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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I mean Broncos Country tonight is rough up to Nick Ferguson.
(00:03):
I'm in for Benjamin Albright here tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
He's off.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
You just heard him with CHAOI Sports here with Nick Ferguson.
Great to see him, my man, it's been a while.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
It's definitely been mine. This is the first time you
and I have done this. Yeah, now I've done.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
We've done a podcast together.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Yes, we've done that before, but this is the first
time you and I on this type of platform together.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yes, it's crazy, you know it's also crazy. That's how
my media career kind of got started, was jump starting
the podcast that you and I did together because what
happened around the time the movie Concussion came out, you
and I talking about it because we both had concussions
while playing, and I remember going man full circle moment here. Obviously,
welcome in everyone, Hope everyone is doing great here this
evening Broncos Country.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Now, we've got a lot to talk about here.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Obviously, a lot of news in Broncos Country as the
team is preparing for the Indianapolis Colts on Sunday week fifteen.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Anthony Richards and that.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
We're gonna go through some previews are gonna have some guests.
Obviously here tonight is you know on the phone, we
have David Platty even older. We're gonna preview the Colts
match up a little bit more. But uh, forr I mean,
let's let's kind of set.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
The table a little bit. Here for the news of the.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Day, Garrett Bulls getting a contract extension, a four year
deal for him eighty two forty one point nine of
that guaranteed sow somebody can make up to eighty six million,
which hey for Garrett, his journey, his story.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Congratulations to him. Some mixed reviews. I personally like the move.
Here for the Broncos, how do you feel about it?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I love the move and I'm glad that you said
mixed reviews because.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I want to put some people on blasts.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Let's do it.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
I want to put some people on blast, and let me.
Let me start out.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I got a list of names here, and I've been
debating all day long whether I call these individuals out
by name, and usually I want to keep it real,
but I want to keep a profession who at the
same time, and maybe at some point I'll change my mind,
but I'm gonna be professor.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I'm not gonna call him out, but here's what I
would say.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Garrett Bose has definitely earned this money. If you look
at where Bowse was before to where he is now,
he is definitely.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
A change man.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Now you can say coach Streef and thank him for
the job that he's done with Garrett. But there's a
guy who I think is overlooked in this discussion about
the Garret Boles and his development, and that's Mike Munchak.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Huge.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
That is the guy who turned everything around for one
Garrett Bowles and I would be at practice and I
would sit there and I would ear hustle, and I
would hear certain members of the media talk certain ways
about players, but once they get in front of the.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Player, you and I both know it's a little different, right.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
But there are people have said things about Garrett calling
out the fact that, okay, well he's had a learning disability,
and they've used that again Garrett, Yeah, to say, well,
the quality player.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
That he isn't instead of focusing on what he is.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And if you've never had a learning disability, you don't
know what the struggle is to go out there every
single day and you're not just competing against your opponent,
you're competing against yourself. So I give Garrett a credit
load of credit for being able to take that criticism
push it to the side, even though it gets to
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you as a player, but to go out there and
play well and for all those suckers. That's why I'm
talking to you. You're driving in your car and you
listen to the program. I'm talking to you that talked
all that give a jabber about Garret Bose. But the
Broncos paid him in his extension chows the validation of
how they view him, and it doesn't make a difference
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what you say about him.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, well, I mean look at his evolution to right. Obviously,
coming into the NFL draft, everyone said, okay, is that
a reach for the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Initially, you see, you saw the physical trace there from
get early on right.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
But then you saw through the first couple of years
of his career some struggles in terms of just you know,
his past set holding penalties. Really, that's the one thing
I would say that when you look at the news
that came out today, still you saw people are like, well,
he holds too much. That's actually not necessarily true. Yeah,
He's had a few holding calls this year, and of
course it's brought back.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
You know, maybe a run. There was one play in
a game a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I'm trying to remember which one it was exactly. I
don't know if it was the Atlanta Falcons game, but
there was. It was when the it was when Denver
was up pretty big, and there was this one moment
where a defensive lineman for the opposing team, a little
bit well after Bo had thrown the football, was kind
of holding on to him. Garret didn't like that. He
went and need to finished. Guy gotten unecessary roughness penalty.
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I understand. I like the message you're gonna protect your quarterback.
I think the coaching staff likes that. But for Garrett
to overcome the struggles he had early on in his career,
they declined his fifth year option.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
We all remember that, and it was essentially, hey, you
got to go out there and you got to prove it.
What did he do?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
He went out there, He put together his best year
of his career, didn't allow a single sack. I think
that's and to your point, Mike Munchek was a coach
that came in and said Hey, I understand how to
work with anybody.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I think that's when we talk about transformational.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Coaches are very good at understanding how do my players
best learn. I can draw it up on a whiteboard,
I can demonstrate on the practice field, but I need
to know how every individual guy works. And obviously you've
had coaching internships, you've coached before. You know exactly what
it is. Now everybody's going to see it the way
you do, right, But how can you teach people in
a way that you understand it. Mike Munchak did that,
It reached Garrett. Garrett was receptive to the feedback and
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now he's applied that and he's also got the same
relationship now with coach Strief.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Well, this is where the power of coaching comes in.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Like if you open the Webster dictionary and you looked
up the word coaching, the first word for part of
the definition should be teach, right, And there are great
individuals in this game who come with a lot of recognition,
but they don't know how to teach.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
They know how to scream then.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yell to make you think that they're they're they're coaching
and they're teaching.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
And you've all had coaches like we we all had
those guys.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
But being able to tap into what makes that guy tick.
Right in the case of Garret Bo's understanding, Okay, well
he may be a visual learner.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Some guys, you put it on the board, they learn
it right away.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I wasn't one of those guys. I'm sitting there and
taking notes. I'm drawing diagrams so when I go home
at night, I can recap and go back over it.
And does nothing wrong with guys who have the ability
to do that because in this game, in life, we
always say, well he's smarter than him. Well, they may
learn differently, and that's your job as a coach to
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know how.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Each player learns differently and teach them.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Now yell and scream at her, I've seen enough of that,
yeah right, but teach the man. What happens that player
opens up to you as a coach. He's welcoming of
your teaching style, but you have to understand it. And
I go back to my early career when I left
the Buffalo Bill's practice squad and I joined the New
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York Jets, and Bill par Sales was there, and that
was one of the things that he did when he
set me down and he talked to me, I mean
to be totally fine. God, when you go in the
room with Bill Parcels, he closed the door. You terrified
as hell. Oh I thought I was about to get cut.
But what he told me, he was like, Okay, Well,
the art of coaching is understanding every player is different.
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You figure out what motivates each player and how to
teach them, and you turn it like a screw. And
these are the type of things that have helped Gara
Bowles over the years. Is he a perfect player? No,
that's like saying either you are we're perfect people. There's
no such thing. So yes, is there going to be
a holding call here and there? Yes, that's gonna happen.
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You hope, hope that is not a drive killer. Yes,
But my idea for Garrett is to continue to move forward.
Take all the negative things that people have said about him.
Look at where his life once was so look at
where his life is now with his beautiful wife, his kids.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
And the fact that the.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Team was willing to give him extension when at one
point they were not willing to do that.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I know this offseason we were uncertain what Denver is
going to do right, because obviously after the release of
Russell Wilson, then came Justin Simmons, which was a shocker,
I think to all of us. And at that point,
I think we all thought like, wow, Okay, now they're
they're rebuilding.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
So you look at the.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Next highest salary cap hit, like, oh, how are the
Broncos going to manage to absorb you know, the Russell
Wilson deal, and it's like, oh, they may have to
cut DJ Jones, they may have to cut Garrett Bulls.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
They held out of those guys.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
And now I think things are becoming very clear with
how the Broncos are building this team. Sean Payton, George
Payton's building your foundational pieces right.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
You know, you can go in and you can change like.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
A lot of positions and players can be interchangeable. But
when you think about, like what's valuable here to the Broncos,
what have we seen in.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Last year and a half, it's the trenches.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Last year, the Broncos run defense struggled mightily. What do
they do this offseason?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
They go get John Franklin Myers, they go sign Malcolm Roach,
you know, zach Out, You make a change of D line,
coach with Jamar Kaine.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
And then they invest in the trenches. You lock in.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
You know, you've got Mike McGlinchey and Ben Powers locked in.
