11-11-25 Hour 1 of Broncos Country Tonight with Steve Atwater

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh you.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
Oh yeah, scrants miss Ohio Bobcasts prepared to take on
the Western Michigan.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
I cannot or a horse mascot.

Speaker 4 (00:06):
Don't they similar to the one in Denver?

Speaker 3 (00:08):
Is it the Broncos? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Okay, yeah, I was like, I knew it's a force,
but I couldn't remember which one it was tonight.

Speaker 4 (00:15):
You can just call him a loser.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
That's fair for picking them.

Speaker 5 (00:20):
Whoa Listen, you threw out the picks for so many money.
Don't you mad at me? Because that's why I chose.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
I'm just saying you picked around.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Grant of course picked his own modern Ohio.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
You know what Grant? They happensands to win, right both teams?

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Right, yeah, I guess before kickoff?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, exactly, And then it started five six six times
sext line. Steve that one.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I just saw him a minute ago. He'll be in
here in just a moment, gotta be joining us. We'll
get his thoughts on rivalry game. Obviously it's Chiefs. We
were coming off the Raiders and going directly to the
Kansas City chief So it's kind of rivalry week in
a lot of ways.

Speaker 5 (00:56):
And uh, last week, last Thursday wasn't much of a
rivalry game, Well, there.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Was a rivalry between both teams and scoring the ball, yes, yeah,
and America lost.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
In the end.

Speaker 5 (01:09):
I guess that's one way to look at But I
think I think more importantly what everyone wants to figure
out is what's happening with the running back situation with JK. Dobbins,
because we know he has that foot injury and obviously
you tell me, I'm hearing ideas that he could.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Land on ir So the injury that he.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Has, it's in between the Grade one and the Grade two, right,
and so it's not typically with that injury, it's like
a four to six week healing time, right, but some
guys heal faster.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
If it's not a full grade too, it could only
be two weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
And most guys what they do with that injury if
they want to keep playing, they put this carbon fiber
insert into their into their shoes to kind of protect
the top of the foot there, you know, with that,
So kind of what they're doing is is kind of
seeing where he's at for a week and and kind
of and then kind of going from there.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
A carbon insert. Yeah, it's a carbon fiber you know
insert you put?

Speaker 5 (02:05):
Yeah, I had to use one of those during my
playing days because I had turf toe.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
It was kind of a metal plate. It helped during
the game, but after the game.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Keeps you from getting like, you know, stepped on or
whatever and making it worse. But I mentioned turf toe though,
that's got to be against especially for a guy that's
playing DV. You're backpedaling and plant and drive transition. I mean,
that's just kind of like irritating that big toe joint.
So we know Jak Dobbins has had a history of injury,

(02:40):
and to this point of the season, he's been pretty healthy.
The question is, if this is what you.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Say could be typically a four two to four week injury,
is it worth throwing him in a game right now
against Kansas City?

Speaker 3 (02:55):
I mean, you already eight and two. Does it make
you any sense this weekend? I think I think this
is all gamesmanship. I think this is all show. You know, Oh,
this is this is Bill Belichick type. Yeah. I don't.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
I don't believe he's going to play this weekend. I
can't see a way that he does. I mean, if
he does, it'll be with some special some kind of
special something on his foot.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (03:14):
If I personally, I wouldn't risk it. The reason is
because when you look at the broncos ability to run
the ball, JK. Dobbins is a huge part of it.
And being a running back that's like being a cheetah, right,
the cheetah doesn't eat it if you can't run because
that you need your speed. So are you subjecting JK.
Dobbins to more pain and agony by putting him out

(03:37):
there and he can't use his speed?

