11-07-25 Hour 3 of Broncos Country Tonight

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dude, I bet within al Bred Dick Ferguson's see, it's
our fustic temper came into a freak.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
He's so mad at us.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Oh okay, then Dave Tepper bow leaves.

Speaker 4 (00:13):
It's not that, and as I was telling him, is
it's not that I.

Speaker 5 (00:18):
Don't believe in bo, I don't believe in this team,
and I don't believe in this offense. It's just that
there there's a couple of things that we're seeing that
are hard for me to unsee.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
As Dave Tepper has had enough.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
And he's right now here always. I mean, it's just
I can't believe this fool frado in this town.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
I cannot believe it.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
I mean, this team is eight and two, Yeah, we
still freaking your quarterback barely.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
I mean there's halfway through and you get interacting like
the two and eight. I cannot believe my brains. I
cannot believe my eyes and my ear holes.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Tonight, Well, folder, because I got.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
I want to believe sign up here, But I mean,
like I can't wait with like, look at the teams
that we beat, who cares. I mean, we're not that
far move from this.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Team being barely unwatchable and they're eight and two and
they're finding ways to win. I mean, you got a
second year quarterback who's sorry, he's not Pat Mahomes or
Tom Brady, who just you know is basically birth as
one of the greatest of all time.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
I mean, what is the problem?

Speaker 3 (01:23):
He is eight and two, the kids making plays more
down the stretch, so he's not all of a sudden
playing four great quarters. My god, I cannot believe my
brain cells with what's happening here.

Speaker 5 (01:36):
No one ob to mine now has attacked, you know,
bow knicks in that particular way, because I believe in
the guy, and I believe if there's every.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Week five week being at the wrong time, is this
is affecting this team?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
What is what is happening? It can't I believe. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
What I'm saying is is like, man, you're looking at
a team that is in first place in the National
Football League up until the least Sunday, sitting there first
play division, with a second year quarterback and Sean Bayton
who's been.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Here for a handful of seasons and only made him.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Better and better and better, with one with with the
best defense in the league and one of the better
defenses we've seen in years. And I'm here here eight
and two by beating the one in eight Titans, the
one in seven Jets, the two and seven Raiders, the
zero to three with Jake Browning Cincinnati singles.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
What the Dallas Cowboys, who had historically bad defense.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I'm not even saying you yet. I don't disagree with
you another one. I don't disagree with you all that.
I'm not saying this team is winning the super Bowl
this year. What I'm trying to say is.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
We're watching a team develop and find its way. This
whole thing in the super Bowl talk to start the season,
I didn't love it myself, right because it's.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Like, hey, you know it too high.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Fine, But what I'm still saying is is what they're
doing is phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
I mean, we watched the Ads and the Nuggets.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
You watched team teams find their way, they struggle, they
got to figure things out. Last year, they couldn't win
close games. This year, they're winning close games. We're watching
a team evolve, watching the quarterback see if he can evolve. Yeah,
I mean it's like, what do y'all think?

Speaker 5 (03:16):
No, No, you mentioned development and at this stage of
the season, they're eight and two, we at the you
know me away point and ideas that, okay, well, where's
the more more more, Because that's the way it works,
That's how it's been when when I was here as
a player, it was always more and more. And it

(03:39):
was due to those years where the team wasn't winning
as much that the expectations went down where some fans
were so thirsty for anything to take place that they'll
welcome anything.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
And I'm just I'm just saying, you know, as what
do you.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
I mean, what does it y'all need you need?

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Like, okay, a game, I'm.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
For heart medication of the fourth quarter because I've said
there having to bail themselves out of some stuff, they
still get up for three quarters. If if we're sitting
here bragging about.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
How good this defense is, knowing that this league and
just about every sport is built on defense winning and
they have won. Therefore they should be and have been
in every game, So you don't need to sit there
and have some lighted up offense.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
You don't need it. You don't. Look at the Cincinnati
Bengals last season. I mean I would take this.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
I am taking this all day compared I mean, do
you know how many teams in this league would.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Take these problems today?

