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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
As we looked at this, we talked about a lot
of positives.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Out of this and Broncos coming away with a ten
point when they get up the monkey off their back,
finally win and't win. In Vegas they swept the Raiders
for the first time since twenty fourteen. I want to
get into some improvement things as well here, and we
talked about it and touched on it a little bit,
but the end of game clock management from Sean Payton
was a little suspect to me. You got the ball back,
you had a one touchdown lead, and you threw three
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straight incomplete passes with three minutes thirty seconds left, you
got to run the football at least once and either
force the Raiders to burn a time out or take
forty and so off that clock.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
They got bailed out by the fact that.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Nick Binneil's strip sacked Desmond Ritter, you know, coming back
on the other side and got the ball back. We
were able to get it out to a two score
lead and ultimately win it. But you know, the Raiders,
we saw how they were able to get the ball
down a field. They got down to the one yard line.
As a matter of fact, you know, right there at
the end of the game, it could have been disaster
for the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
You came out there with a one score league. One
of those downs you.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Have to run and it's got to be first or
second down, because you were third and ten, right, so
it's got to be first or second down.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I don't understand why we didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I don't stand why we threw three straight passes, even
if the Raiders were shutting the run down.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
The enemy at that point is the clock. You've got
the lead, the enemy is the clock. Yeah, the enemy
is the clock.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
But once again, hindsight being twenty twenty, you look back
on the situation, you say, Okay, well, hey, listen, we
should have done this, we could have done this, but
here's what we did.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Luckily that it didn't cost the team.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Victory on the road that they definitely needed to sweep
the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
But the only thing I could think of, and you
mentioned one of those things.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
The fact that you and our running the ball well,
and analytics would tell you, okay, with time being, you know,
at the essence for the Raiders, you want to make
sure you run the ball, you force them to kill
some timeouts and miok some hot off even if you
only gain like two yards, you can just kind of
stretch things out. But there's a part of me, and
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once again I'm not sure that I have the right mindset,
because I don't know what coach Sean Payton was.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Thinking in this case.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
But for me, I was looking at it from the
standpoint of, Okay, well, the passing game has been on
point all day long. Whatever you wanted to get in
the second half, you were able to get, whether it.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Was to uh Marvin Mims on those those.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Kind of little swing routes.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
So I understand that I understand that.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Okay, we throw on first down, fine, but when that's incomplete,
you have to make you know you can't run on
third down in that situation.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
You know that you've got to sew you run on
second down.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Yeah, it seems that way. I mean every everything about
football and football ideology, and it's just say, if it
was a football encyclopedia, it would tell you you do
that in that particular situation. But once again, we have
no idea of knowing what Sean Payton mistaking in that
particular moment. Maybe he thought, once again, we would have
a success offensively throwing the ball, and if we get
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them in the right defensive look, this is where we
would take advantage of it. But unfortunately they were not
able to make connections with the receivers which prompted them
to point. So we can always look back at it
and say, okay, well we should have done this, could
have done this when things probably worked out the way
that they did for the Broncos luckily, luckily. And here's
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here's another thing.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Sean said, the worst case scenario if things don't work
out for us, as far as these passes are conserved,
we know Desmond Ritters there is in a game as
a backup quarterback.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
He's coming in Cole.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
We know we had one of the top defenses in
the league, and the Broncos consistently in the game, even
when Minshew was in the game, they were able to
generate some level of pressure. So these could have been
the things that impact that his frame of thinking.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I mean, I hear all that, but at the other day,
to me, it's simple process. It doesn't matter who's over there,
doesn't matter the ball, it's it's I mean, look, we
can call it Katie Perry. It doesn't matter if they're
hot or their cold. I'm what I'm saying is when
you've got three minutes and thirty seconds left in a game,
your objective is to get the clock to zero.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
You've got the lead and the ball.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
And here's the funny part about this is I'm always
telling people where that works in Madden, you can't do
that in real life.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I can tell the I can tell the coaches.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
That never played Madden, because people who have the best
endgame played Matt have seen that situation play out over
and played thousands of games and understand you've got to
get that clock.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Your goal now is to get the clock to zero.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
And I'm not saying you need to turtle up and
run three times, but you have to run once. You
have to take more than more than ten seconds off
the clock.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
See I can see right now if coach Payton just
what happens to be driving in his car leaving the
Broncos Micropodeo, getting home talking about playing Madden.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I don't play video games. I played the real game,
but I coach all Sunday. But the clock theory is
the same for both. It's the one area that translates,
the one thing that translates from from Madden to the
real is that clock management and game clock manage and
of half clock management does translate.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Okay, but well, once again, I get what you're saying.
I understand why you were saying it, Ben, but I'm thinking, like, okay,
when we watch any game, not just the Broncos. We
can watch every game when we see or what's perceived
to be poor clock management and go, okay, well, if
it did not go well, here's our critique of that
coach not making this particular decision.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
But if it somehow goes well, it's just like.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
What I would have still said, what, I really need to.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Talk about it, because yeah, they took a shot and
luckily it didn't cause them because that they have a
Helifi defense.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Well, I would have gone the other way. I was said.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Okay, the result ended up working out, but the process
was bad. Process here they dropped that ball.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Okay, well, which.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Did But how many times did that? We've seen that happen.
The something may be great in theory, but the practicality
part of being able to work it.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Out, it doesn't work out. I'm saying. But I'm saying that.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
What you're telling me is great in theory, but you
know he's coming in colds. We're gonna take these shots.
But that's not the way you should do it. The
math says, run the ball. You've got three minutes and
thirty seconds left. What you run on second down and
that clock is down there to two fifty.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Well, here is what coach Payton is saying right now
on a victory Mondy, guess what pipping the mad day math?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
And well he's got on the game because got a
strip sack.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
And once again, these are some of the things that
influence coaches' decision.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
When you know that you have a defense that can
turn the ball over that we saw and you.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Get the strategy.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I'm not up he First of all, it's not enough
to know that you have both Jonathan Cooper and you
have banking on a strip sack.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
No. No, you're not baking on a strip sack.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
You're baking on the fact that, hey, listen, we're gonna
play to our defense if we're not even to pick
up the first down. Here's what we know what our
defense can actually do. And I'm sure you can throw
analytics into it if you want to say, okay, well
here here, here's You have a guy in Desmond Ritter
who historically hasn't had a lot of success in his
time in the league. He comes in and a pivot
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moment in the game where the Raiders need to move
the ball down the field efficiently and very quickly.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
What were the.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Odds that he was going he was going to be
able to do that versus that defense. I would like
to say, not even having an analytical numbers in front
of me, that those numbers favor the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Well, you didn't know, this is the other part of this.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
You didn't know that Ridder was coming in because Minshew
came out for the first play. That was when he
got He got sacked on the very first play after
that punt. So we didn't even know Ritter was coming
into the game yet, Like we didn't know that was
a thing it was going to be, Gardner Minshew. He
got sacked by Barton and Cooper for that five yard loss.
That's what at the colarbone, right, and then Ridder you know,
then Riddle was in it was but that.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Was the thing.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
You didn't know that, so you did Gardner Minshew, who
has a history of creating league game mas, how's a
history of creating drives like that?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
But you took.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Fifteen seconds off the clock. You get the ball back
with what was it? I hold on, I'm trying about
with the exact time? Was they get the three thirty eight?
You get the ball back with three thirty eight? You
took fifteen seconds off the clock.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Hey, listen, man, could the offensive passing play calling.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Ben by better and the execution in better?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Absolutely, But there's a part of me that still thinks
that knowing how the Broncos defense was playing an entire game,
I know they you know this.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Thirteen points for the Raiders in the second quarter.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
But based on how the Broncos defense was playing, the
idea is say, okay, well if we if we complete this,
it's great.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
If we don't, we're still in the.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Game because we're gon we're gonna play, We're gonna lean.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
On our defense, We're gonna put the press on our
defense to come through as they had done all season.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
All fine with the belief in my defense, but I'm
trying to give them every advantage. If I get the
ball back with three thirty eight, sure, I'm trying to
pass on first down. Absolutely, I'm trying to catch them
nap and they're expecting me to run it here. But
then on second and third you're either burning two timeouts
at three thirty hold on three thirty eight was what uh?
