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Speaker 1 (00:43):
Why would you do that? You guys thought that'll chance
to win, and they did well.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I guess things didn't work out for you, Buddy.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
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Speaker 1 (00:57):
Doint last second dot manfield goal.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
That sounds like the comments for a guy who didn't win.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
That's what that sounds like. That could be.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I don't know, we'll see got the Heisman finalists. The
four finalists were announced, and I'm disappointed in all of you.
Dylan Gabriel and cam Ward are the other two finalists.
Not by guy Bryson Daily, who had as many rushing
touchdowns as Ashton Chancey.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
You guys told me.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Jancey deserves to get it, but not the guy who
had the same amount of touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Then only you were standing on that soapbox. Oh you
I'm fine being reason. I'm fine being right by myself.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
It's okay, I would I I am okay, absolutely, okay,
you go correct all by myself.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
If one is right all by themselves, in some cases,
that could mean that you were wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Everyone else is right. No, that mean everyone else is wrong?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Oh okay, yeah, that's in the world of one Benjamin
all Bright happened before?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yes, okay, just saying five six six nine zero is
the text line. You guys want to get involved in
the conversation.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
What do you think of that Heisman fors them there?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I think it's a great collection of talented athletes.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
That's what I think.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Then, as though you and I have talked about this before,
each one of these players one can make an argument
for them as well as one can make an argument
against them. But each one of the players in the
field is do we needed to be recognized for what
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they did during the collegiate season, because at the end
of the day, isn't that what college football is mostly about?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Well, the Heisman's the most outstanding player, right, That's that's
what the what the deal is with that?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Right?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
The best college player, well, the most outstanding college is
what's called on right?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yes, so somehow Dylan Gabriel snuck in there despite having
twenty eight passing times and seven rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Wait wait, look, Dylan Gabriel is the quarterback for the
number one team in the country. They just went from
the Pac twelve to the Big ten and one the
whole damn thing.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
And oh, by the way, the team is undefeated.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Sod Well, there's argument to be made the team is undefeated.
Wait the heights in the war where you really think
about it? Even though it's given, the one player is
like a team awards player because if there is the
most outstanding player and he happens.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
To be on the team with.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
One or two losses, nine times out of ten, he
may not get the Heisman because everyone is.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Looking at it a little different. Well, they need to
quit look at it. Look for the most outstanding players.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, the most Here's the thing, your argument there is
going to end up ruling out one of the other.
It's either gonna rule out Gabriel, It's gonna rule out
cam Ward.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I have three losses. What the hell is he doing it?
However you choose to look at it.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I'm just saying for each individual person, they have a
different lens by which they look and evaluate who should
win the Heisman.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Well, I look at it like this.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
It's the The criteria for the award has stated is
most outstanding player.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Correct, most outstanding player. However, you whatever your criteria college football. Okay, sure,
best player in college football. We can do it that way.
I look at it.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
The way I try to determine that is, what would
this team be if this player wasn't there versus was there?
If Ashton Janty wasn't on Boise, would they be as
good as they are?
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Probably not?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
If Travis Hunter wasn't as good as he was, would
Colorado be where they are?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
No?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Probably not.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
If Dylan Gabriel or any other quarterback had been there
instead of Ylan Gabriel, would Organ still be number one?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Probably? No, No, they're dying.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
No, They've got talent across the board.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
The Boe Nickson was there last year.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Got if they get Dylan Gabriel come in and they're
basically the same team.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
And no Bolics was there last year and they lost
to Washington and Michael Pennix.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Not once but twice.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, they went up against a buzz saw team that
was by the way of the National Championship and lost
to them.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
They call it whatever you wanted, They didn't. They didn't
went from the PAC twelve. They met a much easier
schedule this year. They had a lesser player.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
First of all, people used to talk bad about the
PAC twelve and talk about the.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Big Ten and the SEC. Those were the two top
conferences last year.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Hey man listening with that down year stuff. Oregon went
on a run. They went into the Big Ten, right, Hell,
no mercy. It was like the first Gladiators, right they
they went in. They did work. So you have to
give credit for that.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
We can't just say, well, I'm placing them in the
College Football Playoff.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I'm giving credits. Wait, so so you're.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Only placing them in the college football Playoffs.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But you can't give Dan Lanning and coach year. Guy
could absolutely give Dan Lanning Coach the Year. Okay, So
if you go to.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Give Dan Lanning Coach of the Year, then what are
you gonna give Dylan Gabriel. You're just gonna leave him out.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Like Dat O'Ryan award. That's it, the Davey O'Brien Award. Maybe,
and that's it. Maybe. I think McCoy just might be
your army bias.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
It's not even that, it's just outstanding player, has the
NAS and Dandy had more touchdowns, but his team is undefeated.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
How do you overlook that? Ben?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Then we just give it to the Greg McElroy's and John.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Parker Wilson's of the world. Well, I mean Greg mcelroll.
Let's be totally honest, right, this is.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Against Greg McElroy. Did he really do against Greg mcelrock watching?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
What did you watch Dylan Gabriel this past weekend?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I've watched Dylan Gabriel for the decade he's been in college.
Came back to when he was at Central Florida before
he bounced there to go to Oklahoma, and then he
bounced there to.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Go to Oregon.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So bow Knicks leave, You could insert any quarterback. You
insert him, and they go on a crazy run, a
run that even bow Knicks didn't even go on.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Good for them, Okay, good for them. You got he
the most outstanding player. He's a good player on a
great team. Well, dude, when can say that about a
lot of players, then you good? Good, We're probably good, right,
we could, we probably we should.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
But that's not how you take this most coveted award.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I make a consideration, which is probably good that I
don't have a vote.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
That's probably good that you don't have a vote.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
That's how I look the most outstanding players a good thing.
Thank you for saying that. Would they still be undefeated?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yes, they would probably? Okay, because your door was on Orgon.
Would they be undefeated?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Maybe? Then they're not. He's not the most out.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Maybe here it's about when you when you're in that
quarterback spot, are you are you delivery right? Aren't the
anticipation the throws there? Are you moving in in the pocket?
Are you turning the ball over putting your team in
the best possible situation, or are you hurting your team?
Gabriel didn't hurt.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Over again, hurting someone is not there's a difference.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
He did not hurt them, didn't hurt people, also put
them in great position. Looking at some of the throws
he made against Penn State player, I'm saying he's not
the best place. Well okay, but he may not be
the best player, but he should he be in New
York City at the Heisman Trophy presentation.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Give damn RDY show.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Absolutely not tell me why, neither one why camera will
by your own admission, cam Ward to Miami have three losses.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
He can't be in there because well, the reason we
didn't help cam Going back to the whole, even though
it's given the one person, it's a team of war.
Miami defense did not have helped kick defense. No, no, if
you listen to what I said, I said, the ward
is given out to one single person.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Is the team award.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Because if you're a quarterbacking you put up forty two
points and your defense gives up forty five points, you
in trouble.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I hear you in that point, I pop up.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
By your own argument, he has three losses, so he
can't beat cam Ward can't be considered.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Statistically cam Ward forty one hundred yards, thirty six touchdowns
and seven interceptions. The guy behind him is Shador with
thirty five.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
So you're saying that cam Ward what he led the
league in passing yardage?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Cam had had you know, the second motion in the
yards in college football. He had the if I'm not mistaken,
the most touchdowns in college football.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Kim Woard did not have the most touchdowns in college
but I don't think. I think bryceon Daily had more
than you. I'd have to go back and double check.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
You might have.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
We had at least twenty get twenty nine rushing. He
had what eight passings, and that puts him at thirty seven?
And then did he have I don't remember. I he
had a receiving touchdown.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Okay, so you're talking combined rushing and passionate touchdowns?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
How many passages only led the NCAA and rushing touchdowns
for twenty nine? He also had to believe eight passing touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
I'd have to go back and look.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Okay, So he led the team in rushing as though
he should based on the offense that he's in, which
they traditionally run predominantly more than they pass. Yes, he
said he should have more Russian touchdown because you should
he use a running back playing quarterback?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Of course he should. Okay, I mean he's still you know,
so how you fishing?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Was he as a passer?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I'm pretty efficient?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Eight touchdowns, one one interception, eight touchdowns to one pick.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Now I'm not a mathematical genius. But eight touchdowns to
thirty six touchdowns? No, so are we are?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
We're carrying eight to thirty six. You're carrying the whole
summation of what he does.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Not there we are When you compare an offensive points
per game, do you leave out the rushing dan?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
We should put him in a category with running backs.
