09-30-24 Hour 1 of Broncos Country Tonight

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to it Broncos Country Tonight, Benjamin ol Bright, Nick
Ferguson here live from the Sporty Pickle just north of
Epho seventy on Peoria. They got some pickleball action going
back there in the pickleball courts. They got the food.
The drinks are flowing. I may have partaken before we
got to air.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Nick, how you doing, I'm doing well. But you said
that you took in some of the partooking.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Is that a word?

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well, it is one now, I just made it up,
just put in the Western dictionary. But I don't know
what was it that you had to sip on.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
This nice cold glass of water that you brought the
picture over for.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Oh okay, I don't know you.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
You tossed it out there, so I wanted to make
sure that if I'm behind you, let me stay behind you.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Okay. I'm just looking around to see if the boss
is still here. It was the water.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
If he's gone, then might have one of those great
cocktails they got up there on the on the board
that make a good drink here at the Sporty Pickle.
You guys should should definitely come on out. Five sixty
six nine Zeros the text line, got a big show today.
Interesting day to day. Pete Rose passed away to Kimba
Mutumbo passed away fifty eight years old from brain cancer.
Rest in peace to the Kimbi Matumbo at Denver Nuggets legend.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Yeah he is.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
A couple of years ago when the Super Bowl was
in Atlanta, I had the pleasure of meeting him. You
know how people often say, well, people you look up to,
sometimes you should not meet them because sometimes they may
disappoint you. That was one of those guys that didn't
disappoint even though he's a large stature of a man,
and he was the kindest human being that I've ever encountered.

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And that was just the way that the Kimba Matumbo was,
and obviously he is. He was a different person and
a social gathering opposed to what he was on the
field on the court, because every time we saw him
on the court and he was blocking shots.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
I mean as a kid, I remember that bar waving
in the air.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
It wasn't it was a commercial that he would later
bring up that same thing.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
There was a Geico commercial.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
I think it was a Gey commercial.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
All I could think of was a kid in a
shopping cars pulling down some cereal and he's smacking a cereal,
going no, no, no, and running away.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Man.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
So when I saw that, I was just so heartbroken.
And I saw you remember Debla Shrimp. Yep, Deatla Shrimp
said something some kind words about the kim Ba Mtumbo.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
Man.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
I know people in Atlanta and here in Denver, Man,
everyone is hit pretty hard. You also mentioned, you know,
Pete Rose, Charlie Husseu. And it's crazy because sometimes we
always hear things happen in threes. So Christofferson, I was like, dude,
what the heck is going on? And when I saw

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Pete Rose, I was really upset because I thought, at
some point, whatever Major League Baseball had against Pete Rose.
And I know everyone's in uproar about the whole betting
thing or whatever, but I thought, over years, over time,
you know they say time.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
Here was all wounds. I thought they would have resolved that.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
But to know that he down at eighty three and
he didn't get his opportunity to walk through the doors
of Coopertown.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
The thing that bothered me about this is it wasn't complicated.
We should have had this right for the get go.
Pete Rose belonged to the Hall of Fame for what
he did as a player, absolutely, end of sentence. Pete
Rose deserved to be banned from baseball for what he
did as a manager, end of sentence.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
And those are not mutually exclusive concepts.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
You could put him in the Hall of Fame as
a player and still ban him from managing baseball because
he was betting on games.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Well, here's what I would say about that.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
The first thing I thought was, Okay, there was this
long thing with USC and the NCAA and the heisman
as far as he came to Reggie Bush. After all
these years, now Reggie Bush is now doing commercials. He's
welcome back in the Nissan Heisman house, right, and then
he gets his heisman back and everyone's putting his posters
and his pictures back on the wall. If they can

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do that for Reggie, why that couldn't have been done
for Pete Rose.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Well, and that's what I mean. Reggie Busch is still
fighting for all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
He's suing USC the NIL because they were using his name,
image of likeness and all that kind of stuff. And
I think he's you know, we'll see how that case
goes I think he's got a complaint. We'll see if
it's legally viable.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Uh in the end.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
But to me, we didn't need to over complicate this,
and it feels like people continue to overcomplicate it. What
did Pete Rose do as a player? Is that worthy
of the Hall of Fame? And the answer there is
resoundingly yes. He retired as baseball's whole time leading hitter.
He retired as the old time leading hitter in baseball,
and it's not in the Hall of Fame. But what
else do you have to do?

