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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's been all Brian Nick Ferguson Zach Seekers back there
behind the glass tonight Thursday Night Football editioned Lions Packers.
I'm on the Lions in the oder of you're the
Packers in the over Nick Ferson, we're at odds.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, I like what I see from the Green Bay Packers.
And for me, you know what I am in full transparency.
If you didn't know, I'm a defensive first type of guy,
he had no clue.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I I just had no clue that you favored the
defense I do.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Because, as it's saying, traditionally goes defense with championships, do
they not.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
That's the other play is something that people.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Say, well, well, that's not just what people say, it
is in fact true. Man.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
To be totally honest, that's fair. People say I'm handsome
all the time, and that is also in fact true.
Whatever people say, it's definitely true. We would check and
say it must be true.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Well, you know what, I like what my guy, Jeff
Hapley worked with San Francisco with He's done a great
job as a defensive coordinator for the Green May Packers.
And if you go back to the first meeting between
these two teams, it was very interesting.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
The Lion has beat the Packers at home by ten points,
but still in that game, Jared Golf didn't really perform
that well because it was just kind of a running
back show and Leaman Saint Bron obviously you got to
find him and stop him. But I think you know,
this particular game is going to be a little different.
The Packers know kind of what's at stake with them
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chasing the Detroit Lions right now sitting at nine to three,
and Detroit I believe he's sitting at ten and two.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
So this is a very important game for the Packers.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
And this is where your defense and your run game
definitely has to stand up. And for me, I picked
the Packers because I feel.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
That they'll do it tonight. All right, I'm I'm certainly
interested to see it. I'm on the Lions and I'm
on the under I feel like this is going to
be a run game. I think you're gonna see a
big game out of Josh Jacobs. I think you're gonna
see big game out at Smyr Gibbs and Montgomery for
the Lions. And I think that's my design for the
Lions because they're decimated by injury. Right now, the defense
is at what it was when it started the season.
So I still believe in the Lions. I believe in
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Dan Campbell and these games, you know, these sees, these
division games tend to be lower scoring than people things.
I don't know, Maybe I'm off on the pulse of
this one. Lord knows. I thought the Cleveland game was
going to be close, but I thought it was being
low scoring and close, not a shootout. So you know
I've been wrong before, I'll be wrong again, and you
know we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So I know how you feel about anything relative to Love,
so please cover your ears on this.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Jordan Love did a great job.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Last time he did throw any touchdowns. He was twenty
three or thirty nine for toy seventy three yards and interception,
And for me it's like, well, he wants to redeem
himself from that last showing, and Jaden Reid has proven
to be his go to guys. So I do give
a little previous to what you're saying about this is going.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
To be a running game.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
But right now, whether the Detroit Lions are they for me,
in my opinion, they are not billed to be in
a shootout. The bill to get the lead, run the ball,
maintain lead, get the lead, and keep it. Something just
out of the Benjamin all Bright Book of Football.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I love the knee biding, I love the ankle biting,
I love the neecap or I'm a dead Campbell fan,
but yeah, that is the premise of what Detroit wants
to do is get a lead on you and they
put it to you. They don't want to play from behind.
We've seen what happens when they have to play from behind.
We all watched your golf go full Nathan Peterman in
that game earlier this year. What was it the sixth interception?
Ryanford Patrick was like, man, we're getting close to my territory.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Somebody put the kids to bed in that Texan game.
It was it was what was crazy about that game.
I mean, golf through five or six interceptions in that
game in just in Texas and they still out the
way to win. And going back to Dan Campbell and
the ankle biding and kneecaps or whatever, his team actually
believes in it that culture that every coach comes in
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and said, well, they are trying to pound with their
team to kind of get build that cohesiveness.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
They've done it in a short period of time.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
This is why there is a belief that the Detroit
Lions are the team to be and could be facing
I don't know whomever from the AFC and for the
Super Bowl in New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, I think. And that is the thing. Dan Campbell
came into a franchise that had no culture. It's a
place where careers went to die, you know. I mean,
let's let's be honest here. Calvin Johnson retired rather than
continue to play for the Lions. Perry Sanders retired rather
than continue to play for the Lions. So you're about
that Stafford wanted to trade to get out of that.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
How bad do you have to be as an organization
when some of your most historic Hall of Fame players
are just saying, you know what, man, I'm out.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I'd have to be out the game. Yes, they continue
to play for this organization they love and man, he
has come in and absolutely chased it. And it's so
funny because everybody in Detroit, or excuse me, everybody in
the media made fun of Detroit for hiring Dan kamp
I was one of those guys. Get the majority of media,
overwhelming majority of media made fun of. I don't think
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I made fun of I think I was like, well,
wait a minute, why did they pass on? Oh who
was it they passed on? Now I can't remember who
it was, but they passed on somebody to hire him,
and I can't remember who it was. To save my life,
now I have to go back and look. I was like,
i don't know why they passed on this, but I'm
gonna give it a chance to see if it works out.
And he came out and then you had the ankle
bider comments and he capped comments whatever it was, and man,
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they were merciless. People were up and down up in ours.
This meatthead. This this all it's good. And I'm like,
you know what I mean, they have a point because
these are kind of meat head comments. But at the
same time, like the way that he's doing this, I'm
watching him and I'm like, this is gonna play real
well in the locker room though, Like this is gonna
absolutely media. That's good. That's the most important thing.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
When it is when individuals go to interview for these
head coaching jobs with owners, what are you trying to
tap into?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
First and foremost, you're trying to check all.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
The boxes of what you think that owner actually wants
you to say. But Dan Campbell was genuinely himself and
I think that's the thing that got him the job,
because understanding the job of your head coach is not
just to delegate responsibilities to the coaching staff and be
that guy in front of the media doing all the interviews.
Can you motivate guys and known as though Dan Campbell
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was a former player himself, playing I believe the tight
end position, and for him to go up there and
say the things that he said, no one anticipated that.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
We've never had a coach to go.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Up and save those types of gain if we've had
the Bill Belichick's of.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
The world right who would say very little. And I
think that's part of the thing. I think people expect
a certain level of polish in dealing with the media
and that persona and Dan Campbell's just authentically himself at
all times. We saw it with another coach who they
said was going to flame out real quick and he's
been pretty successful for so far, and it's John Gannon.
You know, they were making fun of that hiring. They
were making fun of the stuff he was saying in
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media and then Lowen B. Hall. Look at the Arizona Cardinals. Man,
they're pretty good football team.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
See, it's about authenticity for me because obviously, when you
interview for God for a job like that, you're thinking,
I got to be button up, I got to be
straightened up, and my English has to be like you
know the King James English from London or whatever you
have it.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
But it's like no, I mean, you want real.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
People who can stand up there and give real talks
to their players, because players can pick out an individual
who is putting up a facade.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I don't want that coach.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I want to coach that is going to keep it
one hundred with me. This is why regarding I've had
several coaches and I love them all. But this is
why I love Bill Parcels because you know where you
stand and it's not one of these things that we
see in NFL circles or in professional sports. We're gonna
treat everyone fair but not equal. No, no, no, when
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it comes to being equal, That's how Parcels is going
to handle Now. It's gonna be with a little fear
associated with it.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Get you to do your job and see if you're
about that life, But at the.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Same time, you knew where you stood, and Dan Campbell
is kind of one of those guys. And you also too,
you know, my dude, Aaron Glynn, Aaron Glenn interview for
a head coaching job here.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I'm happy to see two former players. That's the biggest
thing for me. Both those coordinators are gonna get interviews.