Speaker 1 (03:39):
As an ally I would. I would think it's more
on JK. Dobbins than anyone else, depending on how he's feeling.
And if he's feeling like, hey, he can go and
guess what you know how this works, Steve, I mean
if he can go. But see that's an open end
the question because no, no, no, I'm talking about him talking

(04:01):
about and be effective. I'm not talking about out there
living the run.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
But I see, I think every single time a player
players no.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Saying yes, he's not gonna bail, he wants to player no, no, no.
If he knows that he can help the team, yes,
but if he if he's practicing or practices or notices
that he can't run effectively, he want to do it.
I'm saying, if he feels like he can be ninety five,
ninety six, ninety I don't know, you know, I'm just

(04:30):
saying I would, I would, you know.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Hurt, you know, the injury itself.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
If if and.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
The case, then ain coach, I want to Okay, well,
let me set the scene for you.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
Steve is absolutely right and also wrong at the same time,
because players want to go.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Players want to go. And I've been in this situation when.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
I've been asked, well, not not that I an asked,
I was told what percentage I actually was you about
eighty percent?

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Right? You about eighty seven percent?

Speaker 5 (05:07):
And I'm like, wait a minute, are you asking me
or you're you're telling me? So that was them telling
me that that was the percentage that was needed for
me to play, And that was them.

Speaker 6 (05:16):
Encouraging me, say you'll say to them, the only thing
is is like, you can't fake that when when they
see him warm up, they're gonna they're gonna, bro he
can't go, or bro he's ready.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
You can't take an anguine. No, no, you can't. You
can't think it.

Speaker 5 (05:35):
And the one thing I think about, like we think
about cars, right, you think about breaking, you think about
having balance and counter balance, and you think about what JK.
Dobbins has done this far as far as his stopping start.
So to me, once again, that's stopping start.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
You fake it and you got a bad will as
a defensive guy. I'm hunting you up.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
I mean you can. You can technically drive your car.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
You can technically drive your car on a flat tire.
It's still a car with a flat tire.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Right exactly.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
So like that's the thing. I do not expectatory Dobbs
to play this weekend. In fact, I expect him to
be out for about three weeks.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yes, Steve, But Steve, why would I say, I'm a
honey mounk?

Speaker 3 (06:11):
I know, I know, I know, because what a minute.
Let's be totally honest, can lie. We get the.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
Injury report, we know or whether you're questionable, down for
and out, and we also know the area of which
your injury is looking oh your real hair? Oh okay, well,
let's go ahead and salitating brothers up. Barbecue's missing barbecue ribs,
saltat ribs.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
No no, no reason to the potato salad though, no.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
Wait, no, no, no, no, no, no African American people. No
raisins and potato salad. No almonds, no, no slivering armors. No, No,
that's not potato salad. That's something else.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, I'm just saying, you know, you know who brought
that potato Rachel.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
No, I'm just saying, no know, we we need. I
was asked Broctice, if Karen raises her.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Ham Bro, so you put mustard in your potatoes Silad.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
No.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
I mean, but like, look if j if Chick is
out and again I did.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Not expect him to play for two or three weeks minimum,
then what because we got three hundred sized backs here, fellows,
we don't.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
We don't have somebody. We don't have a short yardist guy.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
We don't have a pass.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Pro guys down on the side.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
Harvey's two hundred and five pounds, that's not on the side.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Well wake home five. That's height standpoint, not under side.
And does that dude take it out? Well, he's like
Ray Rice type. I don't have to take out a
defensive end. I'm just saying he's not. He's not what
you're how many.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Times we look at Jay bro he took out that
defensive end several Come on.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
Man, don't watch his past price.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
You know.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
The thing is, though, we want to see how good
he can run.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
I mean I get that, and he's going to get
rushing attests. But you need that guy. That guy, we
don't have him. He's the third down guy. Okay, Harvey's
been the pass catcher and he's gonna get more run.
Now do you call up la Tavious Murray being like, bro,
you got six games in you you may you may
do that, and they probably have done that.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Stand this offense.