Speaker 2 (04:32):
I don't know, And I mean I've spoken to some
baseball purists and they feel as though, well, if you
bet on a game, per the rules, then you should
not be allowed. But but my opinion correct me if
from wrong the way the story goes, Pete was betting.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
On his team. Yeah, he was betting on his own team.
Sometimes you lose, well, you know it.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
What as a manager, you can't like that's the that's
the cardinal sin, right because if you think about it, like,
nobody's mad at people for betting on Nobody would have
been mad Jordan for betting on I'm gonna score forty tonight.
But they would if they said, if you bet the
under on his scoring total and then throw it because
there's a chance you can throw it, right, that's the
same thing. Michael Porter Junior's brother got in trouble for it.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Exact he wasn't betting overs.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
He was telling everybody he bet the anders and then
pulling himself out to make sure they hit. So he's
gaming the system, right, And if you're not privy to
that information, then you're working against people who are.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Putting their money in that same system.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
I know you don't, wait, I do, but it's not like, oh,
if you're a manager and you're betting against your own team,
then people that think you're going to mess with the
lineup in an effort to make sure that your money
hits because that's what you're betting on.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
Well, I can understand that.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
But but your your very first point is the point
that for me that manage the most. There is a
difference between Pete Rose the player, right and Pete Rose
the manager right, and some people can't separate into ball.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
It's the same person.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
I'm just like, No, before he became a manager for
the Reds, he was one hell of a player and
we can't just wipe all of those accolades away.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
See. See, this was kind of.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
My biggest fear when he came to Pete Rose, and
I'm sure it was his biggest fear that he's going
to pass before he goes in to the Baseball Hall
of Fame. Now, I'm thinking either this year, next year,
or maybe three years from now, then they're going to go, oh,
you know what, now, lets put Pete Rose in the
Baseball Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
And I'm like to help with that.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
You should have done that while he was still around
to enjoy the fruits of the labor. Is what he
did as a player manager. That's a whole separate, separate thing.
If you want abandon for that, fine, but he was
one hell of a ball player and he should have
been in Coopertown based on what he did. Well.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, and that's sort of the thing. I mean, at
the end of the day, I mean, what good does
it put him in? Now? I guess there's some relatives
that you know that did might enjoy it or whatever,
but he's that But that's the same He.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Doesn't care anymore, right, But that's the same thing that
bothers me when it comes to the NFL Pro Football
Hall of Fame. Right, they're putting guys in long, long
time after they should have been in, and they're not
there to enjoy everyone telling story memories of what they
did as a player or a coach. Now their wife

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has inducted them, their child has to induct them. To me,
you're doing that player a disservice. And I know everyone
is up in arms lock, but you can't get everyone in, right,
there's certain people who should be in. And oh, by
the way, I'm just gonna go ahead and throw on
out there there's no and then make.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
Sure for FCC reasons.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Let me not swear there's no freaking reason while Mike
Shanahan should still be waiting to get into pro football home.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, that one bugs me. I think I think the
most Mike Shanahan at this point. I mean the entire
uh almost ninety percent of the NFL eighty five percent
of the NFL runs some variant of the Mike Shanahan
offense at this point. Yes, I mean, it is absolutely
absurd that the architect of the modern passing game and
the architect of current NFL offenses, the guy who has

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how many coaches from his tree coaching right now.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
So many coaches just like, Okay, Eric Coriel, he's in.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Don Corier he's in, yeah, and then Dan Fouts is in, right,
And if someone wanted to have a comparison and say, okay,
well Dan Foux never went to a Super Bowl, he
never played in one, but he's in based on the
statistical numbers that he put up. So if you say, okay, well,
look at the players that play for Mike Shanahan who
are now in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
How can he not be in the Hall of Fame?

Speaker 3 (08:29):
He has multiple Super Bowls?

