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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Phil.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Great to see him, man, it's been a while. I'm
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This feels you know, it's hot over here. I'll just
say that.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Well, obviously, Phil a well known and all across Broncos Country.
We're excited to be here tonight on Broncos Country tonight.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
We got a lot to talk about. Look, this is
the dead of the offseason.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
This is probably phil the worst time of the year
if you're dying for football news. But there's still so
many different angles that we can hit, and obviously we'll
go through that.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I know. Unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
We're gonna talk a little bit about the NBA Finals,
not a good topic right now for the city of Denver.
Very hard to watch last night. But a lot of
stuff there. But first and foremost, how you doing. I'm
doing great, man, I'm happy to be here. You know,
growing up in Denver, you're.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Always open, like once the Rockies got here, then you're
just always hoping that the Rockies would be relevant enough
until training camp hit. Right, you have something to just
you know, keep you entertained. But it doesn't look like
that that's the case this year.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
No, No, unfortunately not Grant Smith behind the glass, Grant,
it's been a while since I've seen you.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I just got back from my wedding. I tell you what,
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
It was hard to come back when you when you're
in a place like your Ray Colorado so beautiful, hard
to come back and then just jump right back into
the routine.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
But here we are, Grant. How you doing, my man,
I'm good man. I'm glad you guys are in. And
congratulations on the marriage. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
You know what we're you know, the marriage is going
great so far.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
We love it.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
You know, it's gonna trend a lot better than the
Rocky season is going.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
But you know, let's hope. So yeah, for your sake,
knock on wood. There we go.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
There, let's get us some news, you know, let's get
the rough part out of the way.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
The NBA Finals, Phil, I want to know your thoughts
on this.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Obviously, the Oklahoma City Thunder winning the NBA Championship being
the Pacers.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
One on three to ninety one.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I honestly didn't watch much of the series, I'll be
I'll be honest with he was not very appealing for
me to watch, and I had wedding stuff going on,
but I tuned it from here and there.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, I mean, look, I think that in the NBA,
you know, Nicolae Joakis said this after the Nugget series,
that you've got to build your teams like these two
teams because the depth is there. They play eight to
nine guys even in the finals, you know what I mean.
And so at times watching this series, it looked like
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you're almost watching two of the same type of teams,
you know, especially with the Pacers, they sort of elevated
their defense and they looked a lot like the Thunder
in some of those games where they were just smothering
the Thunder. Then they were getting turnovers leaning a fast breakpoint.
So it seems like that kind of model is the
way you do it now in the NBA, and so yeah,
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I mean it was hard to watch after that Nugget series,
but it was sort of like hate watching when they
were the Wolves and the Thunder there and then yeah,
in the finals, obviously pulling for the Pacers, but I
think most of the country was hoping for you know,
just sort of like a really underdog story there, them
coming back and forcing a game seven. But yeah, I mean,
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I know, like maybe the question is, like how good
is this Thunder team gonna rank historically? Like they had
the Coach of the Year, they had the MVP, you know,
they had this you know, insane run in the regular season.
But I just think that in the playoffs, what they
lost seven games in this run here, I just thought, think,
you're a historically great team if you've lot they played
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in two game sevens, you know what I mean. So
it's hard to be considered historically great if you're playing
if you're facing elimination twice in the same playoff stretch.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, and they got blown out in game six.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
It wasn't even close, it was it was different, and
you kind of had this vibe that, you know, the
Pacers Game seven, they have momentum. Halliburton comes out a
little bit on fire yesterday and then he goes down with.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
The achilles injury.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
And that's always my thing too, anytime you see guys
dealing with calf straints. Yeah, it goes back to Kevin
Durant all the way back when he was you know,
in the finals for Golden State. You know, he had
this same exact thing happen to him. We've seen, you know,
Jason Tatum, Torrey's achilles damien litl this year towards achilles
calf strings. That's something that it's hard to play with,
and like in today in the NFL, you see a
lot of skilled players wide receivers. So anytime that that
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term calf string comes up, I always kind of err
on the side of caution with that rough, rough end
for the Pacers there. They still competed though, which was
was nice to see, But from an overall entertainment.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Standpoint, this was just not a great finals.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Even though they were able to force a game seven,
I still think the Nuggets run was a lot better there.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah four games, yeah yeah, And I just think that
you know, like you're talking about like top top end talent,
Like obviously Shay is there, Jalen Williams had a you
know as a heck of a player, Haliburton Shakam is
a great player. But other than Shae, if you ask me, like,
there's not like that top top talent going back and forth,
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you know, which I think is what you're sort of
looking for when you get to the finals, Like just
like I prefer seeing only six or seven guys on
each team playing. But you know, with the defense and
the you know, the high intensity that they played with,
like you know, you got to have that deeper bench.
And that's something that the Nuggets are going to be
tasked with this offseason is somehow, you know, making it
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so that Jokises have to play forty plus minutes in
these playoff games, you know, where they just run out
of gas. And so, yeah, entertainment wise, you're talking about
two small market teams there. You're not talking about the
top top, top end talent in the NBA. So I
can see why maybe you know, you don't have like
a Boston or an LA or you know, one of these,
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you know, traditionally big market teams. You know, So if
you're just a casual fan, maybe you're not checking this
one out.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
What will you remember more here about this finals, the
Thunder winning the finals, or Halliburton's injury.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I mean, if you're a Pacers fan, you're waking up
today sick. I mean, not only did you not win
the finals, but now your next season is pretty much destroyed. Yeah, right,
Like they're not going to win the Finals without the
best player right playing the whole season, so like you
just got to feel for them. I think, well, I
would say that you got to just sort of give
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credit to the thunder and just say, hey, you know this,
this was a tremendous regular season and then you kind
of just made it through the playoffs the way they
did and he congratulations. You got to give your hat,
you know, you know, you take your hat, tip your
hat to you know, Shay and what they were able
to accomplish.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, I think, well, and hopefully the Nuggets can get
back there, because I mean the fact that this Nuggets
team that we saw here in the playoffs against Okay
see was able to take them to Game seven play
the way that they had chances.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Honestly, when you look back in hindsight for Game five,
it makes you sick.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah could yeah, And you're like, God, Denver should have
won that series if they would have just taken care
of this, taken care of that.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
It was close.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Maybe Aaron Gordon doesn't get hurt, you know, yeah, just
who knows what could have happened there. But it does
feel like the Nuggets were always like one or two
pieces away.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Though, Yeah, you know, what I mean, like you.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Just fell like maybe if they had one more guy
coming off the bench, that would just be enough to
get them through some of those minutes where you know,
those games slipped away from them. So it's gonna be
an interesting week for the Nuggets. It feels like, you know,
just with no draft picks. They just named their you know,
their new executives today, So yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Gonna be interesting. I'm very excited to see what they
decide to do.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
And uh, look, there's a lot of moves interview made,
especially with Nicola Jocic, I feel in the prime of
his career. A little bit of a gamble going with
two first time front office members. But we'll see if
it pays off here for the Nuggets. Let's see get
some Broncos talk here. Obviously, if you want to get
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Jade Barron remains unsigned here by the Broncos, their first
round pick at twenty thth overall. He is one of
two first round rookies remaining field that have yet to
sign their rookie deals.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
We know Travis Hunter just signed his.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Are you concerned about this or do you feel like
this will get done soon?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
You know what's interesting is that now the NFL has
made it so that you just sort of like plug
in the position and the slot that they were drafted in,
and you really have the framework right of what these
deals are supposed to be like. But the fact that
there's only two guys now left in the first round
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that haven't signed. The other guy is Shamar Stewart, who
obviously made a big deal about his contract negotiations, you know,
left the building there in Cincinnati. You're thankful that it
didn't get to that point with Baron, right. But I
think the interesting thing about him is that, aside from
Travis Hunter, he was a top cornerback taken. You know,
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so maybe his side is thinking, you know, who knows
what they're thinking. But I would imagine if it were me,
I would be saying, hey, I was a top cornerback
in this draft. Yeah, you know, I want to be
recognized as such, you know. And you know, Travis Hunter
had this huge deal, all this guaranteed money, you know,
which is a sort of unprecedented, and I think that
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if you're you're sitting out there and you're like, hey,
what is going on?