Speaker 5 (08:14):
Yes, played for Sean, but now what this means to me.
The third down back who was Tyler Burday is now
going to get more carries.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
He's gonna be more involved. And this was a back
and played all season long. He's also a buck seventy
six trip.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
You know he hold his brick and you weigh one
hundred and seventy six pounds.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, and we know she's gonna bring that pressure.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
But that's not coming up the middle right and you
bring it a back end, it ain't gonna be.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Let's just try to stop that thing.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
But that's not to say that Jalilo can't play because remember,
now let's go back in the way back machine. Tom
Brady had a lot of small backs in New England. Yeah,
but they found ways they had the big bulls too. Yeah,
but they had a lot of those. Like go back
to Atlanta when when the score was twenty eight three,
they had a lot of small backs. We're not talking

(09:10):
about Feeling and Kevin Faull No, no, no, We're talking
about like small small backs.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, they had them guys, But then they also had
the T. J. Ducketts.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
They also had the Tyler al Jeears. You know, you
can go back to the Patriots, they had the be
Jarvis green Ellis, they had the you know, they got
that two twenty five guys.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, but I'm talking they even have you know, Blunt too,
because Blunt.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
But I'm talking about Feeling.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
In those years when they did not have those guys,
and that Super Bowl against Atlanta Falcons when they had
to have it, they used a lot of those smaller
type backs because here's what they decided to do.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
They decided to.

Speaker 5 (09:44):
Say, listen, we can't run through people with these smaller backs,
So what can we do with these smaller backs to
accentuate their skill set screen swing?

Speaker 3 (09:52):
They got them out on the edge.

Speaker 5 (09:54):
They created one on one matchups they spread those guys out,
They forced the linebackers to get outside of the box,
and they ran those kind of choice routes like wide receivers. Now,
if the Broncos can do something similar to that, they
stand a chance. Because when you look at Kansas City
defense and Nick Bolton, Bolton is a thumper. Now he's

(10:14):
got a lot of speed, but you can attack him
in coverage.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
And that's why I would attack him in coverage.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
Yeah, because I mean, you don't last thing.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
You want to see him squaring up and allowing him
to get downhill. I tell him Miley Cyrus because he
comes in like a record day.

Speaker 5 (10:26):
Man. You don't want that. You don't want that dude
coming downhill. You play to your advantage. And Marvin Mammes
is supposed to be back for this.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Game, is you're not, And if he is now.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
I guess the team will now use Marvin Mammes as
though they've used him before. Like last year when they
played Kansas City, they used Marvin Mems in the backfield
a lot.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
People trying to tell me that JK. Dobbinson and RJ.
Harvey are like the same weight or whatever they're They're
not JK. Dobbins came in the league at like two
twelve to fifteen. He's like two twenty five now. His
original playing weight was like two twelve two. He's like
to twenty five though now he's not JK is not
the same.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
And you can look at those guys.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
I mean he's already practice, but I am they are
not the same.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
I mean, Harvey stick Harvey, he's not. He's not for
East Wales.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
He's stick for a little fellow a little because he's short.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Well, okay, he's five. Tend that somebody else. Don I'm told,
what's that? What you trying to tackle him?

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Well, no, there's a bowling ball with knives or stick
it out of him exactly.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
That is the point.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
He may be challenged vertically, That's what I'm saying. But
when you look from five for his weight, for his
heightest thick but still five with my scales, what what
the what the bro?

Speaker 3 (11:40):
That dude is ripped up. I mean he he got
the guns, he got the thighs, he got the calves.
He is put together. Bro.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
I think they listened like five eight.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
He's like five six five seven, but he's like he's that.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Two o five.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
But he's like two old, but he's I mean, he's
Barnie Rubble. Oh boy, he's building.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Barnie Rubbles player for the sake of argument, and you're
a Barney Rubble example.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
That is a that's a massive guy right with it
with that is short just that short and compact, and
that makes it really difficult to hit because especially when
he lowers his shoulder pads the contact surface.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
We're not disagreeing on that. I'm not talking about running
the ball. I'm talking about who's good. Because bo Nix
is the second most passive attempt in the NFL. Who's
gonna be the guy back there that's gonna be protecting
in pass pro, It's not gonna be j.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
That means Taliba Day is going to see a lot
of carries, receptions, and targets in this game against Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Why would Why wouldn't know? God r J.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
I think you get some of to him, but you're
not gonna give him.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
All of it.