Speaker 1 (08:31):
I mean, you know how many coaches are there out
there with multiple Super Bowls that are not in the
Hall of Fame. I think it's him and Tom Coughlin
as the entire list.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yes, So always go back when we have this, at
least conversation with the people, well, what's the damn criteria
to get into the Hall of Fame coach or a player.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
It's it's nebulous though there is no there is no
definitive criterion. It's we have these sort of standards that
we look at and we're like, okay, well these people
accomplished this. So it's kind of this standard, there is
no established criterion and and that sort of thing. And
then we get you know, the voters. How long did
it take to get Steve Atwater? How long did he
to get Randy grantashar on all the things, you know?
And so I mean, you look at this and to me,

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I just that's the one that baffles me is Mike
Channan's the one name that's really sitting there that you're like,
why is he not the hole?

Speaker 3 (09:12):
This is stupid?

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Well, for me, I feel as though there is a
Bronco's bias because a couple of years ago when you
had both Steve Atwater and John Lynch who almost from
a mathematical equation, almost canceled one another out right, And
it's just like, look at what those players did and

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how they changed the game.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
And for me, that was the criteria.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Were you the type of player to change the game
in a particular way? They changed rules because of you, right,
be it pro or con. That was a game changer,
and that was a catalyst of why guys should be
in the Hall of Fame. And coming back to Pete Rose, statistically,
look at what he was able to accomplish during his

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playing days, there's not a single player, person, player or
person or GM in Major League Baseball that can honestly
look across from me and look into my eyes and
tell me there's a definitive reason why Charlie Husseh should
not have.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
Had his place in Cooperstown.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
You're not a single person.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
I'm with you, and I'm you know, originally I was
like no to the steroid people, but I've sort of
changed my two.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
Not even though some of those guys got in.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Well, that's what I'm saying, you can't. We can't sit
there in differentia. We don't know, you know, like there's
too many people from that era, Like you.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
Know, some of those people we know because the size
of their heads.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Well, Barry Bonds was a phenomenal player before the cream
and the clear right Barry Bonds.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Could have got in on his own.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
But I sort of get it in the sense that, uh,
and you can probably understand this as as a former
professional athlete, like there is a pressure to perform and
there are lot you know, there are places people will
go because they get desperate. I'm not saying you ever
went there. I'm saying that there are people that have
though and we know we know people that have, you
and I both those we know some people that have.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
And so like that there are there is a pressure
for all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
So the steroid thing, I've sort of because baseball turned
a blind eye at the time because they wanted the
home run numbers, the post strike.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
That's on baseball.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
That's what I'm kind of getting a And I'm like,
you know, originally I was such a purist that I'm like, no,
don't put those people in. But now I'm at the
point where I'm like, you know, how can we differentiate?

Speaker 3 (11:17):
We might as well if they accomplished it, put them in.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
But see, to me, that's the hypocrisy of baseball, right,
do as I say, not as I do. And to
know that during that era, everyone kind of looked away, right,
it was something that was happening in the clubhouse. If
you were one of those guys that was not doing
what everyone else was doing, then then everyone looked down
upon you. But there was a moment in baseball where

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even the pitchers say, you know what, my livelihood depends
on how well I pitch. And with these guys juicing
and taking whatever they do in the cream and all
of those things. Then it's gonna affect my numbers the
next thing, I know, I'm going to be down at
the minors. So in order to balance things off, guess
what I have to.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Do field right, And so yeah, it's it's part of
It's one of those things.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Where I I used to sit on one side of
the fence and I've I've kind of jumped sides of
the fence and come around the other direction on that,
on that particular subject.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
But Pete, to me, this is easy to me.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
What Pete Rose did as a player is a self
contained unit, right, and that belongs to the Hall of
Fame and the rest.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
Of it, you know.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
I mean, uh, the same question abounds to other things
because we tend to off the field type stuff, want
to pull all this stuff away.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
You know, does does O. J.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Simpson And this is a touchy subject, but does OJ
Simpson stuff take away from what he did as a player?

