11-12-25 Hour 1 of Broncos Country Tonight with Paul Charchian

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Little Jordan Humphrey day.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
That is.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Zach Seeks is so excited back there. I'm just glad
that's the angle you went with it. I had my
finger hovering over the dump.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
You know, Ben very well.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
It's a little Jordan hump Day.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Jordan hump Day.

Speaker 4 (00:19):
I'm just saying so for those of you who are
a fan of the screen pass, prepared to see a
lot more of those on Sunday. As uh, you brought
back a guy to block for screens.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Okay, since you brought it up, I thought we were
going to get to it later in the show, but.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Let's get into it.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
We just dive right into it.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
So bringing back to the Jordan Humphrey just kind of
makes me think, well, the reason that you're bringing him
back because you're familiar with him, right, And I looked
at it two ways that said, well, I remember you
and I having a conversation that was kind of a
conversation here in Denver what the Broncos gonna do with
the trade deadline. I remember Jaylen Wadho's name was coming up,

(01:03):
but that didn't happen. So bring on the Jordan Humphrey back.
He is quite familiar with Sean Payton's offense. He spent
two seasons here before he joined the New York Jets,
and yes, the aforementioned screenplays, it takes me back to
twenty twenty three.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
I believe it was.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
I think Jaredsdenham was in as a quarterback and the
Jordan Humphrey caught a couple of passes, one of them
planning against the Chargers, he bounced off of like two, three,
four of their defenders.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, he was.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
It was a pain in that, you know, Yes, in.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
That particular area of which Sean Payton has I guess
been known to be successful in the screen game, but
it hasn't manifested itself thus far the season, so that
would be one of the reasons. But also, Ben, what
does that say about the receivers who are already.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
On the roster.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
I mean, if you don't think you can get it
done with them, that you got to bring little Jordan back, who,
by the way, was crushing it up there in New York.
On ten targets. He caught four balls for fifty five
yards on the season for two first downs, absolutely crushing
it in that receiving corps. You know, that's desperate for
bodies with all the injuries that they've had. You know,

(02:15):
he couldn't they couldn't find the field.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Well, once again, when you think about Mike Kafricker, did
I get his name? Might this time Kaka Kafka? Yeah, okay,
thank you and started Busher's name. But anyway, with him
now taking over as the interim hey coach, he's now
trying to put things in place for himself.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Well yeah, I mean for the rest of the season.
He's not gonna be there.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Well, I mean not after the season, but he's trying
to do things that probably he wanted to do. And
one of those things is okay, well, mayde it easy
for him to part ways with the Jordan Humphrey. And oh,
by the way, he is starting James Winston got to
eat some doves on Sunday. But this was an interesting
move by the Denver Broncos to bring back the Joe
and Humphrey. And I'll say this, I wish the Jordan

(02:57):
Humphrey all the success in the world too joined in
the Denver Broncos. But I hope that he's improved this
one particular area which is very vital, and that's blocking
at the point of attack.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
That was one of the that's why he's.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Well. I guess the other guys do it as well
as he does well. I guess it all depends on
who you who you talk to, Ben, because watching film
of the Joan Humphrey when he was with the Broncos,
and I can't really say I know exactly what the
issue was, but I know they used to use him

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to block because he's a big body type wide receiver
la of Courtland Sudden.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
They used him to insert to dig out linebackers.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
And this is just me.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Everyone has their own opinion, but I didn't think that
he played up to his size as much as he needed.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
To as a premier blocker at the point of attack.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
But I tend to be with you on that.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
I mean, you know, the reality is he's basically he's
just slightly smaller than Evan Ingram. You know, Evan Ingram's
like six three two forty and little Jordan humph he's
six four two thirty. I mean, yeah, we got another
heavy slot. You know, he's also just a heavy So
he didn't claim to be a tight end. Although remember
they were gonna put the weight on him and make
him a tight end, and he sort.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Of did that and then he got cut anyway.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Yeah, I I I don't know, by the way, the
text line that was the text of the year from
the seven to two. Oh he said, little Jordan hump
day is every day for? Belichick?