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Why is he not signed yet?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
You know, what's what's you know, it could be just
some very minor things, you know, like in both sides
are just sort of going back and forth. But typically,
especially with first rounders, this thing's already done and so
you're just wondering, Okay, when.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Is it going to happen? When is it going to happen.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
You don't want this thing to go into training camp
because yeah, maybe you haven't signed. You show up to
rookie you know camp, you do the off season program.
You're a team guy. You're trying to learn the playbook.
You don't want to fall behind. You know, barn is
probably in the running for a starting spot there or
at least a lot of playing time. You don't want
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to start off on the wrong foot. But once training
camp hits, now you're talking about some serious stuff. The
pads are on, you know, there's injury. I mean injuries
campen anytime, but in training camp that could really happen.
You don't want to be out there if you don't
have your deal. Yeah, so yeah, what do you think.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I I think it'll get done before training camp. Obviously,
Barron's not the only one. R J. Harvey still has
yet to sign his rookie deal, second round pick for
the Broncos. Here they did, I mean, watching him in
the offseason program, I feel like there was a lot
of good faith right because obviously Baron and Harvey they
signed obviously injury protection agreements with the team in the
event something happens, they were taking care of him, and
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they didn't, you know, they didn't seem.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Faced about it. And Jade has.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Been on the record of saying that he's not worried
about it. He knows it's gonna get done. It's just
a matter of when. And I think that as time
goes on, part of me is wondering, now that Travis
Hunter got his deal, is that going to influence maybe
a couple of tweaks here and there in the initial
is the framework of that deal there.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I like what I've seen from barn.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Look, he's a technical guy, and it seems like this
is a guy who obviously we know when watched him
at Texas, he can play a little bit everywhere, play
outside corn for you, he can play inside the nickel.
He can even play safety if you need him to.
I think here in this defensive scheme, he's going to
more than likely play inside the nickel. Now the question is, though,
is he going to uproot you know, a guy like
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jay Kwan macmillan, who has emerged as a very impressive
young player. I think there's gonna be a lot of
fun competition there. But I also know what times to Phil.
I feel like both these guys are gonna play quite
a bit this season, regardless of who is the starting job. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I mean we saw last year when Riley Mosk goes down,
You're like, oh, oh, you know, all of a sudden,
your depth. I mean that's been the Broncos big thing
here for up until Really now I would say is
that their depth is always gonna it had been challenged,
you know, when you give up all those draft picks
for the Russell Wilson deal. Even before that, when you're
not hitting on a lot of your draft picks, your
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depth really is what gets strained and outside at that
quarterback position, when you lose a guy, you can really
tell the level of play when it drops down, because
all of a sudden, the opposing quarterbacks picking on that guy,
You're giving up a ton of catches. There's miscommunication out there.
The secondary is one of those places where everybody's got
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to be on the same page. So yeah, I mean
when they took Baron, I was like, that makes sense.
That's a great pick. That's the best overall player out there,
predicted to go way higher than you know, then fell
to the Broncos. So it made sense that pick to me.
I just think that you want this deal done. You
don't want to you don't want to be worrying about
this for too much longer. Here, you know, guys are
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going on vacation, maybe your agents saying, hey, don't worry
about this, we'll we'll get back to this in a
couple of weeks, you know. Maybe they're calling the Broncos, Oh,
this guy's on vacation, you know, and then all of
a sudden, it's like the week before camp or something,
you know, and you're like, you just don't want to
see that happen. And the other thing is, like you
mentioned Harvey, these second round guys are sort of all,
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you know, getting together and saying, hey, we want our
guaranteed money here. Yeah, and so they're all sort of saying, look,
we've made a pact with each other. We want this
guaranteed money, just like these first rounders do. We're not signing, so, like,
you know, there's some work left to be done here
with the Broncos, and you know, I would tend to
agree with you that this thing's just going to get
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done and like you'll sort of figure it out. But
the fact that it's get to this point now where
you're just sort of wondering, maybe there's something more going
on behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah, Look, Richard Toddo, George Payton, they got their work
cut out for them. And obviously, even once they get
these guys taking care of extension wise, they i mean,
rookie deal wise, they got to work on some of
the extensions that are coming up. We got a text
and from a listener says, does the extension of one contract,
say Zach Allen, change how they can structure another, say
like Nick Benito. In other words, do you think that
they're negotiating many extensions but they have to compliment each
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other and cap his for certain years. I don't know
if it's necessarily to that extent, though I do think
that they're going to break it down based on importance here,
and look, all these guys are important in theory, right,
But if Phil, if you're the Broncos outside of your
rook getting your two rookies done here, Courtland Sutton, Zach Allen,
Nick Benito, John Frank la Myers, in the order of importance,
who do you feel like is the most important for
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the Broncos to address first?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Well, I think we're going to get into the Benito
thing a lot more as here later on in the show.
But I would say Nick Bedito, I mean, this guy
is a young, up and coming talent and that addressing
position just came off of a career year. I think
that you're going to have to really look at him
and see how the Broncos can get a deal done.
We'll get into this more, but the pass rushers around
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the league, it's sort of an interesting time here. So
I would say that Benito is the guy that the
Broncos really need to focus on getting done. And you know,
with relation to like who do they get done first?
How do they do these things? Sometimes it just comes
down to a guy being like, look, I want to
be here, I want to win, you know. I remember
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like after the Super Bowl, like or during that run there,
Derek Wolf and Malik Jackson both were coming up at
the same time. They got done the deal done with
Wolf way ahead and Wolf took like a hometown discount
sort of, you know, and then Malik Jackson on the
other hand, was like, no, I want to see what
my market value is like. And so sometimes it just
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comes down to that where a guy's like, no, I
want to be here. I want to get this deal done,
like whatever it takes to get that done. Guys are like, no,
I want to get what's rightfully mine, you know, like
I've proven I'm one of the best guys in my position.
You know, I'm going to test things and just sort
of see what I can make out there. So, like,
especially coming off that rookie deal, that's when guys got
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to get paid for their career. You know, you don't
know how long your career is gonna last. You're coming
off this rookie deal. You got a little bit of money,
but you're not talking about you know, generational wealth here.
But if they get that big deal, now you know
your kids kids don't have to worry about stuff, you know.
So that's a big moment in a player's career, and
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I just think that, like, it's gonna be interesting to
see what they can do with Benito. You mentioned those guys,
George Payton, Hurtado, They're some of the best in the business,
right and so they're really like high quality guys that
you know, I feel like you can trust them and
sort of like build upon you know, what their track
record shows, and so like, I think that you have
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confidence in them. But all to Milly, at the end
of the day, their job is to do what's best
for le Broncos, and your job is to do what's
best for you.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, and look at you know, with your roster right
now in ninety one. Thank you so much, Jeremy Crashaw.
The international player designation gives them some flexibility here. It's
really just about trying to figure out the bits and
pieces here.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
You know, Ideally this.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Roster is intact for now, and it could change one,
you know, at a couple of positions or guys moving
off here and there. You know, once your training camp happens,
but more importantly, you want it to be as set
as it can be established before the regular season and
preseason plays are going to determine how.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
The fifty three goes.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I do think though it is interesting to see maybe
the dialogue every year, like when it comes to rookie contracts,
you always see on social media like, oh, well you
have to have ten to eleven million for rookies. You know,
the way things are structured, it's very team friendly, these
rookie deals. Yeah, exactly, and unless you know, you get
that fifth year option. What was I think Pastor Tan
before he signed his extension, The fifth year option is
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gonna be at what nineteen million per year?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah? At that at that point you're making some money.
So the way that.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
You can structure these deals, like you when you talk
about a guy like Courton Sutton, Zach Allen, Nick Benito's
will dive deeper into contracts you know later on here
in Broncos Country tonight. The idea is that hey, your
first year, first two years of that cap hit are
going to be very team friendly. They're not going to
be you know, something substantial. And it's as you get
towards the back end of that, it's like, oh, we
might have to restructure or this is where we start
to look at different pieces here. The gymnastics is great,
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but that's why I think it's a benefit the Broncos
have the cash richest ownership group in all of American sports.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yeah, you could play with the money there. You got
some flexibility when you have that much cash on hand.
