like you know, this is you're just you're you're feeling
out some of your newer receivers and you're trying to
get the timing down, figure out what they can do,
what they can't do, that kind of stuff. I mean,
you really want to go back Pat mahomes second training camp,
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right before he became the you know, the starter for this.
She's obviously started that game for the Broncos, but against
the Broncos, but you know that training he was that
mini camper, mailing interceptions all over the place. People were
telling you, guys gonna be terrible and stuff like that.
I'm like, he just pumped the brakes man. They're getting
all they're testing all this stuff out. That's what they're doing.
And so the Broncos are doing that too. So like
with regard to and I tweeted it out with regard
(11:41):
to that, don't you know it's not over it's you know,
it's it's not you know that kind of thing. It's
ourp over whatever we're using now, it's it's you know,
it was just an observation, wasn't the strongest then owing day? Okay, cool,
now you bank that and you move on.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I just noticed that you didn't tweet out good throwing
days for Bonix and the other practice.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
That's an expectation I don't need to. I don't need to. Yeah,
I know.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I'm just saying that, you know, you, you, being who
you are, take an opportunity to the first chance you get.
You're like, oh, Bill had a bad day, guess what,
I'm gonna run the twitter out.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
We were joking about that.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
By the way, you just ignoreded red zone at the
v very end of practice. Actually was the strongest part
of the team. I left to get back here. But
the some people didn't see. I know some people actually
stuck around and watched red Zone to something because I
don't have you know, these cushy diva afternoon jobs wearing
a full picture for the listeners. Some people want to
paint a Benjamin all Right framed picture.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I mean, it wasn't a great throwing day, period, but
he closed strong. Cool. What bully for you? Who said
nobody says that anymore. Nobody says that anymore. We gotta
we gotta bring that back, Believe for you. I don't
know if we needs do we to bring that? Okay?
I thought, uh, And we talked about McLoughlin a little bit.
I thought, mostly it was a strong day for him.
Somebody who you know, I think is on the cusp
(12:55):
of probably the practice squad with this team. I think
what you what you wind up is a situation where
one of these running backs is out. It'll probably be uh,
what do we call it? Baby Biday? What are we
call what is he calling himself? Now? After he told
everybody to call him something else three different times. McLaughlin
would be the guy that could go to the practice
squad in that scenario, and then you know, bidet would
be be out. For those who are asking about Blake Watson,
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he's still injured and has not been, you know, obviously
out there playing PJ. Locke was was not out there.
He was injured at Perry had surgery, not out there.
There's a couple of guys that keep getting asked about
those kind of guys. The velet thing, no information really
on that. They just said they expect it was. Yeah,
there's a I was checking in with something. I'm still
(13:39):
waiting for confirmation. If I get that, I'll tweet it out.
But there was there was a I had heard that
it was a possible family thing, not negative, but a
possible family thing. So I'll I'll continue to monitor it.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, I mean the way Sean framed it, and I
mean not that he's going to raise alarms intentionally, but
the way he framed it to the media afterwards, it
was like a nothing thing.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
So yeah, So if it is a nothing thing for Sean,
then it's a nothing thing for for Broncos fans. But
it's only because he's had such a great office line
and it was noticeable.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Cotton absence is noticeable.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
But I mean to the point like maybe that is
more of a conversation about how good Vele and how
important he is to this offense. They had a bit
of an off day, if you will. Now, well listen,
I am not I'm not going to give you what
you want here, but I'm going to do it anyway
because well listen, I'll give you.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I'll give you that. It wasn't a crisp day for
the first team offense, and there were some arrent passes.
