11-12-25 Hour 3 of Broncos Country Tonight

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
But all right, Nick Ferguson zachs, if you're see within
five to six, six nine zero is the text line?
Oh sluid texts coming in there in the last uh segment,
Let's see, uh, how long before Broncos fans start saying
they need to trade for Shaduur as a potential replacement
for Knicks. Would motivate Nicks to perform better with the

(00:22):
Broncos after surrender more than a bag of footballs to
do it.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I don't think that's the cards.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, yeah, that would be a farce for real.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I I yeah, I can't see. I can't see any
scenario where that.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Would be unless we on Earth thirty two. I mean
maybe who knows, we might be on Earth six one six?

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Who knows?

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Who knows? Marvel reference there.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yes, Brian points out that the Raiders started eight and
two in nineteen ninety five and.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Finished eight and eight. Yes, that it has happened. They
don't be wrong. Those kind of collapses have happened. I just, yeah,
I don't I struggle to see that here.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
I mean, there's a very real scenario where you could
come away with only two more wins out of the schedule,
you know, you look at that and you say, all right, well,
you know, although you got the Raiders again and you
got a Jacksonville team, it's it's probably a little fraudulent
and and you could very easily lose to some of
the others. Washington, we don't know what we're getting with that.

(01:22):
Dan Quinn has taken over the defense, so we don't
know what that's going to be. Like Jane Daniels maybe
back for that game. We don't know yet. The Packers,
they're there, hit or miss.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
The Chargers.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
We got a game obviously, two Kansas City games, so
there's there's some tough ones in there. But I going
to you know, losing the rest of the way, I
don't know. I struggle to see that.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Well, well, Dan, the mindset of this team, it's very
simple cliche. It's one game at a time. You play
the opponent that's in front of you. You never look
past an opponent looking towards another. And this is a
big opponent for the Denver Broncos on Sunday. Playoff implications
for sure, where the you want to host a playoff

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game that that is very important to this team, and
based on the previous playoff history, this team has an
opportunity to change it regardless of how the offense is
played thus far. Last year they broke the glass celling
on that they went on the road to Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
It was a one and done for them.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
So the idea is that loss left a bad taste
and the mouth of the players who were on that
team and the coaching staff, and they want to go
back and improve that. You know what, that was just
the first step and the evolution of this team. But
more appont the evolution of bow and winning on Sunday
changes a lot of that.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
And there's still a lot of confidence in this team.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, and I think, you know, I mean, the fans
would love to have a home playoff game here.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
I think that's not what the players need to be
thinking about at this point.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
But if you you know, you eat Kansas City, you're
stacking enough wins, You're gonna wind up and have a
home playoff game.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
Yeah. But let's be totally honest. We are people, and.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
There is a tendency to look ahead based on beating
an opponent like that, Like it would be hard not
to think about that, even though the idea is that
you shouldn't.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
But if you beat Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Now you would have thrown them in a sense, you
would have been the roadblock in front of them, positioning
themselves where they can now repeat as title winners and
the AFC West.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
And to me that counts for something.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Could you imagine what the React show would be like
with Ryan Edwards with a convincing not just to win,
convincing win over the.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Chiefs, in which the offense.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yes, and if we will be one game closer to
making my fruition come true, which I said the Broncos
are capable of beating the Chiefs twice.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Okay, well let's see a bit him once at full
strike first and about twice. The greatest Christmas gift of
all this year, I just say, uh, the rest of us,
this is a great year for Denver sports though. You
look right now, You've got the Colorado Avalanche are uh
an NHL best I think eleven and one right now,

(04:20):
uh leading leading the West. You've got the Denver Nuggets
who are the currently the third seed in the in
the West behind okay See and in San Antonio as
at eight and two.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
And you got okay see the Lakers playing the night.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Okay See's put it to them early, plus you get
the Broncos at you know, at eight and two, all
three of these teams look poised to make playoff runs.
Which of the three do you think is.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Most poised to win a championship?