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Was that you.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Own text line?

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Doing as if she?

Speaker 5 (04:36):
Ye Piece said well, I don't need I don't need
to make you guys break I I just you know,
I I'm I'm Kyle Korver.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
You know.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
I just sit in the corner. The ball comes my
way every now and then I drain a three. So
that's my chop.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Okay, Well that was the text of the year. Thatch
ahead and rack himself. Oh my god, he said, little
Jordan hump day is every day for And I was like,
oh my god, how did I not get there on that?

Speaker 2 (04:58):
So we got ghost text from Zachon Now I know
who it is when that text when that text number
comes in.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Now, oh man, you could have just let that fly
over the airwaves.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Hey I I I take my shots apparently point the
center field on that one.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
That was extremely well done. You know, it's been an
interesting day today.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Uh is Dan Graciano put out there in the Fanciosa
expect to be one of the hottest coaching candidates for
the head coaching cycle this year.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
How hot this this doing?

Speaker 1 (05:32):
And I know if two teams had already the background
on him?

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Are we talking ghost Pepper is a hallopeeno hote and
chili Pepper.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
I don't even know where the hell that is, but
dred thousand.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
School units wow on your chest like instantly, instantly pumping
up like porcupine quill.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
Yeah, I see red hot, and I like, I'm gonna
I'm gonna just go out and live here and say
I don't believe that there is any scenario in which
fans Joseph will be back here next year.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Okay, well, since you are tossing that out, Ben, well,
what's possibly the hottest lending spot for him?

Speaker 3 (06:14):
You talked about the tilling.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
There are multiple teams.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
I know, I got to mention the second team because
they haven't fired their coach yet, But there are multiple
teams out there, two or three teams out there that.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Are and two of them are not fired their coaches. Yeah,
that are doing background on vance Joseph.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
But I will tell you the Giants are doing background
on him already, and they are doing background on him with.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
The idea that Davis Webb would be the OC Web of.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Course, played quarterback under Brian Dable in multiple spots, knows
that offense and the terminology will be an easy transition
for him with Jackson Dart and.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Being able to do that.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
So the Giants, who have no African American head coaches
in their entire coaching history, are kind of looking a
little bit of history there with the potential of that
very interesting per sources, sources to always toss that out.
Per Sauces, Yes, Antonio Pearson might be on that staff
as well.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
I can see that.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
I mean, I love Antonio Pier's intensity, his approach to
the game. I mean I played against him when he
played linebacker for the Giants. Even though his head coaching
career was short lived with the Vegas Raiders. There are
a lot of players who advocated for him, Max Crisby
being one of them, because he is a player's coach.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
And I know there is those who are.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Of the belief Ben that you cannot be a player's
coach in today's NFL and have success.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
You can. You just have to ride that line. You
have to find a way to ride that line.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
You know, what I mean, like, you have to find
a way to still have players be accountable while at
the same time you could be a pro player's coach.
Mike McDaniel had a problem letting discipline get out of
control that it ended up costing him down in Miami.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Hadn't cost him his job yet, but it will.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Like there's you know, there's a difference between and honestly
accountability is I got vic run out of Miami trying
to hold defensive players accountable. So you got to find
if you're going to be the guy who's gonna be
a player's coach, you've got to have lieutenants under you
on your staff that can hold players accountable when they
need to be able accountable.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Well, from from a player standpoint, here's what you want,
and it's the same rules as a parent. As a parent,
you just can berate your kids.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
And browbeat them and to tell them about all the
negative things that they have not done well.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
And once again, early on in my kind of parental resume.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
If you will, I had to learn that because growing
up the way that I did with my parents, it
was always discipline, straight, narrow, this, this, this, and really
did you hear what you did well. And I'm a
firm believer in this as a parent, as a coach. Also,
if someone is running an organization, to me, you want

