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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to it Broncos Country tonight. But with all bright
Dick Ferguson, the Hall of Famer, Steve Atwater, Grant Smith,
the mustache man, back behind the class, back there. I'm
still jealous of the thing every time, every time I commandments.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Crushing it.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Five six, six nine zero is the text line Dick
Show tonight. Ryan Michaels can join us. Seven thirty five.
Course we get the NFL six packs. Steve in the studio.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Celebrating a brewing of.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
The Raiders, first time that Broncos has swept the Raiders
since twenty fourteen. But all the talk on social all
the talk in the studio here in between the breaks
about late game clock management from Sean Payton, and I
brought this up with the show yesterday. I didn't want
to be what blanket dude. I said, we'll do one
segment on this, then a month.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I get the.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Positivity, but it's all anybody wants to talk about is
how we throwing the ball in late game situations when
we should be running first off.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Who's been using his mic? This thing sposed like perfume?
Uh maybe Mandy Connell. I don't know, Grant you, I
don't know what.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Me okay, but anyway, I'm there all right. Took a
sharp left. It just feels like bad breaths. So I
don't know who didn't brush your teeth.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
That's just you ben that that hurts. But yeah, running
the ball late game situations.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Three thirty eight, we take fifteen seconds off the clock
three straight incompletions.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
It shouldn't. You should have been running the ball.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Even even negative runs are better than incompletions at that point.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Oh man, Yeah, you gotta got to take some time
off that clock. Man, make them use some of the timeouts.
And I'm sure when they got in the meeting rooms
they looked the like, man, what we what are we
doing here?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It's not the first time though, And that's the thing
I I The thing that bothers me is and Rod
was talking about this before he left out here. You
got a great end game against Kansas City. Now you
didn't finish the field goal got blocked, but you you
worked it down their throats.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Six minute offense, took all that time off the clock.
You've seen it.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
You can do it before.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
And it doesn't matter if the run wasn't working all
game whatever. All that kind of stuff. At the end
of the day, you got three thirty eight and your
enemy and a one score lead. Your enemy is the clock.
You got the lead, already win it. And how you
win it is not throwing three in.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Completions like that.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
On the bright side of things, they could have just
known that Nick Nenita was about to come through again.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Oh my godness, given another opportunity is not a strategy
that did we was last day. I hope it is
not a stretchy. I wouldn't hope it was a fact.
You will HOPO be coming through. But we didn't have
no clue that Darder issue.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Was gonna get hurt all the next play and then
Desi Rider was going to come in and do dismony
Ridder's things.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
We had no clue.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Okay, So what I tried to tell Ben, even though
it may sound Elijah, go to Ben, let us know
about the man and some of the fans.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I told you, sometimes the mad don't be Mathew mad.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
At the same time, what Steve is talking about is
what do fins?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
So both he and I have played defense.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
All I'm saying is for the Broncos and shot paidon
in the offense. The eighth and the hole has always
been the defense all season long. Now hinds out being
twenty twenty. Like Steve said, because you go back in
at the at the facility, look at the family, say well,
you know what, should we have done a couple.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Of things differently?
Speaker 6 (03:26):
All three of those plays were shotgun plays. Right now,
the first play was a fade route to bele bro
By all.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Stretch of the imagination. He was having an awesome game.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
So now, if you want to say, if you look
at all the pass plays, should the pass plays have
been a little more creative, maybe under center with the
threat of running the ball or play action and maybe rpo. Yeah,
you could have done that. But they went three straight
pass plays, pass plays that were incomplete that could have
been executed a lot better.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
And maybe you call it different plays.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I'm not even talking about the design of the plays themselves.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
I'm just don't pass it.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Well.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
If you're gonna pass, you if you have one opportunity
to either do it on a first down and you
do a go shot, you go to a go ball
because nobody's expecting a go ball on first down, or
you do it in second down off play action after
you run the ball on first down.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Hey, hey, let me let's take a let's take a
pause for the pause.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
Was this.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Back up from the view so we could see a
bigger picture?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Bro we just won. Yeah, we got lucky.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
You didn't want to hear that lucky?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, you know, strip sector backup quarterback who happened to
come in because the other guy got hurt, and.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
They still drove.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
They just happened to get hurt. We heard them. They
still drove the ball down in the one yard line.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
By the way, lesson is cut, there's lessons cut.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
They still they.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Still drove the ball down in the one yard line.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
On the next drive after that too, What happened was
that they ran out of time, which they would.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Have already run out of if you run the ball.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Think about that.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Okay, before that synquistic place to the three plays, the
Raiders were inside their own end zone with the potential
to score, and you got passer tam who made a
great play on brock Bauers follow up right after that
by Justice Gernard, who deflected a pass once again. Great defense.
And when your defense is playing like that, could there
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be a sense of maybe over confidence that our defense
is gonna pull us out again.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
This is a strong possibility. Oh yeah, it's a strong possibility.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
And could that And I told you this last night
that could have been on the mindset of Sean Payton
worst case scenario, our defense bels is out because at
the end of the day will be constantly hint the.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Worst case scenario, the worst case scenarios.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Seventy six in defense won the game against the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
And I'm off I'm not trying to take anything away
from the players on this one, but I am saying, like,
as a coach, your job is to is to create
the highest percentage situations.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
For your guys. And that was not the highest percentage situation.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
So why don't you say exactly what you really want
to say?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Ben, don't move?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Okay, See you got away with it, but result doesn't
justify process.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
But whatever don't you want to say along with that?
I feel as though there's more you want to get
in your chet. This is this a terrible process, okay?
And I'll tell you what though, you keep doing that
down on a stretching games.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Hang on a second, though, Hang on a second.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
We're up nineteen to sixteen with a fifty nine left.
Guess what they did one, two, three, four, five, six
pass plays A.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Little bit different. You have seven minutes left in the game.
You need to go out there and score. You're down
to three thirty in timeouts. Once you get under four minutes,
once you get down into that amount of time and
that amount of time left.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
But I might number of plays left in the game.
They went down the field to score a touchdown. Cool,
seventy yards. Cool, you're up a score. You got to score. Good,
you've got to score. You got the ball, good, you've.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Got to we throw the ball, run the ball that well,
matter even.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
A negative mark.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
The game.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Celebrate you could look, we get to that. I want
to get to that.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
We celebrate enough for the man talking the celebrates the
largest story he is.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
You guys are arguing.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
For are you're arguing for Kyle Shanahan in twenty eight
three when he was throwing the ball and quarterback could
have knelt the football three times and it would like
the Patriots would not have been able to come back
that it kicked the field going one thirty one three
and then whatever the you know with the papers.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Wait, first of.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
All, I mean, by the way, but that was an
argument in that San Francisco game. Well, if Kyle falcons
his Falcons, I know yes because he was officser coordinator
for for the Falcons. If they keep running the ball,
they're they're great. But here's the thing, and I keep
telling everyone in that game before the play, what was
what were the Falcons doing that Ryan? At that point
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they were throwing the ball? Now, if remember, uh Dante
high Taer came off the edge right, and I guess
what was the running back the Davonte.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Avonte Freeman Vonte Freeman.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
Devonte Freeman was offset Steve to the same side as
Davante high Tower. Somehow he couldn't see colored and he
missed him coming off the edge. Well, and guess what
the guess what the Falcons were getting ready to do?
Have another exposed to play. But if the running back
boughs the outside linebacker, We're not having this conversation.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Right, And I agree with it.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
What I'm getting at is philosophically, though Kyle Shannas should
have been throwing a ball at that point they got
down a scoring position, Just run, maximize the clock. This
is the thing that bothers me so much. It's not
just Sean Paige. I see it all over college football.