Speaker 3 (04:49):
You know what, I'm gonna go with the ass I'm
gonna go with that. But I see young seegers looking
at me like, well, that's interesting, Nick Ferguson. Uh. But
the reason we're gonna go with the app because they've
been more of the consistent team. And when you think
about things from a basketball standpoint, with the Nuggets.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
Even though they reshuffle with their roster.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
They say to have arguably the best player in the
league right now in Nicola Jokic. You still have to
contend with OKC And I don't think those dudes are
They're not going anywhere. And looking at how the Lakers
are playing without Lebron in the lineup with Luca, that
that team is a threat to itself. And I even
throw go to State in there with a healthy Steph

(05:34):
Curry of course, so I would have to in this
case mean, like I said, heavily on the abs, how
about yourself.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Don't sleep, by the way, don't sleep on San Antonio,
all of a sudden that you are starting to come together.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
They're a little bit in San Antonio. Don't sleep on
don't sleep on them.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
So who went with the proposition that you laid out there?

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Who are you going with?

Speaker 2 (05:54):
A Probably the Apps?

Speaker 1 (05:58):
You know you're sitting there at what is it eleven
and one? I think you had twenty seven points. They've
won four straight. They've just I think they're just better
than I. They could stay healthy. I think you're just
better than everybody in the West. Like it's not really,
it's not one of those hyperanalytical type things.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
A lone loss on one one buck loss at San Jose.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
You know, back to the beginning of November, I the
Abs look poised. Man, out of all the teams here,
the Ams look poised. I don't you know. Maybe I'm
off on this. Young Zack seekers over here, maybe maybe
has a differing opinion, but I think of the three,
it feels to me like the Abs are in the
best position.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
I think my gut was the Nuggets just because they
look like such a wagon. You know, you have the
best player on the planet who seems to have somehow
yet again found yet another level to his game with
how ridiculously an efficient he's playing, and that matters so
much on the NBA. I think I overlooked the point
that you guys illustrated so well, which is they have
a much harder route to it. You know, there's not

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a historically great, you know team in the NHL right
now that's being hyped up as a borderline dynasty that
the ABS have to overcome, where the Nuggets are going
to have to do that with this very talented OKAC team.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
You've also got Wemby and the.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
Spurs and Steph Curry and the Warriors to watch out for,
and then the Broncos. You know, they're working on overcoming
a dynasty themselves with the Chiefs game this weekend.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
So for me, I would have to throw out if
there is a team that the ABS would have to
kind of contend with the Florida Panthers.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
They're good, Yes, that would be the one.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Team so easier, Pad and not easy in the sense that, oh, well,
the ABS is just going to run through the season. No,
just just based on how talented the ABS are, but
also how tough it is for the Denver Nuggets just
being in the West, and for the Denver Broncos. Man,
it's getting over that big hurdle, right, that big hurdle,

(07:59):
and that being Kansas City. This is normally I would
say that you never want to kick a person when
they're down.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
But this would be the one time I say, keep on.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Do the American history. Actually the face on the curve, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Man, I'll get into it. Commit violence. I didn't say
I said kick him while they're down. You said stump them.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
I said curb stuff, like literally, kurb stuff.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Those are two different things, man, those are two entirely
different things.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Man, Like, was it that I overstepped there?

Speaker 5 (08:35):
Nick thought he was going out on a limb and
bended this to lou right where you go?

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I'm taking a ten percent further. I'm trying to.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yes, you know, I'm trying to trim the trees with
the clippers. Ben is pulling out dynamite and sea fool.
I'm like, whoa, man, sorry, hold on, Jason, We're trying
to do.

