11-07-25 Hour 1 of Broncos Country Tonight

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Is the text line, you guys want to get involved
in the conversation.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Interesting game last night.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
I think everybody saw our KOA pregame picks and guys,
three to two was meant as a joke. We did
not need to try to emulate that for my sake.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
No one was trying to do that for you, Ben.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
It just happened that it was a low scoring game,
and I saw I can't remember who it was, said
something send me on social media, almost singing your praise.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
And also it was attached to Ryan Edwards too.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
As well, and just me paraphrasing the fact of no,
we need to listen to beIN I'm just like, well,
I'm not going to do that. I'm not gonna do that.
But I said that obviously your score. You had the
Raiders winning three to two. I had the Broncos winning

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forty five to ten. And what I said to this
individual is, even if you wanted to put fun at
my predictions for me, it just it just proved the play.
Like when I when I first predicted that, Ben, is
because I felt the Broncos from a personnel standpoint on

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either side of the ball, more specifically offensively.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
They were the better of the two.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Now, the Raiders had a betteran quarterback and Gino Smith,
but the Broncos had a young, youthful sophomore and Bo
Nicks who I deemed to be more athletics.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
So I said, hey, this is going.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
To be a game for the Broncos to come out,
nationally televised game.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
You're the only show on.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
And we saw what we did, and I was so
so sorely disappointed for the fans at in power feel
because you were at the game, and so was I,
and when certain things happened, young Sekers he.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Was there too as well.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
When you you could hear the groans in the moans
of the fans as they were getting upset as to
what they were seeing.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
I was getting upset.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
I think people could probably tell my voice is a
little bit off tonight. That's for me screaming a little
bit last night because I was getting tired of I.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Finally, yes, I finally my voice got elevated.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
I finally got to the point where I was like,
this is this is utterly ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
That's kin and it's not. It's it's the problem.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Here and the problem with the Broncos offense and it's
not it's not one thing. It's not one thing. It's
a lot of things. It's penalties, it's not catching balls
that you should catch, talking to you Tyler today or
Evan Ingram, it's not throwing the ball accurately, talking to
you Bo Nicks. It's not making sensical play calls and
playing to your offenses strengths.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
And that's on the head coach.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
And I see a lot of people White Knight and
for Sean Payton on social media today and I'm like, look,
he shares a portion of the blame. If you're continuously
dialing stuff up for a quarterback you know can't execute it,
then that's.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
On you, because you know running the football is working.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
And if you've got a quarterback that can't decipher it
at the line, either he doesn't have enough time or
he's not able to do it right.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
So you have to you have to figure out what
else is.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
If it's not enough time, then you've got to figure
out a way to get into line faster.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
We've been over that. If it's if it's he doesn't
have the ability.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
To do it, or he's just not there or whatever,
then you got to quit call and stuff that's forcing
him to do that.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Well, then is what I feel is happening. And he's
gonna piggyback on what you just said because once again
watching social media, watching the comments, listening to you know,
our station here the fan react, but also just kind
of paying attention to what's happening around and the national

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conversation about this team and especially bo Nicks.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
It is well, Bo has regressed since last season.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
And for me, I'm still the fan of bo Nix
because I think he's still he's.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
A very talented young player.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
But the issue that I see, Ben, and you tell
me if you see the same thing, I see a
little of confusion and hesitation in bow because there were
several times last night watching the game where both seemed
as though he was caught between the rock and a
hard place. Do I run the ball because all my
guys are covered, or no one's creating space, or do
I stay in the pocket and wait for someone to