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to make sure that you are able to validate the
p people that you that work for you as much
as you put pressure on them. And I can tell
you that doesn't always happen as a parent, and it
doesn't happen from a business perspective.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
Yeah, you gotta find you gotta ride that line both ways.
You gotta build a validate people and you got to
be able to discipline them and hold him accountable, you know,
when they need when they need that right.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
And I mean, I don't understand that from the parenting perspective,
but I understand it.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
From having been a child, so you know, but I'm
just saying I do understand for the business propective. I've
been a business owner. I do understand it from you know,
the military perspective. I understand it from sports perspective. Know,
So I'm with you on that. I think it's interesting.
I think Vance would. My one concern is Advance doesn't
really fit in well in the New York market. I
think he's too laid back for that, you know, like

(09:42):
like we just had a great week of practice and
not go play in New York.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Well, okay, the same thing tould be said, like, well finding.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
The perfect mixture because Joe Judge, who was hired off
the Patriot stad who was a special teams coach, right,
he brought over that whole page turants, I mean your
face type of yelling and scream, you know Josh mcdames
had or No, that didn't work. So for me, when
I think about coaches like Vance, and I would even

(10:12):
look at Wave Phillips because some say, well, we'll say, well,
Wave Phillips was a great defensive coordinated, but he wasn't
a great He.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
Was a good head coach, like people don't often That's
the thing that bugs me a little bit.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
People don't pay attention to what.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
To what Wade's records were, like, Wave was actually a
pretty decent a coach. He just had some some early
exits in the playoffs. It was the problem for him.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Well listen, look, man, I love Wave Phillips because Wade
gave me my first opportunity.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
Wait Waite was a fifty six percent winning percentage head coach.
He went eighty two and sixty four.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well, some some it's so good, yeah, but some don't
don't look at it in that particular way. And I'll
tell you this for those individuals who say that, you know,
Wade is not a good coach, and you look at
his record for his stats and playoffs, he Wades a
good person as far as being able to identify the

(11:05):
good traits and people. And I realized that when the
Broncos had that whole celebration of Super Bowl fifty and
de Maria Thomas, I found out a couple of things
I did not know when it came to like David Bruton, like,
it was Wade Phillips who decided to give David Bruden
an opportunity to play in the game to showcase his ability.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Now here's the one that blew my mind. I played
with this person. I never knew this story until that
alumni weekend, Rod Smith.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Rod told me a story that he kind of owe
his start to Wade Phillips because Wade kind of gave
him an opportunity. Right, So say what you want to
say about Waye, but Wade identifies talent and he's willing
to give individual opportunity to prove himself because he did
it for David Bruton, he did it for Rod Smith,

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and he.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Did it for me.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Right, So when you say that, uh, players coach has
no value in today's NFL, I find out hard to
believe because think about who said.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
That anyway, because I disagree with the players coach definitely
has valuable.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Well, there's a number of people who have said that
over my time as a coach, in my time as
a player, and I don't subscribe to that based on
what I just laid out to you. But when you
think about Liam Kahn, he's known as being somewhat of
a players coach. Absolutely, Dave Canelli is known as being
somewhat of a players coach.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Jim Harbaugh is a players coach.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
You should play the coach. And I know it doesn't
show right now with the Raiders, but well he carolls
players coach. Yes, there's a reason why Kansas City sometimes offensively,
they do a lot of I'm giving you air quotes
here playground plays because the.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Players go, hey, coach, can we get can you get
the yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (12:56):
The Kansas City was that their most successful when they
had Andy Reid at the top. And as much as
I did not like his offensive coordinating uh and other stops.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Eric B.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
Enemy as a lieutenant in there, and that's what I'm
talking about, disciplined area guy to hold you accountable.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
You got to have that hard ass on your team somewhere.
You got to have that dude somewhere that's that guy.
But it's like having dogs in the locker room. You
can't have all Q. You got to have one guy
in your will have to chance to smash them chains.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Right. But I'm.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah, it is true. It is true.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Coach coach films that I talked about this, you need
a couple of those guys. I mean, I've even had
coaches tell me, man, you need a couple of players
with a little that live while you're in them.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Now. You can't have a team full of them, Ben,
but you need a couple of guys. But I mean,
Eric B.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Enemy, in my opinion, was good for what they were
going through in Kansas City because you had somewhat yin
and yang. You had being to me on one side,
being a tough disciplinary that I'm going to hold you accountable.
Even Patrick Mahomes and then Andy Reid was more of
the you know, I'm the grandpa type of you know