Speaker 5 (12:47):
But also you have to have a complimentary back. If JK,
and it's all is based on if JK obviously doesn't
play that, you're still gonna need two backs and you're
gonna have to bring Jett McLoughlin up just in case you're.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Gonna need another back.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
Unless you're gonna tell me what the Broncos are gonna do.
They're gonna lean on maybe one of their U the
full back.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
Or we had pray have to make duce Vaughn. That's
au vom. You should have seen it like his face.
So now are we talking about like a smurf? Ye? See?
Come on, I sto.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Wouldn't it either mighty mouse to beat the hell out
of me?

Speaker 3 (13:31):
You wouldn't get in front of him. Said, but but
now you're.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
Talking about the Broncos resulting to full back hands, full
back dies.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Come on, you know, you know.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
If you let bid tell the story, these these other
backs are too small, bro.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
I don't think they're too small, Harvey Tyler. A day
you let mcgolf and the NFA bring up use Vaughan's.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
One hundred and seventy three pounds.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
I'm not talking about past protection girl running the rock.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
I am because we should run the rock, but I
know better we're not going to. We got our quarterback
who's struggling.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
As the second most passing attempts in the NFL, you
would have the most if he had nine more passing
attempts on the season, and we're going you know what
it's gonna be. You know what Seawan's gonna do. Hey, JK.
Dobbins is out, so we're gonna have to throw more. No,
we don't want any excuse to throw.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
I'm with you. I'm just saying we all know what
this is.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
Oh by the way, another guy who played for Sean
back in the day where I play against and he
was a monster to tackle with five six, one hundred
and ninety pounds.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
That was Darren Sprok. Hey, I'm with you on all
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
But what I'm saying is, at the end of the day,
we we know he likes to have a back back
there that can they could take somebody out.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
So why but Day gets in on third downs instead
of instead of R. J.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Harvey. Well you have to. You can't have your offense
not that much bigger. He's like he's two five, But
you can't help.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
Your offense stiful because of measurement issues.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
This is where you be.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
This is what I stick your head, where you earn
your bones. As a coordinator, how do you make things
your offense continue to flow in a certain way? Especially
in one aspect of the game where you haven't really
leaned on that aspect in a while, and the guy
that you would normally lean on may not even play.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
In the game. Being knows what it's like man being
used to run that old old school office and he
just had to block.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
I don't I know what it's like to be a
tiny dude trying to block.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Aside like stepping up the star you got to seek
the chest in it, yes, but it didn't matter what
I stuck in it.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
They barely knew I was there. Say, if you don't
get your work like you get they can't see me
on the radio. Think it's listener right here.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
Like.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Like stalk. Here's an idea when its out, here's an idea.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
I want to toss out as far as the Broncos
because they're gonna need more than one contingency plan to
go to, especially playing against the Chiefs. So one of
those contingency plans is that for me, at some point
you line up in I say this in the Raiders
game twelve to thirteen personnel, right, but youse Evan Ingram

(16:14):
is one of those receivers and you flex.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Him out here. It's about it's about numbers.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
Football is the numbers game, and the idea is to
open up the formation, get those linebackers out of the box,
trick the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
It's not about it's not about three. It's not about
tricking them. It's about creating spacing. Because here's what we
know about the game of football. It's about angles, is
it not?

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Well, yeah, but let me ask you a question real quick,
because you pointed out early about the Patriot them running backs.
What was the team that shut that shut that down
for the Super Bowl? What was the team that shut
that that that small running back angle out stuff down
in the Super Bowl?