Speaker 4 (12:38):
No, you know, because because one happened before the.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Right and so that's that's kind of where I'm at
with that.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
It's the same thing, like you don't have to like
what happened what he did later on. You can absolutely
condemn that. And I think everybody universally does. But at
the same time, the player that we all saw prior
to that accomplished those things.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
So it just seems bizarre to sort of pretend like
they didn't.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Well, here's one.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Of the things that you look at right now. So
Buzz Seeley was the former MLB commissioner. When Pete Rose
is pretty much banned, Rob Manford as a sitting commissioner,
could he could be the one that changed things right?
And granted, when someone passes in this situation, it influenced

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people from an emotional standpoint. Could that emotional standpoint push
Rob Manford to say, you know what, this.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Has gone on far too long. I want to be known.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
As a guy that kind of changed things and people's
perceptions up Pete Rose and allowed Pete Rose to be
celebrated in that particular way instead of being remembered for
as a guy that gam.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
It on baseball.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, I agree, and we do both.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
We need to get Mike Shanahan in the Hall of
Fame as well, as you mentioned speaking of the Broncos
ten nine victory, Squeaked one Out gets to New York Jets.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
It was certainly sent in the end as the battle.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Of missed field goals went on, you know to me,
and I think Matt Ryan said it best. He's like, first,
the quarterbacks got to learn how to not lose before
he can learn how to win.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
And that's sort of what we saw.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
What we saw at the end of that Jets game
at the first half, and it was bad.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
I mean, it was brutal, but it was bad. In
the first half.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
He was was at five of ten for negative seven yards.
The ball was not even in the area code of receivers.
And to be fair, Aaron Rodgers did struggle in the
first half as well. The Rodgers ended up with two
dred twenty five yards passing. I looked at this game
and I saw the second half where the Broncos started
running the football and they were successful with it. I'm like,
here we go, here we go, here's the game plan

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to winning.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
This is it.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
We're doing it now.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
So I'm hoping that that will be a large portion
of the game plan going forward. But the big winner
of the day to me is the defense. They absolutely
deserve all the flowers that they get. Twenty nine points
allowed over the last three games. That's less than ten
points a game, and that gold line stand after Riley
Moss drew the the DPI and the end zone and
they held the New York Chats from punching it in

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from a yard out on three tries. To me, that
was the ballgame right there. That was absolutely the stand
to play whatever you want to call it, MVP moment of.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
The game, Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
And the game was sloppy by all rights due to
inclement weather.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
And I would dare to say that inclement weather.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Had a lot to do with what the Broncos wanted
to do because I know Sean payn wants to throw
the ball, That's why he has bow Knicks. But in
those types of situations, it turns into a nine on
seven game, right which team can dominate the line of scrimmage.
And look, I'm gonna say this, and I've knowing football

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the way that I do. I look at certain things
and I picked through him with the fine tooth comb.
I'm gonna give validation to the offensive line. They did
a great job of protecting bow Nicks. I don't believe
he was sacked at all. And when the Broncos start
running the ball, and that's what you want to do
to start out games. You want to show your offensive

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line that you have enough confidence in them to allow
them to go out there and punch the posing defense
in the face, especially when you know that the front
four for the New York Jets, Let's keep it real,
those were some of the better defensive line that they're
gonna face all season long. But to see the Broncos
controlled the line of scrimmage on both sides, that was

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really key. And I don't want you know what I
was gonna get into this later on, but I'm just
gonna throw it out there. I mean, for me to
have a commitment to Javonte Williams, that was a game
changer for me because we've talked about it before on
this show. There was too many times there was constantly
changing of the personnel grouping and he wasn't able to

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get into a groove.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Do you feel like the injury to Tyler Bidet sort
of forced Sean Payton's hand as he only had two
running backs active, to maybe keep them out there and
let them get in a groove even.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
More Absolutely, because you and I talk to better on
game there. We were sitting right across from one another.
When Javonte fumbled last week against the Bucks. It was
almost like he was in some kind of a doghouse,
and it was like, okay, well, Taliba Day was going
to eventually end up being the lead back because they
wanted more speed, more bursts that they felt, so opening