I would say crisp day for most of the I
mean Stidham was okay, Ailinger was bad, and bo had
an atypical bow day. Yeah, I mean he had a
great first play touchdown touchdown, but deep past to Corland
Sutton and Riley Moss on the left side of the
you know, to open team period, and then it was
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kind of a man from there and I'd say mostly
forgettable for the over the course of the practice for
the offense, especially for bon Nicks. But then as we're
sort of describing, I wanted.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
To see how he closed the day, how they they
closed the day, and boy, that Pat Bryan touched down
in the back of the end zone the red zone
was just a thing of beauty. I mean, you're absolutely,
I mean he laced it into him and it was
it was incredible, and Pat went up and sort of
high pointed it. It was it was beautiful, got both
feet down. So there's just there's there's things that you say,
all right, well that's notable, and we'll go in today too, tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, and good to clothes strong too. It's always good
to have that kind of energy going into things because
you're gonna you know, you're gonna look at the tape
later and even if it's practical're gonna dissect the tape
and you're gonna be oh, that was you know. There
are a lot of balls that ended up out of
bounds on the sideline, Uh, yesterday, how do we remedy
that today? And it wasn't a win thing or anything else.
And I would say, I mean the defense played well.
I wouldn't say it was particularly smothering coverage by the defense.
(15:47):
And then then the pick six really like that was accident.
Cordy Jackson hit him in the hands, popped up, you know,
in the air, and then Jackson followed up with a
great snag a little bit later.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So but but once again, like hey, hanging out is
a first team quarterback there? Yeah, because if you hit
him in the hands, pop straight up in the air,
as with Ja Kwan just right there, didn't have to
do very much.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
That was wait, who's eighty nine? Not not gonna work
here anymore? Yeah, that was that joke was floating around
a little bit in the h in the media section.
I want to get to some of the defensive stuff. Yeah, oh,
but there's a guy. There's a guy that was talking.
There's a dude there is there's a guy ye pressures today. Yeah,
we'll get to I want to talk about some of
that stuff and and and get to that. Obviously, the
big news of the day the JK. Dobbins signing and
uh and what that'll do for this team. But you
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guys are listening to Broncos Country tonight right here on KOWA.
We will be back right for this. Ben's Bin all
Bright here with you along with the O. G Ryan
Edwards talks a little bit about the offense. Uh in
the last segment, talked about JK. Dobbins getting signed here
in Denver, the one year deal a little north of
(16:50):
five million dollars, what that means for the running back room.
But I wanted to get to the defensive side of
the ball because I do believe, I mean, as excited
as everybody is Abot bow in the draft picks like
Pat Bryant and R. J. Harvey and the signing JK. Dobbins,
the defense will probably again be the star of this team,
as it has been for quite some time. I think
dating back to the year after the twenty thirteen Super Bowl.
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There were some players today, there were some plays made,
you know, I know we referenced Riley Moss and Courtly
getting that catch over him and that kind of stuff.
But there was some some I mean, obviously you're non
pats that simulated pressure, but there was some pressure coming
from out of the front seven.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
There really was, and you know, I think I noted
it last week, but I didn't tweet out about it.
I really should have because he definitely showed up. Most
of my tweet last week on observations from OTA's was
on the offensive side of the ball, because I think
you said it perfectly. Pads aren't on it's it's so
tough to really know. But Kee Robinson, Ke Robinson might
(17:50):
have had five pressures today. I mean, it sounds like
an exaggeration, but even on the interception at the end
of practice, jartstit him through it to Lavelle Bailey in
the end zone. Q Robinson came scream around the right
side and well, I guess Jared Sidam's left side, and
he had been getting pressures on the other side.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I mean, they're moving them off.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
But he's just such a smooth operator, and it just
he just has this kind of burst and wiggle that
he just kind of glides right by the offensive tackle.
I mean, he's gonna probably have to continue to develop
his arsenal, but my goodness, man, there is something there.
And I can see why the Broncos were targeting him
there on Day three. And I know initially when he
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was drafted, we talked about him as a core special teamer,
and I still think that that's what his role is
in year one especially.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
There's there's something there.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And he showed up last week with a couple of
pressures and today, like I said, led to an interception.
He hurried bow knicks, and he hurried Jared Sidham off
their mark in the red zone, and his red zone work,
I mean it was just like over and over it.