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Oh, the Falcons did no no in the Super Bowl?
What team want said?

Speaker 2 (16:50):
It was the New York Giants, right, And who is
who is their defensive coorded Steve Spagnolo.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
But you don't have the Dave make it so you
because I know you.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
Like Dave Megan was part of the Giants, right and
the ability to kind of move around. But Dave Megan
was a I remember watching it and loving Dave Megan
when I was a kid because he was a monster
on third down.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yeah, I'm saying, like when the when the when the
Pats were running that stuff.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
It was it was the Giants to shut them that
the same defensive coordinator way up against this week. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (17:24):
But but the backs at the time with the Patriots,
they had a very unique skill set. Even though they
were smaller backs. It was their ability to run routes
that created issues.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
They were basically received.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
I mean Kevin falk was basically receiver playing lina those
whatever backs like the well they more types that he
wasn't there, but well they Moore was the same thing
in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yes, and receiver playing backs again.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
Now what you do you steal the page out of
Andy Reid's book, I mean, pre imposting that motion. You
want to move guys where you want them to be
moved to make it easier for your guys to block.
So now now that means that you're tight ends who
haven't really been great blocking have to be better.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Your receivers who haven't been all stars blocking all.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
Season, they have to play big in the run game
because they have to move guys off their spots.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
What do we think about the post, I mean, obviously
they're gonna you know, we're gonna see more of that
Gadgety Mims stuff too.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
But like, what do you think about Adam Prenis back
there doing what as a half back? I mean he
played both in college.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
Well, you're gonna you're gonna have to to give some
strength and power back there. That's why I mentioned about
like a full back dive.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
I mean, he's two hundred and fifty one pounds.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
You're gonna have to use him, implement him in some way. Okay,
we gonna need run.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
Hey, four forty guys at a half back position, so he.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Though it looks like it looked like Alf Morris. Now
now I'm.

Speaker 5 (18:46):
Talking about like true throwback football. Lead ISOs line up
in the eye. Well I've talked about I'm called dotting
the eye, Apprentis. I'm talking about putting press back at
the half back. Yeah, man, you must be talking about
thirty shorter or fourth and one.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
These first down runs a Dobbins rippings off and it
puts this offense in a good spot.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Somebody doing them?

Speaker 1 (19:05):
What?

Speaker 3 (19:06):
No, what I mean?

Speaker 5 (19:08):
What r J.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Harvey? We'll see, we'll see if he's the guy. They
hadn't used it for that so far.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Well, k Well, I mean if you're smaller than me,
what we even doing here. I'm a pretty small guy
just saying rockers, country dad back over this, I'm sure
mix a lot. I like big backs, and I cannot lie.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
I don't know if I would have phrased it in
that particular way.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
That is me.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
That is me.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
I'm just saying it like big I'm just saying I
like big running backs.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
It's is the physics.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
I mean at force equals mass times acceleration. Mass is
a key.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
Component in there, but it's how one chooses to utilize
the mass that they have.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, I'm just saying, we'll see what RJ gets out
of this, and we'll see what he what he does.
My my faith in Sean Payton giving him fifteen carries
a game is basically zero.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
So is getting that ruck all right? I mean he's
getting through the air. No, get on the ground. I
don't get that rock this week.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
How many of them stupid little bump passes are we
going to see this week?

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Bump pass the receiver company, don't talk about you see
her coming across. I know what's his face.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
You'll see that where Keenan Allen became the leading receiver
leading a receptions person in Charger history. Yeah, they were
trying to throw the ball deep and he went back
to Jim harball on the sideline there.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
He's like, bro, give me a bump pass, and they're like,
can we do?

Speaker 4 (20:27):
They're dialing it up there like you guys.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Didn't know you could just give me a bump pass
and that counts.

