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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to It, Broncos Country Tonight, Benjamin Alright, Nick Fergus
in the Hall of Fame or haff Steve.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Atwater, you're back, baby, back up. I want you to
put the word out on the street. We back up,
We're back. Well show that when you said half, I
was thinking, like, yes, why'd you mind go there? That's
a Hall of Fame? Hoff Well, I mean the way
that you kind of set that up.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Yes, if we had David Hasselhoff in here, we would
open with a theme from Baywatch. All right, it'd be
a night rider bump backs every commercial break.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I'm just saying, does that mean that we would have
had to run very slowly if he was on the show.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I believe we would have to talk slowly. We would
have to be in slow motion.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Attle time the entire time. Like, how did that.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Show run for what was it like fifteen seasons or
whatever plus a couple of spinoffs?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
How many people are out there drowning? Yeah, what do
you mean? How did it run for so long? You
watch this being facetious?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yes, we all watched the bay Watch back in the day.
You watch bay Watch, didn't you, Steve? He's trying to
He's trying to give me the look like he didn't,
but we all know he did.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I problem is, I don't watch bay Wise. No, we
all watched bay Watch. I watched this Red Blooded Male.
I watched they watch. I was hoping to get a
cameo role as an extra really number three.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, you know that's the thing is like I wasn't
gonn admit this, but will I actually did get it,
did a cameo in that show. My problem was the
mouth to mouth was done by Newby the guy, and.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Garner Ellerby was the guy.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Get a new mouth to mouth and didn't come in
right now.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
David Sharvey rescued me instead of Pam Anderson, and she's
got the other one and I'm just sitting here like
I couldn't get Carbon Electro five six six, N what's up?
We got a game under our belt. But it's a
little disappointing. Yeah, that's a little disappointing. But we know
a little bit more about this team too.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
You know, we know that everybody didn't play their best,
and I can say that throughout training camp, I thought
this probably was their worst showing. And uh, for me,
it's it's kind of positive because I know that they
can play much better than they played.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, there were things to like. I loved it.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I mean the defense in the first half was was
cleaning up. Yeah, like they didn't really counter the adjustments
Seattle made. Seattle switch to the trap game. They were
starting the w trap with the two polling guards there. Uh,
and they start running down the throats and there just
wasn't an adjustment from the Broncos defense in the second half.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Yeah, the the the run fits for the defense.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
They were off a little bit. They weren't.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
You know, some of the guys weren't were they were
supposed to be and as physical as they were supposed
to be. Uh, you know, and a lot of that
kind of secondary stuff because you know when when when
receivers start cracking, guess what cornerback you gotta feel and
you got to lower that shoulder.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
And the running back he was a good running back.
Walker can run that ball.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, he's uh, he's low and squatty man. He said,
he's one of those guys you hate to tackle.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
You know, Well, when you.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Look at Kenneth Walker's lower body and this is why
when I played, this is where I would chart running
backs and each guy had a different style, Like you know,
the Daniel Thomason was a jump cutter. Agent Peterson was
just going to try to out athletic you a guy
like Jerome Bettis or Corey Dillon, they're just running through you, right.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So when Ken.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Walker, I mean you look at his low body, the
jump cuts are there. But the thing that was really
impressive for me was when I think Baron Browning, Browning
tried to grab it's bad and he was still standing up.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I was just like, dude, But Steve was right.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
When it comes to the run game, every guy has
to feel they're laying field their gap and if a
tight end or why receiver goes in to dig out
a safety or a linebacker, you got to come right
off that dude bedside and you got to make the tackle.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
But it's funny because you mentioned that that Baron Browning,
you know, kind of where he joined the w WE
for a minute there.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
It was on bo Nicks's second interception.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
You heard Adam Barchiletto on the TV broke that I
was saying on that backflip because I kind of visualized
myself in the player's shoes as players are happening, and
I'm like, if that had been me, that would have
been my Let me tell you how I got here.
You're probably wondering how I got here.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
But yeah, exactly, and you know what, I know, things
came up where, you know, the turf was seeming to
be somewhat of an issue. But I would always go
back to something that Bill Parcells would always say when
I played. Both teams are playing under the same conditions,
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so if they if they are having issues, you have
to make sure that you're able to overcome those same issues.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
And most of the time, prior to the game, you
see what the field is like, you test, that's what
that's what the pregame is.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
For, right, But but I see I gave I gave you
the PC.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Version of okay, okay, but no, no, no, and it's it
was a little more vicious. But that's kind of, uh
the idea you're playing under the same uh conditions with
what's going on with the field turf. But this is
going to be a week that the Broncos definitely have
to get the ground game going.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
They definitely and I thought the guys ran hard, but yeah,
the footing wasn't bad. We had a couple of times
where a couple of linemen ran in each other.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Uh you know, they weren't.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Sure exactly which way they were supposed to go. But
that wasn't that that wasn't the problem. The problem was
there Seattle Seahawks defense. They were bringing it. Yes, they
were bringing it and got to give you think Mike
MacDonald's got credit and credit. And I feel like as
the game goes on, one team, I won't say is
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plan harder, but they're they're going a little bit further
past the whistle or uh, you know, I don't want
to say plan harder, but I mean like they get
the last shove in and I think after a while
that starts to get to whoever's getting shoved and.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
But but steve that but you're talking about that is
the joy of playing at home with the crowd, with
momentum you're going to you can shut them up, though,
I mean, but I mean the only way to shut
them up is that you have to run the ball
and you have to score points. And there were a
lot of plays that the Broncos left out there on Sunday.
But something you said when we first started that I
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want to definitely laying into is because even though the
Broncos laws, there is something they can build upon from
this particular loss because they started to mount a comeback
in the fourth quarter. You get, you know, that twenty
three yard run by bow Knicks and then he scrambles
for the touchdown.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Those are building bucks.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
All they have to do is find ways to kind
of put a full game play together where you get
you play complimentary football, you get assistance from your run game,
and your quarterback doesn't throw forty two times.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, that difficult.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
That was a lot, and I'm sure Sean Payton didn't
planning on throwing that much. But hey, when the running
game isn't working, guess what you gotta do.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
You gotta go to the thing.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, yeah, when you when you look at it, yes,
obviously you got you got to lean on the passing game.
But I still think about the fact of you gotta
find ways to get your running backs involved. And the
reason I'm saying that is because of the two guys
I spent time around. One of them you play for
Mike Shanahan, and the other guy worked for it in
Kyle Shanahan. Even if they have running backs stats sustaining
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two yard loss, five yard loss. They're gonna stay with
the run game, and they're gonna find some kind of
creative way to get the ball in the hands of
their playmakers. So the Broncos have another heavy test on Sunday.