You go in and you're locking in Quinn Minors to
a long term deal. Now, Garrett Bowle, so now four
of you five starters are on this team through twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
That's a good sign.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And you want to have continuity, right, rather than a
revolving door of different personnel. Because I remember the broncos
O line from the time that Garrett Bulls has come in.
Not only has he seen a change of coaches quarterbacks,
but also guys next to him and guys in those
position rooms that he's been in. He's been the constant factor.
And I think that's so important in today's NFL. And
I think it also goes to show, you know, even
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the culture that Denver's trying to build.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Because here's the thing, Garrett, after that.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Major injury he had in twenty twenty two, I think
there were a lot of questions, is he ever going
to be the same type of player? What is he
going to you know, can he come back from it?
He really worked quietly behind the scenes, came back the
year after his injury, he had a really solid year
last year, really good year, and then this year he's
playing at a high level. I mean, you just faced
two pass rushers and Max Crosby, Miles and Garrett.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
They don't get a sack.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
That's a testament not only did Bowls, but also the
offensive line in general. Now they're knowing like, hey, we're
gonna build with Garrett as one of those pieces. And
really ideally it's setting up the vision. This team is
being built around Bonnix right now.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Well it is. And it's like building a house.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Before you build a house, you have to lay the
foundation right and once you do that, you build the
walls and you do everything else. And right now, the
offensive line is the foundation. If you look back at
Sean Payton's history, and when I say history, not the
Dallas history, not being with the Giants where he was
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not in control, but the New Orleans Saints, the idea
was that you pour your money into your offensive line,
and what you do you.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Have you use the.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Rest of the distribution to say, Okay, well we're gonna
sprinkle out a couple of wide receivers.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Now we're not gonna have too many big money guys.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
We're gonna have a bunch of role players that work
well within the confinement of our s that the office
line is gonna protect, the quarterback is gonna play solid.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
There's gonna be a.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Solid scheme, and we're gonna make sure our quarterback is
the back of his jersey isn't green. Right, The money
in his pocket is. The money in his pocket is,
but his back of his jersey isn't green. And I
like this because when you look at the Broncos offensive line,
there's a large amount of money that's been distributed from
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you know, Quinn Miners to Mike mcglitchy and now Garrett Boles. Right,
So he said, okay, well you still got been powers
and things like that, and this is where we wanted
when you know, you look at what was happening last
year with Kushebert when he was like, oh, an idea
was like, how are you going to keep that consistent
and continuity? All of that is important because you're not
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only taking protecting the quarterback, but you set the stage
for the run game, which that's another subject. We haven't
really seen good on the track yet, but that's what
you're looking to do and Cody. I say this with
the fact of Broncos known as though they have bow
Knicks on a rookie deal, it allows them flexibility to
do so many different things. And oh, by the way,
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come twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six, knowing as
though you have a lot of money invested in some
of your vetteran players, it allows the Broncos and George
Payton to go out and get some versatile guys, guys
who can play center boat tackles, so you can add depth,
but you're not paying as much money for it.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, and look, I think as well, you start to identify, Okay,
our needs now going through the off season are going
to change a little bit, you know, or what are
we going to address in house? What are we gonna
look at in terms of the free agency market, how
are we gonna approach the draft? Like having these things
done before that, it certainly frees up the amount of
stuff on Obviously the front offices play in terms of
how they can build around bow Knicks.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I mean, I think it's to your point, you have
a really nice window right here.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
And look, the Broncos, I think are surprising a lot
of people with how competitive they have been here with
bo and obviously just a lot of rookie a lot
of young guys playing on the offensive side of the ball.
And obviously the coaching staff's done a tremendous job at
you to our koa common spirit health text line here,
one text says he's only given a one sack. I'll
take a solid blindside protector for a few penalties.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Well, you know what, sometimes when you play this game,
penalties are associated with the game.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
It's part of it. It's part of it.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
But the one of the penalties that fans remember the
most are the ones that take place in critical situations. Now,
to be totally honest, whether on offensive side of the ball,
defense side of the ball, Garrett, Bou's, anyone else, you
don't want those penalties. You don't want something that is
going to extend the drive. You don't want something that's
going to kill the drive. And there was a lot
of people who've had a lot of disdain for Garrett
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because in his first couple of years there are a
lot of holding costs. Yeah, and for me, I saw
the reason for that being his footwork somewhe so that
when Garrett was first here, I took some film and
I sent it to a teammate of mine, Kevin Maway,
you know Hall of Fame Center, And I said, well,
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tell and this is at this point he was coaching
at ASU. I said, look at this film. Tell me
what you think. Let's have a conversation. And it was
basically his footwork. And with both you and I playing
in the secondary, I don't care what position you play.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Your footwork is important.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yes, and this is.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
One of the things that make ps Wu a dog
at the position because his footwork is out of control.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Right is one of the best in the league.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
With Garrett, sometimes he would step under himself, which now
puts him in the trail mode.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
When he's facing a speed rusher.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
He's now trying to kick to get out, but now
he's late, so now the guy's even with him.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
He's turning the corner. Now he has to grab him.
What's saying, Yeah, it's that type of thing.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
And then it's the punch right when either left right
tackle get into the set and they're kicking back, is
are your hands extending away from your body or they're intight?
And the way that I look at it, like this Cody,
same rules applied for an offensive linement as they will
apply for a dB. And I look at the room.
Being a boxer, if you were to throw a punch
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at me right now, if your arm is already extended
at me, well I don't think you bruce Lee with
one inch plus so, but you're not gonna have a
lot of velocity. Well, you keep your hands tucked inside
of your body and then punch. This is where Garret
Bull's game has improved. If he were sitting in this
room with us right now, he would tell you that
even though he's got this extension, it.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Is only going to fire him up even more to
be a better player.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, And he was talking about today, you know, at
his press conference.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
He's put in a lot of work and really kind
of puts the ball on the Broncos court this offseason, saying, Hey,
I want to be a Bronco for life. I want
to stay here.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
They know where I'm at, and it's just about, hey,
can we find a way to make it happen?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
You know, I think you know another thing too, just
about the testament is just how much he's also grown
as a leader.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
And look, I know we talk a lot about on
field stuff, right I would be remissive. We don't talk
about what Garrett has done off the field. I think
his work and his involvement with the juvenile justice system
has been so impairtive. That's that's an initiative that's very
close and deer to the Walton Penner Family Ownership group.
And in terms of what the Broncos are also doing
as well, I've noticed a little.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Bit of a trend here.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Not only are the Broncos they're rewarding guys for what
they do off you know, on the field, but it's
what they're doing off the field as well.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
You want guys like that in your locker room.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Guys that you know, go against the grain a little bit,
you know, they go against what's.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Popular in society.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
You know, they carry messages what Garrett has been through
in his life. I've had a chance to talk to
him a couple of times and he's you know, he's
told me some of the things he's gone through. For
him to share that experience and to give back, I
think is important, and now he's got a larger platform to.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I think continue doing that going forward.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
You Know, here's I think is a bigger thing when
we look at this Garret Baus and the Broncos situation is.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
That there's only so.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Many players who are still holdovers from that John Elway era.
I think it's about three players. I think it's Garrett,
maybe Strnard, and maybe Courtland seven. And what you want
to show as an organization is that when you bring
guys in, whether they are drafted high, mid, or low,
that you're drafting and developing, and you watch a guy
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start off slow and struggle and he works his way
up to being one of the most dominant players at
his position in the league. You want to reward that
because here's what you do. You show other free agents
because twenty twenty five is gonna be a big year
for never Broncos.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
They're already paying half a rust salary.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
The rest comes off in twenty twenty five, So you
want to be able to show free agents from other teams, Well,
the Broncos are going to look out for their people.
