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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
I was actually gonna bring that up and say who is.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
In the lead amongst the people that are eligible for that,
and not merely for myself for self serving purposes, as
I have been known to do at times. So I've
had that on my screen and then it just dumped
on me. So give me just a second, as I
tried to pull that up the leaderboard here so we
could look at who amongst the eligibles I should say,
(00:59):
are eligible for this, and it looks like right now
that listener Paul Welch has a one game lead on
listeners David Zeeman, David Lavalley, and Doug Moss right now
for the Grand prize.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So those are the big four right there.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Uh, as far as that kind of stuff goes, Jose
Archiletta is is one game back of the three d's
there as well. Paul Elch just one hundred and thirty
nine correct on the season, so he is out in front.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
We're gon go right after the ka Commas Ferreld hotline
and bring on our guy, Tim Jenkins. Tim, how are
you doing this evening?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I'm right here.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You know it's another day, another dollar. That's how it goes.
I saw you out there showcasing new hats. Is there
is there new merchandise coming to Jenkins lead? Buddy?
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Don't you get me going? You know, pardon the same.
I want to put it out there on Twitter, but
I'll see it because you know, I gotta I gotta
take care of you. I gotta get you about I
gotta get you a dozen so you can rotate through
them because I know you wear them out, so you know,
we'll get you taken care of. But yeah, we've got
a couple of new hats coming out. I'm so to
let people decide what's cool, because you know how it is,
(02:03):
you start getting little bit older, you lose the eye
for it.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
I'm starting to think so cool and people are telling
me that that's the opposite, right, I'm wearing the mid
high socks and.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
People don't like it. Yea.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
To me, it's like, hey, well I'm old enough now
to not care anymore. But the year you do want
people to like.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
So we're starting to let people vote on.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
There you go, Well that's that's probably a smarter a
smarter movie. Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I still have my original Jenkins Elite hat.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
It used to be white.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Now it's kind of a khaki, a permanent khaki color
maybe a.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Lot around, more like an alarm mill coffee color. It's
picked on turtle, It's picked up some wear tear.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Over the years, but I still I still love my
original Jenkins Elite hat.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I'll be rocking that for now. But you know, the
long sleeve t I could use like a white law Steve.
I'm just putting out there. If you don't like it,
send it right back, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
And speaking of sending it right back, man, the Denver
Bruncles defense was doing that to Jameis Winston here on
Monday Night football, sending it right back, return to center
Nick Bonito House in one.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Uh Yet everybody getting in on the I in T party,
j QWA, McMillan getting in there, and then Cody part
and there at the end.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Is a quarterback who you know has thrown an interception
or two in his time.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
How does one how does one recover from having an
interception party?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yeah, so first and foremost, we are having a staff
call today and everyone pretty much pretty much un amis.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
It was like that was the.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Perfect representation of Jameis Winston right like he's throwing for
like four something touchdowns a bunch of pick sixes. To me,
my favorite part though, is that he's getting up on
the podium and he's he's asking Jesus please deliver me
from these pick sixes, right like not working it.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I mean I love it, I'm not working.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
The other guy say, yeah, I'm just like I'm a
huge frean of it. How do you bounce back? Like, listen,
I don't think. I don't think a guy like Jamis How.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Do I phrase this correctly?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
I don't think a guy like Jamis does. I think
that's I think that's Jameis Winston, right, I think that
is who you when you're putting him under center, that's
who you're getting, which is there are going to be
risks taken with the football. With that being said, they
are also going to be big plays, right, Like, I
think anyone watching the Browns the last few weeks has
(04:12):
quickly realized if they don't play an absolute you know,
a great term, not a not a tremendous human being. Apparently,
how granted a.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Justice, we got to play it out.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
If they didn't play, pay him, play him, play him,
and pay him so much money, they're probably a way
more competitive football team with Jameis Winston under center, right
like we I think a lot of people saw the
Browns coming to town with their record.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
And they thought that Broncos are just gonna walk over them.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Like that's a watching them play, that's a drastically different
football team than you when you watch the Raiders play right.