It was like a slat machine. And now he's going
against some backup tackles at times, but he also was
going to give the starters there on one of those
pressures to bo Nick.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
So just something too monitor here.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
We obviously have sometimes during OTA's and mandatory mini camp,
we have some guys that end up popping and then
we get to training camp and they aren't that guy.
So I'm not gonna sit here and try to make
more than I absolutely have to. But Ke Robinson has
flashed here in the off season. Well yeah, and the
Broncos drafted him on traits.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I mean you saw those those on this Black onm
the Q Continuum after John Delancy's character and Star Trek
the next Dame nickname. He's a powerful everything must have
a nickname, even the show that he's a new nickname,
you're gonna be like mcguiver stuff here pretty soon with
that's nickers sign mcgiver. So I just, you know, everything
has to have a nickname. That nick really is perfect
for you because because you know, when we did the
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show together, we're out nicknaming each other. I just am
not a nickname guy, never been one. I let you
just handle all the nickname stuff that you were always
like trying to come up with clever nicknames for players
and groups and all that stuff. And I was like,
I'm out, I'm out. But then you and Nick Boy,
you guys are just like, hey, we could riff on
that for a while. He's already named Nick, so he
doesn't need it. See how that worked. We walked right
(20:01):
into that one, and not only Coop looked pretty good
out there today as well. Who's getting a little bit
of pressure, you know as well. If if we're talking
about some of the stars and Q, I'm interested to
see how they use him if he's solely an edge guy,
or if if he is kind of a tweiner where
you can move inside, because I think he's got that
skill set. But it's just it's interesting to It'll be
interesting to see with Coop though, And that is the
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thing because you know, you paid Jonathan Cooper really because
she kind of had to do at that point. But
he was not exactly the most dynamic pass rusher, more
of a set the edge guy who had some of
that ability. But with the attention paid to Zach Allen,
to Nick Benito to John Franklin Myers dj up his
freed Cooper to be able to come in and make
(20:45):
plays and make sacks. We saw that last year as
the sack total goes up and uh and he adds
to it, but he was generating pressure on his own
today now again lack of pads. It's difficult to really
read a lot into that. But that's a good thing,
I think as he progresses his game because he was
a hand in the dirt forty three end, you know,
who had to kind of learn how to be an
outside backer in terms of you know, standing up and
(21:08):
how and to rush from that position. He had the
set in the edge part down, in those kinds of
things down, but he did not have that aspect of it.
It looks like he's adding to his game. I couldn't
agree more, and it would be phenomenal for the Broncos
if he does end up going to another level. I mean,
I'd say my expectation of Jonathan Cooper is is just
a sort of steady, good player, and that's why you
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paid him. He paid him also because he's a good
presence in the locker room. But you wanted to have
some stability there and he's as stable as you get,
as far as he was literally drafted to be a
stabilizer for Baron Browning. That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
So he just he's but he's grown into a really
great role in that locker room and the guys look
up to him, and it's a relatively young group that
that has looked to him as a bit of a leader.
And so you pay him because he's been obviously well
above the seventh rounder that you ended up drafting. So
if there's another level to him, that's phenomenal news for
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this team. And it doesn't mean that well, now you
cannot pay Nick Bonito or now you can do no,
because I don't think that that's the conversation to have.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
No.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I think more of the conversation is, hey, if if
you can get more from him, and if he has
more of his game that he can continue to develop,
that's only going to mean more for the groups as
a whole.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
On the the secondary side of things, there was a
couple of different players out there. You know. It was interesting.
I mean, Stan's still Stan. He saw Moss on the
Courtland Sutton deal. I wish I didn't see as much
of Abram's strain as I wanted to that today's I
have noticed him a lot. Yeah, that That's sort of
the thing. Is, like I'm trying to watch the down
(22:42):
trace guys to figure out with Jeda in there, exactly
how that affects the you know, the down trace of
of the corner room. And Lamari's still out there. But
he's only the third team, right, and I think I
think he's in trouble. I'm gonna be honest here. I mean,
maybe you bring him back on the practice squad, but
he just seems like because I mean is I don't
want to say ja Quia McMillan was bad last year,
(23:02):
but he was part of the weak link in that defense.