The Steelers are coming in. They got to find a
way to run a ball because last week the Steelers
did a great job with uh TJ T J. Watt
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being able to box in b John Robinson and Jon
is a monster himself. Yeah, he's like a little He's
like another version of Kenneth Walk Yeah, yes.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
He's got John has some of the best body control
I think of any running But you've seen some of
those plays, especially with the overhead cam, and I'm sitting
there like, man, that is not fair that a human
being could be that balanced after contact.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
What was it?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I think with the Green Bay Packers game. He ran
to his right. It was a jump cut, almost like
he was Kyrie Irving. He put the ball behind him.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yes, inhuman watching the yes, could could you imagine you
have a guy dead to right? Yeah, dead to right.
He not only jump cuts you, but then he put
the ball. He went behind the back like.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Jordan's Come on, would you go to the sideline of
your coach screams at you.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
The first thing I would have said, well, what the hell?
What would you have done in that situation? Man?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Bringing that up on tape on Monday with the clicker
You wait a minute, coach, Now here's you yelling at me?
Speaker 6 (09:16):
Back this up real quick?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
What would you have done right there? Exactly? It's know
what it was like.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
It was like watching Barry Sanders run against the Chicago
Bears that one play.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
He was just bouncing up.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
The shack on Chris doority dunk because when he dunks
on him and then pushes him out of the way
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
They're what would you do? Do you?
Speaker 6 (09:39):
What can I do? Mam?
Speaker 7 (09:41):
Hell that you do?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Need somebody to yell that out in the middle of
a game one time when somebody does something awesome like
that and they know they're just you know, like when
Jaylen Ramsay got stiff Arm through the earth by Derek Hennery, Like.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Somebody on the field just needs to get mad.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Because if you're funny, that absolves all the embarrassment. No
it doesn't, because it's just laughed at on money.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
But they didn't mitigate speak.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Speaking of that really quickly there was something that happened
to me in the Steelers game that was really I
could laugh at it now, but when it happened and
it wasn't funny. And everyone knows about Hines Ward and
how he would catch people. And once again I'm thinking
I got Willie Parker dead to write. He runs past
me and Derrick Williams was standing there and I'm getting
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ready in position to go make a tackle. Then all
of a sudden, somebody turned the lights out. Somebody turned
the lights, yes, someone someone turned the lights off. When
the life came back on, I was standing up, but
I was like, something's wrong and I.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Could not find the ground made I swear I couldn't know.
What it felt like.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Was Simon and golfonk who have a song call Scarborough's
Fare And just picture me in slow motion falling.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Maybe maybe maybe we can get cool.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
To play that second scene from It's like they see
from Snatch where he falls back, you know, after he
gets watched.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
But the whole said it shows him in this empty
room and he's falling into water.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
He's just falling slowly, like damned.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Trying to stop your body. But he got knocked out
in the boxing ring.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I'm trying to remember it was that got knocked out
on her feet and it took him like it took
him like twelve seconds to get down.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
See if I don't know if that that's ever happened to you.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
But you're just like you awake and you can see it,
but you just can't move your body.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, but good for you. But yeah, yeah, he got
me on that one.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
One of the biggest complaints from fans in that game
was an absolute lack of Marvin Mims.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
The Broncos didn't go deep that often. About one third
of the.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Passing attempts went over ten yards. Two of those were
picked off, only two of them were completed.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
But Marvin Mims is getting a lot of traction this
week for not being as involved in the offense as
everybody thought he was. Now, I will say this, if
you go back and you look at a Sean Payton offense,
he loves to have a burner on the field. He
doesn't use him that often, but he loves to have
one out there. Defraie Henderson only averaged two catches a
game for his career. Ted Ginn was the same when
he was in New Orleans. The's guys he just ran past.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
He just catch it.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
But I mean they didn't go to him that often.
The thing what they would you know, they run?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Would you go to on because the guys that burner
but he can't haul in the catch.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Well, but I mean, that's not the Sean Payton offense.
So it's a schedule based offense that throws the ball
six hundred and fifty times a season at high percentage throws.
I mean, that's why Drew Brees had seventy percent completion percentage.
It was dink and dunksty that's the Sewan Baydon offense.
Give it.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
He acknowledged that and said that we had to get
him involved. But he said that last year, you know
when they were talking about Jerry.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Judy and everything else. And I'm like, okay, remember that
strike too.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Now, well, remember the same thing was said after the
big loss in Miami, right because Mams had a return
and then he had a couple of good plays and
everyone was asking that question, why isn't he involved with
the offense a lot more? And for me, that's why
I figured that was a miss opportunity. If you're gonna
throw the ball forty two times, you gotta get Mims involved.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
And also Beyley. He was one of those guys that everyone.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Was talking about, even I was talking about.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yes, but the yards wasn't that high. Yes, the yardist
wasn't that high.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
So the first thing that jumps out to me looking
at how Mike and Daniel Mike McDonald rolled out his
defense and looking at what the Broncos gonna face the
Sunday against Pittsburgh. You're gonna have to run complimentary routes
and what I mean by that, You're gonna have to
level those routes one two, three, progressional routes, but really
quick so bow Knicks can diagnose, because that was the
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biggest thing him coming out opposed to Russ. How quickly
he processed information and gets the ball out of his hands.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Do that lay him one two, three, left to right?
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Just to get him involved and have the defense known
as though they don't just have to take away one
portion of the field, they got to defend everything.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, how can we get Marvin Mims, How can we
get more speed involved? By the way, Devondal did not
practice all week thus far, He's just that rib injury.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
He's not practiced all week.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
He was the leading receiver in terms of catches for
the Broncos in that game. How are we going to
get more speed on the field though, and get this
offense to utilize it.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
That's a good question. I would imagine who's the next
man up.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Well, Marvin Mahams, I mean would be the guy right
who was used for twelve offensive snaps in that game.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Yeah, yeah, Marvin Mahams. Who else? Troy Franklin.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Well, yeah, Troy Franklin is definitely that guy. But when
you think about Troy, how much of the system does
he really know at this point?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
And not even using that Steve.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
As an excuse, the idea is that you go back
to watch the film of Troy F. Franklin at Oregon.
The kid has a special talent as far as in
the vertical passing game. Even if you do four plays
and you repeat those four plays and just split the field,
put a little.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Package in form.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Now, the one thing you're not gonna be able to
do that that much against the Steelers that the Broncos
found out they couldn't do against Seattle last week, those
little tunnel screens.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
No, man, the defense reacts too fast. You gotta have
your time, has to be unpeccables.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
The offensive lineman they have to get out there and
you know, know the right person to block.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I've seen those work.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
I've seen them work before, but when you have a
defense that's flying to the ball, it makes it very difficult.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
So usually when you when offense runs plays, most people
think they're just running plays. Some guys who have had
that brilliant tag attached to their names, they set up
plays if you know a defense is fast flowing and
they saw you the previous week running you know, kind
of any.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Kind of version of a screen. What you do?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
You run a screen even if you only get two yards,
you even lose yards, but know what you do next
time you screen and go.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Off of it. Yes, that's the way I think when
I watch games.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
It's just like, well, I put myself in on the
opposition side from a defensive standpoint, and I asked myself, well,
what would give me issues from a skills standpoint.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
And my eye standpoint.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
That's what That's how I gauge and evaluate offensive schemes
when I watch them.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Oh yeah, I mean the same thing I used to do,
the same thing.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
They come out and if I'm covering a receiver in
a slaughter or something. They do a slant and I
go up make the tackle. Guess what you know what's
coming slant?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Go?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, so yes, well you build that you tag that
slug go in just in case you see if I
see you cheating.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, I'm absolutely tagging that SLUGO.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
See that's what That's what happened to me in the
Monday night game. Again to being Roethlisberger. Somehow, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
What you did. Yes, come on, I don't know how.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
I don't know how.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Somehow we go empty covers and I'm looking, I'm like,
where is John? And I'm like, there's a guy uncovered?
