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February 21, 2025 16 mins
Sports Editor of the Grand Forks Herald, Tom Miller joins Tim and Paul to discuss his new emphasis in following UND Football recruiting along with the story that UND Athletics will chose the "Opt Out" option at least initially when it comes to the upcoming House Setttlement. 
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Seven thirty seven, Friday morning, as we link up with
the sports editor the Grand Forts Herald, mister Tom Miller.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Morning, Tom, Good morning, gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Wow, Tom, I don't know where to start, Tim Moore,
do you want to start with Tom Miller?

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Well, I was gonna ask him about hawk Watch. Yeah,
what spurred this on?

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Uh, you know, there's kind of a few things in motion,
but yeah, it was just an opportunity to do something
a little bit different with the video series, and you know,
we'll take a look at twenty twenty six prospects and
get to know what they're thinking and what their experience

(00:46):
have been like interacting with you and d and so yeah,
just something different, going to give it a try and
and and see what people think. So kind of something
different being the front end of the process where a
lot of times, you know, we're tracking down kids after
they already commit.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
So well, I was gonna say, do you really miss
being on camera from the time when we were doing
you and the Insider all together basically and shooting those
shows and having that panel. Have you just been clamoring
to get back in front of the camera to do
more work.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yes, exactly. Actually, I mean it's kind of funny that.
You know, when I was in high school, I was wondering,
you know, do I want to go down the path
a sports writer or be on TV? And really what
sealed the deal was, I don't want to have to
care what my hair looks like every day. And so
that was pretty much the slam downcome going down the
newspaper route. So I guess I fixed that. But just

(01:42):
wearing a hat and on my videos, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Okay, Well, and again when you're dealing with in the
world or recruiting, and it's it's one that I've really
stayed away from because there is a segment that clamor
for it and are in on it daily. But the
thing about the recruiting world and the current young athlete world,

(02:05):
I just feel like the stories are changing. It's like
it's it's like an amoeba type of virus that changes
in your computer every time you turn it on, because
like the moment you blink, that student athlete has a
different offer, or that student athlete was committed to a
school that doesn't have room because they picked up a

(02:26):
fifty year portal transfer. So now high school athletes got
to look elsewhere because these schools are looking older. There's
so many permutations. Now it's a it's a wild ride
you're on.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, the tweets of one percent committed turns out to
not be one hundred and ten percent committed sometimes, and
that's some of the fascination way that too, Right, there's
some there's twists and turns that occur and gains and
losses and uh, you know, some people hang on every
turn and some people decide that it's just not for them.

(03:01):
And I'm gonna I'm gonna try to seek out the
people that like that, uh like that content. So so
that's my plan.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
So where where will that count content be housed? On
the the video side? Where will where will people find
that piece of it?

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, it'll be embedded into articles on grand work cheril
dot com. And then you know we've kind of had
snippets uh social media that that lead back to that
main uh, that main video. So yeah, right now it's
it's on it's housed on grand work cheril dot com.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, Tim, any what's next for you?

Speaker 1 (03:37):
I'm wondering what uh you know, you talk about prospects,
where do you get those prospects? I mean, how do
you find out about them? Is that from the coaching
staff or.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, it's a mix. I mean, I'm in contact with
the coaching stuff a little bit on on on who
they're viewing as top targets a little bit. But uh,
you know, it's also available on social media in terms
of who's being offered, who's receiving junior day invites. You know,
a lot of that is publicly accessible there.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, you know, that's that's where the investigative part of
the investigative reporter comes in. He he's gonna use all
those social media things and all the the ears to
the ground things with staff and high school coaches, I'm sure,
and and then the social media piece. It's, uh, you
you've got all your lines coming in so to speak,

(04:30):
uh to the the Western Union way back in the
day when they used to be Morris code. You you're
you're the person there sitting at the desk to ciphering
at all. And then you then you put it into
content that us normal people can understand. So that's a hey,
better you than me, Well, well that's true, or us

(04:55):
lay people can understand there we go better So better
you than me on this one. I'm gonna rely on you.
I will follow because I at least we'll try to
track down where you indie football is trying to to
find their next difference makers, that's for sure. So I
do have an interest, So I will follow and and
look forward to seeing your your content. But I will
try to resurrect you Indie Insiders. Again, I don't know