They got the ball back, so three thirty three after
the first.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
One, what the ready to do it? Or we're taking
eighty seconds off the clock.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Well, as a guy who as you're getting to the
two minute warning if they don't burn timeouts, I get
a pun But as a guy who you know likes
to be really risky, up, yes, yes, I'm risk averse.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I don't know what you're talking about the way, bro.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
As a guy that we were afraid of the guy
who wants to run the ball sixty six times a
game when he's playing video games, because.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
The guy who has no issue with rolling the dice. Right, No,
not when it comes down to that. This is one
of the look but you were already up on Paid's rolling.
I'm not, but they were up though.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
You're up a score. Yes, with the game.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Take the game down to the two minute warning. Punt
with punp give them what their time out Either they're
burning boll timeouts and they're getting the ball back with
whatever they got it back with anyway three three twenty eight,
or they they don't burn their timeouts. You took it
down to the two minute warning. They've got the two
minute warning and that's it. Well, hey, hey, the bronc
is playing in Vegas. Say coach fell a little confident
(10:03):
on the tables. Same, he's gonna roll the dom Man
because he knew he had show he had an ace
in the hole.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
And it's called Bess Joseph and the Broncos defense.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Why would you get your defense every advantage though burning
burning the time the clock down again, Like.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
This is a big This is a big one for me.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
It's a big buggaboo for me because I'm like, the
result here is you won, but you can't use that.
You can't justify the process with the results.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
But this, but this is one of those things with
any coach, I believe on any level that you could say, well,
is it overconfidence in their defense that allows them to
make these kind of snap judgments. I'm gonna say yes,
because when you know that you have a defense that's
been playing well, do you do you lean on them
too much?
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Do you put a lot of pressure on them, Yes,
because you've seen them actually come through.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
But see, I take it the other way.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I'm saying, I'm I'm investing in my defense here, I'm
gonna utilize like I'm gonna take the clock off or
take their timeouse, which which everyone they choose, it's up
to them, And then I'll.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Put it back in my defense's hand.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I gave you guys a one score lead, but it's
under two minute warning at this point. By the time
they put it would have been under the two minue
warning or they would have burned two timeounts.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
And and so like I'm.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Giving it back to you, I'm giving it back to
my defense, which has been stellar all year in the
best possible situation.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
But this is why having a great defense allows you
to gamble. It takes, I know, to take certain risks.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
You understand the process, Yes, I just don't agree with It's.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
It's not playing like.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
A coach's job is to give your team the best
margin to win, and that is not the best margin
to win. Well, you know we're not going up to
the table and putting it all on sixteen.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Well in this case the ten. In this case the
number was different. Yeah, in this.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Case ten and coming to stake guys like, I'm not
like that.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I just don't understand that as a process.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
That's bad process.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Well, listen, every process is imperfect, it's not. But same time,
you just hope and pray that things work out the
way that you want them to.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
But see, I'm not hoping and praying. I'm giving them
the best possible position. I'm running the clock. I'm just
taking away their time out. Kid.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
This this is where the difference lies between Madden Football.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
But this all but the principle applies you the way.
It's the one thing that translates that clock management, burning
it down and then having your great defense with them
with maybe one time either one time out and the
two minute warning or you're under two.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Minutes with all three time. In any situation you.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Do there, you're putting your defense in the best possible
situation to succeed.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Hey, you know Sean Pagne to say, look, man, oh,
by the way, in that scenario, the best they can
do is tie you. Hey, sempay gamble right, And it
didn't work out for Wait, it didn't make difference. It's
still worked out for it didn't felt the Broncos actually
won the game for you.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
It's isolated incident, a situation.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Where you know, we're not the only time they've done Okay, well,
they could have been more effective in that particular moment, right,
I would agree, But he's rolled the dice.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
It worked. He bet on black, and black came through
for him.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
He bet he bet on white, he bet on white
number ten and uh, and it didn't come through for him,
and then came through there. He bet on black, came through,
he bet on he bet on white ten and it
didn't work and then black five came through.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Brocos win either way, right, that's what that's what we're
talking about, right.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
It is victory, mind you, man, it is to spend
one thing I spent as only spent one segment on
the stuff that could have improved and really really focused
on one of the things. But like I said, well,
I want to celebrate the victory, but I also want
to do one segment one.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Who know, I can tell when you watch games that
are played on any level, as you are watching it,
critiquing the routes being run, the defense that is trying
to uh create havoc on the quarterback, we see reason
how they catch the ball where they get both feet in.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I strongly believe that.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
You watch and you wait for a moment in the
game in the fourth quarter, two minutes left thirty, someone's
gonna have some what is perceived to be poor decision
when it comes.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
To unperceived it was a going on and on on
any any number of bad end game decision making from
coaches like this is the one thing. Like you got
analytics guys, You've got guys up there telling you to
challenge what or not you should have a clock management
guy telling you, hey, you know what we need to
run in this scenario. We need to run our first
or second down. You want to throw it on first, fine,
but we need we need to burn this amount of clock.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
I got it, I got it, I got this those
ty people to do, I got it.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Thank you, okay. And most of the time you're gonna
wind up losing. You got lucky. Well, sometimes take it.
We're lucky than good, right, that's right. Sometimes it's better
to be lucky. But I don't want I don't want
that luck to run out of the playoffs. I don't
want Sean Payton to get us to the playoffs and then.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Be doing bad clocks in game clock managing.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I'm sure coach would watch that the game film from
the last three or four minutes in the game and
just say, okay, well, what could we have done a
lot better? There was one and that that's gonna be
one of those things. There was one path possible.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
There was one path to allowing the Raiders to take
that game from you, and they did it. There was
you got to think for both sides of the coin.
You talk about we're gonna get firstwme, we're gonna aggressive.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Put you know that kind of thing. Okay, but I'm thinking.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
About it from the other side of the coin. Is
there any scenario where the Raiders can take the game
from me? Yes, you throw three incompletions, give the ball
back to them with the full compliment of timeouts and
enough time to get down there in four down territory
where they have four chances to get a first down
instead of three.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Desma Rider was yet, that's the thing you punped it.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
You didn't know if the pot the injury to miss
You happened after that point.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Even with that being said, right, ridder is not factor
in Even when miss You playing in the game, the
Raiders offense still was having moments where they were struggling great.
So once again, these are some of the things could
have played a role in the decision.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Let me let me let me put this simple in
the simplest terms possible before we get out of this segment,
because I don't want to stay here.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Be wet blanket, all right, all right, I don't. I
want to do one segment on that, and that was it.
I'm not doing any more negative segments for the rest
of the week. Yes, sure, I'm not sure you have
my solar. What it is Monday? It's Thanksgiving? What does
that mean? We're giving thanks this week. We're giving thanks
for the victory. We're not sitting here bien on in
the loss. Well, I'm gonna hold you to that, just saying.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
But I do want to I did want to focus
on this one thing because it applies not just to
the brawn, because there were many endgame management that were teport.
