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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He's hit as he throws the ball is going to
be intercepted. That is Brandon Jones with the interception, and
said the forty, in said the thirty, and said the
twenty five inside.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
The twenty, there's the break.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
The Broncos needed. The defense of Denver with a huge
turnover for man pressure, Ridder has.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
The ball deflected. It is free bouncing around and recovered
by the Broncos. That ball knocked away by Nick Benito,
recovered by Malcolm Roach and Denver with their second huge
turnover of the game. They've got the football at the
Raiders seventeen yard line.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Somebody needs to get rider of him. I would have
thought that Daniel Jones would have gone to the Raiders,
but apparently he wants to sit. He's willing to sit,
wants to go to a successful culture, a playoff type
team this year in on a one year rental and
kind of soak up some winning culture.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
You know, I don't blame him. I'm not mad at
him for it.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
I think think about it from the standpoint, and I
give it. See you the term of basketball. Remember when
Lebron James was leaving Cleveland, he went to Miami and
he went down and learned the heat Way and learn
of the pat Riley. That kind of changed a lot
of the personality that Lebron James had. In my opinion,
he had to go to Miami to learn how to win.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
He didn't learn that in Cleveland. He knew how to
carry a team, but he didn't know how to win.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
And once again, even though a lot of these players,
you know, let's talk about quarterbacks drafted in the first round.
You've seen them with a lot of success on the
collegiate level, but once they get to the pros, they
don't really know how to win, especially they're going into
an organization who's drafting them hoping.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
That they would be that team saving well naked Johnson's
not like he went to Alabama.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
He went to Duke.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I mean, you said that, like that was that's supposed
to me saying he wasn't in contention for any national championship.
Well do exactly, Like he never got around that championship.
So you say, well, it's not like he you know,
I mean, but the Duke, And I was like, yeah,
it was a little different. Man, basketball plays for championships.
Duke football is you know, subsidize, subsidized by basketball.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Now I will say this, I mean when it comes
to like being fundamentally sound. He was part of the
fighting cutcliffs, David cut Cliffs, which Peyton Manning.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Knows very well and so does Eli.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
So from that standpoint, fundamentally he was there, but he
didn't really win a lot of things and at do
And then now you go to the Giants where there's
a heavy amount of criticism, Like New York media is
nothing like the Denver market, right, Like this market pretty
calm self kind of in.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Comparison to New York.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
So taking a guy who played a duke, putting me
in New York and then having to deal with that,
he doesn't know how to win and how to handle
all of those things. So wherever he goes, I'm hoping
that he latches on to a team that's going to
make the playoffs so he can learn.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
What that's like.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
My gut says Minnesota. We'll see how that shakes out.
Minnesota backup Sam Donald. He insurance policy. If you can
say he's no cost, He's got offsets in the contract,
so he's no cost.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
It'll be a minimum deal.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
You go to Minnesota be the backup for Sam Donald,
because the backup right now is Nick Mullins.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Men, and you get to learn under QB whisper of
An O'Connell.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Well, and you're the other keep you with sirt Brett
Rippin the thirst string quarterback. There he goes and check
pick up some we gotta go hashtag let it rip,
someone's gotta go.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
You got ripping, You got Nick Mullein. Well, Nick Mullins,
way to his credit, has ang around in the league.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
I was, I was around Nick Mullins in San Francisco.
Nick has found a great way to kind of stay around.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
To the league, and they had some great games in
San Francis. Funny enough, I'll tell you guys a story.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
The Broncos tried to trade for Nick Mullins with Gangarrella.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Gangarrella was here, and the reason that San Francisco would
not trade him.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Is because we would not give up Emmanuel Sanders to
do it. We ultimately cut Emmanual Sanader. He will ultimately
sent Emmanual Sanders to the forty nineers. Anyway, But yeah,
when the forty nine ers were here, it was in
fact that deal was considered close. When the forty nine
ers came here for joint practice.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
But this is why it's so important when you draft
the quarterback that you put them in every.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Position to succeed.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
And how many guys have we seen kind of be
labeled a bus or be in a position that Dave
Jones now find himself. We've seen several guys, several guys
and if you're gonna look, one of them's.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Leave the charge in Minnesota right now exactly came from
the other place in the New York market.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
And Sam Donald, just like a Baker Mayfield, was one
of those quarterbacks that everyone had pretty much tossed a
side like he was done, he was over, and he
just backing up.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
As a matter of fact, though Sam Donald got tossed
aside for Baker Mayfield at one point.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yes you sure did, Carolina, Yes, sure sure did. Everybody
forgets both those guys quarterback in Carolina. Well I'm speaking
of Carolina. How about Bryce Young against the Chiefs yesterday.
I mean, after sitting on the bench for a couple
of games, he looks like he might have figured it out.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Don't count someone out. This is what I love about sports,
is what I love about life. This is what I
love about competing, never giving up. I don't care what
life tosses at you, what people say you can't do.
If you believe in yourself, man keep serving forward.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Is Bryce Young the Rick Ashley of quarterbacks. No, never
gonna give you up, never gonna let you down. Always
always around, always around. You know, big news today, Broncos
wave Greg Dulcic. I would not be surprised to see
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either Carolina or the New York Jets put in waiver
claims for Dulsice. Still the Jets have the number six claim,
the Panthers have the number eight claim.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I would not be surprised if he wound up with
one of those two teams. Carolina.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
I can see that based on what Dave Canillas is
trying to build.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
The just lost you, Tavian Sanders. You saw them hold
up with the next thing. Yeah, and here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Also, when you look at the Carolina Panthers offense, for me,
they didn't have enough offensive weapons to put around Bryce
shawng So, just like to Grant's credit, I'm glad he
spoke about Bryschong and I'm glad that he's having, you know,
some success and hopefully change the narrative bob him. But
even though I know Greg Doser's doesn't really have a
say in it.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I think it'll be.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Beneficial for him to go to Carolina opposed to going
to the New York Jets, where that team is just
going to be ripped apart in this offseason.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
He will know the offense obviously, because what Downing and
Hackett ran is what Hackett was running here in Denver
more or less h and at least in terms of tternology,
So he would know that he was drafted to be
an off the line.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Why for Nate Hackett, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I mean, he's not gonna have a choice, and it's waiverclaim,
so he doesn't have a choice. The Jets do have
the first of the priority the waiver claim by two slots.
Caroline of course has a Gerald Varrow was very familiar
with him. He was he was on the defensive side
when he was drafted there.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
So just yeah, Hackett and Downing both probably gone after exactly.
Jara Rodgers is going to be gone after this year.
The Jets are cleanhouse. What the funniest thing ever, I'm
just saying, well, but.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Here's what I think I mean, going down in Carolina
and looking at how knel Is in the offense when
Baker Mayfrow took over, how they were able to spread
the ball around.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
For me, that is a great place room.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
And if if Hackett really likes you know, Greg Dosage,
he wouldn't even make a sound to even pick him up,
because there's a possibility, there's a slight possibility if Dulsage
can be more consistent and the Canels can use him,
he could be like a Greg Osin, you know, for
that offense, for for Bryce.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Young, Yeah, I mean you know he was drafted to
be And somebody was asking me about that because a
Jets guy was asking me about that because they're like, well,
what if he can't make the Broncos tight end room,
then how is he gonna make ours?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
And I'm like, it's not about that, It's about the fit.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Like Greg Dulsuch was drafted to be an off the
line why and Sean Payton requires someone who can play
in line and block and Greg Dulsige is just not
that guy.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
No, he's not.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
And for me, I'm a firm believer, is that you
try to maximize the guy's ability. You never put him
in multiple situations and things that he can't do. Even
though at some point, based on the scheme, you may
require him to do certain things. But I've always felt this,
you know, Dulphinage, between the injuries, a couple of drops,
I just felt that he was never the same because
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you could see his confidence started to fall off. And
as a player, while you're up and the falls off, man,
you're in trouble.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Do you feel like he got a fair shake with
Sean Payton. I feel like he had a couple couple
bad drops and then he was never given another chance.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
He had, he had opportunities, man, I mean, like I'm
gonna be honest with you. They were putting him out
there early. You know, they were putting him out there.