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the game he was that bat and then when he
took that shot, it was like, okay, well, now we
have to give the ball back to Javonte to show
that you know what, let me put my hand around you, Javonte.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
We didn't lose faith in So here's the ball and
go to work.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
And because Javonte, like I was when I was taken out,
was upset.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
He was pissed. He had a point to prove.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
And as though you watched him run against the Jets,
it reminded me of watching him run at North Carolina,
where he ran like he was pissed off someone took
his lunch money and he was looking to punish someone.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Good.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
That's the guy that I saw at North Carolina and
why the Broncos drafted him. But I wanted to see
them feature him more over the past couple of games.
But that Jets game, by default, they fed him he
ate and then he actually picked up yards on the
ground to reward the Broncos for now returning the opportunity
back to him.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
We're gonna get into that, break the whole thing down,
talk a little bit about the forthcoming Raiders game.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
All the news of the day.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
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Broncos Country tonight, Benjamin all Right, Nick fergus a line
for the Sporty Pickle Bar and Grill about a half
mile north.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Of E four seventy on Peoria. They got the pickleball courts.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Going back there, I can see quite a few players
back there playing. They got the the food and drink
a cer guy mile I profit here they are. They're
sitting right there, front and center, got food right in
front of them, got a nice tall cold within a
frosty cold. When there I'm a little jealous, salivating over here,
just saying I have to drink water while I'm on
the air. You know, the FC see it all that,
plus you know the bosses, but they got drink food
and drink specials down here.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Get on down here, Sporty pickle.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
We're giving away Raiders, Raiders Broncos tickets for this weekend
about eight o'clock, so you've still got time.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
To get up here and get registered, get involved for that.
Excuse me as well. Five six six nine zeros text line.
Got a couple of money now. Football games going on.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
We got the Miami Dolphins taking on the Tennessee Titans.
You got the Detroit Lions taking on to Seattle Seahawks.
Plenty to do here, Plenty of big screens to watch
it on and enjoying that right there as Dan Campbell's
giving us the Superman muscle flex there for a second
on third goal, Nick the Goes.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Pull off the win.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
It was a stressful game that may have set football
back one hundred years, but they did find a way
to pull it out.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Bo Nicks had the.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Lowest yardage second lowest yardage of any quarterback to get
a victory in Super Bowl history. I think you have
to go all the way back to the nineteen fifty
I believe seven, when the then Washington Redskins had negative
nine passing yards and still managed to be to win
a football game against the Pittsburgh Steelers by doing it

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all on the ground in that particular game. So it
but they did find a way to do it, and
a lot of that has to do with having the ground.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Game being successful.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Will Sean Payton put aside his baser instincts and stick
with what works, which is the ground game in this scenario.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Well been at this particular point, he has no other
choice because the proof is then to put in. We
saw the Broncos do a couple of collective things offensively
on the ground that we haven't seen them do all
season long, and they were affected. One of those things
was give it the ball to Javonte Williams, really feature him.

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I saw trap plays, wham plays, I saw misdirection plays,
I saw outside zone plays, a little bit of everything. Yes,
and once again, that's what you have to do. It
takes me back to remember the Cleveland game last year
and Cleveland their defensive line man Mouth Garrett, they were
coming in here humming. But the Broncos did a great

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job of running inside trap to kind of throw them
off and create space for the running backs. The only
problem with that was there was no continuation of that.
The following weeks and the weeks after that, we didn't
see the Broncos continue to run the ball with that
sense of urgency and that just kind of directiveness where
we saw the scheme and plays being designed in that

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particular way. I'm hoping based on what we saw, even
though low scoring game, there was something there for all
those individuals who felt as though, well Javonte Williams was
falling off. He's still laboring, he still seem as though
the injury is still bothering him.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
I'm gonna tell you no.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
I mean the fact that he came back as early
as he did last season, that says a lot about
the kid. But also looking at the type of devotion
that he ran with and once again, this game is
about chemistry, getting guys in the rhythm. He rewarded the
Broncos by getting so many attempts, and to me, you
can't go away from that.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Because I know some coaches go, well, you know what.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Maybe the other defense called on to what we were doing,
so what they gotta still have to stop it?