Speaker 5 (20:31):
But this is once again that in lies the simplicity
of any given offense, because all you need to do
is keep the ball in second and manageable. I mean,
how many times have we've seen Travis Kelsey who cannot
probably outrun any of us in this room right now,
just run the yards and just turn around and just

(20:52):
flash his numbers right now.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
I was tecond and five. He can get me though too. Yeah, yeah, Ruth,
he cannot run me right, how much I'll trip? My
knee is jacked up. You'll run. You will run. I'm
not right Edwards, you will run? No, none right can
give me right now. Somewhere Ryants just pulled over. He
did a little fist pump on the way home. Hee

(21:15):
did he did?

Speaker 1 (21:15):
He left?

Speaker 4 (21:15):
He did a little fist pumpy say I got him?

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Fight?

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, I'm not gonna race him right jet sure, I
don't think I'm not gonna raise.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Them, He's gonna try tricky into them, just saying I mean,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
We're going into a tough game against a tough Kansas
City team is suddenly surging. They finally got their act together.
And I guess, you know, I don't want to be
dooming gloom.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
I don't want to be.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
But I'm looking at this thing with Ak probably out,
you know, based on what I've been told, it's going
to be a couple of weeks and and you know,
you're looking at your your best offensive weapon is is out.
We're already struggling on off.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
But you know what, though you.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Almost it's like the perfect It's like the perfect setup, right.
I mean, everybody thinks we're we're well, everybody knows that
there are a lot of injuries.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
On the team. You know, we're eight and two. What's
the Chiefs record? What five? And I'm.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
So, hey, we can we can we can lose one.
But guess what, you know what Sean Payon's thinking we
could will one. I'm going to show now, I'm going
to show everybody, and I'm a big dog.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
Andy Reid coming off of bye like twenty one and
four for his career.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Okay, he knows. Sean knows that, all right, Sean knows that.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
I actually, I actually don't know what their head to
head record is. That's something I've meant to look up.
But I have no clue what their head ahead record is. Hmmm,
I should know that.

Speaker 5 (22:30):
He's what I'll say, Steve, if you're right, this is
a litmus tass for Sean Payton. How many other teams
and offensive coordinators around the league have dealt with or
are dealing with injuries and trying to find ways to
get the most out of their roster. And for me,

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the idea is like, look, kylein Shanahan is gone through
a boatload of it and he's still a just found ways.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
So don't tell me it's not possible. No, it's possible.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
I just the one guy that we had that was
working isn't going to you know, isn't going to be available.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
And that's I guess that's where my frustration.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
What a minute, I mean, even with that being said,
JK wasn't being utilized like maybe he should have.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Gibbs was used in Detroit.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
JK should have should have had about five more touchdown
targets a game, yes, should have, but not so.

Speaker 5 (23:21):
Once again, all it takes is looking and evaluating your roster. So, okay, well,
what can we do with the guys that we have?
I mean, Bill Belichick has made this famous. Don't tell
me what a guy can't do, tell me what he
can do. And then now you try to utilize that.
And that's why I brought up the whole thing with
the Patriots and using smaller backs.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
You just can't sit on your hands and say, well,
this is it. Well JK.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Dobbins is not playing, that's it. And I'm not trying
to go there, but I'm with you. Okay, but I've
been with you the whole year. Where have the choice
route's been? Where they've been all year?

Speaker 5 (23:55):
Well, maybe by necessity the office changes because now you
have to change in adapt based on your opponent. You know,
there's gonna be new wrinkles to Andy Reeve's offense, So
now you have to throw some wrinkles out yourself.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah, there's definitely gonna be wrinkles to Spagnolo's defense. He's
not gonna you know, he's not gonna let your rest
all your laurels. I just I don't know, man, I
it's just a frustration where I'm like, we're eight and two,
but and I gotta shake that suff.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
But there's a way, Ben, there's a way for this
offense to move the ball.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
They've shown in the fourth quarter that when they play
with tempo and pace that changes everything.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
So why aren't we adopting some of that in other
parts of the game.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
I can't tell you that, but I'll say this.