And then if a team cannot keep their guys in house,
if I'm a free agent, is like, I don't want
to go there. You guys can even keep your own guys, right,
even though you throw a truckload of money at people.
But this move for me, if there's free agents out there,
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if there are other guys on the roster who are
up and coming that no one really knows about.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
They look at Gary.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
They look at some of the other veteran leadership and say, well,
these guys.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Go to work every day.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
They bring you hard hat and there Timlin boost and
they get after it. And you look at those guys
and you want to mimic. And that's what it was
when I was here in the Mike Shanahan and Pat Bowler.
You saw the veteran guys and they set the table.
So once again, kudos to the Broncos for getting this done,
and kudos to Garrett Boles for putting in the work
to get him to this point.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, and look, it's all about the climate.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
And when you were talking about that, I was just
thinking to myself, was like, you mean to tell me,
Nick that players can get better over time, they can
develop that What.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
A wild concept. In today's world.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
You'd almost have to think that they got to come
out of it right away. In the social media atmosphere,
like we live in such an instant gratification time and
I think Garrett Bowles is a great example of you
can struggle for a few years, but you can turn
it around, you can get into a position you need
and so much of it is stability all across the
board here.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
But we've got a lot more store for.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
You here on Broncos Country tonight. We'll continue to talk
about who might be next here in terms of the
Broncos maybe handing out in the extent you also talk
with CU's David Platty here in a moment on the
Common Spirit Healthline.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
This is Broncos Country tonight.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
You're listening to it here on KAWA and we'll be
back here in a minute. And everything that's going on
right now with the team and also around the NFL.
And Nick, I was gonna say, the last time I
saw you was the other night. You were you at
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the usually come hang out with me in the press BoFs.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You haven't done that this year. You kind of left
me hanging a little bit. Ma man, I know you
made that around.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I mean, I think you were catching up with the
former former teammate up there who's in.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
The scouting side of things. But uh, anyways, a lot
to go through obviously recapping the news here.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Garrett Bulls, Garrett Bulls signing his contract extension here today
we talked about the foundation of this team on One
thing we'll get into here a little bit later on
is who could be next on this recent run of contracts,
contract extensions, things like that here, but uh, obviously opening
things obviously opening things up here. One thing we can
talk about here, I think one thing we're seeing from
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Sean Payton, We're seeing it from George Peyton as well.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
When you're looking at this.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Young team that you have right now, how do you
best maximize the pieces around you? Right you have foundational
pieces in Patrick's Ertan. You have a rookie quarterback now Bonnicks,
who you believe is the future. You have a wide
receiver right now in Courtland Sutton who's obviously emerged as
his security blanket. Your offensive line is secured, and then
you go and you take care of guys like Jonathan Cooper.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
And I think that's.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
One thing we're starting to see a shift in mindset
because as much as John Elway has done for this
franchise from a free agency standpoint, from the draft standpoint
in his career, look back now. You mentioned to Nick
earlier that the one class there with twenty twenty. Justin
Sternad the loan recipient who's still on this team from
that standpoint, even he kind of got resigned this year.
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So the goal that George Payton said when taken over,
we want to draft guys, we want to develop them,
we want to get them to second contracts, we're now
starting to see that actually play out. No offense to
John l if you was still in I don't know
if Garabules would have gotten this contract extension, Cody.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I can't say that with certainty that it wouldn't have
happened or it would have happened.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
The only thing I could do is kind of look
at things to where they are now.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Because what's important is showing that you can retain your
own people. It's no different than any corporate business in
these United States. You can bring guys in, but can
you retain them and can you develop them? And then,
like you said, is the all important part both of
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the player and organization.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Can we get you to the second contract? Even better,
can we get you to a third contract?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
That shows a lot that the faith and confidence in
that player has grown since they won, but also that
that player has actually got better. Because when we look
at this game, and I don't know by two, but
I speak personally. I mean, when I first came into
the league, I was still raw, right, I'm still raw,
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But all I needed was someone to believe in me,
to give me an opportunity to hold my skills to
a point where I can develop into a decade long
player in this league. And for me, my experience is
a lot different from others. And the reason I say
that because there's a guy over there at the Broncos
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facility and he is their current GM and George Peyton.
When I was trying to break into this league, he
was a player personnel, so we were kind of starting
out at the same time, and he saw something in
me as a player that gave me an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Now I didn't stay with the Bears.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
That long, but him talking to me every single day
giving me that encouragement. And these are stories that people
don't know about George Payton and other people who coach
in this league or who are scouts that you can
go out and evaluate the player, well, what do you
do to build up that player in the building. I
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know some people are going to say, well, you're a
grown ass man. I don't need to build you up.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
But if you.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Understood how tough the business is of getting in the
NFL and staying there, getting validation encouragement goes a long
freaking way. So as we talk about Garrett Bowles, I
see a little myself.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
In his story.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
And I know how it is because when I first
came in from the Jets, I'm sure people didn't like me,
but I was going to prove to them that I
deserve to be number twenty five in the Broncos uniform.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
And that's what number seventy two is doing.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, no, and he certainly proved it to it.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
And look, you always have a chip on the should
and how do you amplify that, Like you make the
most of your opportunities.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
And look you were you had the.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Privilege of being, you know, in the Broncos organization when
Mike Shanahan was around. And look, you've been coached by
Bill Parcells, Mike Shannon. These aren't guys that make it easy,
but they're gonna get the best out of you. And
I've just remember some of the stories you and I
have talked about. We won't to talk about it here, obviously,
but just the culture, it kind of seems like it's
getting back to some of those things that you experienced
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as a player here in Denver, which I don't think
was necessarily around when guys contracts were expiring, you know,
after the Broncos won the Super Bowl, they're like, Ah,
we're gonna folcus elsewhere, Like we're not going to talk
about the extensions. We're gonna maybe contend on the market
a little bit. And I think that's a learning experience.
But I think it all goes back to George Payton's
ability to understand what it's like to start at like
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the ground, ground level, work his way up.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Understand it's not just.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
About evaluating players what they do on the field, it's
how are these guys, Like, what type of person are they?
How do they respond to criticism, how do they respond
to feedback, how do.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
They respond when things are chaotic?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
That, to me, I think is something that is a
little challenging at times, and we don't always talk about that.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Well, we're gonna bring you full circle so that everyone
actually understands this. You may not understand the intricacies of
scouting and bringing guys in and coach and axes and o's, but.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Here's what you do understand.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
You remember when you first started dating, right, you went
on that first date and it didn't hit as well
as you thought it was right that you had to
go home.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I don't say that. I don't think that ever happened
to me.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yeah, code whatever, Yeah, we mean so and so.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
So.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Now you gotta give me the Vinjamin all Bike treatment,
like you well a plus.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
All the time, I was I always have great first dates.
I always did.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
But I would say, my fiance, see there's the butt,
but you got to go.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
To second date, you got to go to.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Third day, and then I think that's where you're like,
all right, I'm not sure if it's working out when
I'll say this though, my first date that I have
with my fiance best date I've ever had my entire life,
best first date ever. The problem was I asked to Like,
I didn't ask her. I just hugged her and I
was like, oh no, I was in my head.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
It was after the fact, like after the date.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I was like, I'm all right, but she was like wow,
like and then so I was like, oh wow, I
didn't ask her.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It was like she probably you know. So we had
a second date with and it went perfect. And then I.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Asked her, you know what, to let you in on something,
right because you said your fiance yes, right, Wait the
first day you hugged her?
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Right, because that first date is always awkward, like do
you hug her? Did you kiss her? Do you figure
a hand, do you give a pound or something like that.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I don't know about that. I don't know about were dapping?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
What do you do?