As psychoay, I would not be surprised to see Aaron
Glenn wind up as the next head coach in Orlands.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Say, you know what, I wanted to be surprised either,
because both he and Dan Campbell actually coached down there
under Sean Payton, and Sean Payton would definitely be an
advocate for both of those guys.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
But for me as as a.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Former player and knowing, you know, going through these coaching
circles and hearing what players are not and how players
don't want to work, which is a bunch of baloney.
But to watch two former players do what they're doing,
that says a lot and hopefully opens the door for.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
More former players. Yeah, and you love to see that
that part of it, because you're seeing some of those
guys start to see see is it whereas you know
in in years past. It has been a shy away
from that in a lot of ways because all their
meatheads and you know they don't. You start to see
those guys succeed, especially guys like Dan Campbell who are
not sitting there. Dan Campbell's not in exceson. I'm using
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air quotes here and exces and hose guy. I mean
he is, but that's not what he is. He's a
CEO type head coach uh there for the Detroit Lions.
He's a motivator, he's a he's a you know, he's
a player's coach with that kind of stuff, and he
lets Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn run the offense and
the defense. As a matter of fact, Ben Johnson wasn't even
the original OC he hired. It was Anthony Lynn was
his original OCI. I want to think about what you're
saying right now.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Ansel later reminded me and took me on a forty
five minute trip to Boulder. Why why is that Coach
Prime is a former player?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Right?
Speaker 1 (09:44):
What is he?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
What is he? And I hear people on the East
Coast texting me every game saying, well, coach.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Prime doesn't know exces and hose. Yeah, that's not his job.
That's not it's not that's not his job.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
His job is to delegate to say, Hey, Robert Liviston,
this is what I want want to see, Pat Shermer,
this is what I.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Want to see.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Even though I know with Pat Shermer sometimes you don't
always see what you want.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
To see, you still talk to your.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Coaches and once again, hopefully this opens the eyes of
more ownership and athletic directors on a collegiate level to
give former players an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And this is a fascinating matchup tonight because Matt Lafleury
is an excess and O's guy, you know, I mean,
that's that is what he is. Dan Campbell the motivator,
the culture guy, the you know. So there's there's more
to this matchup than just a division rivalry. The resurgent
Packers against the story excuse me, the story Packers against
the resurgent Lions, and and those kinds of things. You
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also have sort of this two differing coaching philosophies. Say
nothing against either one. It's not one that's wrong or
right here, it's just too you know, one guy's an
nexs and O's guy that was brought in to be
that a savant at that the other guy was brought
into change of culture. Both had been good at that.
I mean in Laflour's first two years, they went to
the NFC Championship back to back years.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, I mean all of that is definitely an important
and when we look at this game, and for me
being a football fan, and I'm not a football historian,
but being a football fan, it's great when you have
teams who were not relevant in years past become relevant
because going back as a kid watching Barry Sanders play,
all I knew was Barry Sanders. I mean, I couldn't
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give to Nichols about the Detroit Lions. But to see
that over the past couple of years and Jared Golf,
I mean, there's so many storylines because Jerry Golf was
perceived as being a busting the cast off from his
day was Jeff Fisher and Sean McVay, and he.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Bust who got resurrector who then fell.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Fell out of favor exactly and then look at what
he's doing right now. That this is why I love
the game of football and I love NFL because these
storylines lie within the lines of each player.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Because every player has a unique story to tell. Those
Lions teams. Man, it's kind of funny because they I mean,
they had some talent with Barry Sanders back in the day.
You know they did. Everybody knew Berry, but you know,
you had they paid all that money to uh to
Mitchell to be the quarterback. That Charlie Batch for a minute,
who went on to have a pretty successful career in
spots start duty with the with the Steelers. But they
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had some had some good players beyond Barry. I mean,
you get Johnny Morton and Herman Moore wide receiver at
the same time, and the list stops right there. I
mean Tommy Hardell at the fullback. Come on, because it's
totally honest, right, I mean dackup quarterback was future coach
Frank Reich. Yeah, yeah, Jermaine Krole.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
They didn't really have that many great players that that
was That was kind of a problem they had. They
did have some players, yeah, Herman Moore coming out of
Virginia acc guy, of course, but they didn't have a
lot of those players. And I used to I felt
sorry for Wayne Fontz, I felt sorry for Detroit Lions fans.
I felt sorry for Barry Sanders being as good as
he was, but he was not getting the certain level
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of plaise that a guy like Emma Smith was receiving
during that time down in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, And I mean part of that was the coaching
staffs that you had. Part of that was the fact
that they could not buy an offensive line. Detroit just
could not buy an offensive line during those years. But anyway,
that that's beside the point. And I just think it
is a fascinating dichotomy in the way that these two
teams approach what it is that they do. It's from
the top down, from the head coach on down, you know,
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And it's too Both of them are successful in their
own right. Yeah, both of them are successful in their
own way, but they are too wildly, very deproachous.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Well see, that's the thing, Like that's kind of the
battle that we all trying to figure out in life, right,
what kind of defines success for you? And you're right,
Dan Campbell, success for him is entirely different than it
is for you know, Matt la Floor and Lafloor has
been around Kyle and Sean McVay and Mike Shanahan and
all these different type of people Mike McDaniels, right, all
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guys who are now head coaches in the NFL. So,
Dan Campbell brings a certain level of toughness to him.
Where you look at McVeigh, I look at the excuse me,
Matt Lafleur.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
That's more of a a neest type attitude a little bit.
And and you do see that only that he brought
in Josh Jacobs to kind of give them a little
bit of that toughness with the with the ground game
us as well. Uh, what lessons can the Broncos take
away from these two? Either retool for the Packers or
rebuild from the Lions. Because if you look at Sean Payton,
he's probably a hybrid of both. He's considered an next
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as an OS guy, but he's also a culture builder.
He did that and with new or listen, he's done
that here in Denver. I don't know that he's a
guy who's you know, there are coaches out there that
are culture builders that can't win a Super Bowl. You know,
you look at John Fox. I think John Fox was
absolutely a culture builder with Tsker. Look what he did
for Carolina, Look what he did for Denver. When he
when you know when he came in, and so I
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you know, there's been at times I've said that did
Sean Payton is sort of the the John Fox in
the past. But Sean Payton has won a Super Bowl.
So I don't want to hang that around him as
a pejarit if I don't want to hang that around
him as a negative. I think he's both. I just
don't know. Is Sean Payton the guy to get this
team out of the doldrums that they're in? Well, we
see that's true, but he's see the guy to take
that next step and get him to the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Time will tell Well, see that goes back to ownership, right,
because it's about patience, and it's about the head coach.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
And the GM being on the same page. And I
get it.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Sometimes there is a battle for like a hierarchy, Well,
who has the most power in the organization? And for me,
it's not a matter of who has the most powers,
like can we agree on one accord? These are the
things that the principles we need to bide by to
carry this organization further.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
And when you think about with the Packers in that.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Situation at the quarterback position, you had the draw love
sitting behind Aaron Rodgers, and everyone thought that draw Love
was a bus and that time sitting behind Rogers, he
was able to grow, able to make mistakes and see
what it took to be an NFL quarterback. And there
was a certain commitment that the Packers show.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
To draw Love right which which gave.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Him the confidence that he can go out there and
do certain things. And then when he got his moment,
he did those things. And the same could be said
for how both Nix is viewed in the Broncos organization.