The Raiders are, They're done, the coach is done. You
can just tell, you can kind of see it and
them and Grant, they gave Kansas City a good game,
but you can see it in them. If you get
them down early, what happens. The Browns aren't that, and
they're not going to be that as long as.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
They have James Winston aren't. To me, it's like, I
don't know, I I think you don't.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Really solve that for him. And then also you look
at it and you go and I and I and
I know you know Riley was out, but you sit
there and you go, man, the Broncos defense is a
good defense, and they came in here and they made
the big plays.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Obviously, you've got Jerry Judy who wants to have a
big game.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
But to me, it's like, you know, I think that's
more or less what you get with jamis you got
to you gotta love the defense.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Stepped up in really big moments, which is.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
You're gonna have to be able to win football games
like that where the defense isn't always bailing up out
on offense and we can kind of return the favor.
I think it was good to see the Broncos win
in another way compared to what we've seen where it's
you know, complimentary on the offensive side and the defense
is really the one stepping up. Where now it's like, okay, hey,
we had a game where you know, we had to
(05:49):
score forty to win and we did it. I think
that really makes you feel even.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Better about this Broncos team.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
You know, Tim, even though statistically both did not kind
of light things up, he did have is a moment
obviously explosive plays. But when you look at the game
on Monday and just that game only in judge it
by itself, you know, what did you see and what
did you come away from the game with?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Yeah, I think Sean hearing Sean kind of I want
to say take accountability over that last interception. I think
is pretty honest from his standpoint, because you're sitting there
and it's like, we've got two options on this route,
this concept. We can either throw that kind of bender,
that kind of deep over, or we can throw the
home run post safety jumps the deep over Like of course, yeah,
(06:34):
we're gonna throw it deep out. The fifty to fifty
guy you're throwing through is Mims not a fifty to
fifty guy, right, we want him more open with his speed,
not necessarily like, hey, here's.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
A jump ball right.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
So to me, it's I thought that one you kind
of isolate you look at the other pick. To me,
it's like, hey, that ball gets batted up. I think
we need to fight down hill a little bit more
as a receiver. I think we need to be friendly
on the endcut. There's some to me, those are the
two where I'm like, I don't want to say I
don't care, but those make more sense to me than
maybe that one. I don't know if you guys remember
he scrambled around and he like throws it up near
(07:05):
the sideline in the red zone, Like, those are the
ones that I think are more concerning to me. But
I think overall, like you know that stick route that
he threw where the dtackle drops underneath it and he
throws it outside shoulder like you you know, it's hard
to explain. I always felt, like, you know, people that
aren't familiar with the game, it's so hard to explain
(07:27):
how limited your vision is over the middle.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Like how much you actually don't.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
See and you're trusting all your reps and the fact
that he either recognized the look and knew that Detackle
was spot dropping or somehow located him. Like, to me,
that's a big time play. No one gets excited about
it because it's a twelve yard gain and it.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Was a six yard yack on just a six yard ball.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
But those are the kind of things that to me,
keep the chains moving, keep this offensifficient to where when
you look at playing meaningful football in December and January,
like the Broncos are doing exciting to me that we're
making those kinds of plays, I think, you know, to
be honest, I thought he played a heck a lot
better games than the stat line indicated. But I do
think like there's a lot to learn from from putting
(08:11):
the ball in harm's way as we start playing against
teams that you know, one or two mistakes is going
to end up costing us the game.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Talk with Tim Jenkins at T Jenkins the lead, Tim,
and let's talk about exciting plays. The fans do get
excited about the ninety three yard touchdown over forty air
yards to Marvin Madams, and you could read it the
whole way.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I mean you could see right off the bat they
were in inverted too.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
How did you like both reading that one and the
placement on the ball there.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Yeah, I mean that was big time.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
And you know, me been with the air yards. I
was getting fired up early in the season. I was
telling the nerves, don't worry about the air yards.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
They're coming, you know, because the thing is, like, you
guys know, I don't. I can't figure out those dang
advanced stats. So to me, it's like, rather than trying
to learn them, I'm just gonna yell at it right,
like an old guy yell at the cloud. So the
air yards, to me, I like you kind of knew
they were coming. He was a great ball thrower. I
think throughout his whole career. What I tell you, though,
(09:04):
is like, dude, what a ball the inverted to like
you said, where they were kind of kicking that corner
back and they were dropping that safety down.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
You would think that safety.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
You know, not that he's responsible for running the middle
right because the backer is.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
But you would think.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
That there's times where you see that guy come screaming
down to be that hook curl defender or that hook
defender and he like contacts that.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Middle read right.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
You see where it's like it's unintentional, but it slows
it up, whether it's true contact or a foot pattern.