I see it all over. At the end of the game,
your job is to get that clock from the thirty
you already.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Had the lead.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
You had the lead, and you get the ball. Your
job is to get that clock from three thirty eight
to zero. So that's your job. Now, you know, we
really had me running the ball that way.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Doesn't matter. We just got to face the time off
the clock. It does not.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
You could take negative rushing yard plays and it would
have punted, and it would have been better than three
straight in completions For me.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
I still go back to the fact that if the
Broncos is played from honesty there give give the threat,
the threat won the ball.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
That's the other part of this.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Now I'm talking strictly from a play philosophical standpoint and
run versus past. But we can get in the militia
they should be under center in those poss Yeah, I
should have you know, should.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Have you know what it was? I saw it.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
So then I said, part of the reason that Ben
is so upset about this because Ben doesn't like poor
o' clock management for one, and uh second, he wants to.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Run the ball every single time. We know that from
you know, he had.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
He was coming off a fresh loss of you know.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Army losing to uh Notre.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Dame blowed out.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
It was a loss that was he wasn't a loss.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
That was a beat.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Yeah, he was calem uh him Malayan salty. He's that salty.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
That is a salty sea salt. Yes, saling tear salt
streaking out. But but no, I mean yes, but no,
at the end of the day, your job.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
It's not just the Broncos, though I see it all over.
I see a lot of coaches who don't understand. At
the end of the game, your job is to get
that clock from three thirty eight to zero.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's not add points to the board. Do this, do this.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Your job is to take that clock from three. You
got the lead of the ball. Your job is to
take that clock from three thirty eight and get it
to zero.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
That's your jobs.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Okay, do you feel the reason maybe the Broncos might
have done that? Let me tell something else in because
bowl was sitting on two seventy two, It gets exactly
what it was, and I think they were trying to
get Yes, and we still have that Rookie of the
Year award. Yes, because that's the question. I've been asked
a lot. Did the Broncos in that moment, when they
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could have run the block, have no proof use three
passing plays because they wanted to get bo You might
have no proof, but that is what I lean.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I lean that he was trying to get his guy
his first three hundred yard game. Would it be his
first hundred yard game? I think so?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Did he get three hundred against Aleta? Oh, I think
it would have been his first three undredard game.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I have to go back and look. I'll go back
and look.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
The objective was to get him to three another three
hundred yard game and get him another touchdown and then we'll,
you know, we'll we'll get him in the Rookie of
the Year conversation.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Look how smart I was for drafting him, And.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
I like, I'm just no, that would have been a
second shark because he threw for three or seven against
the Falcons.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Okay, you couldn't run forget to three hundred gainst Falcons.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
But he's still chasing Jayde Daniels in yards. So I
don't know, because they had to have been a possibility.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
But at the end of the day, are we celebrating
a Bronco dove.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
That's what we are, and that's that's the thing. Like,
I don't want to sit here and take away from anything,
but I'm not. I'm trying to look down the stretch.
But that's what we're doing though. I mean, I'm trying
to look down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Now because we got we got games, we're playoff contender now,
and I'm trying to look at process. You're like, you know,
we got things, some things we need to clean up
going down the stretcher. I get what you're saying. You're
gonna lose the good teams doing that.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
You're absolutely right, because down the stretch you need to
be able to run the ball right, and the Broncos
have been been able to run the ball consistently. And
then you can't aligne and shotgun and pistol formation because defensively,
the way I look at that, the first thing I say, well,
that's the passing formation. Could they run it out that formation? Yes,
Now that's a delayed handoff that still gives us enough
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time to play and defend this particular play.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
But the Blancos, I.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Think in the game against the Raiders, I think I
counted six times, six times. Bo Nicks was under center
only six And if I can see that, I'm sure there's.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
A lot of shotguns.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
It's a lot of shotgun.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I'm with you on that.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I just think if this.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Would have been a perfect opportunity to give your guys
confidence that they can go punch it down somebody's throat,
even if they ha run well in a game, it
wouldn't have mattered.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
If you got negative yardage, you punted the ball doing.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Nothing, You took fifteen seconds off the clock and did
nothing at least running.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
If you'd run it three times you got stuffed every time.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
At least you would have either taken two time outs
away from them or gotten a clock to the two
minute warning.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Once again, I don't disapute that that is a possibility,
but I would just try.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
They give you the flip side of the coin say well,
I know I get.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Why, but maybe this was wasn't thinking at the end
of the day for me, And this is the way
I look at the end of the day. It doesn't
matter the line of thinking. Was it the smart thing
of the dumb thing? Did you do the right thing
or did you get away with one?
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Well?
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I think that.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Of course they'll don't.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
They'll look at this and say, like, we gotta, we gotta,
we have a better end game problem because it's not.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It's not. First of all, it's not the first time
Sean Payton's done it. The second of all, I see
it's a it's a common occurrence. I see it in
coaching all the time.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Like there's there are a lot of coaches that do
not understand end game clock management.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
You think they don't understand it, or you think that
they think that they can.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
They have plays and they're playbooks that are going to
work to kind of start having to run the ball.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Why would you do that? Like why, Like.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Answer me the why of that way? I've got this,
I've got this perfect path. Well that part you've got
a perfect class play. Why wouldn't that the past play
you were using to get up forty points on them?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Well, your leading receiver, leading rusher was Juli McGloin. Yes,
seven rushers for forty four yards and.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Tin which came on one play. Right, I'm not saying
it's been good.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
I'm saying it.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Doesn't matter if you even gain yards.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
If you're gonna throw three in completions, it doesn't matter
if you gain you you'd rather take their time outs.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I just wish was he worry somebody was fumble yeh,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
That could have been the man. We don't know.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
I just say that I would have loved for the
play calling to be much better. The fade route to Veley.
You got a taller guy and wide receiver position of
a smaller dB. I get that, you give it to
the dB. The dB made one head of a play
to break that up. Okay, well they got us. Yeah,
now now we run the next play. If you want
to say, go under center and we run the ball
to mill a couple yes, and they'm gonna make a
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decision on third down. Yes, And look, I would have
preferred even the Broncos in that situation, even if it's
even though it's first down and we and the play.
I'm about to tell you they normally run it inside
the red zone on third down, the spread out. I
would have loved to see the sprint because you're moving
the pocket the same way.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
The first thing block to me, you're either running you
get like when you get in that situation, you either
run a go ball on first down, which they did,
or you're running the ball, and then if you're if
you're deciding to pass, you either one of the go
ball on first down or you're running play action. That's
put out play action to the flat on second down
like that.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
That's that's what you do, right, And I know Vela
has some plays that he made in the game, But
if you're going to run that go ball, why don't
you run it?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
To Courtland Suddon, Well, I.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Mean, yeah, it depends on the matchup you get all
you know, the look, you get, delivery, all la kind
of stuff.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I don't I don't care. But Jerry Rice was.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Out of there matched up with anyone honestly a little
bit the.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
All time greatest wide receivers. That's a little different.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Well okay, okay, Well, Ama Saint Brown when when when
you know Jared Damas back then he said, I don't
care who's matched up on Sam Brown.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Guess where I'm going?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
You know a J.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Brown, Guess where they're going.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, Travis Kelsey, guess where they're going. With all due
respect to Courtley, is he that guy?