And it's also why the Broncos are lucky that their
primary position with bo Nicks is on that rookie deal.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
It's sort of like the ever how everything changed after
JaMarcus Russell.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
You know, when you bust.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
At the quarterback and the number one spot, it's such
a franchise back years, you know, with the Raiders. So
after that, everything changed and now these teams they're not
just so riddled for five years if they make a
mistake here. So yes, very team friendly, and I think
it's a big reason why when you've got a guy
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like bow Knicks, you're like, Okay, we got a window
here where we can pay other guys at you know,
premium spots a lot of money and we can really
make a run for it here. And I think that
that's got to be the Broncos thinking, and the idea
has been to maximize.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Like Sean Payton told us several weeks ago that you know,
I didn't come here just to win a few games.
I want to win championships like that's and he said,
that's the message that's been received inside the locker room.
So when you're trying to get that, it's, hey, how
can we maximize it this year? Right?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
You know?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I think sometimes even when the Broncos made all their
moves that they did after releasing Russell Wilson, releasing Justin Simmons,
I think the outlook and the perception of the team was, oh,
this team thinks that maybe they're a few years away.
And the Broncos, even though they had to go younger,
Sean Payton said, hey, we're gonna do whatever we can
to win as many games win now. And for them
to be a team that wins ten games after only
being expected to win five or less last year an
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impressive turnaround. Now the expectations on them are a little
bit bigger this upcoming season. So I'm excited to seeing
the direction which they go. And obviously, if they take
care of Jade Baron r J. Harvey, you don't have
to worry about that. Because I even think as well,
when you look at the outlook at cornerback Roley Moss.
Here in a couple of years his contract's gonna be up.
You have a cornerback right now, Demari Mathis, who's in
the final.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Year of his rookie deal.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
The outlook at that position is very important, as the
Broncos of acknowledge, it's a premium one. Find a way
to take care of your guys, and then you have
that flexibility I think to continue to expand there.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
So we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
But I'm excited to see, you know, where things land
here for the Broncos as they try to get their
rookies taking care of here. And obviously you'll be covered
at Broncos Country and I and also every single day
here at KOWA. But one thing we are going to
talk about here on today's episode of for Not.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Episode Geez, there we go.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I'm in my old mind there podcast of my Goodness
on Broncos Country Night, we are going to talk about
players under pressure this upcoming season for Denver offensively defensive,
we can even be in the coaching staff. There are
a handful of different realms where you look at it
to say, Okay, there might be some pressure here with
this coach or this player. As trending camp approaches, we'll
go through all that here on Broncos Country. Yeah, Okwa
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eight fifty AM and ninety four to one FM. I
actually brought this up earlier. You know, I did a
podcast this week we talked about that. But pressure, it
either creates Diamondsville or burst pipes. And the Broncos have
a handful of players that might be feeling some pressure.
They have some coaches that could be feeling some pressure
here as training camp approaches. Obviously a month from now,
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players are going to report, the veterans are rookies is
gonna report July sixteenth. But as we continue our conversation
here today on Broncos Country, in euro opinion, we can
go on offense, we can go on defense, and we
can look at the coaching staff.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Let's starn the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
If you had to highlight one player on the offensive
side that is under pressure here going into training camp,
who is that player?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
In your opinion?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Well, I mean, like, if you're just talking across the
board here, I think the guy with the most pressure
is Bonettes, just because look, the Broncos have gone out
there and they've made all these moves over the offseason
essentially to say look we're we're ready to take that
next step. For the Broncos to take that the next step,
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bow Nicks has to take the step first. Right, Like,
they've they've gotten him some weapons on the outside, They've
brought in a tight end, they've you know, reshaped that
running back room. The entire offensive line is back in
front of him here. They've got the best defense on
paper in the NFL. Right, So, like everything is all
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the ingredients are there. Right, It's kind of like you're
making bread, right and if the yeast doesn't work, it
doesn't matter if everything else is good. Right, So, Like
to me, I would say it's bo but like he's
not like fighting for a roster spot or he's not
like fighting for you know, his livelihood. But I'm but
just the pressure you're playing quarterback. This whole city after
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your rookie year has become enamored with bow and rightfully so,
I mean the way that he came in and played,
you know, it was awesome to see the city get
behind him like that, you know, and so now you've
got to come back and do it in year two.
There's expectations. Now you're not gonna surprise anybody. There's pressure
on you to deliver because the rest of the team
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is better. You're not out there with people thinking they're
only gonna win five games. They're like, no, with this
guy at quarterback, they could do this and they could
do that. And talking about being in the chiefs and
doing this, that comes with some pressure.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I would say.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, And I would say to the conversation I've seen
in terms of Bow, is the pressure to avoid a
sophomore slump, right? And I don't think necessarily sophomore slumps
happen as much because the player regresses. I think at
times you could have a game or two where all right,
he struggles. I think the one game that where we
saw a little bit of regression or a slump in
his rookie season I think was the Indianapolis Colts game.
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Look through three interceptions, but he also shook it off
and through three touchdowns after that versus you know, just
having one touchdown compared to three picks.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I think the Broncos moves, as.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
You alluded to, they made a bunch of moves his
offseason that I feel like, in return from an organizational standpoint,
designed to take pressure off.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Of Bow to have to do it.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Because I think if you look at a large portion
of the games last year, bow was the offense for them.
You know, at over a third of the games he
was their leading rusher, which was I mean, it's awesome,
that's cool, but that's not much. No, that's not sustainable.
You know, he's not Lamar Jackson. That you don't want
that volume of run and wear and tear, and he
couldn't obviously run as much. I designed that Sean Payton
was having him early on in the season because he
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had those three transverse process fractures in his back. So
really he's putting the Broncos offense on his back a
large portion of the season. You know, I think Adrick
Estimate is my pick for a player that I feel
like has a lot of on him because you make
the addition of R. J.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Harvey, you signed JK.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Dobbins, you have Julia McLaughlin, Tyler Badet, Blake Watson.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
You know, they have a lot of guys in that
room right now.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
But the reason Oddre has pressure, I mean, Phil, you
look at the tape, it doesn't lie in terms of
what is happening with him. Week one, he fumbles against
the Seahawks and then subsequently ends up on short term
injured reserve with the high ankles brain for four weeks.
You know, he gets a run against Kansas City, he's
in for important drives, he's keeping drives lives, he's moving
the chains for a first down. The next week against
the Falcons, he doesn't even get to I don't think
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he got his first touch until really maybe the third
quarter of the game against the Falcons. And then you
have your playoff game against Buffalo. He's a surprise and
active for Tyler Bdey. He went and played since week four.
To me, I look at the riding on the wall
here and it goes back to what Sean Payton says,
is like, it doesn't matter where you're drafted, your status,
you have to produce or else you're not gonna be
on this roster. And obviously he's a fifth round pick.
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Sean Payton's history. Antonio Pittman drafted him in two thousand
and seven in the fourth round for the New Orleans Saints.
Pierre Thomas an undrafted guy.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Peyton Cutt.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, Tonio Pittman for Pierre Thomas, it's really for Sean
Payton's it's not about your path, it's about what you do.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
When you get here? Well, and what does the NFL
stand for? Not for long? Not for long?
Speaker 3 (24:49):
I mean, you know, one moment you're a fifth round pick,
you're coming in, you got your whole career in front
of you, and then the second year you're heading into
training camp in reality hits right then. I always say this, God,
he I was like, this thing doesn't have to be
that complicated. You could just look and see and say, hey,
at my position, they brought in guys this offseason. Okay,
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why did they bring in guys because they're not happy
with the production that was happening there. They're bringing in
guys because that was where they need help. And so
that tells you as a player at that position, all right,
I better step it up, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, I mean you're right.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Like.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
The other hard part is, though, now for estimate, they
bring in these guys, they're obviously going to see more
touches now. So that means that whenever you do get
a rep, you really got to make it count, right, Like,
It's not like he's got a lot of opportunity to
go out there and show himself in those limited moments.