So the fact that we ran right through there and
then he just ripped a bullet and you're backed up.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Right, so you're dropping more or less into your end zone.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
That's as good as it gets. And I love seeing
Sean Payton aggressive with the call when you're in the
coming out situation because that's tough.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Usually you know.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
You're more thinking, hey, one or two first downs, we punt,
we changed field position back right, But I mean a
big play that was huge. I think we had a
couple of just to me, the one where they're in
kind of a dash path where he flash fakes and
he sprints out and he hits Courtland Sutton on the
deep over. I love that one because the concept they
had was really designed to go to like we called
(10:09):
it a sale house right where you try to run
that corner you take like you run the corner and
then you take it vertical. It's designed to go to that. Well.
Cleveland had great coverage on it. And then he gets
to his backside progression with Sutton run the deep over,
and I think Sutton looks to me, he looks as
good as he's looked since I've really started covering the
Broncos the last few years, it looks like I mean,
I can't blame him right for not being energized with
(10:30):
some of the guys that have been thrown to him.
But now I've got a dude throwing through him and
he's playing meaningful football, like he looks to me back
to where he was at earlier in his career. And
I was just thinking, Man, I'm excited. I think the Broncos.
I think they're a team that can really make a run.
I think people aren't taking them as seriously as they should.
I still think the national narrative isn't what it is here.
(10:52):
I think here we can start to see how such
special this team is. I think nationally people still feel
like there's this huge gap between the top teams in
the Broncos, and I just don't feel like that because
I see different ways that this team can sneak, you know,
stay stick around and stay competitive, and then if you
can do that, you see, like the Kansas City game,
right we're one field goal block away from beating them.
(11:15):
And then you look at it too, like you know, Baltimore,
you really look at how that game shook out, and
it's like, granted, we got our butts kicked, but you're
on the road and you're kind of like, man, if
these two or three plays go different, this seems a
heck of a lot more competitive going into halftime, and
then I don't think it turns into a route. So
I don't know. I think they're a lot closer than
people give the credit give them credit for. And I think,
(11:35):
you know, some of those big plays like you talked about,
are part of the reason.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Before you came on, Ben.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
And I were talking about the college football rankings that
came out last night, and you know, they have Georgia,
who's kind of been like up and down, they're back
at five. And for me, I know Ben said a
while back, you know, he was talking about Carson Beck,
I want to get your take on it. And for me,
I see Carson be a certain way, not because I'm
(12:02):
I'm a Georgia sed and he currently attends you, ga,
but I just I just want your professional take on
Carson beg because the kid is so up and down,
and luckily Georgia has a lot of talent that could
they can overcome a lot of his mistakes.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yeah, I mean, man, so first and foremost the Coast
Football Playoffs. In me, I'm so pumped up to see
how it shakes out because at different weeks, I'm like
looking at the bracket and I'm thinking of myself, the
five seed might be the best arm seed in the tournament.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Right, you might?
Speaker 4 (12:34):
You might like you might have two great opportunities before
you play another power five. And granted, who knows Bois
can stay could steak up and beat somebody, but I
think Boise I almost want to see that second round
game be a home playoff game too, right, because it's
like that to me would be interesting. You got a
home playoff game, then those by guys get the bye
week guys get another home playoff game, because.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
I'd love to see, like, you know, I'd.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Love to see like a Vama or a Georgia, like
you're saying, have to travel the boy the Idaho. You know,
I just think that'd be exciting. But Carson Beck, so
here's what I tell you. I think if you'd have
told me last year, two years.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Ago, hey, how long he's been in college, all that stuff,
I probably would have thought that was a knob.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Seeing what Bo's doing I think actually helps Carson's case
because Bo had so many darn college starts and you
kind of come in. It seems like the NFL not
as big of an adjustment as is for some of
these guys who didn't have as.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Many college starts.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
So I think that plays the Carson backs advantage. You
know as a scene in Moneyball right where they say, hey,
he's got an ugly girlfriend, They go, hey, what does
that mean? No confidence?
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Right?
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Well, you did want to have a lyricchicks, so you
got to think, hey.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
He's got a little bit of confidence, right, that's a
good thing for him.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
But I think like ultimately some of these sec quarterbacks nigu,
I just think the truth is you can't tell, Like
you turn on his tape, you're not going to see
a bunch of tight window, big time froze and it's hard.