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, if you're getting four or five yards of carry,
four and a half, five yards of carry.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
They're not stopping it.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Keep doing it, keep doing and to do that. And
this is the most important piece of it.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Right.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
The Broncos did that against a very good defensive coached
New York Jets team. Yeah, Whinning Williams was part of
that defensive line to get guys and allow of those
guys to penetrate, move them off their spots, and then
allow Javonte to hit space.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Look, they even went plays with the fullback in the backfield.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, Mike Burton, let's become an I formation football team.
Everybody else is spreading it up. Let's go with the eye.
I don't even care. I'm here for it.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
I'm here.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Let's run the football down everybody. So I talked about
this when the season started. Look at Ball's gonna be
the guy. Let's be a power run football team. Build
off play action. We saw both throws. The touchdown to
Cortland his first passing touchdown of the season, it was off.
It was either off, across or dagger. I couldn't really
talk to go back and look, but he threw it.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
He threw a little high. Courtley had to make a
play on it. There might have been a little nerves.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
But we've seen him be a fit when the ground
game is effective, if he's effective passing the football off
of it, So why aren't we doing that. We don't
have to show everybody we're smarter than everybody. Let's be smart,
stronger than everybody. Let's punch him in the mouth and
keep punching them in the mouth till they give up.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
Man, it's football.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
It texts me back to watching the Baltimore Raves against
the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
Right.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
What the Baltimore Ravens did was throw back, bloody your
nose football.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
Yeh.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
They ran the ball down their throw and they in
the Dallas Cowboy defense and Mike Zimmer they knew it
was coming, and they still couldn't stop it.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
The Bills couldn't stop it inither.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
No Buffalo Bills knew it was coming.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
And here's what's happened to the NFL.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Everyone is falling in love with the quarterback and it's
it's a it's a quarterback driven league, and it's so
much so that they've abandoned the run game. But if
you don't if you don't have balance in your attack,
and you can't even threaten the team, maybe two point one.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Yards on the ground.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
You were playing behind your with both hands tied behind
your back, essentially.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
Right.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
I don't understand this, and I don't understand why we're
trying to throw the ball forty times a game of
the quarterback who.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Clearly is still getting his feet under him. You know,
we should be running the ball.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
We should be We should be sitting here, pounding at
home and letting him build off, play action, pick and
choose his spots. We don't need to sit here and
and run. What it is that Sean Payton ran for
Drew Brees. Bonix isn't Drew Brees.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
No, he's not. He's not here. Here's the crazy part
about it.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Once upon a time Alex Gibbs coached here, and then
Alex Gibbs left and went to a couple of teams.
You know where he ended up at one particular point
in New Orleans, right, if I'm not mistaken, he ended
up in New Orleans. And once again, the idea is
to develop an offense that allows your skilled players to

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operate with efficiency. Now, no one's saying that bow Knicks
has to throw for three hundred yards a game. No,
at the end of the day, did you win, and
then knowing that you have one of the better defensive
units in the league that's turning the ball over.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
To you, and then you in situations where you can't goo.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Like back to back weeks, the Broncos defense gave the
ball back to the offense and great field position. Worst
case scenario, you kick a field best case scenario, touchdowns,
and two weeks in a row the Broncos have fell
to capitalize off of those turnovers. At some point, you
got to reward those guys on defense from working how

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they're working to turn the ball over.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
You have arguably the best defense in the NFL. I
think you have to seriously consider I've said they were
a top five defense, but you have to seriously consider
the Denver Broncos as the best defense in the NFL
right now, Okay, I would have a run game that
is capable of getting you four and a half five
a carry if you if you do more the lip service,