He's really got to perform, you know, and he could
work his way back onto this roster. But yes, I
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agree with you in terms of a guy who's just
like fighting to survive here, he's got to be at
the top of the list.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
What a lot of people said once JK.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Dobbins signed, They're like, oh, Jelim McLoughlin's out the door.
And from what I've seen is like that could be
the furtherest from the truth, Like no, Jelil is how
I look at it, And I think the overall perception
Sean Payton trust Juliu mcloths in that running back room
more than anybody else right now. And you have a
guy who's consistently a worker. It's hard to beat the
guy who's the first guy in, the last guy out.
But you also have the guy who's not making mistakes
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at practice in Jalil.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
That's a big component of that. I look at R. J. Harvey,
I look at JK.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Dobbins right now, early on, barring an injury, I say
those two guys are roster locks.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Clearly at this point.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
How many backs does Denver carry into the regular season
on the fifty three I'd be shocked.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
If it's more than three, which means who is the.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Odd man out in that room, and of course there's
the practice guard. We want to bring guys back, but
it's just, in my opinion's an uphill battle for estimate
right now. Who in the off season program. I know
Sean Payton told us don't count. He says, I know
you guys are counting. It's just hard based on what
we've seen to see, like, hey, estimate, he's a guarantee
to make this roster.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
It's hard to project that right now.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Yeah, and it's not even about what he's been doing
in the off season program. It's just, hey, they've brought
in guys. They've used a lot of capital to get
these guys. Maybe not Dobbins, but you know, early draft
pick with Harvey there. And then you also look at
their skill set. You know, Estimate is that big strong dude,
and they've got Harvey who they brought in, Who's a
big strong dude. Right, So ridiculous. Wants you look at
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Julia McLoughlin. He gives you something that's a little bit different.
You know, last year in a couple of those games,
he made a move out in the flat to get
to the end zone. I was like, there's no way
he's getting to that pylon, and sure enough he does.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
The other thing is you want guys on your lock
in your locker room who are like Jalil. Right, he's
a humble kid, like you said, he gets there so early.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
He runs those hills out there.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I don't know where he's running with all this construction,
but he's doing something crazy, right, And so yeah, you
can win with guys who've got that heart, who've got
that mindset. And he's definitely a Sean Payton type of guy.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
And one thing that Sean said last year when when
going back and evaluating the tape when it came when
it came to the run game, is this is more
so an allusion to the offensive line. They loved what
their offensive line did last year. They was the highest
graded you, according to George Peyton, internally.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
How they degraded guys.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Sean said that we felt like we left too much
meat on the bone in the run game last year
with some runs there, and obviously guys weren't seeing the
whole consistently.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Maybe there was an a level of patience. There was
more of an east.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
West versus north south emphasis from some guys, and I
was frustrating thing for Sean and that you know, so
when there's traffic being congested there for obviously the run game,
can you find guys that can get vertical and keep
drives alive? And speaking of traffic here Okaya Traffic Center,
here is Dave O'Brien. We were just talking about players
that are most under the you know, under the most
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pressure going into training camp. Offense, we talked about Rodrick
estimated the running back position. Let's go defensively here as well.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Because I think the addition is.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
That Bronco has made this offseason an inside linebacker, getting
a guy like Drake Greenlaw, adding a safety like Talanola Hufanga.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
They improved and they didn't really need it, didn't.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Really replace anybody defensively though, I'd say Hufanga comes in,
he's going to replace PJ.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Lock as the starter because of what they're paying him.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Which player defensively filled do you feel like is under
the most pressure here to.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Make the roster going into trend a gap?
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Well, I think that you could go two ways with this,
but I'll say Alex Singleton. I think just because he's
coming off the injury, he was already not like the
most athletic guy out there on the field, and so
you're just wondering, Okay, how much is gonna come back?
Obviously the Broncos love Alex Singleton, the motor that he
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plays with. He's a tackling machine out there, but you
just sort of wonder, okay, how much of like he
was already? You know, the way I always look at,
you know, playing linebacker or really any position in the
NFL is that there's sort of just a minimum athletic
ability that you can't you if you don't meet that threshold,
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you can't play in the league. And so like like,
for example, a guy like Josie Jewel, he just made
that like and he would even admit that, you know,
and a guy like Alex Singleton, same thing, where you're
just making it where you're an athletic enough to play.
Then after that you're smart's takeover right where you can
diagnose something. So your first step in that direction is
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before somebody else who's more athletic is making that first
step that allows you to play in the league. I
think that Alex Singleton, you just sort of wondering, Okay,
how much is going to be left in that tank there?
And I hope that I'm wrong there because he's just
I really like Alex Singleton, But I do think that
you just got to wonder, Okay, how you know how
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much is left there? And I would say he's under
some pressure to sort of perform.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
It's tough to come back from an aco.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I mean, there's always you know, there's the physical journey,
which his rehab has gone really well with that. You know,
he was sprinting, conditioning, participating in individual drilled during the
offseason program.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
His first team work wafts.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
He come once training camp starts, and so that's gonna
obviously be a little bit of a curve there. But
I imagine for Sean they'll probably have him on a
pitch count where you know, what they did with Javonte
was they practiced him the first two days, gave him
that third day off. Maybe that's going to be the
same approach. But here's where it gets tricky for Alex.
There is competition at that position, and all signs seemed
to indicate. George Payton said at the NFL Combined about
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Drew Sanders they view Drew as a starter in the
National Football League and then Justin Sternat who they brought back.
When they brought him back, he said that the team
told him that he's going to compete to start. Well,
we already know Drake Greenlaw when healthy, he's going to
be the starter at linebacker. Whether it be Mike or
Will who knows, but it means that there's a competition
there for Singleton, Sternod Andrew Sanders, who Drew is the
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guy who's kind of been playing around a little bit,
you know, different positions in every year so far. Major
injury with the achilles last year and then he switched
once again towards the end of the season back to
off ball linebacker. That can interfere with your process quite
a bit.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, and Drew is like almost the opposite of Alex Singleton, right, Like,
he's really athletic, but the mental side of the game, Okay,
does he understand what it takes to play this position,
Because when you're in the middle of that field, things
are happening really fast.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
You know, you got to really be.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Able to see and have good vision there and know
what you're doing out there. Otherwise it's really easy to
look lost. So a guy like Drew Sanders, it's amazing
how you can kind of make it to this point
in your career with that, he's not really even played really.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I mean, he.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Has bounced around at the positions that they're trying to
get him on the field that but he just hasn't
played that much football. So you're wondering, Okay, this guy's
super athletic, had the injury last year. But then you're like, Okay,
maybe we'll see some signs of that. He's been studying
in the playbook and that's the hope here too.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
And look inside linebacker, especially in this defense that's ultra aggressive.
Sean Payton says, we viewed Drew as as a pressure
player off ball linebacker. All right, well, if Drew's in,
like let's say Drew, you know, is a guy that
maybe doesn't start, but if you're rotating him in, are
you tipping your hand to the offense, Hey, yeah, they're
gonna blitz if they viewed Drew as the guy I remember.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Watching him his rookie season.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
We saw it a little bit in the preseason playing
inside backer. It's an adjustment pier because you're learning to
read that guard, is it run as it passed, and
then it's trying to react to it quickly.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
And then we I think we saw in.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
The early parts of the regular season due to some
injuries the linebacker no Josie Jewel had a hamstring or
a kafferly on that Miami game, we saw things go
a million miles an hour for Drew Sanders, and that
right there was you know, obviously a rough point, not
only for Drew but for the rest of the Broncos defense.
So I would definitely say there's some pressure on the
inside linebacker position. That's probably one position group that we're
probably gonna have our eyes on the most once training
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camp roles around, and.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I'm excited to see how how things respond.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Phil.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Great to see him, man, it's been a while. I'm
in the hot seat here. I'm sending a nixt seat.
This feels you know, it's hot over here. I'll just
say that.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Well, obviously, Phil a well known and all across Broncos Country.