You now have your guy show patience and confidence. He's
showing what he can do. Now you look at the ross,
you make twigs here, tweaks there, and it changes. And
these are the things that both the Packers and the
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Blonds did.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
To get them to this point. You know, the Packers
offense too is very young. You know, you look at
their skill position players. You look at those guys, a
lot of young skill position players they are building for
similar to the way the Broncos are now. The Broncos
does Sutton, Little Jordan and a couple other you know,
a couple of guys out there. But the youth movement
is clearly there with with your Marvin Mims with you,
Troy Franklin, you're devad Villa.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
The youth movement is clearly there for the Denver Broncos.
So it's it's it's kind of an interesting case study,
I guess when you when you look at growing an
offense together like that the way the Green Bay Packers
are sort of doing that too well.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
It is and when you look at some of the
teams that are the youngest teams.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
In the NFL.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
You know the Buffalo Bills, right, you say, well, they
are considered the oldest team in the NFL with the
average age of twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Obviously there's some other.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Teams here and there, but having that youth movement is
so important, Like the the Broncos. When you look at
their team, right, the oldest guy or the average age
is twenty six.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
So having a young team, you have some.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Inexperience, maybe guys who don't know how to win, and
you think about issues as far as cohesiveness. But based
on what we've seen this year, that's transpired with the
team being eight and five, opposed to the idea that
they were only winning five games coming from Vegas, they're
head of the curve and watching a lot of those
young guys play it helps. It's one of the reasons
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why the Broncos decided, Hey, listen, Moro when we were well,
we signed Josh Reynolds for the sake of having a
veteran wide receiver calling Sutton and stepped up. You've seen
some of these younger guys step up at the same time.
You know what, Josh, you know, we good, thanks for
your time in training came and what you get you've
given to us. But these are the guys that we're
gonna roll with and we're gonna look to deal with.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Well, we're off and rolling here on Broncos Country tonight.
We're still efforting that Stephen Ruiz fellow. We know we're
gonna make him answer for these Bonix crimes against humanity,
ranking up twenty nine that his power rankings. We got, uh,
we got some contact photo day. See if we can
finally get a hold of this guy put him on
the spot for uh, for that stuff. We'll see if
we're able to do that. And by the way, the
Stephen Ruis is not the Stephen Rueves that was on
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Jeopardy today. Uh, as Nick pointed out, TV not the
same guy, but yeah, we're gonna see if we can uh,
we'll see if we can track him down. Plus, we
got plenty of the Broncos country tonight ahead, there's the
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secrespect there. Thursday Night football. Addition, Lions taking on the
green Bay Packers. Detroit went down, punched it in first
up seven to nothing green Bay with Paul driving. Now
about eight minutes left in the first quarter. Five six, six,
nine zero is the text line. Nuggets take it on
the Cleveland calves right now at Cleveland, Nuggets down I
think nine in the dead of the third quarter. They
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called the Jokic with nineteen and seventeen boards already, Jamal
Murray thirteen points to assists. Really Yokic kind of carrying
the team. The rest of them just kind of there.
Aaron Gordon back in obviously fourteen points five boards for
him as well. The Nuggets. You look at this thing
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and it looks like there's gonna need to be some
changes made. We'll get into that a little bit later.
I want to talk about that. Should the Nuggets deal
Jamal Murray? Should they move on from Jamal Murray? Because
it looks like you've reached the limits of this window.
And I want to talk about that here a little bit.
Yesterday we're gonna get into a little something, and we
didn't get time to do that. About the NFL protecting players.
We talked a little bit about on the heels of
Trevor Lawrence and the disease alsha year three game suspension.
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And I come out of the middle on that one
because people are like, you side with Trevor Lawrence, You
side man, I want players to be safe and all
this kind of stuff. But I also don't take Shaye.
I mean, it's a bang bang play man, you know,
Like I don't think he was deliberate in that. I
think he probably could have pulled up a little better.
But I also thought the Lawrence wasn't really committed to
the slide until very late in that action. And I
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feel like it's unfair to defenders have quarterbacks out here
putting the dead leg on him, you know, when you're
trying to pull up and think about a side and
if you've got somebody who's who's atlantic like a Trevor
Lawrence or even a more athletic like a Lamar Jackson.
I mean, it's putting a defenders at a distinct disadvantage.
It is.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
And the first thing I thought about Ben was, remember
earlier in the season, Kansas City is visiting Levi Stadium
playing against San Francisco, and Pastor Mahomes is on the
sideline and he runs through the sideline, he slows down,
the defender kind of slows down as well. Then Mahomes
keeps moving and first down, touchdown. And this is like,
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wait a minute, we can't continue to do this because
as defenders, we are drilled and we are kind of
coached to be a certain way, and physicality is part
of the game.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Obviously, you don't try to go out there with an
attention to maiming or seriously injuring the guy.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
But at the same time, you got to try to
protect us too, because if a defender slows down with
the quarterback and then that quarterback lows his shoulder and
runs that guy over, I would tell you we already
know right now that's going viral right right.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Even in that.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Game, Patrick Mahomes actually ran over one of the forty
nine ers DB's and jumped up and flexed lord to helvet.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yes. So here's what I margetting on the quarterback because Tom.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Brady said this and I have been saying it for
years that if you're going to have certain rules in place,
every single player should buy by them, even the quarterback.
Now what I said, what is if a quarterback leads
a receiver, he throws the ball late and the defender
hits him outline defensives receiver, if that player gets suspended
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and as a fine, the same.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Thing should happen for that quarterback.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
And what Tom Brady said, well, if a quarterback doesn't slide,
that guy should get fined too.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, he's not setting the thing up for to protect himself, right.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
And I can tell you this. Quarterbacks know this rule.
If you go head first, then you all fair game, right.
But if you slide, then now the owners is on
the defender to stop his momentum.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
And then let me let me let's just say, if
you have a let me let me tell you this.
On the officer side, your coach to run at the
defender and then slide last second, you can't get the
flag and the extra yardage.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
So if you are this is say a two hundred
and fifteen pound linebacker and you run a four or
five and you and you're trained to get your body
and all that way down here in.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
A certain area.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Now you're trying to tell me vismon albright slide. It's
a couple of inches in front of me. I'm supposed
to stop all that.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Weight die over you, and all is fair good.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
But what happens if in the midst of me trying
to not hit you, I tear him Aco p c O.
There's gonna be sympathetic to my call?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
And is that? Is that? Is that really protecting a
player because it's not protecting you. No, it's not. And
if he does not protecting me because I'm trying to
exploit the rule. Okay, now let me take you back
and I'm running and I'm trying to get you to
do the nake dogs exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
And what happens. What happens if it's a third and
one or you're trying to get you trying to reach the.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
End zone as about twenty I'm taking off, Hope, I'm
getting flock exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
My thing is, if you are a quarterback, you are
protected within the confinements of those two tackles, that tackle box.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
That's your protection. After that, you're a runner.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
You're running back, whether it's a design quarterback run or
you're scrambling, you are a bona fide runners. Soon as
you get outside that tackle box, all rules are off
because we don't treat running backs like this, do we.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
No, we don't. Not all running back we're still you know,
running backs get smoked. We're still celebrat. He used to
do videos. If I make money off yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Look, my thing is, if you're a quarterback, you know
the rule, don't press it to the limit, you know,
to slow down and give yourself up once you see
your defender coming.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
If you don't do that, then that's the last Yeah,
that's on you. That's all. That's problem, not to me,
problem exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
And for me, I would always I'm not a dirty
I was never a dirty player, and neither would I
be a dirty coach. But I would tell my players,
you played to the whistle. You let them figure these
rules out. Yeah, oh yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Played play to through to to the whistle, you know,
through the whistle, to the end of the whistle, aymen
out of here, whistle. Yeah, I play through that you
hear the whistle, you play, sell that whistle ends, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
So for me, the onus is on the players, the quarterbacks,
rather to protect themselves. Don't ask defenders. Hey, that's your
brother in another uniform. Remember this NFL brotherhood? Protect him? No?