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come free. Oh I'm sorry, now you are either sacked
or you're throwing a ball in the dirt.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Take the yards. Take the yards.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Every time a gain of three is better than a
loss or a zero. Take the yards, and I get
you want the explosive plays. I get the numbers on
explosive plays. I get all that, but right now this
offense isn't there. Take the yardage, stay ahead of the sticks.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
And that's what I like when I see both doing
and we've seen both do it at times this season.
And I'll go back to the Houston Texans game. The
game is on the line, the Broncos need to get
in a field goal position.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
I mean dere Stingley drops it in a session.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Now you have an opportunity when everything parts like the
Red Sea, he takes off and.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
He runs, and that's kind of the NFL game.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
And I know certain coaches, and I think Coach Payton
is one of those guys that say, well, that's backyard football. Right,
backyard football doesn't play and say that it's not sustainable.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
One main thing that it's not sustainable.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
But what I do know from a defensive standpoint, that
puts a lot of stress on you defensively because you
have no idea when that quarterback is going to take
off and run, and when he does, who's.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Actually covering him. Oh, I'm sorry, everyone's in coverage. So
why not just bow? Just just take those yards.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
I'm with you on that, and I sort of my
guess is is if they've tried to coach him out
of that, they want to coach him to be a
pop guy.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
And my guess is that that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
They want him to hang in there and they want
him to you know, they want him to hang in
there and do that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
That that's my guess.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
I'm guessing here speculative, but because it doesn't make sense otherwise.
We're talking about a guy who did run last year
and the last but there's a definitive cutoff point to
when he quit running, and that was when he had
the back fractures last year after I believe it was
also the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Game, but we didn't even know that was even the thing.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
We didn't but we started to see, we started to
see him not looking to do that and to hang
tight in the pocket.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
You know, I don't know. There's so there's so many.
Bonix leads the NFL in passing attempts right now. That's
bizarre to me. It's bizarre to me that you've got
a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
He has three hundred and fifty passing attempts on the season, leads.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
The NFL, and it is bizarre to me that that's
the case.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Why would we have a quarterback that leads the NFL
in passing attempts well, and he's not capable of this offense,
is not capable of executing this stuff.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Okay, well, you say, well, the why, Well I think
you know the why, but I guess we all kind
of get trapped into what we're seeing and why it's happening.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
But let's be totally honest between you and I, we
know the why.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
The why is that it was said that by the
head coach, Bonis is going to be one of the
top passers.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
In this league.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
And the only way to get to that market is
you actually have.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
To throw it.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Being the top passer in this league is not my goal.
Winning football games is my goal. And right now, and
I'm conflicted because right now we're eight and two. But
this is the softest eight and two I've ever seen.
But as we're constantly taking back, it's the second softest.
It was a straight It was a run there where
Kansas City was playing a couple years back, where they
were playing enough of a backup quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
You remember that they got.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Into like thirteen and Ohero or something like that, and
it was all they were playing like all backup quarterbacks
you know, all year.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
They just happened to lucky the luckiest schedule.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Okay, so what we'ld you say to those fans riding
around listening to us here in Denver, California wherever, you know,
appreciate you guys listening to BCT.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
But those fans are saying, well, a win is a win.
Two things you're right, say those people, you're right. I
would say that there's two schools of thought here right.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
One is that you're winning games and that's the good
enough is good enough, you know thing of thought. And
the other one is it's like is this sustainable? And
that's the we play for super Bowls school of thought.
This team is not going to win a super Bowl
like they're not not as construct without a significant leap
forward from the offense. This team is not winning a
super Bowl as they're going to make the playoffs. I mean, barion,
absolutely epic collapse. This team is going to make the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
We're there, we will. We're gonna make it. But will
it be an early.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Exsit You're going to get bounced because if you look
at the schedule, we've played.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Soft, crappy teams.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Our signature win is a is an Eagles team that
was missing a couple of players, and you know it
may not have been as good as we thought they were.
I don't know. I don't want to discount that. Let's
just call that a good win. Beyond that, what is
the other good win?

Speaker 2 (08:46):
They have?

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Beating up on historically bad Dallas defense? I mean, the
defense held that offense in check. And we beat up
on terrible defenses between New York, Cincinnati and Dallas, which
all three are headed for epically bad years and terms
of defense, most of them.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
We beat on cam Ward Jake Browning? Who else we
beat up on? Justin Fields? Justin Field?