Speaker 5 (04:43):
Yes, they would, but those a lot of teams that
for so many years have been so mediocre.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Here in Denver.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
You mentioned the Abs, you mentioned, well, you're not gonna
mention the Rockets, but you missing as struggle. Then you
developed expectations of those teams are so scott high based
on the talent that they have and what they've done
in previous years to get you to that point.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
So if the.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
Nuggets came out and they didn't perform well, I would
like to think the Nuggets fans would look at them
and say, Okay, well we know what you're capable of,
and you're not living up those to those expectations.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
To the development point, I would agree with you, excepted
five of the ten games that we played, we scored
twenty or fewer points.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
When I'm sitting here watching Bonix, who I mean, I know,
we're all rooting for this dude. No more composition than
the lead in a sport than than what this guy's doing.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Right.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
So last year I'm watching this this guy's a rookie,
and I'm like, man, you know he's making a lot
of plays, but down the stretch, I don't feel like
he's really making a whole lot of plays.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
And now that was one of the things I was
hoping for this year.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
It's like, Man, I hope this guy can start being
a dude where I go, Man, just give ball the ball.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
You know, with a driver or something to go and
see what he can do.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
Well.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
All of a sudden, now this season he's been doing that.
I mean, he's been a guy's been making plays now
down the stretch.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
So I'm looking at a guy who's almost flipped what
we had where last year. He's making some plays, You're
seeing some sparks, but for the most part, I always
felt like, Gosh, I could use a little more here
when the pressure is high, in when it matters, And
now this year I'm seeing him make more of those plays,
and he's just not making the plays when the game starts.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
I'd much rather of a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
I'm talking about the body of work, not just that
hard to watch Raider game yesterday. I'm saying I'd much
rather have a dude who is making plays down the
stretch and figuring it out as the game goes along
than a dude who's a first half QB who it's
the end of the game fades.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
But that quarterback that you speak of, I like that
quarterback right, And this is why I press the button
on this particular subject matter so much, because if he's
giving the opportunity to really play his particular game instead
of being forced to play inside of a glass box
and what maybe his offensive coordinator wants him to play.

(07:04):
It's proven to be very difficult watching the film and
watching a little what seems to be a little confusion
and hesitation on bow.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Whether he's going to pull the trigger to throw or
he's going to run to me.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
That puts that young quarterback that you speak of in
the sophomore season and a tough spot. This is why
you take the governor off, you remove the white gloves,
and you allow him to play the game that we
watched him play that made him a first round draft.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Source because the head coach said, you know what, we like.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
This kid because he's shown the propensity to process information.
The guy I'm watching out right now, he's not processing
in that way because he's thinking too much.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Sure, and you know, one of the bigger fears about
a second year you know quarterback is what's he going
to do in that sophomore season when all the film
is out on him now? And you know, things are
just frankly tougher because teams find what your weaknesses are, right,
So of course it's harder. Of course he's having a
harder time processing what this is because teams are throwing

(08:08):
even more at him now, trying to attack his weakness.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Do you call that a sophomore slump?

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Now? A sophomore slump that's like you're eight and two?
Absolutely not. I would not call this a sophomore slump.
With what he's doing. I'm watching it. I am watching
a guy.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
The league is adjusting to him, and they're seeing can
this guy adjust back?

Speaker 2 (08:29):
And we're watching to see if he can. I don't
know if he will.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
I'm not saying what the end game is going to
be with him, but what I'm watching is what I
I believe that's what's going on. Is Yeah, he's processing, Yes,
his brain is an overdrive, going what do I do
in these situations because teams are throwing stuff at him
that they're that they've been looking forward to throwing at
him to see what he'll do with it.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
This is the exciting part to see is like, man,
is this guy.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Gonna be able to break through consistently in this league
and be a quarterback that you know, we certainly want
to be here in town?

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Or is the league in figure out?