We're excited to be here tonight on Broncos Country tonight.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
We got a lot to talk about. Look, this is
the dead of the offseason.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
This is probably phil the worst time of the year
if you're dying for football news. But there's still so
many different angles that we can hit, and obviously we'll
go through that.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I know. Unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
We're gonna talk a little bit about the NBA Finals,
not a good topic right now for the city of Denver.
Very hard to watch last night. But a lot of
stuff there. But first and foremost, how you doing. I'm
doing great, man, I'm happy to be here. You know,
growing up in Denver, you're.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Always open, like once the Rockies got here, then you're
just always hoping that the Rockies would be relevant enough
until training camp hit. Right, you have something to just
you know, keep you entertained. But it doesn't look like
that that's the case this year.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
No, No, unfortunately not Grant Smith behind the glass, Grant,
it's been a while since I've seen you.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I just got back from my wedding. I tell you what,
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
It was hard to come back when you when you're
in a place like your Ray Colorado so beautiful, hard
to come back and then just jump right back into
the routine.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
But here we are, Grant. How you doing, my man,
I'm good man. I'm glad you guys are in. And
congratulations on the marriage. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
You know what we're you know, the marriage is going
great so far.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
We love it.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
You know, it's gonna trend a lot better than the
Rocky season is going.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
But you know, let's hope. So yeah, for your sake,
knock on wood. There we go.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
There, let's get us some news, you know, let's get
the rough part out of the way.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
The NBA Finals, Phil, I want to know your thoughts
on this.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Obviously, the Oklahoma City Thunder winning the NBA Championship being
the Pacers.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
One on three to ninety one.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I honestly didn't watch much of the series, I'll be
I'll be honest with he was not very appealing for
me to watch, and I had wedding stuff going on,
but I tuned it from here and there.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, I mean, look, I think that in the NBA,
you know, Nicolae Joakis said this after the Nugget series,
that you've got to build your teams like these two
teams because the depth is there. They play eight to
nine guys even in the finals, you know what I mean.
And so at times watching this series, it looked like
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you're almost watching two of the same type of teams,
you know, especially with the Pacers, they sort of elevated
their defense and they looked a lot like the Thunder
in some of those games where they were just smothering
the Thunder. Then they were getting turnovers leaning a fast breakpoint.
So it seems like that kind of model is the
way you do it now in the NBA, and so yeah,
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I mean it was hard to watch after that Nugget series,
but it was sort of like hate watching when they
were the Wolves and the Thunder there and then yeah,
in the finals, obviously pulling for the Pacers, but I
think most of the country was hoping for you know,
just sort of like a really underdog story there, them
coming back and forcing a game seven. But yeah, I mean,
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I know, like maybe the question is, like how good
is this Thunder team gonna rank historically? Like they had
the Coach of the Year, they had the MVP, you know,
they had this you know, insane run in the regular season.
But I just think that in the playoffs, what they
lost seven games in this run here, I just thought, think,
you're a historically great team if you've lot they played
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in two game sevens, you know what I mean. So
it's hard to be considered historically great if you're playing
if you're facing elimination twice in the same playoff stretch.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, and they got blown out in game six.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
It wasn't even close, it was it was different, and
you kind of had this vibe that, you know, the
Pacers Game seven, they have momentum. Halliburton comes out a
little bit on fire yesterday and then he goes down with.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
The achilles injury.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
And that's always my thing too, anytime you see guys
dealing with calf straints. Yeah, it goes back to Kevin
Durant all the way back when he was you know,
in the finals for Golden State. You know, he had
this same exact thing happen to him. We've seen, you know,
Jason Tatum, Torrey's achilles damien litl this year towards achilles
calf strings. That's something that it's hard to play with,
and like in today in the NFL, you see a
lot of skilled players wide receivers. So anytime that that
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term calf string comes up, I always kind of err
on the side of caution with that rough, rough end
for the Pacers there. They still competed though, which was
was nice to see, But from an overall entertainment.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Standpoint, this was just not a great finals.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Even though they were able to force a game seven,
I still think the Nuggets run was a lot better there.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah four games, yeah yeah, And I just think that
you know, like you're talking about like top top end talent,
Like obviously Shay is there, Jalen Williams had a you
know as a heck of a player, Haliburton Shakam is
a great player. But other than Shae, if you ask me, like,
there's not like that top top talent going back and forth,
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you know, which I think is what you're sort of
looking for when you get to the finals, Like just
like I prefer seeing only six or seven guys on
each team playing. But you know, with the defense and
the you know, the high intensity that they played with,
like you know, you got to have that deeper bench.
And that's something that the Nuggets are going to be
tasked with this offseason is somehow, you know, making it
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so that Jokises have to play forty plus minutes in
these playoff games, you know, where they just run out
of gas. And so, yeah, entertainment wise, you're talking about
two small market teams there. You're not talking about the
top top, top end talent in the NBA. So I
can see why maybe you know, you don't have like
a Boston or an LA or you know, one of these,
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you know, traditionally big market teams. You know, So if
you're just a casual fan, maybe you're not checking this
one out.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
What will you remember more here about this finals, the
Thunder winning the finals, or Halliburton's injury.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I mean, if you're a Pacers fan, you're waking up
today sick. I mean, not only did you not win
the finals, but now your next season is pretty much destroyed. Yeah, right,
Like they're not going to win the Finals without the
best player right playing the whole season, so like you
just got to feel for them. I think, well, I
would say that you got to just sort of give
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credit to the thunder and just say, hey, you know this,
this was a tremendous regular season and then you kind
of just made it through the playoffs the way they
did and he congratulations. You got to give your hat,
you know, you know, you take your hat, tip your
hat to you know, Shay and what they were able
to accomplish.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, I think, well, and hopefully the Nuggets can get
back there, because I mean the fact that this Nuggets
team that we saw here in the playoffs against Okay
see was able to take them to Game seven play
the way that they had chances.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Honestly, when you look back in hindsight for Game five,
it makes you sick.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah could yeah, And you're like, God, Denver should have
won that series if they would have just taken care
of this, taken care of that.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
It was close.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Maybe Aaron Gordon doesn't get hurt, you know, yeah, just
who knows what could have happened there. But it does
feel like the Nuggets were always like one or two
pieces away.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Though, Yeah, you know, what I mean, like you.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Just fell like maybe if they had one more guy
coming off the bench, that would just be enough to
get them through some of those minutes where you know,
those games slipped away from them. So it's gonna be
an interesting week for the Nuggets. It feels like, you know,
just with no draft picks. They just named their you know,
their new executives today, So yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Gonna be interesting. I'm very excited to see what they
decide to do.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
And uh, look, there's a lot of moves interview made,
especially with Nicola Jocic, I feel in the prime of
his career. A little bit of a gamble going with
two first time front office members. But we'll see if
it pays off here for the Nuggets. Let's see get
some Broncos talk here. Obviously, if you want to get
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Jade Barron remains unsigned here by the Broncos, their first
round pick at twenty thth overall. He is one of
two first round rookies remaining field that have yet to
sign their rookie deals.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
We know Travis Hunter just signed his.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Are you concerned about this or do you feel like
this will get done soon?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
You know what's interesting is that now the NFL has
made it so that you just sort of like plug
in the position and the slot that they were drafted in,
and you really have the framework right of what these
deals are supposed to be like. But the fact that
there's only two guys now left in the first round
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that haven't signed. The other guy is Shamar Stewart, who
obviously made a big deal about his contract negotiations, you know,
left the building there in Cincinnati. You're thankful that it
didn't get to that point with Baron, right. But I
think the interesting thing about him is that, aside from
Travis Hunter, he was a top cornerback taken. You know,
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so maybe his side is thinking, you know, who knows
what they're thinking. But I would imagine if it were me,
I would be saying, hey, I was a top cornerback
in this draft. Yeah, you know, I want to be
recognized as such, you know. And you know, Travis Hunter
had this huge deal, all this guaranteed money, you know,
which is a sort of unprecedented, and I think that
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if you're you're sitting out there and you're like, hey,
what is going on?
