Dr. Yan Katsnelson, CEO, USA Clinics Group | CEOs You Should Know

Dr. Yan Katsnelson, CEO, USA Clinics Group | CEOs You Should Know

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi everyone, and welcome to this week's edition of CEOs.
You should know I am Steve Dallison, and I am
excited to be welcoming the CEO of USA Clinics Group,
which is doctor Johan.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Thank you so much for being with us today.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Thank you Steve for inviting.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
We're excited to be able to jump into your journey
to learn a little bit about yourself but also the organization.
So why don't we jump right into it? Can you
share with our listeners a little bit about your journey
from being a highly skilled cardiac surgeon to now becoming
an entrepreneur and CEO of USA Clinics Group.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
I always say you never know what's the next turn bring,
and I guess I'm thirsty for interesting opportunities and whether
I have a choice to continue with something that's more
predictable versus maybe take a little risk but open yourself
for new opportunities. I'm guilty of taking this choice, and

(00:55):
most likely it's been very very good for me. That's
very lucky. Start as a heart surgeon, and I did
my medical education in Russia. I worked in Israel as
a heart surgeon. I worked in Italy, I worked in England,
and ended up put a fellowship in the Harvard and
bring them with Women's Hospital. And heart surgery is amazing thing.

(01:18):
It's pure magic. You know, someone has a broken heart,
you stop, you fix it and it works like new
or better. It's absolutely amazing. It's also if you do
things right, gives you confident that pretty much everything is possible.
If you do things, organize right and not take any chances.

(01:38):
You know, it's very discipline thing. And I found a
new iteration of magic in after twenty years almost of
heart surgery in minimal evasive procedures. Apparently I learned that
you can do fantastic things and cure people without doing

(01:59):
major intervaval you know, surgeons like big incisions, and then
they said, oh we can do big things, so small incisions.
And when you can do amazing things without any incisions,
it's it's another level of magic, which is sometimes doctors
do things for themselves because the love actions love doing things.
But for the patient, what can be better than minimal

(02:21):
risk and great outcome. And that's what's the magic of
today's medicine. Possible minimal invasive treatments of very common conditions
through needle hole with minimal no risk and extraordinary outcomes,
and that's what kind of allowed me to change the

(02:41):
course of my career and focus on this.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
That's awesome. That's an incredible, curdal journey.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
So what originally obviously you've had a very impressive journey,
as you just detailed out, But what originally initially inspired
you to have that passion for medicine and how has
that passion and that vision evolved over the years.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Helping people is great. I mean you if you're just
trying to think about life and what the impact you
can make, and I can't think of something better than
medicine in any forepe and shape, you know in them.
I have two girls there in medical school now and

(03:22):
as but you you know, mom and dad. You know
you're not really doctors. What do you mean? I mean,
you manage a large organization, you don't see patients, because recently,
in the last few years, I don't really see the patient.
So I told them, will that'd be nice? We want
to be real doctors. Okay that was a few years.

(03:43):
And what do you mean, We're gonna see the patients
like like you've done before? So I said, will that
be nice to help one patient? Yes? How about if
you can help five patients today, Yes, but what if
you can help hands of hundreds of thousands of patients?
Will that be nice? Is It's still we got it?
So I think I think today, day and age, you know,

(04:06):
with the technology and the opportunities for finding the way
to help more patients with a very cost effective, minimum
evasive procedures for common diseases that dramatically improve patients' lives
and outcomes and quality and longevity is a is a
great focus of ours and I think we have an

(04:28):
incredible team that also very passionate about this. And it
started from vain treatments. Who would think, you know, being
a heart surgeon, we you know cardiovascular, you know, it's
all similar. I never liked doing the treatment for veins
because it was barbaric. It was terrible surgery and I
could not believe, like woman, a man doctor, thank you,

(04:51):
not knowing that doctors just did the absolutely torture. And
when new technology came to do much better treatment catanious
and the ujasun not blindly with the needle hole and
the local anesthesia, when patients go home fifteen minutes later,
it was a pure miracle. And I had these patience
that I did the heart surgery that came for veins,

(05:14):
and I could not believe that how much difference in
their lives this minimum vasive vein procedures compared to heart surgery.
Because when people have a heart problems, they don't necessarily
suffering every moment. Sometimes they have you know, we're afraid
of heart attack, we're afraid of other things. And if
they exercise, they have a chest pain tight, but it's

(05:36):
not all the time. They are common conditions like a
vain you know, insufficiency when people have swelling and pain
and eaching and cramping, inability to sleep all the time
every day. And you know, America has a great medicine,
but if it doesn't kill doctors sometimes okay, you can wait.