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Well, you you don't have it, sous, you don't have it.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
So who else on the Broncos Austin that you can
say right now is the number one wide receiver?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
But that I mean that term is nebulous, and like
number one, I mean who's your primary guy?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Let me rephrase it, let me phrase it. Who's the
go to guy?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
That's the question.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Who's the go to guy?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I don't think you have one.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
If you seen the drops man, he had two.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
Tugs on Sunday, that's all I did. He had two
to also he could have had a third. Hey, but
he still still to go to guy by default? But
is that somebody you if you're games on the line
or you go?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Is that what you're doing? Games on the line? You
got one play you have, James, I'm asking you, coach
Atwater right now? Is the line?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Last year?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Any Chiefs to go to the playoffs? What are you
dialing them? You died on something for coon sudden? Yes, okay?
Who got that kind of faith in it? Who else
would you.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Know?
Speaker 4 (16:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You gotta make a decisions.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
You gotta make a decisions.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I mean, I'm probably take time, probably going to stay.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Last year, who was to go to guys? To Russell
Wilson well his son exactly? Why do you think Russell
continued to throw to Courtland last war, trusting him anybody else,
that's right, it's trust the other guy.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
It's a trust our second receiver last year, who's our
second receiver today? There you go, yeah, Jerry Judy.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Okay, But still the whole idea Courland had ten touchdowns.
It hadn't been a Bronco's receiver with ten receiving a touchdown,
and sometimes because we.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Had one target. But Jarry Judy over there and you
knew it was gonna you know it was gonna get dropped.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Look, the idea, the idea of the game, but the
game on the line.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
I would like to think that bo Nicks will find
fourteen before anyone else.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
He's gonna find you, hope.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
So, and I don't want to take any again. I don't.
We're doing this thing where I'm sitting here taking away.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
So I don't want to take anything away from the win,
but that we've got to fix that in order to
win down the stretch. And it's my biggest concern. We'll
celebrate a victory. Look for the Browns, we come back Broncos.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Country tonight, wet blanket, all right, lots of you guys
getting in here on the text line. Some of you
agree with going for the throat. Most of you, though,
think that it was a bad idea to throw. There
should have a run out of pass.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Bad coaching so much for a tough team's gonna run
the ball out, run the clock out. The three all
three says, well, then when you get your head coaching job,
you can make all the calls you want.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Fair two, one four.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I still don't understand why people are advocating playing the
last four minutes and the only possible way you could
lose the game.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
And that's really what my gripe is here, right.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
The only possible way you lose this thing is if
you have incompletions or get intercepted.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Look for me, I'm not advocating for the situation or
play out the way that he did. I was the
execution in the play calling would have been so much
better than it was. But at the end of the day,
those were the plays that coach Champayton called and they
were not executed because it led to the ball being
puttered back to the Raiders. But for me, I hang
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on this is that the one thing that the Broncos
can definitely say about this season.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
There's a couple of things.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
One, the development of bow Is is definitely something that
we should hear in Broncos country be happy and excited about.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah we got a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Right.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
The other thing is that you have a complimentary defense
that if required break in case of emergency, they can
bail you out. AKA, let's half, let's call the Broncos
defense mcgiver right, because that's what they've been doing. That's right,
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exactly the Broncos defense. They have been mcguivra all season
long for this team.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
No, you don't know do that.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
What that means is that all the Broncos need to
do in twenty twenty five is continue to enhance the defense,
make some subtle adjustments offensively, maybe some wide receivers with
some speed, right, and then go out and get some
more running back versatility.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, I think you need to upgrade the running back.
Let me say this too. Just about the end of
the game there.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Against Kssity Chiefs Sean Payton in the offense six minute drive,
they worked that perfect six minute drive?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Okay, is it possible? And I think this is probably the.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Situation that the Raiders had some injuries, you know, defensively,
they weren't supposed to be that great. Of course they
had mass Croub, so they're still gonna be a threat.
But he figured, I can work on some things. I
can get this ball down to feel I can put
some more points on the ball. I understand what you're saying, man,
(20:41):
but I think that maybe we were a little overconfident
in what we could get done.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Fair But you do that in practice. You do that
in a two score games.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
If you got one score of the ball, like I said,
you don't you don't risk it for the biscuit here.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
No, no, no, I got you. But when you think about.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
What you have, uh and what and what this team
has shown throughout the year, I think that you feel
confident that, hey, I didn't do anything and if if
we if we don't score, guess what our defense is going.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
When I with that in Carolina or Atlanta games, But
I'm not finding a one score game on a road.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I'm just not.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Sometimes you gotta put them on the table, all right.
Sometimes you gotta put them on the table. See what
they're working with.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Sometimes they got a machete sitting over there, and years
you might not want to put them on the table.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
He gets cut off. I'm just saying, fine, take sixt
nine year old is the test nine.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I appreciate there's a lot of compliments that I'm not
gonna read them all, but I appreciate some of the
texts coming in. Guys, we got Cleveland Browns coming on
Monday night. Broncos is gonna be wearing the midnight blue uniform.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
With the white helmet.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
By the way, my favorite helm with that white helmet,
it looks like snow cape.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I I love that. Help I do.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I'm worried about Cleveland, man, I'm a little bit more
worried about this one than I think people this is.
I got the same feeling in the back of my
stomach that I had when we were sitting there talking
about Kansas and see you all week and everybody's like, oh, Kansas,
four win.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Team, We're gonna beat them all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Cleon's a better team in their record, and they've gotten
much much better on offense with Jamis Winston in there.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
The style of defense they play is the one that
Bow is the worst against.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Bow carve up his own, but his when he's playing
against man, he struggles a little bit. And that team
is basically a man team.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
They got a four. It's Jim Schwartz defense.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
They're gonna they're gonna bring the front four after you,
and they're gonna play, you know, two deep man under
basically most of the game. Sometimes they'll go zeros and
you know, and come after you a little bit, but
most of the time, it's gonna be four guys coming
at you two deep man under in most scenarios, and
they just dare you to beat you man to man man.
That's it's it's the it's the defense that both struggles
against the most. Now I know most of you are
(22:35):
saying right now, Hey, we lit up Cleveland last year.
We beat him with trap game on the ground, because
that that's how you eat up that front. If they're
gonna send that front at you, that's how you beat him.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
And they did.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
And kudos to Sean Payton for dialing up a heck
of a game play last year offensively. But I am,
I'm worried about this one more than I think that
I should be.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
And you are more about our office or defense, our
offense in this one. The defense, I mean, it's gonna
be good.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
They'll probably Cleveland will get a player two because they
get a player two on everybody. Uh you go look
at the go into the PITTSBURGHA Pittsburgh's good defense. I
got a player two in on him. Look at look
at what Jerry Dudy did the Pittsburgh's defense. So they're
gonna get a few of theirs. Their offense is much
much better with Jamison there.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
That's said. The matchup I'm worried about it is our
offense against their defense. Yeah, well, if this game.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Sets up well, because when you look at the sack
totals on the season, Miles Garrett sits at ten, Nick
Benito sits at ten, so it's a race to get
to the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
And last week you had TJ.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
Watt versus Miles Garrett, and Garrett won that one in
the snow, just his competitive nature, like like the Broncos
got a little I was a little precursor because they
saw Max Crosby.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
But take Max Crosby, maybe his motor, but give it
to a more quicker.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Faster, stronger guy.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
Last season when they Broos face Cleveland, like you said,
there's a lot of trap plays and I did was like, okay, well,
Mike mcglitcher did a great job on Miles Garrett, which
he did, But it just seems as though Miles was
kind of ticked off based on the top last week
from Stellers fans saying that TJ.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Watt is better than he was.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
So I'm sure he's before the season is over, he
wants to be the league in sacks and he's looking
at the Broncos as an opportunity. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
But but but that that guy, Miles, he's built different.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
So the Broncos is gonna have to do a great
job of moving the pocket against Miles Garrett and making
sure that they double team him. And the Broncos tight
ends have not done a great job blocking. Would you
better do it this week?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
We're gonna have to. Yeah, you're gonna have to go
do it this week.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
You're gonna have to have a tight end either scrapeer
you know, in a back in there to chip you
know you're gonna have to do.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
You have to do that in addition to tackle.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Well, that's Davante then, because Davonte is the best blocking
back the Broncos have.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, I feel like you're going to see a lot
of him.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
You may see asked me on early downs, But you're
gonna see a lot more Javante in that game, simply
because you're gonna need him in there to help with
Garrett better run from outside.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
His own Hey, so, so let me ask this question
his metal tight ends. What's happened to tight ends?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
What you mean?