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Or we didn't want to beat up on it, how
we should have been up on We shouldn't beat up
on that one. You know, you you beat Jackson Darton
on w a second full game starting.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
You know, what do we what do we do this
past week? We beat up on Davis Mills.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
We're beating up on Geno's the Corpse of Geno Smith.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Like it's sort of a reminder of that.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Year Kansas City got out to that hot start because
they were beating up on crap, you know, backup quarterbacks
and stuff, and I.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Want to win Super Bowl. I want this team to
win Super Bowls.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
And the team is constructed right now, is give me
tebo vibes where like, yeah, it's fun and sure, a
win's a win, but this is not There's.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Gonna be a point where this is no longer sustainable.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, I know you run into the Patriots in the playoffs,
you get the breaks beat on.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
I know you took a lot of flat for making
the comparison earlier in the week, but I understand why
it is not saying and if I understood you correctly
at the time, it's not saying that you are comparing.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
T Bow to Bow. Nick's right.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
It's just the fact of how the Broncos are winning
similar to what it was when T Bow was a quarterback.
And I thought the same thing consistently watching the Broncos
win games. And as I was at the game yesterday,
I was around some fans and the idea was that,
you know what the fans were saying, we got to
write exactly where we want them because wait until the

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fourth quarter, and then the fourth quarter, kid, and then
there wasn't this massive turnover right, and reality started to
now pick his out as ugly as head right.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
I felt bad for the three to two prediction. After that,
I was like, oh my god, I should have gone
with it. Have seen me high score for you know,
like two hundred or something, just to make this thing.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Ridiculous, Zach, I don't want to get too siloed.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Here, because you know how I am. We think we
all know how I am. Only I can ring the
w out of the wet blanket. Where do you come
down on last night?

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I think it was pretty.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
Pathetic not to dump a cold bucket of water onto
the already wet blanket. But yeah, I thought it was
pretty pathetic, at least on offense. Now, I'll say defense
pitched a shutout. I think, you know, holding an opponent
to ten points in the modern NFL is always impressive.
Doing it when you're getting zero support from your offense.

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I mean, they get zero first downs for the first
quarter and a half and still you know, the defense
doesn't break. I think that's incredibly impressive. They got six sacks,
that keeps them on pace to set the single season
sack record.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
But the positives kind of starting to end with the defense.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
I guess maybe some of the Special Team's execution stuff
outside of Crosshaw was cleaner, but.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
In Crossha was terrible. But we haven'tn't gotten to the
yips yet.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Yeah, I just I guess the one thing I would
add is, I'm pretty darn concerned about bo Nicks. I
think Sean Payton needs to do some word to optimize
the attack. I think you we both agree there, But
I think the Broncos are in a really uncomfortable place
on offense where like, yes, they have to run the
ball more, but I think they have to run the
ball now into unfavorable run looks like they kind of

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just have to surrender that point, and that's not where
you want to be as an offense.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Do you do you agree with young seekers?

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, I agree with the assessment that this offense hasn't
really taken off yet. And to use like a I
guess an airplane type of metaphor, they're still circling the tarmac.
They've yet to take off. And this is a problem
because I listen to individuals nationally and I listen to

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individuals on the station and say, well, this this team
is young and they're just trying to figure it out,
and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Wait a minute.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
At some point we have to hold everyone accountable, coaches
and players alike. We can't continue to make excuses for
what it is that we see because when we make
excuses for or really adding to the justification. And the
reason I'm saying that because I played for this team
when they were at their heights, right, and I joined

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the team from the Jets, not knowing was what I
was walking into. But I quickly realized that there's a
certain love of expectations here in Broncos Country that you
don't get anywhere else, right. And then also I was
around Bill Parcells in New York, and you can't there's
no fluff with this dude. He's gonna keep it a

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buck one hundred percent. And if we were sitting to
sitting talking to Bill Parcels right now and he would
listen to all this is, but this is to win.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
It's the team is young.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
He's gonna tell you to shed the hell up, right,
because he's gonna like, we what does your eyes tell you? Right?
We know what our eyes are telling us. We're not
trying to be debute downers. And that's not what I'm
trying to do. I love this organization, I love this
fan base, but we have to be realistic about what
it is that.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
We see with the wind on the Raiders not playing
the Raiders of the wind free zone on the field
of He's like they're playing in the same wind that.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
You are, like everybody's. I was always hated that kind
of stuff. I have six six tene zeros of text.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Like four a last two games. Six total rushes in
the first half six okay.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Oh rush, three of which came on the opening three plays.
I mean, and I'm just like, I'm just baffled, like,
is this bo checking out of rushes? Is is Shawn not
colon rushes?