Speaker 3 (26:19):
But see, you got to that point. You know how
you got to that point several years in your life.
You made some mistakes.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
That's right, development, that's right there.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
There are lines of development.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
So everyone understands that when when you're dating, you know,
we're trying to maneuver this.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Thing and we don't know how to do it.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
As men, we make a lot of mistakes because sometimes
we could be real stupid, right, real talk, because I've
been there, I made some some poor decisions, I've done
some god things right case some point, let me give
you a personal experience from my playing for the Denver
Broncos and my mom, my wife is pregnant with our
first child.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
So I come home from I'm exhausted.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Whatever, and she's telling them about a whole bunch of everything,
and I'm.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Like, I didn't get a chance to sit down, right.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
And then we get into this this heated conversation, and
I was like, well, what I'm about to tell you
I did?
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Do not do this, Please do not do not try
this at home.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I said, you're only mad because you're pregnant, right, And
as the words as Zach is.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Looking at my looking at me, shaking his head.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
As the words came out of my mouth, I was
trying to put them back in, but it was too late.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
I helped.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Did the couch feel good that night?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
No?
Speaker 4 (27:37):
It did not something from the couch for about about
about a week.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
But once again, the mart of the story is that
you live and learn the same way you live and
learn as a player.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
You live and learn in your relationships.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
It's just the only difference is no one's trying to
hit you in your but hopefully no one's trying to
hit you in your your relationship like they're trying to
tackle you in football. But it's a live and learn
situation and we should have the ability to develop to
change our minds.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Well, and I think whether you look at that from
the from the aspect of life, or in this case,
is we're also talking about it from football.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
It's you're never a.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Finished product, and so much of it is not just
like you're gonna be put in the situation, right, But
can you evolve with it?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Can you grow? Can you strengthen your weaknesses a little bit?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
And I think for Garrett, I just think for you
know a handful of other guys too that have been
in this league that we have seen come and go,
guys that are still on this team. I mean, I'll
get so many different examples, and I'm like, it's just
a testament of perseverance and are staying like, Hey, I'm
gonna have bad days.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I'm not gonna be my best self all the time.
But if I have the right attitude, if.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
I got like and I think the culture inside the
locker room that Denver has, it's very positive. These guys
all do things away from football, which I don't think
AJ Brown and Jalen Hurts are doing too much.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Of that right now. It's something we'll talk about a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Later here obviously on Broncos Country, and I will dive
into our NFL six pack here as well. But as
we approach the forty two minutes on the hour, we
will also get into, I think some other conversations I
want to dive into.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Is it time to be worried about the Denver Nuggets.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I know we're talking Broncos, but it's time to be
worried about the Denver Nuggets and they're slow start.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
We'll talk about that.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
You're listening to Broncos country to night on KOA.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Now I check on traffic with Davi O Brian.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
It's been all bright tonight and we got a jam
packed NFL slate. WHI also talking to some Denver Nuggets here, Nick.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I know that's something you and I were talking about
a little bit earlier.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
And obviously we'll have a plenty of Broncos conversation here tonight.
But I was talking about this a little bit earlier
in the week with with Ryan and Dave on ko Sports.
And the one thing I would say, like for me,
I'm a I'm a diehard Nuggets fan, right. I don't
have an analyst hat on when it comes to the
Denver Nuggets, nor.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Do I try to.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I actually try to enjoy being a fan, which means
that I actually got to experience the emotional side that
a lot of Broncos fans goo to experience when they're
watching the game, so well, for me, it's like I
understand it from a fan standpoint. I've been very disappointed
in the start that they've had this season.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Obviously twelve and ten, coming off of a.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Win against the Atlanta Hawks, obviously the other night one
forty one to one eleven, Nikola Jokic forty eight points there.
Their next game is going to be tomorrow night against
the Los Angeles Clippers, but Joki has had to really
carry the weight of this team so far this season,
especially coming out of the Olympics. How concerned are you
here about where the Nuggets stand right now after twenty
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two games.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
I'm a little concern And I like you, I mean,
I like the Nuggets.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I'm not a Nuggets fan, so I look at things
from a thirty thousand foot view and I pull the
motion out of it, and it's obvious that Nikola Jokic
is arguably the best player on the Nuggets roster, but
possibly in the entire association, fair point, and with him
pulling so much of the weight, I worry and I'm
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concerned about the breakdown because at some point players break down,
both physically and mentally.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
And I think it's going to be more minted with him.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
And the reason I say that is even though we
don't usually hear that much from the cola because he's
a very quiet guy.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I think he suffers in silence.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
And for me, it's like, I mean, there's a difference
in strategy between what coach Malone wants to do and
what Calvin Booth wants to do.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
See, Malone likes more of those.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Veterans because he knows what they can do and he
understands the window that Nicola Yoki is in. Calvin Booth,
in my opinion, looks at from the standpoint of we
want to add youth, we want to add depth, we
want to add value.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
But that hasn't translated because what does your bench look like?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, I mean you're not getting it's hard to get
consistent contributions, you know, especially you got Russell Westbrook coming
off the bench, which you know, you think a veteran
player like that will help.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
And you know, Jamal Murray certainly had a struggause. I
know there's been a lot of conversations.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Amongst the fan base about should Jamon come off the
bench a little bit more considering where things are at
with him.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I mean, it's just not the same Nuggets.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
I see it.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I know, only if.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Only people listening could see it. I mean, they might
be able to fill it through the mic.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
But the thing I think that stands out to me
is you've had this window.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Here with Nikole Yokich, who's playing the best basketball. It
feels like, you know, last year was his best year,
the year before that was his best year.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
And now he's playing where he's shouldering the load.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I mean, what he's doing also from three point line
right now for Denvers is pretty impressive, but it's not
sustainable over the course of eighty two regular season games.
And it kind of flows to the notion I've always said,
they got to cut it by fifteen to twenty games
in my opinion, to make it more interesting. I know
viewership is down around the NBA right now, but the
Nuggets they're going to have obviously the Clippers, and then
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they're going to go on a three game road trip
against the Sacramento Kings, Portland Trailblazers, and New Orleans Horlands
before coming back to take on the Phoenix Suns and
then obviously they're at Phoenix on Christmas Day that game
will be broadcast on national television.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
There some's just got to change.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I mean, and right there, I think Calvin Booth, in
my opinion, I think deserves a lot of the criticism,
and part of me feel like, okay, I was going
to give Calvin the benefit of the doubt, and then
now all of a sudden, now my thought of shifting is, wait,
is he actually I feel like he's taken on a
little bit more of what Tim Connolly has built and
now he's tried to do that in his own way,
and now it is completely backfired because you know, now
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a lot of those guys are gone. I understand you
had to let Bruce Brown go, like Bruce Brown was
going to go get some money. You wanted Bruce to
get the bag there, letting CACP go. Christian Brown's obviously
plan I think playing better this year, THANKCP. It's just
the core nucleus of guys that to me is a
little problematic. But that is our Denver Nuggets talk here
on Broncos Country tonight.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Anything you want to add on.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
To that, Yes, it's called a very important word. It's
called trade, right, the Nuggets going to start to have
to look at the trade. Which guys have trade value?
Can you move them? Can you do a one team deal?
Or it is a situation where now you're talking about
the three team deal. But what I know is you
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don't want to waste the valuable years of Nikola Jokich.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
You definitely don't want to do.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
It'd be a tragedy if that was the case.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Here, I've got a lot more coming up here on
Broncos Country and I will talk with ESPN Stephen Holder,
Colts Insider, so well, prove you a little bit of
Sunday's big matchup Anthony Richardson and the Colts coming to town.
A must win game here, not only for the Broncos,
but for the Colts. We'll get some insight and some
intel on them here on Broncos Country.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Now you listening to Broncos Country now on KOA
I mean Broncos Country tonight is rough up to Nick Ferguson.