Then put him in the running back We got rushing touchdowns,
put him in the category running backs.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
He tied the Ashton Janty, the guy you guys have.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
At the top.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
He let the NCAA hit rushing touches well tarder schedule.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Okay, well he tied genty, but he is not as
good as Genty is. And what in my opini on
what based on pure execution line like going back to
the water watching Genty against Oregon, you have.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
More touchdowns from outside the five than gent didn't wouldn't
get lamps from outside the five.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah, well, I expect that because your offense is predominantly
or say Army, his offense is probably ninety percent running
the ball right because his ball control, it's your So
inside the five yard line, you're gonna do the same
thing you do out in the field, which is run
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the ball, which is increase your opportunity to score rushing touchdown.
If cam Moore was in that situation where they ran
him more in the red zone, his rushing totals will
be up. The same could be said about Shadua sanders Hell,
the same could be said about any quarterback, and if.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
They threw more, his passing would be up. The ifs
don't matter. What matters is what happened. And at the
end of the day, the man scored thirty some odd touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Where did you rank Zach as well? And what in
total touchdowns? He ranked about fifth?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Okay, fifth and total touchdowns behind whom?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Sorry, what's say daily? If it was fifth and total touchdowns.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Yes, cam Ward is second and then Washington States John
Mattier is.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
In the air raid quarterback. I'm not going to hold
that against him. They throw ball all the time. I'm
not holding that against him. Who are the other who
are four and five or who was three or four?
Speaker 6 (12:32):
John Mattier with forty four touchdowns, right cam Ward with
forty one Cade Club, Nick Clemson with forty, Shador Sanders
Colorado thirty nine, and then Bryson Daily Army thirty seven.
The eight passing touchdowns in the twenty nine rushing as us.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Okay, well there you go, but cam Ward can't win
it didn't. Shador can't win it because they both had
multiple losses. Same thing with Washington State and Dylan.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Gabriel is seventh in total touchdowns thirty fourth, he's got
thirty five daily As thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Those guys can't But those other guys can't win because
they've got multiple losses. According to Knicks formula, here you
got to be a team that has like one loss
or no losses.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
It's not according to my particular philosophy, my ideology. It's
the conversation when you talk to other individuals. That is
the conversation that comes up, and it makes it really
difficult when you have another guy who's on the team
that's undefeated opposed to a guy with one loss, two loss,
or three losses. It makes it that much difficult because
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you're looking for, you know, players with unblemish records.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Should that be factored in?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
In my opinion, no one loss would be good, but
it is so what one loss of the season would
be would be good?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Right? What one loss?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Could one quarterback on that list has one loss?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
But it all depends on which lens are you looking through.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I'll look at the lens of excellence exactly. Of course,
I know a lot of people are talking about scatterball
and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Scatterbo would need like twelve touchdowns to catch Price a
daily like, that's how good that guy was.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Nobody saw him because he played for Army. But he
played the same strength schedule.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Is as Chanty, but the same rushing touchdowns as Chancey.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Has a lot to do with it, though.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Think about it, when Christian McCaffrey came out.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Of Stanford and people didn't watch, people didn't watch on
the East.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I'm blaming the people that didn't watch. I'm not blaming you.
I'm blaming that people.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I blame you.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I know how much direction of my vote went in.
But at the same time, there are certain individuals who
are obligated to watch every single college football game, right,
But because they're on the East Coast.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Right, you can't stay away. You don't stay away for.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Packed after dark where this is where PAC twelve after
Dark was such an idiotic it got They got host
because you're impacting your players and one that drafts that is,
and also being scouts being availed for for the I mean, yeah,
scott scouts will look but on the surface, now you
have to make the scouts do extra work.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Well, I gotta be up to lay their East Coast scouts.
That's why your regional scouts usually. But yeah, you know,
I'm not gonna go with the draft season, but I
think you're actoutely right an award season for college football.
I all agree with you there. They did host themselves
on that, and.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I think that that's part of the thing.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And I understand why people voted cam Ward and Dylan Gabriel.
I just hate it because they weren't the most outstanding
players in college football.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
They weren't.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Cam Ward might well be a great pro. Dylan Gabriel
might well be a good pro. They might, but that
shouldn't have anything to do with that. It should be
viewed through the lens of who had the most outstanding
season in.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
College football this year.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
And to me, there are three names that are so
far above everybody else that it's not even funny.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
And that's Chanty, Travis Hunter and Bright.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Well what was again, here's the other part that goes
along with that. For as far as Heisman push, it
is on your athletic department, that's what.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Budget is, Army Hill on something else you as a.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Lawyer, Army, it's not even that promote that.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
It should have been more promotion on social media. They
did a poor job of pushing out, you know, their candidate.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
In the situation like the R battle should win it, huh,
so the PR battle should win it.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
It's all about branding. Well, I mean I brand your guy.
I'm trying to make your point.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I'm trying to but it's not my job to play
on the field.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Should do it?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Well? We ban We both know that's not how it works.
Should it work that way in the ideal society, yes,
but that's not how it works.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
It's about promoting and branding.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Are you constantly making sure the fan base and those
who are voting know what your player is doing and
if people are not really watching and payingtition and watching
your guy, they're going to gloss over.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And it's fair. No, it's not fair.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
But this is the life and the reality of what
happens in college football.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I just I feel like a Heisman caliber player gets stiffed.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Here's what it is. What I feel like. Well, Ben,
you forgot to do your part.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I did.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I tweeted it out. My part is he did the part.
He's the one that's playing.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
On the field.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I mean I do. I guess you didn't tweet enough.
Then maybe that must be what it is. I need
to tweet more. Five x six nine zeros text line.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
We got jants and actual football player whose team is
still contending for a championship. Gabriel played for a stacked team.
Come on, Nick, be better than this. That's from uh,
that's from the fright.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Wait wait, wait, hold on, I'm gonna let you go.
Oh go ahead. Uh, let's see the three H three.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Dillingham did what your guy d almost supposed to do,
and Scatabo is a superior player to twelve. I don't
know that I agree with all that, although Dillingham certainly
did what he's supposed to be in terms of winning.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Two one fources his head starting to hurt seven one forces.
I hope Ben ends up getting.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Getting to be involved in Heisman votes, college football rankings,
and all things subjective in the sports world. I would
love to see the chaos and watch them talk circles
around these groups.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
And then so I said, nobody says Scatabo should be
in New York over Travis Hunters.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Well I don't agree with that.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
So he once again glad to lie of these individuals
don't really have votes. Uh. It to means you got
to be realistic about the situation. Is it tough at
times during the evaluation process as you try to decide
who's going we're in place in them? Yes, But that's
the way it's supposed to be, finding out things that
separate each candidate from the other candidate. Right, what why
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you're looking to cast a vote for this guy oppost
to another guy?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I mean that's where you have to do your homework.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
But if you don't watch the games and you don't
break down the tape, it's gonna make it really difficult.
And then you're going to make a judgment decision based
on what social media and everyone else there are telling
you what you should do.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
It's an individual vote.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Where you, the person voting, you decide what stands out
to you.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
And this is why I'm telling you different. Yea, everybody
has there. It's just like an election, or everybody else
has a vote.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I'm just trying to make, admittedly too late, the case
for my candidate here.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Nothing to do. Did you get that?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
And it has nothing to do with being a fan
of Army or anything else. If he played for the
University of Idaho, like I would still.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Be making the same case. But see, just did you
hear Ben? This is this is my exact point.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
He just said that. This is me paraphrasing. Maybe he
kind of did things a little too late to highlight
and propped up his candidate.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Well, but it's a shame that I have to do that.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
The voters should be you know, this is where we live,
especially when it comes down to All Star what hell
any All Star NHL, MLB, the NBA, the NFL. He
comes down to fans voting and the teams and organizations
promoting that player to put them out there. Yes, should
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their play speak volues for them? Absolutely? I'm right there then,
But you and I both know in this business what
you need to do to get you your player, your
person at the top.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
If you don't do that, you fall short, and that
appears to be the case this time. We are falling
short of time. We got a whole bunch of Broncos
stuff I want to get to here next. Here's the
Broncos Country Nights, rayre On Kwa Heisman debate Country to
Night last segment still wrong, meck, but it's fine.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I'll be the bigger man in and just put it
behind us.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah whatever, My six six nine zero is the text line.