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Because it's working, like it mostly works, especially on first down.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
We run really well on first down.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
You can I give you guys something I tweeted out
last night that I noticed at halftime, and it was astonishing.
In the game against Houston, right, we would agree that
the Broncos could start off from the ball more, but
they didn't take a Dobbins went into halftime with four
carries for twenty four yards and as long as.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Was twelve yards.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
I believe last night going into halftime four, Kerry's twenty
four yards thirteen yards was his longest and I was like,
wait a minute, Wait.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
A minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Something is glarely staring out and poking his head out
like a gopher Ryan Whackamo. And the idea is that
you need to run the ball. Jack Dobbins has shown
that he is being effective. And albeit I know Coach
Payton mentioned it well, the Raiders Patrick Graham had a
great game plan and they knew we were going to
run it, and they were preparing us to stop the run.

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I don't care run it anyway. You know what Mike
Shanner's hand with him off the ball, yes, right, bno Imano.
And here's the other thing, really quickly. Why was Adam
Trutman trying to block Max Rosby?

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Oh? That was yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Why is Courtland Sutton trying to throw the ball on
third and one?

Speaker 2 (15:45):
What are we doing? Why?

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Why is every time we have a short yarda situation
we do the cutest, weirdest stuff of all time instead
of just punching the ball for a one yard game?

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yep, I thought one of creativity. Yeah, I don't. I
want success, so let's put it in the phrase as
far as uh, you know.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
What's genius getting first downs? That's genius get first downs. Yes,
like see, I just don't like, I don't understand this.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
If it's second one, you want to dial up a
deep shot because it's second one, you think you can
grab it on third and one.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Okay, I sort of get that, right. You get inside
the five, you get down to the two.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Uture running back takes you from the five of the
two on first down and he doesn't see the ball
again for three straight plays and you don't get any
points out of it.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
That's not genius. Well, what was.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Crazy was that Deander Filman got got another interception.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
We gotta put him right back to the way he's
making people miss and nothing.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
He needs the team in interceptions as a D lineman, right,
And they said the Broncos up to score.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Well guess what you didn't score? How do you not score?
If you're the defense?

Speaker 1 (16:49):
You have to Like as I talk to Sir Nod tuesday,
and he seemed pretty upbeat. He was like, you didn't
see it wasn't like a couple of years ago, you
remember where the defense was kind of tired of the offenses.
You know what, Yeah, and they're like, bro, you guys
gotta score like what you know? It wasn't like that
at all, Like he was pretty positive. Now we're good,
they'll get there. I don't know if that confidence levels
the same right now.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
I would you blame them this. We wouldn't blame them
if they were frustrated. Now, no, let me put you
let me put this in perspective.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Okay, this defense has allowed fewer points through ten.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Games than the twenty fifteen defense.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
His defense has allowed fewer points through ten games and
fewer yards then the No Flies on twenty fifteen Super
Bowl winning defense.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
But this is still the sassage you're quoting. Is the
same reason why people believing that this year.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Twenty twenty five Broncos can duplicate that.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Performance, albeit because the defense they were the tip of
the spear for the team.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
And oh, by the way, Peyton Manning, he was a
show of himself.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
So they're thinking, okay, same thing happened at twenty fifteen
can actually happen now.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
And whereas you couldn't really convince yourself Peyton Manny to
page forty or whatever is gonna turn it around. Maybe
you can convince yourself that, hey, we saw Botnicks play
and I don't even think it's that parfest.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
We've seen boat Nicks play.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
A lot better than what we've seen these past couple
of weeks. Hopefully you can shake the yips off and
maybe recapture.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Some of that twenty fifteen magic. Maybe.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
I mean, the difference between that defense and this defense
is that defense generated turnovers and scoring and this defense
is not.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Whereas the defense get a lot.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Of sacks which do lead to punts, which are in
effect a turnover, but you know, they don't get you said,
I got a legitimate takeaway, right, They're not getting takeaways
and scoring points like that defense was.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
And then the other side of that is.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
This offense is not turning the ball over the way
that offense did.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
That offense turned the ball over quite a bit. So,
you know, just some things.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
But I just I was looking over that, just kind
of comparing it, like, Wow, this is fascinating what these
numbers are kind of you know, kind of doing. This
is an eight and two football team, and I'm still
asking the same question, are we any good?