So I have to come out of the middle to
cover him. Now, I got my hand almost to the
one to come.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I was to come out of the middlefield to cover it.
By Monday night football, man, Yeah you got you got
on the highlight my phone.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
I want to get in some of the stuff. I
want to get into it.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
There's some of these things that bug me a little bit.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
The Chean Payton offense with the switching personnel grooves, the
lack of pre snap motions and things like that. The
hallmarks of this offense that other teams have adjusted to,
and what how that affects the Broncos offense.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Would come back just to Broncos country night here on kay.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Well, back to it, Broncos Country to iid Ben's been
all bright, Dick Fergus sit in the Hall of Fame,
er Steve Atwater, Michael Coover back there behind the glass.
You always tell when the music is different when Couver
Vancouver's back there behind the glass. It was the first
time I'd ever had somebody back there producing play It's
rating man as pumpback music.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
It was weird, man. I gotta laugh at a coup.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
There we go.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
Finally five six six nine zero is the text line.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
One of the things that bothers me a little bit
about the Sean Payton offense. And one of the other
things that I had an I kept on this weekend
was first of all, how New Orleans did because over
the off season they said they wanted to update and
modernize their offense, and they were using Pete Carmichael, who
we brought on staff here, who was running a variant
of Sean Payton's.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Offense, and New Orleans in Week one brought.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Kobiak in and they look good. That offense went from
looking stale to looking real good. Now, granted it is
with the caveat that they were up against the Carolina Panthers,
and just about everybody looks good playing the Carolina Panthers
these days, but they look good. Derek Carr was out
there looking like you know, Derek Carr had Yeah, I
hadn't really looked before. Sean Payton shuffles in and out
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these different personnel groups almost every play, and it's it's
weird because there's not a lot of coaches to do.
I mean, there's substitutions made every play, but he wholesale
shuffles in and out these different personnel groups. And it's
been a complaint by some players who don't feel like
they can get in a rhythm with this kind of stuff.
And he has the second lowest pre snap motion in
the NFL. The top eight teams in pre snap motion
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all one. The top the bottom eight teams in pre
snap motion all lost this past week. I'm not saying
that particularly is the thing that made someone lose. The
pre snap motion has been shown to be an advantage
for offenses.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Why don't we use it?
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Especially with a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Well, I'll tell you from a defensive player's point of view,
and having played with two teams over eleven years, every
time somebody goes emotion, somebody's confused on defense, right, It's
confused to somebody, right.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
And you're begging for communication errors because you have to
communicate it.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Somebody starts moving, yes, yes, So I mean if I
if I was an offensive person, I would I would
go motion every time somebody's gonna be confused. I'm talking
about at the highest level, at the NFL, the best
league in football, somebody's confused every play.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
And the reason that happens is because not everyone has
a dedication to studying their game plan and watching film.
I mean, I'm gonna say this and people in Broncos
Country are gonna dislike it, but it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
When you look at what Andy Reid is doing with
the Kansas.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
City Chiefs, uh and he wasn't like the first person
to do it, but they've essentially perfected it. Right in
It's like backyard football and there's always some kind of
orbit motion and then the tight end coming back from
the other side. Like with exam, you're worthy when he
scored his first touchdown. They were in a reduced formation
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and from a defensive standpoint. The first thing I looked
at and say, which one of these guys are talking?
No one said a freaking word. They brought the tight
end from the right from the left to the right,
and they brought him right back, and they brought him
back as the lead blocker for.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Worthy on the reverse.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
And Worthy goes in untouched, and I'm screaming at the
television like the defenders canna actually hear me talk?
Speaker 2 (21:28):
He's in a cut split. Tell the guy on the
opposite side the Sometimes they don't know what to say.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
I'm not saying that's the case with the guys out there,
but I remember in our plan days, you go just
take somebody one side to the other and back, and
then they go and they start most again.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Oh they're damb bro yes. And that's see. That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
It's just like I look at this and I'm like, well,
wait a minute. There is a built in advantage for offenses,
even if it's just window dressing. There's a built in
advantage here. Why are we not using it? The Broncos
were the second worst team in terms of usage of
pre snap motion in the NFL in Week one, behind
only the Cleveland Browns, both teams, of course losing.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
I can say this, having a young quarterback, I think
that can be taxing on him.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
You don't think limit advantage.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
It could give an advantage if he keeps it all
straight in his head. You know it's already enough to
just take in the regular offense without all the adjustments
he's making that ready, some adjustments, but to throw in
the motions in that, oh man, that would be that
would be a miracle to see a rookie quarterback come
in and manage that effective.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
So for me, look, usually when a guy goes in motion,
the quarterback either looks at him, get finger points, head nod,
or he lifts his foot right to me.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I don't think it takes that much brain power to
do that.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Now, going through the progressions, reading the defense and finding
the intended target, yes, that's the thing. But for me,
as once again looking from a defensive player standpoint, when
gods are standing still, you make it easy for me.
I know where to go and if I don't communicate,
I know where I need to be. But when you
start having big shifts, small shifts reloads.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
And defense gets the adjustment.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
There's some uncertainty there, you know, And that's all on
the offense needs is a little crack in that foundation.
And that crack is that uncertainty by the defense when
teams go in motion, when offenses go in motion, and usually.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Most people think when receivers go in motion and running
backs is to identify a man is own.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
That is very true.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
But the idea is to get defenders to move in
an ideal position so you can attack them either in
a vertical passing game or from a running standpoint.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Because everyone has a gap. Right, if I can get.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
You just to move a fraction of an inch to
the right or the left, that now allows my guard
to climb off a dual block. That's that's two guys
blocking one guy getting to the second level. Now you
cut off. This is why the pre snap motion is
essential in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
It's I would say, Okay, maybe Sean Payton's not doing
it for a rookie for that reason that you pointed
out Steve at keeping that all straight.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
But he's also the worst to the lowest use of it.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Even when we had Drew Brees and he may have
a different philosophy on that, you know, I mean, I
get very Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
What I'm saying is that philosophy antiquated.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Well, I don't think so. But it all comes down
if at the end of the day, how many games
are you win?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Wellfare if you win, If you're winning football games, then
I guess it doesn't matter.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
But at this point, the Broncos are not winning football games.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, And is that the reason though? Is that? Well,
that's to say, I don't.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I can't. You can't put it on any one thing.