Speaker 5 (09:05):
But you can't break through at a player as a
player at that position, the one of what is perceived
to be one of the most important positions and pro
sports without a little help.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
You need to help, little help from your friends, the
guys around you.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
You don't yes everyday.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
It's because this is the ultimate team sport.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
You need your offensive line to block, You need the
run game to help you out, You need your receivers
to make plays out in the passing game.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
You also need.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
Play call into ass issue. I just gave Ben a
stat about the Broncos as far as this season. I
think eighty six percent of their snaps are in shotgun,
twenty four percent are under center.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
When you and shotgun that much, you.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
Kind of predetermined or you tell the defense what you're
going to do so they don't even worry about the run.
And what we've seen happen here and it's not me
just making this up. Well, we've seen players JK. Dobbins,
for instance, last night being one of those times. And
there's other examples where he starts off running the ball
at a high clip and we see one or two

(10:10):
things happen. We stopped running the ball for a while,
or there's a switch. Because I told these guys before
we started to show, there was a glaring halftime stat
that blew my mind. In the game and the loss
against the Texans, at halftime, JK. Dobbins had four carries
twenty four yards. His longest was twelve yards.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Three of those carries came in the first three plays
of the game, right.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
And then in the game last night at halftime four
carries twenty four yards, longest thirteen yards. What it said
to me is that we don't have a commitment to
the run game, which would help Bowl and open up
other things down the field. So this is why I
say I'm not criticizing Bowl. I'm talking about big picture.
Why is it that the team has to wait until

(10:52):
the fourth quarter to now start to pick up tempo
when it could start in the earlier three quarters.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
The just a visit of both thing. I mean, it
was the same way when Russ was here. We had
three quarters of hot garbage.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
I'm seeing a lot of these national folks that are
are complaining about Bo, right, and I'm like, guys, like,
what what what do we I mean, why don't you
just see what this guy's going to do over now?

Speaker 1 (11:15):
What?

Speaker 5 (11:15):
What?

Speaker 1 (11:16):
What?

Speaker 3 (11:16):
I I don't disagree that's staff that you said to
start the show, that he has the most pass attempts
three hundred and fifty.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
He has the most passing attempts in the league. Yeah,
that's that's that is not what we want to see, right,
So I hear what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
I mean I I at times it's almost life because
Bo is so much Seawn's guide. There's I fully agree
there's a showcasing kind of a kind of an an
effort that goes on at times. Right, you want to
show off your toy. You want to show off your
guy in some way, right, and I think he falls
in love. So I'm not questioning what you're saying with that.
I don't disagree with you. Particularly of a defense like this,

(11:50):
I would say you should run the ball. He should
not lead the league in the attempts. So I don't
disagree with you on that.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Now you know this weekend there's a couple of guys
that could protake she capt up to him after they
play their games, Dak Prescott, Joe Flacco, Herbert Mahomes. Those
guys could theoretic. I don't think Mahomes is gonna catch you,
but the other ones could theoretically catch up to him
on passing. But so at worst, by the end of
the week, he'll be in the top five still in
passing attempts, which.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Is I would.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
I would agree it's still too much for a defense
that we have here in Denver. And and to the
point these backs, you go out and get Dobbins and
you and you draft Harvey so high. So I'm not
I'm not disagreeing when you say his friends, I would
I would take that and go, Yeah, I think the
play calling could set him up for better success.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
And that's all.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
But that's all I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yeah, but what you're saying is you'll talk about this
football team as a whole like it's two and eight.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
I cannot.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
I mean, I had to come in here and and
give some form of reason to UH to this show.
You're welcome for that, and.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
We appreciate anytime we had a chance to get an
NFL owner of the Carolina Panthers in here.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Things we have to take me. I'm like, is this
upside Downland? I mean, what are we?