Do you penalize the kid because he's got a receiver
outside who creates a ton of separation, or do you
you know, hey, say hey, so many throw Like I
(14:00):
think he's a tough eval his physical traits aren't nearly
good enough where I think an NFL team's going to
actually get in trouble taking him So to me, I
look at him as one of those guys who I
think you've ended up going so late from a positional
value standpoint that you could probably take him because it's
not like you're having to trade up and take him
in the top three, right like, you know, I think
(14:21):
that's where teams can really find it. I mean, listen, shoot,
look at san Fran. If Sam Fran doesn't look out
and snag and Brock Purdy at the end, you know,
John Lynch and doesn't have a job anymore because he
traded the He traded everything for Trey Lance, who now
can't even be out Cooper Rush, you know. So to me,
it's like, I think he's a safe pick because just
(14:42):
you know, I haven't seen him get run up the
draft board yet. Now listen, if you were like.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Hey, is he a top ten pick, I'd say no shot.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
But if you're sitting there and you're saying, you know,
can you get him later? I think there's an argument
to be had. And I think a lot of it's
based on what I think we're seeing from some of
these more experienced college guys and they finally get the
reins in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah, I think there's something to getting your reps or
at least the pendulum swinging back to that rather than
drafting these guys that are uber young like you know,
like Trey Lance or Anthony Richardson that that are they're
super super young and raw. Uh, and then they get
guys in trouble that are trying to develop them. Because
if you're trying to develop a guy while you develop
them for the next guy.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Yeah, there's no doubt. That's the thing that's crazy about it. Right.
If you sit there and you go and then you know,
you guys know that the pressure from not only the
fan base but probably everyone to play these guys early, right,
and then you sit there and it's it's just hard.
I think, you know, I just think it's it's hard.
Right now, it's not a developmental business. And the sad
(15:41):
you know, not you know my doatbox, but the sad
thing I think for quarterback play is we're starting to
see it not be a developmental business at the college
level too. Right, You're we're seeing more portal quarterbacks and
we're seeing take them out of high school, give them
a year in your system. Right, We're seeing that and
you know, the day to day business that I'm running,
it's like you're seeing it way more where if you're
(16:02):
not a top fifty kid, you're not getting a real
major D one offer. We have kids that to me
are better than kids we've had that are e leite
eleven kids got offered by every SEC school coming.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Out of Colorado. I've got kids better than that.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
That are going to the SCS level now. And it's
just because you know, hey, sorry, we're taking these these
portal kids because guess what if we don't win, we're out.
And I can't wait for this, you know, seventeen year
old kid to develop. So to me, it's gonna be
interesting to see what happens with quarterbacks. What I'm fearful
of is we continue down this path of kind of
every level is not developmental, and then we'll just keep
seeing what we see, which is there's ten probably quarterbacks
(16:36):
you can win with. Then there's another twenty that you
have to pay as if you could win with them,
and it just creates this situation where you're paying a
guy who you probably can't win strictly because of him,
but you're paying him sixty million dollars, so you've got
no more cap spake us and then you're just.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
You can't go and do it.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
You know, like there's not that many Josh Allen's walking
around where it seems more or less like you can
kind of get rid of some.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Pieces, pay him and he's gonna be okay.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Right, there's not that many dudes, and there's a lot
of guys like you know. I don't want to throw
any shade at Kirk Cousins because I think he's a
heck of a quarterback, but when you talk about it
from where you have to pay him market wise, the
conversations just tough.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Well, Tim, we appreciate it as always.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Look forward to chat with you again here soon and
bitcoin top to Hunter care tonight.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I hope you got a little bit cooin there, buddy?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Should I should? I shouldn't have turned down that guy.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
He's had to pay me a bitcoin when I first
started out. I keep grinding.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
We gotta keep grinding here. We got to hit a
commercial break. We'll be back Broncos Country to night after
this
We didn't get a text here from the three to five,
and I'll get to that one here in just a minute.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
From Stacy from Utah.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
That's have you even tried Carrey Cake Bro That's who
originally brought that one the ukwait prop pick them challenges
back as football season.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
It's presented by Verizon.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
You guys can sign up today and to make we could
pick kacolor dot com weekly winns get a two hundred
dollar Masscard gift card. Grand prize winner gets a thousand
dollars Masscard gift card. Probably not gonna win the grand
prize now because we got enough of the seasons happening,
but you could still sign up and get a two
hundred dollars MasterCard gift card just by signing up. It's
Courtsy Averrizon, presented by Verizon, the official five G network
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
I was actually gonna bring that up and say who is.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
In the lead amongst the people that are eligible for that,
and not merely for myself for self serving purposes, as
I have been known to do at times. So I've
had that on my screen and then it just dumped
on me. So give me just a second, as I
tried to pull that up the leaderboard here so we
could look at who amongst the eligibles I should say,
(00:59):
are eligible for this, and it looks like right now
that listener Paul Welch has a one game lead on
listeners David Zeeman, David Lavalley, and Doug Moss right now
for the Grand prize.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So those are the big four right there.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Uh, as far as that kind of stuff goes, Jose
Archiletta is is one game back of the three d's
there as well. Paul Elch just one hundred and thirty
nine correct on the season, so he is out in front.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
We're gon go right after the ka Commas Ferreld hotline
and bring on our guy, Tim Jenkins. Tim, how are
you doing this evening?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I'm right here.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You know it's another day, another dollar. That's how it goes.