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parent for you and it actually worked. So but you
still have to have that mixture. But at the same time,
whole players accountable. What can you validate them in front
of the piers the same way you chestised them. That's
what it has to be. And this is why I mean, I.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Love Bill Parcells. Totally different from Mike Shanahan, totally different.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
He's on the opposite side of the spectrum from from
Waye Phillips. But he's going to hold every single player accountable.
And this is why I still love Parcels to this day.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, Wade was one of those guys.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
And by the way, if you take away his interim
coaching when he took over his interim because he did
that three times as well, where he went you know,
three and age with you know, with bad teams, and
that last season in Dallas where they had the injuries
to the quarterback position, they wound up with Steve McGee
and John Kittner over Tony Romo because he was one
and seven in that season. You take away you know
that one in ten and the only three one thirteen,
and you're.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Looking at it.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
We were like two and sixteen between that last season
in Dallas and the and the interim jobs.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
That dude had.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
It was eighty and forty.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
Eight as a head like he was insane good as
a head coach and just kept His problem was his playoffs.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
He went one to five in the playoffs. He kept
getting bounced.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, you know what, that's just kind of difficult part
and his part for the course when it comes to coaching.
And to me, regardless of what anyone says, Wade is
a good man. He is a good person, and he's
a hell of a coach. Yeah, in my opinion. So
I hope that with all that being said, Advance gets

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an opportunity and the organization gives him some time to
remedy any team that he is to take over, because
obviously if your team is they've only had like two
wins on the season, you're gonna need some time to
remedy those issues.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, and we saw we could Advance came here. It
wasn't right away.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
I mean we had that seventy point game at Miami
with players It takes you know, it takes a season
for that to kind of get there. But we've seen
what happens in the season two or three, same thing.
You go back and look at Vance in Arizona. The
first season wasn't all they could, but he built that
thing up. Now the bottom fell out the last season
he was DC in Arizona because all the injuries and
then you know, the handle the old timers, all the
JJ Watt at the end and all that and the
old timers and the injuries and that fell apart. But
you know, for for three seasons he built an Arizona

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defense out of nothing over there. So you know, I mean,
Vance's I think he's gonna be a great hire for somebody,
especially because he's got the experience. He knows all the
things that went wrong in his first you know tenure
where he didn't get to pick a staff, didn't get
to pick his players.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
But that's you know, the biggest thing right there.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, how can you ask me as a coach to
go out there and put my best foot forward and
try to replicate the performance that you were able to
do with another teams based on that personnel. But she
don't allow me to go out, as Bill Parcels would say,
allow me to go buy at the grocerreet?

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Right, what did you kick the food?