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Why is he not signed yet?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
You know, what's what's you know, it could be just
some very minor things, you know, like in both sides
are just sort of going back and forth. But typically,
especially with first rounders, this thing's already done and so
you're just wondering, Okay, when.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Is it going to happen? When is it going to happen.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
You don't want this thing to go into training camp
because yeah, maybe you haven't signed. You show up to
rookie you know camp, you do the off season program.
You're a team guy. You're trying to learn the playbook.
You don't want to fall behind. You know, barn is
probably in the running for a starting spot there or
at least a lot of playing time. You don't want
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to start off on the wrong foot. But once training
camp hits, now you're talking about some serious stuff. The
pads are on, you know, there's injury. I mean injuries
campen anytime, but in training camp that could really happen.
You don't want to be out there if you don't
have your deal. Yeah, so yeah, what do you think.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I I think it'll get done before training camp. Obviously,
Barron's not the only one. R J. Harvey still has
yet to sign his rookie deal, second round pick for
the Broncos. Here they did, I mean, watching him in
the offseason program, I feel like there was a lot
of good faith right because obviously Baron and Harvey they
signed obviously injury protection agreements with the team in the
event something happens, they were taking care of him, and
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they didn't, you know, they didn't seem.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Faced about it. And Jade has.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Been on the record of saying that he's not worried
about it. He knows it's gonna get done. It's just
a matter of when. And I think that as time
goes on, part of me is wondering, now that Travis
Hunter got his deal, is that going to influence maybe
a couple of tweaks here and there in the initial
is the framework of that deal there.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I like what I've seen from barn.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Look, he's a technical guy, and it seems like this
is a guy who obviously we know when watched him
at Texas, he can play a little bit everywhere, play
outside corn for you, he can play inside the nickel.
He can even play safety if you need him to.
I think here in this defensive scheme, he's going to
more than likely play inside the nickel. Now the question is, though,
is he going to uproot you know, a guy like
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jay Kwan macmillan, who has emerged as a very impressive
young player. I think there's gonna be a lot of
fun competition there. But I also know what times to Phil.
I feel like both these guys are gonna play quite
a bit this season, regardless of who is the starting job. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I mean we saw last year when Riley Mosk goes down,
You're like, oh, oh, you know, all of a sudden,
your depth. I mean that's been the Broncos big thing
here for up until Really now I would say is
that their depth is always gonna it had been challenged,
you know, when you give up all those draft picks
for the Russell Wilson deal. Even before that, when you're
not hitting on a lot of your draft picks, your
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depth really is what gets strained and outside at that
quarterback position, when you lose a guy, you can really
tell the level of play when it drops down, because
all of a sudden, the opposing quarterbacks picking on that guy,
You're giving up a ton of catches. There's miscommunication out there.
The secondary is one of those places where everybody's got
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to be on the same page. So yeah, I mean
when they took Baron, I was like, that makes sense.
That's a great pick. That's the best overall player out there,
predicted to go way higher than you know, then fell
to the Broncos. So it made sense that pick to me.
I just think that you want this deal done. You
don't want to you don't want to be worrying about
this for too much longer. Here, you know, guys are
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going on vacation, maybe your agents saying, hey, don't worry
about this, we'll we'll get back to this in a
couple of weeks, you know. Maybe they're calling the Broncos, Oh,
this guy's on vacation, you know, and then all of
a sudden, it's like the week before camp or something,
you know, and you're like, you just don't want to
see that happen. And the other thing is, like you
mentioned Harvey, these second round guys are sort of all,
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you know, getting together and saying, hey, we want our
guaranteed money here. Yeah, and so they're all sort of saying, look,
we've made a pact with each other. We want this
guaranteed money, just like these first rounders do. We're not signing, so, like,
you know, there's some work left to be done here
with the Broncos, and you know, I would tend to
agree with you that this thing's just going to get
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done and like you'll sort of figure it out. But
the fact that it's get to this point now where
you're just sort of wondering, maybe there's something more going
on behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah, Look, Richard Toddo, George Payton, they got their work
cut out for them. And obviously, even once they get
these guys taking care of extension wise, they i mean,
rookie deal wise, they got to work on some of
the extensions that are coming up. We got a text
and from a listener says, does the extension of one contract,
say Zach Allen, change how they can structure another, say
like Nick Benito. In other words, do you think that
they're negotiating many extensions but they have to compliment each
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other and cap his for certain years. I don't know
if it's necessarily to that extent, though I do think
that they're going to break it down based on importance here,
and look, all these guys are important in theory, right,
But if Phil, if you're the Broncos outside of your
rook getting your two rookies done here, Courtland Sutton, Zach Allen,
Nick Benito, John Frank la Myers, in the order of importance,
who do you feel like is the most important for
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the Broncos to address first?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Well, I think we're going to get into the Benito
thing a lot more as here later on in the show.
But I would say Nick Bedito, I mean, this guy
is a young, up and coming talent and that addressing
position just came off of a career year. I think
that you're going to have to really look at him
and see how the Broncos can get a deal done.
We'll get into this more, but the pass rushers around
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the league, it's sort of an interesting time here. So
I would say that Benito is the guy that the
Broncos really need to focus on getting done. And you know,
with relation to like who do they get done first?
How do they do these things? Sometimes it just comes
down to a guy being like, look, I want to
be here, I want to win, you know. I remember
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like after the Super Bowl, like or during that run there,
Derek Wolf and Malik Jackson both were coming up at
the same time. They got done the deal done with
Wolf way ahead and Wolf took like a hometown discount
sort of, you know, and then Malik Jackson on the
other hand, was like, no, I want to see what
my market value is like. And so sometimes it just
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comes down to that where a guy's like, no, I
want to be here. I want to get this deal done,
like whatever it takes to get that done. Guys are like, no,
I want to get what's rightfully mine, you know, like
I've proven I'm one of the best guys in my position.
You know, I'm going to test things and just sort
of see what I can make out there. So, like,
especially coming off that rookie deal, that's when guys got
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to get paid for their career. You know, you don't
know how long your career is gonna last. You're coming
off this rookie deal. You got a little bit of money,
but you're not talking about you know, generational wealth here.
But if they get that big deal, now you know
your kids kids don't have to worry about stuff, you know.
So that's a big moment in a player's career, and
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I just think that, like, it's gonna be interesting to
see what they can do with Benito. You mentioned those guys,
George Payton, Hurtado, They're some of the best in the business,
right and so they're really like high quality guys that
you know, I feel like you can trust them and
sort of like build upon you know, what their track
record shows, and so like, I think that you have
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confidence in them. But all to Milly, at the end
of the day, their job is to do what's best
for le Broncos, and your job is to do what's
best for you.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, and look at you know, with your roster right
now in ninety one. Thank you so much, Jeremy Crashaw.
The international player designation gives them some flexibility here. It's
really just about trying to figure out the bits and
pieces here.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
You know, Ideally this.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Roster is intact for now, and it could change one,
you know, at a couple of positions or guys moving
off here and there. You know, once your training camp happens,
but more importantly, you want it to be as set
as it can be established before the regular season and
preseason plays are going to determine how.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
The fifty three goes.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I do think though it is interesting to see maybe
the dialogue every year, like when it comes to rookie contracts,
you always see on social media like, oh, well you
have to have ten to eleven million for rookies. You know,
the way things are structured, it's very team friendly, these
rookie deals. Yeah, exactly, and unless you know, you get
that fifth year option. What was I think Pastor Tan
before he signed his extension, The fifth year option is
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gonna be at what nineteen million per year?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah? At that at that point you're making some money.
So the way that.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
You can structure these deals, like you when you talk
about a guy like Courton Sutton, Zach Allen, Nick Benito's
will dive deeper into contracts you know later on here
in Broncos Country tonight. The idea is that hey, your
first year, first two years of that cap hit are
going to be very team friendly. They're not going to
be you know, something substantial. And it's as you get
towards the back end of that, it's like, oh, we
might have to restructure or this is where we start
to look at different pieces here. The gymnastics is great,
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but that's why I think it's a benefit the Broncos
have the cash richest ownership group in all of American sports.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yeah, you could play with the money there. You got
some flexibility when you have that much cash on hand.