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Well, Greg Dosas is no longer here, So that's what
happened to one type.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Radulstic is in New York. Now he's no, no, no, no,
I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about can we
not throw the ball to them anymore?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Not more.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Nate Akins is the cow's juice of the Broncos offense.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
That's what he is.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
He's diet juice. I just want more? Is it enough?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Do you get enough?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Tight end?
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Uh work? They don't think?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
No, I don't think.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I don't think they're capable of doing what it is
that you need out of them in the I don't.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Want to say that the players are not capable.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I like the look they have not shown. Because the
capability of people. How many times have we have we
targeted them? Though not not that many to me.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
To incorporate the tight ends and the offense, you completely
open up the offense because now you give the second
and third love of defenders something to think about, But
those guys are not really thinking about that, especially when
you look at some of the things that the Broncos
do offensively.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
If you watch Taateman, you study, you can pick up
all the couple.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Of things pre snap.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
To answer your question, by the way, the top targeted
tight end for the Broncos is Adam Troutman with fifteen
total targets on the season.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
And Nate Adkins has more touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
And Nate Atkins has seven total targets and two touchdowns
five receptions, two touchdowns. Adam Troutman has nine receptions on
fifteen targets.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Because was the game when the Broncos getting the red
zone and you see that fullback in the backfield, and
is Nate Atkins most likely Crawl.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
I'm just saying Crawl.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Has been the most efficient on fourteen targets. He has
ten receptions.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Now none of them went for touchdowns, but he's the
one who catches the ball the most one targeted.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
Well, well, what once the game with the tight ends?
You don't have to it doesn't have to be a
barrage of catches for them. It's just getting them involved.
So when a defender sees a tight end, no, don't
want to say, oh yeah, I'm just gonna forget about that. Yes,
oh yeah, he's a non athlete. I'm not even gonna
pay attention to him. Right, You want defenders to now
look at guys because that set up things like for me,
(27:12):
it's sets up things like stick nods, right, why shape right?
All those types of we call those zaarra routs. All
those types of things routes for the tight end.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Right now, the Broncos don't really run those.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
And once again go back to this against Cleveland, You're
not just gonna be able to line up and shotgun.
To me, you're not helping both. You line up in
shotgun majority of the snaps. Thanks for uh sitting there
with us, Steve.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
We are looking forward this Monday night game against Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
What's your uh, what's your big key to this game?
Speaker 3 (27:42):
What the Broncos got to do to win this one? Well,
we know we're gonna have to be physical. We got
to do that every single game. But like you said,
this defense is they got the playmakers over there.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Man. Uh, Jeremiah Owosu, Core Moore, It's correct pronunciation, good
Joe Hey man.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Uh, Shelby Harris coming back to Denver already coming back
from the man come on, Uh, but that defense is tough.
That's where you know, I think our office is gonna
have to We're gonna have to kick it up a notice.
But they've been they've been the office that has been
able to play to whatever level the defense has played at.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
You know, we've been against the Chiefs office. Man, they
stepped it up.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Uh, they met, they met that uh, that same intensity,
and I think, uh, that'll be the same case here.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Just say a physical game will be a physical game,
though both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
The one thing, uh, when they started the season, the uh,
the Browns had Zadarius Smith.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Course he's not there anymore.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
You have seen more out of guys like uh Shelby
in in recent weeks, and and he's he's playing pretty well.
Shelby does have a force pull, He's got a sack
and a half. Uh, he's got a few quarterback hits.
They they get after you. They've got they've got some
some some beef on that defensive line. And then uh,
they haven't really turned anybody over this year though. She's
a kind of a hallmark of what it is that
defense does. They only have two interceptions. You mentioned Osakora
(29:04):
Mora Then's award has a pick as well, but they
really that they don't have any interceptions like they just
they have not been able to cause quarterbacks to to
get intercept.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
That's crazy. Two interceptions where opponents have nine against them.
They do cause a lot of fumbles though, and they
do they do.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
They do chop at you and try to get those fumbles,
so you got to you gotta kind of watch out
for that.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
The one thing that.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
Cleveland does that as a former defensive guy, that I
like is how they mix up their coverages, but also
just how they play men coverage. And as of late,
we've seen bo be able to exploit defenses that are
not able to generate enough pass rush.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
So all those dig routes that come.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
In between the hashes at twelve to fifteen yards, those
routes over the past two weeks have been readily available.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
You go back to the Kansas City game where off.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Guns kind of struggle against Spagnola's press man coverage.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
You're going to see a lot of that in the
Cleveland game.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
Hopefully the Broncos would have gone back and watched not
just the Cleveland game, but the game against Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
What kind of routes can you run? So if you
come up against a team that runs.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
A lot of man coverage, you gotta have man beaters.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
You have to and receivers have to win on certain
downs and it can't be one of these things where
I couldn't get open.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Coach, No, No, I've never seen Rod Smith.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
And Ed McCaffrey come back to the sideline and tell
Mike Sannan, I couldn't get open.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Oh yeah, they say, as a wide receiver, if you
can't beat man.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
And man, you're gonna be watching cars right, washes out right.
But your man beaters typically, I mean it's double move
type stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
You know. We don't have like do we have receiver
seventy pick plays? We run a lot of pick plays.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
A Quid has some man man and manute that was
played against him last week and he was able to
beat it several times.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
And it's really is a matter of the.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Route that called and if the if the quarterback and
received from the same page.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
You know, some of those back shoulder throws, Uh, those
are great plays. Give receiver a chance yeah, uh as
the first rounde concepts go though.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
I mean, like when we were playing Man teams, it
was either you know, we're looking for shallow, We're looking mesh,
We're looking like double China. You know, like we're just
there's some concepts that you just use against Man and
those are seldom used by us, Like the Broncos just
don't use them that much.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
Well not just you know, we're not just talking about
those particular plays, but this would be an excellent game.
And we've seen the Broncos use these a couple of
times this season.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
And when I'm talking about those routes that I call
them like they're.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Like elementary you know, playground routes where you just kind
of get open. It's like, well we're gonna slam a
release one one thousand and two one thousand, just fall
off in coverage and find them. And you can even
get you know, boat drifting to the right, the tie,
the running from right to left, and you throw it
back across the formation because.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
How you're drawing all attention.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
These are the type of plays, but you have to
utilize the tight end in some of those plays as well.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Well. Steve, Steve, I hope you have a good Thanksgiving.
Appreciate you. Appreciate it. Happy Thanksgiving everybody, Broncos Country YEP,
appreciate you joining us. Well we get that big win
on Monday night. We got to take a break. We'll
be back.