Mpja were with the weak links in the defense, right,
But I still think he's okay, And so like I'm
kind of wondering if you can have Jade take the
slot job and still keep to Kwi McMillan on this
roster as a reserve, rotational kind of guy. Uh. It takes.
It takes a strong mentality to be able to take
that kind of demotion and still play up to the
level that you're capable of. But you know, I feel
(23:24):
like he's the kind of guy who's got to get
that aggressive, you know, mentality that they can handle that.
I think when you go to Dime that he's going
to have some some kind of role in that. So
I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I don't I don't see him not on this roster
and you know interception today side.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I just he's not a bad player. He's a very
good player. And last year we were talking about like
what a diamond in the rough that they ended up
finding as an undrafted player that sort of starting nickel
for you. But I do think with the drafting of
ja Day, you want to maybe give him a little
bit of time to make sure that that he's set
and you know that the speed of the game doesn't
affect him too much. And that's why we're Jaq want
(23:59):
to think gives you a little insurance there, but more
than anything. I think he gets some dime and he
just he has the ability to cover in short area
and that's that's a big deal. Man, that's a really
big deal because especially when the league has become yeah,
you got your your long speed guys, you have some
guys they are going to test you over the top.
But so much of the so much of the game
now is it in between the sticks and trying to
get yack. And that's where guys like Ja Kwan can
(24:20):
be so significant for you. Some of the stuff they
were practicing today felt a little niche from the offensive plays.
I don't want to get too too deep into the
specifics of it, but you know, some of this stuff
felt a little niche, like stuff you're probably not going
to run but once a month, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
And maybe that is a little bit again to what
your point about the inconsistency of the offense. I mean,
it's like they were trying out some things today, Like
there were some try and some timing stuff that just
wasn't working. And I hesitate to say that's on bo.
I hesitate to say it's on the receiver. You just
don't really know. And I think oftentimes we in the
media will say, well, that just shows up as an
incomplete or a bad play. But then they go into
the you know, they go into the classroom and they say, well,
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this is why this didn't work. And actually just wanted
to see how this dB would react to it. I
want to see how this receiver would react to the coverage.
I wanted to see, you know, how when the edge
rush got there, what Bow decided. Because he had a
nice scramble today during so I think it is either
high red zone or was just outside of it. But
he had a nice scramble the right side. There's just
some it just it seemed a little disjointed to your point.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
But then again, this is the time for that.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Don't know why, and I'm not going to sit here
and try to jump to conclusions. Some media members will,
and that's fine, that's that's kind of up to them.
Some people will tweet out even that it was a
bad Bow next day. But I would never do something
like that because I ultimately look at it in terms
of the big picture. I'm and and you know the
beautiful thing about it to your point, and I actually
will give you.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Credit on this. I hate doing it, but I will
it's okay.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
We don't actually have to grade bow Nix on the
daily basis in a quarterback competition.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
We don't, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
It's it's just he's the guy. He's been good and
he has earned a job, and nobody's debating that anymore.
So it's not in any danger of losing the show now.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
It's just more about how is the offense functioning, you know,
and flows of Hey, we had a you know, this
just kind of wasn't a great day, But there's a standard.
There's a standard that we can expect and we should expect.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
And I think so far through most of the off
season I've noted on my show, I've noted on your
show as well, and you have as well. It just
there they have raised the floor, like the offense overall,
and I don't think you were going to argue with
me on that. The overall floor of the offense is
much higher. They seem to be a cleaner operation in general.