Speaker 6 (08:55):
Easy, easy trip, yes, I mean yeah. And and to
hold us back to the Broncos. I mean, yeah, this
would be this win. We've talked about it.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
I think you know, it's more pressure for Casey and
all that kind of stuff, But this win would be
bigger for the Broncos.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
I think in that step, wins and losses.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
In hockey and in basketball can be overcome and different ways.
In football, Who's we talked about before, because there's so
few games, games matter more. Yeah, I think if you're
looking at it, if you're asking the question, who's got
the the easier slate to a championship at seafs.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
But if as you're sitting.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Here, the Broncos are poised to make some noise, they
win this game, and all of a sudden, you're you're
basically in the driver's seat outside of maybe the Colts,
and of course you got to you can clean it
up against the Chargers the rest of the way, but
you're you're kind of in the driver's seat for home
playoff games.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, yes you are. And when you start talking about
I guess franchise defining wins, right, when was the last
time that you could say that there was a franchise
finding win for the Broncos. I mean, some would talk
about the t boat throw to Demeras for to put

(10:07):
to propel them to the playoffs, but I would have
to go back further than that and just look at
the battles between.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Right, and if the Broncos can do this now, this
would be one of those moments and franchise history where
you can look back and say, well, if things change
for the Broncos win.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, this would be the launching off point. I mean,
I have the potential to be that if you win.
When you compare these two teams, Kansas City obviously the
better offense, their top ten league in every statistical category.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
On the defensive side of things, they are about the same.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Broncos number three in points allowed, the Chiefs number four,
totally yards of Broncos number three, the Chiefs number six.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
A while only different styles.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
I would say, of a defense, but pretty similar in
terms of results. Only the big the biggest difference there
is the Broncos just you know, they just nullify the run,
whereas the chief tend to be a little pedestrian against
the run.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
They give up one hundred and five yards a game.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Broncos get a ton of sacks, in fact, doubling up
more than doubling up Kansas City sacked total on the season.
Kansasy on his twenty sacks on the season Broncos forty six,
but otherwise pretty similar in terms of results.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, and that's where you know the Broncos can impag
the offense of Kansas City and really derail what they
want to do offensively.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
It is upfront.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
If you go back to that November tenth game in
twenty twenty four, you could see it because that was
a game where the Broncos had four sacks, and that
was still a game that Nick Benito had Patrick Mahomes
and his clutches like three times.

Speaker 7 (11:40):
We've seen that over the years, He's not had them
of the clutches like yes, but see that is the
dynamics of Patrick Mahomes where his coach allows him to
do those types of things.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
And granted, Patrick Mahomes has.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Earned the right to be able to do some of
those playground type of things, and they're not a lot
of coaches in the NFL that supports that and encourage
their quarterbacks to be able to play that style of
let's just call it backyard thanksgiving competitive football.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
You're hoping the Broncos have a bit of an advantage
with Vance Joseph as the defensive coordinator because Vance of
course as head coach back in the day, used to
be able to slow down Pat Maholmes early on in
his career when nobody else could seem to figure out
how to do it, you know, and he was the
one he shifted his philosophy. Vance used to play I mean,
and he does still play quite a bit of a
single high with you know, with the robber. But Vance

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was the first guy to roll out too high against
Pat Maholmes.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
You know.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Vic copied that, you know, and built off that obviously
when he got here. But Vance was the first person
that was rolling out too high against Mahomes. And that
seems to be the only thing that slows him down.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Well see, that's that's the idea of man. It slows
him down, is not going to stop him. And when
you run zone coverage, you're forcing all seven or eight
of those guys in the back in to be on
the same page. And I can tell you sometimes guys
see things as though it was told.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
To me in my playing days.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
When I played cover to a guy would say I
saw something.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
Yeah, I saw something too.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
I saw you jump a shallow route and left me
in the spot where someone ran a quarter route on me.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
Now everyone's thinking that I can't cover right.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
So on Sunday, these guys have to be spot on
with their drops. And if they can hit their landmarks
and force the Chiefs to throw things in front of them,
and then they can rally and they can tackle as
a group, the Broncos win the game. But if there
is an issue where someone's a little off and coverage

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and zone coverage in their drops and they get sucked
up by the shallow route, I mean, for me, it's
gonna be a long.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
Day for the Broncos defensively if that happens.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Well, we're hoping that it won't.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
We'll obviously have more on that as we progressed throughout
the week. But a big game, really big game going on.
It's interesting to me this one didn't get flexed to
like a Sunday night or something like that that was
that's kind of weird that it didn't.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
I think it's because the Seahawks Rams game is on
Sunday night and you've just got somehow Outmarkey. This is
like the biggest game of the AFC all season long,
but it just got a little.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
The biggest home in the NFC with the Seahawks and
the Rams.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Well, what does that say about Kansas City and how
they've fallen off?