I do want to get into a bunch of the
Broncos stuff here, especially at Riley Moss that worked at
Jerry Jacobs today. Moss, my understanding is he's probably not
back until the Cincinnati game. Certainly, you know the Colts
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game is going to be near impossible, but then the
Chargers game.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
You know on a short week that.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
It's probably the Bengals game before he's back. They worked
at Jerry Jacobs. Nothing imminent there, but they did work
him out today. So I want to get into a
little bit of that here at a minute. One thing
I want to get into before we do that, though,
is the idea of the championships can be bought, and
I've always believed that this to be the case in
just about every sport. I don't think you can do
it in basketball much anymore. You have to have the
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right player, you know, to build around, and then the
big three to make it.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
But football is difficult. The NFL.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Football is difficult because you have a salary cap. But
every other sport just about you can. You can buy
a championship, or at least attempts to do so. We
certainly saw the Dodgers and Yankees, which, by the way,
as Sodo goes to the Mets. How ironic is it
the Yankees fans are crying about Soto choosing a team
for the money.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Well, first of all, aren't you a Yankees fan? Yes,
I am weird? How I set that up?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Well yeah, I know purposely. Am I as frustrated as
other Yankees fans, No, especially the New York the New
York based Yankees fans. Those are the ones that are
going like hell bent And I mean, you look to me,
we're in jerseys, But what are you weird those doings?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
You're the team that buys players. How are you mad
about this?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Well? It is the fact that you know it's not
being you know, being married and watching your wife divorce
you and go to some other guy who's kind of
a rival.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Except that you're the guy who who but Mary's.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Young girls for the do marry up for the money? Hey, listen,
you're that dude. You can try to make sense of it,
but you talk to regular New York as, you're not
gonna be able to make it make sense of it
because the idea is that you go from Broadway right
Broadway in the Bronx with the Yankees to off Broadway
with the Mets. Right.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
It's just like it really doesn't make the sense. And
I know, oh, I make hamps. Just look at the dollars.
That's a lot of sense, own a lot of a
lot of sense. The owner for the Mets got a
lot of money.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
It's like a fifteen year deal or seven hundred and
sixty five million dollars with I guess the centives to
jump to eight hundred million. But the crazy part of
it is that it's like, well, Toto had a choice
between the Yankees, the Mets.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
And the Dodgers, right, the teams with the most money,
the team that you that you just lost to right.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
The teams are the most money, right, and.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
It's just like even I'm like from a lodge, you
stay up for I get the money.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I totally get the money.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
But when I think about the Mets, the Mets only
have two titles, I think in sixty nine and eighty six,
and I did that, you fifteen year contract.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I mean, go ahead and take the money. I get it.
You got to be the man with.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
The Mets instead of just a cog of the machine
the other places.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Well, you're not just going to be the man.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
You're going to be the man who's going to get
a lot of booze when you don't take them to
where they are projecting that they should go unless you
do well, unless you do And I would have to say,
when Wiles Sonto's being a hell of a baseball player,
the chances of that happening for me?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I live this slim right. I'm with you, very slimp
And I don't want to get too deep in the
weeds on that. I just thought that was funny.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
But as far as the Broncos portion of this, we
have the wealthiest owners in the NFL, but we can't
buy a championship because of the salary cap in the NFL. Now,
it does make it easier to work around that cap
by accelerating bonuses with cash if you have that, and
certainly the Broncos are in a position to be able
to do that. Once they get rid of the Russ
chunk of the cap, they'll be able to accelerate bonuses
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and move around.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Have quite a bit of first till it really be
Can you buy a championship in the NFL. No, you
can't really buy a champion.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
You can, you can get the first of all, there
is too many pieces right the rosters too, it's too
many pieces. It's not like the NBA where you need
three guys and you're you're set. You find the right right,
right sprinkling around them and you got the right three
gut you're done. Uh or or Major League Baseball where
you get the right four hitters in a row and
you're you're good. Plus you need to you know, pitching,
but you know it's not fifty three guys you need
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and you're.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Constantly shuffling around. Plus.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
In the NFL, contracts aren't guaranteed Baseball. They are basketball.
They are fully guaranteed. So it's it's it's a little
bit different. You could obviously buy a championship in soccer.
We've we've certainly seen how that works, uh, you know, overseas.
But any league that has a salary So does that
mean salary caps are a good thing or are they
a bad thing? I mean, I would venture to say
that when pat BULLA was running things, most.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Broncos fans would have said yay for the salary cap.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And I would venture to say that now the penners
and and their wealth is so far out in front
that that like they're they are more they have more money.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Availables than them than like the bottom.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I think it's eighteen teams or whatever in the NA
in the NFL, like I think Broncos face big, don
take the cellar check off, let's probably say.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
But for me personally, I don't think it's that you
can buy a championship.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
You may be able to spend.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Top dollar on top players hoping that it would bring
you a title, but we've seen in multiple leagues that don't.
That doesn't happen because in the NBA they have a
luxury tax where we see team now they.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Didn't use now.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
But you spend an enormous amount of money for talent
and it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
End up in a championship.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Look at the Phoenix Suns and the amount of money
they have invested in Bradley Beal, like Kevin Durant, right,
and so many other players, but that doesn't necessarily translate
to a championship. I remember a couple of years back,
kanse cd Royus won a championship.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
And that payroll was like at the bottom. Now, that
rarely happens.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
It rarely happens, but it's there. Like Sti and Brander
had tried for years to just kind of overpay for
players to hope that Yankees will win a championship. Some
of those years they have, some have not. Now you
think about the doc enormous payroll last year, Yeah, the
Yankees and they.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Were the two of the top three salary payrolls in baseball.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
They bought themselves championships, right.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
But but for me, that doesn't always happen, because it's
about the individual players themselves in team sports, right, Because
Albert Haynesworth was the first one hundred million dollar a
guy right that Washington pay and that didn't work well
for them.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
It doesn't work in football.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
First of all, if you're over paying like that for
a guy like that, then you know, the Commanders showed
that how exactly how that doesn't work in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I don't believe that you can in the.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
NFL, sespecially, like I said, with the salary cap, there's
just too much parody.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
And with the injuries and the way the things go.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I mean, it's not like you know, baseball and basketball,
you just don't see injuries like that.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
You just don't.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
The frequency of injury is not as much, the severity
of injury is not as much.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
You just don't see things like that. And so I
think that football has.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Too many variables for you to be able to buy
a championship per se.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Well, even though teams try to do it every year
by making quarterbacks the most or the highest pay.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Gods, that's real business though, I mean, okay.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
But yeah, but for me, it goes back to one
player is not going to change your jectory to me
in any sport with the way I think about it,
Because hell, take the Buffalo Bills for instance. Right, look
at what Josh Allen did last night, right, extraordinary, given props,
but is that performance alone every single game going to.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Help them and they lost.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
By the way, Yes they lost, and I'm like, no,
it's someone. So many times the whole team concept gets lost.
Can you add some valuable pieces? Absolutely, distribution of wealth,
in my opinion, it helps teams because you have guys
at marquee position that can help your team win.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
But putting your chips you.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Guy that you know like to bet the odds, putting
all your chips at the center of the table for
one particular guy. For me, I don't think that that
that's a worthwhile philosophy that has a lot of longevity
to it.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah, I think God, I just want to say, I
think you know you're right.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
But I think the problem with removing the salary cap,
kind of to your son's point, isn't so much about
allowing teams to chase the Juan Soto's. It's allowing the
teams that have chased the Kevin Durantz, the Bradley Beals,
the Devin Bookers to not have to worry about the
depth concerns and cannibalizing their bench to afford those luxury assets.