(05:59):
It's not as important and it will not kill you.
But doctors sometimes don't feel patients pain. And when patients
get relieved from something like this, that's incredible, and then
we'll learned that we can do more because many patients
were coming to us not just with the vain condition,
but ourterial problems. You know, the blood has a circulation

(06:21):
has two parts, you know, arterial when the fresh blood
comes to the cells and venus like a sewer and
you take a waste. So first we were doing this
congestion from you know, venus part, but many people came
with arterial and we learn how to do those treatments
in the office as well, and then we'll learned that
we can do many, many other things. And we discovered

(06:43):
it's a shame to say I didn't know much about
fiber disease. Eighty percent of black women seventy percent of
white women by age of fifty developed fiber It It's
a benign tumor in the uterus, and it sounds like,
oh benign, it's not too bad. But those tumors really
ruined women's life. It creates a bleeding, prolonged heavy man's

(07:05):
strub period. It's number one reason for women to lose
babies because if you have a tumor inediuitors, it competes
with baby for space and blood supply and many many
other things. So basically complete ruins life. And most treatments
were like big barbaric treatments for veins surgeries switched to
percutaneous like original treatments for fiber disease were do nothing,

(07:29):
which is not good, or myme ectomy removing tried to
open the like a C section open and try to
remove these tumors, but you cannot remove all of them
in two three years fifty percent come back or hystrectomy
basically castration, Yeah, and sometimes offered in twenties and thirties
because women suffer. And that's what was standard of care

(07:53):
for twenty five almost thirty years was they approved ute
fiber umbilization and maybe one and women get this treatment.
So we kind of took upon ourselves task to educate
women to know that there are other options and quite
frankly bypassed in colleges bypus status quo, and it worked

(08:18):
and networked. We help many many women with extraordinary results.
And number of these similar conditions that's very common, like
prostates and what's there autricities that can't be treated percontaneously
without any surgeries just keep growing. So I think we're
on the right side of the future and just you know,

(08:39):
our mot don't be lazy to keep working.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Just so that's very exciting.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
That is it's incredible to see the innovation that you're
able to bring to the space and be able to
do all this good.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
And we have about one hundred and seventy locations, sixty
five percent of US population within driving distance to our location.
So I mean theoretically it's possible. So eventually we can
help almost everyone.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
That's great, that's incredible.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Well, with all the amazing advancements, I'm sure along the way,
there may have been some challenges.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
You also faced.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Can you share with us what some of those challenges
might have been and how you guys were able to
overcome them?

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Or we don't have any challenge?

Speaker 1 (09:14):
No.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
So in medicine, I think the biggest challenge is consistency, sure,
because it's you know, people argue is that art? Is
that science? What is medicine? And you might know nobody
asks do you know good Starbucks? Everyone else do no
good doctor? And it seems acceptable that the better doctors
worse doctors. People have different opinions. I don't know, I

(09:38):
think differently, you know, being a heart surgeon, I learned
that there's certain standards. I always know what's what I
say in court, but like what if something goes wrong?
So in a heart surgery, were very precise with indications
like one, two, three. You need to meet certain creders
because the burden of risk is very very high. So
if you subject someone to read, you better know why

(10:01):
you do this. So it don't take any decisions lightly.
And I took I also served the Navy, so if
you do something wrong in the Navy, you end up
that So it just like looking in the world more
like a black and white yes or no according to
rules or not. So we basically created this imaginary world

(10:22):
that don't speed, don't drink and drive, don't just do
the right things, and and we created the system in
our organization. We spend a lot of money, a lot
of time create a management platforms software that unifies everything
that based on the rules. So we help doctors to
make better decisions by gathering all the information as much

(10:45):
as possible objective from we'll just on machines from CD
from different things and presenting to the doctors already matching
to every single guidelines. So it will save time and
make sure that you know. Whatever we can do to
prevent inconsistency, we do within our power, and doctor using