(26:35):
if you do more than just hammer and running between
the beat gaps on first down with you know, and
then we're going back to throw with you. If you
if you make a commitment to the running. We saw it,
we saw it happening against the Jets. And it's not
like the Jets are a slouch of a defensive team.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
No they're not.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
They're good. We saw it.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
You've got a great run game when you want it
to be great. You've got a great defense. You have
all the recipe for success for this quarterback, except you're
mixing the ingredients in bass ackwards and coming out with something,
coming out with something where you've got a quarterback who's
throwing the ball forty times a game when you don't
need to be doing that at all.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
See.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Most people hated the game on Sunday for so many reasons.
Me being a defensive player, I loved it. It was
a baseball school.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Every yard matter, every yard man, every inch right, every inch.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
You were fighting for every square.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
See if you remember the Tights, you you know he
fight for every inch and make sure they remember forever.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
And look, I don't like these high scoring games anyway.
I don't like you.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Remember I was at Baylor and somebody a couple of
years ago ended up being like seventy to seventy or something.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Everybody was scoring every play.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
You had the basketball on grass game with the mahomes
and golf when the Raiders Chief and the Rams Chief
squared off a few years ago.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
I don't like those games, man, I.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Mean, I'm a seventeen ten, you know, maybe a twenty
four to seventeen shootout, you know.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
You know kind of guy.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
No man.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
The game on Sunday, I know weather played a factor
and certain things. I loved it because it was old
school smash back, throwback football.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Right.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
If you wanted to move the ball, you have to
had to move a man off of his spot. And
for me, I love those types of games because we
know you're going to run the ball, right.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
You know you run the ball.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
We know you're running the ball, will meet you at
the ball.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
And to me, that was mono OMNo football. And the
Broncos can win games like that. They're built to win
games like that. We just don't play them like that.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
But I know, I know some fans are not used
to those type of games, and I know Sean Payton
is not used to those types of games because you
want to air it out, but sometimes that may not
be the possibility. And what you're approving is that, guess
what you have to learn how to win on the road.
Even though this is a young team, and this team
is not viewed by people on the outside.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
As far as making the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
But you got to do two things if you want
to be considered a playoff caliber team, either now or
even next year. You got to play defense when you
turn the ball over at a high level. And you
got to know how to run the ball in critical situation.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
Right. And so far this is what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
I know he's only one sample size, but now they
can double back down on that on Sunday against the
Raiders and do the same thing.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
Well.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
I loved it.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
I saw a team that was, it was taking the
handoff and going with it. I saw a team that
was it was smash mouth, it was coretty and and
knew how to work through traffic. Speaking of to traffic,
let's go out chick in with Dave O'Brien and see
how the roads are going out there. Welcome back to it,

(29:32):
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Speaker 3 (29:40):
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Speaker 1 (29:43):
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Speaker 4 (29:47):
Plus get yourself.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
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Speaker 1 (29:53):
An hour a little over an hour to get come
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Speaker 3 (29:58):
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Speaker 1 (29:59):
An Electric hater, a drink during the wild Card Electric Haterade,
which consists of lemonade, blue Carousel tequila sprite taking rim
with a cherry and lime garnish for thirty five dollars
and eighty nine cents. First of all, isn't that ridiculous
for a drink? And second of all, are you drinking
the Electric haterraid?

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Well, well, first of all you should know me, I
am not a drinker. But as you were given a
description of all the ingredients, that just sends the hair
off of my chest.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
So might have put more on there one of the checks.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
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cents for this thing. It better come it better be
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Speaker 4 (30:37):
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or something?

Speaker 1 (30:41):
With us and say I like a challenge doesn't say
if it has gold in it, like gold schlager.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
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all what's going on here. It just says that that's, uh,
that's what this drink is.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
So as we're we're watching some Monday night football, lines
out to an early lead, Titans up on the Dolphins.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
You know it's.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
With the Broncos this past game. The weather did affect
so much of it that you wonder how much of
there is to take away from it. But there are
things that take away from it. There are things that work,
are concepts that work. And while Bo had a very
very bad first half throwing the football, there were receivers open.
I'm tired of seeing stuff, you know what, I'm tired
of seeing. I'm tired of seeing the latest fad, which
is people on social media talking about wide receiver separation

(31:27):
and yards per separation. Bro, if we're throwing the ball
behind the line of scrimmage, you get zone coverage. That's
not even a real thing.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
There are certain plays that were called on Sunday that
kind of left you scratching your head, either from an
execution standpoint or just a play calling standpoint. And for me,
maybe with the idea was just try to get bow
and somewhat of a rhythm and give him some of
those dump off type of plays. But there was a