They gave him the chances. I mean, I thought he'd
be cut coming into the season, but they put him
back out there.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
They give him a chance to go through camp, get healthy,
do all this stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
In the first couple of games he was out there
getting targets and everything else, just didn't make any didn't
make didn't make any And that's part of the thing.
I mean, it's not like Sean Payton didn't give you
a chance to work your way out of the doghouse.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Look at Marlin Mimms.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Well, you know, I thought that this would have happened
long before now, like in the trade dadline, maybe something
would have happened if they would have released him after
they figured this figured out that maybe they could not
move him. But once you become a healthy scratch for
multiple games, you have to start thinking from that standpoint,
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both you and your camp, that I may not be
here that long. Let's start looking at other opportunities in
the best places for me to end up.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Yeah, I agree, And for Dulstache, I think it's a
fresh start is probably the best thing for him at
this point, you know, I mean, you've been a healthy
scratch for what six weeks something like that here. I
mean it's you're at the point now where going somewhere
else and getting a fresh start is probably the best
thing for you. Have an opportunity with a clean slate,
with a team that wants you, that puts in a
waiver or claim to invest in you.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
And orc at it and work your way out of it.
You don't have to have the pressure of a I
hit those drops in West I gotta make up.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
For this, and then you start, you know, you clench,
you get the tight cheeks, you know, and then you
start overcompensating.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
It creates Quicksand you know, we talk about the movie.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
The replacements all the time, but there is some things
to take from that movie. Sometimes when when he gives it, uh,
you know, what are you scared of? And they started,
he says quicksand and oh, yeah, that's scary. But then
he talks about, you know, the psychology quicks.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
That's a real thing.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
That's a real thing that that that manifested yourself in
sports and honestly in real life all.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
The time, it does, and especially you know when you
play the game of football and you're in a position
that Dosage found himself in, you know, going into his
second year in this offense and haven't really been on
the field as much as most fans would have loved
because coming out of UCLA, Man, I was so happy
when the Broncos picked him up, and I was like,
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the expectations are off the chart for his kids, and
then he was having.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Injury after injury after injury.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
And I don't know if our listeners have ever been
in that situation. That's a tough spot to be in,
not physically but mentally. Because you said you said, well,
the moment you figure that you get healthy, something else,
And that was happening with Greg Dosage. The moment he
thought he was healthy, gets out on the field, there's
something else, and then that plays tricks on your mind
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and then you say you okay.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Coming into the season, he.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Thought, finally, you know, I put all of that behind me,
the buggaboos and all of that, and then all of
a sudden he gets out there and he drops passes.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
And it because your mentality becomes now what instead of
I'm gonna go make a play, I gotta do this,
I gotta do that. You're sitting there thinking before you're out,
before you snap, you're thinking, now what now, what's gonna
happen happening this time? What do I And instead of
doing the thing you're supposed to do, read the guy
who inside it outside leverage. You know what you thought
process gets hijacked and derailed and you go down a
rabbit hole.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Yeah, because everything about you that was once automatic. All right,
I see a defender, I see he's off. I'm a
settle down. If I see him sitting short, I'm gonna
go vertical.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
All of that thought process is now gone.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Because the one thing that you're thinking about not making
a mistake, and if you've dropped balls as or tight
end a receiver, the first thing you think, okay, well
you know what number you are in the progression, and
you're praying to the skies, don't throw the ball to me.
And if you are thinking that, guess what You're already done. Yeah,
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it's a raft.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
The two one four text in my counter argument is
who was making plays in the first couple of games.
The offense was horrible and it was only defense, And
there's some truth to that. However, Greg Dulsit's dropped some
perfectly thrown balls to him. I mean it was multiple,
it was more than one, and and so that's I
think I think in that particular situation, I think that's
what it was, is that, you know, he kept not
making the play when the opportunity got to him. And
in this offense, if you're not the ex receiver, you're
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not gonna get that many opportunities.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
You've got to make the most of them, you know,
especially you know, as we have a ricky quarterback and
he's looking to see what guys gonna win their one
on one battles.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I go back really quickly to the.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Game, the game against the Jets where there were two opportunities.
One was a reception that you know Greg Doc's dropped.
Another when he had an opportunity on I think a
swing route or a screenpass to Marvin Mahams where or
Jelim mclough for one of those guys where he didn't
do a great job and the guy made a tackle.
And once again, when you're not blocking and you're not
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making catches and now holding them in guess what, Hey, man,
hey big come come highlight me, come stand up right here.
I want I want you to do a good job
of holding his clipboard and tell me what's going on.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, and you need to.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna take your input on that
as I'm outputting you out.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
This roster exactly. We know who has made the most
of their opportunities and gotten themselves back out of the doghouse.
As you mentioned a second ago, Marvin miss swings.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
It out, mimes wide open inside the forty thirty.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Five to thirty. There we go twenty five to twenty.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Fifteen, ten inside the five.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
First down, Denver forced out of bounds at the Raiders
four yard line by Isaiah Palamool Mims in the backfield
behind Nicks and the pistol set swung out and was
all by himself a gain of thirty seven yards.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
They found ways to work Marvin Mims into this offense finally,
which you know, to me there are easy ways they're
working in.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
There are easier ways they're working in.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
But why did you roll your eyes and look at
me when you said finally?
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Because this is something that's that they've been not doing
when they could have been doing it all along. We've
talked about this since what we two three? We're like, yeah,
what are we doing here? We got the most explosive
athlete and we're leaving.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Them on the sideline.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
This is the most explosive and it's not like he's
got a drops problem. This is the most explosive athlete
we got and he's sitting over there on the sideline.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
What are we doing here?
Speaker 5 (14:00):
So I don't know about you. I'm constantly going in
my hand saying what changed? First of all, what what
position Mams in the situation where he wasn't being used?
And then what light switch went on and said you
know what, we're gonna put all that stuff on the
back burner, and we're gonna find ways to get mams
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more involved.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
That I don't know the ad that's that's a question.
That found a way to use them. Okay, all right,
your most explosive athlete, you found a way to use them.
I'm golf clapping right now. You can't see it on
the radios, Like I was like, all right, well, at
least we're finding ways to get put the ball in
his hands, like, and it's something we should have been
doing from week one, but at least they're doing it now.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Well I'm glad that they are doing it.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
I hope they throw a couple more wrinkles into it,
because I can just tell you just watching the games,
you can see it coming and I don't know how
the Raiders didn't see it coming. Then in zoos formation,
he's the only receiver in the backfield and he happens
to be a receiver, and you have to think that
you want to make sure you identify these things pre snapped,
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you talk about them, and then you execute. So when
he gets outside the coverage, I'm thinking like, okay, well
this is going to be a house call. And you
saw based on his explosion what mans can do with
the ball in his hand. And this is why, once again,
you and I talked about this long time ago.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
It's like, why did it take so long? But I'm glad.
I'm glad they're actually exploding it right now.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
You know it was you know what I took out
of that Raiders game? You know what excites me out
of that?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
What excited you?
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Three of your top four receivers were first or second
year players. Two all three of your top rushers or
first or second year players, and your quarterbacks the first
year player.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Bronco's the third youngest team in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
There's a youth movement on offense, and it looks like
it's started to come together.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
That's what I took out.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Well, this is why I thought it was so fascinating,
and I'm glad that Broncos decided to do it this year.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Say, look, we're going to take.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
The massive hit on Russ's contract now, so when we get.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
To twenty twenty five, we got we're still gonna take
a hit. Well, we're gonna be better off than we
were before, and we got a bunch of rookie contracts
in a cost control we can.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Afford it, and then in twenty twenty six, Oh baby,
oh baby, spending spree is on. Yes, yes, we got money.