Welcome to it Broncos Country tonight. But with all bright
Dick Ferguson, the Hall of Famer, Steve Atwater, Grant Smith,
the mustache man, back behind the class, back there. I'm
still jealous of the thing every time, every time I commandments.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Crushing it.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Five six, six nine zero is the text line Dick
Show tonight. Ryan Michaels can join us. Seven thirty five.
Course we get the NFL six packs. Steve in the studio.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Celebrating a brewing of.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
The Raiders, first time that Broncos has swept the Raiders
since twenty fourteen. But all the talk on social all
the talk in the studio here in between the breaks
about late game clock management from Sean Payton, and I
brought this up with the show yesterday. I didn't want
to be what blanket dude. I said, we'll do one
segment on this, then a month.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I get the.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Positivity, but it's all anybody wants to talk about is
how we throwing the ball in late game situations when
we should be running first off.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Who's been using his mic? This thing sposed like perfume?
Uh maybe Mandy Connell. I don't know, Grant you, I
don't know what.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Me okay, but anyway, I'm there all right. Took a
sharp left. It just feels like bad breaths. So I
don't know who didn't brush your teeth.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
That's just you ben that that hurts. But yeah, running
the ball late game situations.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Three thirty eight, we take fifteen seconds off the clock
three straight incompletions.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
It shouldn't. You should have been running the ball.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Even even negative runs are better than incompletions at that point.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Oh man, Yeah, you gotta got to take some time
off that clock. Man, make them use some of the timeouts.
And I'm sure when they got in the meeting rooms
they looked the like, man, what we what are we
doing here?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It's not the first time though, And that's the thing
I I The thing that bothers me is and Rod
was talking about this before he left out here. You
got a great end game against Kansas City. Now you
didn't finish the field goal got blocked, but you you
worked it down their throats.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Six minute offense, took all that time off the clock.
You've seen it.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
You can do it before.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
And it doesn't matter if the run wasn't working all
game whatever. All that kind of stuff. At the end
of the day, you got three thirty eight and your
enemy and a one score lead. Your enemy is the clock.
You got the lead, already win it. And how you
win it is not throwing three in.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Completions like that.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
On the bright side of things, they could have just
known that Nick Nenita was about to come through again.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Oh my godness, given another opportunity is not a strategy
that did we was last day. I hope it is
not a stretchy. I wouldn't hope it was a fact.
You will HOPO be coming through. But we didn't have
no clue that Darder issue.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Was gonna get hurt all the next play and then
Desi Rider was going to come in and do dismony
Ridder's things.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
We had no clue.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Okay, So what I tried to tell Ben, even though
it may sound Elijah, go to Ben, let us know
about the man and some of the fans.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I told you, sometimes the mad don't be Mathew mad.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
At the same time, what Steve is talking about is
what do fins?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
So both he and I have played defense.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
All I'm saying is for the Broncos and shot paidon
in the offense. The eighth and the hole has always
been the defense all season long. Now hinds out being
twenty twenty. Like Steve said, because you go back in
at the at the facility, look at the family, say well,
you know what, should we have done a couple.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Of things differently?
Speaker 6 (03:26):
All three of those plays were shotgun plays. Right now,
the first play was a fade route to bele bro
By all.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Stretch of the imagination. He was having an awesome game.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
So now, if you want to say, if you look
at all the pass plays, should the pass plays have
been a little more creative, maybe under center with the
threat of running the ball or play action and maybe rpo. Yeah,
you could have done that. But they went three straight
pass plays, pass plays that were incomplete that could have
been executed a lot better.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
And maybe you call it different plays.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I'm not even talking about the design of the plays themselves.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
I'm just don't pass it.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Well.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
If you're gonna pass, you if you have one opportunity
to either do it on a first down and you
do a go shot, you go to a go ball
because nobody's expecting a go ball on first down, or
you do it in second down off play action after
you run the ball on first down.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Hey, hey, let me let's take a let's take a
pause for the pause.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
Was this.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Back up from the view so we could see a
bigger picture?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Bro we just won. Yeah, we got lucky.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
You didn't want to hear that lucky?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, you know, strip sector backup quarterback who happened to
come in because the other guy got hurt, and.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
They still drove.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
They just happened to get hurt. We heard them. They
still drove the ball down in the one yard line.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
By the way, lesson is cut, there's lessons cut.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
They still they.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Still drove the ball down in the one yard line.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
On the next drive after that too, What happened was
that they ran out of time, which they would.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Have already run out of if you run the ball.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Think about that.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Okay, before that synquistic place to the three plays, the
Raiders were inside their own end zone with the potential
to score, and you got passer tam who made a
great play on brock Bauers follow up right after that
by Justice Gernard, who deflected a pass once again. Great defense.
And when your defense is playing like that, could there
(05:15):
be a sense of maybe over confidence that our defense
is gonna pull us out again.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
This is a strong possibility. Oh yeah, it's a strong possibility.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
And could that And I told you this last night
that could have been on the mindset of Sean Payton
worst case scenario, our defense bels is out because at
the end of the day will be constantly hint the.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Worst case scenario, the worst case scenarios.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Seventy six in defense won the game against the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
And I'm off I'm not trying to take anything away
from the players on this one, but I am saying, like,
as a coach, your job is to is to create
the highest percentage situations.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
For your guys. And that was not the highest percentage situation.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
So why don't you say exactly what you really want
to say?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Ben, don't move?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Okay, See you got away with it, but result doesn't
justify process.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
But whatever don't you want to say along with that?
I feel as though there's more you want to get
in your chet. This is this a terrible process, okay?
And I'll tell you what though, you keep doing that
down on a stretching games.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Hang on a second, though, Hang on a second.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
We're up nineteen to sixteen with a fifty nine left.
Guess what they did one, two, three, four, five, six
pass plays A.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Little bit different. You have seven minutes left in the game.
You need to go out there and score. You're down
to three thirty in timeouts. Once you get under four minutes,
once you get down into that amount of time and
that amount of time left.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
But I might number of plays left in the game.
They went down the field to score a touchdown. Cool,
seventy yards. Cool, you're up a score. You got to score. Good,
you've got to score. You got the ball, good, you've.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Got to we throw the ball, run the ball that well,
matter even.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
A negative mark.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
The game.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Celebrate you could look, we get to that. I want
to get to that.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
We celebrate enough for the man talking the celebrates the
largest story he is.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
You guys are arguing.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
For are you're arguing for Kyle Shanahan in twenty eight
three when he was throwing the ball and quarterback could
have knelt the football three times and it would like
the Patriots would not have been able to come back
that it kicked the field going one thirty one three
and then whatever the you know with the papers.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Wait, first of.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
All, I mean, by the way, but that was an
argument in that San Francisco game. Well, if Kyle falcons
his Falcons, I know yes because he was officser coordinator
for for the Falcons. If they keep running the ball,
they're they're great. But here's the thing, and I keep
telling everyone in that game before the play, what was
what were the Falcons doing that Ryan? At that point
(07:49):
they were throwing the ball? Now, if remember, uh Dante
high Taer came off the edge right, and I guess
what was the running back the Davonte.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Avonte Freeman Vonte Freeman.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
Devonte Freeman was offset Steve to the same side as
Davante high Tower. Somehow he couldn't see colored and he
missed him coming off the edge. Well, and guess what
the guess what the Falcons were getting ready to do?
Have another exposed to play. But if the running back
boughs the outside linebacker, We're not having this conversation.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Right, And I agree with it.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
What I'm getting at is philosophically, though Kyle Shannas should
have been throwing a ball at that point they got
down a scoring position, Just run, maximize the clock. This
is the thing that bothers me so much. It's not
just Sean Paige. I see it all over college football.