I saw you out there showcasing new hats. Is there
is there new merchandise coming to Jenkins lead? Buddy?
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Don't you get me going? You know, pardon the same.
I want to put it out there on Twitter, but
I'll see it because you know, I gotta I gotta
take care of you. I gotta get you about I
gotta get you a dozen so you can rotate through
them because I know you wear them out, so you know,
we'll get you taken care of. But yeah, we've got
a couple of new hats coming out. I'm so to
let people decide what's cool, because you know how it is,
(02:03):
you start getting little bit older, you lose the eye
for it.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
I'm starting to think so cool and people are telling
me that that's the opposite, right, I'm wearing the mid
high socks and.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
People don't like it. Yea.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
To me, it's like, hey, well I'm old enough now
to not care anymore. But the year you do want
people to like.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
So we're starting to let people vote on.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
There you go, Well that's that's probably a smarter a
smarter movie. Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I still have my original Jenkins Elite hat.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
It used to be white.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Now it's kind of a khaki, a permanent khaki color
maybe a.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Lot around, more like an alarm mill coffee color. It's
picked on turtle, It's picked up some wear tear.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Over the years, but I still I still love my
original Jenkins Elite hat.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I'll be rocking that for now. But you know, the
long sleeve t I could use like a white law Steve.
I'm just putting out there. If you don't like it,
send it right back, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
And speaking of sending it right back, man, the Denver
Bruncles defense was doing that to Jameis Winston here on
Monday Night football, sending it right back, return to center
Nick Bonito House in one.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Uh Yet everybody getting in on the I in T party,
j QWA, McMillan getting in there, and then Cody part
and there at the end.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Is a quarterback who you know has thrown an interception
or two in his time.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
How does one how does one recover from having an
interception party?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yeah, so first and foremost, we are having a staff
call today and everyone pretty much pretty much un amis.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
It was like that was the.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Perfect representation of Jameis Winston right like he's throwing for
like four something touchdowns a bunch of pick sixes. To me,
my favorite part though, is that he's getting up on
the podium and he's he's asking Jesus please deliver me
from these pick sixes, right like not working it.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I mean I love it, I'm not working.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
The other guy say, yeah, I'm just like I'm a
huge frean of it. How do you bounce back? Like, listen,
I don't think. I don't think a guy like Jamis How.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Do I phrase this correctly?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
I don't think a guy like Jamis does. I think
that's I think that's Jameis Winston, right, I think that
is who you when you're putting him under center, that's
who you're getting, which is there are going to be
risks taken with the football. With that being said, they
are also going to be big plays, right, Like, I
think anyone watching the Browns the last few weeks has
(04:12):
quickly realized if they don't play an absolute you know,
a great term, not a not a tremendous human being. Apparently,
how granted a.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Justice, we got to play it out.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
If they didn't play, pay him, play him, play him,
and pay him so much money, they're probably a way
more competitive football team with Jameis Winston under center, right
like we I think a lot of people saw the
Browns coming to town with their record.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
And they thought that Broncos are just gonna walk over them.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Like that's a watching them play, that's a drastically different
football team than you when you watch the Raiders play right.