There's so many different things in a football game. You
can't put anything on any one thing. But what I'm
saying is, aren't there obvious things here that we feel
like would give us an edge or an advantage that
we perhaps are not exploiting the way that we should.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, I say, I say, yeah, Look, let's I'll put
a couple of videos up watching going back and watching
the Falcons play against the Steelers, and I pointed out
a couple the things that I saw from the Steelers defense.
They just like Seattle, they do a great job hitting
their landmarks, but they are an aggressive downhill team and
when you get an aggressive defense, this is where you
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use their strength as a weakness to attack you. There
was a play where they were in shotgun. They were
running running out of a pistol formation, which I don't
encourage to do it, but you know the Falcons could
and Alger was the running back. He got a couple
of yards off the left side, but the outside linebacker
for the Pittsburgh Steelers pursued upfield really hard because.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
He was playing contained for the boot.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
But the cutback lane, I'm screaming like if that was
TD or Clint Porter's they're still running.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
So these are the ways that the Broncos can attack
Pittsburgh because they they're great defense like Seahawks were last week,
but they have some tendencies that get them out of
position because they're so aggressive to.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Saying there's over pursuit.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
One thing that I will say that may have an
advantage in this game is Sean Payton loves a screen game. Right,
we all know Sean Payton loves a screen game. That
that's one way you can take advantage of it. Over
aggressive defense and a guy like t J. Watt pull
the screen right in behind.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Him, just run right at the first couple of plays
of the game at him.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
The Broncos get the ball, We're not even throwing the ball.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
We're running for the first two plays of the game
because we want to smack them in the mouth and
let them know.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Okay, TJ, we're gonna slow you down. We're gonna slow
you down.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
We're gonna make sure that you're you're you're thinking as
you're starting to rush, because if your first couple of
plays are past plays, he's gonna get it comfortable.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
And then after he gets comfortable.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, you want to put him back on his heels
early by running him at him. But the screen game
as well, I think is going to be vital if
you TJ defend the rum.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Oh yeah, it's yeah. I've seen him. I've seen him
personally upsetting chase down from behind it. It's personally upsetting
to be But this is why you gotta run at hi.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Okay, So when you look at the Broncos offensive line,
they're getting paid a substance a lot of money. Good
for those guys. But Mike mcglitchen, their powers garatpoles.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Oh yeah, Quinn Miner, I'm like, I just say he's
a beast. He's one of them guys. He's like Max Crosby, Bro.
Don't mess with that dude. You gotta block them. You
gotta block. But but you can't run away from him
the entire game.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
You put troutman in on that side, you do old
block him and you run right at him off the
you know, you make him beat you off the bat man.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I'm getting it.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
If you if you want to get your receivers out
motion someone down right, and then you take Quinn miners,
get him outside on the edge, and then you ear
holding bow.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You might even put Pert in at tight end. We've
got pert bowls next to each other. We're due old block. Well,
guess what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Take that, Yes, take a face TJ. Yes, okay, just
like this.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
You gotta give him that slow motion that I talked about,
just falling and you know, just talling.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
You gotta create a traffic I'm speaking of. What Let's
go out to the Can't Wait Track Center and checking.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
With Dave O Brian.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, by request for Dick Ferguson. This is what This
is what you heard in your ears as you were
slowly falling to.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
The It's exactly I said damn, mama, I'm going down.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
God, this was just playing. This was the soundtrack. Read
it like a cinematic thing. Everything fades to black in
the background. Next Ferguson just.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Fall reminds me, what was the movie Remember Old School
when Will Ferrell got shot in the neck.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yes, yeah, trying to think of slowly shut the neck.
That's exactly what.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
It was, man, because Stiffler shoots him with the track gun.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I know I'm not the only person, and for me,
this is.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
The you've seen it. You don't never happened to me.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
You know, I've hit somebody and I up and my
hand was up there, and.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
I thought it was somebody else's.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
Hand, and I'm like, and then he thinks the hen
in front of somebody else.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
You get that, You get the dots, the black dots,
the spiraling and you shake your head and then it's
like an edge of sketching.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
They just get worse. Man right to come out of
the game. But that one we were talking Who is it.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
That we were talking about that the other day about concussions.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Was this album we had Sporty Pickle. We were just
we were talking about that.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I think maybe we were somebody who played no, no, no,
it was Sunday. We were down at because what's his name,
salesman o Brad.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Because that's right.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Everybody had like it like when you got the first
time you get what was it like? And I was like, man,
it was like a camera flash and like.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Yeah, yeah, we were just talking about get concussions, and
I was saying, I told him, I said, like, been
mentioned the three dots and it was like edge of
sketchul like you're trying to shake your head and that's
the worst thing you can do is because now you're
trying to wait till the three dots become one.
Speaker 7 (30:08):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, that was like with that moment you get hit,
when you get every time you scab here has had
a concussion.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
First time you got a concussion though, I mean, what
was that For me?
Speaker 1 (30:17):
It was the camera flash, right, it went white and
then it went like black and then you know, and
then it started fading back out, you know, then the
color started coming back.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Now usually what happened, what happened to me one time
was that you get a big hit and you jump
up and everyone's slapping you in the head and you're
trying to stop and now for me, I'm looking straight.
But everything went from being and I'm like, wait a minute,
(30:52):
like where's the horizon.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
It goes yes, oh yeah, that's that's that's good stuff.
We look at.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
We're looking forward to playing Pittsburgh here or the offense.
We're not gonna get the Russ game. Doesn't look like
we're gonna have the Rust game. Although he did throw today,
he threw yesterday through today. It'd be interesting to see
if Justin Field struggles if he gets put in the game.
The Broncos beat Justin Fields last year with the Bears. Also,
he had a good game, a career game. Actually hit
that game vance Joseph is typically pretty good against mobile quarterbacks,
(31:20):
which kind of surprised me because that's probably the best
mobile quarterback game ever against the Vans Joseph Devens I've
ever seen.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
And you know what I think, I think as players,
if you've beaten a team or played good against the team,
he's just got to be one game. The next game,
you have a little bit more confidence when you're going
up against that team, and I think that Justin Fields
is going to feel that way because although they didn't win.
He played pretty well against us.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, he did.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
And the one thing about it is that he now
understands that he doesn't have to be this premier pocket
passer that everyone wants him to be. You can actually
use your legs to extend plays and break a defense down.