We got bags of it. If you want some, come
get some. Sean Payton's out here singing fetty wap talking about.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
How your bands goes matching lambas him and Bowe and
manson Lambos no no see, you know basically it's Moses
Treck queen because that any right, But you.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Know what I'm saying, it's it's George Peyton, Sean Payton
with long white nank coats on like t I right,
rubber band man. Right, that's where they are, rubber band man.
If you don't get that, that reference, hey, listen, sorry
for you. I get that reference.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
You know, the one refer you know, the one thing
I'm most angry at Nate Hackett about hit mattver Hackett.
He ruined my Nate dog and war room g for
George Peyton, he ruined my Nate Dog and war room
g things like.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Hey, all the things. That's what I mean. I always
angle with you like it's got to be set up
for you. Just see you get in there and you
make it about you.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
I look, that's the one thing I'm most mad about
is that I had to get rid of my Nate
Dog of War room g after just a couple of months.
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you're doing on this Broncos victory Monday.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Do you know what, guys, I think that not all
Victory Mondays are created equal because this one, this one
feels good. I'm feeling good today.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Did you uh, you know, did you have the did
you get a new broom for the sweep?
Speaker 7 (17:37):
You know what I was thinking about it. I didn't
pack my room for Vegas. Well, I didn't want to
missed opportunity.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
I'm just saying, you know, it's the first time that
the Broncos have gotten sweep on the Raider since twoy fourteen,
first ever win in Las Vegas. Broncos winned twenty nine
excuse me, twenty nine to nineteen.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
And you know this was a game.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
I was telling Nick, you know, of all the things
in this game, and you know you could talk about
the Raiders being shorthanded, the secondary and all this kind
of stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
The thing that stood out to me, they can jumped
out to me.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Three of the top four pass catchers for the Broncos
or his first or second year. The top three rushers
for the Broncos were first or second year players, the
quarterbacks the first year player. It was something that says, hey,
we got a youth movement here and it's working.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
Absolutely, And it really is. We're seeing Sean Payton's vision
come to fruition. Right last year it was like halfway there.
This year, it's really his guys, this is these are
his guys, this is who he wonts it and it's
really come into fruition and it's kind of the best
way to say it. But I think that what's been
interesting about that too is I think at the beginning
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of the season, like I'm insufferable on game damn, like
more devon more, devon bea I've been saying it all
season long. But realistically, you look at the way that
Sean has worked these guys in and he has paced
them in many ways. It's smart and a lot of
he's won, right, so they get used to the game,
the speed of the game. But also you think about
these guys are coming from twelve game seasons and now
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they're just kind of starting to hit their stride here.
This is perfect if you really feel like you can
make a push with these guys in the playoffs, They're
not going to be so overly exhausted if you had
really run them down early in the year. So, I mean,
I don't know if that plays into the way he
has kind of started to use them more late or not,
but either way, I think it benefits the Broncos and
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all the things. Maley Right, people have been and are
still upset about.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
Tim Patrick, but we all knew that Veley was.
Speaker 9 (19:29):
The eventual replacement.
Speaker 8 (19:30):
So to see him out there I think makes.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
Fans really excited as well, because you're like, oh, okay, okay,
s Tom. We do know s tome right is the
eventual replacement here here here. But what's kind of fun
is that you're seeing this team being built from the
ground up, and so where are they in you know,
two five years? Who knows, but we can say, you know,
we saw this the way it started, with the seeds
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kind of getting planted, and I think that's pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Well, Robbie, there have been some bowls porters and some
bow haters, and some of those bow haters have constantly
said that this quarterback is just checking the ball down.
He's not taking deep shots. Over the past two weeks,
we go back to the Atlanta game, you had to
seven guys with explosive plays for.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Guys this week.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
What do you make in that statement that Bow is
not an explosive play waiting to happen.
Speaker 7 (20:24):
Well, you know, it's funny because that was the whole
knock on Bow right at the combine, he wasn't making
the long throws. But in game situations it's been different.
He is. He's making those long throws. And what stands
out to me the most is especially on third down,
a lot of third and longs, and he's been making
big plays. And when you go through the games, you're
having thirteen some twenty four yard games coming on third downs,
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and it shows that Bow is not afraid, right. I mean,
we continue to talk about that he's ready for the moment,
but to be making those big throws on third down, third.
Speaker 8 (20:56):
And long, he gets out of a.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
Lot of third down situations by owns the ball downfield.
I mean, and I think that part has been really impressive.
And I think you know, Tyler Gorse, who works at
the Broncos put out of stat right most completions of
twenty plus yards this season and bo Nix has the
third most. So you know I quoted it with the.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
Capitalized and uncapitalized letters, right.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
But he can't make the long rows like I think
the narrative is just over now at this point that
if you actually turn on the tape and you watch
the ball, he's making big throws and he's making them,
you know, at really crucial times during drives.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Yeah, he is talking with romy Bean from CBS, romy
from the Broncos, who look like they're lining up to
have themselves a merry little Nix miss to the CU
Buffs who did not get it done against Kansas. Deon
Sanders remains one in six against ranked opponents over the
past two seasons.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Kansas probably the toughest.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Game then the Buffs had all year, and certainly got
it put to them.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
There.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Now, I know you're filling in for Mark Johnson right here.
I believe on Wednesday on Bus Prime Time, are you not?
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Oh? I sure am. You guys are double duty of
me with Prime. So I don't know. I don't know
if Prime note that yet, so he will find out
this week.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Well, pleasantly surprised. I'm sure, as we look at the Buffs, though,
they need help to be able to make the Big
Twelve Championship. Now you got to have a combination of
two losses I think from Iowa State by us on
a state something like that.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Is it disappointing? Now do we build ourselves up?
Speaker 4 (22:20):
At first it was, well, get over the absurdly low
sportsbook total on wins for the season. Then it was, hey,
we're all the path paying for the Big twelve Championship?
Are we now set up for disappointment that now they
don't control their destiny there?
Speaker 7 (22:32):
I think it's incredibly I think it can be both. Look,
I think it's when you look at it big picture,
is this season of success? I mean, yes, they doubled
their win total even if they don't beat Oklahoma State.
So like big picture, when you go back to again
two years ago when it was a one win team
and then Dion took it to four wins last year
and then here in your two of coach frid eight
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or nine wins in the season. Big picture, yet it
is a success, but at the same time incredibly disappointing
because Colorado did control their own desty and when you
went there and This is taking nothing away from Kansas
because they are a dangerous team and their record really
doesn't show how good they are. But you know, they
weren't doing anything exotic, right. They were just running the
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ball down their throats. They were beating the defense of
the line every single play.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
It was.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
The mistackles was insane. I mean, how many mistackles did
we did you count?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
There?
Speaker 7 (23:27):
So it was it wasn't like, oh they had that
they were I don't know, getting schooled here and there.
I mean they were just getting beat. And it's disappointing
because the defense has kind of been the unit that
you felt like you could rely on. You never really
had to worry about it. I know people are talking
about there's no run game and they're and look, that's
a problem, but there also hasn't been much of a
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run game all year. It was, you know, so that
the offense looked pretty similar to what it often does,
though the run game was even less.
Speaker 8 (23:55):
And they have to fix that for next year.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
But I think big picture, it's really disappo because Colorado
was in the driver's seat. Now, look the Big twelve
chaos they could get in, but you're depending on everybody
else and I think there was really high hopes for
seeing this team, and people were singing a little bit
ahead myself included about this potential of being in the
college football playoff for the first time ever, right if
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they win the Big Twelve.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
So I think maybe, yeah, we got a little ahead
of ourselves.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
But disappointing because it feels like they just they didn't
seize that opportunity. And it was something where again, right,
kids wasn't running all these trick plays. They just they
just played better. They played better at all phases, and
it's a really.