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Just a little Yeah, that that little seattle and you know, yeah,
it just is what it is. Anyway, we've got an
NFL six pack. We come back for Aucas Country to night.
Thanks to the Patrick key Odian.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Paul Charchian for joining us earlier. It's time with the
NFL six pack. Here, It's time for the NFL six pad.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
I'm going to trek the last periods insight information you
can't find anywhere else.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
The top six NFL headline.

Speaker 5 (15:00):
Was ESPN's Dan Graziano reported today that Vance Joseph is
expected to be one of the most coveted coaching candidates
then this year's head coach hiring cycle.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Do you agree with this report from Graziano?

Speaker 5 (15:16):
And if Joseph is hired, where do you think it
is that he'll land as a head coach?

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Absolutely agree. I know three teams already doing background.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
He's got options in terms of how he wants to
do his offense. I think Vance is going to be
better at his second go around where he has more input.
If you're a Broncos fan, I don't expect Vance Joseph
back next year. Let me just put it to you
that way, he's gonna be. He's gonna be very coveted.
Whether or not he lands a playing we'll see. Vance
has already been a good interview. We know that that's
how I got the job here in the first place.

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But there are teams out there looking. If I had
a guess right now in New York Giants, I would
say that Miami and Cincinnati will be in the mix.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
I think it would be a great look for Vance.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Joseph honestly, in New York City is a tough place
with tough people and a tough fan base.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
But I definitely agree with Ben.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
A second go round is always much better, and especially
with the idea.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
And I don't know this, but I would hope.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Wherever Vance goes, whomever offers him a job, they allow
him to select his group of people, because in order
for any coach to be successful, you have to be
surrounded by your people. Think about Sean Payton being him
with the Broncos. There are a lot of individuals from
his New Orleans days and sometimes that's what you need

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to be successful for. But it will be it would
definitely suck to see him leave, But this is how
this thing goes.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
I do think the Broncos are about as well set
up to lose a coach like fans Joseph.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
As you can be.

Speaker 5 (16:51):
With Jim Leonard, a well respected defensive mind in his
own right, already working on this staff for the past
two years. He's got defensive play calling experience granted at
the college level, but was very highly thought of there.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
And you know he can come in and.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
Hopefully you also get two third round picks to maybe
help replace that impact Joseph has. I'll also say, in
terms of him evolving as a head coach, not only
does he have that past head coaching experience to fall
back on now, but when he was hired by the Broncos,
he only had one year of coordinator experience under his belt.
Now he's got ten years of being either a coordinator

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or a head coach. I think he's much better prepared
for that next opportunity. Yeah, I do too, and I'm
wishing him. I'm wishing him luck.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
But I fully expect Sean Payton to bring in more
Sean Payton people and the other people are going to
be moving on it for this year.

Speaker 8 (17:41):
Two in his mid season predictions.

Speaker 5 (17:47):
NFL Networks in how Scout Bucky Brooks has the Broncos
finishing the year as the AFC's number six seed at
twelve and five. Do you think the Broncos actual finish
to the season will be better or worse that, both
in terms of record and standing in the playoff picture?