Let me put this choice in the in the simplest
terms possible. Would you you love your defense, you love
the fact that their offense hasn't been playing good? Would
you rather give the ball back to your opponents with
three thirty two remaining and three timeouts? Or would you
rather give it back to them at the two minute
warning with three timeouts?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Well, obviously, I mean you would like to give them
back to the two minutes. There you go, yes, But
I mean these don't always work out as perfectly as
you die.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Because if you run, you run the ball two times.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
We're gonna back a about this one through the break
Broncos Country tonight back with a six pack after this
wet blanket.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
All right, guess what Pip? The Mad Day Math and.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
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Speaker 2 (17:21):
Well you get to take it for granted podcast as well.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Is there a Thanksgiving special any episode on the horizon?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Nope? You just hate me, You just you just sincerely
hate me. I see how it is.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I have to go and listen to the sound of
my own voice on the way home. You know how
terrifying that is? You know, awful that is. I like
when commercials come on with my voice, like I changed
the channel me too, Like it's it's just when it's
your boy right, when it's my right, it's almost drive
you to drink, it does.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I'm just saying, like, now.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Fergus, he said he's gonna take up drinking after here
in my Emerstar commercial.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Well that's a lot of Martin Now he's drawing myself in.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I'm just saying, fermented Martin Us gets to the NFL
six pack. It's time for the NFL six path.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I'm gonna train the last year insight and inside information
you can't find anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
No.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Six the top six NFL headline. What tight end Greg
Dolson's time is up in Denver.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
The NFL's transaction report today show the Broncos had waved
Greg Dolsie off the fifty three man roster. Dulsich was
a twenty twenty two third round pick. Caught thirty three
passes for four hundred and eleven yards to touchdowns in
ten games during his rookie season hamstring injuries limited to
two games last season, be inactive for the team's last.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Eight games this season. Five catches twenty eight yards on
the season.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Broncos have not filled Dulsicch roster spot, but needs space
for a linebacker Drew Sanders if they want to activate him.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
From injured reserve by Wednesday's deadline.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
If they do not activate Sanders by Wednesday, he reverse
to the pup would be an active for the rest
of the year. Josh Reynolds would be the other person
you would think could be activated into that spot. First
of all, what do you think of Dulsage's time in Denver?
Second of all, should they activate Drew Sanders at all?
Or should they look at Josh Reynolds?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
For me, I think you know looking at it. The
great dose situation.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
There's not too much that we can measure and say
it was great for greag dosas there there were some
moments and his first year where he looked brilliant and
it seemed as though he was on the right trajectory
to be the next up and coming Broncos star at
the tight end position. But those things didn't work out.
But as far as using his spot to bring up
(19:23):
Drew Sanders.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I say no.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
I mean, right now, you have a.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Nice collection of guys right now at the edge rusher position.
Maybe bring up Josh Reynolds to add another offensive weapons
because you know.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Vot Nick's definitely going to need it.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, I mean, you know, you look at this and
I don't know that. It seems like the edge rushers
played pretty well, even with the trade.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Of Baron Browning. Feels like you got it en off
depth there. I'm not sure I read her up this year.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I think we keep that, let him go to the
pop and keep an eye on Josh Reynolds for that.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Roster spot too.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Jamison Williams will not face a concealed weapons charge. Lions
Wide Receiver Jamison william This is not going to be
charged with any crime related to October traffic stopping. Detroit
prosecutors were revealing whether Williams should be charged for carrying
a concealed weapon without a license when he and his
brother were pulled over for speeding.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Williams was a passenger.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
In the car did not have a concealed weapons license
for his firearm. Wayne County Prosecutor Kim Worthy said on Monday,
the facts of the case did not support the charges
under the law, saying quote, we looked at the case
thoroughly objectively. We did not consider mister Williams as a
Detroit professional athlete in our decision making, so we charged
Detroit our athletes before would not have hesitated to do
so if the facts of the case could be proven
beyond a reasonable doubt, or he said in a statement
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via Detroit Free Press. When it comes to charging decisions,
we do not take any consideration who the potential defense
it is, how much power influence they have, or how
beloved they may be.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
We do a fact in law only.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
We have serve a two game suspension for performance enhancing
drug policy violation earlier this season. He has twenty nine
catches six hundred two yards four touchdowns on the season.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Hopefully these incidents are behind Williams.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
But what do we think of Josh Williams not getting
charged for the concealed weapons issue time, Well, I.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Obvious say this should be a learning lesson to James
and Williams and every other player out there to make
sure that if you're going to have a firearm, make
sure it is definitely registered.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
But it's always the ongoing thing. Then we see a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Of these situations take plays during an off season, not
that many during the regular season. But this is definitely
get out of Jeffrey cart that. Hopefully Jameson Wilson Williams
actually learns from his ben and he tries to make
sure that he doesn't put himself in homes work like
this again.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, and you know, this is one of those things.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
There's been a lot of immaturity for a lot of talent,
a lot of maturity from Jameson Williams.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
You got the gambling suspension, you.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Had the PD suspension, Now you got pulled over for
a weapons charge.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
You got you know, you gotta get your get your
stuff together.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Hopefully that's the final wake up call that wakes him up.
Three Blacking's coach Kevin ol connell revived the career of
one quarterback who flamed out in New York. Might he
do it with another. Daniel Jones was cut by the
Giants became a free agent today after clearing waivers. The
Vikings are reportedly one of several contenders interested in signing Jones.
I'm not really going to get into that today, but
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i will say tons of respect for Daniel Jones a
player and a person, O'Connell said Monday via video from
the team.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I got to know him through the draft process years ago.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I'm sure now that he's a free agent, there's probably
a ton of league wide interest in him. Daniel is
going to make the decisions best for him and his
career moving forward.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I'm sure he's working through that process right now.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I can't really get into too much shorter long term,
but I can say I've been a fan of Daniels
for a long time and hope wherever his next stop
takes him was a good.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Opportunity for him.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
O'Connor declined to say whether the Vikings have interest in Jones.
After Adam Schefter to have the Vikings and Ravens as
the likeliest team to land him. The Vikings have Nick
Mullins a Brett Rippon behind Sam Darnold, a former first
round pick of the Jets who was having a career
year after signing with Minnesota in the offseason. Vikings first
round pick JJ McCarthy, spending his rookie season on ir Jones,
who asked for his reliefs after being demoted to fourth
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string quarterback last week, could sign with a practice squad
to give him flexibility to sign with the other team's
active squad if a contender has an injury at the position.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
If you were Daniel Jones, would you go.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Somewhere that gave you the opportunity to start allot of
the Raiders, or would you go to a team like,
for instance, Baltimore or Minnesota where you could get sort
of that culture that you've been missing, the winning culture,
and maybe, you know, refine yourself this offseason before pursuing
something in the in the offseason.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I'm gonna go somewhere where I can develop in these
last couple of games and set myself up for twenty
twenty five. While you know, going to Minnesota may look
like the right thing to do, they already have their
guys and that is why Kevin O'Connell was noncamental and
the whole concept of bringing Daniel Jones into the Minnesota
Vikings organization. But what I will say is that he
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is on the right track. If Dames Jones is thinking
of drawing joining an operation similar to the one Kevin
O'Connell runs with the Minnesota Vikings, think about Sean mcvavid
the Rams, think about Coylee Shanahan out there in San Francisco.
Think about maybe Zach Taylor with the Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Bengals, or even Mike mc daniels down in Miami.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
The reason I say that is because that office, those
offensive schemes are now being utilized in today's NFL and
to learn from some of those smart coaches based on
that system, that may be proactive for a guy.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Like Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
And to me, it's about finding, you know, for the
Shanahan offense is a big one out there, I would
probably go to somebody off that tree, or go to
West Coast, you know, somebody with West Coast verbiage, so
I can immerse myself in that just so that I
have exposure to that this offseason. I'm ahead of the
curve in terms of look, you know, talking to other
coaches about joining their team. If I go somewhere else,
that's kind of what I would be looking at. Last
thing you want to do is go on a short
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season with no prep, run out there and try to
try to make a name for yourself, especially with a
bad team or a losing culture. The last thing you
want to do is do that kind of stuff. We've seen,
We've seen players do it. I mean, Baker went to
the Rams and played on no print, but see that's
the Ram. But going to the Raiders, right, but that's
the Rams and the winning culture and not in addition
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to that. But you know, you go through the Raiders,
you get beat up. You're not going to be anything
for twenty twenty five. So don't don't even worry about that.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Try to go to a team where you can develop,
because that's where Daniel Jones is at this moment right now.
He's trying to change the perception of what teams.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Have of him.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
And the only way you can do that is being
around a culture that's gonna make him better as a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, and at the end of the day, I mean
that's really what you need to do is look at
your future.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Here let's see what gives you the best opportunity for that.