Speaker 4 (16:57):
And the think about it is Vance has a great
eye for talent, like, guess the one thing, Like every
stop he's ever been to, everybody's always like yes, guys
like having an extra scout.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
And the staff and that you forge me to be
your head coach and they'll.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
Listen to him because how many times it rafts Carlos Henderson.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
How many times have we seen that around the NFL
where this is saying there's a vacancy from the head
coach and the gyam job, and sometimes they hired the
head coach first and then hired a GM. And for me,
that you're giving the head coach more power than you're
giving a GM, which we know there's always a power
struggle whatever, But however they come into the organization. Both

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of those guys have to share the same vision. And
I've seen it when you don't share the same vision.
I mean, it destroys a whole house of cars and
everyone ends up getting.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Fired in the end.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, that it does.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
We'll have more on that, by the way, for the
people asking if and when Vance goes, Jim Leonard would
be the first guy up for the defensive court dator job.
He's kind of been waiting on that there as well.
So to answer that question, right, O, there we'll get
more into that as well as other as we got
Paul Charchy talk a little fants football when we come
back right here on Brookoles Country Night.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Fine though, and getting our guy Paul Chartchi in on Paul.
How's it going good?

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Ben?

Speaker 6 (18:20):
I now expect us to discuss beaver Glands every time
I come on the show.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
Well, you got to warm me up a little bit
before we get there. But happy hump k, Happy Humphrey Day,
Little Jordan Humphrey Day. That is, as he makes his
triumphant return to the Denver Broncos. Obviously very fantasy relevant
in this offense. It's going to be a question of
who is going to be fantasy relevant? No JK Dobbins.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Now Troy Franklin continues to get all the targets in
this office.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Hey, anybody in.

Speaker 6 (18:44):
The Broncos offense is fantasy relevant? Well, yeah, lots are.
And let me ask you this, who is your wide
receiver one in Denver?

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Well?

Speaker 1 (18:53):
I guess it should be Courtland Sutton, except that it's not.
It's Troy Franklin for some unknown reason, you.

Speaker 6 (19:01):
Know, because sudden it's got that build of your traditional
number one receiver had been for years I thought he
was worthy of that. But what we've seen in the
last month is this offense tilting to Troy Franklin. And
you know, I don't know for sure that that's ultimately
the best decision, but you know, Franklin's proving himself to

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be worthy of the targets, at least I think he is.
And I'm still pretty optimistic at this point that Franklin's
got a really nice career ahead of himself.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Now, this matchup, in particular with Kennas City's really really hard.

Speaker 6 (19:36):
This is the second best fantasy defense against wide receivers.
So really, your whole passing it for me is on
the bench this week. But I think the fascinating play
is going to be our j Harvey.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Don't you think so? In his first ever lead role.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
Well, you would think, dad, except Sean Payton has a
propensity for whatever you think is about to be viable.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
He's like, I'm going to take that away because I
hate all of you. Wow, I'm a Viking fan. You
sound like how we talk about Sean Payton. This is fantastic.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
You know it's you.

Speaker 6 (20:10):
I think how this is gonna play out. You can
tell me if you disagree. The role that we had
previously seen R J. Harvey play a lot of third downs,
change of pay sky. I think that's gonna go to
Tyler Badey, And then I think Harvey's gonna get most
of the work in this game. And you know this
is also, by the way, Chief's also a really good
run defense. It doesn't get a lot better there, but this,

(20:33):
you know. Nevertheless, I just think on sheer volume, I
suspect we're gonna get what do you think eighteen total
touches from RJ.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Harvey in this game.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
Look, anyone with any sense would say that, except that,
now that we voiced that and put that out of
the universe, Julia McLoughlin is going.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
To get thirty touches in this game. I like that kid.

Speaker 6 (20:49):
By the way, I'm glad he has stuck around this log.
I always thought he I always thought he looked pretty good.
You know, Kansas City's run defense has been absolutely dominating.
They They have given up only one touchdown on the
ground since Week four. Last week James Cook got to
one hundred yards. It took him twenty seven carries to
get to fourteen yards against Kansas City. And you look

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just the week Before that, Jakrey Krasky Merritt only managed
to get to twenty five yards against the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
This is a this is a really tricky matchup. But
it's not just tricky on your side. Patrick Mahomes always
struggles in this matchup.