And it's also why the Broncos are lucky that their
primary position with bo Nicks is on that rookie deal.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
It's sort of like the ever how everything changed after
JaMarcus Russell.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
You know, when you bust.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
At the quarterback and the number one spot, it's such
a franchise back years, you know, with the Raiders. So
after that, everything changed and now these teams they're not
just so riddled for five years if they make a
mistake here. So yes, very team friendly, and I think
it's a big reason why when you've got a guy
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like bow Knicks, you're like, Okay, we got a window
here where we can pay other guys at you know,
premium spots a lot of money and we can really
make a run for it here. And I think that
that's got to be the Broncos thinking, and the idea
has been to maximize.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Like Sean Payton told us several weeks ago that you know,
I didn't come here just to win a few games.
I want to win championships like that's and he said,
that's the message that's been received inside the locker room.
So when you're trying to get that, it's, hey, how
can we maximize it this year? Right?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
You know?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I think sometimes even when the Broncos made all their
moves that they did after releasing Russell Wilson, releasing Justin Simmons,
I think the outlook and the perception of the team was, oh,
this team thinks that maybe they're a few years away.
And the Broncos, even though they had to go younger,
Sean Payton said, hey, we're gonna do whatever we can
to win as many games win now. And for them
to be a team that wins ten games after only
being expected to win five or less last year an
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impressive turnaround. Now the expectations on them are a little
bit bigger this upcoming season. So I'm excited to seeing
the direction which they go. And obviously, if they take
care of Jade Baron r J. Harvey, you don't have
to worry about that. Because I even think as well,
when you look at the outlook at cornerback Roley Moss.
Here in a couple of years his contract's gonna be up.
You have a cornerback right now, Demari Mathis, who's in
the final.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Year of his rookie deal.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
The outlook at that position is very important, as the
Broncos of acknowledge, it's a premium one. Find a way
to take care of your guys, and then you have
that flexibility I think to continue to expand there.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
So we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
But I'm excited to see, you know, where things land
here for the Broncos as they try to get their
rookies taking care of here. And obviously you'll be covered
at Broncos Country and I and also every single day
here at KOWA. But one thing we are going to
talk about here on today's episode of for Not.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Episode Geez, there we go.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I'm in my old mind there podcast of my Goodness
on Broncos Country Night, we are going to talk about
players under pressure this upcoming season for Denver offensively defensive,
we can even be in the coaching staff. There are
a handful of different realms where you look at it
to say, Okay, there might be some pressure here with
this coach or this player. As trending camp approaches, we'll
go through all that here on Broncos Country. Yeah, Okwa
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eight fifty AM and ninety four to one FM. I
actually brought this up earlier. You know, I did a
podcast this week we talked about that. But pressure, it
either creates Diamondsville or burst pipes. And the Broncos have
a handful of players that might be feeling some pressure.
They have some coaches that could be feeling some pressure
here as training camp approaches. Obviously a month from now,
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players are going to report, the veterans are rookies is
gonna report July sixteenth. But as we continue our conversation
here today on Broncos Country, in euro opinion, we can
go on offense, we can go on defense, and we
can look at the coaching staff.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Let's starn the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
If you had to highlight one player on the offensive
side that is under pressure here going into training camp,
who is that player?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
In your opinion?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Well, I mean, like, if you're just talking across the
board here, I think the guy with the most pressure
is Bonettes, just because look, the Broncos have gone out
there and they've made all these moves over the offseason
essentially to say look we're we're ready to take that
next step. For the Broncos to take that the next step,
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bow Nicks has to take the step first. Right, Like,
they've they've gotten him some weapons on the outside, They've
brought in a tight end, they've you know, reshaped that
running back room. The entire offensive line is back in
front of him here. They've got the best defense on
paper in the NFL. Right, So, like everything is all
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the ingredients are there. Right, It's kind of like you're
making bread, right and if the yeast doesn't work, it
doesn't matter if everything else is good. Right, So, Like
to me, I would say it's bo but like he's
not like fighting for a roster spot or he's not
like fighting for you know, his livelihood. But I'm but
just the pressure you're playing quarterback. This whole city after
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your rookie year has become enamored with bow and rightfully so,
I mean the way that he came in and played,
you know, it was awesome to see the city get
behind him like that, you know, and so now you've
got to come back and do it in year two.
There's expectations. Now you're not gonna surprise anybody. There's pressure
on you to deliver because the rest of the team
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is better. You're not out there with people thinking they're
only gonna win five games. They're like, no, with this
guy at quarterback, they could do this and they could
do that. And talking about being in the chiefs and
doing this, that comes with some pressure.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I would say.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, And I would say to the conversation I've seen
in terms of Bow, is the pressure to avoid a
sophomore slump, right? And I don't think necessarily sophomore slumps
happen as much because the player regresses. I think at
times you could have a game or two where all right,
he struggles. I think the one game that where we
saw a little bit of regression or a slump in
his rookie season I think was the Indianapolis Colts game.
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Look through three interceptions, but he also shook it off
and through three touchdowns after that versus you know, just
having one touchdown compared to three picks.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I think the Broncos moves, as.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
You alluded to, they made a bunch of moves his
offseason that I feel like, in return from an organizational standpoint,
designed to take pressure off.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Of Bow to have to do it.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Because I think if you look at a large portion
of the games last year, bow was the offense for them.
You know, at over a third of the games he
was their leading rusher, which was I mean, it's awesome,
that's cool, but that's not much. No, that's not sustainable.
You know, he's not Lamar Jackson. That you don't want
that volume of run and wear and tear, and he
couldn't obviously run as much. I designed that Sean Payton
was having him early on in the season because he
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had those three transverse process fractures in his back. So
really he's putting the Broncos offense on his back a
large portion of the season. You know, I think Adrick
Estimate is my pick for a player that I feel
like has a lot of on him because you make
the addition of R. J.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Harvey, you signed JK.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Dobbins, you have Julia McLaughlin, Tyler Badet, Blake Watson.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
You know, they have a lot of guys in that
room right now.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
But the reason Oddre has pressure, I mean, Phil, you
look at the tape, it doesn't lie in terms of
what is happening with him. Week one, he fumbles against
the Seahawks and then subsequently ends up on short term
injured reserve with the high ankles brain for four weeks.
You know, he gets a run against Kansas City, he's
in for important drives, he's keeping drives lives, he's moving
the chains for a first down. The next week against
the Falcons, he doesn't even get to I don't think
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he got his first touch until really maybe the third
quarter of the game against the Falcons. And then you
have your playoff game against Buffalo. He's a surprise and
active for Tyler Bdey. He went and played since week four.
To me, I look at the riding on the wall
here and it goes back to what Sean Payton says,
is like, it doesn't matter where you're drafted, your status,
you have to produce or else you're not gonna be
on this roster. And obviously he's a fifth round pick.
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Sean Payton's history. Antonio Pittman drafted him in two thousand
and seven in the fourth round for the New Orleans Saints.
Pierre Thomas an undrafted guy.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Peyton Cutt.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, Tonio Pittman for Pierre Thomas, it's really for Sean
Payton's it's not about your path, it's about what you do.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
When you get here? Well, and what does the NFL
stand for? Not for long? Not for long?
Speaker 3 (24:49):
I mean, you know, one moment you're a fifth round pick,
you're coming in, you got your whole career in front
of you, and then the second year you're heading into
training camp in reality hits right then. I always say this, God,
he I was like, this thing doesn't have to be
that complicated. You could just look and see and say, hey,
at my position, they brought in guys this offseason. Okay,
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why did they bring in guys because they're not happy
with the production that was happening there. They're bringing in
guys because that was where they need help. And so
that tells you as a player at that position, all right,
I better step it up, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, I mean you're right.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Like.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
The other hard part is, though, now for estimate, they
bring in these guys, they're obviously going to see more
touches now. So that means that whenever you do get
a rep, you really got to make it count, right, Like,
It's not like he's got a lot of opportunity to
go out there and show himself in those limited moments.