The NFL finally embracings boundary cameras.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
The existence of the devices for surfaced on Sunday as
Fox Rules analyst Mike Pierra revealed their presence at shul
Soldier Field in Chicago and explain they can only be
used for automatic replay reviews for now and not coaches
challenges because they aren't deployed all out across the league.
Per the league, the rollout began in Week five now
has goal line, sideline and enline cameras in all stadiums
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except New York, LA, Tampa, Jacksonville, Miami. The league anticipates
by the end of the calendar year all stadiums will
have them, and even when league going cameras twelve per
venue our President in all stadiums are used, will not
expand to coaches challenge and replay assist this season.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Next year they will.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
The absence of the cameras from the stadium in Tampa
contributed to an inability to overturn the apparent fumble caused
by Antwine Winfield Junior as Falcons tight end Kyle Pitts
was scoring a touchdown back in Week eight.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
At the time, the.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Conversation focused on the absence of Pilon cameras for some
games and their presence at others wasn't widely known. At
that time, the league had been adding its own cameras
that will in theory, provide definitive views. Wouldn't have mattered
since the cameras still aren't in Tampa anyway, but for
scoring plays in the stadiums where the cameras have been installed,
the twelve boundary cameras can.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Be used to confirm or overturned the ruling on the field.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
When we think about the league finally adding pylon and
boundary cameras, I think it.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Was about time.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
I mean, if you look at the progression of the
game over the past couple of years, we've seen technology
used to enhance the game and make sure that the
refs get.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
The calls right.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
We know that the refs and human there's always human.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Eraor that's involved with a lot of these calls, and
with sportsbooks being involved now there's a lot of wages,
huh being made and laws and you always going to
make sure that you keep the integrity of the game
intag and you don't want some fans thinking, hey, there's
some frivolous activities as though we've seen all over the
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years when it comes to officials calling or not calling
certain place.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
So I think this is a great move in the
right direction.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, I tend to agree. And more cameras you have
the better.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I don't see there's any downside to having more cameras,
more angles, anything to be able to look at things
and get the right and correct calls in, especially when.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
There's money on the line.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Five.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Speaking of money on the line, a ruling.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
In a fight between the NFL and the Players Association
over alleged collusion over guaranteed contracts been lingering for about
two years. Source with knowledge of the situation. The hearing
concluded this summer closing arguments have occurred. A final written
legal briefs have been submitted to decision is expected in December.
Information regarding the case have been scarce because on like
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litigation and open court, the arbitration proceeding is subject to
strict finatiality procedures. The NFLPA claims the NFL's teams colluded
on the issue of not giving guaranteed contracts to certain players.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Specific players such as Ravens quarterback Lamar.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Jackson would receive significant payments if the arbitrator fined collusion happened.
The arbitration is happening not as a requirement jam, but
by the NFL into the employment contracts they take it
or leave at mandate to submit legal claims in.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
A secret, rigged kangaroo cord.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Instead, it's say process negotiated by the league and the union,
which gives the players a better chance at winning than
a non union employees of the league and its teams
would have. What do you think about the NFLPA suing
league for contract collusion and non guaranteed contracts and what
the outcome may be next month.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
I think that is a move in the right direction because,
let's be totally honest, we knew when it came to
Lamar Jackson's contract, no one was going to up the
ante and the numbers in his contract because if they
did that for him, that just kind of changed things
across the board for all the owners.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
And listen, I know when.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
You look at the Constant family, they wanted to make
sure that Lamar Jackson remained a member of the Baltimore Ravens,
but they were not going to be the foolish team
to do what the Cleveland Browns did, you know, with
Deshaun Watson's contract. So while one may not tend to
use that word in the NFL circles of collusion, you
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just had to figure that there was some form of
agreement that was very useful throughout the ownership.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, and I mean at the end of the day,
that's that's sort of the thing is, you know, you
can't I don't know that you can prove collusion this
kid in this case.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I'm not sure that you can.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Well you need someone to addressing it, but well, yeah
you need yeah, and and good luck with that, owners,
but you do you can start to bring this up
and start stacking enough evidence because you know, the other.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Professional leagues all have guaranteed contracts.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Now, I understand it's more difficult because the roster size
in the NFL and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Get that, but.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
You know, at the end of the day, it could
still be done. We saw the Browns do it. We
saw the owners get up at arms when the Browns
did it, and we saw how it hamstrung the Browns
when they did it. So you'd have to be judicious
about it anyway, but that doesn't mean that you should
be able to collude and not do it. Six Brandi
Ram's career might be over, and man, what a shame.
Brandon Graham's fifteen season NFL career might be over. The
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Eagles pass rusher revealed that he'd soorn that he'd suffered
torn triceps that will end his season during the thirty
seven twenty win over the Rams on Sunday night. Graham
said before the campaign that he planned for this to
be his last.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Season, didn't close the door definitively on a return.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Graham said, I don't want to go out like this,
but if it's pointing toward that, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I don't know what the team is going to be
feeling at this time. I know for me, I don't
want to go out like this. I definitely want to
be able.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
To finish a whole season before I'm done, But if
that ain't in the cards, I'm contempt with where I'm
at too.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
So I'm just not there yet. I'm like, let's finish
this and see how the rev's going. We'll go from there.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
The Eagles are high for seven straight wins, but we'd
buy a Saquon Barkley led offense that is thriving at
a defense that led by Vic Fangio, let's found it's
footing after a rough start. Graham, who's thirty six, is
eight of the Eagles pass rush with three sacks, including
a strong game Sunday Night that had a sack, two
tackles for a loss, and three quarterback hits. The Veterans
staid the injury happen when he got chipped out of play,
multi reports, noting he exited in the fourth quarter. If
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Graham has played his final snap, he finishes franchise history
with seventy six and a half sacks after being drafted
number thirteen overall in the twenty ten NFL Draft. It'd
be tough to go out like that, Torn try sap.
You know you're playing well, well into your thirties, that
kind of thing. But man, what a game to go
out on.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
He had a big game. If you're going out on that,
at least you went out on a high note, right, I.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Mean going out on a high note is always great.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
But no player wants to be able to say that
he didn't go out his own way. And the reason
why I can say that I remember, you know, one
year before my final year being injured, and it's always
a question of what you're going to be able to
continue or you're going to still be able to play
at a high level. But you know, Graham in his career,
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he has nothing to be disappointed about. I mean, he's
been an impact player for a long period of time
and he's a super Bow champ.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
You've been through that though, I mean you've been through
the process, the retirement, you know, the coming to the
end of the game and all that kind of stuff,
and I can imagine that's one of the most difficult
decisions to grapple with, you know, as a professional athlete.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
It's what you've done your whole life, and especially.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
If the body breaks down on you a little bit,
just doesn't allow you to do what the mind tells you, Hey,
I should be able to do anymore. How difficult is
it at the end to just to say, either I
can't do it anymore, the body won't let me do
it anymore, or I need to move on to the
next thing.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Here's one thing not to have anything envision where you
can see the ending coming, like things getting closer.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
But if it's decided for you.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
But when it's decided for you, man, it makes it
that much more difficult because you find yourself on the
outside looking in at what could have been a cap
on a sensational career in the season. But you can
only be a sideline cheerleader based on what's going on.
And for Graham, I know it's gonna be tough for
him just standing there watching. And if the Eagles were
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to get deep into the playoffs, or dare I say,
even make it to the super Bowl, is only gonna
hurt even more.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Hopefully, I mean torn try stuff. I don't know what
the recovery time is from that. I wonder if he
could make it back for a Super Bowl kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Well, we know one linebacker did it with deer Antler spray.
Oh my god, I forgot about the deer Antler spray.