(11:07):
this technology achieve extraordinary results like for example, for fibirds,
our need for recurrent procedure almost twenty five times less
than published data because of this consistency. So I think
that's the biggest challenge, how to achieve better results consistently,

(11:27):
and it will dramatically decrease cost of care and provide
a lot of transparency. And I think that's what we
need right then, decrease cost of care so that will
be enough care for everyone.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Sure, I think that that consistency in high standards allows
you to have all the different locations across the country
and correct confidence that the care that anyone is getting
their visits one of those centers is going to be.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
We can deliver what we promise. Yeah, correct, that.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Is that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
So you yourself pioneering a lot of advanced technology, but
I know something that is very important to you is
providing high quality care to the underserved communities. What drives
your commitment to this mission and how do you see
this approach evolving in the future.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
You know, I like excitement to make a difference. You know,
you take someone who is the sickest and make a difference.
I mean, it's important to help a little bit, but
to me, it's more exciting to help someone who suffers
a lot. The reality is an underserved community Unfortunately, people
even if you have access to care, I can say

(12:34):
that they don't have access to care. You know, they
have Medicaid. They have maybe even better access to care
than anybody else because it's free, but they don't use it.
Maybe metter of education, maybe a matter of other things.
So solving this gap and helping patients that suffer the
most because of whatever the reason they didn't have a
benefit of using the care excites me a lot. And

(12:58):
most of our doctors are very similar, you know, heart surgeon's,
vascular surgeon and eventual radiology individually people that went to
medicine to make a difference as much as possible, So
it's kind of very much aligned. You know too, we
like to make a difference. There's pathology and problems and
underserved population and I think everyone benefits. It just kind

(13:19):
of fits like a glove. And there's a lot of
work there, a lot of work and a lot of positivity.
And when people happy and thankful and you make their
life better, it's invigorating. It's really what excites us and
what moves us. And you know it's not difficult. We

(13:40):
enjoy what we do and have so many doctors work
really really hard and they have one doctor he was
a hard surgeon. Now, maybe he came to us sixty
five years old and maybe two three days a week.
He works six days a week, work really hard, And
ask Steve, why do you work that hard? I don't
work the best type of my professional life. I mean,

(14:02):
I enjoy every moment. And he's phenomenal here in New
York and New Jersey. So all of us like this,
and it's just I think that's that's why people should
go to medicine, to make a difference.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, it kind of is full circle. So when I
originally asked you why I went to medicine, right, it's
to have that passion and to help people. And I
think that it's refreshing and awesome to see that that's
trickling down to this important.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Practice in five countries. I visited sixty three sixty four countries,
and so I can tell you that many ways to
practice medicine. And the goal is to innovate. The goal is,
you know, it's not where's the pack now, where's the
pack going? Just imagine this in three four dimension space

(14:50):
where you want to be in a certain point of
time and space in one, five, ten years. I just
have a great team and work towards the goal, and
I think that's that's absolutely past sable today.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
That's great, Well, we've talked, we touched on this earlier.
Minimal invasive procedures have really become the hallmark of your practice.
Where do you see that role advancing in other shapes
of the healthcare industry or other healthcare delivery outlets.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
It's a great question. FIFA service like today's medicine. I
can honestly tell you know the opportunity in US cares
extraordinary can be, but overall results are not as good
as could be if you compare it to the costs
and many other things, because incentives is fee for service.

(15:38):
So people focus on treating what they're called chronic conditions.
That means the condition that never go away, and it
always brings FIFA service. It's a great business. We're in
terrible business. We I think the right thing is to
cure conditions, find the problem and just fix it, sure,
make it like touch and go with that's a magic.