You know why, Ben, Because when I play those two
hundred and ninety and three hundred and thirty pounds guards
(25:14):
pulling around, you think they gave a damn about Nick Ferguson. Yes,
because I don't know what it is about officsive linemen.
They will bypass a linebacker just to hear a d
be to hear the skilled player. It's almost like they're
playing the video game and hitting us gives them fifty point.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
They put the truck stick highlight. Yes, I'm gonna go
on Sports Center tonight. Man. I used to knife those dudes.
I'm causing a five lame pile up. I'm a knife.
But you can't do that now. No, you can't do
that now.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Ye. The league needs to do something definitely about this
is if you are adamant about protecting players, we cannot
be selective on the players and the positions we choose
to protect.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Well of one hundred percent with you. What did you
think about as he's Al Schaier's tweeting after the UH
after the incident and the suspension were upheld because I
felt like, you know, I was sort of sympathetic to
his plight after everything happened, but then he was just
tweeting stoking the fire. You know, I didn't like that
(26:20):
idea of it.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
And just to speak on it from a defensive standpoint,
did I think Trevor Lawrence slid a little too late? Yes,
I was here, was in a very vulnerable position from
a health standpoint, But I still look at the level
of intent. The full arm was the level of intent.
He did not have to do that. But I've been
(26:44):
there before, Van you like, I'm run as far. I
got to hit something because I remember being a member
of the New York Jets and Michael Vick was running
the ball and he stepped out of bounce and I
hit him and he went into a net and then
I realized I was standing on the white Yeah, like,
oh they got me, yep right. So it was kind
(27:05):
of one of those things, and you get these bang
bank situations. But in that position, I think I was
here could have helped himself, but the league definitely had
to do something to tell the quarterbacks that they have
to slide.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
A lot earlier. Yeah, and I'm with you on that.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
They did.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
The quarterbacks need to start sliding early. You got you
have to slide with intent.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
You have to.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
You have to otherwise you're a runner, you know. And
then it's not fair to defenders. You've got to start
doing that. And we got to keep it fair as
fair across the board on those kinds of things. I
just felt like him getting on social media. Oh, y'all
want a villain, okay, joker and all that kind of stuff,
and I'm like, what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Man?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Like he.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Wentesburgh, you were here, with all due respect to his
ease alsha here you were kind of just a nondescript
linebacker in the NFL. Now you're Vontes perfect, you know,
And why do Damakasu listen?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
And in our today, in today's society, the last thing
you want is a label. You don't want to be
labeled that guy in the NFL. You don't know, because
now it's gonna follow you. That's what happens.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Like once you get the label, even if you aren't
the dirty player, once you get the label, it follows you.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yes, But to be fair, I mean Asier's kind of
set himself up in his comments on social media's not
helping him because there was a game where they were
playing against the Bears and it was perceived to be
a late hit O Kayla Williams. He's standing there, he's
on the wrong side of days. He's he's in the
midst of Chicago Bears players and I can understand that,
and his reactions took over and he just hit a
(28:28):
guy who was just that in there, right. So with
that being said, you always went into that situation with
the reputation and your reactions after the play and those
on social media, is showing the lead that you were
not really sorry the way that you attempted to say
that you were sorry.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, we're sorry. Are we gonna go check in with
traffic though with Dave O Brian six times text I
had quite a few texts coming in. I'll try to
get some of those, Uh see, Brian, I try to
respond to you some of these other ones. We'll get
to those here in a little bit. About the Jamal
(29:10):
Murray stuff and talking about the Nuggets and I think
they need to blow it up. I really do. I
think that you look at this thing and I think
it has reached the peak of what it is. I
think you're wasting the last few years of the Nicola
Jokic window. Uh. And it just feels like that this team,
as constructed is just has reached its potential. They got it,
they did get a ring out of it. But I
think you're gonna have to blow it up a little bit.
(29:32):
And I will go into my plan on that a
little bit later. Nick looks, I just wait to wait.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I can't wait for that discussion so you can explain
all of this to me.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
You're top heavy on contracts for which guys were bold.
I mean I can. I can give you the reconstruction plan.
Not gona do it right now, but I'll do it
the other side. But I'm just saying, like I do,
do you think this team is constructed?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
An NBA construction comes with poored concrete and s steell beans.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Well, you've got some youth movement guys that are already there.
The foundation's already there, but you've got to find a
different point guard. Russ Westbrook will probably have to be
the guy to carry out the rest of the you
better come with some major concrete for your rebuild. I'm
just saying like, you gotta find a way and you
gotta find a way to get that for probably moving
Jamal Marie and maybe Michael Porter Jr. They seems like,
you know, you said that we were going to I'm teasing.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I mean people are like, wait, what are you getting
back for this?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yes, that's what I want to know, right because you're
talking about a lot of a lot of timberlands, a
lot of hard hats here.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
But I don't know if this is gonna mix. I
don't know if the Dix. We'll see, if we'll see
if I can bring you guys around to it. Guys.
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your good buddy Ryan, Well, let me take a look
right now, because I don't know who he had tonight.
(31:40):
I am currently in first place on this, but I
don't know if because I had the Lions tonight, so
I don't know if he has the Packers. I don't
know if he has a chance to catch up or not.
I can I can pull that up here in just
a moment. As right now, the Lions are winning seven
to nothing and they do have the ball I did.
I thought this game was going to be, uh, a
(32:00):
low scoring game, and uh when the Lions came right
down the field the beginning, I was like, Love, they
no more points scored sets.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
And so yeah, I mean that that is that open
and drive momentum being at home that you have. But
you know, things have been become really stagnant for the
Lions offense as far as the Packers defense is stiffening.
And you know, I don't expect this type of performance
from Jordan Love in the offense.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I thought they would have a better showing by now. Well,
there's still plenty of time to get it going, obviously,
you know, three more quarters of football. We all I am.
I am leading by one game over Riot Edwards and
Jeff Johnson. All three of us have the Detroit Lions.
Anthony rodd Is is three games back of me, Dave Tepper,
our program director here, seven games back, and one Nick
Ferguson nine games back. Right now, I don't know who
(32:53):
you have tonight. I didn't I did not look at
who you had tonight. So maybe maybe if the we'll
see here. Who's Nick Keff. We'll pull it. Here's the Packers.
So off the Packers win, you can gain some ground.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yes, one game closer, one game chipping away, chipping away,
keep chopping wood.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Right suh, we get back. We'll talk a little bit
about patser Tan picking up some hardware for the month.
I want to talk about the hardware the Broncos are
all of a sudden getting and how these young players
don't let that get to your head during the stretch run.
This is the Broncos country night right here on Kaaway
It's been all Brian Nick Ferguson Zach Seekers back there
behind the glass tonight Thursday Night Football editioned Lions Packers.
I'm on the Lions in the oder of you're the
Packers in the over Nick Ferson, we're at odds.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, I like what I see from the Green Bay Packers.