I see it all over. At the end of the game,
your job is to get that clock from the thirty
you already.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Had the lead.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
You had the lead, and you get the ball. Your
job is to get that clock from three thirty eight
to zero. So that's your job. Now, you know, we
really had me running the ball that way.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Doesn't matter. We just got to face the time off
the clock. It does not.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
You could take negative rushing yard plays and it would
have punted, and it would have been better than three
straight in completions For me.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
I still go back to the fact that if the
Broncos is played from honesty there give give the threat,
the threat won the ball.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
That's the other part of this.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Now I'm talking strictly from a play philosophical standpoint and
run versus past. But we can get in the militia
they should be under center in those poss Yeah, I
should have you know, should.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Have you know what it was? I saw it.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
So then I said, part of the reason that Ben
is so upset about this because Ben doesn't like poor
o' clock management for one, and uh second, he wants to.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Run the ball every single time. We know that from
you know, he had.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
He was coming off a fresh loss of you know.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Army losing to uh Notre.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Dame blowed out.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
It was a loss that was he wasn't a loss.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
That was a beat.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Yeah, he was calem uh him Malayan salty. He's that salty.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
That is a salty sea salt. Yes, saling tear salt
streaking out. But but no, I mean yes, but no,
at the end of the day, your job.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
It's not just the Broncos, though I see it all over.
I see a lot of coaches who don't understand. At
the end of the game, your job is to get
that clock from three thirty eight to zero.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's not add points to the board. Do this, do this.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Your job is to take that clock from three. You
got the lead of the ball. Your job is to
take that clock from three thirty eight and get it
to zero.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
That's your jobs.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Okay, do you feel the reason maybe the Broncos might
have done that? Let me tell something else in because
bowl was sitting on two seventy two, It gets exactly
what it was, and I think they were trying to
get Yes, and we still have that Rookie of the
Year award. Yes, because that's the question. I've been asked
a lot. Did the Broncos in that moment, when they
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could have run the block, have no proof use three
passing plays because they wanted to get bo You might
have no proof, but that is what I lean.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I lean that he was trying to get his guy
his first three hundred yard game. Would it be his
first hundred yard game? I think so?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Did he get three hundred against Aleta? Oh, I think
it would have been his first three undredard game.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I have to go back and look. I'll go back
and look.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
The objective was to get him to three another three
hundred yard game and get him another touchdown and then we'll,
you know, we'll we'll get him in the Rookie of
the Year conversation.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Look how smart I was for drafting him, And.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
I like, I'm just no, that would have been a
second shark because he threw for three or seven against
the Falcons.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Okay, you couldn't run forget to three hundred gainst Falcons.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
But he's still chasing Jayde Daniels in yards. So I
don't know, because they had to have been a possibility.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
But at the end of the day, are we celebrating
a Bronco dove.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
That's what we are, and that's that's the thing. Like,
I don't want to sit here and take away from anything,
but I'm not. I'm trying to look down the stretch.
But that's what we're doing though. I mean, I'm trying
to look down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Now because we got we got games, we're playoff contender now,
and I'm trying to look at process. You're like, you know,
we got things, some things we need to clean up
going down the stretcher. I get what you're saying. You're
gonna lose the good teams doing that.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
You're absolutely right, because down the stretch you need to
be able to run the ball right, and the Broncos
have been been able to run the ball consistently. And
then you can't aligne and shotgun and pistol formation because defensively,
the way I look at that, the first thing I say, well,
that's the passing formation. Could they run it out that formation? Yes,
Now that's a delayed handoff that still gives us enough
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time to play and defend this particular play.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
But the Blancos, I.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Think in the game against the Raiders, I think I
counted six times, six times. Bo Nicks was under center
only six And if I can see that, I'm sure there's.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
A lot of shotguns.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
It's a lot of shotgun.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I'm with you on that.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I just think if this.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Would have been a perfect opportunity to give your guys
confidence that they can go punch it down somebody's throat,
even if they ha run well in a game, it
wouldn't have mattered.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
If you got negative yardage, you punted the ball doing.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Nothing, You took fifteen seconds off the clock and did
nothing at least running.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
If you'd run it three times you got stuffed every time.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
At least you would have either taken two time outs
away from them or gotten a clock to the two
minute warning.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Once again, I don't disapute that that is a possibility,
but I would just try.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
They give you the flip side of the coin say well,
I know I get.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Why, but maybe this was wasn't thinking at the end
of the day for me, And this is the way
I look at the end of the day. It doesn't
matter the line of thinking. Was it the smart thing
of the dumb thing? Did you do the right thing
or did you get away with one?
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Well?
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I think that.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Of course they'll don't.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
They'll look at this and say, like, we gotta, we gotta,
we have a better end game problem because it's not.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It's not. First of all, it's not the first time
Sean Payton's done it. The second of all, I see
it's a it's a common occurrence. I see it in
coaching all the time.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Like there's there are a lot of coaches that do
not understand end game clock management.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
You think they don't understand it, or you think that
they think that they can.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
They have plays and they're playbooks that are going to
work to kind of start having to run the ball.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Why would you do that? Like why, Like.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Answer me the why of that way? I've got this,
I've got this perfect path. Well that part you've got
a perfect class play. Why wouldn't that the past play
you were using to get up forty points on them?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Well, your leading receiver, leading rusher was Juli McGloin. Yes,
seven rushers for forty four yards and.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Tin which came on one play. Right, I'm not saying
it's been good.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
I'm saying it.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Doesn't matter if you even gain yards.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
If you're gonna throw three in completions, it doesn't matter
if you gain you you'd rather take their time outs.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I just wish was he worry somebody was fumble yeh,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
That could have been the man. We don't know.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
I just say that I would have loved for the
play calling to be much better. The fade route to Veley.
You got a taller guy and wide receiver position of
a smaller dB. I get that, you give it to
the dB. The dB made one head of a play
to break that up. Okay, well they got us. Yeah,
now now we run the next play. If you want
to say, go under center and we run the ball
to mill a couple yes, and they'm gonna make a
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decision on third down. Yes, And look, I would have
preferred even the Broncos in that situation, even if it's
even though it's first down and we and the play.
I'm about to tell you they normally run it inside
the red zone on third down, the spread out. I
would have loved to see the sprint because you're moving
the pocket the same way.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
The first thing block to me, you're either running you
get like when you get in that situation, you either
run a go ball on first down, which they did,
or you're running the ball, and then if you're if
you're deciding to pass, you either one of the go
ball on first down or you're running play action. That's
put out play action to the flat on second down
like that.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
That's that's what you do, right, And I know Vela
has some plays that he made in the game, But
if you're going to run that go ball, why don't
you run it?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
To Courtland Suddon, Well, I.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Mean, yeah, it depends on the matchup you get all
you know, the look, you get, delivery, all la kind
of stuff.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I don't I don't care. But Jerry Rice was.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Out of there matched up with anyone honestly a little
bit the.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
All time greatest wide receivers. That's a little different.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Well okay, okay, Well, Ama Saint Brown when when when
you know Jared Damas back then he said, I don't
care who's matched up on Sam Brown.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Guess where I'm going?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
You know a J.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Brown, Guess where they're going.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, Travis Kelsey, guess where they're going. With all due
respect to Courtley, is he that guy?