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Well, I mean that that would mean you'd go what
four and three the rest of the way. I mean,
that's not that difficult to stretch of the imagination.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
You got the you know, you got the Chiefs, Commanders, Raiders, Packers, Jags,
Chiefs again, Chargers again. That feels like a very realistic
prediction out of all that. There's a scenario here which
you only win two of those games.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
I mean scenario where you winn know them.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
But there's scenario here where you only win two of
those games and you lose you lose five of them,
and then you finish ten and seven. So, you know,
I think anywhere from ten to seven to twelve and
five is probably the outlook.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Maybe thirteen and four at the at the very very best.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Well, that's with that listening there, that would suggest that
you're gonna win one of those games against the Chiefs,
you're gonna lose one of those games, and then the
game of the end of season with the Chargers because
you look at Washington, Vegas, Green Bay, and Jacksonville. For me,
those are all winnable games, all four of those games.
So look, man, if the Broncos end up at twelve

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and five, which I think they can best that record,
that is still arguably one hell of season.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
And if you're twelve and five, I mean basically.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
That's saying you're gonna win the Chiefs games, or excuse me,
you got to lose the Chiefs games, lose the Chargers game,
and win the rest album.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Is the Chargers the top seed there at that point?
I mean, like, who's the number one seed? If you're
the sixth seed?

Speaker 5 (19:25):
I can circle back on that. I think he had
the Patriots as the AFCs.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Well, what I'm saying is who won the AFC West
at that point, because if you're the six you didn't
win the West.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
He had the Chiefs them down and winning.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Then he had the Chiefs winning both those and the
Chargers winning their game, and then okay, gotcha all right?

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, I mean that seems realistic. I hope it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Happen, but that is within the realm of possibility, of
realistic possibilities.

Speaker 8 (19:48):
Three, the Giants new head coach Mike Kafka announced that
Jameis Winston will be taking over I had to do it,
will be taking.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Over as the team's starting quarterback.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
Effective le benching Russell Wilson with Jackson dart out of
the lineup. Have we already seen the last start of
Russell Wilson's career? And if not, when do you think
he gets that next start?

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Who knows?

Speaker 1 (20:10):
I mean it could be this year. I I don't know.
This is one of those things you're trying to give
a spark to your team. I sort of get it
if you're if you're Mike Gafka. For the purposes of
our bet, I wanted rust and will play this game
simply because I was like, he's going to pass justin
fields and touchdowns in just this one game.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
But you know Jameis will pass him in this one
game too. It it's.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
We'll see this is I mean, this Giants team, it
darts out with the concussion, he's going to be back.
When when he's back, I don't know if if Jameis
goes down with an injury, then that'll probably be rust again.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
As far as next year, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
He always teams looking for a vinch quarterback, So who
knows made Carson Wentz got starts this year?

Speaker 4 (20:48):
You know, it was really.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Interesting how you pose that question, and I could see
from behind the glass there was a certain level of delight,
and yes, Benching of one Russell was you you kind
of like set up in your chair. But for me
right now, I think it's as James from here on
that unless he gets injured. As far as Russ being

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on this particular roster, I doubt it. But because of
his leadership of the type of person is, I can
see Russ on another team come twenty twenty six, not
as a starter, but a viable backup that can help
bring along a young quarterback.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
So that is a possibility, and I'll say.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
It has nothing to do with Ross or any dislike
of Russ. It's sure the Broncos will be The Broncos
have kind of a season long bet with the Chiefs
here about who will win the division.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
If they wrap up that season.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
Long bet in November, I think they're gonna be pretty
darn happy. And much the same wrapping up this bet
in November, I feel pretty darn proud of myself.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Hey wow, Ben, that's fine if this thing falls apart.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Out of late.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
I've never.

Speaker 8 (21:56):
Before I thought I was ever gonna hear the end
of the three touchdown game in week two.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
I mean, how much were you, like? How much were
you sweating?

Speaker 4 (22:06):
I thought it was done, and we do. They tied at.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
Three touchdowns because A fields at the miracle game in
week one and I was like, oh, it's done, but hey,
here we are anyway. In an exercise listing the ten
modern NFL players who would have dominated in nineteen ninety five,
NFO dot Com highlighted Patrick Mahomes, Saquon Barkley, Justin Jefferson,
Jamar Chase, George.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Kittle, Penney Sewell, Vita Vea.

Speaker 5 (22:32):
Miles Garrett, Micah Parsons, and PS two as the ten
players they think would dominate in the NFL thirty years ago.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
What do you make of that list?

Speaker 5 (22:41):
And are there any Broncos beyond PS two that you
think would have dominated the NFL in a different era?