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Stranger was absolutely unwatchable product, and I'm just I'm seeing
what you know is a journey of a team that
hopefully can reach the top. And my hope for the
team is, you know, win a playoff game. That would
be absolutely outstanding to do that, win the Super Bowl.
What team on Earth doesn't want to do that? I mean,
of course everybody wants to do that.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
I want to see the team just.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Continue to make its progress. And I have seen a
team that is absolutely making a lot of progress year
by year is what I'm seeing. And struggle, of course
is going to be struggled, but the finding ways to
win this year when they hadn't and I just, uh,
I mean, my god, I can't believe what I'm here.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
And around around the country. It just blows my brain.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
Well, the national people are criticizing bow and I think
there's an underlying of reason why the.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
I just haven't said, we just got to talk about it, Okay, Well.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, yeah, I understand, but three hundred Really, what I'm
trying to do is delineate process and result, Like, the
results are good, we're eating too, But is the process
good enough to carry this team from the playoffs which
they're probably gonna make at this point, we're eight and two,
we're probably making the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
It would it would be an epic collapse to not
make the playoffs at this point.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Is the process good enough to from making the playffs
which we did last year, to winning playoff games to
winning a Super Bowl? And the process right now seems
flawed in that the liability has been both struggling lately.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
We're not putting him in the right position to succeed
in some of the things that he's doing.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
And oh, by the way, he somehow leads the NFL
in passing attempts, averaging thirty five passing attempts a game.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, that's what he averaged last year. Yeah, thirty five.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Well, look, I would absolutely be with you guys on
running the ball more and these kinds of things here,
But just hearing, hearing, hearing people, I mean, anyway, you're well,
you're welcome, You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
You hear that they're.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Walkome for some sense for twenty minutes to r three hour,
five hour show.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Here, it's the incredible. Dave Tepper Intelligence, You're welcome. Directed
you over here, direct all the guy over here. I
mean he's like, yeah, I mean I just don't know
where I read is buttered. I'm not just agreed. I'm
happy to just finally have some sense on this show.
It's where his bread is buttered. Country. I back up

(15:22):
for this. You get the Boston here. Dave Tepper what
he what are he? Intelligence?

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Hilarious, handsome, full head of hair, mat young man that
is straight shooter with upper management ridden all over him
and can do no wrong.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
And that was that was great, the difference of viewpoints
and being able to pass it out.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Don't get out. Hey, you're showing their belly now from
the Zach Singers playbook here.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah that was that was great though.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
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Speaker 2 (16:03):
You can get the thank you for going to podcast
archives as well. With that, let's get to an NFL
six pack. It's time for the NFL six pack.

Speaker 6 (16:11):
I'm gonna create the last inside information you can't find
anywhere else I know the top six NFL headline.

Speaker 7 (16:21):
What FGENS advanced analytics model currently gives the Broncos a
fifty eight percent chance.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Of winning the AFC West. Is that number too low,
too high?

Speaker 4 (16:36):
Or just right?

Speaker 7 (16:37):
And do you think the winner of this upcoming week
eleven Broncos Chiefs game will.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Ultimately win the division? Let's answer the second part of
that first. Do I think the upcoming winner of this
game will win the division?

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yes, yes I do.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
I would say that that number is probably mathematically too high,
but I'm sure they have some formula.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
What is FTN again? FTN?

Speaker 7 (17:00):
It used to be football outsiders. Now they have the
DVA football up for twenty years right now with football
that's what I'm used to call it, a football outsider.
So I couldn't think of what their precursor was.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
And I love the guys over there. Aaron Schatzel's guys
do great work.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
But that number feels a little high, especially with the
ease of schedule the Broncos have had through the first
ten games and how difficult it is on the back eight.
So I say that number is too high, but I
will agree with the premise that whoever wins this game
here in what nine ten.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Days will be the winn of the division. Now I'm
going to go back against that.

Speaker 5 (17:31):
The reason I say that is because this back half,
with the schedule for the Broncos, it gets tougher, right,
and the ability to win that is very important. And
we've seen what these Chiefs can actually do. They're getting
healthy at the right time. And look, my mind can
be changed with some particular point, but when someone is

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already on the top of the mountain, in order to
overtake them, you have to do just that.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
And until that happens, Kansas City is still sitting in
the mountain.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
Times.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
In order to be the best, you have to beat
the best roadshome on Now, buddy, you gotta quitch trinking
the beer.

Speaker 7 (18:13):
The Commanders aren't expected to place Jade Daniels on ir
despite his gruesome elbow in an injury, as they plan
on reevaluating his injury after their bye week. How likely
do you think it is that Daniels is ready to
go by the time the Commanders play the Broncos. And
how much do you think this injury will impact his
play upon his potential return.