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Well, you you don't have it, sous, you don't have it.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
So who else on the Broncos Austin that you can
say right now is the number one wide receiver?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
But that I mean that term is nebulous, and like
number one, I mean who's your primary guy?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Let me rephrase it, let me phrase it. Who's the
go to guy?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
That's the question.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Who's the go to guy?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I don't think you have one.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
If you seen the drops man, he had two.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
Tugs on Sunday, that's all I did. He had two
to also he could have had a third. Hey, but
he still still to go to guy by default? But
is that somebody you if you're games on the line
or you go?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Is that what you're doing? Games on the line? You
got one play you have, James, I'm asking you, coach
Atwater right now? Is the line?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Last year?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Any Chiefs to go to the playoffs? What are you
dialing them? You died on something for coon sudden? Yes, okay?
Who got that kind of faith in it? Who else
would you.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Know?
Speaker 4 (16:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You gotta make a decisions.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
You gotta make a decisions.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I mean, I'm probably take time, probably going to stay.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Last year, who was to go to guys? To Russell
Wilson well his son exactly? Why do you think Russell
continued to throw to Courtland last war, trusting him anybody else,
that's right, it's trust the other guy.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
It's a trust our second receiver last year, who's our
second receiver today? There you go, yeah, Jerry Judy.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Okay, But still the whole idea Courland had ten touchdowns.
It hadn't been a Bronco's receiver with ten receiving a touchdown,
and sometimes because we.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Had one target. But Jarry Judy over there and you
knew it was gonna you know it was gonna get dropped.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Look, the idea, the idea of the game, but the
game on the line.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
I would like to think that bo Nicks will find
fourteen before anyone else.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
He's gonna find you, hope.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
So, and I don't want to take any again. I don't.
We're doing this thing where I'm sitting here taking away.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
So I don't want to take anything away from the win,
but that we've got to fix that in order to
win down the stretch. And it's my biggest concern. We'll
celebrate a victory. Look for the Browns, we come back Broncos.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Country tonight, wet blanket, all right, lots of you guys
getting in here on the text line. Some of you
agree with going for the throat. Most of you, though,
think that it was a bad idea to throw. There
should have a run out of pass.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Bad coaching so much for a tough team's gonna run
the ball out, run the clock out. The three all
three says, well, then when you get your head coaching job,
you can make all the calls you want.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Fair two, one four.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I still don't understand why people are advocating playing the
last four minutes and the only possible way you could
lose the game.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
And that's really what my gripe is here, right.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
The only possible way you lose this thing is if
you have incompletions or get intercepted.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Look for me, I'm not advocating for the situation or
play out the way that he did. I was the
execution in the play calling would have been so much
better than it was. But at the end of the day,
those were the plays that coach Champayton called and they
were not executed because it led to the ball being
puttered back to the Raiders. But for me, I hang
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on this is that the one thing that the Broncos
can definitely say about this season.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
There's a couple of things.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
One, the development of bow Is is definitely something that
we should hear in Broncos country be happy and excited about.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah we got a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Right.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
The other thing is that you have a complimentary defense
that if required break in case of emergency, they can
bail you out. AKA, let's half, let's call the Broncos
defense mcgiver right, because that's what they've been doing. That's right,
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exactly the Broncos defense. They have been mcguivra all season
long for this team.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
No, you don't know do that.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
What that means is that all the Broncos need to
do in twenty twenty five is continue to enhance the defense,
make some subtle adjustments offensively, maybe some wide receivers with
some speed, right, and then go out and get some
more running back versatility.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, I think you need to upgrade the running back.
Let me say this too. Just about the end of
the game there.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Against Kssity Chiefs Sean Payton in the offense six minute drive,
they worked that perfect six minute drive?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Okay, is it possible? And I think this is probably the.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Situation that the Raiders had some injuries, you know, defensively,
they weren't supposed to be that great. Of course they
had mass Croub, so they're still gonna be a threat.
But he figured, I can work on some things. I
can get this ball down to feel I can put
some more points on the ball. I understand what you're saying, man,
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but I think that maybe we were a little overconfident
in what we could get done.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Fair But you do that in practice. You do that
in a two score games.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
If you got one score of the ball, like I said,
you don't you don't risk it for the biscuit here.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
No, no, no, I got you. But when you think about.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
What you have, uh and what and what this team
has shown throughout the year, I think that you feel
confident that, hey, I didn't do anything and if if
we if we don't score, guess what our defense is going.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
When I with that in Carolina or Atlanta games, But
I'm not finding a one score game on a road.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I'm just not.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Sometimes you gotta put them on the table, all right.
Sometimes you gotta put them on the table. See what
they're working with.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Sometimes they got a machete sitting over there, and years
you might not want to put them on the table.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
He gets cut off. I'm just saying, fine, take sixt
nine year old is the test nine.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I appreciate there's a lot of compliments that I'm not
gonna read them all, but I appreciate some of the
texts coming in. Guys, we got Cleveland Browns coming on
Monday night. Broncos is gonna be wearing the midnight blue uniform.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
With the white helmet.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
By the way, my favorite helm with that white helmet,
it looks like snow cape.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I I love that. Help I do.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I'm worried about Cleveland, man, I'm a little bit more
worried about this one than I think people this is.
I got the same feeling in the back of my
stomach that I had when we were sitting there talking
about Kansas and see you all week and everybody's like, oh, Kansas,
four win.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Team, We're gonna beat them all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Cleon's a better team in their record, and they've gotten
much much better on offense with Jamis Winston in there.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
The style of defense they play is the one that
Bow is the worst against.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Bow carve up his own, but his when he's playing
against man, he struggles a little bit. And that team
is basically a man team.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
They got a four. It's Jim Schwartz defense.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
They're gonna they're gonna bring the front four after you,
and they're gonna play, you know, two deep man under
basically most of the game. Sometimes they'll go zeros and
you know, and come after you a little bit, but
most of the time, it's gonna be four guys coming
at you two deep man under in most scenarios, and
they just dare you to beat you man to man man.
That's it's it's the it's the defense that both struggles
against the most. Now I know most of you are
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saying right now, Hey, we lit up Cleveland last year.
We beat him with trap game on the ground, because
that that's how you eat up that front. If they're
gonna send that front at you, that's how you beat him.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
And they did.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
And kudos to Sean Payton for dialing up a heck
of a game play last year offensively. But I am,
I'm worried about this one more than I think that
I should be.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
And you are more about our office or defense, our
offense in this one. The defense, I mean, it's gonna
be good.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
They'll probably Cleveland will get a player two because they
get a player two on everybody. Uh you go look
at the go into the PITTSBURGHA Pittsburgh's good defense. I
got a player two in on him. Look at look
at what Jerry Dudy did the Pittsburgh's defense. So they're
gonna get a few of theirs. Their offense is much
much better with Jamison there.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
That's said. The matchup I'm worried about it is our
offense against their defense. Yeah, well, if this game.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Sets up well, because when you look at the sack
totals on the season, Miles Garrett sits at ten, Nick
Benito sits at ten, so it's a race to get
to the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
And last week you had TJ.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
Watt versus Miles Garrett, and Garrett won that one in
the snow, just his competitive nature, like like the Broncos
got a little I was a little precursor because they
saw Max Crosby.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
But take Max Crosby, maybe his motor, but give it
to a more quicker.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Faster, stronger guy.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
Last season when they Broos face Cleveland, like you said,
there's a lot of trap plays and I did was like, okay, well,
Mike mcglitcher did a great job on Miles Garrett, which
he did, But it just seems as though Miles was
kind of ticked off based on the top last week
from Stellers fans saying that TJ.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Watt is better than he was.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
So I'm sure he's before the season is over, he
wants to be the league in sacks and he's looking
at the Broncos as an opportunity. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
But but but that that guy, Miles, he's built different.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
So the Broncos is gonna have to do a great
job of moving the pocket against Miles Garrett and making
sure that they double team him. And the Broncos tight
ends have not done a great job blocking. Would you
better do it this week?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
We're gonna have to. Yeah, you're gonna have to go
do it this week.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
You're gonna have to have a tight end either scrapeer
you know, in a back in there to chip you
know you're gonna have to do.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
You have to do that in addition to tackle.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Well, that's Davante then, because Davonte is the best blocking
back the Broncos have.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, I feel like you're going to see a lot
of him.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
You may see asked me on early downs, But you're
gonna see a lot more Javante in that game, simply
because you're gonna need him in there to help with
Garrett better run from outside.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
His own Hey, so, so let me ask this question
his metal tight ends. What's happened to tight ends?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
What you mean?