And for me, you know what I am in full transparency.
If you didn't know, I'm a defensive first type of guy,
he had no clue.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I I just had no clue that you favored the
defense I do.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Because, as it's saying, traditionally goes defense with championships, do
they not.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
That's the other play is something that people.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Say, well, well, that's not just what people say, it
is in fact true. Man.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
To be totally honest, that's fair. People say I'm handsome
all the time, and that is also in fact true.
Whatever people say, it's definitely true. We would check and
say it must be true.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Well, you know what, I like what my guy, Jeff
Hapley worked with San Francisco with He's done a great
job as a defensive coordinator for the Green May Packers.
And if you go back to the first meeting between
these two teams, it was very interesting.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
The Lion has beat the Packers at home by ten points,
but still in that game, Jared Golf didn't really perform
that well because it was just kind of a running
back show and Leaman Saint Bron obviously you got to
find him and stop him. But I think you know,
this particular game is going to be a little different.
The Packers know kind of what's at stake with them
(01:32):
chasing the Detroit Lions right now sitting at nine to three,
and Detroit I believe he's sitting at ten and two.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
So this is a very important game for the Packers.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
And this is where your defense and your run game
definitely has to stand up. And for me, I picked
the Packers because I feel.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
That they'll do it tonight. All right, I'm I'm certainly
interested to see it. I'm on the Lions and I'm
on the under I feel like this is going to
be a run game. I think you're gonna see a
big game out of Josh Jacobs. I think you're gonna
see big game out at Smyr Gibbs and Montgomery for
the Lions. And I think that's my design for the
Lions because they're decimated by injury. Right now, the defense
is at what it was when it started the season.
So I still believe in the Lions. I believe in
(02:12):
Dan Campbell and these games, you know, these sees, these
division games tend to be lower scoring than people things.
I don't know, Maybe I'm off on the pulse of
this one. Lord knows. I thought the Cleveland game was
going to be close, but I thought it was being
low scoring and close, not a shootout. So you know
I've been wrong before, I'll be wrong again, and you
know we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So I know how you feel about anything relative to Love,
so please cover your ears on this.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Jordan Love did a great job.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Last time he did throw any touchdowns. He was twenty
three or thirty nine for toy seventy three yards and interception,
And for me it's like, well, he wants to redeem
himself from that last showing, and Jaden Reid has proven
to be his go to guys. So I do give
a little previous to what you're saying about this is going.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
To be a running game.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
But right now, whether the Detroit Lions are they for me,
in my opinion, they are not billed to be in
a shootout. The bill to get the lead, run the ball,
maintain lead, get the lead, and keep it. Something just
out of the Benjamin all Bright Book of Football.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I love the knee biding, I love the ankle biting,
I love the neecap or I'm a dead Campbell fan,
but yeah, that is the premise of what Detroit wants
to do is get a lead on you and they
put it to you. They don't want to play from behind.
We've seen what happens when they have to play from behind.
We all watched your golf go full Nathan Peterman in
that game earlier this year. What was it the sixth interception?
Ryanford Patrick was like, man, we're getting close to my territory.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Somebody put the kids to bed in that Texan game.
It was it was what was crazy about that game.
I mean, golf through five or six interceptions in that
game in just in Texas and they still out the
way to win. And going back to Dan Campbell and
the ankle biding and kneecaps or whatever, his team actually
believes in it that culture that every coach comes in
(03:59):
and said, well, they are trying to pound with their
team to kind of get build that cohesiveness.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
They've done it in a short period of time.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
This is why there is a belief that the Detroit
Lions are the team to be and could be facing
I don't know whomever from the AFC and for the
Super Bowl in New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, I think. And that is the thing. Dan Campbell
came into a franchise that had no culture. It's a
place where careers went to die, you know. I mean,
let's let's be honest here. Calvin Johnson retired rather than
continue to play for the Lions. Perry Sanders retired rather
than continue to play for the Lions. So you're about
that Stafford wanted to trade to get out of that.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
How bad do you have to be as an organization
when some of your most historic Hall of Fame players
are just saying, you know what, man, I'm out.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I'd have to be out the game. Yes, they continue
to play for this organization they love and man, he
has come in and absolutely chased it. And it's so
funny because everybody in Detroit, or excuse me, everybody in
the media made fun of Detroit for hiring Dan kamp
I was one of those guys. Get the majority of media,
overwhelming majority of media made fun of. I don't think
(05:10):
I made fun of I think I was like, well,
wait a minute, why did they pass on? Oh who
was it they passed on? Now I can't remember who
it was, but they passed on somebody to hire him,
and I can't remember who it was. To save my life,
now I have to go back and look. I was like,
i don't know why they passed on this, but I'm
gonna give it a chance to see if it works out.
And he came out and then you had the ankle
bider comments and he capped comments whatever it was, and man,
(05:33):
they were merciless. People were up and down up in ours.
This meatthead. This this all it's good. And I'm like,
you know what I mean, they have a point because
these are kind of meat head comments. But at the
same time, like the way that he's doing this, I'm
watching him and I'm like, this is gonna play real
well in the locker room though, Like this is gonna
absolutely media. That's good. That's the most important thing.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
When it is when individuals go to interview for these
head coaching jobs with owners, what are you trying to
tap into?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
First and foremost, you're trying to check all.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
The boxes of what you think that owner actually wants
you to say. But Dan Campbell was genuinely himself and
I think that's the thing that got him the job,
because understanding the job of your head coach is not
just to delegate responsibilities to the coaching staff and be
that guy in front of the media doing all the interviews.
Can you motivate guys and known as though Dan Campbell
(06:22):
was a former player himself, playing I believe the tight
end position, and for him to go up there and
say the things that he said, no one anticipated that.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
We've never had a coach to go.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Up and save those types of gain if we've had
the Bill Belichick's of.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
The world right who would say very little. And I
think that's part of the thing. I think people expect
a certain level of polish in dealing with the media
and that persona and Dan Campbell's just authentically himself at
all times. We saw it with another coach who they
said was going to flame out real quick and he's
been pretty successful for so far, and it's John Gannon.
You know, they were making fun of that hiring. They
were making fun of the stuff he was saying in
(06:58):
media and then Lowen B. Hall. Look at the Arizona Cardinals. Man,
they're pretty good football team.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
See, it's about authenticity for me because obviously, when you
interview for God for a job like that, you're thinking,
I got to be button up, I got to be
straightened up, and my English has to be like you
know the King James English from London or whatever you
have it.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
But it's like no, I mean, you want real.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
People who can stand up there and give real talks
to their players, because players can pick out an individual
who is putting up a facade.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I don't want that coach.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I want to coach that is going to keep it
one hundred with me. This is why regarding I've had
several coaches and I love them all. But this is
why I love Bill Parcels because you know where you
stand and it's not one of these things that we
see in NFL circles or in professional sports. We're gonna
treat everyone fair but not equal. No, no, no, when
(07:54):
it comes to being equal, That's how Parcels is going
to handle Now. It's gonna be with a little fear
associated with it.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Get you to do your job and see if you're
about that life, But at the.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Same time, you knew where you stood, and Dan Campbell
is kind of one of those guys. And you also too,
you know, my dude, Aaron Glynn, Aaron Glenn interview for
a head coaching job here.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I'm happy to see two former players. That's the biggest
thing for me. Both those coordinators are gonna get interviews.