Today it was just sort of a kind of a
weird day. But I'm fascinated to see again day two
(26:29):
what they ultimately kind of dial back and say, all right, well,
you know.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
We tried a few things yesterday. They didn't quite work.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Let's see if we can get back into a little
bit more of our bread and butter. And that's sort
of like mandatory mini camp is a conditioning check for coaches, right,
it's the coaches to do a conditioning check on players
really and then you know, or a mental check maybe
on some of the young players and see how much
of it in drinking through fire hose, how much of
it they were able to handle again. Yeah, And then
that's the thing. We're hopefully far removed from the days
(26:57):
where we're charting passes.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
And you know, in AMP and all that kind of stuff.
At the end of the day. I mean, it's practice.
They're trying some stuff out, that kind of stuff. Just
it wasn't a great day to day. Okay, cool, go
go study the tape, figure out why, and come back
tomorrow and try something different. By the way, really quick,
the JK. Dobbins deal is actually a one year, two
point seven four to five million dollar contract with two
and a half million in sentatives to get up to
five to two five. Yeah, the I wanted to throw
(27:19):
that out there. We got there in case we were
we're talking. Yes, that is that is the case, and
I think that's a good deal, Like that's you know,
I think that most of those incentives are easy to hit, too.
There's one or two in there. I think that there
there's a snap count percentage that I don't think he's
going to hit the rest of it. It's probably pretty
pretty attainable. An shift gears a little bit here, Aaron
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Rodgers obviously signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers, finally ending the
will he won't he because nobody else wants him, of
it all, he was very obviously waiting at despite what
he's saying now, he's very obviously waiting out to Minnesota Vikings,
who had no interest in bringing him in. How do
you think Rogers and Pittsburgh thing goes? Because I look
(28:03):
at this thing and it feels like a recipe for
disaster to me. Do wear on the same page.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
In fact, Dave Logan and I keep going back and
forth because he thinks it's a really good signing for
Pittsburgh and I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I don't see it the same way at all.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
And it's not to say because I think Pittsburgh has
just developed a level of competency when they play football,
And I even kind of cracked and I sort of
believe it, but I kind of cracked that with Mason
Rudolph and Will Howard, I think they would have had
a chance to get to ten wins because of just
who they are. They just find a way to get
to nine or ten wins every single season, and the
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moment you sort of bet against him, Duck Hodges goes
out there and wins games for him. So I just
feel like there's there's a level. It's kind of like
when I'm starting to believe in with Minnesota, right, I mean,
there's Kevin O'Connell. He just has a way of coaching
and they have a way of running things that they're
just not gonna be a bad team. Now, they're gonna
they maybe have some off moments, but they're not gonna
be a bad team overall. So I'd say with Mike Tomlin,
who is a much longer stretch, obviously, they just built
(28:59):
up a level of of consistency. But that being said,
you know, Aaron Rodgers is his personality thing, right, and
maybe you talk about his abilities and what they are.
I thought there were some moments last year with the
Jets where he still showed some again some understanding that
he can still play. But I told I can't remember
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who I said this to on the show the other day,
I said, they had no pressure on them, you know,
when he's hitting DeVante Adams on these deep passes and
they're scoring these touchdowns at the end of the season
for what it was, completely meaningless, like they're playing with
no pressure whatsoever on them. Now, you know, Dave pushed
back and said, well, he's used to playing with pressure.
I agreed, But this is forty one year old Aaron
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Rodgers coming off of a significant injury about a year
two years removed. And I don't know, man, I just
I wonder about the personality. I wonder about the expectations,
and people are gonna probably be over the moon thinking
that this is the quarterback that they've been missing since
Ben Roethlisberger, and even if it is a short term
kind of deal, they probably have high expectations of of
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deep playoff run.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I'm not so sure, man, I don't know. We'll see. Yeah.
For me, it's you know, it's sort of it's interesting.