Speaker 3 (18:50):
That's wow for you or any Broncos fan or any
national medium member to ask that question of a team
that's eight and two, how good really is this particular team.
And the answer to that question is really easy. It
is based on the defense, their projections, how long they

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can continue to play this way, how long they can
continue to play in tough situations.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
So that's what I want to get until we come back,
because we saw what happened last year injuries at the
end of the season, the body started breaking down a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
This defense started leaking oil right at the end of
the season. We saw it.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
I mean, I will throw that Cleveland game with the
Jamis stuff out because that's just ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
But overall it did. It started leaking oil a little.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Bit towards the end of the season, and I'm worried
that continuing to count on them to bail everybody out
when we're about to hit the meat of the schedule
is not.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
A winning formula.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
And like, I hate we're aiding too. Why am I
looking at this thing doom and gloom? Somebody shake me
out of this Broncos country that backup to this.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
We're just recapping the game from yesterday.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
The Broncos, I guess sad loss to the Raiders you
can plug in any type of additives you want to
describe it. But it wasn't an offensive explosion as I
thought it would be or should have been, because when
you think about the Raiders defense, they were ranked twentieth

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and points allowed twenty third overall. And I know the
idea in the concept was like, oh look how great
the Raiders defense was last night. It was like, well,
technically they're not really that great statistically, but they you
can tell there was somewhat of a game plan for
the Denver Broncos.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
I want to shout out to that becau Zach pointed out,
pumped the brakes on this Raiders defense.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
He was the only guy in town.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Who was sitting there saying, hey man, this defense a
little bit better than the numbers indicate before this game.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
So I do want to give your flowers on that.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
I appreciate the shoutout. I will say I didn't expect
to twick anything like that. They should have. That looked
like the two thousand Ravens.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
You know, it was I think a tougher matchup than
somewhere making.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
It out to be. It's just a yeah, it was embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
I'm gonna point out something that I've noticed since then.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
I'm gonna take you guys back.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Remember the first preseason game the Broncos on the row
against San Francisco and bow Knicks was backed up.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
You remember what happened.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Robi Sla sent to Nickel blitz right, and it seemed
as though the Broncos were ill prepared for so much
so I think Seampagne is mad because Roba Sala decided,
after getting their butts kicked and practiced that week.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
That he was gonna diwal of the Blitzes right.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
And as the seasons started to progress, I noticed a
glaring issue with the Broncos. And I know when you
look at things statistically, the offensive line has not surrendered
a lot of sacks. But if you go back and
you look at the number of precious because Patrick Graham
all being that the Raiders did not have a great defense,
they were not in the two thousand and six race.

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The one thing that he did he had simulated pressure.
So they were able to get pressure with five guys.
They were able to get pressure with four guys. You
got five it to blot four. I'm not a genius,
but I know that five beats four. But that simulated
pressure seems as though it's constantly causing the Broncos issues

(22:21):
as far as maybe in the count the protection scheam
or something. But I did notice or I have noticed
that simulated pressure has created issues for the Denver Broncos offense.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, it has, I think. I mean, I'm curious this
bo not reading this thing out. Is he not knowing
what he's looking at?

Speaker 3 (22:39):
You know?

Speaker 1 (22:40):
What is it that we're getting pre snap here with
that kind of stuff because we are seeing, we are
seeing the people with simpress we are seeing with it.
You know, is this not getting to the line with
enough time to survey it? Is it just not seeing?
Is or is it something I talked about during the
off season They got laughed at by Sean Payton, and
now I don't think he's laughing. But the team's got
a year's worth of tape on you, and they so
to know what you can and can't do when they

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try to force you into things that you can't do.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
But that's why I was little thrown.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Off when someone attempted to ask coach Peyton about the
sophomore slum and he was quick to shut it down.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
But it is a real thing.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
The reason is a real thing is because people have
a chance to collect data on you and actually watch
film and figure out what are some of the things
that you like to do as a coordinator in the quarterback,
And they also understand what things give you problems, and
they try to present you with more problems than anything else.
But you brought up something then that is rather interesting.