Speaker 5 (24:39):
If the Broncos worse to start the game and end
the game running up tempo or running a version where
you speed it up, slow down NASCAR or whatever, they
now give themselves a chance because by making sure that
you convert first downs, that's the biggest part of you
because don't try to go fast and there's the three

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to nine.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
You put the defense back on the field. You have
to convert first downs. And we saw in that.

Speaker 5 (25:04):
Raiders game that defense that Lebey Patrick gamm that's not
as good as Spaganola's defense in Kansas City coming in
on Sunday and the Broncos cann't get first downs. You
can't do that against his team, right, you get you
It's it's a must that the Broncos offense convert on
third downs, and there's nothing wrong with getting first downs
after like a second down converting that into another first down.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Well yeah, and it's I mean yeah, you can't give
Pat Mahomes the same things they were giving Geno Smith.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Can't do it.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
You're gonna get your breakspeed off you do that. But
I just I don't know.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Thankfully, this is a home game.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
You coming off ten days rest, even if the chief
the Chiefs are off the bye, but you've got ten.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Days rest coming off that Thursday game. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
My face just isn't there yet. Maybe maybe I just
need you guys pump me up a little more.

Speaker 5 (25:50):
Well, you know what, here's where the team's gonna get
a little bump because based on the situation that we
learned about yesterday with Alex Singleton, his teammates are going
to be pumped to go out there and try to
win the game for him and known as though what
he underwent with the knowledge going into that Thursday night
game was still was able to push through.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
That's the motivation that you need.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
And a game like this against an opponent that historically
you have not played well against. He beat him earlier
this year to start off the new year, but their
starters didn't play. This is an opportunity. I mean, you
have Talano Whufonger, who's here. You have Drake Greenlaw who's here.
None of those two guys were here last season, right,

(26:34):
So they're walking into this rivalry this series for the
first time. And that's where the Broncos have an opportunity
to get an emotional bump defensively to a defense that's
already playing lights out already.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Well, the thing is the defense they've been they I
don't think anybody's really questioning what the defense is going
to do. People are questioning if our offense is gonna
put points on the board, be able to move the
bu with JK.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Dobb.

Speaker 7 (27:02):
But this is why I say this. The defense is
gonna give more of an even more emotional bump. Feels
like this is a game we're gonna need a couple
of turnovers. Like the defense is like they've been getting
the sacks and the turnovers just haven't been there. This
feels like the game where you're gonna need a turnover
to you know that that kind of thing to really
spark this thing.

Speaker 5 (27:16):
And this is where the emotional bump actually takes place
because as players, man, what.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Was an emotional bump singleton with cancer? No, no, no,
right soon. I'm just saying, yes, playing more inspired than
they've been.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yes, yes, based on I mean that's right.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
And then that's where you take your your defense to. Like,
looks like they got a hidden level. It's not even
in the game you don't know about. It's a hidden
track on the back.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
End of the Yes, like like you have to hit
a code or something. Yeah, too much? Too much?

Speaker 5 (27:54):
No what not?