The Raiders are, They're done, the coach is done. You
can just tell, you can kind of see it and
them and Grant, they gave Kansas City a good game,
but you can see it in them. If you get
them down early, what happens. The Browns aren't that, and
they're not going to be that as long as.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
They have James Winston aren't. To me, it's like, I
don't know, I I think you don't.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Really solve that for him. And then also you look
at it and you go and I and I and
I know you know Riley was out, but you sit
there and you go, man, the Broncos defense is a
good defense, and they came in here and they made
the big plays.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Obviously, you've got Jerry Judy who wants to have a
big game.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
But to me, it's like, you know, I think that's
more or less what you get with jamis you got
to you gotta love the defense.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Stepped up in really big moments, which is.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
You're gonna have to be able to win football games
like that where the defense isn't always bailing up out
on offense and we can kind of return the favor.
I think it was good to see the Broncos win
in another way compared to what we've seen where it's
you know, complimentary on the offensive side and the defense
is really the one stepping up. Where now it's like, okay, hey,
we had a game where you know, we had to
(05:49):
score forty to win and we did it. I think
that really makes you feel even.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Better about this Broncos team.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
You know, Tim, even though statistically both did not kind
of light things up, he did have is a moment
obviously explosive plays. But when you look at the game
on Monday and just that game only in judge it
by itself, you know, what did you see and what
did you come away from the game with?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Yeah, I think Sean hearing Sean kind of I want
to say take accountability over that last interception. I think
is pretty honest from his standpoint, because you're sitting there
and it's like, we've got two options on this route,
this concept. We can either throw that kind of bender,
that kind of deep over, or we can throw the
home run post safety jumps the deep over Like of course, yeah,
(06:34):
we're gonna throw it deep out. The fifty to fifty
guy you're throwing through is Mims not a fifty to
fifty guy, right, we want him more open with his speed,
not necessarily like, hey, here's.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
A jump ball right.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
So to me, it's I thought that one you kind
of isolate you look at the other pick. To me,
it's like, hey, that ball gets batted up. I think
we need to fight down hill a little bit more
as a receiver. I think we need to be friendly
on the endcut. There's some to me, those are the
two where I'm like, I don't want to say I
don't care, but those make more sense to me than
maybe that one. I don't know if you guys remember
he scrambled around and he like throws it up near
(07:05):
the sideline in the red zone, Like, those are the
ones that I think are more concerning to me. But
I think overall, like you know that stick route that
he threw where the dtackle drops underneath it and he
throws it outside shoulder like you you know, it's hard
to explain. I always felt, like, you know, people that
aren't familiar with the game, it's so hard to explain
(07:27):
how limited your vision is over the middle.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Like how much you actually don't.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
See and you're trusting all your reps and the fact
that he either recognized the look and knew that Detackle
was spot dropping or somehow located him. Like, to me,
that's a big time play. No one gets excited about
it because it's a twelve yard gain and it.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Was a six yard yack on just a six yard ball.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
But those are the kind of things that to me,
keep the chains moving, keep this offensifficient to where when
you look at playing meaningful football in December and January,
like the Broncos are doing exciting to me that we're
making those kinds of plays, I think, you know, to
be honest, I thought he played a heck a lot
better games than the stat line indicated. But I do
think like there's a lot to learn from from putting
(08:11):
the ball in harm's way as we start playing against
teams that you know, one or two mistakes is going
to end up costing us the game.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Talk with Tim Jenkins at T Jenkins the lead, Tim,
and let's talk about exciting plays. The fans do get
excited about the ninety three yard touchdown over forty air
yards to Marvin Madams, and you could read it the
whole way.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I mean you could see right off the bat they
were in inverted too.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
How did you like both reading that one and the
placement on the ball there.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Yeah, I mean that was big time.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
And you know, me been with the air yards. I
was getting fired up early in the season. I was
telling the nerves, don't worry about the air yards.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
They're coming, you know, because the thing is, like, you
guys know, I don't. I can't figure out those dang
advanced stats. So to me, it's like, rather than trying
to learn them, I'm just gonna yell at it right,
like an old guy yell at the cloud. So the
air yards, to me, I like you kind of knew
they were coming. He was a great ball thrower. I
think throughout his whole career. What I tell you, though,
(09:04):
is like, dude, what a ball the inverted to like
you said, where they were kind of kicking that corner
back and they were dropping that safety down.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
You would think that safety.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
You know, not that he's responsible for running the middle
right because the backer is.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
But you would think.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
That there's times where you see that guy come screaming
down to be that hook curl defender or that hook
defender and he like contacts that.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Middle read right.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
You see where it's like it's unintentional, but it slows
it up, whether it's true contact or a foot pattern.