As psychoay, I would not be surprised to see Aaron
Glenn wind up as the next head coach in Orlands.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Say, you know what, I wanted to be surprised either,
because both he and Dan Campbell actually coached down there
under Sean Payton, and Sean Payton would definitely be an
advocate for both of those guys.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
But for me as as a.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Former player and knowing, you know, going through these coaching
circles and hearing what players are not and how players
don't want to work, which is a bunch of baloney.
But to watch two former players do what they're doing,
that says a lot and hopefully opens the door for.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
More former players. Yeah, and you love to see that
that part of it, because you're seeing some of those
guys start to see see is it whereas you know
in in years past. It has been a shy away
from that in a lot of ways because all their
meatheads and you know they don't. You start to see
those guys succeed, especially guys like Dan Campbell who are
not sitting there. Dan Campbell's not in exceson. I'm using
(09:15):
air quotes here and exces and hose guy. I mean
he is, but that's not what he is. He's a
CEO type head coach uh there for the Detroit Lions.
He's a motivator, he's a he's a you know, he's
a player's coach with that kind of stuff, and he
lets Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn run the offense and
the defense. As a matter of fact, Ben Johnson wasn't even
the original OC he hired. It was Anthony Lynn was
his original OCI. I want to think about what you're
saying right now.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Ansel later reminded me and took me on a forty
five minute trip to Boulder. Why why is that Coach
Prime is a former player?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Right?
Speaker 1 (09:44):
What is he?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
What is he? And I hear people on the East
Coast texting me every game saying, well, coach.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Prime doesn't know exces and hose. Yeah, that's not his job.
That's not it's not that's not his job.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
His job is to delegate to say, Hey, Robert Liviston,
this is what I want want to see, Pat Shermer,
this is what I.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Want to see.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Even though I know with Pat Shermer sometimes you don't
always see what you want.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
To see, you still talk to your.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Coaches and once again, hopefully this opens the eyes of
more ownership and athletic directors on a collegiate level to
give former players an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And this is a fascinating matchup tonight because Matt Lafleury
is an excess and O's guy, you know, I mean,
that's that is what he is. Dan Campbell the motivator,
the culture guy, the you know. So there's there's more
to this matchup than just a division rivalry. The resurgent
Packers against the story excuse me, the story Packers against
the resurgent Lions, and and those kinds of things. You
(10:38):
also have sort of this two differing coaching philosophies. Say
nothing against either one. It's not one that's wrong or
right here, it's just too you know, one guy's an
nexs and O's guy that was brought in to be
that a savant at that the other guy was brought
into change of culture. Both had been good at that.
I mean in Laflour's first two years, they went to
the NFC Championship back to back years.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, I mean all of that is definitely an important
and when we look at this game, and for me
being a football fan, and I'm not a football historian,
but being a football fan, it's great when you have
teams who were not relevant in years past become relevant
because going back as a kid watching Barry Sanders play,
all I knew was Barry Sanders. I mean, I couldn't
(11:19):
give to Nichols about the Detroit Lions. But to see
that over the past couple of years and Jared Golf,
I mean, there's so many storylines because Jerry Golf was
perceived as being a busting the cast off from his
day was Jeff Fisher and Sean McVay, and he.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Bust who got resurrector who then fell.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Fell out of favor exactly and then look at what
he's doing right now. That this is why I love
the game of football and I love NFL because these
storylines lie within the lines of each player.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Because every player has a unique story to tell. Those
Lions teams. Man, it's kind of funny because they I mean,
they had some talent with Barry Sanders back in the day.
You know they did. Everybody knew Berry, but you know,
you had they paid all that money to uh to
Mitchell to be the quarterback. That Charlie Batch for a minute,
who went on to have a pretty successful career in
spots start duty with the with the Steelers. But they
(12:11):
had some had some good players beyond Barry. I mean,
you get Johnny Morton and Herman Moore wide receiver at
the same time, and the list stops right there. I
mean Tommy Hardell at the fullback. Come on, because it's
totally honest, right, I mean dackup quarterback was future coach
Frank Reich. Yeah, yeah, Jermaine Krole.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
They didn't really have that many great players that that
was That was kind of a problem they had. They
did have some players, yeah, Herman Moore coming out of
Virginia acc guy, of course, but they didn't have a
lot of those players. And I used to I felt
sorry for Wayne Fontz, I felt sorry for Detroit Lions fans.
I felt sorry for Barry Sanders being as good as
he was, but he was not getting the certain level
(12:52):
of plaise that a guy like Emma Smith was receiving
during that time down in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, And I mean part of that was the coaching
staffs that you had. Part of that was the fact
that they could not buy an offensive line. Detroit just
could not buy an offensive line during those years. But anyway,
that that's beside the point. And I just think it
is a fascinating dichotomy in the way that these two
teams approach what it is that they do. It's from
the top down, from the head coach on down, you know,
(13:18):
And it's too Both of them are successful in their
own right. Yeah, both of them are successful in their
own way, but they are too wildly, very deproachous.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Well see, that's the thing, Like that's kind of the
battle that we all trying to figure out in life, right,
what kind of defines success for you? And you're right,
Dan Campbell, success for him is entirely different than it
is for you know, Matt la Floor and Lafloor has
been around Kyle and Sean McVay and Mike Shanahan and
all these different type of people Mike McDaniels, right, all
(13:49):
guys who are now head coaches in the NFL. So,
Dan Campbell brings a certain level of toughness to him.
Where you look at McVeigh, I look at the excuse me,
Matt Lafleur.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
That's more of a a neest type attitude a little bit.
And and you do see that only that he brought
in Josh Jacobs to kind of give them a little
bit of that toughness with the with the ground game
us as well. Uh, what lessons can the Broncos take
away from these two? Either retool for the Packers or
rebuild from the Lions. Because if you look at Sean Payton,
he's probably a hybrid of both. He's considered an next
(14:22):
as an OS guy, but he's also a culture builder.
He did that and with new or listen, he's done
that here in Denver. I don't know that he's a
guy who's you know, there are coaches out there that
are culture builders that can't win a Super Bowl. You know,
you look at John Fox. I think John Fox was
absolutely a culture builder with Tsker. Look what he did
for Carolina, Look what he did for Denver. When he
when you know when he came in, and so I
(14:43):
you know, there's been at times I've said that did
Sean Payton is sort of the the John Fox in
the past. But Sean Payton has won a Super Bowl.
So I don't want to hang that around him as
a pejarit if I don't want to hang that around
him as a negative. I think he's both. I just
don't know. Is Sean Payton the guy to get this
team out of the doldrums that they're in? Well, we
see that's true, but he's see the guy to take
that next step and get him to the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Time will tell Well, see that goes back to ownership, right,
because it's about patience, and it's about the head coach.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
And the GM being on the same page. And I
get it.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Sometimes there is a battle for like a hierarchy, Well,
who has the most power in the organization? And for me,
it's not a matter of who has the most powers,
like can we agree on one accord? These are the
things that the principles we need to bide by to
carry this organization further.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
And when you think about with the Packers in that.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Situation at the quarterback position, you had the draw love
sitting behind Aaron Rodgers, and everyone thought that draw Love
was a bus and that time sitting behind Rogers, he
was able to grow, able to make mistakes and see
what it took to be an NFL quarterback. And there
was a certain commitment that the Packers show.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
To draw Love right which which gave.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Him the confidence that he can go out there and
do certain things. And then when he got his moment,
he did those things. And the same could be said
for how both Nix is viewed in the Broncos organization.