And that is kind of what he's going to come
in on Sunday and try to do.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Yeah, but I mean at the end of the day, though,
as a quarterback, you gotta be able to throw Tomak
Repast too.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, let's just.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Can't get it downfield. We'll see, We'll see what happens
this weekend. Broncos taking on the Pittsburgh Steelers right here
on ko A. Steve, we appreciate you coming in taking
a little time with us, say wee, I appreciate you, guys.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
We got to break Broncos country night. Ka win
Welcome to It, Broncos Country Tonight, Benjamin Alright, Nick Fergus
in the Hall of Fame or haff Steve.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Atwater, you're back, baby, back up. I want you to
put the word out on the street. We back up,
We're back. Well show that when you said half, I
was thinking, like, yes, why'd you mind go there? That's
a Hall of Fame? Hoff Well, I mean the way
that you kind of set that up.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Yes, if we had David Hasselhoff in here, we would
open with a theme from Baywatch. All right, it'd be
a night rider bump backs every commercial break.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I'm just saying, does that mean that we would have
had to run very slowly if he was on the show.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I believe we would have to talk slowly. We would
have to be in slow motion.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Attle time the entire time. Like, how did that.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Show run for what was it like fifteen seasons or
whatever plus a couple of spinoffs?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
How many people are out there drowning? Yeah, what do
you mean? How did it run for so long? You
watch this being facetious?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yes, we all watched the bay Watch back in the day.
You watch bay Watch, didn't you, Steve? He's trying to
He's trying to give me the look like he didn't,
but we all know he did.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I problem is, I don't watch bay Wise. No, we
all watched bay Watch. I watched this Red Blooded Male.
I watched they watch. I was hoping to get a
cameo role as an extra really number three.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, you know that's the thing is like I wasn't
gonn admit this, but will I actually did get it,
did a cameo in that show. My problem was the
mouth to mouth was done by Newby the guy, and.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Garner Ellerby was the guy.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Get a new mouth to mouth and didn't come in
right now.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
David Sharvey rescued me instead of Pam Anderson, and she's
got the other one and I'm just sitting here like
I couldn't get Carbon Electro five six six, N what's up?
We got a game under our belt. But it's a
little disappointing. Yeah, that's a little disappointing. But we know
a little bit more about this team too.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
You know, we know that everybody didn't play their best,
and I can say that throughout training camp, I thought
this probably was their worst showing. And uh, for me,
it's it's kind of positive because I know that they
can play much better than they played.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, there were things to like. I loved it.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I mean the defense in the first half was was
cleaning up. Yeah, like they didn't really counter the adjustments
Seattle made. Seattle switch to the trap game. They were
starting the w trap with the two polling guards there. Uh,
and they start running down the throats and there just
wasn't an adjustment from the Broncos defense in the second half.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Yeah, the the the run fits for the defense.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
They were off a little bit. They weren't.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
You know, some of the guys weren't were they were
supposed to be and as physical as they were supposed
to be. Uh, you know, and a lot of that
kind of secondary stuff because you know when when when
receivers start cracking, guess what cornerback you gotta feel and
you got to lower that shoulder.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
And the running back he was a good running back.
Walker can run that ball.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, he's uh, he's low and squatty man. He said,
he's one of those guys you hate to tackle.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
You know, Well, when you.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Look at Kenneth Walker's lower body and this is why
when I played, this is where I would chart running
backs and each guy had a different style, Like you know,
the Daniel Thomason was a jump cutter. Agent Peterson was
just going to try to out athletic you a guy
like Jerome Bettis or Corey Dillon, they're just running through you, right.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So when Ken.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Walker, I mean you look at his low body, the
jump cuts are there. But the thing that was really
impressive for me was when I think Baron Browning, Browning
tried to grab it's bad and he was still standing up.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I was just like, dude, But Steve was right.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
When it comes to the run game, every guy has
to feel they're laying field their gap and if a
tight end or why receiver goes in to dig out
a safety or a linebacker, you got to come right
off that dude bedside and you got to make the tackle.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
But it's funny because you mentioned that that Baron Browning,
you know, kind of where he joined the w WE
for a minute there.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
It was on bo Nicks's second interception.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
You heard Adam Barchiletto on the TV broke that I
was saying on that backflip because I kind of visualized
myself in the player's shoes as players are happening, and
I'm like, if that had been me, that would have
been my Let me tell you how I got here.
You're probably wondering how I got here.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
But yeah, exactly, and you know what, I know, things
came up where, you know, the turf was seeming to
be somewhat of an issue. But I would always go
back to something that Bill Parcells would always say when
I played. Both teams are playing under the same conditions,
(04:53):
so if they if they are having issues, you have
to make sure that you're able to overcome those same issues.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
And most of the time, prior to the game, you
see what the field is like, you test, that's what
that's what the pregame is.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
For, right, But but I see I gave I gave you
the PC.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Version of okay, okay, but no, no, no, and it's it
was a little more vicious. But that's kind of, uh
the idea you're playing under the same uh conditions with
what's going on with the field turf. But this is
going to be a week that the Broncos definitely have
to get the ground game going.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
They definitely and I thought the guys ran hard, but yeah,
the footing wasn't bad. We had a couple of times
where a couple of linemen ran in each other.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Uh you know, they weren't.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Sure exactly which way they were supposed to go. But
that wasn't that that wasn't the problem. The problem was
there Seattle Seahawks defense. They were bringing it. Yes, they
were bringing it and got to give you think Mike
MacDonald's got credit and credit. And I feel like as
the game goes on, one team, I won't say is
(06:06):
plan harder, but they're they're going a little bit further
past the whistle or uh, you know, I don't want
to say plan harder, but I mean like they get
the last shove in and I think after a while
that starts to get to whoever's getting shoved and.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
But but steve that but you're talking about that is
the joy of playing at home with the crowd, with
momentum you're going to you can shut them up, though,
I mean, but I mean the only way to shut
them up is that you have to run the ball
and you have to score points. And there were a
lot of plays that the Broncos left out there on Sunday.
But something you said when we first started that I
(06:45):
want to definitely laying into is because even though the
Broncos laws, there is something they can build upon from
this particular loss because they started to mount a comeback
in the fourth quarter. You get, you know, that twenty
three yard run by bow Knicks and then he scrambles
for the touchdown.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Those are building bucks.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
All they have to do is find ways to kind
of put a full game play together where you get
you play complimentary football, you get assistance from your run game,
and your quarterback doesn't throw forty two times.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, that difficult.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
That was a lot, and I'm sure Sean Payton didn't
planning on throwing that much. But hey, when the running
game isn't working, guess what you gotta do.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
You gotta go to the thing.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, yeah, when you when you look at it, yes,
obviously you got you got to lean on the passing game.
But I still think about the fact of you gotta
find ways to get your running backs involved. And the
reason I'm saying that is because of the two guys
I spent time around. One of them you play for
Mike Shanahan, and the other guy worked for it in
Kyle Shanahan. Even if they have running backs stats sustaining
(07:49):
two yard loss, five yard loss. They're gonna stay with
the run game, and they're gonna find some kind of
creative way to get the ball in the hands of
their playmakers. So the Broncos have another heavy test on Sunday.