I think it's about the holes. If there's no salary cap,
(28:23):
you don't have to worry about the holes. Signing a
Lamar Jackson or signing a Josh Allen or signing the
Patrick Mahomes might create Well, you.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Know, who needs to spend some more money? About the
damn Rockies for instance, Why don't you get in the mix? Well,
there's no spending some money. They've been middle of the
league pay roll. But there's just say, middle of the
league payroll. They're gonna have to break some players off
to get them come here.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
It's bestally pitching. Well, that's sort of.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
That's the problem is that it's been tough to get
pitching to come out here. And that's sort of because
they well, I mean, I'm with you on that. If
we're that easy, you would just you know, overpay guys
to come in here and uh and and hopefully throw
throw well for you. But it hasn't. It hasn't worked
out like that so far. Now you don't really have
the bats that you used to have. They used to
have Murder's roll bats back when you had the Cargo
and and Troy Tulowitzky and all that.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Aer or not. But what does that mean when you
have a checkbook that you can't open, and if you
do open it players are going like, nah, I'm.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Good, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I just think that the larger point here is whether
or not to keep the salary cap, and I certainly
agree with it. In the NFL, though, and while I
am four guaranteed contracts, Deshaun Watson has continued to show
why you shouldn't do it as a business.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
So are you truly for it or you have? Are
you twenty percent? I'm hoping the player gets the bag.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
But at the same time, if you forced, if I
were a general manager, probably not offered jet.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
But once again, that's the cost of doing risk versus reward, right,
It's like playing.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
A stock market.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
You go back and you look at what people get
stuck with with, especially if you're trying.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
To move on from those things. And we know what
that that pain is like.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Because right now we can't spend our potential because of
the Russell Wilson situation.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I would rather my team be willing to spend than
not spin right always.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
That's that's and we've got those we've got those owners now.
But that was I did want to get it because
I think you can buy a championship in certain sports.
I just don't believe you can do it in professional
I think you can do it in college football because
there's no limit on the nil. I don't think you
can do it in pro football. So let's go ahead
and check in with UH with traffic with Dave O, Brian.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
But all Bright mcferguson, Zack Seeger's back there.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Look Billy Idle, Hey, you got to throw it back
for you guys.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I mean, I'm happy about it.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I love the fact that you're playing to Billy Idol
on here.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I just looked up. You know that we've got an
oldies folder. There it is there. This is what happened.
It's great idea. I know all Bright's gonna like all
the one right there.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I just looked at the folder under Geezers and there
it was right there, Geriatric all I was applauding Billy Idol,
not Pat boone.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Five six zeros and text Line'm going to quite a
few texts coming in towards and force as I do
my best to be intellectually consistent. I like the salary
cap and keeping guardrails. It allows the intangible to have
a lot more meaning.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
So there you go. One for the salary cap anyone
two says tell him, Nick, we.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Don't eat Soto, the Yankees Sabitation Domingos.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Hey man, look, the Yankees keep on moving forward. Can't
say the same thing for every baseball franchise.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I would look, I can't say that I'm still letting go. Yeah,
sure the Yankees should buy whoever they want to. Oh
you boys? Okay?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
With the Broncos making a move up Chanty in the draft,
even if that move is moving up ten or so spots,
I think he could really add so much of this
growing offense. I'm sure he, along with Tyler Warrenner being
scouted by us to be the next Joker, beat the
Colts this week.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
It's why in monument, I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I would be surprised if chance he was was the
Broncos pick I would I'm not, I would just be surprised.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I would certainly be stunned if they moved up to
do that.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I think that there's some other guys that they get
the kid from Iowa, Caleb I'm blanket on his name,
the running back Johnson, Kim Johnson, and then you get.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
O'marion Hampton, uh Sean Payton. If you're looking for for running.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Backs, Sean Payton likes guys that weigh about that two
twenty to two twenty five built, you know, usually built
that he keeps one, usually keeps one little like what
I like to call jitterbug running back around the darren Sprolls,
you know, Juel's mclough and he keeps one of those
guys around. But most of the running backs they roster
tend to be huge. They tend to be they tend
to be thick running backs. You guys like Mark Ingram
(32:41):
and Pierre Thomas and Latavious Murray, even Alvin Kamara. You
know Alvin Kamara I think was two fifteen to two twenty.
But most of the running backs that Sean Payton has
drafted over the years tend to be guys that weigh
in that two twenty five to twenty to two thirty range,
and they catch well out of the backfield.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
They can be they can they can do that. They
can catch balls out of the backfield, pass protect well.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
So go look, if you're looking for running backs, looking
for running backs to receive well, the weigh in that
two twenty to two twenty five range, and those are
probably the archetypes that you're that you're gonna be looking
at for guys that Sean Payton probably dressed. I would
be surprised if chance he was that guy.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I would not stunned.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I would be stunned if they moved up for him,
but I would be surprised if he was if he
was their guy. Although you know, I get it, people
see the talent and they want him to go from
the blue and orange Broncos to the blue and orange Broncos.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Well, all things being equal, well you are weighing and
evaluating running back to running back. Looking at what Zinti
has been able to do at Boise State, no one
can overlook that the guy has been phenomenal. I mean,
he is a Heisman Trophy candidate for Peak C and
(33:51):
you just think about what it would look like, is
hypothetically speaking in a Broncos uniform for a team that
is struggle to get their run game going and having
a running back that can do a various amount of
things is very important. But seldom do you find when
you find that guy, that guy is a gym. Because
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when we're talking about the guy who can run between
the tackles, he can run outside. He has that game
breaking speed where you don't see him caught from behind.
He's physical right, he has a lot of power in
his leg drive and he runs through arm tackles. He's
able to catch the ball out of the backfield, and
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he's able to step up and block a blitzing linebacker.
That's the prototypical running back that you're looking for now.
For me, I look at Gens and I say, well,
will he check all of those boxes? No, but most
of those boxes he will check because the Broncos need
a guy whether it's gents or anyone else that when
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you are getting into your four minute offense you could
grind out the cloth.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
You need a guy like that.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
And apparently there hasn't been any consistency or cohesiveness from
the running back position.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Do you have a bunch of guys who can do
different things? Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
And I'm glad you brought up some of those guys
who Sean Paygnon is quite familiar with, Darren bros Alvin
Kamara being one of those, Murphy being another one of
those guys as well. But when I look at the
game now, the game has definitely changed from what it
was before, when you just had one Bell Kyle Back.
It was just Emmitt Smith. It was just a Barry Sanders,
(35:30):
you sprinkler guy. Guys in there every now and again,
but it was just kind of one guy. Jen d
could be be that guy and the Broncos need a
gent like guy to put in the backfield to assist
Bo Nickson open up the field.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Form.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
You go back and looks and the other guys he's drafted,
Kendrick Miller, who was it came on after Candram Mill,
Kount Effort, he was there, but you look at the
other guys that he was that he drafted. He did
draft some of those smaller running backs, and there were
some guys like that that they did draft. Boston Scott
was one of them back in the day, and I
used like a sixth rounder. They did draft some of
those those scatbacks that.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
They were looking at.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
But you know, for the most part, Sean Payton has
has had a platoon of running backs over the course,
dating back his first year that they had Reggie Bush, right,
you know, they he's had a platoon of different kinds
of running backs. Uh and and they used they had
guys who were straight ahead, you know, bangers, guys like
Ingram or Pete, like I said, Pierre Thomas, Latavius Murray,
those type guys.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Uh. And then you know when.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Kamara came along, he was the first real bell cow
back that Sean Payton really rolled out there.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
He really didn't use them that much that way.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
But I think also what happens to based on coaches
probably history with backs and whey where they selected those backs,
I think in positioned them moving and moving forward to
present time, Well, we were able to get away with
these types of things back then, where we may have
been able to get away with the fourth round back
(36:56):
or free agent back, and we had a lot of
success until times they're stuck into that mix.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah, I think that, Uh, And that's the thing I
mean right now, that's the we've got this rotation and
it's just kind of none of these guys, I mean,
McLaughlin has showed the ability to be explosive at times,
but you don't want the body to wear down with
somebody who's you know, basically my size went all said,
and I shorter than me, but I mean anyway he's
went I weigh and and that body will wear down
over a seventeen game season. You know est May is
(37:23):
just not quite gotten to the point where he's got
the full confidence of the coaching staff and taken away
at their role. Chavante is good at all of the
things except running the ball right now. You know, that's
the thing. He catches well out of the backfield. He
pass protects really well. But his vision out of the
backfield this year has just not been there.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
And it's he's he's struggled to find the right hole.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Uh he's not, you know, breaking the same tackles he
used to break before the before the injury, and that
first step isn't quite what he used to be.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
See. I'm going to disagree with you on that because
when it comes to having vision as a running back,
we go back a couple of games. You know, you
look at that Saints game. That wasn't something that was
in question, but now it's coming into question. If you
see Javonte guessing with the holes, to me, I'm gonna say, well,
maybe be something where he's not confident with the guy's
(38:09):
blocking in front of him, because when you're running the ball,
you expect the guy's pulling a guy to pull and
you to find the right hole.