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I'm in for Benjamin Albright here tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
He's off.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
You just heard him with CHAOI Sports here with Nick Ferguson.
Great to see him, my man, it's been a while.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
It's definitely been mine. This is the first time you
and I have done this. Yeah, now I've done.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
We've done a podcast together.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Yes, we've done that before, but this is the first
time you and I on this type of platform together.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yes, it's crazy, you know it's also crazy. That's how
my media career kind of got started, was jump starting
the podcast that you and I did together because what
happened around the time the movie Concussion came out, you
and I talking about it because we both had concussions
while playing, and I remember going man full circle moment here. Obviously,
welcome in everyone, Hope everyone is doing great here this
evening Broncos Country.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Now, we've got a lot to talk about here.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Obviously, a lot of news in Broncos Country as the
team is preparing for the Indianapolis Colts on Sunday week fifteen.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Anthony Richards and that.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
We're gonna go through some previews are gonna have some guests.
Obviously here tonight is you know on the phone, we
have David Platty even older. We're gonna preview the Colts
match up a little bit more. But uh, forr I mean,
let's let's kind of set.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
The table a little bit. Here for the news of the.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Day, Garrett Bulls getting a contract extension, a four year
deal for him eighty two forty one point nine of
that guaranteed sow somebody can make up to eighty six million,
which hey for Garrett, his journey, his story.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Congratulations to him. Some mixed reviews. I personally like the move.
Here for the Broncos, how do you feel about it?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I love the move and I'm glad that you said
mixed reviews because.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I want to put some people on blasts.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Let's do it.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
I want to put some people on blast, and let me.
Let me start out.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I got a list of names here, and I've been
debating all day long whether I call these individuals out
by name, and usually I want to keep it real,
but I want to keep a profession who at the
same time, and maybe at some point I'll change my mind,
but I'm gonna be professor.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I'm not gonna call him out, but here's what I
would say.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Garrett Bose has definitely earned this money. If you look
at where Bowse was before to where he is now,
he is definitely.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
A change man.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Now you can say coach Streef and thank him for
the job that he's done with Garrett. But there's a
guy who I think is overlooked in this discussion about
the Garret Boles and his development, and that's Mike Munchak.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Huge.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
That is the guy who turned everything around for one
Garrett Bowles and I would be at practice and I
would sit there and I would ear hustle, and I
would hear certain members of the media talk certain ways
about players, but once they get in front of the.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Player, you and I both know it's a little different, right.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
But there are people have said things about Garrett calling
out the fact that, okay, well he's had a learning disability,
and they've used that again Garrett, Yeah, to say, well,
the quality player.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
That he isn't instead of focusing on what he is.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And if you've never had a learning disability, you don't
know what the struggle is to go out there every
single day and you're not just competing against your opponent,
you're competing against yourself. So I give Garrett a credit
load of credit for being able to take that criticism
push it to the side, even though it gets to
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you as a player, but to go out there and
play well and for all those suckers. That's why I'm
talking to you. You're driving in your car and you
listen to the program. I'm talking to you that talked
all that give a jabber about Garret Bose. But the
Broncos paid him in his extension chows the validation of
how they view him, and it doesn't make a difference
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what you say about him.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, well, I mean look at his evolution to right. Obviously,
coming into the NFL draft, everyone said, okay, is that
a reach for the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Initially, you see, you saw the physical trace there from
get early on right.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
But then you saw through the first couple of years
of his career some struggles in terms of just you know,
his past set holding penalties. Really, that's the one thing
I would say that when you look at the news
that came out today, still you saw people are like, well,
he holds too much. That's actually not necessarily true. Yeah,
He's had a few holding calls this year, and of
course it's brought back.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
You know, maybe a run. There was one play in
a game a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I'm trying to remember which one it was exactly. I
don't know if it was the Atlanta Falcons game, but
there was. It was when the it was when Denver
was up pretty big, and there was this one moment
where a defensive lineman for the opposing team, a little
bit well after Bo had thrown the football, was kind
of holding on to him. Garret didn't like that. He
went and need to finished. Guy gotten unecessary roughness penalty.
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I understand. I like the message you're gonna protect your quarterback.
I think the coaching staff likes that. But for Garrett
to overcome the struggles he had early on in his career,
they declined his fifth year option.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
We all remember that, and it was essentially, hey, you
got to go out there and you got to prove it.
What did he do?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
He went out there, He put together his best year
of his career, didn't allow a single sack. I think
that's and to your point, Mike Munchek was a coach
that came in and said Hey, I understand how to
work with anybody.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I think that's when we talk about transformational.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Coaches are very good at understanding how do my players
best learn. I can draw it up on a whiteboard,
I can demonstrate on the practice field, but I need
to know how every individual guy works. And obviously you've
had coaching internships, you've coached before. You know exactly what
it is. Now everybody's going to see it the way
you do, right, But how can you teach people in
a way that you understand it. Mike Munchak did that,
It reached Garrett. Garrett was receptive to the feedback and
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now he's applied that and he's also got the same
relationship now with coach Strief.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Well, this is where the power of coaching comes in.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Like if you open the Webster dictionary and you looked
up the word coaching, the first word for part of
the definition should be teach, right, And there are great
individuals in this game who come with a lot of recognition,
but they don't know how to teach.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
They know how to scream then.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yell to make you think that they're they're they're coaching
and they're teaching.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
And you've all had coaches like we we all had
those guys.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
But being able to tap into what makes that guy tick.
Right in the case of Garret Bo's understanding, Okay, well
he may be a visual learner.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Some guys, you put it on the board, they learn
it right away.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I wasn't one of those guys. I'm sitting there and
taking notes. I'm drawing diagrams so when I go home
at night, I can recap and go back over it.
And does nothing wrong with guys who have the ability
to do that because in this game, in life, we
always say, well he's smarter than him. Well, they may
learn differently, and that's your job as a coach to
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know how.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Each player learns differently and teach them.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Now yell and scream at her, I've seen enough of that,
yeah right, but teach the man. What happens that player
opens up to you as a coach. He's welcoming of
your teaching style, but you have to understand it. And
I go back to my early career when I left
the Buffalo Bill's practice squad and I joined the New
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York Jets, and Bill par Sales was there, and that
was one of the things that he did when he
set me down and he talked to me, I mean
to be totally fine. God, when you go in the
room with Bill Parcels, he closed the door. You terrified
as hell. Oh I thought I was about to get cut.
But what he told me, he was like, Okay, Well,
the art of coaching is understanding every player is different.
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You figure out what motivates each player and how to
teach them, and you turn it like a screw. And
these are the type of things that have helped Gara
Bowles over the years. Is he a perfect player? No,
that's like saying either you are we're perfect people. There's
no such thing. So yes, is there going to be
a holding call here and there? Yes, that's gonna happen.
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You hope, hope that is not a drive killer. Yes,
But my idea for Garrett is to continue to move forward.
Take all the negative things that people have said about him.
Look at where his life once was so look at
where his life is now with his beautiful wife, his kids.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
And the fact that the.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Team was willing to give him extension when at one
point they were not willing to do that.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I know this offseason we were uncertain what Denver is
going to do right, because obviously after the release of
Russell Wilson, then came Justin Simmons, which was a shocker,
I think to all of us. And at that point,
I think we all thought like, wow, Okay, now they're
they're rebuilding.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
So you look at the.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Next highest salary cap hit, like, oh, how are the
Broncos going to manage to absorb you know, the Russell
Wilson deal, and it's like, oh, they may have to
cut DJ Jones, they may have to cut Garrett Bulls.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
They held out of those guys.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
And now I think things are becoming very clear with
how the Broncos are building this team. Sean Payton, George
Payton's building your foundational pieces right.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
You know, you can go in and you can change like.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
A lot of positions and players can be interchangeable. But
when you think about, like what's valuable here to the Broncos,
what have we seen in.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Last year and a half, it's the trenches.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Last year, the Broncos run defense struggled mightily. What do
they do this offseason?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
They go get John Franklin Myers, they go sign Malcolm Roach,
you know, zach Out, You make a change of D line,
coach with Jamar Kaine.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
And then they invest in the trenches. You lock in.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
You know, you've got Mike McGlinchey and Ben Powers locked in.