I I'm just saying, God, Graham, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
If you got ray Lewis's number, but you might want to,
you know, hit him up, dear antl the spray.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Apparently, they say me, I don't know, I have you
asking the wrong person. I have no idea. Yeah, because
it's usually like a six month injury, I think, but
not with deer antel spray. He need some deer antler
spread like it happens, called Tony Starr. Oh, there we go,
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
As we looked at this, we talked about a lot
of positives.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Out of this and Broncos coming away with a ten
point when they get up the monkey off their back,
finally win and't win. In Vegas they swept the Raiders
for the first time since twenty fourteen. I want to
get into some improvement things as well here, and we
talked about it and touched on it a little bit,
but the end of game clock management from Sean Payton
was a little suspect to me. You got the ball back,
you had a one touchdown lead, and you threw three
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straight incomplete passes with three minutes thirty seconds left, you
got to run the football at least once and either
force the Raiders to burn a time out or take
forty and so off that clock.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
They got bailed out by the fact that.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Nick Binneil's strip sacked Desmond Ritter, you know, coming back
on the other side and got the ball back. We
were able to get it out to a two score
lead and ultimately win it. But you know, the Raiders,
we saw how they were able to get the ball
down a field. They got down to the one yard line.
As a matter of fact, you know, right there at
the end of the game, it could have been disaster
for the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
You came out there with a one score league. One
of those downs you.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Have to run and it's got to be first or
second down, because you were third and ten, right, so
it's got to be first or second down.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I don't understand why we didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I don't stand why we threw three straight passes, even
if the Raiders were shutting the run down.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
The enemy at that point is the clock. You've got
the lead, the enemy is the clock. Yeah, the enemy
is the clock.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
But once again, hindsight being twenty twenty, you look back
on the situation, you say, Okay, well, hey, listen, we
should have done this, we could have done this, but
here's what we did.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Luckily that it didn't cost the team.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Victory on the road that they definitely needed to sweep
the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
But the only thing I could think of, and you
mentioned one of those things.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
The fact that you and our running the ball well,
and analytics would tell you, okay, with time being, you know,
at the essence for the Raiders, you want to make
sure you run the ball, you force them to kill
some timeouts and miok some hot off even if you
only gain like two yards, you can just kind of
stretch things out. But there's a part of me, and
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once again I'm not sure that I have the right mindset,
because I don't know what coach Sean Payton was.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Thinking in this case.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
But for me, I was looking at it from the
standpoint of, Okay, well, the passing game has been on
point all day long. Whatever you wanted to get in
the second half, you were able to get, whether it.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Was to uh Marvin Mims on those those.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Kind of little swing routes.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
So I understand that I understand that.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Okay, we throw on first down, fine, but when that's incomplete,
you have to make you know you can't run on
third down in that situation.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
You know that you've got to sew you run on
second down.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Yeah, it seems that way. I mean every everything about
football and football ideology, and it's just say, if it
was a football encyclopedia, it would tell you you do
that in that particular situation. But once again, we have
no idea of knowing what Sean Payton mistaking in that
particular moment. Maybe he thought, once again, we would have
a success offensively throwing the ball, and if we get
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them in the right defensive look, this is where we
would take advantage of it. But unfortunately they were not
able to make connections with the receivers which prompted them
to point. So we can always look back at it
and say, okay, well we should have done this, could
have done this when things probably worked out the way
that they did for the Broncos luckily, luckily. And here's
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here's another thing.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Sean said, the worst case scenario if things don't work
out for us, as far as these passes are conserved,
we know Desmond Ritters there is in a game as
a backup quarterback.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
He's coming in Cole.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
We know we had one of the top defenses in
the league, and the Broncos consistently in the game, even
when Minshew was in the game, they were able to
generate some level of pressure. So these could have been
the things that impact that his frame of thinking.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I mean, I hear all that, but at the other day,
to me, it's simple process. It doesn't matter who's over there,
doesn't matter the ball, it's it's I mean, look, we
can call it Katie Perry. It doesn't matter if they're
hot or their cold. I'm what I'm saying is when
you've got three minutes and thirty seconds left in a game,
your objective is to get the clock to zero.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
You've got the lead and the ball.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
And here's the funny part about this is I'm always
telling people where that works in Madden, you can't do
that in real life.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I can tell the I can tell the coaches.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
That never played Madden, because people who have the best
endgame played Matt have seen that situation play out over
and played thousands of games and understand you've got to
get that clock.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Your goal now is to get the clock to zero.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
And I'm not saying you need to turtle up and
run three times, but you have to run once. You
have to take more than more than ten seconds off
the clock.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
See I can see right now if coach Payton just
what happens to be driving in his car leaving the
Broncos Micropodeo, getting home talking about playing Madden.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I don't play video games. I played the real game,
but I coach all Sunday. But the clock theory is
the same for both. It's the one area that translates,
the one thing that translates from from Madden to the
real is that clock management and game clock manage and
of half clock management does translate.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Okay, but well, once again, I get what you're saying.
I understand why you were saying it, Ben, but I'm thinking, like, okay,
when we watch any game, not just the Broncos. We
can watch every game when we see or what's perceived
to be poor clock management and go, okay, well, if
it did not go well, here's our critique of that
coach not making this particular decision.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
But if it somehow goes well, it's just like.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
What I would have still said, what, I really need to.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Talk about it, because yeah, they took a shot and
luckily it didn't cause them because that they have a
Helifi defense.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Well, I would have gone the other way. I was said.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Okay, the result ended up working out, but the process
was bad. Process here they dropped that ball.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Okay, well, which.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Did But how many times did that? We've seen that happen.
The something may be great in theory, but the practicality
part of being able to work it.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Out, it doesn't work out. I'm saying. But I'm saying that.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
What you're telling me is great in theory, but you
know he's coming in colds. We're gonna take these shots.
But that's not the way you should do it. The
math says, run the ball. You've got three minutes and
thirty seconds left. What you run on second down and
that clock is down there to two fifty.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Well, here is what coach Payton is saying right now
on a victory Mondy, guess what pipping the mad day math?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
And well he's got on the game because got a
strip sack.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
And once again, these are some of the things that
influence coaches' decision.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
When you know that you have a defense that can
turn the ball over that we saw and you.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Get the strategy.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I'm not up he First of all, it's not enough
to know that you have both Jonathan Cooper and you
have banking on a strip sack.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
No. No, you're not baking on a strip sack.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
You're baking on the fact that, hey, listen, we're gonna
play to our defense if we're not even to pick
up the first down. Here's what we know what our
defense can actually do. And I'm sure you can throw
analytics into it if you want to say, okay, well
here here, here's You have a guy in Desmond Ritter
who historically hasn't had a lot of success in his
time in the league. He comes in and a pivot
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moment in the game where the Raiders need to move
the ball down the field efficiently and very quickly.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
What were the.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Odds that he was going he was going to be
able to do that versus that defense. I would like
to say, not even having an analytical numbers in front
of me, that those numbers favor the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Well, you didn't know, this is the other part of this.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
You didn't know that Ridder was coming in because Minshew
came out for the first play. That was when he
got He got sacked on the very first play after
that punt. So we didn't even know Ritter was coming
into the game yet, Like we didn't know that was
a thing it was going to be, Gardner Minshew. He
got sacked by Barton and Cooper for that five yard loss.
That's what at the colarbone, right, and then Ridder you know,
then Riddle was in it was but that.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Was the thing.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
You didn't know that, so you did Gardner Minshew, who
has a history of creating league game mas, how's a
history of creating drives like that?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
But you took.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Fifteen seconds off the clock. You get the ball back
with what was it? I hold on, I'm trying about
with the exact time? Was they get the three thirty eight?
You get the ball back with three thirty eight? You
took fifteen seconds off the clock.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Hey, listen, man, could the offensive passing play calling.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Ben by better and the execution in better?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Absolutely, But there's a part of me that still thinks
that knowing how the Broncos defense was playing an entire game,
I know they you know this.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Thirteen points for the Raiders in the second quarter.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
But based on how the Broncos defense was playing, the
idea is say, okay, well if we if we complete this,
it's great.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
If we don't, we're still in the.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Game because we're gon we're gonna play, We're gonna lean.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
On our defense, We're gonna put the press on our
defense to come through as they had done all season.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
All fine with the belief in my defense, but I'm
trying to give them every advantage. If I get the
ball back with three thirty eight, sure, I'm trying to
pass on first down. Absolutely, I'm trying to catch them
nap and they're expecting me to run it here. But
then on second and third you're either burning two timeouts
at three thirty hold on three thirty eight was what uh?