You now have your guy show patience and confidence. He's
showing what he can do. Now you look at the ross,
you make twigs here, tweaks there, and it changes. And
these are the things that both the Packers and the
(16:22):
Blonds did.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
To get them to this point. You know, the Packers
offense too is very young. You know, you look at
their skill position players. You look at those guys, a
lot of young skill position players they are building for
similar to the way the Broncos are now. The Broncos
does Sutton, Little Jordan and a couple other you know,
a couple of guys out there. But the youth movement
is clearly there with with your Marvin Mims with you,
Troy Franklin, you're devad Villa.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
The youth movement is clearly there for the Denver Broncos.
So it's it's it's kind of an interesting case study,
I guess when you when you look at growing an
offense together like that the way the Green Bay Packers
are sort of doing that too well.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
It is and when you look at some of the
teams that are the youngest teams.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
In the NFL.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
You know the Buffalo Bills, right, you say, well, they
are considered the oldest team in the NFL with the
average age of twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Obviously there's some other.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Teams here and there, but having that youth movement is
so important, Like the the Broncos. When you look at
their team, right, the oldest guy or the average age
is twenty six.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
So having a young team, you have some.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Inexperience, maybe guys who don't know how to win, and
you think about issues as far as cohesiveness. But based
on what we've seen this year, that's transpired with the
team being eight and five, opposed to the idea that
they were only winning five games coming from Vegas, they're
head of the curve and watching a lot of those
young guys play it helps. It's one of the reasons
(17:50):
why the Broncos decided, Hey, listen, Moro when we were well,
we signed Josh Reynolds for the sake of having a
veteran wide receiver calling Sutton and stepped up. You've seen
some of these younger guys step up at the same time.
You know what, Josh, you know, we good, thanks for
your time in training came and what you get you've
given to us. But these are the guys that we're
gonna roll with and we're gonna look to deal with.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Well, we're off and rolling here on Broncos Country tonight.
We're still efforting that Stephen Ruiz fellow. We know we're
gonna make him answer for these Bonix crimes against humanity,
ranking up twenty nine that his power rankings. We got, uh,
we got some contact photo day. See if we can
finally get a hold of this guy put him on
the spot for uh, for that stuff. We'll see if
we're able to do that. And by the way, the
Stephen Ruis is not the Stephen Rueves that was on
(18:29):
Jeopardy today. Uh, as Nick pointed out, TV not the
same guy, but yeah, we're gonna see if we can uh,
we'll see if we can track him down. Plus, we
got plenty of the Broncos country tonight ahead, there's the
Rocos Country night here on KOA TI fifty am ninety
four one FM News Talk Sports right kick Ferguson's that
(18:50):
secrespect there. Thursday Night football. Addition, Lions taking on the
green Bay Packers. Detroit went down, punched it in first
up seven to nothing green Bay with Paul driving. Now
about eight minutes left in the first quarter. Five six, six,
nine zero is the text line. Nuggets take it on
the Cleveland calves right now at Cleveland, Nuggets down I
think nine in the dead of the third quarter. They
(19:14):
called the Jokic with nineteen and seventeen boards already, Jamal
Murray thirteen points to assists. Really Yokic kind of carrying
the team. The rest of them just kind of there.
Aaron Gordon back in obviously fourteen points five boards for
him as well. The Nuggets. You look at this thing
(19:34):
and it looks like there's gonna need to be some
changes made. We'll get into that a little bit later.
I want to talk about that. Should the Nuggets deal
Jamal Murray? Should they move on from Jamal Murray? Because
it looks like you've reached the limits of this window.
And I want to talk about that here a little bit.
Yesterday we're gonna get into a little something, and we
didn't get time to do that. About the NFL protecting players.
We talked a little bit about on the heels of
Trevor Lawrence and the disease alsha year three game suspension.
(19:58):
And I come out of the middle on that one
because people are like, you side with Trevor Lawrence, You
side man, I want players to be safe and all
this kind of stuff. But I also don't take Shaye.
I mean, it's a bang bang play man, you know,
Like I don't think he was deliberate in that. I
think he probably could have pulled up a little better.
But I also thought the Lawrence wasn't really committed to
the slide until very late in that action. And I
(20:20):
feel like it's unfair to defenders have quarterbacks out here
putting the dead leg on him, you know, when you're
trying to pull up and think about a side and
if you've got somebody who's who's atlantic like a Trevor
Lawrence or even a more athletic like a Lamar Jackson.
I mean, it's putting a defenders at a distinct disadvantage.
It is.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
And the first thing I thought about Ben was, remember
earlier in the season, Kansas City is visiting Levi Stadium
playing against San Francisco, and Pastor Mahomes is on the
sideline and he runs through the sideline, he slows down,
the defender kind of slows down as well. Then Mahomes
keeps moving and first down, touchdown. And this is like,
(20:58):
wait a minute, we can't continue to do this because
as defenders, we are drilled and we are kind of
coached to be a certain way, and physicality is part
of the game.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Obviously, you don't try to go out there with an
attention to maiming or seriously injuring the guy.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
But at the same time, you got to try to
protect us too, because if a defender slows down with
the quarterback and then that quarterback lows his shoulder and
runs that guy over, I would tell you we already
know right now that's going viral right right.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Even in that.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Game, Patrick Mahomes actually ran over one of the forty
nine ers DB's and jumped up and flexed lord to helvet.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yes. So here's what I margetting on the quarterback because Tom.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Brady said this and I have been saying it for
years that if you're going to have certain rules in place,
every single player should buy by them, even the quarterback.
Now what I said, what is if a quarterback leads
a receiver, he throws the ball late and the defender
hits him outline defensives receiver, if that player gets suspended
(22:06):
and as a fine, the same.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Thing should happen for that quarterback.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
And what Tom Brady said, well, if a quarterback doesn't slide,
that guy should get fined too.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, he's not setting the thing up for to protect himself, right.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
And I can tell you this. Quarterbacks know this rule.
If you go head first, then you all fair game, right.
But if you slide, then now the owners is on
the defender to stop his momentum.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
And then let me let me let's just say, if
you have a let me let me tell you this.
On the officer side, your coach to run at the
defender and then slide last second, you can't get the
flag and the extra yardage.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
So if you are this is say a two hundred
and fifteen pound linebacker and you run a four or
five and you and you're trained to get your body
and all that way down here in.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
A certain area.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Now you're trying to tell me vismon albright slide. It's
a couple of inches in front of me. I'm supposed
to stop all that.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Weight die over you, and all is fair good.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
But what happens if in the midst of me trying
to not hit you, I tear him Aco p c O.
There's gonna be sympathetic to my call?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
And is that? Is that? Is that really protecting a
player because it's not protecting you. No, it's not. And
if he does not protecting me because I'm trying to
exploit the rule. Okay, now let me take you back
and I'm running and I'm trying to get you to
do the nake dogs exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
And what happens. What happens if it's a third and
one or you're trying to get you trying to reach the.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
End zone as about twenty I'm taking off, Hope, I'm
getting flock exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
My thing is, if you are a quarterback, you are
protected within the confinements of those two tackles, that tackle box.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
That's your protection. After that, you're a runner.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
You're running back, whether it's a design quarterback run or
you're scrambling, you are a bona fide runners. Soon as
you get outside that tackle box, all rules are off
because we don't treat running backs like this, do we.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
No, we don't. Not all running back we're still you know,
running backs get smoked. We're still celebrat. He used to
do videos. If I make money off yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Look, my thing is, if you're a quarterback, you know
the rule, don't press it to the limit, you know,
to slow down and give yourself up once you see
your defender coming.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
If you don't do that, then that's the last Yeah,
that's on you. That's all. That's problem, not to me,
problem exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
And for me, I would always I'm not a dirty
I was never a dirty player, and neither would I
be a dirty coach. But I would tell my players,
you played to the whistle. You let them figure these
rules out. Yeah, oh yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Played play to through to to the whistle, you know,
through the whistle, to the end of the whistle, aymen
out of here, whistle. Yeah, I play through that you
hear the whistle, you play, sell that whistle ends, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
So for me, the onus is on the players, the quarterbacks,
rather to protect themselves. Don't ask defenders. Hey, that's your
brother in another uniform. Remember this NFL brotherhood? Protect him? No?