The Steelers are coming in. They got to find a
way to run a ball because last week the Steelers
did a great job with uh TJ T J. Watt
(08:13):
being able to box in b John Robinson and Jon
is a monster himself. Yeah, he's like a little He's
like another version of Kenneth Walk Yeah, yes.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
He's got John has some of the best body control
I think of any running But you've seen some of
those plays, especially with the overhead cam, and I'm sitting
there like, man, that is not fair that a human
being could be that balanced after contact.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
What was it?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I think with the Green Bay Packers game. He ran
to his right. It was a jump cut, almost like
he was Kyrie Irving. He put the ball behind him.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yes, inhuman watching the yes, could could you imagine you
have a guy dead to right? Yeah, dead to right.
He not only jump cuts you, but then he put
the ball. He went behind the back like.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Jordan's Come on, would you go to the sideline of
your coach screams at you.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
The first thing I would have said, well, what the hell?
What would you have done in that situation? Man?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Bringing that up on tape on Monday with the clicker
You wait a minute, coach, Now here's you yelling at me?
Speaker 6 (09:16):
Back this up real quick?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
What would you have done right there? Exactly? It's know
what it was like.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
It was like watching Barry Sanders run against the Chicago
Bears that one play.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
He was just bouncing up.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
The shack on Chris doority dunk because when he dunks
on him and then pushes him out of the way
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
They're what would you do? Do you?
Speaker 6 (09:39):
What can I do? Mam?
Speaker 7 (09:41):
Hell that you do?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Need somebody to yell that out in the middle of
a game one time when somebody does something awesome like
that and they know they're just you know, like when
Jaylen Ramsay got stiff Arm through the earth by Derek Hennery, Like.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Somebody on the field just needs to get mad.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Because if you're funny, that absolves all the embarrassment. No
it doesn't, because it's just laughed at on money.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
But they didn't mitigate speak.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Speaking of that really quickly there was something that happened
to me in the Steelers game that was really I
could laugh at it now, but when it happened and
it wasn't funny. And everyone knows about Hines Ward and
how he would catch people. And once again I'm thinking
I got Willie Parker dead to write. He runs past
me and Derrick Williams was standing there and I'm getting
(10:31):
ready in position to go make a tackle. Then all
of a sudden, somebody turned the lights out. Somebody turned
the lights, yes, someone someone turned the lights off. When
the life came back on, I was standing up, but
I was like, something's wrong and I.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Could not find the ground made I swear I couldn't know.
What it felt like.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Was Simon and golfonk who have a song call Scarborough's
Fare And just picture me in slow motion falling.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Maybe maybe maybe we can get cool.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
To play that second scene from It's like they see
from Snatch where he falls back, you know, after he
gets watched.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
But the whole said it shows him in this empty
room and he's falling into water.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
He's just falling slowly, like damned.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Trying to stop your body. But he got knocked out
in the boxing ring.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I'm trying to remember it was that got knocked out
on her feet and it took him like it took
him like twelve seconds to get down.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
See if I don't know if that that's ever happened to you.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
But you're just like you awake and you can see it,
but you just can't move your body.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, but good for you. But yeah, yeah, he got
me on that one.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
One of the biggest complaints from fans in that game
was an absolute lack of Marvin Mims.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
The Broncos didn't go deep that often. About one third
of the.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Passing attempts went over ten yards. Two of those were
picked off, only two of them were completed.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
But Marvin Mims is getting a lot of traction this
week for not being as involved in the offense as
everybody thought he was. Now, I will say this, if
you go back and you look at a Sean Payton offense,
he loves to have a burner on the field. He
doesn't use him that often, but he loves to have
one out there. Defraie Henderson only averaged two catches a
game for his career. Ted Ginn was the same when
he was in New Orleans. The's guys he just ran past.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
He just catch it.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
But I mean they didn't go to him that often.
The thing what they would you know, they run?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Would you go to on because the guys that burner
but he can't haul in the catch.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Well, but I mean, that's not the Sean Payton offense.
So it's a schedule based offense that throws the ball
six hundred and fifty times a season at high percentage throws.
I mean, that's why Drew Brees had seventy percent completion percentage.
It was dink and dunksty that's the Sewan Baydon offense.
Give it.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
He acknowledged that and said that we had to get
him involved. But he said that last year, you know
when they were talking about Jerry.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Judy and everything else. And I'm like, okay, remember that
strike too.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Now, well, remember the same thing was said after the
big loss in Miami, right because Mams had a return
and then he had a couple of good plays and
everyone was asking that question, why isn't he involved with
the offense a lot more? And for me, that's why
I figured that was a miss opportunity. If you're gonna
throw the ball forty two times, you gotta get Mims involved.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
And also Beyley. He was one of those guys that everyone.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Was talking about, even I was talking about.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yes, but the yards wasn't that high. Yes, the yardist
wasn't that high.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
So the first thing that jumps out to me looking
at how Mike and Daniel Mike McDonald rolled out his
defense and looking at what the Broncos gonna face the
Sunday against Pittsburgh. You're gonna have to run complimentary routes
and what I mean by that, You're gonna have to
level those routes one two, three, progressional routes, but really
quick so bow Knicks can diagnose, because that was the
(13:38):
biggest thing him coming out opposed to Russ. How quickly
he processed information and gets the ball out of his hands.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Do that lay him one two, three, left to right?
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Just to get him involved and have the defense known
as though they don't just have to take away one
portion of the field, they got to defend everything.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, how can we get Marvin Mims, How can we
get more speed involved? By the way, Devondal did not
practice all week thus far, He's just that rib injury.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
He's not practiced all week.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
He was the leading receiver in terms of catches for
the Broncos in that game. How are we going to
get more speed on the field though, and get this
offense to utilize it.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
That's a good question. I would imagine who's the next
man up.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Well, Marvin Mahams, I mean would be the guy right
who was used for twelve offensive snaps in that game.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Yeah, yeah, Marvin Mahams. Who else? Troy Franklin.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Well, yeah, Troy Franklin is definitely that guy. But when
you think about Troy, how much of the system does
he really know at this point?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
And not even using that Steve.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
As an excuse, the idea is that you go back
to watch the film of Troy F. Franklin at Oregon.
The kid has a special talent as far as in
the vertical passing game. Even if you do four plays
and you repeat those four plays and just split the field,
put a little.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Package in form.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Now, the one thing you're not gonna be able to
do that that much against the Steelers that the Broncos
found out they couldn't do against Seattle last week, those
little tunnel screens.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
No, man, the defense reacts too fast. You gotta have
your time, has to be unpeccables.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
The offensive lineman they have to get out there and
you know, know the right person to block.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I've seen those work.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
I've seen them work before, but when you have a
defense that's flying to the ball, it makes it very difficult.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
So usually when you when offense runs plays, most people
think they're just running plays. Some guys who have had
that brilliant tag attached to their names, they set up
plays if you know a defense is fast flowing and
they saw you the previous week running you know, kind
of any.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Kind of version of a screen. What you do?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
You run a screen even if you only get two yards,
you even lose yards, but know what you do next
time you screen and go.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Off of it. Yes, that's the way I think when
I watch games.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
It's just like, well, I put myself in on the
opposition side from a defensive standpoint, and I asked myself, well,
what would give me issues from a skills standpoint.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
And my eye standpoint.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
That's what That's how I gauge and evaluate offensive schemes
when I watch them.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Oh yeah, I mean the same thing I used to do,
the same thing.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
They come out and if I'm covering a receiver in
a slaughter or something. They do a slant and I
go up make the tackle. Guess what you know what's
coming slant?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Go?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, so yes, well you build that you tag that
slug go in just in case you see if I
see you cheating.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, I'm absolutely tagging that SLUGO.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
See that's what That's what happened to me in the
Monday night game. Again to being Roethlisberger. Somehow, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
What you did. Yes, come on, I don't know how.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
I don't know how.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Somehow we go empty covers and I'm looking, I'm like,
where is John? And I'm like, there's a guy uncovered?