They got the ball back, so three thirty three after
the first.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
One, what the ready to do it? Or we're taking
eighty seconds off the clock.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Well, as a guy who as you're getting to the
two minute warning if they don't burn timeouts, I get
a pun But as a guy who you know likes
to be really risky, up, yes, yes, I'm risk averse.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I don't know what you're talking about the way, bro.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
As a guy that we were afraid of the guy
who wants to run the ball sixty six times a
game when he's playing video games, because.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
The guy who has no issue with rolling the dice. Right, No,
not when it comes down to that. This is one
of the look but you were already up on Paid's rolling.
I'm not, but they were up though.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
You're up a score. Yes, with the game.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Take the game down to the two minute warning. Punt
with punp give them what their time out Either they're
burning boll timeouts and they're getting the ball back with
whatever they got it back with anyway three three twenty eight,
or they they don't burn their timeouts. You took it
down to the two minute warning. They've got the two
minute warning and that's it. Well, hey, hey, the bronc
is playing in Vegas. Say coach fell a little confident
(10:03):
on the tables. Same, he's gonna roll the dom Man
because he knew he had show he had an ace
in the hole.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
And it's called Bess Joseph and the Broncos defense.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Why would you get your defense every advantage though burning
burning the time the clock down again, Like.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
This is a big This is a big one for me.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
It's a big buggaboo for me because I'm like, the
result here is you won, but you can't use that.
You can't justify the process with the results.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
But this, but this is one of those things with
any coach, I believe on any level that you could say, well,
is it overconfidence in their defense that allows them to
make these kind of snap judgments. I'm gonna say yes,
because when you know that you have a defense that's
been playing well, do you do you lean on them
too much?
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Do you put a lot of pressure on them, Yes,
because you've seen them actually come through.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
But see, I take it the other way.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I'm saying, I'm I'm investing in my defense here, I'm
gonna utilize like I'm gonna take the clock off or
take their timeouse, which which everyone they choose, it's up
to them, And then I'll.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Put it back in my defense's hand.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I gave you guys a one score lead, but it's
under two minute warning at this point. By the time
they put it would have been under the two minue
warning or they would have burned two timeounts.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
And and so like I'm.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Giving it back to you, I'm giving it back to
my defense, which has been stellar all year in the
best possible situation.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
But this is why having a great defense allows you
to gamble. It takes, I know, to take certain risks.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
You understand the process, Yes, I just don't agree with It's.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
It's not playing like.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
A coach's job is to give your team the best
margin to win, and that is not the best margin
to win. Well, you know we're not going up to
the table and putting it all on sixteen.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Well in this case the ten. In this case the
number was different. Yeah, in this.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Case ten and coming to stake guys like, I'm not
like that.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I just don't understand that as a process.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
That's bad process.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Well, listen, every process is imperfect, it's not. But same time,
you just hope and pray that things work out the
way that you want them to.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
But see, I'm not hoping and praying. I'm giving them
the best possible position. I'm running the clock. I'm just
taking away their time out. Kid.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
This this is where the difference lies between Madden Football.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
But this all but the principle applies you the way.
It's the one thing that translates that clock management, burning
it down and then having your great defense with them
with maybe one time either one time out and the
two minute warning or you're under two.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Minutes with all three time. In any situation you.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Do there, you're putting your defense in the best possible
situation to succeed.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Hey, you know Sean Pagne to say, look, man, oh,
by the way, in that scenario, the best they can
do is tie you. Hey, sempay gamble right, And it
didn't work out for Wait, it didn't make difference. It's
still worked out for it didn't felt the Broncos actually
won the game for you.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
It's isolated incident, a situation.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Where you know, we're not the only time they've done Okay, well,
they could have been more effective in that particular moment, right,
I would agree, But he's rolled the dice.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
It worked. He bet on black, and black came through
for him.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
He bet he bet on white, he bet on white
number ten and uh, and it didn't come through for him,
and then came through there. He bet on black, came through,
he bet on he bet on white ten and it
didn't work and then black five came through.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Brocos win either way, right, that's what that's what we're
talking about, right.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
It is victory, mind you, man, it is to spend
one thing I spent as only spent one segment on
the stuff that could have improved and really really focused
on one of the things. But like I said, well,
I want to celebrate the victory, but I also want
to do one segment one.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Who know, I can tell when you watch games that
are played on any level, as you are watching it,
critiquing the routes being run, the defense that is trying
to uh create havoc on the quarterback, we see reason
how they catch the ball where they get both feet in.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I strongly believe that.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
You watch and you wait for a moment in the
game in the fourth quarter, two minutes left thirty, someone's
gonna have some what is perceived to be poor decision
when it comes.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
To unperceived it was a going on and on on
any any number of bad end game decision making from
coaches like this is the one thing. Like you got
analytics guys, You've got guys up there telling you to
challenge what or not you should have a clock management
guy telling you, hey, you know what we need to
run in this scenario. We need to run our first
or second down. You want to throw it on first, fine,
but we need we need to burn this amount of clock.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
I got it, I got it, I got this those
ty people to do, I got it.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Thank you, okay. And most of the time you're gonna
wind up losing. You got lucky. Well, sometimes take it.
We're lucky than good, right, that's right. Sometimes it's better
to be lucky. But I don't want I don't want
that luck to run out of the playoffs. I don't
want Sean Payton to get us to the playoffs and then.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Be doing bad clocks in game clock managing.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I'm sure coach would watch that the game film from
the last three or four minutes in the game and
just say, okay, well, what could we have done a
lot better? There was one and that that's gonna be
one of those things. There was one path possible.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
There was one path to allowing the Raiders to take
that game from you, and they did it. There was
you got to think for both sides of the coin.
You talk about we're gonna get firstwme, we're gonna aggressive.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Put you know that kind of thing. Okay, but I'm thinking.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
About it from the other side of the coin. Is
there any scenario where the Raiders can take the game
from me? Yes, you throw three incompletions, give the ball
back to them with the full compliment of timeouts and
enough time to get down there in four down territory
where they have four chances to get a first down
instead of three.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Desma Rider was yet, that's the thing you punped it.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
You didn't know if the pot the injury to miss
You happened after that point.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Even with that being said, right, ridder is not factor
in Even when miss You playing in the game, the
Raiders offense still was having moments where they were struggling great.
So once again, these are some of the things could
have played a role in the decision.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Let me let me let me put this simple in
the simplest terms possible before we get out of this segment,
because I don't want to stay here.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Be wet blanket, all right, all right, I don't. I
want to do one segment on that, and that was it.
I'm not doing any more negative segments for the rest
of the week. Yes, sure, I'm not sure you have
my solar. What it is Monday? It's Thanksgiving? What does
that mean? We're giving thanks this week. We're giving thanks
for the victory. We're not sitting here bien on in
the loss. Well, I'm gonna hold you to that, just saying.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
But I do want to I did want to focus
on this one thing because it applies not just to
the brawn, because there were many endgame management that were teport.