Speaker 9 (24:36):
Tough one to fall.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Well.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Going into the Kansas game, we knew that the Jayhawks
had two good corners and Kobe Bryant and Melo Johnson,
but at the same time, to offset that, you look
at the talented roster that the cu Buffs had as
far as a number of wide receivers, and Lejonte Western
five receptions and Wills Shepherd one reception, so five between them.
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When you watched the game, were you a little flabbergasset
at the creativity excuse me, the lack of creativity from
Pat Truman, because these wide receivers coming into this game,
they were really explosive, but the game plan didn't seem
to call for to the involvement of Western or Shepherd.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
Yeah, yeah, you know what, it felt like it almost
reverted back to I guess really when you look at
a lot of their losses where it just came down
to where it felt like it was our sha door
and Travis gonna pull.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
Off the upset.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
And that's kind of right that we were kept waiting
for the big play to happen. And that's one of
those things where it doesn't have to be as much
as we love the big play, everybody who doesn't love
the big forty fifty yard touchdown, it doesn't have to
be a big play every time. You know, you can
gain a lot from some screens right and have a
little motion in the background in the back, and you
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can throw a little screen and get really good chunk
yarded And we didn't see any of that. They haven't
seen that, you know a lot of the season as well.
But it's something that you know, I don't know philosophically
why that's never seems to necessarily be utilized, right. I
think that there obviously is the desire for the big play,
but you know, in games like that where you need it.
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You need a couple of screens, you need a couple
chunks plays, and there was just no sign of any
of that. It felt like there was one option, right,
it was two to twelve, and if we weren't going
to get that, we weren't going to get anything. And
Kansas came out on the better side.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
Laughs.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
We did get to see two go to twelve in
that one, and it was interesting that his odds at
the sportsbooks exploded actually after that, became the prohibitive favorite
for the Heisman in a game that the that the
cu Bus lost Chanty. They barely won, but they did win,
and Janty continued to put up big numbers.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
It feels like a two person race there for the Heisman.
Am I seeing that? Differently?
Speaker 4 (26:50):
I personally would have Diego Pavia there.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Third in the Heisman. I'm hinting at a Heisman voter
right now.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
They're Nick Ferguson, but I you know, I don't have
a vote, so I know I have to live vicariously
through voters like Ryan Edwards in Nick Ferguson.
Speaker 7 (27:04):
No, I mean, you know, it's crazy that we're kind
of talking about the two main guys and we're not really.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
Talking about quarnerbacks.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
When does that happen in the Heisman race, it's kind of.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
Absurd and in saying, but look, I think Travis Hunter
is the best player in college football on both sides
of the ball. And a few weeks ago you were saying, well,
he's not necessarily hit those ride receiver numbers, but he
is now right, he's hit and he's got you know,
over over a thousand yards. He's just so dynamic. The
thing is that Travis Hunter, he's your two best player
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on the field every given game. I think people were
waiting to see if he was really going to sustain
being able to play as many snaps as he does,
and he has, and he just continues to produce even
when you know, SeeU loses, he has an absolutely stellar,
stellar performance on both sides of the ball. For me,
regard you if the Heisman is given to the most
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outstanding player in college football, he's the most outstanding player
in college football in two positions really, and so it's
just honestly, it's been incredible to watch. Can't wait to
see what happens in the NFL. Like I'm very curious
to see how that all evolved and how a team
decides to utilize him. But he should in New York
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be the one standing with that trophy, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Now, Romie, I'm very curious to see how you answer
this question. Let's just say that you yourself had a
Heisman vote, what would be some of the most important
criteria that you use to evaluate some of these talented
young men who were seeking the most covetant trophy in
college football.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
I think that's a great question. You know, I think
you do have to factor in wins, right, But and
then I think you have to factor in when you
look at right you look at Gent's numbers, right, and
his ability to do that, even if it's in a
group of five, I don't care. Right, what he's doing
is absolutely incredible. They're way to impact a game. How
much better do they make a team? And when you
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look at Travis Hunter, to me.
Speaker 8 (29:02):
He makes Colorado exponentially better on both sides.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
Of the ball, right, And with Travis.
Speaker 9 (29:08):
I think that you do take into account how many
snaps he plays, because it's.
Speaker 7 (29:13):
It's crazy, But that's something that I think overall, you
have to look at their impact.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
You can look at obviously there's the traditional stats, right
the yards, the touchdowns, interceptions, pass breakups, whichever way that
you're going, But how does that player?
Speaker 7 (29:26):
What is that team with or without that player? And
I think if you look at both Colorado and Boise State,
I mean you maybe make a bigger argument for Boise
State that without gen that they are nowhere where they
are with him. But I think the same stands for
Travis Hunter. And we've seen when he has, you know,
been out of a game, it's you lose your best
corner and your best wide receiver. So I think it's
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a look at traditional staffs, but you almost have to
take that like thirty thousand foot view of how does.
Speaker 8 (29:55):
This How do they impact the entire team?
Speaker 7 (29:57):
How do they impact the entire game every time they're
in there? And to me, every time Travis is in
there is a massive impact on the game. His feel
for the game, the way the game just kind of
moves so slow for him, his ability to make plays.
You can get a look at all of that.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Well, Travis Hunter not the only one who's odds exploded
over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I guess we're all a little bo curious.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Is bo Nix, who was in the second place for
the offensive Rookie of the Year and gets closer and
closer to Jaydon Daniels. What do you think is more
likely to come away with the hardware? Bo Nicks or
Travis Hrr?
Speaker 7 (30:26):
You know, Oh oh ooo oooh, that's a good one.
I thought you were gonna say Bo or Jaydon Daniels. Gosh,
that's a real toughy because I mean, look for me,
Bow continues to get better each week. That is what's
been incredible. I think his progress from week one to
week twelve. If anybody tells you, oh yeah, I saw
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this coming there lying to you, nobody thought he would
have been this much progress.
Speaker 8 (30:50):
At this point.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
It's just it's pretty incredible to me. He continues to
get better. And the big thing that stands out to
me about Bo lets his and more his lack of turnovers.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
He doesn't take stack.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
I think, gosh, you mean a tough one here. I'm
gonna have to go with Travis for who I think
is more likely.
Speaker 8 (31:15):
Can I call it a tie.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
We'll let you off the hook on that one with
a tie, and uh, we appreciate you obviously spend some
time CBS is romy bean. Uh, I'll put you on
the spot next week. We'll see, but uh, I hope
you have a good Thanksgiving. We look forward to hearing
you doings brown time this year. Not that we don't
like Mark Johnson, but it'll be a refreshing change, and
maybe Mark can record some of those lines we've been
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waiting for, Grant. We've been we've been reading these lines
because we want Mark's aggressive style.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
But you know what, maybe we need a romy Bean
soundboard too.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
Grant, I'm gonna brusher is my best Mark for the show.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Gosh every time, that's that's my favorite. I love Mark Johnson,
but we do need we need a Roby Bean sound
We'll get on. We'll get to work that real soon.
Speaker 7 (32:02):
I have to say before you let me go, like
and I don't mean.
Speaker 8 (32:04):
This, it's not blasphemous at all, but I feel like
it's God had a voice.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
It would be Mark Johnson's voice.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
You know what. I'm not opposed to that. I'm not
play If the devil had a voice, it would be me.
So that that works out there, you go.
Speaker 9 (32:16):
It Koa, this is what we do.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Robbie. We appreciate the time.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
As always, you guys check her out on on CBS
it's it's my favorite sportscast.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Roby Bean. Look forward talking to you again next week.