(15:59):
It's maybe not a business, but medicine is not a business.
Medicine is about doing the right things. And I believe
that no country can spend fifty percent of GDP and
no employer can spend fifty percent of payroll on healthcare.
So and eventually music will stop and right thing will
be overwhelming. The right thing for everyone, just cure. And

(16:24):
in my opinion, what we do decrease cost of care
maybe tenfold, maybe twenty For example, fibrids, when women suffer
twenty twenty five years, overall cost of care can be
one hundred and fifty two hundred thousand dollars or more,
you know, between all the treatments and infertility treatments and
especially not going to work and not having career, and

(16:47):
it's just extraordinary for I don't know, ten thousand dollars
twenty times less. You can have a cure. That's fantastic, fantastic,
you know, vain, vain treatments. One two percent of medicare
pubulation sixty five percent or older have ulcers, broken skin
and ultuers that completely limit them from danes, from congestion

(17:10):
from poor circulation. And the cost can be one hundred
thousand a year in perpetuity. Our treatment is single digit,
you know, it's it's nothing, and it prevents this disease.
People I don't know don't look at this. When I
spoke with a large insurance company. They look at what

(17:32):
is the most expensive thing for them, running conditions, hard cancer,
other things. But and they in today's world, like how
can we control? What do we need to do? I
think they need to think a little different, how we
can either cure or how can we prevent? And I

(17:52):
think the most exciting thing for me and for hopefully
yours a clinics, and maybe for healthcare is to make
sure people live longer. Seventy percent of death are preventable.
It's at the heart of cancer, literally forty fifty that right,
But what's important preventable is it's It sounds like crazy,
but it's true. If you find cancer in stage one,

(18:16):
it's curable by definition. Stage one when it's a very
very beginning, it doesn't protrude, it doesn't go anywhere that
they can spread. So you fix it and that's it.
Like you never had a cancer if you find it.
So I'll give you example with lung cancer. Thank God,
it's getting better. And it's getting better because you know,

(18:37):
amazing thing happened. People decrease smoking. Who would imagine this
twenty years ago, but never imagine New York City restaurants
no smoking. No, we'll all live in a new world
and early detection. Fifteen million Americans can have for free
scan of you know, city scan, and before five years

(18:59):
survival was three and now find earlier can be ninety
five percent five to ten years of complete trend tables
and hard people mostly die from unknown heart disas because
it's a heart origian. I know, if you if you
diagnose almost its mechanical problem, almost everything can be fixed.
So early diagnosis is critical. And if you'll find it early,

(19:23):
then we'll make people leave and and it will be
very cheap. The only thing is medicine is built today
five a service, so if patient doesn't produce revenue like
chemotherapy and other things, it's not very good for business
of medicine. So I think we need to have a

(19:45):
big shift in incentives and focus. That's not this, but
actually what's important the outcomes and decreased costs, and the
best outcomes need to be rewarded. Don't know, I can't
necessarily for myself and make this difference, but we can
do it our part, you know, just trying to provide
the data be available against sixty five percent of US

(20:06):
population within a driving distance, and keep talking about this
to the right people and who knows now new administration,
that's let's hope for the best. And you know, there's
a lot of effort to think about health and the longevity,
and people talk about all the buy hacking and other things.

(20:28):
I don't know. We can talk about a lot of
mysterious things, but we can talk about very easy understood
and practical things like early diagnosis cheap and make a
huge difference. So I hope this message will be heard,
and I'm pretty sure it will be because you know,

(20:50):
eventually the right things come out. Many people think at
the same time, and when it's enough push it will
it will happen.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah, I message that a lot more people should be
listening to right it saves you on the monetary side,
but also long term better quality of life.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
And then your say, clinics is based on education of patients,
empowering patients, even if underserved community. It's not like just
opening offices in a bad neighborhood and bronx. No, it's
just educating the patients, educating a bad options. And I
think for patients, for people, get patients like people taking

(21:32):
care of the health they have. One body I heard
Buffett once talking to you know, students or someone give example,
like you know, if you would have a one car
for life, would you take good care of life? I mean,
like your body, your health, if you just have one,
would you take care of it? And and I think

(21:52):
we need to think this way that if you that's
your body, you need to you know, if you want
to have a long, deductive, meaningful life, you know, you
need to have about it that functions. And so I
think today with the technology, we can like planes don't
fall from disguise right, and they can be one hundred

(22:14):
years old because of redundancy and proactive maintenance. And if we'll,
if we'll have the same approach to the human body
and healthcare can be extremely safe and predictable and inexpensive
and scalable. So I'm very excited where we're going. I