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Can you wrap up?

Speaker 1 (22:50):
I mean, single to Alex Singleton would have would have
dominated that era.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Sidelight to sideline backer that can get downhill.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
We would have destroyed that era. They might have been
a little light note like the cheeks, but otherwise that
that's tough, because I mean it was a bulky or
stronger era I think of football is probably the best
way to put that. A lot of the I formation,
you still had some pro set stuff back in nineteen
ninety five with the you know, split backs, the receivers

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you were looking for. You were looking for guys that
could catch them all forty yards down the field and
you were going to get four chances at an all game.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
I don't know that I would have put the tighty.
I don't know I would put George Kittle on there.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Listen first, first of all, let me start off this way.
I can't believe the blast with me that I'm here
right now, because the first guy I thought of automatically
would have been Von Miller right playing in that particular era.
But when you think about George Kittle, and I've been
around George and John Hembry coasts him up to the

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player he is right now because of his route running,
his physicality, he would have fit in well back in
nineteen I mean ninety five and these players on the list.
All these guys are really skilled and their relative department
from the position.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
That they played, and they all would have done well.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
But I mean Miles Garrett would have hate man, I mean,
he would have been a monster, and he would have
found baied up better than I believe Michael Parson would have.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
But Parson would have had his stats, but not like
Miles Garrett.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
On the Broncos point with it being in a larger era,
in era more about physicality. How about Big Quinn minors
are for that downfield receiver.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
How about Croyland Sunton.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
I don't know. I don't know, because once again you
gotta think about the dbs who play during that time. Man, Yeah,
you're gonna need your skill set in your physicality.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
And I'm not sure Courtland was just physical enough to play.
I mean, just by his size, I don't think he
was physical enough to be I mean those guys that
was like the Herman Moore, Chris Ordered, Jerry Rice.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Remember that's Irvin Bruce where you can actually get up
in a dude's chest.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
And go to work.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Yeah, Carl Pickens era, Yes, Harriman, I don't know about that.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah, it was some Yeah, I'm trying to remember who
the tight ends were that year ninety five because I'm
trying to.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Remember what was it that seems like I.

Speaker 7 (25:12):
Was right around the Cha Check era, Mark Monchromore, Green Bay.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Maybe I'm trying to Ben Coates, maybe Shannon Sharp, Yeah, Sharp,
of course, But I'm just trying to think of who
the who the tight the NFL tight ends would have been.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
She remember would have been one.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
I'm just trying to think of Willis would have been
West Walls, remember Wesley Walls?

Speaker 2 (25:29):
And then what I back then think those kind of guys.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Once again, it's no disrespect to to Courtland, but once
again understanding what that type of football was, where the
fenders and safeties who played that position, they were able
to roam.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
Around the middle and go to work. So it's a
different game now.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, that was go ahead, You're five five? Sorry, Ben, No,
you're totally sunny.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
The New England Patriots have ruled out Rimandre Stevenson for
the third straight game.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Is see is Stevenson in day.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
Of losing his starting job to Trevion Anderson with him
dealing with injury and Henderson having a breakout performance this
past week against the.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Bucks ranks dagers, losing a roster spot.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
You know, he hasn't been able to eat a big
back who hasn't been exactly been reliable on the health front.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
And then you turn around and uh, he's been a fumbler.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Uh through he's had He's got seventeen fumbles over the
course of his his career, seven last year. He's got
another three this year. You know, in just eight games.
He's he's a big back who's a fubbler, who doesn't
really you know, I mean, he's had a declining production
for four straight years. I don't know that, you know,
in terms of average, I don't know that. Uh, I
don't know if he's gonna be there next year. They'll

(26:38):
they'll probably find themselves a different big back to be,
you know, to be the thunder to Henderson's lightning.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
I think he's already lost the spot.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yeah, because Tevon Henderson was drafted just for this purpose
to be this type of a back, and known as
though he's leading the team right now, well you know
he's not. I mean, he's second in the team as
far as Carrie's a concern. But he has more yards
than Ramandre Stevenson. So Mike Vrabel is a type of

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coach that Bill Belichick was. I don't care where you
were drafted. Are you being productive? And right now Trevion
Henderson is being productive. But it's it's very difficult when
you were sat down and you watch another guy get
your carries.