You go in and you're locking in Quinn Minors to
a long term deal. Now, Garrett Bowle, so now four
of you five starters are on this team through twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
That's a good sign.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And you want to have continuity, right, rather than a
revolving door of different personnel. Because I remember the broncos
O line from the time that Garrett Bulls has come in.
Not only has he seen a change of coaches quarterbacks,
but also guys next to him and guys in those
position rooms that he's been in. He's been the constant factor.
And I think that's so important in today's NFL. And
I think it also goes to show, you know, even
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the culture that Denver's trying to build.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Because here's the thing, Garrett, after that.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Major injury he had in twenty twenty two, I think
there were a lot of questions, is he ever going
to be the same type of player? What is he
going to you know, can he come back from it?
He really worked quietly behind the scenes, came back the
year after his injury, he had a really solid year
last year, really good year, and then this year he's
playing at a high level. I mean, you just faced
two pass rushers and Max Crosby, Miles and Garrett.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
They don't get a sack.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
That's a testament not only did Bowls, but also the
offensive line in general. Now they're knowing like, hey, we're
gonna build with Garrett as one of those pieces. And
really ideally it's setting up the vision. This team is
being built around Bonnix right now.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Well it is. And it's like building a house.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Before you build a house, you have to lay the
foundation right and once you do that, you build the
walls and you do everything else. And right now, the
offensive line is the foundation. If you look back at
Sean Payton's history, and when I say history, not the
Dallas history, not being with the Giants where he was
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not in control, but the New Orleans Saints, the idea
was that you pour your money into your offensive line,
and what you do you.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Have you use the.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Rest of the distribution to say, Okay, well we're gonna
sprinkle out a couple of wide receivers.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Now we're not gonna have too many big money guys.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
We're gonna have a bunch of role players that work
well within the confinement of our s that the office
line is gonna protect, the quarterback is gonna play solid.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
There's gonna be a.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Solid scheme, and we're gonna make sure our quarterback is
the back of his jersey isn't green. Right, The money
in his pocket is. The money in his pocket is,
but his back of his jersey isn't green. And I
like this because when you look at the Broncos offensive line,
there's a large amount of money that's been distributed from
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you know, Quinn Miners to Mike mcglitchy and now Garrett Boles. Right,
So he said, okay, well you still got been powers
and things like that, and this is where we wanted
when you know, you look at what was happening last
year with Kushebert when he was like, oh, an idea
was like, how are you going to keep that consistent
and continuity? All of that is important because you're not
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only taking protecting the quarterback, but you set the stage
for the run game, which that's another subject. We haven't
really seen good on the track yet, but that's what
you're looking to do and Cody. I say this with
the fact of Broncos known as though they have bow
Knicks on a rookie deal, it allows them flexibility to
do so many different things. And oh, by the way,
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come twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six, knowing as
though you have a lot of money invested in some
of your vetteran players, it allows the Broncos and George
Payton to go out and get some versatile guys, guys
who can play center boat tackles, so you can add depth,
but you're not paying as much money for it.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, and look, I think as well, you start to identify, Okay,
our needs now going through the off season are going
to change a little bit, you know, or what are
we going to address in house? What are we gonna
look at in terms of the free agency market, how
are we gonna approach the draft? Like having these things
done before that, it certainly frees up the amount of
stuff on Obviously the front offices play in terms of
how they can build around bow Knicks.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I mean, I think it's to your point, you have
a really nice window right here.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
And look, the Broncos, I think are surprising a lot
of people with how competitive they have been here with
bo and obviously just a lot of rookie a lot
of young guys playing on the offensive side of the ball.
And obviously the coaching staff's done a tremendous job at
you to our koa common spirit health text line here,
one text says he's only given a one sack. I'll
take a solid blindside protector for a few penalties.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Well, you know what, sometimes when you play this game,
penalties are associated with the game.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
It's part of it. It's part of it.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
But the one of the penalties that fans remember the
most are the ones that take place in critical situations. Now,
to be totally honest, whether on offensive side of the ball,
defense side of the ball, Garrett, Bou's, anyone else, you
don't want those penalties. You don't want something that is
going to extend the drive. You don't want something that's
going to kill the drive. And there was a lot
of people who've had a lot of disdain for Garrett
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because in his first couple of years there are a
lot of holding costs. Yeah, and for me, I saw
the reason for that being his footwork somewhe so that
when Garrett was first here, I took some film and
I sent it to a teammate of mine, Kevin Maway,
you know Hall of Fame Center, And I said, well,
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tell and this is at this point he was coaching
at ASU. I said, look at this film. Tell me
what you think. Let's have a conversation. And it was
basically his footwork. And with both you and I playing
in the secondary, I don't care what position you play.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Your footwork is important.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yes, and this is.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
One of the things that make ps Wu a dog
at the position because his footwork is out of control.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Right is one of the best in the league.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
With Garrett, sometimes he would step under himself, which now
puts him in the trail mode.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
When he's facing a speed rusher.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
He's now trying to kick to get out, but now
he's late, so now the guy's even with him.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
He's turning the corner. Now he has to grab him.
What's saying, Yeah, it's that type of thing.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
And then it's the punch right when either left right
tackle get into the set and they're kicking back, is
are your hands extending away from your body or they're intight?
And the way that I look at it, like this Cody,
same rules applied for an offensive linement as they will
apply for a dB. And I look at the room.
Being a boxer, if you were to throw a punch
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at me right now, if your arm is already extended
at me, well I don't think you bruce Lee with
one inch plus so, but you're not gonna have a
lot of velocity. Well, you keep your hands tucked inside
of your body and then punch. This is where Garret
Bull's game has improved. If he were sitting in this
room with us right now, he would tell you that
even though he's got this extension, it.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Is only going to fire him up even more to
be a better player.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, And he was talking about today, you know, at
his press conference.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
He's put in a lot of work and really kind
of puts the ball on the Broncos court this offseason, saying, Hey,
I want to be a Bronco for life. I want
to stay here.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
They know where I'm at, and it's just about, hey,
can we find a way to make it happen?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
You know, I think you know another thing too, just
about the testament is just how much he's also grown
as a leader.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
And look, I know we talk a lot about on
field stuff, right I would be remissive. We don't talk
about what Garrett has done off the field. I think
his work and his involvement with the juvenile justice system
has been so impairtive. That's that's an initiative that's very
close and deer to the Walton Penner Family Ownership group.
And in terms of what the Broncos are also doing
as well, I've noticed a little.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Bit of a trend here.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Not only are the Broncos they're rewarding guys for what
they do off you know, on the field, but it's
what they're doing off the field as well.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
You want guys like that in your locker room.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Guys that you know, go against the grain a little bit,
you know, they go against what's.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Popular in society.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
You know, they carry messages what Garrett has been through
in his life. I've had a chance to talk to
him a couple of times and he's you know, he's
told me some of the things he's gone through. For
him to share that experience and to give back, I
think is important, and now he's got a larger platform to.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I think continue doing that going forward.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
You Know, here's I think is a bigger thing when
we look at this Garret Baus and the Broncos situation is.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
That there's only so.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Many players who are still holdovers from that John Elway era.
I think it's about three players. I think it's Garrett,
maybe Strnard, and maybe Courtland seven. And what you want
to show as an organization is that when you bring
guys in, whether they are drafted high, mid, or low,
that you're drafting and developing, and you watch a guy
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start off slow and struggle and he works his way
up to being one of the most dominant players at
his position in the league. You want to reward that
because here's what you do. You show other free agents
because twenty twenty five is gonna be a big year
for never Broncos.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
They're already paying half a rust salary.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
The rest comes off in twenty twenty five, So you
want to be able to show free agents from other teams, Well,
the Broncos are going to look out for their people.