(31:57):
play to the right side of the offense, closer to
the Jets sideline, where you had Troy Franklin out there
off the ball and Greg Doss was on the point
and Dj Reid, who I've been around with my time
with the San Francisco forty nine ers and I coached him.
He made one hell of a play beating Greg Doses
off the ball to tackle Troy Franklin. Now, could that

(32:21):
play have been at more positive plays if executed properly, Absolutely,
Greg Doses has to do a better job understanding who's
in front of him. As soon as the ball snaps,
He's got to get out in front of the guy,
get his feet almost like basketball, like you're trying to
take a charge, and put your hands on DJ Reid
because you're a much larger god, you have to be

(32:41):
able to move to him off the ball. And for me,
once I go back and I watch it, and it's
just a compilation of both of those things. Maybe not
the right call or maybe the call right call, but
not execute it properly.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
So I'm not really down on the Broncos offense.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
I wish it would have been much better from execution standpoint,
And you're right, it wasn't Bo's best performance. Could he
have thrown a couple of those passes with more timing
and rhythm? Some were either behind or they were too high.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
There were something that were not in the right area
code on the in the first half, and there were
quite a few that were too high.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
And throwing the ball high like.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
That consistently it is usually a sign of nerves, nervousness,
or you know, something like that. And and with his case,
we keep you know, I think I think reporters are
asking the wrong question because we see Sean Payton start
to get annoyed with this where we're talking about confidence
in the quarter He's a plenty of confident guy. He's
a quarterback in the NFL. Wouldn't be a quarterback in
the NFL if you were't confident.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
That's not the question.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
The question should be you know these of these in
the nerves because it looks like Bonux has nerves in
these games.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Well, okay, wait, wait, a minute, Wait a minute, So
why can't both of those things be the same. They
sound because your confidence ties into your your nerves, right,
So if he's having nerve issues, right, is.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
That not a confident thing. And now I'll say this.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
I think Sean Payton's deliberately parsing the definition because you've
heard some of the answers that he has ever and
he blows off that every time. I think he's parsing
the difference on that. And for me, somebody needs to
specifically ask hibout. You know, he's just got nervous because
it looks like he is.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
See, I don't think it's for me.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
I don't see bow Nicks being nervous, right, I see
sometimes bow Nicks pressing.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
Those are two entire different things.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Okay, I can get with that. I can get with that.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
So I think next time someone's asking that question to
coach Peyton, that's to be the question that's being asked
because it's more likely than not that bow is pressing, yeah,
trying to make plays opposed to allowing to play to develop.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
I just I see him not setting on his base
and you can see under thrown balls because he doesn't.
He lacks the torqu unless he's set on his base.
I see him up on his tiptoes. And we saw
the Courtland Sutton touchdown that if Courtley hadn't made a
good jumping and play on that ball, it probably would
have gone over his head. You know, Cortland made a
good play on that touchdown to come down with it.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
But that Paul was thrown way too high, was wide open.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
He should have been thrown to the outside pylon, not
up in the It should have been thrown you know
where court could go over it.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Okay, not making an excuse for Bowl or Aaron, but
when when there's a downfall, as though we saw in
met Life Stadium, the it had been raining for a while,
so the equipment guys can only protect those football for
so long, right, and once those balls start to get

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soaked with water, it makes it a little difficult.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
It's difficulty.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
So I'm thinking a little that had to do with
both quarterbacks struggling to have a little touch on their passes.
But I always go back to something that Bill Parcells
would always say he didn't give a damn what the
conditions were because the other teams were dealing with the same.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Aaron Rodgers du for twenty five yards, but once again
it wouldn't dry balls right finding a way to make plays.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
But keep this in mind too. On the play that.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Bow made to Courtland for the touchdown, where was he
moving to his right outside the pocket?

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Right?

Speaker 2 (36:03):
When you think about Aaron, what was he doing outside
the pocket? So moving outside the pocket, bringing those players
from left to right to right to left right where
you can see him from a progressional standpoint, it makes
those passes that much easier.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
So my point is, get Bow outside.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
I'm here for we'll get it more into that when
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