Speaker 9 (32:27):
Guys are the best. Thank you for having me yep, Happy.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Thanksgiving, Robby Bean, CBS four appreciate that we got to
hit a break. When we come back, we're gonna start
digging into this Broncos Raiders thing, what it means, going
forward and peeking ahead. At the Cleveland Browns on Monday
Night football here in Denver, listen to Broncos Country Night
KOA
He's hit as he throws the ball is going to
be intercepted. That is Brandon Jones with the interception, and
said the forty, in said the thirty, and said the
twenty five inside.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
The twenty, there's the break.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
The Broncos needed. The defense of Denver with a huge
turnover for man pressure, Ridder has.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
The ball deflected. It is free bouncing around and recovered
by the Broncos. That ball knocked away by Nick Benito,
recovered by Malcolm Roach and Denver with their second huge
turnover of the game. They've got the football at the
Raiders seventeen yard line.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Somebody needs to get rider of him. I would have
thought that Daniel Jones would have gone to the Raiders,
but apparently he wants to sit. He's willing to sit,
wants to go to a successful culture, a playoff type
team this year in on a one year rental and
kind of soak up some winning culture.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
You know, I don't blame him. I'm not mad at
him for it.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
I think think about it from the standpoint, and I
give it. See you the term of basketball. Remember when
Lebron James was leaving Cleveland, he went to Miami and
he went down and learned the heat Way and learn
of the pat Riley. That kind of changed a lot
of the personality that Lebron James had. In my opinion,
he had to go to Miami to learn how to win.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
He didn't learn that in Cleveland. He knew how to
carry a team, but he didn't know how to win.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
And once again, even though a lot of these players,
you know, let's talk about quarterbacks drafted in the first round.
You've seen them with a lot of success on the
collegiate level, but once they get to the pros, they
don't really know how to win, especially they're going into
an organization who's drafting them hoping.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
That they would be that team saving well naked Johnson's
not like he went to Alabama.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
He went to Duke.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I mean, you said that, like that was that's supposed
to me saying he wasn't in contention for any national championship.
Well do exactly, Like he never got around that championship.
So you say, well, it's not like he you know,
I mean, but the Duke, And I was like, yeah,
it was a little different. Man, basketball plays for championships.
Duke football is you know, subsidize, subsidized by basketball.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Now I will say this, I mean when it comes
to like being fundamentally sound. He was part of the
fighting cutcliffs, David cut Cliffs, which Peyton Manning.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Knows very well and so does Eli.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
So from that standpoint, fundamentally he was there, but he
didn't really win a lot of things and at do
And then now you go to the Giants where there's
a heavy amount of criticism, Like New York media is
nothing like the Denver market, right, Like this market pretty
calm self kind of in.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Comparison to New York.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
So taking a guy who played a duke, putting me
in New York and then having to deal with that,
he doesn't know how to win and how to handle
all of those things. So wherever he goes, I'm hoping
that he latches on to a team that's going to
make the playoffs so he can learn.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
What that's like.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
My gut says Minnesota. We'll see how that shakes out.
Minnesota backup Sam Donald. He insurance policy. If you can
say he's no cost, He's got offsets in the contract,
so he's no cost.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
It'll be a minimum deal.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
You go to Minnesota be the backup for Sam Donald,
because the backup right now is Nick Mullins.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Men, and you get to learn under QB whisper of
An O'Connell.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Well, and you're the other keep you with sirt Brett
Rippin the thirst string quarterback. There he goes and check
pick up some we gotta go hashtag let it rip,
someone's gotta go.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
You got ripping, You got Nick Mullein. Well, Nick Mullins,
way to his credit, has ang around in the league.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
I was, I was around Nick Mullins in San Francisco.
Nick has found a great way to kind of stay around.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
To the league, and they had some great games in
San Francis. Funny enough, I'll tell you guys a story.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
The Broncos tried to trade for Nick Mullins with Gangarrella.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Gangarrella was here, and the reason that San Francisco would
not trade him.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Is because we would not give up Emmanuel Sanders to
do it. We ultimately cut Emmanual Sanader. He will ultimately
sent Emmanual Sanders to the forty nineers. Anyway, But yeah,
when the forty nine ers were here, it was in
fact that deal was considered close. When the forty nine
ers came here for joint practice.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
But this is why it's so important when you draft
the quarterback that you put them in every.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Position to succeed.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
And how many guys have we seen kind of be
labeled a bus or be in a position that Dave
Jones now find himself. We've seen several guys, several guys
and if you're gonna look, one of them's.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Leave the charge in Minnesota right now exactly came from
the other place in the New York market.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
And Sam Donald, just like a Baker Mayfield, was one
of those quarterbacks that everyone had pretty much tossed a
side like he was done, he was over, and he
just backing up.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
As a matter of fact, though Sam Donald got tossed
aside for Baker Mayfield at one point.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yes you sure did, Carolina, Yes, sure sure did. Everybody
forgets both those guys quarterback in Carolina. Well I'm speaking
of Carolina. How about Bryce Young against the Chiefs yesterday.
I mean, after sitting on the bench for a couple
of games, he looks like he might have figured it out.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Don't count someone out. This is what I love about sports,
is what I love about life. This is what I
love about competing, never giving up. I don't care what
life tosses at you, what people say you can't do.
If you believe in yourself, man keep serving forward.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Is Bryce Young the Rick Ashley of quarterbacks. No, never
gonna give you up, never gonna let you down. Always
always around, always around. You know, big news today, Broncos
wave Greg Dulcic. I would not be surprised to see
(05:16):
either Carolina or the New York Jets put in waiver
claims for Dulsice. Still the Jets have the number six claim,
the Panthers have the number eight claim.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I would not be surprised if he wound up with
one of those two teams. Carolina.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
I can see that based on what Dave Canillas is
trying to build.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
The just lost you, Tavian Sanders. You saw them hold
up with the next thing. Yeah, and here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Also, when you look at the Carolina Panthers offense, for me,
they didn't have enough offensive weapons to put around Bryce
shawng So, just like to Grant's credit, I'm glad he
spoke about Bryschong and I'm glad that he's having, you know,
some success and hopefully change the narrative bob him. But
even though I know Greg Doser's doesn't really have a
say in it.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I think it'll be.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Beneficial for him to go to Carolina opposed to going
to the New York Jets, where that team is just
going to be ripped apart in this offseason.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
He will know the offense obviously, because what Downing and
Hackett ran is what Hackett was running here in Denver
more or less h and at least in terms of tternology,
So he would know that he was drafted to be
an off the line.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Why for Nate Hackett, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I mean, he's not gonna have a choice, and it's waiverclaim,
so he doesn't have a choice. The Jets do have
the first of the priority the waiver claim by two slots.
Caroline of course has a Gerald Varrow was very familiar
with him. He was he was on the defensive side
when he was drafted there.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
So just yeah, Hackett and Downing both probably gone after exactly.
Jara Rodgers is going to be gone after this year.
The Jets are cleanhouse. What the funniest thing ever, I'm
just saying, well, but.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Here's what I think I mean, going down in Carolina
and looking at how knel Is in the offense when
Baker Mayfrow took over, how they were able to spread
the ball around.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
For me, that is a great place room.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
And if if Hackett really likes you know, Greg Dosage,
he wouldn't even make a sound to even pick him up,
because there's a possibility, there's a slight possibility if Dulsage
can be more consistent and the Canels can use him,
he could be like a Greg Osin, you know, for
that offense, for for Bryce.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Young, Yeah, I mean you know he was drafted to
be And somebody was asking me about that because a
Jets guy was asking me about that because they're like, well,
what if he can't make the Broncos tight end room,
then how is he gonna make ours?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
And I'm like, it's not about that, It's about the fit.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Like Greg Dulsuch was drafted to be an off the
line why and Sean Payton requires someone who can play
in line and block and Greg Dulsige is just not
that guy.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
No, he's not.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
And for me, I'm a firm believer, is that you
try to maximize the guy's ability. You never put him
in multiple situations and things that he can't do. Even
though at some point, based on the scheme, you may
require him to do certain things. But I've always felt this,
you know, Dulphinage, between the injuries, a couple of drops,
I just felt that he was never the same because
(07:55):
you could see his confidence started to fall off. And
as a player, while you're up and the falls off, man,
you're in trouble.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Do you feel like he got a fair shake with
Sean Payton. I feel like he had a couple couple
bad drops and then he was never given another chance.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
He had, he had opportunities, man, I mean, like I'm
gonna be honest with you. They were putting him out
there early. You know, they were putting him out there.