So the fact that we ran right through there and
then he just ripped a bullet and you're backed up.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Right, so you're dropping more or less into your end zone.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
That's as good as it gets. And I love seeing
Sean Payton aggressive with the call when you're in the
coming out situation because that's tough.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Usually you know.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
You're more thinking, hey, one or two first downs, we punt,
we changed field position back right, But I mean a
big play that was huge. I think we had a
couple of just to me, the one where they're in
kind of a dash path where he flash fakes and
he sprints out and he hits Courtland Sutton on the
deep over. I love that one because the concept they
had was really designed to go to like we called
(10:09):
it a sale house right where you try to run
that corner you take like you run the corner and
then you take it vertical. It's designed to go to that. Well.
Cleveland had great coverage on it. And then he gets
to his backside progression with Sutton run the deep over,
and I think Sutton looks to me, he looks as
good as he's looked since I've really started covering the
Broncos the last few years, it looks like I mean,
I can't blame him right for not being energized with
(10:30):
some of the guys that have been thrown to him.
But now I've got a dude throwing through him and
he's playing meaningful football, like he looks to me back
to where he was at earlier in his career. And
I was just thinking, Man, I'm excited. I think the Broncos.
I think they're a team that can really make a run.
I think people aren't taking them as seriously as they should.
I still think the national narrative isn't what it is here.
(10:52):
I think here we can start to see how such
special this team is. I think nationally people still feel
like there's this huge gap between the top teams in
the Broncos, and I just don't feel like that because
I see different ways that this team can sneak, you know,
stay stick around and stay competitive, and then if you
can do that, you see, like the Kansas City game,
right we're one field goal block away from beating them.
(11:15):
And then you look at it too, like you know, Baltimore,
you really look at how that game shook out, and
it's like, granted, we got our butts kicked, but you're
on the road and you're kind of like, man, if
these two or three plays go different, this seems a
heck of a lot more competitive going into halftime, and
then I don't think it turns into a route. So
I don't know. I think they're a lot closer than
people give the credit give them credit for. And I think,
(11:35):
you know, some of those big plays like you talked about,
are part of the reason.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Before you came on, Ben.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
And I were talking about the college football rankings that
came out last night, and you know, they have Georgia,
who's kind of been like up and down, they're back
at five. And for me, I know Ben said a
while back, you know, he was talking about Carson Beck,
I want to get your take on it. And for me,
I see Carson be a certain way, not because I'm
(12:02):
I'm a Georgia sed and he currently attends you, ga,
but I just I just want your professional take on
Carson beg because the kid is so up and down,
and luckily Georgia has a lot of talent that could
they can overcome a lot of his mistakes.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yeah, I mean, man, so first and foremost the Coast
Football Playoffs. In me, I'm so pumped up to see
how it shakes out because at different weeks, I'm like
looking at the bracket and I'm thinking of myself, the
five seed might be the best arm seed in the tournament.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Right, you might?
Speaker 4 (12:34):
You might like you might have two great opportunities before
you play another power five. And granted, who knows Bois
can stay could steak up and beat somebody, but I
think Boise I almost want to see that second round
game be a home playoff game too, right, because it's
like that to me would be interesting. You got a
home playoff game, then those by guys get the bye
week guys get another home playoff game, because.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
I'd love to see, like, you know, I'd.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Love to see like a Vama or a Georgia, like
you're saying, have to travel the boy the Idaho. You know,
I just think that'd be exciting. But Carson Beck, so
here's what I tell you. I think if you'd have
told me last year, two years.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Ago, hey, how long he's been in college, all that stuff,
I probably would have thought that was a knob.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Seeing what Bo's doing I think actually helps Carson's case
because Bo had so many darn college starts and you
kind of come in. It seems like the NFL not
as big of an adjustment as is for some of
these guys who didn't have as.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Many college starts.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
So I think that plays the Carson backs advantage. You
know as a scene in Moneyball right where they say, hey,
he's got an ugly girlfriend, They go, hey, what does
that mean? No confidence?