(23:36):
And I think when you think about the mindset of
a quarterback, let me take you through it for just
a second. Obviously, he's got the green dot, so he
first has to get the play call in. Then he's
got to get the play call, and then he has
to disseminate it to everyone in a huddle. Now, if
he's on the road, you dealing with crowd. No, it's
at home, you don't have that issue. Well, what happens

(23:58):
if one or two of these things I'm going to
tell you happens Someone in the huddle goes, what did
you say? And now you have to repeat it again?
Now what happens too when you're getting the call the
call is so long. By the time you get to
the line of scrimmish, that clock that's behind the defense's
counting down. You know your progressions because you know the play,

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but you can't really celebrate the field.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
And try to do certain things a quarterback can do.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
And this is why I say, well, the long plays
or the vast play sheet is creating issue because coach
Payton has to identify personnel down in distance which call
he wants to call.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
And then he's got to get it in you and
yeah and so and on top of that, like more
and more quarterbacks are going back to the wristband because
it's so much easier to go risk pan fourteen, riskpan fourteen.
He took you one and a half seconds to get
that in right, yeah, versus trying to get in you know,
an incredibly verbose play call that it can take you

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and you got to repeat it twice. And I think
it's just it's it's fascinating to see, you know, the
teams are understanding.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
That you got to get things in quicker.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
You got to get people up to the line quicker,
you got you know, you give your quarterback more time
to be able to do stuff, and it seems like
we're not.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
So so what do you say, Because you know you're
going to have a fraction of the fan base and
even those in national media, who are going to say, well,
if bou was what Sean said he was in the
pre draft process, he was quick to process information. Why
do you need a riskband because that says a lot
about him or or will indicate to certain people, well, he.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Needs a risk band. He's not as smart as we thought.
What do you say to those people? Well, I would
say that maybe he is, and maybe it's just it's
just so much.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
I mean, the only other quarterback to operate to sing
that we saw it was a Hall of Famer and
Drew Brees, you know, an old time guy.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
So maybe maybe he is.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
But there's something to being a young guy. When when
Drew Brees got to Sean Payton, he was already Drew Brees.
He was already he had already been to Pro Bowls,
he had already put up he was four years in
the league. He wasn't a rookie that was drink to
throw fire everything, throw fire hos like he had reps.
Sean Page just let him throw twice as often because
Marty Shan and I want to let him throw.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
But you know they if you can get to the
line quicker, that that changes everything.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
And there's a vast difference between ristpan fourteen riskpan fourteen
and you flip right double XJA thirty six counter naked waggle.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
At seven quarteracks on one.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
You know, like it's it's it's it's I mean, and
then you got to.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Repeat that, you know well, and you also have to
hope that there's not a ready call in there where.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Where there's a well, not a ready call, but a
quell call.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Right, So so the first play that you had to
you know, regurgitate, there's a quelle call because the defense
does something. Now you got to go to another call
that is just as long as the first call.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
And what's the what's the old Gruden call with Christian
the famous Gooden call kreen right X shift to viper
right three eighty two X stick look you why or
what hey?

Speaker 2 (26:59):
This just goes wa banana yeah right.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Right kill kill, But I mean just saying, so you
got let's say, let's say your bass play all right,
so green right X shift viper right three two x
stick lookie right, and then you've got scattered the west
right tight f left three seventy two why sixty sport
kill kill snub right seventy two do kill time out
time out.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
I didn't get that. We're already gout of thirty second.
Now we gotta jump now, we gotta jump out there.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
In this play, we're pros that that's too worthy of
a call.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
And I know someone would say, well, you have to
be smart to push that out. It's not just about
being smart to push that out, it's can your players?
Can your quarterback actually get those words out of his
mouth to tell every single person on the offense exactly
what it is that they are doing and with their

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rot responsibilities where they are in the progression all of that,
I'm like, there has to be a more simplistic way.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
What Okay?

Speaker 3 (27:58):
I read something the other day and they said the
evolution of knowledge is simplicity, not complication, right, because complication
metaphol to speaking, it leads to chaos, right, And that's
what we're seeing.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Is it not kiss method?

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Right?