They gave him the chances. I mean, I thought he'd
be cut coming into the season, but they put him
back out there.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
They give him a chance to go through camp, get healthy,
do all this stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
In the first couple of games he was out there
getting targets and everything else, just didn't make any didn't
make didn't make any And that's part of the thing.
I mean, it's not like Sean Payton didn't give you
a chance to work your way out of the doghouse.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Look at Marlin Mimms.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Well, you know, I thought that this would have happened
long before now, like in the trade dadline, maybe something
would have happened if they would have released him after
they figured this figured out that maybe they could not
move him. But once you become a healthy scratch for
multiple games, you have to start thinking from that standpoint,
(08:54):
both you and your camp, that I may not be
here that long. Let's start looking at other opportunities in
the best places for me to end up.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Yeah, I agree, And for Dulstache, I think it's a
fresh start is probably the best thing for him at
this point, you know, I mean, you've been a healthy
scratch for what six weeks something like that here. I
mean it's you're at the point now where going somewhere
else and getting a fresh start is probably the best
thing for you. Have an opportunity with a clean slate,
with a team that wants you, that puts in a
waiver or claim to invest in you.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
And orc at it and work your way out of it.
You don't have to have the pressure of a I
hit those drops in West I gotta make up.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
For this, and then you start, you know, you clench,
you get the tight cheeks, you know, and then you
start overcompensating.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
It creates Quicksand you know, we talk about the movie.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
The replacements all the time, but there is some things
to take from that movie. Sometimes when when he gives it, uh,
you know, what are you scared of? And they started,
he says quicksand and oh, yeah, that's scary. But then
he talks about, you know, the psychology quicks.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
That's a real thing.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
That's a real thing that that that manifested yourself in
sports and honestly in real life all.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
The time, it does, and especially you know when you
play the game of football and you're in a position
that Dosage found himself in, you know, going into his
second year in this offense and haven't really been on
the field as much as most fans would have loved
because coming out of UCLA, Man, I was so happy
when the Broncos picked him up, and I was like,
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the expectations are off the chart for his kids, and
then he was having.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Injury after injury after injury.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
And I don't know if our listeners have ever been
in that situation. That's a tough spot to be in,
not physically but mentally. Because you said you said, well,
the moment you figure that you get healthy, something else,
And that was happening with Greg Dosage. The moment he
thought he was healthy, gets out on the field, there's
something else, and then that plays tricks on your mind
(10:38):
and then you say you okay.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Coming into the season, he.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Thought, finally, you know, I put all of that behind me,
the buggaboos and all of that, and then all of
a sudden he gets out there and he drops passes.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
And it because your mentality becomes now what instead of
I'm gonna go make a play, I gotta do this,
I gotta do that. You're sitting there thinking before you're out,
before you snap, you're thinking, now what now, what's gonna
happen happening this time? What do I And instead of
doing the thing you're supposed to do, read the guy
who inside it outside leverage. You know what you thought
process gets hijacked and derailed and you go down a
rabbit hole.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Yeah, because everything about you that was once automatic. All right,
I see a defender, I see he's off. I'm a
settle down. If I see him sitting short, I'm gonna
go vertical.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
All of that thought process is now gone.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Because the one thing that you're thinking about not making
a mistake, and if you've dropped balls as or tight
end a receiver, the first thing you think, okay, well
you know what number you are in the progression, and
you're praying to the skies, don't throw the ball to me.
And if you are thinking that, guess what You're already done. Yeah,
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it's a raft.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
The two one four text in my counter argument is
who was making plays in the first couple of games.
The offense was horrible and it was only defense, And
there's some truth to that. However, Greg Dulsit's dropped some
perfectly thrown balls to him. I mean it was multiple,
it was more than one, and and so that's I
think I think in that particular situation, I think that's
what it was, is that, you know, he kept not
making the play when the opportunity got to him. And
in this offense, if you're not the ex receiver, you're
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not gonna get that many opportunities.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
You've got to make the most of them, you know,
especially you know, as we have a ricky quarterback and
he's looking to see what guys gonna win their one
on one battles.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I go back really quickly to the.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Game, the game against the Jets where there were two opportunities.
One was a reception that you know Greg Doc's dropped.
Another when he had an opportunity on I think a
swing route or a screenpass to Marvin Mahams where or
Jelim mclough for one of those guys where he didn't
do a great job and the guy made a tackle.
And once again, when you're not blocking and you're not
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making catches and now holding them in guess what, Hey, man,
hey big come come highlight me, come stand up right here.
I want I want you to do a good job
of holding his clipboard and tell me what's going on.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, and you need to.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna take your input on that
as I'm outputting you out.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
This roster exactly. We know who has made the most
of their opportunities and gotten themselves back out of the doghouse.
As you mentioned a second ago, Marvin miss swings.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
It out, mimes wide open inside the forty thirty.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Five to thirty. There we go twenty five to twenty.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Fifteen, ten inside the five.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
First down, Denver forced out of bounds at the Raiders
four yard line by Isaiah Palamool Mims in the backfield
behind Nicks and the pistol set swung out and was
all by himself a gain of thirty seven yards.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
They found ways to work Marvin Mims into this offense finally,
which you know, to me there are easy ways they're
working in.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
There are easier ways they're working in.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
But why did you roll your eyes and look at
me when you said finally?
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Because this is something that's that they've been not doing
when they could have been doing it all along. We've
talked about this since what we two three? We're like, yeah,
what are we doing here? We got the most explosive
athlete and we're leaving.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Them on the sideline.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
This is the most explosive and it's not like he's
got a drops problem. This is the most explosive athlete
we got and he's sitting over there on the sideline.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
What are we doing here?
Speaker 5 (14:00):
So I don't know about you. I'm constantly going in
my hand saying what changed? First of all, what what
position Mams in the situation where he wasn't being used?
And then what light switch went on and said you
know what, we're gonna put all that stuff on the
back burner, and we're gonna find ways to get mams
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more involved.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
That I don't know the ad that's that's a question.
That found a way to use them. Okay, all right,
your most explosive athlete, you found a way to use them.
I'm golf clapping right now. You can't see it on
the radios, Like I was like, all right, well, at
least we're finding ways to get put the ball in
his hands, like, and it's something we should have been
doing from week one, but at least they're doing it now.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Well I'm glad that they are doing it.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
I hope they throw a couple more wrinkles into it,
because I can just tell you just watching the games,
you can see it coming and I don't know how
the Raiders didn't see it coming. Then in zoos formation,
he's the only receiver in the backfield and he happens
to be a receiver, and you have to think that
you want to make sure you identify these things pre snapped,
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you talk about them, and then you execute. So when
he gets outside the coverage, I'm thinking like, okay, well
this is going to be a house call. And you
saw based on his explosion what mans can do with
the ball in his hand. And this is why, once again,
you and I talked about this long time ago.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
It's like, why did it take so long? But I'm glad.
I'm glad they're actually exploding it right now.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
You know it was you know what I took out
of that Raiders game? You know what excites me out
of that?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
What excited you?
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Three of your top four receivers were first or second
year players. Two all three of your top rushers or
first or second year players, and your quarterbacks the first
year player.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Bronco's the third youngest team in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
There's a youth movement on offense, and it looks like
it's started to come together.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
That's what I took out.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Well, this is why I thought it was so fascinating,
and I'm glad that Broncos decided to do it this year.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Say, look, we're going to take.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
The massive hit on Russ's contract now, so when we get.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
To twenty twenty five, we got we're still gonna take
a hit. Well, we're gonna be better off than we
were before, and we got a bunch of rookie contracts
in a cost control we can.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Afford it, and then in twenty twenty six, Oh baby,
oh baby, spending spree is on. Yes, yes, we got money.