We got a big show for you tonight, uh Roamy
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Speaker 1 (00:43):
Why would you do that? You guys thought that'll chance
to win, and they did well.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I guess things didn't work out for you, Buddy.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
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Speaker 1 (00:57):
Doint last second dot manfield goal.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
That sounds like the comments for a guy who didn't win.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
That's what that sounds like. That could be.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I don't know, we'll see got the Heisman finalists. The
four finalists were announced, and I'm disappointed in all of you.
Dylan Gabriel and cam Ward are the other two finalists.
Not by guy Bryson Daily, who had as many rushing
touchdowns as Ashton Chancey.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
You guys told me.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Jancey deserves to get it, but not the guy who
had the same amount of touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Then only you were standing on that soapbox. Oh you
I'm fine being reason. I'm fine being right by myself.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
It's okay, I would I I am okay, absolutely, okay,
you go correct all by myself.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
If one is right all by themselves, in some cases,
that could mean that you were wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Everyone else is right. No, that mean everyone else is wrong?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Oh okay, yeah, that's in the world of one Benjamin
all Bright happened before?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yes, okay, just saying five six six nine zero is
the text line. You guys want to get involved in
the conversation.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
What do you think of that Heisman fors them there?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I think it's a great collection of talented athletes.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
That's what I think.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Then, as though you and I have talked about this before,
each one of these players one can make an argument
for them as well as one can make an argument
against them. But each one of the players in the
field is do we needed to be recognized for what
(02:35):
they did during the collegiate season, because at the end
of the day, isn't that what college football is mostly about?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Well, the Heisman's the most outstanding player, right, That's that's
what the what the deal is with that?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Right?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
The best college player, well, the most outstanding college is
what's called on right?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yes, so somehow Dylan Gabriel snuck in there despite having
twenty eight passing times and seven rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Wait wait, look, Dylan Gabriel is the quarterback for the
number one team in the country. They just went from
the Pac twelve to the Big ten and one the
whole damn thing.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
And oh, by the way, the team is undefeated.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Sod Well, there's argument to be made the team is undefeated.
Wait the heights in the war where you really think
about it? Even though it's given, the one player is
like a team awards player because if there is the
most outstanding player and he happens.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
To be on the team with.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
One or two losses, nine times out of ten, he
may not get the Heisman because everyone is.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Looking at it a little different. Well, they need to
quit look at it. Look for the most outstanding players.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, the most Here's the thing, your argument there is
going to end up ruling out one of the other.
It's either gonna rule out Gabriel, It's gonna rule out
cam Ward.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I have three losses. What the hell is he doing it?
However you choose to look at it.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I'm just saying for each individual person, they have a
different lens by which they look and evaluate who should
win the Heisman.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Well, I look at it like this.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
It's the The criteria for the award has stated is
most outstanding player.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Correct, most outstanding player. However, you whatever your criteria college football. Okay, sure,
best player in college football. We can do it that way.
I look at it.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
The way I try to determine that is, what would
this team be if this player wasn't there versus was there?
If Ashton Janty wasn't on Boise, would they be as
good as they are?
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Probably not?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
If Travis Hunter wasn't as good as he was, would
Colorado be where they are?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
No?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Probably not.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
If Dylan Gabriel or any other quarterback had been there
instead of Ylan Gabriel, would Organ still be number one?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Probably? No, No, they're dying.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
No, They've got talent across the board.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
The Boe Nickson was there last year.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Got if they get Dylan Gabriel come in and they're
basically the same team.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
And no Bolics was there last year and they lost
to Washington and Michael Pennix.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Not once but twice.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, they went up against a buzz saw team that
was by the way of the National Championship and lost
to them.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
They call it whatever you wanted, They didn't. They didn't
went from the PAC twelve. They met a much easier
schedule this year. They had a lesser player.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
First of all, people used to talk bad about the
PAC twelve and talk about the.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Big Ten and the SEC. Those were the two top
conferences last year.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Hey man listening with that down year stuff. Oregon went
on a run. They went into the Big Ten, right, Hell,
no mercy. It was like the first Gladiators, right they
they went in. They did work. So you have to
give credit for that.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
We can't just say, well, I'm placing them in the
College Football Playoff.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I'm giving credits. Wait, so so you're.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Only placing them in the college football Playoffs.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But you can't give Dan Lanning and coach year. Guy
could absolutely give Dan Lanning Coach the Year. Okay, So
if you go to.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Give Dan Lanning Coach of the Year, then what are
you gonna give Dylan Gabriel. You're just gonna leave him out.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Like Dat O'Ryan award. That's it, the Davey O'Brien Award. Maybe,
and that's it. Maybe. I think McCoy just might be
your army bias.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
It's not even that, it's just outstanding player, has the
NAS and Dandy had more touchdowns, but his team is undefeated.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
How do you overlook that? Ben?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Then we just give it to the Greg McElroy's and John.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Parker Wilson's of the world. Well, I mean Greg mcelroll.
Let's be totally honest, right, this is.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Against Greg McElroy. Did he really do against Greg mcelrock watching?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
What did you watch Dylan Gabriel this past weekend?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I've watched Dylan Gabriel for the decade he's been in college.
Came back to when he was at Central Florida before
he bounced there to go to Oklahoma, and then he
bounced there to.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Go to Oregon.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So bow Knicks leave, You could insert any quarterback. You
insert him, and they go on a crazy run, a
run that even bow Knicks didn't even go on.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Good for them, Okay, good for them. You got he
the most outstanding player. He's a good player on a
great team. Well, dude, when can say that about a
lot of players, then you good? Good, We're probably good, right,
we could, we probably we should.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
But that's not how you take this most coveted award.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I make a consideration, which is probably good that I
don't have a vote.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
That's probably good that you don't have a vote.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
That's how I look the most outstanding players a good thing.
Thank you for saying that. Would they still be undefeated?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yes, they would probably? Okay, because your door was on Orgon.
Would they be undefeated?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Maybe? Then they're not. He's not the most out.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Maybe here it's about when you when you're in that
quarterback spot, are you are you delivery right? Aren't the
anticipation the throws there? Are you moving in in the pocket?
Are you turning the ball over putting your team in
the best possible situation, or are you hurting your team?
Gabriel didn't hurt.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Over again, hurting someone is not there's a difference.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
He did not hurt them, didn't hurt people, also put
them in great position. Looking at some of the throws
he made against Penn State player, I'm saying he's not
the best place. Well okay, but he may not be
the best player, but he should he be in New
York City at the Heisman Trophy presentation.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Give damn RDY show.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Absolutely not tell me why, neither one why camera will
by your own admission, cam Ward to Miami have three losses.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
He can't be in there because well, the reason we
didn't help cam Going back to the whole, even though
it's given the one person, it's a team of war.
Miami defense did not have helped kick defense. No, no, if
you listen to what I said, I said, the ward
is given out to one single person.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Is the team award.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Because if you're a quarterbacking you put up forty two
points and your defense gives up forty five points, you
in trouble.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I hear you in that point, I pop up.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
By your own argument, he has three losses, so he
can't beat cam Ward can't be considered.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Statistically cam Ward forty one hundred yards, thirty six touchdowns
and seven interceptions. The guy behind him is Shador with
thirty five.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
So you're saying that cam Ward what he led the
league in passing yardage?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Cam had had you know, the second motion in the
yards in college football. He had the if I'm not mistaken,
the most touchdowns in college football.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Kim Woard did not have the most touchdowns in college
but I don't think. I think bryceon Daily had more
than you. I'd have to go back and double check.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
You might have.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
We had at least twenty get twenty nine rushing. He
had what eight passings, and that puts him at thirty seven?
And then did he have I don't remember. I he
had a receiving touchdown.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Okay, so you're talking combined rushing and passionate touchdowns?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
How many passages only led the NCAA and rushing touchdowns
for twenty nine? He also had to believe eight passing touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
I'd have to go back and look.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Okay, So he led the team in rushing as though
he should based on the offense that he's in, which
they traditionally run predominantly more than they pass. Yes, he
said he should have more Russian touchdown because you should
he use a running back playing quarterback?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Of course he should. Okay, I mean he's still you know,
so how you fishing?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Was he as a passer?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I'm pretty efficient?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Eight touchdowns, one one interception, eight touchdowns to one pick.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Now I'm not a mathematical genius. But eight touchdowns to
thirty six touchdowns? No, so are we are?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
We're carrying eight to thirty six. You're carrying the whole
summation of what he does.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Not there we are When you compare an offensive points
per game, do you leave out the rushing dan?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
We should put him in a category with running backs.