And then if a team cannot keep their guys in house,
if I'm a free agent, is like, I don't want
to go there. You guys can even keep your own guys, right,
even though you throw a truckload of money at people.
But this move for me, if there's free agents out there,
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if there are other guys on the roster who are
up and coming that no one really knows about.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
They look at Gary.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
They look at some of the other veteran leadership and say, well,
these guys.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Go to work every day.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
They bring you hard hat and there Timlin boost and
they get after it. And you look at those guys
and you want to mimic. And that's what it was
when I was here in the Mike Shanahan and Pat Bowler.
You saw the veteran guys and they set the table.
So once again, kudos to the Broncos for getting this done,
and kudos to Garrett Boles for putting in the work
to get him to this point.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, and look, it's all about the climate.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
And when you were talking about that, I was just
thinking to myself, was like, you mean to tell me,
Nick that players can get better over time, they can
develop that What.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
A wild concept. In today's world.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
You'd almost have to think that they got to come
out of it right away. In the social media atmosphere,
like we live in such an instant gratification time and
I think Garrett Bowles is a great example of you
can struggle for a few years, but you can turn
it around, you can get into a position you need
and so much of it is stability all across the
board here.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
But we've got a lot more store for.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
You here on Broncos Country tonight. We'll continue to talk
about who might be next here in terms of the
Broncos maybe handing out in the extent you also talk
with CU's David Platty here in a moment on the
Common Spirit Healthline.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
This is Broncos Country tonight.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
You're listening to it here on KAWA and we'll be
back here in a minute. And everything that's going on
right now with the team and also around the NFL.
And Nick, I was gonna say, the last time I
saw you was the other night. You were you at
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the usually come hang out with me in the press BoFs.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You haven't done that this year. You kind of left
me hanging a little bit. Ma man, I know you
made that around.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I mean, I think you were catching up with the
former former teammate up there who's in.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
The scouting side of things. But uh, anyways, a lot
to go through obviously recapping the news here.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Garrett Bulls, Garrett Bulls signing his contract extension here today
we talked about the foundation of this team on One
thing we'll get into here a little bit later on
is who could be next on this recent run of contracts,
contract extensions, things like that here, but uh, obviously opening
things obviously opening things up here. One thing we can
talk about here, I think one thing we're seeing from
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Sean Payton, We're seeing it from George Peyton as well.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
When you're looking at this.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Young team that you have right now, how do you
best maximize the pieces around you? Right you have foundational
pieces in Patrick's Ertan. You have a rookie quarterback now Bonnicks,
who you believe is the future. You have a wide
receiver right now in Courtland Sutton who's obviously emerged as
his security blanket. Your offensive line is secured, and then
you go and you take care of guys like Jonathan Cooper.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
And I think that's.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
One thing we're starting to see a shift in mindset
because as much as John Elway has done for this
franchise from a free agency standpoint, from the draft standpoint
in his career, look back now. You mentioned to Nick
earlier that the one class there with twenty twenty. Justin
Sternad the loan recipient who's still on this team from
that standpoint, even he kind of got resigned this year.
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So the goal that George Payton said when taken over,
we want to draft guys, we want to develop them,
we want to get them to second contracts, we're now
starting to see that actually play out. No offense to
John l if you was still in I don't know
if Garabules would have gotten this contract extension, Cody.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I can't say that with certainty that it wouldn't have
happened or it would have happened.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
The only thing I could do is kind of look
at things to where they are now.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Because what's important is showing that you can retain your
own people. It's no different than any corporate business in
these United States. You can bring guys in, but can
you retain them and can you develop them? And then,
like you said, is the all important part both of
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the player and organization.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Can we get you to the second contract? Even better,
can we get you to a third contract?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
That shows a lot that the faith and confidence in
that player has grown since they won, but also that
that player has actually got better. Because when we look
at this game, and I don't know by two, but
I speak personally. I mean, when I first came into
the league, I was still raw, right, I'm still raw,
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But all I needed was someone to believe in me,
to give me an opportunity to hold my skills to
a point where I can develop into a decade long
player in this league. And for me, my experience is
a lot different from others. And the reason I say
that because there's a guy over there at the Broncos
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facility and he is their current GM and George Peyton.
When I was trying to break into this league, he
was a player personnel, so we were kind of starting
out at the same time, and he saw something in
me as a player that gave me an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Now I didn't stay with the Bears.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
That long, but him talking to me every single day
giving me that encouragement. And these are stories that people
don't know about George Payton and other people who coach
in this league or who are scouts that you can
go out and evaluate the player, well, what do you
do to build up that player in the building. I
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know some people are going to say, well, you're a
grown ass man. I don't need to build you up.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
But if you.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Understood how tough the business is of getting in the
NFL and staying there, getting validation encouragement goes a long
freaking way. So as we talk about Garrett Bowles, I
see a little myself.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
In his story.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
And I know how it is because when I first
came in from the Jets, I'm sure people didn't like me,
but I was going to prove to them that I
deserve to be number twenty five in the Broncos uniform.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
And that's what number seventy two is doing.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, no, and he certainly proved it to it.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
And look, you always have a chip on the should
and how do you amplify that, Like you make the
most of your opportunities.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
And look you were you had the.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Privilege of being, you know, in the Broncos organization when
Mike Shanahan was around. And look, you've been coached by
Bill Parcells, Mike Shannon. These aren't guys that make it easy,
but they're gonna get the best out of you. And
I've just remember some of the stories you and I
have talked about. We won't to talk about it here, obviously,
but just the culture, it kind of seems like it's
getting back to some of those things that you experienced
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as a player here in Denver, which I don't think
was necessarily around when guys contracts were expiring, you know,
after the Broncos won the Super Bowl, they're like, Ah,
we're gonna folcus elsewhere, Like we're not going to talk
about the extensions. We're gonna maybe contend on the market
a little bit. And I think that's a learning experience.
But I think it all goes back to George Payton's
ability to understand what it's like to start at like
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the ground, ground level, work his way up.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Understand it's not just.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
About evaluating players what they do on the field, it's
how are these guys, Like, what type of person are they?
How do they respond to criticism, how do they respond
to feedback, how do.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
They respond when things are chaotic?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
That, to me, I think is something that is a
little challenging at times, and we don't always talk about that.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Well, we're gonna bring you full circle so that everyone
actually understands this. You may not understand the intricacies of
scouting and bringing guys in and coach and axes and o's, but.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Here's what you do understand.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
You remember when you first started dating, right, you went
on that first date and it didn't hit as well
as you thought it was right that you had to
go home.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I don't say that. I don't think that ever happened
to me.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yeah, code whatever, Yeah, we mean so and so.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
So.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Now you gotta give me the Vinjamin all Bike treatment,
like you well a plus.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
All the time, I was I always have great first dates.
I always did.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
But I would say, my fiance, see there's the butt,
but you got to go.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
To second date, you got to go to.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Third day, and then I think that's where you're like,
all right, I'm not sure if it's working out when
I'll say this though, my first date that I have
with my fiance best date I've ever had my entire life,
best first date ever. The problem was I asked to Like,
I didn't ask her. I just hugged her and I
was like, oh no, I was in my head.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
It was after the fact, like after the date.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I was like, I'm all right, but she was like wow,
like and then so I was like, oh wow, I
didn't ask her.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It was like she probably you know. So we had
a second date with and it went perfect. And then I.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Asked her, you know what, to let you in on something,
right because you said your fiance yes, right, Wait the
first day you hugged her?
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Right, because that first date is always awkward, like do
you hug her? Did you kiss her? Do you figure
a hand, do you give a pound or something like that.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I don't know about that. I don't know about were dapping?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
What do you do?