So I have to come out of the middle to
cover him. Now, I got my hand almost to the
one to come.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I was to come out of the middlefield to cover it.
By Monday night football, man, Yeah you got you got
on the highlight my phone.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
I want to get in some of the stuff. I
want to get into it.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
There's some of these things that bug me a little bit.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
The Chean Payton offense with the switching personnel grooves, the
lack of pre snap motions and things like that. The
hallmarks of this offense that other teams have adjusted to,
and what how that affects the Broncos offense.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Would come back just to Broncos country night here on kay.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Well, back to it, Broncos Country to iid Ben's been
all bright, Dick Fergus sit in the Hall of Fame,
er Steve Atwater, Michael Coover back there behind the glass.
You always tell when the music is different when Couver
Vancouver's back there behind the glass. It was the first
time I'd ever had somebody back there producing play It's
rating man as pumpback music.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
It was weird, man. I gotta laugh at a coup.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
There we go.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
Finally five six six nine zero is the text line.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
One of the things that bothers me a little bit
about the Sean Payton offense. And one of the other
things that I had an I kept on this weekend
was first of all, how New Orleans did because over
the off season they said they wanted to update and
modernize their offense, and they were using Pete Carmichael, who
we brought on staff here, who was running a variant
of Sean Payton's.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Offense, and New Orleans in Week one brought.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Kobiak in and they look good. That offense went from
looking stale to looking real good. Now, granted it is
with the caveat that they were up against the Carolina Panthers,
and just about everybody looks good playing the Carolina Panthers
these days, but they look good. Derek Carr was out
there looking like you know, Derek Carr had Yeah, I
hadn't really looked before. Sean Payton shuffles in and out
(19:07):
these different personnel groups almost every play, and it's it's
weird because there's not a lot of coaches to do.
I mean, there's substitutions made every play, but he wholesale
shuffles in and out these different personnel groups. And it's
been a complaint by some players who don't feel like
they can get in a rhythm with this kind of stuff.
And he has the second lowest pre snap motion in
the NFL. The top eight teams in pre snap motion
(19:29):
all one. The top the bottom eight teams in pre
snap motion all lost this past week. I'm not saying
that particularly is the thing that made someone lose. The
pre snap motion has been shown to be an advantage
for offenses.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Why don't we use it?
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Especially with a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Well, I'll tell you from a defensive player's point of view,
and having played with two teams over eleven years, every
time somebody goes emotion, somebody's confused on defense, right, It's
confused to somebody, right.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
And you're begging for communication errors because you have to
communicate it.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Somebody starts moving, yes, yes, So I mean if I
if I was an offensive person, I would I would
go motion every time somebody's gonna be confused. I'm talking
about at the highest level, at the NFL, the best
league in football, somebody's confused every play.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
And the reason that happens is because not everyone has
a dedication to studying their game plan and watching film.
I mean, I'm gonna say this and people in Broncos
Country are gonna dislike it, but it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
When you look at what Andy Reid is doing with
the Kansas.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
City Chiefs, uh and he wasn't like the first person
to do it, but they've essentially perfected it. Right in
It's like backyard football and there's always some kind of
orbit motion and then the tight end coming back from
the other side. Like with exam, you're worthy when he
scored his first touchdown. They were in a reduced formation
(21:04):
and from a defensive standpoint. The first thing I looked
at and say, which one of these guys are talking?
No one said a freaking word. They brought the tight
end from the right from the left to the right,
and they brought him right back, and they brought him
back as the lead blocker for.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Worthy on the reverse.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
And Worthy goes in untouched, and I'm screaming at the
television like the defenders canna actually hear me talk?
Speaker 2 (21:28):
He's in a cut split. Tell the guy on the
opposite side the Sometimes they don't know what to say.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
I'm not saying that's the case with the guys out there,
but I remember in our plan days, you go just
take somebody one side to the other and back, and
then they go and they start most again.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Oh they're damb bro yes. And that's see. That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
It's just like I look at this and I'm like, well,
wait a minute. There is a built in advantage for offenses,
even if it's just window dressing. There's a built in
advantage here. Why are we not using it? The Broncos
were the second worst team in terms of usage of
pre snap motion in the NFL in Week one, behind
only the Cleveland Browns, both teams, of course losing.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
I can say this, having a young quarterback, I think
that can be taxing on him.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
You don't think limit advantage.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
It could give an advantage if he keeps it all
straight in his head. You know it's already enough to
just take in the regular offense without all the adjustments
he's making that ready, some adjustments, but to throw in
the motions in that, oh man, that would be that
would be a miracle to see a rookie quarterback come
in and manage that effective.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
So for me, look, usually when a guy goes in motion,
the quarterback either looks at him, get finger points, head nod,
or he lifts his foot right to me.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I don't think it takes that much brain power to
do that.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Now, going through the progressions, reading the defense and finding
the intended target, yes, that's the thing. But for me,
as once again looking from a defensive player standpoint, when
gods are standing still, you make it easy for me.
I know where to go and if I don't communicate,
I know where I need to be. But when you
start having big shifts, small shifts reloads.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
And defense gets the adjustment.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
There's some uncertainty there, you know, And that's all on
the offense needs is a little crack in that foundation.
And that crack is that uncertainty by the defense when
teams go in motion, when offenses go in motion, and usually.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Most people think when receivers go in motion and running
backs is to identify a man is own.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
That is very true.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
But the idea is to get defenders to move in
an ideal position so you can attack them either in
a vertical passing game or from a running standpoint.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Because everyone has a gap. Right, if I can get.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
You just to move a fraction of an inch to
the right or the left, that now allows my guard
to climb off a dual block. That's that's two guys
blocking one guy getting to the second level. Now you
cut off. This is why the pre snap motion is
essential in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
It's I would say, Okay, maybe Sean Payton's not doing
it for a rookie for that reason that you pointed
out Steve at keeping that all straight.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
But he's also the worst to the lowest use of it.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Even when we had Drew Brees and he may have
a different philosophy on that, you know, I mean, I
get very Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
What I'm saying is that philosophy antiquated.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Well, I don't think so. But it all comes down
if at the end of the day, how many games
are you win?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Wellfare if you win, If you're winning football games, then
I guess it doesn't matter.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
But at this point, the Broncos are not winning football games.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, And is that the reason though? Is that? Well,
that's to say, I don't.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I can't. You can't put it on any one thing.