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Right?
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Well, you did want to have a lyricchicks, so you
got to think, hey.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
He's got a little bit of confidence, right, that's a
good thing for him.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
But I think like ultimately some of these sec quarterbacks nigu,
I just think the truth is you can't tell, Like
you turn on his tape, you're not going to see
a bunch of tight window, big time froze and it's hard.
Do you penalize the kid because he's got a receiver
outside who creates a ton of separation, or do you
you know, hey, say hey, so many throw Like I
(14:00):
think he's a tough eval his physical traits aren't nearly
good enough where I think an NFL team's going to
actually get in trouble taking him So to me, I
look at him as one of those guys who I
think you've ended up going so late from a positional
value standpoint that you could probably take him because it's
not like you're having to trade up and take him
in the top three, right like, you know, I think
(14:21):
that's where teams can really find it. I mean, listen, shoot,
look at san Fran. If Sam Fran doesn't look out
and snag and Brock Purdy at the end, you know,
John Lynch and doesn't have a job anymore because he
traded the He traded everything for Trey Lance, who now
can't even be out Cooper Rush, you know. So to me,
it's like, I think he's a safe pick because just
(14:42):
you know, I haven't seen him get run up the
draft board yet. Now listen, if you were like.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Hey, is he a top ten pick, I'd say no shot.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
But if you're sitting there and you're saying, you know,
can you get him later? I think there's an argument
to be had. And I think a lot of it's
based on what I think we're seeing from some of
these more experienced college guys and they finally get the
reins in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah, I think there's something to getting your reps or
at least the pendulum swinging back to that rather than
drafting these guys that are uber young like you know,
like Trey Lance or Anthony Richardson that that are they're
super super young and raw. Uh, and then they get
guys in trouble that are trying to develop them. Because
if you're trying to develop a guy while you develop
them for the next guy.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Yeah, there's no doubt. That's the thing that's crazy about it. Right.
If you sit there and you go and then you know,
you guys know that the pressure from not only the
fan base but probably everyone to play these guys early, right,
and then you sit there and it's it's just hard.
I think, you know, I just think it's it's hard.
Right now, it's not a developmental business. And the sad
(15:41):
you know, not you know my doatbox, but the sad
thing I think for quarterback play is we're starting to
see it not be a developmental business at the college
level too. Right, You're we're seeing more portal quarterbacks and
we're seeing take them out of high school, give them
a year in your system. Right, We're seeing that and
you know, the day to day business that I'm running,
it's like you're seeing it way more where if you're
(16:02):
not a top fifty kid, you're not getting a real
major D one offer. We have kids that to me
are better than kids we've had that are e leite
eleven kids got offered by every SEC school coming.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Out of Colorado. I've got kids better than that.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
That are going to the SCS level now. And it's
just because you know, hey, sorry, we're taking these these
portal kids because guess what if we don't win, we're out.
And I can't wait for this, you know, seventeen year
old kid to develop. So to me, it's gonna be
interesting to see what happens with quarterbacks. What I'm fearful
of is we continue down this path of kind of
every level is not developmental, and then we'll just keep
seeing what we see, which is there's ten probably quarterbacks
(16:36):
you can win with. Then there's another twenty that you
have to pay as if you could win with them,
and it just creates this situation where you're paying a
guy who you probably can't win strictly because of him,
but you're paying him sixty million dollars, so you've got
no more cap spake us and then you're just.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
You can't go and do it.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
You know, like there's not that many Josh Allen's walking
around where it seems more or less like you can
kind of get rid of some.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Pieces, pay him and he's gonna be okay.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Right, there's not that many dudes, and there's a lot
of guys like you know. I don't want to throw
any shade at Kirk Cousins because I think he's a
heck of a quarterback, but when you talk about it
from where you have to pay him market wise, the
conversations just tough.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Well, Tim, we appreciate it as always.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Look forward to chat with you again here soon and
bitcoin top to Hunter care tonight.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I hope you got a little bit cooin there, buddy?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Should I should? I shouldn't have turned down that guy.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
He's had to pay me a bitcoin when I first
started out. I keep grinding.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
We gotta keep grinding here. We got to hit a
commercial break. We'll be back Broncos Country to night after
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