Speaker 6 (21:24):
It's this I think one of the really fun things
to watch is if Patrick Mahomes is going to be
able to do much here, even with Patrick Sutan out,
your team hasn't allowed any passing touchdowns in two games,
eight of ten opposing quarterbacks from zero one touchdowns, and
if you guys win here, you've pretty much ended the
Chiefs run of home field advantage, right Well, yeah, I

(21:49):
think that's I mean, that would be the ideal scenario here.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
You do that pretty much. It would take a very
outside shot, I think, for Kansas City to be able
to pull that off at that point.

Speaker 6 (21:59):
Exactly mahomes history since Sean Payton advance. Joseph got there
last year, they only had only played the one game
because of the Week eighteen, and then he only threw
for one touchdown two hundred sixty six yards. Two years ago,
Mahomes combined in the two games for just one touchdown,
and so this is, and then of course your pass rush.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Is just insane. As I'm sure your listeners already know.
This is a This is a very It feels like
first team to two wins this game.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
The first team too.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
He saw like Ben sounded last week and the Thursday
night football game when he predicted the Raiders would win
three to two over the different Brandts, right, and I
was so close.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
You were close. That was an awful game.

Speaker 6 (22:41):
And by the way, we're getting the Raiders foisted on
us again on Monday night football.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
We have Cowboys Raiders on Monday Night.

Speaker 6 (22:47):
I've never been more happy for this YouTube ESPN dispute,
so that I've got a good excuse not to put
up my over the air Rabbit ears and watch the
Monday night football game.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
I was worried about who was going to lose that game,
but the end's America. That's right, it's all of us.
We're all losers on Monday Night.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Paul, I want to stick with wide receivers for a second.
I saw something on social media, and I know A. J.
Brown loves to play video games, but I mean, what
do you make of this whole idea of him kind
of like telling fans like almost self sabotaging, telling them
to drop him because he's not being featured or getting
any targets in that Eagles offense.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yes, so you know, I think a lot of your
listeners might know this.

Speaker 6 (23:31):
But Philadelphia receiver AJ Brown went and played a full
game of Madden on Twitch last night. And by the way, Nick,
this highlights the danger of giving an athlete an open
mic from it. During his Madden play, right right, So
he said three interesting things. He said, my family's good.
Everything else is an s show. And then he said

(23:53):
playing he was playing as the Eagles in Madden, and
he threw himself a pass and he said.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
This is the only positive I've got in his own
pass himself. And then he said, if you've got me
on fantasy, get rid of me.

Speaker 6 (24:05):
And so we've we've got a term for this, where
you drop a big name player outright from your roster
that you think will ultimately harm whichever person picks up
that player.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
We call it a sabotage drop.

Speaker 6 (24:20):
It is the boldest of fantasy football moves, totally incompatible
with the innate cowardice of ninety five percent of fantasy
managers to drop a big name, proven player like AJ Brown,
he says you should do it.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
I will ask both of you, would you dare drop
AJ Brown from your fantasy roster if you had him?

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Yes, dude, I'm so hard up for receivers right now,
I'm not dropping the olaf is a kis at this point.

Speaker 6 (24:49):
Well, I'll tell you the best reason to keep him
AJ Brown is his schedule. Here's his next three games, Lions, Cowboys, Bears.
Here's where those three teams were rank in fantasy points
allowed to wide receivers. They rank fifth to last, third
to last, and dead last in wide receiver points allowed.
So maybe here now, Nick, you've seen this up close

(25:12):
and personal, squeaky wheels. If you're a good enough player
and you make some noise, a lot of times those
players get fed. Do you think AJ Brown, based on
making these comments is going Do you think they're going
to do a reversal and try to placate him with
extra targets.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
No. And the reason I don't think that because here's
what Kevin Patulo has done during the regular season.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
He's tried that. That's far right, I mean what I mean, he's.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Tried that, but he's taken away from Saquon Barkley touches
and that wasn't successful. And because we've heard so much
from AJ Brown, I think Jeffery Lurie they can't wait
to move him in the offseason. So I mean making
noise like this thinking that he's going to get more targets.
I don't think it's going to really change and his

(26:01):
direction as far as building up his regular production numbers
or fantasy numbers.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
At the same time, Kevin patula is on a hot
seat big time.