There's so many different things in a football game. You
can't put anything on any one thing. But what I'm
saying is, aren't there obvious things here that we feel
like would give us an edge or an advantage that
we perhaps are not exploiting the way that we should.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, I say, I say, yeah, Look, let's I'll put
a couple of videos up watching going back and watching
the Falcons play against the Steelers, and I pointed out
a couple the things that I saw from the Steelers defense.
They just like Seattle, they do a great job hitting
their landmarks, but they are an aggressive downhill team and
when you get an aggressive defense, this is where you
(25:12):
use their strength as a weakness to attack you. There
was a play where they were in shotgun. They were
running running out of a pistol formation, which I don't
encourage to do it, but you know the Falcons could
and Alger was the running back. He got a couple
of yards off the left side, but the outside linebacker
for the Pittsburgh Steelers pursued upfield really hard because.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
He was playing contained for the boot.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
But the cutback lane, I'm screaming like if that was
TD or Clint Porter's they're still running.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
So these are the ways that the Broncos can attack
Pittsburgh because they they're great defense like Seahawks were last week,
but they have some tendencies that get them out of
position because they're so aggressive to.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Saying there's over pursuit.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
One thing that I will say that may have an
advantage in this game is Sean Payton loves a screen game. Right,
we all know Sean Payton loves a screen game. That
that's one way you can take advantage of it. Over
aggressive defense and a guy like t J. Watt pull
the screen right in behind.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Him, just run right at the first couple of plays
of the game at him.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
The Broncos get the ball, We're not even throwing the ball.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
We're running for the first two plays of the game
because we want to smack them in the mouth and
let them know.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Okay, TJ, we're gonna slow you down. We're gonna slow
you down.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
We're gonna make sure that you're you're you're thinking as
you're starting to rush, because if your first couple of
plays are past plays, he's gonna get it comfortable.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
And then after he gets comfortable.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, you want to put him back on his heels
early by running him at him. But the screen game
as well, I think is going to be vital if
you TJ defend the rum.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Oh yeah, it's yeah. I've seen him. I've seen him
personally upsetting chase down from behind it. It's personally upsetting
to be But this is why you gotta run at hi.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Okay, So when you look at the Broncos offensive line,
they're getting paid a substance a lot of money. Good
for those guys. But Mike mcglitchen, their powers garatpoles.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Oh yeah, Quinn Miner, I'm like, I just say he's
a beast. He's one of them guys. He's like Max Crosby, Bro.
Don't mess with that dude. You gotta block them. You
gotta block. But but you can't run away from him
the entire game.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
You put troutman in on that side, you do old
block him and you run right at him off the
you know, you make him beat you off the bat man.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I'm getting it.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
If you if you want to get your receivers out
motion someone down right, and then you take Quinn miners,
get him outside on the edge, and then you ear
holding bow.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You might even put Pert in at tight end. We've
got pert bowls next to each other. We're due old block. Well,
guess what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Take that, Yes, take a face TJ. Yes, okay, just
like this.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
You gotta give him that slow motion that I talked about,
just falling and you know, just talling.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
You gotta create a traffic I'm speaking of. What Let's
go out to the Can't Wait Track Center and checking.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
With Dave O Brian.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, by request for Dick Ferguson. This is what This
is what you heard in your ears as you were
slowly falling to.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
The It's exactly I said damn, mama, I'm going down.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
God, this was just playing. This was the soundtrack. Read
it like a cinematic thing. Everything fades to black in
the background. Next Ferguson just.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Fall reminds me, what was the movie Remember Old School
when Will Ferrell got shot in the neck.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yes, yeah, trying to think of slowly shut the neck.
That's exactly what.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
It was, man, because Stiffler shoots him with the track gun.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I know I'm not the only person, and for me,
this is.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
The you've seen it. You don't never happened to me.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
You know, I've hit somebody and I up and my
hand was up there, and.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
I thought it was somebody else's.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
Hand, and I'm like, and then he thinks the hen
in front of somebody else.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
You get that, You get the dots, the black dots,
the spiraling and you shake your head and then it's
like an edge of sketching.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
They just get worse. Man right to come out of
the game. But that one we were talking Who is it.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
That we were talking about that the other day about concussions.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Was this album we had Sporty Pickle. We were just
we were talking about that.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I think maybe we were somebody who played no, no, no,
it was Sunday. We were down at because what's his name,
salesman o Brad.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Because that's right.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Everybody had like it like when you got the first
time you get what was it like? And I was like, man,
it was like a camera flash and like.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Yeah, yeah, we were just talking about get concussions, and
I was saying, I told him, I said, like, been
mentioned the three dots and it was like edge of
sketchul like you're trying to shake your head and that's
the worst thing you can do is because now you're
trying to wait till the three dots become one.
Speaker 7 (30:08):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, that was like with that moment you get hit,
when you get every time you scab here has had
a concussion.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
First time you got a concussion though, I mean, what
was that For me?
Speaker 1 (30:17):
It was the camera flash, right, it went white and
then it went like black and then you know, and
then it started fading back out, you know, then the
color started coming back.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Now usually what happened, what happened to me one time
was that you get a big hit and you jump
up and everyone's slapping you in the head and you're
trying to stop and now for me, I'm looking straight.
But everything went from being and I'm like, wait a minute,
(30:52):
like where's the horizon.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
It goes yes, oh yeah, that's that's that's good stuff.
We look at.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
We're looking forward to playing Pittsburgh here or the offense.
We're not gonna get the Russ game. Doesn't look like
we're gonna have the Rust game. Although he did throw today,
he threw yesterday through today. It'd be interesting to see
if Justin Field struggles if he gets put in the game.
The Broncos beat Justin Fields last year with the Bears. Also,
he had a good game, a career game. Actually hit
that game vance Joseph is typically pretty good against mobile quarterbacks,
(31:20):
which kind of surprised me because that's probably the best
mobile quarterback game ever against the Vans Joseph Devens I've
ever seen.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
And you know what I think, I think as players,
if you've beaten a team or played good against the team,
he's just got to be one game. The next game,
you have a little bit more confidence when you're going
up against that team, and I think that Justin Fields
is going to feel that way because although they didn't win.
He played pretty well against us.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, he did.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
And the one thing about it is that he now
understands that he doesn't have to be this premier pocket
passer that everyone wants him to be. You can actually
use your legs to extend plays and break a defense down.
And that is kind of what he's going to come
in on Sunday and try to do.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Yeah, but I mean at the end of the day, though,
as a quarterback, you gotta be able to throw Tomak
Repast too.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, let's just.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Can't get it downfield. We'll see, We'll see what happens
this weekend. Broncos taking on the Pittsburgh Steelers right here
on ko A. Steve, we appreciate you coming in taking
a little time with us, say wee, I appreciate you, guys.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
We got to break Broncos country night. Ka win
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