Speaker 6 (18:35):
You know someone I'm not gonna mention any particular intrepid
young reporters may have mentioned to one Zach Seers recently
that this is what the commanders were.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
Looking to do.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
That Ryan Edwards Man, Yeah, Ryan Edwards, for sure, he's definitely.
I mean, if anybody's connected with the Washington Commanders, it
is Ryan Edwards. No, I think this is kind of
the way to look. I'm not gonna call it a probability.
Yet they have been looking at this possibility from the
outset of having him in some sort of brace or
cast on the left arm in that game. Uh, and
then and try to start him against the Broncos on

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Sunday night. That's the first game to look at him
to come back. They are looking at that. But right
now we're still three weeks whatever it is out from
you know, out from that. We've got the Chiefs in
nine days. We've got a five week after that and
then that, so we're all ways out from it. But
I will say the Commanders are eyeballing it. They're trying
to make it happen.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Well, I don't know if I would put James Dames in.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
That situation, knowing as though we've we watched last night
six acts by the Denver Broncos, who are on this
historic run. I would say just I would give it
another week because even though that's the injuries on his
non thornch arm, you don't want him to fall on
that again or someone else fall on him and then
he's out for longer. They just play impatiently. Let's see

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if there's any soreness tightness in that elbow. If he's
doing fine, and you know, we have the marvels of
modern day medicine, that is a factor as well. But
I would sitting him out and maybe play him at
the Vikings.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
The week after.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Commanders.

Speaker 7 (20:04):
Fans are already anxious about the spooky parallels between Jayde
and Daniels and Robert Griffin. Third, it seems like potentially
rushing him back from an injury could maybe further those parallels.
Though then again, they are seasons kind on life support.
They need him to stay alive.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, and I mean again, this is one of those
things where who knows what the situation will be in
a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Washington wins both those games. Are trying to get Jayden back.
They lose both of them. They're probably not as eager.
Three more injury news here.

Speaker 7 (20:35):
The Indianapolis Colts announced this week that they will be
placing star defensive tackle to Forrest Buckner on ir with
a neck injury. That means they'll be without the start
defender for at least their next four games.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
How big is this loss for the Colts?

Speaker 7 (20:50):
And do you think it could be so big that
it mixes up the race for the AFC South Crown
with the Jacksonville Jaguars right on their heels.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Well, that would require the drag worse to keep winning,
which you know, who knows at this point, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, it's huge for the Colts.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
I mean, DeForest Buckner's arguably their best defensive lineman, certainly
the best interior defensive lineman. Devil Gallimore and Adida wheel
dable Ware I think are the backups there. So that's
next to Grover Stewart. Anytime you have a chance to
mention the name of a man named Grover, you have
to do it.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, it's huge.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
I don't know that it affects I don't know that
it affects them in the sensors just start losing games,
But it definitely affects the way they have to defend yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
It definitely does that because when you look at the
Forest Brugn the stats forty two total tackles. But this
is where you run into kind of missing. His very
large frame is his four sacks, which that leads the team.
So what you have to do if you are the
defense coordinator for the Colts, you just have to figure
other workarounds. And who knows this whole addition of Sauce

(21:54):
Gardner could come into play to kind of somewhat be
a band aid if you will, but you can't really
replaced the production of one Forrest Butler.

Speaker 7 (22:03):
Now, of course it's different positions, but how much do
you think the addition of Sauce can make up for
the loss of DeForest Buckner in the meantime? Obviously, again
different positions, but one star defender for another.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
What it does the makeup for his production?

Speaker 5 (22:19):
It just may help out as far as forcing opposing
quarterbacks to hold the ball a little longer, hoping that
Sauce can be grooveed in and understands the defense.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
The other part of this is Buckner is more beneficial
to the run game. I mean he does. He is
a past disrupted all those kinds of things too.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
But he's also the loss is going to be felt
more in defending the run than anything else because they
just don't have bodies behind him at that caliber.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Then Sauce struggles there too.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Four, Speaking of Sauce, Sauce.