Speaker 6 (26:10):
Something has to change this is otherwise he's going to
be a one and done coordinator.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
You know, they brought in Kellen Moore last year. Kellen
Moore was great. That offense obviously wins the Super Bowl.

Speaker 6 (26:21):
And now you're Kevin Pattella with the same players, and
now your team count score points and you're doing crazy
stuff like throwing the ball on fourth and one with
thirty seconds left protecting elite.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
There's something, you know. This is a guy who's under
major heat.

Speaker 6 (26:34):
I think one of the few things he can do,
one of the few levers he's got, is to use
one of his best players.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
AJ Brown.

Speaker 6 (26:41):
I just you know, I think you might maybe right Nick,
you don't want to reward this kind of behavior.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
But at the same time, they need AJ Brown.

Speaker 6 (26:49):
I mean, you know, they they need the AJ Brown
they've had for years there to come back.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Maybe they do forced feed him.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
I would not sabotage drop a AJ Brown, but I
wouldn't blame anybody who does really quickly.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Paul, do you think that the organization could be pushed
to a point whether he have to choose between a
play caller who is kind of that's kind of things
tapered off, and the player who's this grown to and
who wins in that situation.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
I think push come to shove. AJ Brown wins.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
You might be right.

Speaker 6 (27:19):
I mean, it's not like Kevin Padulo's got this big resume. No,
oh god, he's untouchable. That's hardly the case here, right,
based on his track record and success is the limited resume.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
So yeah, I mean, I think a lot of times, and.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
Especially it's not as bad as basketball, right where the athletes,
the star athletes basically run the whole team. Football's got
some of that, though AJ Brown is still a superstar player.
We don't know what his relationship is like with his quarterback,
but if he's got the confidence of Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
I don't know, don't. I don't know how you get
mercurial with Aj Brown and start start taking targets away
from him.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
I don't know how you have Aj Brown, Devonte Smith,
Jalen Hurts, Saquon Barkley, Dallas Goddard.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
And you fail to score. That's what I do. I
don't understand. Kidding, right, you know, exactly exactly right.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
I mean, you know.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Those players are so good.

Speaker 6 (28:07):
You're talking about almost in every single case, one of
the two of the you know, you've got two of
the twenty best wide receivers, you've got one of the
ten best tight ends, you've got one of the five
best quarterbacks, you can Saquon Barkley, the reigning offensive player
of the Year, and you can't score points.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
It's absurd.

Speaker 6 (28:22):
We've got you know, they've got fewer wins and your
team does. And your team's got you know, doesn't have
any of those kind of things going on offense.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Right now now, I turned that into a cheap shot
on your Broncos.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
Yeah, you know, at this point, though, you know, maybe
that the Eagles need to do is hire Kevin Stefanski.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
And two negatives to make a positive who knows Paul,
it always goes too quick.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Brother.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
We'll have to get delve into this again next week.
But hopefully at that point A J. Brown got some
grease or at least some targets. Yeah, well we will
find out. Thanks guys, Gret chatting with our brother. Thanks
to Paul Charchion for joining us in the last second.
I don't got Patrick Keyoti coming up the top of
the hour chance to talk to him. The Broncos, of course,

(29:06):
made some moves today. They didn't obviously bring little Jordan back.
I don't know why I'm laughing at that every time.
I don't know why I'm surprised, like I'm not surprised.
Yesterday I sort of made a joke. I wonder if
Sean would call the Tavius Murray see if he's got
six games left in him. Murray, of course played for
Sean Payton. He's thirty five years old. Just because they

(29:31):
we don't We don't have a bruiser running back. The
only thing we've got is is Arge. And I'm not
saying Argie can't take a workload. What I'm saying is
Argi doesn't move the pile. You understand what I'm getting
at there's a if you need a back that can
do that, you have to have a bad So I'm
guessing Adam Prentice is just gonna be that guy.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Okay, Well I don't I don't agree with that sentiment
because how do you quantify that.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
You're saying that you don't believe that he can move
the pile because he is just not that physical type
of runner.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
If it's third and one, you lie, are you dot
in the eye with him?