Let me put this choice in the in the simplest
terms possible. Would you you love your defense, you love
the fact that their offense hasn't been playing good? Would
you rather give the ball back to your opponents with
three thirty two remaining and three timeouts? Or would you
rather give it back to them at the two minute
warning with three timeouts?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Well, obviously, I mean you would like to give them
back to the two minutes. There you go, yes, But
I mean these don't always work out as perfectly as
you die.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Because if you run, you run the ball two times.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
We're gonna back a about this one through the break
Broncos Country tonight back with a six pack after this
wet blanket.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
All right, guess what Pip? The Mad Day Math and.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Happy Victory Monday I six six nine zero is the
text line. Thanks to romy Bean for joining us in
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Speaker 2 (17:21):
Well you get to take it for granted podcast as well.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Is there a Thanksgiving special any episode on the horizon?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Nope? You just hate me, You just you just sincerely
hate me. I see how it is.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I have to go and listen to the sound of
my own voice on the way home. You know how
terrifying that is? You know, awful that is. I like
when commercials come on with my voice, like I changed
the channel me too, Like it's it's just when it's
your boy right, when it's my right, it's almost drive
you to drink, it does.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I'm just saying, like, now.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Fergus, he said he's gonna take up drinking after here
in my Emerstar commercial.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Well that's a lot of Martin Now he's drawing myself in.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I'm just saying, fermented Martin Us gets to the NFL
six pack. It's time for the NFL six path.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I'm gonna train the last year insight and inside information
you can't find anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
No.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Six the top six NFL headline. What tight end Greg
Dolson's time is up in Denver.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
The NFL's transaction report today show the Broncos had waved
Greg Dolsie off the fifty three man roster. Dulsich was
a twenty twenty two third round pick. Caught thirty three
passes for four hundred and eleven yards to touchdowns in
ten games during his rookie season hamstring injuries limited to
two games last season, be inactive for the team's last.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Eight games this season. Five catches twenty eight yards on
the season.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Broncos have not filled Dulsicch roster spot, but needs space
for a linebacker Drew Sanders if they want to activate him.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
From injured reserve by Wednesday's deadline.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
If they do not activate Sanders by Wednesday, he reverse
to the pup would be an active for the rest
of the year. Josh Reynolds would be the other person
you would think could be activated into that spot. First
of all, what do you think of Dulsage's time in Denver?
Second of all, should they activate Drew Sanders at all?
Or should they look at Josh Reynolds?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
For me, I think you know looking at it. The
great dose situation.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
There's not too much that we can measure and say
it was great for greag dosas there there were some
moments and his first year where he looked brilliant and
it seemed as though he was on the right trajectory
to be the next up and coming Broncos star at
the tight end position. But those things didn't work out.
But as far as using his spot to bring up
(19:23):
Drew Sanders.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I say no.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
I mean, right now, you have a.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Nice collection of guys right now at the edge rusher position.
Maybe bring up Josh Reynolds to add another offensive weapons
because you know.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Vot Nick's definitely going to need it.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, I mean, you know, you look at this and
I don't know that. It seems like the edge rushers
played pretty well, even with the trade.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Of Baron Browning. Feels like you got it en off
depth there. I'm not sure I read her up this year.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I think we keep that, let him go to the
pop and keep an eye on Josh Reynolds for that.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Roster spot too.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Jamison Williams will not face a concealed weapons charge. Lions
Wide Receiver Jamison william This is not going to be
charged with any crime related to October traffic stopping. Detroit
prosecutors were revealing whether Williams should be charged for carrying
a concealed weapon without a license when he and his
brother were pulled over for speeding.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Williams was a passenger.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
In the car did not have a concealed weapons license
for his firearm. Wayne County Prosecutor Kim Worthy said on Monday,
the facts of the case did not support the charges
under the law, saying quote, we looked at the case
thoroughly objectively. We did not consider mister Williams as a
Detroit professional athlete in our decision making, so we charged
Detroit our athletes before would not have hesitated to do
so if the facts of the case could be proven
beyond a reasonable doubt, or he said in a statement
(20:33):
via Detroit Free Press. When it comes to charging decisions,
we do not take any consideration who the potential defense
it is, how much power influence they have, or how
beloved they may be.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
We do a fact in law only.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
We have serve a two game suspension for performance enhancing
drug policy violation earlier this season. He has twenty nine
catches six hundred two yards four touchdowns on the season.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Hopefully these incidents are behind Williams.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
But what do we think of Josh Williams not getting
charged for the concealed weapons issue time, Well, I.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Obvious say this should be a learning lesson to James
and Williams and every other player out there to make
sure that if you're going to have a firearm, make
sure it is definitely registered.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
But it's always the ongoing thing. Then we see a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Of these situations take plays during an off season, not
that many during the regular season. But this is definitely
get out of Jeffrey cart that. Hopefully Jameson Wilson Williams
actually learns from his ben and he tries to make
sure that he doesn't put himself in homes work like
this again.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, and you know, this is one of those things.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
There's been a lot of immaturity for a lot of talent,
a lot of maturity from Jameson Williams.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
You got the gambling suspension, you.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Had the PD suspension, Now you got pulled over for
a weapons charge.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
You got you know, you gotta get your get your
stuff together.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Hopefully that's the final wake up call that wakes him up.
Three Blacking's coach Kevin ol connell revived the career of
one quarterback who flamed out in New York. Might he
do it with another. Daniel Jones was cut by the
Giants became a free agent today after clearing waivers. The
Vikings are reportedly one of several contenders interested in signing Jones.
I'm not really going to get into that today, but
(22:06):
i will say tons of respect for Daniel Jones a
player and a person, O'Connell said Monday via video from
the team.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I got to know him through the draft process years ago.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I'm sure now that he's a free agent, there's probably
a ton of league wide interest in him. Daniel is
going to make the decisions best for him and his
career moving forward.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I'm sure he's working through that process right now.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I can't really get into too much shorter long term,
but I can say I've been a fan of Daniels
for a long time and hope wherever his next stop
takes him was a good.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Opportunity for him.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
O'Connor declined to say whether the Vikings have interest in Jones.
After Adam Schefter to have the Vikings and Ravens as
the likeliest team to land him. The Vikings have Nick
Mullins a Brett Rippon behind Sam Darnold, a former first
round pick of the Jets who was having a career
year after signing with Minnesota in the offseason. Vikings first
round pick JJ McCarthy, spending his rookie season on ir Jones,
who asked for his reliefs after being demoted to fourth
(22:48):
string quarterback last week, could sign with a practice squad
to give him flexibility to sign with the other team's
active squad if a contender has an injury at the position.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
If you were Daniel Jones, would you go.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Somewhere that gave you the opportunity to start allot of
the Raiders, or would you go to a team like,
for instance, Baltimore or Minnesota where you could get sort
of that culture that you've been missing, the winning culture,
and maybe, you know, refine yourself this offseason before pursuing
something in the in the offseason.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I'm gonna go somewhere where I can develop in these
last couple of games and set myself up for twenty
twenty five. While you know, going to Minnesota may look
like the right thing to do, they already have their
guys and that is why Kevin O'Connell was noncamental and
the whole concept of bringing Daniel Jones into the Minnesota
Vikings organization. But what I will say is that he
(23:37):
is on the right track. If Dames Jones is thinking
of drawing joining an operation similar to the one Kevin
O'Connell runs with the Minnesota Vikings, think about Sean mcvavid
the Rams, think about Coylee Shanahan out there in San Francisco.
Think about maybe Zach Taylor with the Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Bengals, or even Mike mc daniels down in Miami.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
The reason I say that is because that office, those
offensive schemes are now being utilized in today's NFL and
to learn from some of those smart coaches based on
that system, that may be proactive for a guy.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Like Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
And to me, it's about finding, you know, for the
Shanahan offense is a big one out there, I would
probably go to somebody off that tree, or go to
West Coast, you know, somebody with West Coast verbiage, so
I can immerse myself in that just so that I
have exposure to that this offseason. I'm ahead of the
curve in terms of look, you know, talking to other
coaches about joining their team. If I go somewhere else,
that's kind of what I would be looking at. Last
thing you want to do is go on a short
(24:30):
season with no prep, run out there and try to
try to make a name for yourself, especially with a
bad team or a losing culture. The last thing you
want to do is do that kind of stuff. We've seen,
We've seen players do it. I mean, Baker went to
the Rams and played on no print, but see that's
the Ram. But going to the Raiders, right, but that's
the Rams and the winning culture and not in addition
(24:51):
to that. But you know, you go through the Raiders,
you get beat up. You're not going to be anything
for twenty twenty five. So don't don't even worry about that.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Try to go to a team where you can develop,
because that's where Daniel Jones is at this moment right now.
He's trying to change the perception of what teams.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Have of him.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
And the only way you can do that is being
around a culture that's gonna make him better as a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, and at the end of the day, I mean
that's really what you need to do is look at
your future.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Here let's see what gives you the best opportunity for that.