He's really got to perform, you know, and he could
work his way back onto this roster. But yes, I
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agree with you in terms of a guy who's just
like fighting to survive here, he's got to be at
the top of the list.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
What a lot of people said once JK.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Dobbins signed, They're like, oh, Jelim McLoughlin's out the door.
And from what I've seen is like that could be
the furtherest from the truth, Like no, Jelil is how
I look at it, And I think the overall perception
Sean Payton trust Juliu mcloths in that running back room
more than anybody else right now. And you have a
guy who's consistently a worker. It's hard to beat the
guy who's the first guy in, the last guy out.
But you also have the guy who's not making mistakes
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at practice in Jalil.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
That's a big component of that. I look at R. J. Harvey,
I look at JK.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Dobbins right now, early on, barring an injury, I say
those two guys are roster locks.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Clearly at this point.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
How many backs does Denver carry into the regular season
on the fifty three I'd be shocked.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
If it's more than three, which means who is the.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Odd man out in that room, and of course there's
the practice guard. We want to bring guys back, but
it's just, in my opinion's an uphill battle for estimate
right now. Who in the off season program. I know
Sean Payton told us don't count. He says, I know
you guys are counting. It's just hard based on what
we've seen to see, like, hey, estimate, he's a guarantee
to make this roster.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
It's hard to project that right now.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Yeah, and it's not even about what he's been doing
in the off season program. It's just, hey, they've brought
in guys. They've used a lot of capital to get
these guys. Maybe not Dobbins, but you know, early draft
pick with Harvey there. And then you also look at
their skill set. You know, Estimate is that big strong dude,
and they've got Harvey who they brought in, Who's a
big strong dude. Right, So ridiculous. Wants you look at
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Julia McLoughlin. He gives you something that's a little bit different.
You know, last year in a couple of those games,
he made a move out in the flat to get
to the end zone. I was like, there's no way
he's getting to that pylon, and sure enough he does.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
The other thing is you want guys on your lock
in your locker room who are like Jalil. Right, he's
a humble kid, like you said, he gets there so early.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
He runs those hills out there.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I don't know where he's running with all this construction,
but he's doing something crazy, right, And so yeah, you
can win with guys who've got that heart, who've got
that mindset. And he's definitely a Sean Payton type of guy.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
And one thing that Sean said last year when when
going back and evaluating the tape when it came when
it came to the run game, is this is more
so an allusion to the offensive line. They loved what
their offensive line did last year. They was the highest
graded you, according to George Peyton, internally.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
How they degraded guys.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Sean said that we felt like we left too much
meat on the bone in the run game last year
with some runs there, and obviously guys weren't seeing the
whole consistently.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Maybe there was an a level of patience. There was
more of an east.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
West versus north south emphasis from some guys, and I
was frustrating thing for Sean and that you know, so
when there's traffic being congested there for obviously the run game,
can you find guys that can get vertical and keep
drives alive? And speaking of traffic here Okaya Traffic Center,
here is Dave O'Brien. We were just talking about players
that are most under the you know, under the most
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pressure going into training camp. Offense, we talked about Rodrick
estimated the running back position. Let's go defensively here as well.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Because I think the addition is.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
That Bronco has made this offseason an inside linebacker, getting
a guy like Drake Greenlaw, adding a safety like Talanola Hufanga.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
They improved and they didn't really need it, didn't.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Really replace anybody defensively though, I'd say Hufanga comes in,
he's going to replace PJ.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Lock as the starter because of what they're paying him.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Which player defensively filled do you feel like is under
the most pressure here to.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Make the roster going into trend a gap?
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Well, I think that you could go two ways with this,
but I'll say Alex Singleton. I think just because he's
coming off the injury, he was already not like the
most athletic guy out there on the field, and so
you're just wondering, Okay, how much is gonna come back?
Obviously the Broncos love Alex Singleton, the motor that he
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plays with. He's a tackling machine out there, but you
just sort of wonder, okay, how much of like he
was already? You know, the way I always look at,
you know, playing linebacker or really any position in the
NFL is that there's sort of just a minimum athletic
ability that you can't you if you don't meet that threshold,
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you can't play in the league. And so like like,
for example, a guy like Josie Jewel, he just made
that like and he would even admit that, you know,
and a guy like Alex Singleton, same thing, where you're
just making it where you're an athletic enough to play.
Then after that you're smart's takeover right where you can
diagnose something. So your first step in that direction is
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before somebody else who's more athletic is making that first
step that allows you to play in the league. I
think that Alex Singleton, you just sort of wondering, Okay,
how much is going to be left in that tank there?
And I hope that I'm wrong there because he's just
I really like Alex Singleton, But I do think that
you just got to wonder, Okay, how you know how
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much is left there? And I would say he's under
some pressure to sort of perform.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
It's tough to come back from an aco.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I mean, there's always you know, there's the physical journey,
which his rehab has gone really well with that. You know,
he was sprinting, conditioning, participating in individual drilled during the
offseason program.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
His first team work wafts.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
He come once training camp starts, and so that's gonna
obviously be a little bit of a curve there. But
I imagine for Sean they'll probably have him on a
pitch count where you know, what they did with Javonte
was they practiced him the first two days, gave him
that third day off. Maybe that's going to be the
same approach. But here's where it gets tricky for Alex.
There is competition at that position, and all signs seemed
to indicate. George Payton said at the NFL Combined about
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Drew Sanders they view Drew as a starter in the
National Football League and then Justin Sternat who they brought back.
When they brought him back, he said that the team
told him that he's going to compete to start. Well,
we already know Drake Greenlaw when healthy, he's going to
be the starter at linebacker. Whether it be Mike or
Will who knows, but it means that there's a competition
there for Singleton, Sternod Andrew Sanders, who Drew is the
(31:30):
guy who's kind of been playing around a little bit,
you know, different positions in every year so far. Major
injury with the achilles last year and then he switched
once again towards the end of the season back to
off ball linebacker. That can interfere with your process quite
a bit.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, and Drew is like almost the opposite of Alex Singleton, right, Like,
he's really athletic, but the mental side of the game, Okay,
does he understand what it takes to play this position,
Because when you're in the middle of that field, things
are happening really fast.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
You know, you got to really be.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Able to see and have good vision there and know
what you're doing out there. Otherwise it's really easy to
look lost. So a guy like Drew Sanders, it's amazing
how you can kind of make it to this point
in your career with that, he's not really even played really.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I mean, he.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Has bounced around at the positions that they're trying to
get him on the field that but he just hasn't
played that much football. So you're wondering, Okay, this guy's
super athletic, had the injury last year. But then you're like, Okay,
maybe we'll see some signs of that. He's been studying
in the playbook and that's the hope here too.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
And look inside linebacker, especially in this defense that's ultra aggressive.
Sean Payton says, we viewed Drew as as a pressure
player off ball linebacker. All right, well, if Drew's in,
like let's say Drew, you know, is a guy that
maybe doesn't start, but if you're rotating him in, are
you tipping your hand to the offense, Hey, yeah, they're
gonna blitz if they viewed Drew as the guy I remember.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Watching him his rookie season.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
We saw it a little bit in the preseason playing
inside backer. It's an adjustment pier because you're learning to
read that guard, is it run as it passed, and
then it's trying to react to it quickly.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
And then we I think we saw in.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
The early parts of the regular season due to some
injuries the linebacker no Josie Jewel had a hamstring or
a kafferly on that Miami game, we saw things go
a million miles an hour for Drew Sanders, and that
right there was you know, obviously a rough point, not
only for Drew but for the rest of the Broncos defense.
So I would definitely say there's some pressure on the
inside linebacker position. That's probably one position group that we're
probably gonna have our eyes on the most once training
(33:23):
camp roles around, and.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I'm excited to see how how things respond.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
But Broncos Country want to hear from you on the
Kowa Common Spirit Health text on five six six nine zero,
Which players on offense and defense, in your opinion, have
the most pressure on them going into training camp. Make
sure you share us your thoughts. But up next, we're
gonna talking about Nick Benedo's contract. Where does he stand
after the extensions of Miles Garrett and Max Crosby, And
is the baseline maybe TJ. Watt, We'll take a look
(33:47):
at that more, you know, on Broncos Country tonight on
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