Then put him in the running back We got rushing touchdowns,
put him in the category running backs.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
He tied the Ashton Janty, the guy you guys have.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
At the top.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
He let the NCAA hit rushing touches well tarder schedule.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Okay, well he tied genty, but he is not as
good as Genty is. And what in my opini on
what based on pure execution line like going back to
the water watching Genty against Oregon, you have.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
More touchdowns from outside the five than gent didn't wouldn't
get lamps from outside the five.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah, well, I expect that because your offense is predominantly
or say Army, his offense is probably ninety percent running
the ball right because his ball control, it's your So
inside the five yard line, you're gonna do the same
thing you do out in the field, which is run
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the ball, which is increase your opportunity to score rushing touchdown.
If cam Moore was in that situation where they ran
him more in the red zone, his rushing totals will
be up. The same could be said about Shadua sanders Hell,
the same could be said about any quarterback, and if.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
They threw more, his passing would be up. The ifs
don't matter. What matters is what happened. And at the
end of the day, the man scored thirty some odd touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Where did you rank Zach as well? And what in
total touchdowns? He ranked about fifth?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Okay, fifth and total touchdowns behind whom?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Sorry, what's say daily? If it was fifth and total touchdowns.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Yes, cam Ward is second and then Washington States John
Mattier is.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
In the air raid quarterback. I'm not going to hold
that against him. They throw ball all the time. I'm
not holding that against him. Who are the other who
are four and five or who was three or four?
Speaker 6 (12:32):
John Mattier with forty four touchdowns, right cam Ward with
forty one Cade Club, Nick Clemson with forty, Shador Sanders
Colorado thirty nine, and then Bryson Daily Army thirty seven.
The eight passing touchdowns in the twenty nine rushing as us.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Okay, well there you go, but cam Ward can't win
it didn't. Shador can't win it because they both had
multiple losses. Same thing with Washington State and Dylan.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Gabriel is seventh in total touchdowns thirty fourth, he's got
thirty five daily As thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Those guys can't But those other guys can't win because
they've got multiple losses. According to Knicks formula, here you
got to be a team that has like one loss
or no losses.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
It's not according to my particular philosophy, my ideology. It's
the conversation when you talk to other individuals. That is
the conversation that comes up, and it makes it really
difficult when you have another guy who's on the team
that's undefeated opposed to a guy with one loss, two loss,
or three losses. It makes it that much difficult because
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you're looking for, you know, players with unblemish records.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Should that be factored in?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
In my opinion, no one loss would be good, but
it is so what one loss of the season would
be would be good?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Right? What one loss?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Could one quarterback on that list has one loss?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
But it all depends on which lens are you looking through.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I'll look at the lens of excellence exactly. Of course,
I know a lot of people are talking about scatterball
and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Scatterbo would need like twelve touchdowns to catch Price a
daily like, that's how good that guy was.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Nobody saw him because he played for Army. But he
played the same strength schedule.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Is as Chanty, but the same rushing touchdowns as Chancey.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Has a lot to do with it, though.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Think about it, when Christian McCaffrey came out.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Of Stanford and people didn't watch, people didn't watch on
the East.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I'm blaming the people that didn't watch. I'm not blaming you.
I'm blaming that people.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I blame you.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I know how much direction of my vote went in.
But at the same time, there are certain individuals who
are obligated to watch every single college football game, right,
But because they're on the East Coast.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Right, you can't stay away. You don't stay away for.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Packed after dark where this is where PAC twelve after
Dark was such an idiotic it got They got host
because you're impacting your players and one that drafts that is,
and also being scouts being availed for for the I mean, yeah,
scott scouts will look but on the surface, now you
have to make the scouts do extra work.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Well, I gotta be up to lay their East Coast scouts.
That's why your regional scouts usually. But yeah, you know,
I'm not gonna go with the draft season, but I
think you're actoutely right an award season for college football.
I all agree with you there. They did host themselves
on that, and.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I think that that's part of the thing.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And I understand why people voted cam Ward and Dylan Gabriel.
I just hate it because they weren't the most outstanding
players in college football.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
They weren't.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Cam Ward might well be a great pro. Dylan Gabriel
might well be a good pro. They might, but that
shouldn't have anything to do with that. It should be
viewed through the lens of who had the most outstanding
season in.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
College football this year.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
And to me, there are three names that are so
far above everybody else that it's not even funny.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
And that's Chanty, Travis Hunter and Bright.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Well what was again, here's the other part that goes
along with that. For as far as Heisman push, it
is on your athletic department, that's what.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Budget is, Army Hill on something else you as a.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Lawyer, Army, it's not even that promote that.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
It should have been more promotion on social media. They
did a poor job of pushing out, you know, their candidate.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
In the situation like the R battle should win it, huh,
so the PR battle should win it.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
It's all about branding. Well, I mean I brand your guy.
I'm trying to make your point.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I'm trying to but it's not my job to play
on the field.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Should do it?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Well? We ban We both know that's not how it works.
Should it work that way in the ideal society, yes,
but that's not how it works.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
It's about promoting and branding.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Are you constantly making sure the fan base and those
who are voting know what your player is doing and
if people are not really watching and payingtition and watching
your guy, they're going to gloss over.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And it's fair. No, it's not fair.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
But this is the life and the reality of what
happens in college football.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I just I feel like a Heisman caliber player gets stiffed.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Here's what it is. What I feel like. Well, Ben,
you forgot to do your part.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I did.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I tweeted it out. My part is he did the part.
He's the one that's playing.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
On the field.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I mean I do. I guess you didn't tweet enough.
Then maybe that must be what it is. I need
to tweet more. Five x six nine zeros text line.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
We got jants and actual football player whose team is
still contending for a championship. Gabriel played for a stacked team.
Come on, Nick, be better than this. That's from uh,
that's from the fright.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Wait wait, wait, hold on, I'm gonna let you go.
Oh go ahead. Uh, let's see the three H three.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Dillingham did what your guy d almost supposed to do,
and Scatabo is a superior player to twelve. I don't
know that I agree with all that, although Dillingham certainly
did what he's supposed to be in terms of winning.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Two one fources his head starting to hurt seven one forces.
I hope Ben ends up getting.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Getting to be involved in Heisman votes, college football rankings,
and all things subjective in the sports world. I would
love to see the chaos and watch them talk circles
around these groups.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
And then so I said, nobody says Scatabo should be
in New York over Travis Hunters.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Well I don't agree with that.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
So he once again glad to lie of these individuals
don't really have votes. Uh. It to means you got
to be realistic about the situation. Is it tough at
times during the evaluation process as you try to decide
who's going we're in place in them? Yes, But that's
the way it's supposed to be, finding out things that
separate each candidate from the other candidate. Right, what why
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you're looking to cast a vote for this guy oppost
to another guy?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I mean that's where you have to do your homework.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
But if you don't watch the games and you don't
break down the tape, it's gonna make it really difficult.
And then you're going to make a judgment decision based
on what social media and everyone else there are telling
you what you should do.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
It's an individual vote.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Where you, the person voting, you decide what stands out
to you.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
And this is why I'm telling you different. Yea, everybody
has there. It's just like an election, or everybody else
has a vote.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I'm just trying to make, admittedly too late, the case
for my candidate here.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Nothing to do. Did you get that?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
And it has nothing to do with being a fan
of Army or anything else. If he played for the
University of Idaho, like I would still.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Be making the same case. But see, just did you
hear Ben? This is this is my exact point.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
He just said that. This is me paraphrasing. Maybe he
kind of did things a little too late to highlight
and propped up his candidate.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Well, but it's a shame that I have to do that.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
The voters should be you know, this is where we live,
especially when it comes down to All Star what hell
any All Star NHL, MLB, the NBA, the NFL. He
comes down to fans voting and the teams and organizations
promoting that player to put them out there. Yes, should
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their play speak volues for them? Absolutely? I'm right there then,
But you and I both know in this business what
you need to do to get you your player, your
person at the top.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
If you don't do that, you fall short, and that
appears to be the case this time. We are falling
short of time. We got a whole bunch of Broncos
stuff I want to get to here next. Here's the
Broncos Country Nights, rayre On Kwa Heisman debate Country to
Night last segment still wrong, meck, but it's fine.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I'll be the bigger man in and just put it
behind us.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah whatever, My six six nine zero is the text line.