The NFL finally embracings boundary cameras.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
The existence of the devices for surfaced on Sunday as
Fox Rules analyst Mike Pierra revealed their presence at shul
Soldier Field in Chicago and explain they can only be
used for automatic replay reviews for now and not coaches
challenges because they aren't deployed all out across the league.
Per the league, the rollout began in Week five now
has goal line, sideline and enline cameras in all stadiums
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except New York, LA, Tampa, Jacksonville, Miami. The league anticipates
by the end of the calendar year all stadiums will
have them, and even when league going cameras twelve per
venue our President in all stadiums are used, will not
expand to coaches challenge and replay assist this season.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Next year they will.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
The absence of the cameras from the stadium in Tampa
contributed to an inability to overturn the apparent fumble caused
by Antwine Winfield Junior as Falcons tight end Kyle Pitts
was scoring a touchdown back in Week eight.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
At the time, the.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Conversation focused on the absence of Pilon cameras for some
games and their presence at others wasn't widely known. At
that time, the league had been adding its own cameras
that will in theory, provide definitive views. Wouldn't have mattered
since the cameras still aren't in Tampa anyway, but for
scoring plays in the stadiums where the cameras have been installed,
the twelve boundary cameras can.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Be used to confirm or overturned the ruling on the field.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
When we think about the league finally adding pylon and
boundary cameras, I think it.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Was about time.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
I mean, if you look at the progression of the
game over the past couple of years, we've seen technology
used to enhance the game and make sure that the
refs get.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
The calls right.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
We know that the refs and human there's always human.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Eraor that's involved with a lot of these calls, and
with sportsbooks being involved now there's a lot of wages,
huh being made and laws and you always going to
make sure that you keep the integrity of the game
intag and you don't want some fans thinking, hey, there's
some frivolous activities as though we've seen all over the
(27:14):
years when it comes to officials calling or not calling
certain place.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
So I think this is a great move in the
right direction.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, I tend to agree. And more cameras you have
the better.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I don't see there's any downside to having more cameras,
more angles, anything to be able to look at things
and get the right and correct calls in, especially when.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
There's money on the line.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Five.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Speaking of money on the line, a ruling.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
In a fight between the NFL and the Players Association
over alleged collusion over guaranteed contracts been lingering for about
two years. Source with knowledge of the situation. The hearing
concluded this summer closing arguments have occurred. A final written
legal briefs have been submitted to decision is expected in December.
Information regarding the case have been scarce because on like
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litigation and open court, the arbitration proceeding is subject to
strict finatiality procedures. The NFLPA claims the NFL's teams colluded
on the issue of not giving guaranteed contracts to certain players.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Specific players such as Ravens quarterback Lamar.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Jackson would receive significant payments if the arbitrator fined collusion happened.
The arbitration is happening not as a requirement jam, but
by the NFL into the employment contracts they take it
or leave at mandate to submit legal claims in.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
A secret, rigged kangaroo cord.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Instead, it's say process negotiated by the league and the union,
which gives the players a better chance at winning than
a non union employees of the league and its teams
would have. What do you think about the NFLPA suing
league for contract collusion and non guaranteed contracts and what
the outcome may be next month.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
I think that is a move in the right direction because,
let's be totally honest, we knew when it came to
Lamar Jackson's contract, no one was going to up the
ante and the numbers in his contract because if they
did that for him, that just kind of changed things
across the board for all the owners.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
And listen, I know when.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
You look at the Constant family, they wanted to make
sure that Lamar Jackson remained a member of the Baltimore Ravens,
but they were not going to be the foolish team
to do what the Cleveland Browns did, you know, with
Deshaun Watson's contract. So while one may not tend to
use that word in the NFL circles of collusion, you
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just had to figure that there was some form of
agreement that was very useful throughout the ownership.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, and I mean at the end of the day,
that's that's sort of the thing is, you know, you
can't I don't know that you can prove collusion this
kid in this case.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I'm not sure that you can.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Well you need someone to addressing it, but well, yeah
you need yeah, and and good luck with that, owners,
but you do you can start to bring this up
and start stacking enough evidence because you know, the other.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Professional leagues all have guaranteed contracts.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Now, I understand it's more difficult because the roster size
in the NFL and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Get that, but.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
You know, at the end of the day, it could
still be done. We saw the Browns do it. We
saw the owners get up at arms when the Browns
did it, and we saw how it hamstrung the Browns
when they did it. So you'd have to be judicious
about it anyway, but that doesn't mean that you should
be able to collude and not do it. Six Brandi
Ram's career might be over, and man, what a shame.
Brandon Graham's fifteen season NFL career might be over. The
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Eagles pass rusher revealed that he'd soorn that he'd suffered
torn triceps that will end his season during the thirty
seven twenty win over the Rams on Sunday night. Graham
said before the campaign that he planned for this to
be his last.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Season, didn't close the door definitively on a return.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Graham said, I don't want to go out like this,
but if it's pointing toward that, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I don't know what the team is going to be
feeling at this time. I know for me, I don't
want to go out like this. I definitely want to
be able.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
To finish a whole season before I'm done, But if
that ain't in the cards, I'm contempt with where I'm
at too.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
So I'm just not there yet. I'm like, let's finish
this and see how the rev's going. We'll go from there.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
The Eagles are high for seven straight wins, but we'd
buy a Saquon Barkley led offense that is thriving at
a defense that led by Vic Fangio, let's found it's
footing after a rough start. Graham, who's thirty six, is
eight of the Eagles pass rush with three sacks, including
a strong game Sunday Night that had a sack, two
tackles for a loss, and three quarterback hits. The Veterans
staid the injury happen when he got chipped out of play,
multi reports, noting he exited in the fourth quarter. If
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Graham has played his final snap, he finishes franchise history
with seventy six and a half sacks after being drafted
number thirteen overall in the twenty ten NFL Draft. It'd
be tough to go out like that, Torn try sap.
You know you're playing well, well into your thirties, that
kind of thing. But man, what a game to go
out on.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
He had a big game. If you're going out on that,
at least you went out on a high note, right, I.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Mean going out on a high note is always great.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
But no player wants to be able to say that
he didn't go out his own way. And the reason
why I can say that I remember, you know, one
year before my final year being injured, and it's always
a question of what you're going to be able to
continue or you're going to still be able to play
at a high level. But you know, Graham in his career,
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he has nothing to be disappointed about. I mean, he's
been an impact player for a long period of time
and he's a super Bow champ.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
You've been through that though, I mean you've been through
the process, the retirement, you know, the coming to the
end of the game and all that kind of stuff,
and I can imagine that's one of the most difficult
decisions to grapple with, you know, as a professional athlete.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
It's what you've done your whole life, and especially.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
If the body breaks down on you a little bit,
just doesn't allow you to do what the mind tells you, Hey,
I should be able to do anymore. How difficult is
it at the end to just to say, either I
can't do it anymore, the body won't let me do
it anymore, or I need to move on to the
next thing.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Here's one thing not to have anything envision where you
can see the ending coming, like things getting closer.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
But if it's decided for you.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
But when it's decided for you, man, it makes it
that much more difficult because you find yourself on the
outside looking in at what could have been a cap
on a sensational career in the season. But you can
only be a sideline cheerleader based on what's going on.
And for Graham, I know it's gonna be tough for
him just standing there watching. And if the Eagles were
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to get deep into the playoffs, or dare I say,
even make it to the super Bowl, is only gonna
hurt even more.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Hopefully, I mean torn try stuff. I don't know what
the recovery time is from that. I wonder if he
could make it back for a Super Bowl kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Well, we know one linebacker did it with deer Antler spray.
Oh my god, I forgot about the deer Antler spray.
I I'm just saying, God, Graham, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
If you got ray Lewis's number, but you might want to,
you know, hit him up, dear antl the spray.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Apparently, they say me, I don't know, I have you
asking the wrong person. I have no idea. Yeah, because
it's usually like a six month injury, I think, but
not with deer antel spray. He need some deer antler
spread like it happens, called Tony Starr. Oh, there we go,
nano tech with a nanotech going Broncos country. Die Wol
(34:04):
saw it to this
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