Speaker 3 (26:19):
But see, you got to that point. You know how
you got to that point several years in your life.
You made some mistakes.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
That's right, development, that's right there.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
There are lines of development.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
So everyone understands that when when you're dating, you know,
we're trying to maneuver this.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Thing and we don't know how to do it.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
As men, we make a lot of mistakes because sometimes
we could be real stupid, right, real talk, because I've
been there, I made some some poor decisions, I've done
some god things right case some point, let me give
you a personal experience from my playing for the Denver
Broncos and my mom, my wife is pregnant with our
first child.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
So I come home from I'm exhausted.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Whatever, and she's telling them about a whole bunch of everything,
and I'm.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Like, I didn't get a chance to sit down, right.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
And then we get into this this heated conversation, and
I was like, well, what I'm about to tell you
I did?
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Do not do this, Please do not do not try
this at home.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I said, you're only mad because you're pregnant, right, And
as the words as Zach is.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Looking at my looking at me, shaking his head.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
As the words came out of my mouth, I was
trying to put them back in, but it was too late.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
I helped.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Did the couch feel good that night?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
No?
Speaker 4 (27:37):
It did not something from the couch for about about
about a week.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
But once again, the mart of the story is that
you live and learn the same way you live and
learn as a player.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
You live and learn in your relationships.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
It's just the only difference is no one's trying to
hit you in your but hopefully no one's trying to
hit you in your your relationship like they're trying to
tackle you in football. But it's a live and learn
situation and we should have the ability to develop to
change our minds.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Well, and I think whether you look at that from
the from the aspect of life, or in this case,
is we're also talking about it from football.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
It's you're never a.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Finished product, and so much of it is not just
like you're gonna be put in the situation, right, But
can you evolve with it?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Can you grow? Can you strengthen your weaknesses a little bit?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
And I think for Garrett, I just think for you
know a handful of other guys too that have been
in this league that we have seen come and go,
guys that are still on this team. I mean, I'll
get so many different examples, and I'm like, it's just
a testament of perseverance and are staying like, Hey, I'm
gonna have bad days.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I'm not gonna be my best self all the time.
But if I have the right attitude, if.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
I got like and I think the culture inside the
locker room that Denver has, it's very positive. These guys
all do things away from football, which I don't think
AJ Brown and Jalen Hurts are doing too much.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Of that right now. It's something we'll talk about a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Later here obviously on Broncos Country, and I will dive
into our NFL six pack here as well. But as
we approach the forty two minutes on the hour, we
will also get into, I think some other conversations I
want to dive into.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Is it time to be worried about the Denver Nuggets.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I know we're talking Broncos, but it's time to be
worried about the Denver Nuggets and they're slow start.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
We'll talk about that.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
You're listening to Broncos country to night on KOA.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Now I check on traffic with Davi O Brian.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
It's been all bright tonight and we got a jam
packed NFL slate. WHI also talking to some Denver Nuggets here, Nick.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I know that's something you and I were talking about
a little bit earlier.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
And obviously we'll have a plenty of Broncos conversation here tonight.
But I was talking about this a little bit earlier
in the week with with Ryan and Dave on ko Sports.
And the one thing I would say, like for me,
I'm a I'm a diehard Nuggets fan, right. I don't
have an analyst hat on when it comes to the
Denver Nuggets, nor.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Do I try to.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I actually try to enjoy being a fan, which means
that I actually got to experience the emotional side that
a lot of Broncos fans goo to experience when they're
watching the game, so well, for me, it's like I
understand it from a fan standpoint. I've been very disappointed
in the start that they've had this season.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Obviously twelve and ten, coming off of a.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Win against the Atlanta Hawks, obviously the other night one
forty one to one eleven, Nikola Jokic forty eight points there.
Their next game is going to be tomorrow night against
the Los Angeles Clippers, but Joki has had to really
carry the weight of this team so far this season,
especially coming out of the Olympics. How concerned are you
here about where the Nuggets stand right now after twenty
(30:29):
two games.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
I'm a little concern And I like you, I mean,
I like the Nuggets.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I'm not a Nuggets fan, so I look at things
from a thirty thousand foot view and I pull the
motion out of it, and it's obvious that Nikola Jokic
is arguably the best player on the Nuggets roster, but
possibly in the entire association, fair point, and with him
pulling so much of the weight, I worry and I'm
(30:58):
concerned about the breakdown because at some point players break down,
both physically and mentally.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
And I think it's going to be more minted with him.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
And the reason I say that is even though we
don't usually hear that much from the cola because he's
a very quiet guy.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I think he suffers in silence.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
And for me, it's like, I mean, there's a difference
in strategy between what coach Malone wants to do and
what Calvin Booth wants to do.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
See, Malone likes more of those.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Veterans because he knows what they can do and he
understands the window that Nicola Yoki is in. Calvin Booth,
in my opinion, looks at from the standpoint of we
want to add youth, we want to add depth, we
want to add value.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
But that hasn't translated because what does your bench look like?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, I mean you're not getting it's hard to get
consistent contributions, you know, especially you got Russell Westbrook coming
off the bench, which you know, you think a veteran
player like that will help.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
And you know, Jamal Murray certainly had a struggause. I
know there's been a lot of conversations.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Amongst the fan base about should Jamon come off the
bench a little bit more considering where things are at
with him.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I mean, it's just not the same Nuggets.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
I see it.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I know, only if.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Only people listening could see it. I mean, they might
be able to fill it through the mic.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
But the thing I think that stands out to me
is you've had this window.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Here with Nikole Yokich, who's playing the best basketball. It
feels like, you know, last year was his best year,
the year before that was his best year.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
And now he's playing where he's shouldering the load.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I mean, what he's doing also from three point line
right now for Denvers is pretty impressive, but it's not
sustainable over the course of eighty two regular season games.
And it kind of flows to the notion I've always said,
they got to cut it by fifteen to twenty games
in my opinion, to make it more interesting. I know
viewership is down around the NBA right now, but the
Nuggets they're going to have obviously the Clippers, and then
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they're going to go on a three game road trip
against the Sacramento Kings, Portland Trailblazers, and New Orleans Horlands
before coming back to take on the Phoenix Suns and
then obviously they're at Phoenix on Christmas Day that game
will be broadcast on national television.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
There some's just got to change.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I mean, and right there, I think Calvin Booth, in
my opinion, I think deserves a lot of the criticism,
and part of me feel like, okay, I was going
to give Calvin the benefit of the doubt, and then
now all of a sudden, now my thought of shifting is, wait,
is he actually I feel like he's taken on a
little bit more of what Tim Connolly has built and
now he's tried to do that in his own way,
and now it is completely backfired because you know, now
(33:27):
a lot of those guys are gone. I understand you
had to let Bruce Brown go, like Bruce Brown was
going to go get some money. You wanted Bruce to
get the bag there, letting CACP go. Christian Brown's obviously
plan I think playing better this year, THANKCP. It's just
the core nucleus of guys that to me is a
little problematic. But that is our Denver Nuggets talk here
on Broncos Country tonight.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Anything you want to add on.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
To that, Yes, it's called a very important word. It's
called trade, right, the Nuggets going to start to have
to look at the trade. Which guys have trade value?
Can you move them? Can you do a one team deal?
Or it is a situation where now you're talking about
the three team deal. But what I know is you
(34:11):
don't want to waste the valuable years of Nikola Jokich.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
You definitely don't want to do.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
It'd be a tragedy if that was the case.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Here, I've got a lot more coming up here on
Broncos Country and I will talk with ESPN Stephen Holder,
Colts Insider, so well, prove you a little bit of
Sunday's big matchup Anthony Richardson and the Colts coming to town.
A must win game here, not only for the Broncos,
but for the Colts. We'll get some insight and some
intel on them here on Broncos Country.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Now you listening to Broncos Country now on KOA
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