We got bags of it. If you want some, come
get some. Sean Payton's out here singing fetty wap talking about.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
How your bands goes matching lambas him and Bowe and
manson Lambos no no see, you know basically it's Moses
Treck queen because that any right, But you.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Know what I'm saying, it's it's George Peyton, Sean Payton
with long white nank coats on like t I right,
rubber band man. Right, that's where they are, rubber band man.
If you don't get that, that reference, hey, listen, sorry
for you. I get that reference.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
You know, the one refer you know, the one thing
I'm most angry at Nate Hackett about hit mattver Hackett.
He ruined my Nate dog and war room g for
George Peyton, he ruined my Nate Dog and war room
g things like.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Hey, all the things. That's what I mean. I always
angle with you like it's got to be set up
for you. Just see you get in there and you
make it about you.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
I look, that's the one thing I'm most mad about
is that I had to get rid of my Nate
Dog of War room g after just a couple of months.
Broncos Country to Night, romy Beans up next, bring on
our good friend from CBS, romy Bean. Ro me how
you're doing on this Broncos victory Monday.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Do you know what, guys, I think that not all
Victory Mondays are created equal because this one, this one
feels good. I'm feeling good today.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Did you uh, you know, did you have the did
you get a new broom for the sweep?
Speaker 7 (17:37):
You know what I was thinking about it. I didn't
pack my room for Vegas. Well, I didn't want to
missed opportunity.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
I'm just saying, you know, it's the first time that
the Broncos have gotten sweep on the Raider since twoy fourteen,
first ever win in Las Vegas. Broncos winned twenty nine
excuse me, twenty nine to nineteen.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
And you know this was a game.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
I was telling Nick, you know, of all the things
in this game, and you know you could talk about
the Raiders being shorthanded, the secondary and all this kind
of stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
The thing that stood out to me, they can jumped
out to me.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Three of the top four pass catchers for the Broncos
or his first or second year. The top three rushers
for the Broncos were first or second year players, the
quarterbacks the first year player. It was something that says, hey,
we got a youth movement here and it's working.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
Absolutely, And it really is. We're seeing Sean Payton's vision
come to fruition. Right last year it was like halfway there.
This year, it's really his guys, this is these are
his guys, this is who he wonts it and it's
really come into fruition and it's kind of the best
way to say it. But I think that what's been
interesting about that too is I think at the beginning
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of the season, like I'm insufferable on game damn, like
more devon more, devon bea I've been saying it all
season long. But realistically, you look at the way that
Sean has worked these guys in and he has paced
them in many ways. It's smart and a lot of
he's won, right, so they get used to the game,
the speed of the game. But also you think about
these guys are coming from twelve game seasons and now
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they're just kind of starting to hit their stride here.
This is perfect if you really feel like you can
make a push with these guys in the playoffs, They're
not going to be so overly exhausted if you had
really run them down early in the year. So, I mean,
I don't know if that plays into the way he
has kind of started to use them more late or not,
but either way, I think it benefits the Broncos and
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all the things. Maley Right, people have been and are
still upset about.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
Tim Patrick, but we all knew that Veley was.
Speaker 9 (19:29):
The eventual replacement.
Speaker 8 (19:30):
So to see him out there I think makes.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
Fans really excited as well, because you're like, oh, okay, okay,
s Tom. We do know s tome right is the
eventual replacement here here here. But what's kind of fun
is that you're seeing this team being built from the
ground up, and so where are they in you know,
two five years? Who knows, but we can say, you know,
we saw this the way it started, with the seeds
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kind of getting planted, and I think that's pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Well, Robbie, there have been some bowls porters and some
bow haters, and some of those bow haters have constantly
said that this quarterback is just checking the ball down.
He's not taking deep shots. Over the past two weeks,
we go back to the Atlanta game, you had to
seven guys with explosive plays for.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Guys this week.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
What do you make in that statement that Bow is
not an explosive play waiting to happen.
Speaker 7 (20:24):
Well, you know, it's funny because that was the whole
knock on Bow right at the combine, he wasn't making
the long throws. But in game situations it's been different.
He is. He's making those long throws. And what stands
out to me the most is especially on third down,
a lot of third and longs, and he's been making
big plays. And when you go through the games, you're
having thirteen some twenty four yard games coming on third downs,
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and it shows that Bow is not afraid, right. I mean,
we continue to talk about that he's ready for the moment,
but to be making those big throws on third down, third.
Speaker 8 (20:56):
And long, he gets out of a.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
Lot of third down situations by owns the ball downfield.
I mean, and I think that part has been really impressive.
And I think you know, Tyler Gorse, who works at
the Broncos put out of stat right most completions of
twenty plus yards this season and bo Nix has the
third most. So you know I quoted it with the.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
Capitalized and uncapitalized letters, right.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
But he can't make the long rows like I think
the narrative is just over now at this point that
if you actually turn on the tape and you watch
the ball, he's making big throws and he's making them,
you know, at really crucial times during drives.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Yeah, he is talking with romy Bean from CBS, romy
from the Broncos, who look like they're lining up to
have themselves a merry little Nix miss to the CU
Buffs who did not get it done against Kansas. Deon
Sanders remains one in six against ranked opponents over the
past two seasons.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Kansas probably the toughest.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Game then the Buffs had all year, and certainly got
it put to them.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
There.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Now, I know you're filling in for Mark Johnson right here.
I believe on Wednesday on Bus Prime Time, are you not?
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Oh? I sure am. You guys are double duty of
me with Prime. So I don't know. I don't know
if Prime note that yet, so he will find out
this week.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Well, pleasantly surprised. I'm sure, as we look at the Buffs, though,
they need help to be able to make the Big
Twelve Championship. Now you got to have a combination of
two losses I think from Iowa State by us on
a state something like that.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Is it disappointing? Now do we build ourselves up?
Speaker 4 (22:20):
At first it was, well, get over the absurdly low
sportsbook total on wins for the season. Then it was, hey,
we're all the path paying for the Big twelve Championship?
Are we now set up for disappointment that now they
don't control their destiny there?
Speaker 7 (22:32):
I think it's incredibly I think it can be both. Look,
I think it's when you look at it big picture,
is this season of success? I mean, yes, they doubled
their win total even if they don't beat Oklahoma State.
So like big picture, when you go back to again
two years ago when it was a one win team
and then Dion took it to four wins last year
and then here in your two of coach frid eight
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or nine wins in the season. Big picture, yet it
is a success, but at the same time incredibly disappointing
because Colorado did control their own desty and when you
went there and This is taking nothing away from Kansas
because they are a dangerous team and their record really
doesn't show how good they are. But you know, they
weren't doing anything exotic, right. They were just running the
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ball down their throats. They were beating the defense of
the line every single play.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
It was.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
The mistackles was insane. I mean, how many mistackles did
we did you count?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
There?
Speaker 7 (23:27):
So it was it wasn't like, oh they had that
they were I don't know, getting schooled here and there.
I mean they were just getting beat. And it's disappointing
because the defense has kind of been the unit that
you felt like you could rely on. You never really
had to worry about it. I know people are talking
about there's no run game and they're and look, that's
a problem, but there also hasn't been much of a
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run game all year. It was, you know, so that
the offense looked pretty similar to what it often does,
though the run game was even less.
Speaker 8 (23:55):
And they have to fix that for next year.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
But I think big picture, it's really disappo because Colorado
was in the driver's seat. Now, look the Big twelve
chaos they could get in, but you're depending on everybody
else and I think there was really high hopes for
seeing this team, and people were singing a little bit
ahead myself included about this potential of being in the
college football playoff for the first time ever, right if
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they win the Big Twelve.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
So I think maybe, yeah, we got a little ahead
of ourselves.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
But disappointing because it feels like they just they didn't
seize that opportunity. And it was something where again, right,
kids wasn't running all these trick plays. They just they
just played better. They played better at all phases, and
it's a really.