Speaker 7 (22:48):
Gardner, Rashid Shaheed, and Jacobi Myers, three of the biggest
trade deadline additions, are all set to make their debuts
with their new teams this week. Which tradeline addition I'm
just sorry, straight deadline edition? Do you think we'll have
the biggest debut and which edition will have the biggest
impact the rest of the way here for their team.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Those three, Statistically, the person with the.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Most speed's gonna make the most immediate impact, So Orashi
Jihad would be.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
My guest there. He also has experience in that offense.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Obviously, Young Kubiak coordinated New Orleans offense previously before going
up to Seattle this past year, so really the only
thing she'd has to do is get the timing. Now
with Sam Donald, I expect him to take two or
three deep shots with him this year. He's not gonna
have like an overwhelming game, but I would expect, like
you remember when Valdez Scantling.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Got those all out of nowhere, got.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Like there's two huge type I expect that kind of
scenario where they get to two big deep shots.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
With Shihed and that's kind of you know that that'll
be kind of it. The other guys Chakobe Myers, mean,
you don't even know that offense. What are you gonna
what are you gonna do there? And then Sauce Gardner,
you don't know that defense. So you know probably on
a pitch.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
Count, Well, I'm gonna go with Shei Shahi because once
again he's joining Jackson Smith and Jiggri and we know
and Jigba has been the primary weapon for.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Sam Donald's es.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
Actually with DK makhalf being traded or not traded, but
signing with the Pittsburgh still is. And like you said, man,
it's all about speed and attacking people in the vertical
passing game. But here's the other thing about the Seattle Seahawks,
And you got to think about the I guess.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
The tree that Clint Coolby at comes from.

Speaker 5 (24:19):
We're going to run the ball, we're gonna get on
the center and we're gonna go play action. And just
like Jake Plumber to one of my former teammates Ashley League.
You want to take shots down the field. So the
match made in heaven for the Seattle Seahawks, and I
was a team by the way that I selected to
actually win the division.

Speaker 7 (24:41):
To the point you guys were talking about a lot
of today wanting to lean more into the run game,
the Seahawks a good place for the Broncos to maybe
learn that. Lesson the Broncus of a top ten run game,
Seahawks run game ranks in the twenties get they're running
the ball more than anyone in the league.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
With their commitment to it.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, they get a little bit of a diminishing return
on some things, but they get an added most with
people suck up and they get their deep shots.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
In the past game five best deep shot team in
the league so far this season they are.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
That's that is.

Speaker 7 (25:09):
Transitioning into a little mid season award talk. Halfway through
the season, the MVP front runners are Josh Allen at
plus one seventy five, Drake may at plus four hundred,
Patrick Mahomes at plus four twenty five, Matt Stafford at
plus six hundred, and Baker Mayfield at plus sixteen hundred.
Imagine those very based on your service, but that'll be

(25:30):
in the ballpark. Who do you think will be this
year's MVP doesn't have to be on that list, And
of those five, who do you think is the best value?

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Well, I would not Mine would be different. I think certainly,
you know, I don't mind these these names here. Stafford's one.
You kind of eyeball Mahomes and things always in that conversation.
I don't think Drake may even though his second year, like, yeah,
I don't know, and I think that week's schedule will
be used against right Allen's always.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Going to be in there. Mayfield.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
I would say Sam Darnold's I would put Sam Arnold
definitively in that conversation you talk about a team, it's
you know, it's six and two.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
He's up there in terms of yardage, he's up there
in terms of touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
He leads the NFL and QBR leads the NFL just
today yards per attempt, and it's not particularly close.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
So he's got a full yard over the second place guy,
which is Matt Stafford. I I mean, I think it's
one of those two guys.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
I put Darnald and Stafford, and then if you look
at for a non QB, I think Jonathan Taylor has.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Got to be in the conversation. Yeah for me, before
he even goes to any quarterback.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
I would start with Jonathan Taylor, even though he's a
runback running back, and the league founds on running backs
because it's all about elevating the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
But since we are talking to quarterbacks, I'm gonna have to.

Speaker 5 (26:40):
Go with Sam Donald And are you talking about MVP
and comeback Player of the Year based on how he's
been playing and he helps to you know, with the
familiarrity with Clint Kubiak, So that would be my choice.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
I love it.