(22:35):
think we can really discover new healthcare and new life
and hopefully you know, one hundred hundred and twenty years
old will be in a good shape, functioning. I think
it's achievable.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Well, I love that positivity. I hope you're right, and
I hope we do move in that right direction.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Okay, asking my thing, I'm right.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Another impressive fact about your is you did found You
were the founder of the Chicago Heart Institute, founded to
tackle complex cardiovascular conditions. What inspired you to create that
and what is the legacy you hope it leaves.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
That was a long time ago then when I was
a heart surgeon, and I really like what I'm doing,
And it's interesting. When I started at the University of Chicago,
I had the shows and the radio stations about heart
conditions and if you have a shortened of breath, if

(23:33):
you have this, let us help you. And part of
the Heart Chicago Heart Institute was how do we bring
top notch here to patients by educating them and providing
access transparency instead of overcomplicating and just saying all the

(23:58):
strange words that people don't understand. We just need to
provide the best care to the patients with the knowledge
and try to eliminate as many as possible middleman And
you know, from these it just transitioned to other minimal
invasive treatments that can help instead of one or two
patients a day to twenty or tens of thousands like

(24:21):
we do right now in our amazing organizations with the
one hundred plus fantastic doctors and great stuff and I
think I'm very lucky, very lucky, glad.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
To hear that well.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
I know we talked about this a little bit earlier,
balancing between your business acumen and obviously your experience within
the clinical medical space. How do you feel like those
two experiences combined make you a better leader in the space.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
I think when we being in touch with reality, you know,
understanding how to help the patients. I don't think you
can be the most effective healthcare leader can be a
doctor who things scale and about consistency. You know, if

(25:10):
you think too much or I'm a doctor. From doctor's perspective,
Oh I'm a doctor, I'm so important, I learned so much.
I need to get paid a lot. It's wrong think
from the patient perspective. How can you help one patient?
How can you help million patients? And if you don't know,
how do you help one hundred? You think how can
you help ten thousand? Until you find solution? And I

(25:36):
think using technology today, you know there's the EMAR that
was great thing that happened in the last twenty five years.
Bring electronic medical records, But most of electronic records it's
you know, garbage in, garbage out. It's just like fancy
word document. Sure, it's not structural data. You can put anything,

(25:56):
and that's why things are confusing. I don't think then
AI can read this and understand. Because people are people,
they sometimes put whatever the minimum they can get away with.
We approach very differently. We think that knowledge should be
gold and everything is structural data. So when you have

(26:17):
a data that's absolutely meaningful, every single thing yes or no, definitive,
and you put on top of this rule's best practices
and you track outcomes, it's incredible. That's the tool that
we use to treat achieve outcomes and talk about this

(26:38):
and track and I think it's very scalable. I hope
this approach will be patient first and structural data and
rules first before. Oh I'm a doctor, I know. I
mean that's I think that's that's what allows medicine to
be much better in the next few years. And I'm

(27:02):
sure many others will use this approach as well.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Well, another great approach that you do is while you've
been recognized for a lot of the great work you're
doing in medicine, you've also been recognized for.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
A lot of the great work you do on the
phil side.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
What advice do you give to other healthcare professionals or
those that are just entering the field to not lose
sight of the importance of giving back and being involved
in the lane for the piece out there.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
I think it's very important to think about big picture
why you went to medicine, helping people and helping people.
It's not only you know prescriptions, it's not only surgeries.
Just educate people about ability to live better and longer

(27:49):
and achieve more, maximize the life. I always tell that
our goal, for example, with the five words, is to
give women the best version of her life as early
as possible, and I think anything that we can do
to advance it. For example, we have fabrid Fighters organization
that we've found me and my wife, doctor Flora, maybe

(28:13):
seven or eight years ago, and that was amazing educating
women about different options and many When you have a
good idea, many great people joined, you know, with this
energy and contribute and it just grows beyond a regional
scope much larger. Another example that I really like it
is to say the child's heart. When I was in Israel,

(28:35):
we were doing heart surgeon and kids from around the world,
and then got a knighte Nation Award in twenty eighteen.
They treated more than maybe seven thousand patient kids from
all over the world, more than sixty countries for free
and established heart surgeon in many countries at the open
in Tanzania, and it's unbelievable. So I think always need

(28:59):
to think. You know, when I was a heart surgeon,
I knew two words when someone called thank you very
much right away. That's all You'll never ask, you know,
details insurance, This just like thank you for a trust yep,
let me do the best. And I think everyone who
goes to medicine or even healthcare need to think this.