Speaker 9 (24:36):
Tough one to fall.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Well.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Going into the Kansas game, we knew that the Jayhawks
had two good corners and Kobe Bryant and Melo Johnson,
but at the same time, to offset that, you look
at the talented roster that the cu Buffs had as
far as a number of wide receivers, and Lejonte Western
five receptions and Wills Shepherd one reception, so five between them.
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When you watched the game, were you a little flabbergasset
at the creativity excuse me, the lack of creativity from
Pat Truman, because these wide receivers coming into this game,
they were really explosive, but the game plan didn't seem
to call for to the involvement of Western or Shepherd.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
Yeah, yeah, you know what, it felt like it almost
reverted back to I guess really when you look at
a lot of their losses where it just came down
to where it felt like it was our sha door
and Travis gonna pull.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
Off the upset.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
And that's kind of right that we were kept waiting
for the big play to happen. And that's one of
those things where it doesn't have to be as much
as we love the big play, everybody who doesn't love
the big forty fifty yard touchdown, it doesn't have to
be a big play every time. You know, you can
gain a lot from some screens right and have a
little motion in the background in the back, and you
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can throw a little screen and get really good chunk
yarded And we didn't see any of that. They haven't
seen that, you know a lot of the season as well.
But it's something that you know, I don't know philosophically
why that's never seems to necessarily be utilized, right. I
think that there obviously is the desire for the big play,
but you know, in games like that where you need it.
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You need a couple of screens, you need a couple
chunks plays, and there was just no sign of any
of that. It felt like there was one option, right,
it was two to twelve, and if we weren't going
to get that, we weren't going to get anything. And
Kansas came out on the better side.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
Laughs.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
We did get to see two go to twelve in
that one, and it was interesting that his odds at
the sportsbooks exploded actually after that, became the prohibitive favorite
for the Heisman in a game that the that the
cu Bus lost Chanty. They barely won, but they did win,
and Janty continued to put up big numbers.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
It feels like a two person race there for the Heisman.
Am I seeing that? Differently?
Speaker 4 (26:50):
I personally would have Diego Pavia there.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Third in the Heisman. I'm hinting at a Heisman voter
right now.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
They're Nick Ferguson, but I you know, I don't have
a vote, so I know I have to live vicariously
through voters like Ryan Edwards in Nick Ferguson.
Speaker 7 (27:04):
No, I mean, you know, it's crazy that we're kind
of talking about the two main guys and we're not really.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
Talking about quarnerbacks.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
When does that happen in the Heisman race, it's kind of.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
Absurd and in saying, but look, I think Travis Hunter
is the best player in college football on both sides
of the ball. And a few weeks ago you were saying, well,
he's not necessarily hit those ride receiver numbers, but he
is now right, he's hit and he's got you know,
over over a thousand yards. He's just so dynamic. The
thing is that Travis Hunter, he's your two best player
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on the field every given game. I think people were
waiting to see if he was really going to sustain
being able to play as many snaps as he does,
and he has, and he just continues to produce even
when you know, SeeU loses, he has an absolutely stellar,
stellar performance on both sides of the ball. For me,
regard you if the Heisman is given to the most
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outstanding player in college football, he's the most outstanding player
in college football in two positions really, and so it's
just honestly, it's been incredible to watch. Can't wait to
see what happens in the NFL. Like I'm very curious
to see how that all evolved and how a team
decides to utilize him. But he should in New York
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be the one standing with that trophy, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Now, Romie, I'm very curious to see how you answer
this question. Let's just say that you yourself had a
Heisman vote, what would be some of the most important
criteria that you use to evaluate some of these talented
young men who were seeking the most covetant trophy in
college football.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
I think that's a great question. You know, I think
you do have to factor in wins, right, But and
then I think you have to factor in when you
look at right you look at Gent's numbers, right, and
his ability to do that, even if it's in a
group of five, I don't care. Right, what he's doing
is absolutely incredible. They're way to impact a game. How
much better do they make a team? And when you
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look at Travis Hunter, to me.
Speaker 8 (29:02):
He makes Colorado exponentially better on both sides.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
Of the ball, right, And with Travis.
Speaker 9 (29:08):
I think that you do take into account how many
snaps he plays, because it's.
Speaker 7 (29:13):
It's crazy, But that's something that I think overall, you
have to look at their impact.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
You can look at obviously there's the traditional stats, right
the yards, the touchdowns, interceptions, pass breakups, whichever way that
you're going, But how does that player?
Speaker 7 (29:26):
What is that team with or without that player? And
I think if you look at both Colorado and Boise State,
I mean you maybe make a bigger argument for Boise
State that without gen that they are nowhere where they
are with him. But I think the same stands for
Travis Hunter. And we've seen when he has, you know,
been out of a game, it's you lose your best
corner and your best wide receiver. So I think it's
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a look at traditional staffs, but you almost have to
take that like thirty thousand foot view of how does.
Speaker 8 (29:55):
This How do they impact the entire team?
Speaker 7 (29:57):
How do they impact the entire game every time they're
in there? And to me, every time Travis is in
there is a massive impact on the game. His feel
for the game, the way the game just kind of
moves so slow for him, his ability to make plays.
You can get a look at all of that.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Well, Travis Hunter not the only one who's odds exploded
over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I guess we're all a little bo curious.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Is bo Nix, who was in the second place for
the offensive Rookie of the Year and gets closer and
closer to Jaydon Daniels. What do you think is more
likely to come away with the hardware? Bo Nicks or
Travis Hrr?
Speaker 7 (30:26):
You know, Oh oh ooo oooh, that's a good one.
I thought you were gonna say Bo or Jaydon Daniels. Gosh,
that's a real toughy because I mean, look for me,
Bow continues to get better each week. That is what's
been incredible. I think his progress from week one to
week twelve. If anybody tells you, oh yeah, I saw
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this coming there lying to you, nobody thought he would
have been this much progress.
Speaker 8 (30:50):
At this point.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
It's just it's pretty incredible to me. He continues to
get better. And the big thing that stands out to
me about Bo lets his and more his lack of turnovers.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
He doesn't take stack.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
I think, gosh, you mean a tough one here. I'm
gonna have to go with Travis for who I think
is more likely.
Speaker 8 (31:15):
Can I call it a tie.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
We'll let you off the hook on that one with
a tie, and uh, we appreciate you obviously spend some
time CBS is romy bean. Uh, I'll put you on
the spot next week. We'll see, but uh, I hope
you have a good Thanksgiving. We look forward to hearing
you doings brown time this year. Not that we don't
like Mark Johnson, but it'll be a refreshing change, and
maybe Mark can record some of those lines we've been
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waiting for, Grant. We've been we've been reading these lines
because we want Mark's aggressive style.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
But you know what, maybe we need a romy Bean
soundboard too.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
Grant, I'm gonna brusher is my best Mark for the show.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Gosh every time, that's that's my favorite. I love Mark Johnson,
but we do need we need a Roby Bean sound
We'll get on. We'll get to work that real soon.
Speaker 7 (32:02):
I have to say before you let me go, like
and I don't mean.
Speaker 8 (32:04):
This, it's not blasphemous at all, but I feel like
it's God had a voice.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
It would be Mark Johnson's voice.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
You know what. I'm not opposed to that. I'm not
play If the devil had a voice, it would be me.
So that that works out there, you go.
Speaker 9 (32:16):
It Koa, this is what we do.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Robbie. We appreciate the time.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
As always, you guys check her out on on CBS
it's it's my favorite sportscast.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Roby Bean. Look forward talking to you again next week.
Speaker 9 (32:27):
Guys are the best. Thank you for having me yep, Happy.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Thanksgiving, Robby Bean, CBS four appreciate that we got to
hit a break. When we come back, we're gonna start
digging into this Broncos Raiders thing, what it means, going
forward and peeking ahead. At the Cleveland Browns on Monday
Night football here in Denver, listen to Broncos Country Night
KOA
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