Speaker 7 (26:52):
I'll combine that answer for another dark course, this Seattle
Seahawk and a guy who doesn't play at the quarterback position.
How about Jackson Smith. And he's on pace right now
to go over nineteen hundred yards. His stats on a
per route run basis, again because the Seahawks are so
run heavy, are by far the best we've ever seen
as long as route stats have been charted. And I

(27:16):
think as good as Sam Darnold's bed and he's been
very good. Jackson Smith in jigbas the straw that starts
the drink.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, he would be if it wasn't such a quarterback
dependent position. I think you would. But I mean, he's
leading the NFL twelve yards per target right now. That's
tough to look away from six now to the one
that really matters. Halfway through the season.

Speaker 7 (27:39):
The Super Bowl front runners are the Buffalo Bills plus
six hundred, the Kansas City Chiefs also at plus six hundred,
the Rams and Eagles at plus eight hundred apiece, and
the Detroit Lions rounding out that top five at plus
nine hundred. It is your Super Bowl pick at the
halfway point, considering it's not the Denver Broncos. And which
of those five is the best value? Man, I would probably.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
The AFC side with case Buffalo seems about right, you know,
based on the experience everything else. The best value is
probably the Ravens right now, whatever they are, because you
know they're gonna be a red hot in the second half,
and you know they got a soft schedule, so that's
probably the best value out of the NFC. I'm just
not sold on those teams. Rams, you know, every time
I look at them, I'm like.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
They shouldn't be doing this, but they are. The Eagles,
I don't know. After watching watching US and watching the
Giants against them, I don't know. Two hit or miss
and that offense, they still haven't figured that out. Defensively,
they're good. The Lions, they've taken a step back this year.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
They're hit or miss too. They have the one game
where they they're on fire, the next game they lay had. Dude,
even my team out of there. The Packers, what are
you doing losing to Carolina at home in Cleveland in
the same year.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, So you know, the NFC is kind of a mess.
The a FC, I would say, you know, it seems
pretty obvious.

Speaker 5 (28:55):
Well for me, I'm just gonna go back with the
team that has proven that they know how to get
there and when they get there, they know what to do,
and that's the Philadelphia Eagles. You know, everyone's gonna stumble
throughout the year, but it's all about showing that you
could put together quality games even after those stumbles. And
you just think about that the trade deadline, they added

(29:16):
you know, Jalen Phillips from the Miami Dolphins, who kick
Fanji is quite familiar with from his days there. So
they're trying to get better defensively and we already know
that because we live here in Denver. Defense still wins
championship and being able to stop people and turn the
ball over.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
And guess what, Ben, I know, I agree with you.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
They've had stumbles offensively all season long, and you have
to think that, well, maybe they'll get it together. Yeah,
so I'm gonna go with the Eagles.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
For right now.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Okay, all right, yeah, I mean the NFC is such
a mess. You got the West which is so loaded
top to bottom, the divisions just loaded, even Arizona, which
you know, I think we all saw what happened on
Monday night as they start to I'll tell you this,
Arizona's playing Seattle this weekend, and I'm gonna be honest
with the people in Arizona. Theyre think if they can
win that game, they can make the playoffs. After having
starting two and five, if they can win that Seattle game,
they think they can get out to tennel and wins.

(30:03):
And so that's going to be fascinating to watch as
Arizona's second half schedule.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
But then you've got Seattle's playing lights out.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
You got the Niners who are making d despite being
the walking dead, and of course the Rams who are
on front runner here.

Speaker 7 (30:15):
So yeah, speaking of the Rams, I think they might
be my favorite pick out of that bunch. I think
that offense, as long as Stafford stays healthy, is an
absolute glow torch.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
That's the question that got the corp of established.

Speaker 7 (30:26):
Now kyn Williams, the dynamic due of Nikua and Adams
seems virtually unstoppable. They're getting some nice depth contributions.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
From their weapons too.

Speaker 7 (30:35):
And you know, we talked about the Texans defense and
the Seahawks defense and the Broncos defense.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Rams leave the NFL and EPA per play teams exposed them.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
Is why the Eagles are trying to stabilize after the
Trade dayline the ad Michael Carter Junior from the Jets
and Alexander from the Ravens.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
The questions whether about Stafford stays healthy turns thirty eight
out there in February.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
That is the question. It is it goes country Tonights
culls on after this