Speaker 3 (27:57):
So so think about it like this, think about like
a dialogue.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Want to play better than Yeah, I have been a
new word for this, like splinteriferous or something.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yes, I know right. You know how they say pre
open at three seventy five. No, no, no, that's for him.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
No, I'm talking about pre heat the oven to start
off the game at four hundred and the guy, if
I could talk to him right now, would be Drake
green Law.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
Uh, you know, we gotta talk to Dave O'Brien check
in with traffic.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Three and five. Can't wait for the Chiefs to leave
the field with her head down. Somebody's got faith we
need too. I can't wait for it either. That's the
top of faith that you need to have. You can't.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
You can't walk into any game or any fight thinking
that you're gonna lose, because if that's the case, why
even sure exactly, yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
You already if you thinking you lost, you already lost
before you You know, if you keep think you can't win,
then you've already defeated yourself before he played the game. Yes,
which you know I should take my own advice on that,
but whatever. Oh see, here we get Stacey from Utah
who says, I'm looking forward to a rubble in the
wild wild West, Broncos versus Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Let's get it, bast for life.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
You gotta go punch people in the face because you
know everybody is saying, man on offense, man, you know
they're not good enough.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
They're not putting up points. Guess what, we put up
enough points to win.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
You don't have to be the highest scoring offense in
the NFL, just the highest scoring offense in the stadium
that day.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
That's all you gotta be.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
And if you offensive playing for the Denver Broncos, well
you gotta be frustrated because I mean, you've heard all
season long, but especially this week, about how inefficient your
offense is and I always wonder if any of the
guys on the Broncos offense would they ever have enough

(29:52):
confidence to make a suggestion to their head coach. And
the reason why I said that because the team that
they're playing on Sunday. I mean, obviously their their quarterback
has a lot of experience, MVPs, all of that stuff.
But I wonder if the Broncos offensive players ever went
up to coach and say, coach, hey, listen, we had
this in the game planned last week. We didn't get

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a chance to run it. You think we can call
this in the game, right, Because you gotta think players
play coaches, coach cheerlead the year. So you go out there,
you see something they're not covering. You go back to
the sideline and say, coach, hey man, last time we
ran this play, they ain't even cover me.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
We should run it again in the second half. Yeah,
you don't think they do that, come back to it.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
I don't know that's your half to adjustment player going
up to coach, hey man, we we have this all
wide open all game.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Let's you know, we hit them with the fake and
then well then you know, and then we'll come back
to it.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah, most of the great teams they have that, you know,
and coaches are open to it, you know, they especially
if the players know what they're talking about.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yeah, guys just want the ball then a whole different story.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
But if you know, if you have some credibility the
coaches there, definitely would anyone on this team from a
receiver tight end standpoint ever, go full Keyshawn Johnson, I.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Don't think so. Most of them, most of them too young.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
And I'm yeah, most of them too young, And.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
I don't think that. I don't think that's not Court's personality. Yeah,
we remain good enough to do that.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
So, but the thing is, I don't think.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
I don't think those kind of players on this team,
you know, right, No, no disrespect the key that was
that was him John Key.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Shane was the man too. I mean he was nice.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
But I don't think the personalities are we don't have
those personalities.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
That you know, but do we now bring a very
interesting question. We don't have those personalities. Do the Broncos
need guys with that personality? It sounds selfish right in nature,
but it's not for me.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
I see it.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
There's a guy who wants to win football games, and
they know they possess a certain skill set and they
want to be involved more.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
What's the Jimmy mcguintze quote. When the game's on the line,
winners want the ball. Yes, exactly.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
So I don't think there's anything wrong for a guy,
you know, saying hey, coach man, look, I can beat
this guy in front of me.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
But I think deep down his side, all receivers won
the ball. You know what I'm saying, All of them wanted,
but not everyone screams for yeah. But also I mean
at some point that that doesn't that doesn't, that doesn't
hit well, you know what I'm saying, Why not?

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Well, because I don't think.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
You could bet Troy Franklin and doing what Jordan Jefferson
can you know, or just Deffinely could do sitting there
like you know, George Jamar Chase can be like, hey,
give me the damn ball.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Troy Franklin can't Catlyn, Troy Franklin can't do it. But
Courtland sudden Isa can't sit there, give me a rock.
Courty can do it though that's not his personality. Yeah,
it's not. Nick. I know what Dick saying.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
He wants Alpha, he wants he wants Alpha out there.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
He wou come over the sideline, over the DA Yeah,
come on, Mack. He used to do back in the day.
I threw up a gatory table. Okay, not that explains everything,
like prog this cous you're not getting a break. We'll
be back after this