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Keep it simple, stupid, Yes, you want to You want
to lubricate the process, and the easiest way to do
that is to keep it as simple as possible.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Two on three of the play, calls are stupid as
bleep for being called random words. Uh see, why did
never have wristbands? You just say a play and everybody
has their own only their command on the sheet for
that call. No, I mean, I guess that's that's one
thing you could do. I think the most streamlined way
to do it. These two guys came up with a

(28:47):
system about twenty years ago, and it was it was
two guys. They called it to the Earhart Perkins system.
That it's one thing adopted in New England. It's it's
what Tom Brady used to get those spit the burbage
out a lot quicker. And that system seems to have
seems to have been effective in getting play calls in

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and getting it in a little faster.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Well, I'll say this, the Broncos had some time off,
not a substantial amount of time, but I think the
guys would be bad and well, I mean, but they're
gonna be back on Monday. But this is an opportunity
to get the play sheet, reduce it and work on

(29:32):
reducing the play call because I don't want Tony want
to tell me that, Well, you can't do.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
That in the middle of the season.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
Well, if Mike McCoy in the bye week can make
some changes for freaking Tim Tebow, Sean Payton can do
this because he is perceived to being called by some
to be a genius. So why not do that to
make your offense more efficient?

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Just I say, let's just find the twenty things we
do well and then and we're going to do that.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
So rins and repeat for the next game.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
I mean, we got ten days to sit there and
get core competency at a game plan that is going
to beat the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Well, Ben, I mean I've heard from people today that, well,
the outcome was what it was, and the performance was
because what it was based on it being a short week,
and that the players are beat up. Now I will
agree that. I mean, these guys have been playing football
for a while. A lot of these guys didn't even
play in the preseason, but they've been playing for a

(30:34):
while without a BUYE. But it made me think, remember
when the Broncos went over to London and they played
against the Jets, they didn't have arrests.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Now, someone said to me it was by design because
maybe the Broncos did not want that buy Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
They in fact, they literally asked not to have the
buy after they come back.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
See, now, once again, let's look get last night outcome
and what was being said, or I was hearing the
players are beat up, that they're tired, they're a little exhausted.
Not to say that if you had that game things
would be different, but for the sake of argument, let's
just say after that Jets game, the Broncos had a

(31:16):
little layoff. That would ad meant that they would have
had like almost three buys in the season.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
So you get you get some days.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Off for the international game, you get ten days off
for the Thursday night game, and then you get your
regular buye Yeah, I mean, am I am? I my
mind and trying to figure this out in that particular way.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
No, I mean, you're gonna get the Bronx is gonna
get days off because you get the mini bie after
the Thursday game right now, right, you get to buy
after the Chiefs game. They got another Thursday night game
against Kansas City on Christmas.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
But this is why I'm thinking that that rest after
the Jets game would have been great, even though they
beat the Giant, but it was three quarters worth.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Of of gross. I mean, they did beat Dallas, they
beat the Giants. Since then, you know, I don't, I
don't know. And of course to Houston, I don't know.
I mean, maybe we'll find out. You're getting ten days
now and you're getting a bye week after that. We'll
find out. But it's just frustrating. It's frustrating to me
to be eight and two, an incredibly good record in
the NFL by any stretch, and look at this thing.

(32:24):
And you know, I've been around football for a long time, Nick,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Know for any good. We're good on defense.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Okay, Okay, we're good on defense, yes, but I don't know,
Like as a teen, like, if I say I don't know,
we're any good, I like, we could as easily win
three games the rest of the year as we could
win them all.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Okay, Well, what do you say about this theory that
when you look at Kansas City Chiefs, Right, we already
we already talked about the twenty fifteen theory that's being
tossed out, how the defense carried the offense, so and
so forth. What about the whole idea of what happened
with Kansas City last year and the number of closed
one score games that they won. Saying okay, well, if

(33:04):
Kansas City was able to do it and they marched
all the.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Way to the Super Bowl, why is it that this
team can't do the same thing. Well, there's nothing you
said this team can't do that.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
But at the end of the day, I mean, if
you're banking on every game in the NFL is like
just about a one score game, Like most games in
the NFL are one score games, you know, So I like,
I don't like that transitive property. If this team did it,
we can do it. Okay, the possibility exists, but what
is the probability?

Speaker 2 (33:36):
And that's that's the difference.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yeah, you know, and each each year is different, each
game is different, and as long as the defense is healthy,
you can always count on mcgiver.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
As I called suit last night, Oh you did you
didn't look at your eye? I wasted that whole tweet
on you. Hey man, it was late last night. Mc
guiver gift and everything I even liked. I put a
gift in there. I did every day. I miss it.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
We gotta go break, I gotta go cry, we gotta
go to break. Brought us cat today back up for
this