I do want to get into a bunch of the
Broncos stuff here, especially at Riley Moss that worked at
Jerry Jacobs today. Moss, my understanding is he's probably not
back until the Cincinnati game. Certainly, you know the Colts
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game is going to be near impossible, but then the
Chargers game.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
You know on a short week that.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
It's probably the Bengals game before he's back. They worked
at Jerry Jacobs. Nothing imminent there, but they did work
him out today. So I want to get into a
little bit of that here at a minute. One thing
I want to get into before we do that, though,
is the idea of the championships can be bought, and
I've always believed that this to be the case in
just about every sport. I don't think you can do
it in basketball much anymore. You have to have the
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right player, you know, to build around, and then the
big three to make it.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
But football is difficult. The NFL.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Football is difficult because you have a salary cap. But
every other sport just about you can. You can buy
a championship, or at least attempts to do so. We
certainly saw the Dodgers and Yankees, which, by the way,
as Sodo goes to the Mets. How ironic is it
the Yankees fans are crying about Soto choosing a team
for the money.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Well, first of all, aren't you a Yankees fan? Yes,
I am weird? How I set that up?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Well yeah, I know purposely. Am I as frustrated as
other Yankees fans, No, especially the New York the New
York based Yankees fans. Those are the ones that are
going like hell bent And I mean, you look to me,
we're in jerseys, But what are you weird those doings?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
You're the team that buys players. How are you mad
about this?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Well? It is the fact that you know it's not
being you know, being married and watching your wife divorce
you and go to some other guy who's kind of
a rival.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Except that you're the guy who who but Mary's.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Young girls for the do marry up for the money? Hey, listen,
you're that dude. You can try to make sense of it,
but you talk to regular New York as, you're not
gonna be able to make it make sense of it
because the idea is that you go from Broadway right
Broadway in the Bronx with the Yankees to off Broadway
with the Mets. Right.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
It's just like it really doesn't make the sense. And
I know, oh, I make hamps. Just look at the dollars.
That's a lot of sense, own a lot of a
lot of sense. The owner for the Mets got a
lot of money.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
It's like a fifteen year deal or seven hundred and
sixty five million dollars with I guess the centives to
jump to eight hundred million. But the crazy part of
it is that it's like, well, Toto had a choice
between the Yankees, the Mets.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
And the Dodgers, right, the teams with the most money,
the team that you that you just lost to right.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
The teams are the most money, right, and.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
It's just like even I'm like from a lodge, you
stay up for I get the money.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I totally get the money.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
But when I think about the Mets, the Mets only
have two titles, I think in sixty nine and eighty six,
and I did that, you fifteen year contract.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I mean, go ahead and take the money. I get it.
You got to be the man with.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
The Mets instead of just a cog of the machine
the other places.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Well, you're not just going to be the man.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
You're going to be the man who's going to get
a lot of booze when you don't take them to
where they are projecting that they should go unless you
do well, unless you do And I would have to say,
when Wiles Sonto's being a hell of a baseball player,
the chances of that happening for me?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I live this slim right. I'm with you, very slimp
And I don't want to get too deep in the
weeds on that. I just thought that was funny.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
But as far as the Broncos portion of this, we
have the wealthiest owners in the NFL, but we can't
buy a championship because of the salary cap in the NFL. Now,
it does make it easier to work around that cap
by accelerating bonuses with cash if you have that, and
certainly the Broncos are in a position to be able
to do that. Once they get rid of the Russ
chunk of the cap, they'll be able to accelerate bonuses
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and move around.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Have quite a bit of first till it really be
Can you buy a championship in the NFL. No, you
can't really buy a champion.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
You can, you can get the first of all, there
is too many pieces right the rosters too, it's too
many pieces. It's not like the NBA where you need
three guys and you're you're set. You find the right right,
right sprinkling around them and you got the right three
gut you're done. Uh or or Major League Baseball where
you get the right four hitters in a row and
you're you're good. Plus you need to you know, pitching,
but you know it's not fifty three guys you need
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and you're.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Constantly shuffling around. Plus.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
In the NFL, contracts aren't guaranteed Baseball. They are basketball.
They are fully guaranteed. So it's it's it's a little
bit different. You could obviously buy a championship in soccer.
We've we've certainly seen how that works, uh, you know, overseas.
But any league that has a salary So does that
mean salary caps are a good thing or are they
a bad thing? I mean, I would venture to say
that when pat BULLA was running things, most.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Broncos fans would have said yay for the salary cap.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And I would venture to say that now the penners
and and their wealth is so far out in front
that that like they're they are more they have more money.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Availables than them than like the bottom.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I think it's eighteen teams or whatever in the NA
in the NFL, like I think Broncos face big, don
take the cellar check off, let's probably say.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
But for me personally, I don't think it's that you
can buy a championship.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
You may be able to spend.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Top dollar on top players hoping that it would bring
you a title, but we've seen in multiple leagues that don't.
That doesn't happen because in the NBA they have a
luxury tax where we see team now they.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Didn't use now.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
But you spend an enormous amount of money for talent
and it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
End up in a championship.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Look at the Phoenix Suns and the amount of money
they have invested in Bradley Beal, like Kevin Durant, right,
and so many other players, but that doesn't necessarily translate
to a championship. I remember a couple of years back,
kanse cd Royus won a championship.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
And that payroll was like at the bottom. Now, that
rarely happens.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
It rarely happens, but it's there. Like Sti and Brander
had tried for years to just kind of overpay for
players to hope that Yankees will win a championship. Some
of those years they have, some have not. Now you
think about the doc enormous payroll last year, Yeah, the
Yankees and they.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Were the two of the top three salary payrolls in baseball.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
They bought themselves championships, right.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
But but for me, that doesn't always happen, because it's
about the individual players themselves in team sports, right, Because
Albert Haynesworth was the first one hundred million dollar a
guy right that Washington pay and that didn't work well
for them.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
It doesn't work in football.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
First of all, if you're over paying like that for
a guy like that, then you know, the Commanders showed
that how exactly how that doesn't work in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I don't believe that you can in the.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
NFL, sespecially, like I said, with the salary cap, there's
just too much parody.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
And with the injuries and the way the things go.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I mean, it's not like you know, baseball and basketball,
you just don't see injuries like that.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
You just don't.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
The frequency of injury is not as much, the severity
of injury is not as much.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
You just don't see things like that. And so I
think that football has.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Too many variables for you to be able to buy
a championship per se.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Well, even though teams try to do it every year
by making quarterbacks the most or the highest pay.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Gods, that's real business though, I mean, okay.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
But yeah, but for me, it goes back to one
player is not going to change your jectory to me
in any sport with the way I think about it,
Because hell, take the Buffalo Bills for instance. Right, look
at what Josh Allen did last night, right, extraordinary, given props,
but is that performance alone every single game going to.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Help them and they lost.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
By the way, Yes they lost, and I'm like, no,
it's someone. So many times the whole team concept gets lost.
Can you add some valuable pieces? Absolutely, distribution of wealth,
in my opinion, it helps teams because you have guys
at marquee position that can help your team win.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
But putting your chips you.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Guy that you know like to bet the odds, putting
all your chips at the center of the table for
one particular guy. For me, I don't think that that
that's a worthwhile philosophy that has a lot of longevity
to it.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah, I think God, I just want to say, I
think you know you're right.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
But I think the problem with removing the salary cap,
kind of to your son's point, isn't so much about
allowing teams to chase the Juan Soto's. It's allowing the
teams that have chased the Kevin Durantz, the Bradley Beals,
the Devin Bookers to not have to worry about the
depth concerns and cannibalizing their bench to afford those luxury assets.