Speaker 5 (27:21):
Two three weeks ago, everyone was talking about, you know,
Henderson struggling to crack the lineup in New England, that
this guy Jenning's was getting touchdown carries over Henderson. Do
you think two three weeks from now, maybe we're having
a similar conversation about R. J. Harvey that you guys
just kind of laid out for Trevion Henderson.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
I do not.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
That's a note for me. Dog six.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
He was waiting for some analysis there. I'm like that one. Hey,
I'll say we start Harvey's getting on the field. I'll
hold up fay for him, even though I probably agree
with you guys. AJ Brown said today that he won't
apologize for complaining about his lack of production and the
offense his struggles during a Tuesday night Twitch stream where

(28:09):
he went, I know that if a ramt This was
his response today.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
It's not just solely about my situation. I mean, guys
like obvious, I don't want to win it too, you know.

Speaker 9 (28:17):
And I think if we're we're really focusing on winning
and doing our job, like we can't just keep snapping
the Vanda aid over the defense during their job and
getting us out of troubles.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
At what point we're gonna pick up box slack as
an offense that.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
We're saying we're so great, you know?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
And that's what I'm getting it.

Speaker 5 (28:35):
It's not a what do you guys make of those
comments from Brown? And is he right to make us
think about this problem with the offense not holding up
their end of the bargain.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah, I think that's player accountability. I think you're saying,
look good enough isn't good enough? We can't just say, hey,
we're winning games. We can't settle for that. So I
agree with him in that portion of it. I don't
know that I would necessarily be as vocal recommend anybody
be his vocal, especially on public through a Twitch stream
those kinds of things.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
They feel like you need to do that in the
locker room. Though beyond that, I don't know. You probably
what he said.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
I don't have a problem with it at all. I
know This is something that is frowned upon in the
NFL where a player voices his opinion and voice his
opinion publicly. But once again, I mean, he's actually right.
We watched the Green Bay game. It was but of
a stinker, was a baseball score game. I loved it

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because of the defense. Most people didn't because it hurt
their fantasy numbers. So sometimes you have to step up
to the mic and say, look, man, Keyshawn Johnson, the
damn thing, give me.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
The damn ball.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
And I respect aj Brown for doing it because most
players don't want to do it because it's not part
of the league policing team policy. But how else do
you get someone as someone else's attention, knowing as though
you are capable of helping the team, but you have
to be there as a bystander and watch him struggle.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
So I don't have a problem with it.

Speaker 5 (29:59):
Do you think if the Broncos offense doesn't turn around,
that we could start seeing similar things bubble up out
of that locker room on the offensive side of the ball.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
No, how about that?

Speaker 5 (30:10):
I think it gets me well, so from what that,
I mean to your point, I think if it's something
happening inside the locker room. I think you don't want
to be going on twitch streams and right these conversations
out there. If it's not bubbling out at all, I
would say that means it's either not happening, which probably
isn't good, or it's staying inside the build.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
You know how this happens.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
The idea is that if you don't speak up and
speak out, that means that you may be comfortable with
what's actually taking place. And I think that there are
guys in that locker room who have a little cachet
where they can actually speak up. They may not speak
to those publicly, but they can go internally inside the
building and say, man, look I need to be more involved.
That's not selfish.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
That's a person who wants to win, you know, especially
after the last game the Eagles played, you know, in
which I mean, yes, that's it.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Just ton of those from from Ken Patullo throughout the season.
So I understand where where ag is coming from.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
That necessarily the way you know, I personally would handle anything,
but I ain't trying to, you know, I'll.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
See it hard to believe Benjamin Albright.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Like I'm not sitting here saying give me the damn ball,
But how would you phrase it?

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Give me the m f ball. The same thing be.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
A little bit more exploited. Lady office country the night
back into this