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Well, Greg Dosas is no longer here, So that's what
happened to one type.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Radulstic is in New York. Now he's no, no, no, no,
I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about can we
not throw the ball to them anymore?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Not more.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Nate Akins is the cow's juice of the Broncos offense.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
That's what he is.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
He's diet juice. I just want more? Is it enough?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Do you get enough?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Tight end?
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Uh work? They don't think?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
No, I don't think.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I don't think they're capable of doing what it is
that you need out of them in the I don't.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Want to say that the players are not capable.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I like the look they have not shown. Because the
capability of people. How many times have we have we
targeted them? Though not not that many to me.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
To incorporate the tight ends and the offense, you completely
open up the offense because now you give the second
and third love of defenders something to think about, But
those guys are not really thinking about that, especially when
you look at some of the things that the Broncos
do offensively.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
If you watch Taateman, you study, you can pick up
all the couple.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Of things pre snap.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
To answer your question, by the way, the top targeted
tight end for the Broncos is Adam Troutman with fifteen
total targets on the season.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
And Nate Adkins has more touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
And Nate Atkins has seven total targets and two touchdowns
five receptions, two touchdowns. Adam Troutman has nine receptions on
fifteen targets.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Because was the game when the Broncos getting the red
zone and you see that fullback in the backfield, and
is Nate Atkins most likely Crawl.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
I'm just saying Crawl.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Has been the most efficient on fourteen targets. He has
ten receptions.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Now none of them went for touchdowns, but he's the
one who catches the ball the most one targeted.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
Well, well, what once the game with the tight ends?
You don't have to it doesn't have to be a
barrage of catches for them. It's just getting them involved.
So when a defender sees a tight end, no, don't
want to say, oh yeah, I'm just gonna forget about that. Yes,
oh yeah, he's a non athlete. I'm not even gonna
pay attention to him. Right, You want defenders to now
look at guys because that set up things like for me,
(27:12):
it's sets up things like stick nods, right, why shape right?
All those types of we call those zaarra routs. All
those types of things routes for the tight end.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Right now, the Broncos don't really run those.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
And once again go back to this against Cleveland, You're
not just gonna be able to line up and shotgun.
To me, you're not helping both. You line up in
shotgun majority of the snaps. Thanks for uh sitting there
with us, Steve.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
We are looking forward this Monday night game against Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
What's your uh, what's your big key to this game?
Speaker 3 (27:42):
What the Broncos got to do to win this one? Well,
we know we're gonna have to be physical. We got
to do that every single game. But like you said,
this defense is they got the playmakers over there.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Man. Uh, Jeremiah Owosu, Core Moore, It's correct pronunciation, good
Joe Hey man.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Uh, Shelby Harris coming back to Denver already coming back
from the man come on, Uh, but that defense is tough.
That's where you know, I think our office is gonna
have to We're gonna have to kick it up a notice.
But they've been they've been the office that has been
able to play to whatever level the defense has played at.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
You know, we've been against the Chiefs office. Man, they
stepped it up.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Uh, they met, they met that uh, that same intensity,
and I think, uh, that'll be the same case here.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Just say a physical game will be a physical game,
though both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
The one thing, uh, when they started the season, the uh,
the Browns had Zadarius Smith.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Course he's not there anymore.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
You have seen more out of guys like uh Shelby
in in recent weeks, and and he's he's playing pretty well.
Shelby does have a force pull, He's got a sack
and a half. Uh, he's got a few quarterback hits.
They they get after you. They've got they've got some
some some beef on that defensive line. And then uh,
they haven't really turned anybody over this year though. She's
a kind of a hallmark of what it is that
defense does. They only have two interceptions. You mentioned Osakora
(29:04):
Mora Then's award has a pick as well, but they
really that they don't have any interceptions like they just
they have not been able to cause quarterbacks to to
get intercept.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
That's crazy. Two interceptions where opponents have nine against them.
They do cause a lot of fumbles though, and they
do they do.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
They do chop at you and try to get those fumbles,
so you got to you gotta kind of watch out
for that.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
The one thing that.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
Cleveland does that as a former defensive guy, that I
like is how they mix up their coverages, but also
just how they play men coverage. And as of late,
we've seen bo be able to exploit defenses that are
not able to generate enough pass rush.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
So all those dig routes that come.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
In between the hashes at twelve to fifteen yards, those
routes over the past two weeks have been readily available.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
You go back to the Kansas City game where off.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Guns kind of struggle against Spagnola's press man coverage.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
You're going to see a lot of that in the
Cleveland game.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
Hopefully the Broncos would have gone back and watched not
just the Cleveland game, but the game against Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
What kind of routes can you run? So if you
come up against a team that runs.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
A lot of man coverage, you gotta have man beaters.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
You have to and receivers have to win on certain
downs and it can't be one of these things where
I couldn't get open.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Coach, No, No, I've never seen Rod Smith.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
And Ed McCaffrey come back to the sideline and tell
Mike Sannan, I couldn't get open.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Oh yeah, they say, as a wide receiver, if you
can't beat man.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
And man, you're gonna be watching cars right, washes out right.
But your man beaters typically, I mean it's double move
type stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
You know. We don't have like do we have receiver
seventy pick plays? We run a lot of pick plays.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
A Quid has some man man and manute that was
played against him last week and he was able to
beat it several times.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
And it's really is a matter of the.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Route that called and if the if the quarterback and
received from the same page.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
You know, some of those back shoulder throws, Uh, those
are great plays. Give receiver a chance yeah, uh as
the first rounde concepts go though.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
I mean, like when we were playing Man teams, it
was either you know, we're looking for shallow, We're looking mesh,
We're looking like double China. You know, like we're just
there's some concepts that you just use against Man and
those are seldom used by us, Like the Broncos just
don't use them that much.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
Well not just you know, we're not just talking about
those particular plays, but this would be an excellent game.
And we've seen the Broncos use these a couple of
times this season.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
And when I'm talking about those routes that I call
them like they're.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Like elementary you know, playground routes where you just kind
of get open. It's like, well we're gonna slam a
release one one thousand and two one thousand, just fall
off in coverage and find them. And you can even
get you know, boat drifting to the right, the tie,
the running from right to left, and you throw it
back across the formation because.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
How you're drawing all attention.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
These are the type of plays, but you have to
utilize the tight end in some of those plays as well.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Well. Steve, Steve, I hope you have a good Thanksgiving.
Appreciate you. Appreciate it. Happy Thanksgiving everybody, Broncos Country YEP,
appreciate you joining us. Well we get that big win
on Monday night. We got to take a break. We'll
be back.
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