(29:21):
And it's a beyond just job yep.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
We touched on this earlier, but I think it's an
important topic to dive a little bit deeper into, which
is access to healthcare. Right it's not just an issue here,
but really globally it's become a very pressing issue. How
what advice would you give to others in the healthcare
industry to change that? And how do you believe in
an organization like USA Centers is changing that way.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
I think it's an exciting opportunity because of technology. You know,
the people say medicine is local. I don't know, it's
not necessarily all. You have a good doctor around this
and you can access I think medicine is more about information.
It's about knowledge what's possible, and you know, doctor need

(30:11):
to have a couple advanced things like had to get
the data and maybe but to see and learn today
doctor Google can be smarter than doctors. I truly believe
that because with the information that constantly updates, it's possible
to have a system that's really up to date and
many things. What it means like travel ass cars provides

(30:34):
absolutely new opportunity for transportation. Sorry to say, but doctor
is medicine to me is the key to scale and
give extraordinary care anywhere for almost free. So I'm actually
extremely optimistic by utilizing technology and bring the medicine what

(30:57):
doesn't require surgery or other things basically free anywhere in
the world that becomes not local, global, I maybe we'll
get to the point that maybe actually care will be right.
I don't know, things that were not possible twenty years ago,
I see maybe realistic. Within the very short period of time.

(31:19):
We have a software that were actually between seventy two
hundred software engineers. We do it for maybe thirteen years
already that build system everything from voice of very pe
te lephany to control and track every conversation and EMR
that knows everything is as a structural data and rules

(31:41):
with digitalized rules of doctors and patient engagement like basically guidelines.
That's a bunch of PDFs and tons of books we
digitalized that it can in real time match symptoms, signs,
objective findings to all these rules and guidelines and suggest
the best actions, cost effective and extremely effective as outcomes.

(32:06):
And I think I think it can be used beyond
our organization needs and beyond just procedures and expanded. So
I'm very excited at what lies ahead of us, and
I hope we can make USA Clinics a very generic
name can make a broader difference and not even maybe

(32:28):
even beyond us. I love that.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
I'm excited to see the future and what's in store
for you guys. Next. We covered a lot today.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Do you feel like there's anything that we might have
missed that you wanted the listeners to know about USA Clinics.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
US Clinics has about one hundred and seventy locations in
thirty three states. We have more than forty locations in
New York City, Alan, So you know I love New
York City. And then we provide cure for many conditions,
vascular conditions, venus in sufficiency, arteries, fibirds, you know, women's
health state, we don't we we okay to take care

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of men as well. Instead of big surgeries, we can
just rink prostate with the minimum evasive percutaneous treatments. Now
we treat to our steratritis and and we're always evolving.
And what I can tell about USA Clinics that because
of the approach and data driven approach, I hope we
can deliver great outcomes to every patient that comes to us.

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That's at least our very hard work and intention. And
then they can find us on the USA Clinics dot com,
USA Fibrid Centers. And the most important thing, everyone needs
to be in charge of the health. You just have
one body take care of it with us, not with us.
But just don't ignore it, don't take chances, don't hope

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for the best. Just it's possible to have long and
happy and productive life. Don't ignore it.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
That's awesome, that's great advice, Steve.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Thank you, that was amazing spontaneous invitation.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
As I always love to ask one last question. So
there is no doubt in my mind that based on
your story and your journey and the future work that
you're going to do, you're going to leave a legacy
in the field of medicine for anyone tuning in that's
thinking about entering the industry or have that passion to
be able to help others. Like you said earlier, what

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advice would you give them?

Speaker 3 (34:28):
A high, aim high and know your stuff. I mean,
it's really everyone that asks in our organization want to
be very tall. People have a strategy, think beyond horizon
and dream and just don't waste your life in small things.
At the same time, you need to be put from

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the ground really good at what you do, and this combination,
if you can groom yourself to be you know, like this,
that would be you'll have excite life and make a
lot of difference, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
That's awesome. Well, thank you so much for joining us.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
I was absolute pleasure learning more about you, learning more
about USA clinics and all the amazing work you're doing.
So thank you very much for coming in.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Thank you awesome. Thank you guys for tuning in and
tune in next week. For next week's edition of CEOs.
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