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Like?

Speaker 1 (30:03):
As a defense are you you know?

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (30:07):
I mean from an offensive standpoint, why not? And the
reason I say that is because when I see RJ. Harvey,
I see the guy with the same size as Ray Rice.
And if you go back to Ray Rice's career with
the Baltimore Ravens, he could move the pile. Now, obviously
it looks a little different if you were to say,
well it was Derrick Henry. But even I would have

(30:29):
a pushback on that because with Derek Henry, they're running
a lot of off tackle running him on the perimeter,
because once again, it's putting the running back in a
position where he only has maybe one, maybe two defenders,
but running in between the a.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Gaps is tough for any back. I don't care who
it is. But but we've seen this Broncos team successful
a couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Remember when they were playing Eveland Browns, right, not on
Monday Night. It was a two to twenty five game,
and they ran a lot of wham plays, yes, and
they found success, only to not do it the following week.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
So they've proven that they had the propensity to do it.
It is just the willingness to do it.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
But also, can you block consistently at the point of
a type Because here's what I know about Spagnolo, and
it happened to the Broncos last year. And I'm not
talking about the last game of the season in January
twenty twenty five, but I think it was November tenth,
twenty twenty four, right.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Spagnola did a great job and he always does a
great job of moving Chris Jones around.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Almost to a point where the Bronco was trying to
run the ball. And somehow Adam Trumpman, like the Thursday
night Football game, like Truman ended up blocking Max Crosby.
I'm like, no, that's not the matchup. But in the
game I'm referencing, you had Adam Troutman trying to block
Chris Jones. Yeah, and this is on a pass play. Yeah,

(32:06):
And I don't have to tell you what the end results, well,
you know, basically a murder exactly. So the idea is
though the Broncos can do it, they can be successful
with RJ. Harvey, but they have to be strategic and
also at it's been because Kansas City they're decent against
the run. You're gonna have some negative run plays, yeah,

(32:28):
you are, so you cannot build on the run game.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Right, but we've seen this before.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
I'm at the point where I'm so jaded at this point,
like I'm the wrong person to be on the conversation
there because I'm like, I would love to see RJ.
Harvey go off for twenty carries and a buck twenty
and you know, and all this kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
But I'm so jaded because of what I've seen, what
I kind of know that I'm like, all right, I
know what we're gonna get. We're gonna get. We're gonna
get twelve carries out of this.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
They're gonna call the swing and screen game an extension
of the run game. In this thing, we're gonna wind
up with bo with fifty passing attempts for one hundred
and eighty yards and we're gonna lose this thing thirty
one to seventeen.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Well, well, okay, can I be optimistic Nick for a
thing and optimistic or shower me and the optimism.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
I would like to think that because of how things have.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
I guess added up to this point, and the Broncos
didn't have a great showing on Thursday night, and you
without JK.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Dobbins, which is.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Now going to force Sean Payton to really be a
little to be more craft if you will.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
So now some of the things that we we pound
it on the table for before that we did not receive.

Speaker 7 (33:40):
I'm thinking then, optimistic Nick, it's thinking that we're gonna
We're gonna get it by default because you have no
other choice but to find other creative ways to do
things that you should have done before with JK.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Dobbins. But now you got to call in the reserves
and you got to do it with them.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
We'll see if Patrick Keyota feels the same way. Broncos
cut your night back after this