You know why, Ben, Because when I play those two
hundred and ninety and three hundred and thirty pounds guards
(25:14):
pulling around, you think they gave a damn about Nick Ferguson. Yes,
because I don't know what it is about officsive linemen.
They will bypass a linebacker just to hear a d
be to hear the skilled player. It's almost like they're
playing the video game and hitting us gives them fifty point.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
They put the truck stick highlight. Yes, I'm gonna go
on Sports Center tonight. Man. I used to knife those dudes.
I'm causing a five lame pile up. I'm a knife.
But you can't do that now. No, you can't do
that now.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Ye. The league needs to do something definitely about this
is if you are adamant about protecting players, we cannot
be selective on the players and the positions we choose
to protect.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Well of one hundred percent with you. What did you
think about as he's Al Schaier's tweeting after the UH
after the incident and the suspension were upheld because I
felt like, you know, I was sort of sympathetic to
his plight after everything happened, but then he was just
tweeting stoking the fire. You know, I didn't like that
(26:20):
idea of it.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
And just to speak on it from a defensive standpoint,
did I think Trevor Lawrence slid a little too late? Yes,
I was here, was in a very vulnerable position from
a health standpoint, But I still look at the level
of intent. The full arm was the level of intent.
He did not have to do that. But I've been
(26:44):
there before, Van you like, I'm run as far. I
got to hit something because I remember being a member
of the New York Jets and Michael Vick was running
the ball and he stepped out of bounce and I
hit him and he went into a net and then
I realized I was standing on the white Yeah, like,
oh they got me, yep right. So it was kind
(27:05):
of one of those things, and you get these bang
bank situations. But in that position, I think I was
here could have helped himself, but the league definitely had
to do something to tell the quarterbacks that they have
to slide.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
A lot earlier. Yeah, and I'm with you on that.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
They did.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
The quarterbacks need to start sliding early. You got you
have to slide with intent.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
You have to.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
You have to otherwise you're a runner, you know. And
then it's not fair to defenders. You've got to start
doing that. And we got to keep it fair as
fair across the board on those kinds of things. I
just felt like him getting on social media. Oh, y'all
want a villain, okay, joker and all that kind of stuff,
and I'm like, what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Man?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Like he.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Wentesburgh, you were here, with all due respect to his
ease alsha here you were kind of just a nondescript
linebacker in the NFL. Now you're Vontes perfect, you know,
And why do Damakasu listen?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
And in our today, in today's society, the last thing
you want is a label. You don't want to be
labeled that guy in the NFL. You don't know, because
now it's gonna follow you. That's what happens.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Like once you get the label, even if you aren't
the dirty player, once you get the label, it follows you.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yes, But to be fair, I mean Asier's kind of
set himself up in his comments on social media's not
helping him because there was a game where they were
playing against the Bears and it was perceived to be
a late hit O Kayla Williams. He's standing there, he's
on the wrong side of days. He's he's in the
midst of Chicago Bears players and I can understand that,
and his reactions took over and he just hit a
(28:28):
guy who was just that in there, right. So with
that being said, you always went into that situation with
the reputation and your reactions after the play and those
on social media, is showing the lead that you were
not really sorry the way that you attempted to say
that you were sorry.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, we're sorry. Are we gonna go check in with
traffic though with Dave O Brian six times text I
had quite a few texts coming in. I'll try to
get some of those, Uh see, Brian, I try to
respond to you some of these other ones. We'll get
to those here in a little bit. About the Jamal
(29:10):
Murray stuff and talking about the Nuggets and I think
they need to blow it up. I really do. I
think that you look at this thing and I think
it has reached the peak of what it is. I
think you're wasting the last few years of the Nicola
Jokic window. Uh. And it just feels like that this team,
as constructed is just has reached its potential. They got it,
they did get a ring out of it. But I
think you're gonna have to blow it up a little bit.
(29:32):
And I will go into my plan on that a
little bit later. Nick looks, I just wait to wait.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I can't wait for that discussion so you can explain
all of this to me.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
You're top heavy on contracts for which guys were bold.
I mean I can. I can give you the reconstruction plan.
Not gona do it right now, but I'll do it
the other side. But I'm just saying, like I do,
do you think this team is constructed?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
An NBA construction comes with poored concrete and s steell beans.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Well, you've got some youth movement guys that are already there.
The foundation's already there, but you've got to find a
different point guard. Russ Westbrook will probably have to be
the guy to carry out the rest of the you
better come with some major concrete for your rebuild. I'm
just saying like, you gotta find a way and you
gotta find a way to get that for probably moving
Jamal Marie and maybe Michael Porter Jr. They seems like,
you know, you said that we were going to I'm teasing.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I mean people are like, wait, what are you getting
back for this?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yes, that's what I want to know, right because you're
talking about a lot of a lot of timberlands, a
lot of hard hats here.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
But I don't know if this is gonna mix. I
don't know if the Dix. We'll see, if we'll see
if I can bring you guys around to it. Guys.
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your good buddy Ryan, Well, let me take a look
right now, because I don't know who he had tonight.
(31:40):
I am currently in first place on this, but I
don't know if because I had the Lions tonight, so
I don't know if he has the Packers. I don't
know if he has a chance to catch up or not.
I can I can pull that up here in just
a moment. As right now, the Lions are winning seven
to nothing and they do have the ball I did.
I thought this game was going to be, uh, a
(32:00):
low scoring game, and uh when the Lions came right
down the field the beginning, I was like, Love, they
no more points scored sets.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
And so yeah, I mean that that is that open
and drive momentum being at home that you have. But
you know, things have been become really stagnant for the
Lions offense as far as the Packers defense is stiffening.
And you know, I don't expect this type of performance
from Jordan Love in the offense.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I thought they would have a better showing by now. Well,
there's still plenty of time to get it going, obviously,
you know, three more quarters of football. We all I am.
I am leading by one game over Riot Edwards and
Jeff Johnson. All three of us have the Detroit Lions.
Anthony rodd Is is three games back of me, Dave Tepper,
our program director here, seven games back, and one Nick
Ferguson nine games back. Right now, I don't know who
(32:53):
you have tonight. I didn't I did not look at
who you had tonight. So maybe maybe if the we'll
see here. Who's Nick Keff. We'll pull it. Here's the Packers.
So off the Packers win, you can gain some ground.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yes, one game closer, one game chipping away, chipping away,
keep chopping wood.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Right suh, we get back. We'll talk a little bit
about patser Tan picking up some hardware for the month.
I want to talk about the hardware the Broncos are
all of a sudden getting and how these young players
don't let that get to your head during the stretch run.
This is the Broncos country night right here on Kaaway
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