I don't necessarily agreed to make the playoffs with with
Mason Rudolph. He's the hashtag not good. But I think
they you run the ball and play great defense, but
can like that offensive line is not good. But they
have made the playoffs with Race and Rudolph. That's a
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problem if people say that, and then it's like, actually,
do you remember the seasons when Mason Rudolph closed for them? Yeah,
I don't know. I like looking at the it's funny
some of the reporting out there because they had no
intention of ever keeping fields or Russell Wilson. That's interesting
because there's reporting out there that field field was they
had no interest in keeping justin fields. Uh, and you
(30:45):
know that's they're just trying to be nice about. Yeah,
they playing see was Aaron Rodgers's which is malarkey, not
Mike Malarkey, the coach, just absolute malarkey in the sense
that it's it's nonsense. If they would have, they would have,
you know, offered him something. The looking at the tea,
he's such a you know, and to all to his credit,
(31:07):
he's a decent teammate. People inside the locker room say
he's fine, you know inside the locker room, but he's
such a lightning rod for controversy. Who was saying, there's
some of the dumbest things you can you can possibly imagine.
And then you know, on top of that the declining play,
and it has been declining play. Now you're in an
offense that you don't even know. You've never been in
this offense before. Arthur Smith's offense is not the La
(31:29):
Floor offense. And I realized that they had overlap of
Tennessee together, but they're wildly different offenses. I don't know
that Aaron Rodgers is going to be a dump it
down to the running back guy like they want, you know,
run the ball a lot, dump it down to the
running back a lot, hit the tight end off play action,
you know, and then try to set up a deep
crosser later on. Rodgers has always been I want to
I want to play yolo ball with the deep, you know,
(31:49):
the deep by Cell Routes. I just don't see how
he's a fit for what they do.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I'm with you, and the fact is is you actually
have a bit of a downgrade receiver no offense to
DK Metcalf and Pat Fryerman. But you had Garrett Wilson,
you had DeVante Adams last year, plus you had Allen
Lazard whatever he had left, and you you believed in that.
And yeah, I'd say it was relatively comparable in their
running game, even though Bretze Hall didn't really have much
of a season last year.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I just don't. I don't know, man, I think you
hit it right there when you're talking about the fits.
You're talking about him coming into this offense and late
into the process. I mean, he'll he has gotten, you know,
next several weeks to get ready for training camp. But
I don't know, man, I see more of the pitfalls here.
But maybe I'll be proven wrong.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
And uh, there's certainly certainly a lot of excitement for
what he can bring the tough division. It's one of
maybe the toughest division, with a lot of teams that
sort of expect to be better this year, the Ravens
being the one of them. The Bengals actually getting to
the postseason, so well, that's that's another thing, Bengals. You
still got the rookie and the the other and Hendrickson
won't show up. You've got your your star defensive player,
(32:55):
the only really honestly good defensive player you have. You
got your rookie, your first round rooie who you alls
so haven't signed.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Do you see his quote today? I know I saw
some people buzzing about it. I just stand a chance
to go look at it. Yet it's something about you know,
but I don't know that I would have aired that
grievance necessarily.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I wouldn't have either. The quote, let you pull it
up real quick. He said, I'm one hundred percent right.
So basically he's holding out again. Man training of the
campus said, I'm a hundred percent right. It should be
a no brainer. In Trey's case, it should be a
no brainer too. I'm not asking for nothing y'all have
never done before. But y'all the Bengals just want to
win arguments more than the winning games. In my opinion,
(33:32):
that's from your rookie first round.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Pick, and that's a way to start off your relationship
with that. Wow. Yeah. Mean meanwhile, you got James Cook
showing up in Buffalo, you do saying you know, it's
all business, no hard feelings, all that kind of stuff.
Cousins gave great quotes on the Michael Pannick situation, you
know there that he's just there to support. We'll see
how that shakes out. That contracts borderline unmovable with all
that kind of stuff. I appreciate you stepping in to
(33:54):
step up to the plate and give him the hot
seat here to talk about bot Nix is terrible, terrible. No,
I'm just kidding, gun Oh kidd I'm kidding. I appreciate
you stepping in though anytime. Brother. Yeah, you guys listening
to Broncos Country tonight. It's obviously the short show post
Rockies edition. We'll be back at the same concept tomorrow.
Appreciate you guys. Listen
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