I think it's about the holes. If there's no salary cap,
(28:23):
you don't have to worry about the holes. Signing a
Lamar Jackson or signing a Josh Allen or signing the
Patrick Mahomes might create Well, you.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Know, who needs to spend some more money? About the
damn Rockies for instance, Why don't you get in the mix? Well,
there's no spending some money. They've been middle of the
league pay roll. But there's just say, middle of the
league payroll. They're gonna have to break some players off
to get them come here.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
It's bestally pitching. Well, that's sort of.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
That's the problem is that it's been tough to get
pitching to come out here. And that's sort of because
they well, I mean, I'm with you on that. If
we're that easy, you would just you know, overpay guys
to come in here and uh and and hopefully throw
throw well for you. But it hasn't. It hasn't worked
out like that so far. Now you don't really have
the bats that you used to have. They used to
have Murder's roll bats back when you had the Cargo
and and Troy Tulowitzky and all that.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Aer or not. But what does that mean when you
have a checkbook that you can't open, and if you
do open it players are going like, nah, I'm.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Good, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I just think that the larger point here is whether
or not to keep the salary cap, and I certainly
agree with it. In the NFL, though, and while I
am four guaranteed contracts, Deshaun Watson has continued to show
why you shouldn't do it as a business.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
So are you truly for it or you have? Are
you twenty percent? I'm hoping the player gets the bag.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
But at the same time, if you forced, if I
were a general manager, probably not offered jet.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
But once again, that's the cost of doing risk versus reward, right,
It's like playing.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
A stock market.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
You go back and you look at what people get
stuck with with, especially if you're trying.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
To move on from those things. And we know what
that that pain is like.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Because right now we can't spend our potential because of
the Russell Wilson situation.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I would rather my team be willing to spend than
not spin right always.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
That's that's and we've got those we've got those owners now.
But that was I did want to get it because
I think you can buy a championship in certain sports.
I just don't believe you can do it in professional
I think you can do it in college football because
there's no limit on the nil. I don't think you
can do it in pro football. So let's go ahead
and check in with UH with traffic with Dave O, Brian.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
But all Bright mcferguson, Zack Seeger's back there.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Look Billy Idle, Hey, you got to throw it back
for you guys.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I mean, I'm happy about it.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I love the fact that you're playing to Billy Idol
on here.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I just looked up. You know that we've got an
oldies folder. There it is there. This is what happened.
It's great idea. I know all Bright's gonna like all
the one right there.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I just looked at the folder under Geezers and there
it was right there, Geriatric all I was applauding Billy Idol,
not Pat boone.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Five six zeros and text Line'm going to quite a
few texts coming in towards and force as I do
my best to be intellectually consistent. I like the salary
cap and keeping guardrails. It allows the intangible to have
a lot more meaning.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
So there you go. One for the salary cap anyone
two says tell him, Nick, we.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Don't eat Soto, the Yankees Sabitation Domingos.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Hey man, look, the Yankees keep on moving forward. Can't
say the same thing for every baseball franchise.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I would look, I can't say that I'm still letting go. Yeah,
sure the Yankees should buy whoever they want to. Oh
you boys? Okay?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
With the Broncos making a move up Chanty in the draft,
even if that move is moving up ten or so spots,
I think he could really add so much of this
growing offense. I'm sure he, along with Tyler Warrenner being
scouted by us to be the next Joker, beat the
Colts this week.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
It's why in monument, I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I would be surprised if chance he was was the
Broncos pick I would I'm not, I would just be surprised.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I would certainly be stunned if they moved up to
do that.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I think that there's some other guys that they get
the kid from Iowa, Caleb I'm blanket on his name,
the running back Johnson, Kim Johnson, and then you get.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
O'marion Hampton, uh Sean Payton. If you're looking for for running.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Backs, Sean Payton likes guys that weigh about that two
twenty to two twenty five built, you know, usually built
that he keeps one, usually keeps one little like what
I like to call jitterbug running back around the darren Sprolls,
you know, Juel's mclough and he keeps one of those
guys around. But most of the running backs they roster
tend to be huge. They tend to be they tend
to be thick running backs. You guys like Mark Ingram
(32:41):
and Pierre Thomas and Latavious Murray, even Alvin Kamara. You
know Alvin Kamara I think was two fifteen to two twenty.
But most of the running backs that Sean Payton has
drafted over the years tend to be guys that weigh
in that two twenty five to twenty to two thirty range,
and they catch well out of the backfield.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
They can be they can they can do that. They
can catch balls out of the backfield, pass protect well.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
So go look, if you're looking for running backs, looking
for running backs to receive well, the weigh in that
two twenty to two twenty five range, and those are
probably the archetypes that you're that you're gonna be looking
at for guys that Sean Payton probably dressed. I would
be surprised if chance he was that guy.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I would not stunned.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I would be stunned if they moved up for him,
but I would be surprised if he was if he
was their guy. Although you know, I get it, people
see the talent and they want him to go from
the blue and orange Broncos to the blue and orange Broncos.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Well, all things being equal, well you are weighing and
evaluating running back to running back. Looking at what Zinti
has been able to do at Boise State, no one
can overlook that the guy has been phenomenal. I mean,
he is a Heisman Trophy candidate for Peak C and
(33:51):
you just think about what it would look like, is
hypothetically speaking in a Broncos uniform for a team that
is struggle to get their run game going and having
a running back that can do a various amount of
things is very important. But seldom do you find when
you find that guy, that guy is a gym. Because
(34:13):
when we're talking about the guy who can run between
the tackles, he can run outside. He has that game
breaking speed where you don't see him caught from behind.
He's physical right, he has a lot of power in
his leg drive and he runs through arm tackles. He's
able to catch the ball out of the backfield, and
(34:33):
he's able to step up and block a blitzing linebacker.
That's the prototypical running back that you're looking for now.
For me, I look at Gens and I say, well,
will he check all of those boxes? No, but most
of those boxes he will check because the Broncos need
a guy whether it's gents or anyone else that when
(34:55):
you are getting into your four minute offense you could
grind out the cloth.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
You need a guy like that.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
And apparently there hasn't been any consistency or cohesiveness from
the running back position.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Do you have a bunch of guys who can do
different things? Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
And I'm glad you brought up some of those guys
who Sean Paygnon is quite familiar with, Darren bros Alvin
Kamara being one of those, Murphy being another one of
those guys as well. But when I look at the
game now, the game has definitely changed from what it
was before, when you just had one Bell Kyle Back.
It was just Emmitt Smith. It was just a Barry Sanders,
(35:30):
you sprinkler guy. Guys in there every now and again,
but it was just kind of one guy. Jen d
could be be that guy and the Broncos need a
gent like guy to put in the backfield to assist
Bo Nickson open up the field.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Form.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
You go back and looks and the other guys he's drafted,
Kendrick Miller, who was it came on after Candram Mill,
Kount Effort, he was there, but you look at the
other guys that he was that he drafted. He did
draft some of those smaller running backs, and there were
some guys like that that they did draft. Boston Scott
was one of them back in the day, and I
used like a sixth rounder. They did draft some of
those those scatbacks that.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
They were looking at.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
But you know, for the most part, Sean Payton has
has had a platoon of running backs over the course,
dating back his first year that they had Reggie Bush, right,
you know, they he's had a platoon of different kinds
of running backs. Uh and and they used they had
guys who were straight ahead, you know, bangers, guys like
Ingram or Pete, like I said, Pierre Thomas, Latavius Murray,
those type guys.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Uh. And then you know when.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Kamara came along, he was the first real bell cow
back that Sean Payton really rolled out there.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
He really didn't use them that much that way.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
But I think also what happens to based on coaches
probably history with backs and whey where they selected those backs,
I think in positioned them moving and moving forward to
present time, Well, we were able to get away with
these types of things back then, where we may have
been able to get away with the fourth round back
(36:56):
or free agent back, and we had a lot of
success until times they're stuck into that mix.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah, I think that, Uh, And that's the thing I
mean right now, that's the we've got this rotation and
it's just kind of none of these guys, I mean,
McLaughlin has showed the ability to be explosive at times,
but you don't want the body to wear down with
somebody who's you know, basically my size went all said,
and I shorter than me, but I mean anyway he's
went I weigh and and that body will wear down
over a seventeen game season. You know est May is
(37:23):
just not quite gotten to the point where he's got
the full confidence of the coaching staff and taken away
at their role. Chavante is good at all of the
things except running the ball right now. You know, that's
the thing. He catches well out of the backfield. He
pass protects really well. But his vision out of the
backfield this year has just not been there.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
And it's he's he's struggled to find the right hole.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Uh he's not, you know, breaking the same tackles he
used to break before the before the injury, and that
first step isn't quite what he used to be.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
See. I'm going to disagree with you on that because
when it comes to having vision as a running back,
we go back a couple of games. You know, you
look at that Saints game. That wasn't something that was
in question, but now it's coming into question. If you
see Javonte guessing with the holes, to me, I'm gonna say, well,
maybe be something where he's not confident with the guy's
(38:09):
blocking in front of him, because when you're running the ball,
you expect the guy's pulling a guy to pull and
you to find the right hole.
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