(05:15):
if we'll have any success in that. I always liked
when you and I and Schloss would go and discuss
our shoot with lunch over at the well not which
now is a case. He's back in the day, boy,
we had we had better conversations than we did when
we were on the panel.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Basically, Yeah, that was that was a good That was
a good post video shoot spot.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
It was we solved more of the world world's problems
there than we did on the panel of you Indie Insiders.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Tim.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Tim was a great host, but he he big timed us.
He was already out the door as soon as he
was done with the shoot back in those days.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
So yeah, I can't mingle with.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
The common blow exactly. You have the you have gravitas
to worry about, that's for sure. So hey, Tom, we
were just talking today and I don't have a lot
to add other than what you guys wrote on and
what Bill released in his statement about the opt out
in regards to the house settlement.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
It do.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
What I've tried to convey to people is you know
what I read in a statement is this doesn't mean
it's the end all be all for un D. I
think they have some genuinely genuine things are trying to
decipher that hasn't really been provided yet, is my take
on this. And you know, especially when you're being asked
to commit by March whatever, and yet the settlement isn't

(06:33):
even official and we don't even know if it will
be official on April seventh. That's what we're told. But
I've said, you don't go into buying a house without
knowing like what you got in the inspection. It's just
I don't necessarily blow this up. I get it where
other schools around the country are just going to do
it to say hey, we're in. But I don't even

(06:54):
know if people will deep dive to know what that
actually means for said school that does that doesn't have
to automatic op in opt in like a big time conference.
So lots at play here, but not necessarily a bad
move by North Dakota as they continue to gauge kind
of where this goes correct.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, you know, there's so many ins and outs, like
we've discussed. If you're an FCS football program, you know
the fact that the Ford Dakota schools with the best
resources in the FCS probably are on on the opting
outside in year one, probably that should be telling about
how this all sits, especially because the biggest, the biggest

(07:38):
thing issue at hand is if you have to be
Title nine compliant and and we're operating under the assumption
that you still do, then you're talking about a potential
for you know, you know more than a dozen kids.
You you might have to cut rights based on roster

(08:01):
cap limits. And if you cut a dozen kids on
the on the men's side, or you know, on the
women's side, you cut a dozen on the men's side,
And and who is willing right now to sacrifice enrollment?
I feel like there are schools around the country who
at the FCS level anyway, are going to opt in

(08:23):
and and to some extense see this as an athletic
department cost savings measure. They will never frame it that way, uh,
but but in cost savings at the athletic department level.
You're hurting yourself at the enrollment level at the university,
which is was my argument all along about why you
and d should shouldn't have cut baseball with all the

(08:45):
paying customers you had. It reminds me of that a
little bit, you know, so that that the biggest element
at play is Title nine and and what you would
have to cut and what it would cost you at
the athletic department, opportunities level and enrollment. Now that said you,
indie hockey is in a very unique situation and play

(09:06):
in a league with Arizona State, with private school Denver
that might never have to tell us what they're gonna do.
You're going to compete nationally against Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn State,
Michigan State. And as you compete against those schools, what
resources will they have available? Obviously there's a little bit
of an assumption that resources will be pooled towards football

(09:29):
and men's basketball, there will still probably be some that
can be earmarked for hockey. Does that put North Dakota
at a disadvantage? That's the biggest issue to me is
what does this mean for hockey at University of North Dakota.
You know, I might be more worried to North Kota
State when I have a football roster of one twenty

(09:51):
and I got to get down to one oh five.
But U and DI football's are already been operating in
that you know, one oh five to one ten range, right,
That roster cap isn't isn't you know, as impactful necessarily
when we're just looking at the roster cap as it
might be at North Akota State or in the Big Ten.

(10:13):
But hockey is a different beast, and obviously Bill pointed
out that there's a little bit of an uneven playing
field when non D one programs that play Division one
college hockey can cherry pick their their settlement terms. Do you.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Know that's interesting that I'm just going to add this
and maybe Tim is privy to so you know you
Indie hockey added a goaltender, right, so that put them
at twenty seven. So you think, well, that's not a
huge issue, but it can be when people don't realize that.
Sometimes when you add and you're over the limit roster
wise on a men's sport, you then have to take

(10:53):
into consideration. The department actually has to take into consideration Okay,
what does that do to our Title nine compliance with
our women's sports? Just by adding one male student athlete,
it could have been the vice versa on the women's
side in this instance it was, So you know, there's
always it's always a bigger picture that people don't realize
sometimes just by that. And then here's the other thing.

(11:15):
If there were roster limitations and you'd opted in, there
might not have been that opportunity to add in that
goaltender because the roster limitations so lots of things that
people don't even realize.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, I mean, you've got another big part of it
when it comes to college hockey is these roster caps
are in place kind of in lieu of scholarship caps,
so you can you could hypothetically provide in hockey twenty
six scholarships. If you're not an opt in school, you

(11:49):
will be kind of operating under the current system that
caps your scholarships at eighteen. So at least in year one,
I mean hypothetically you and d could be facing teams
with twenty six scholarships while they play with eighteen. That's dangerous. Now,
you know, there's so many layers to this, right, like

(12:12):
hockey to some extent guards against that with if you're
not a top six forward or a top two d
pair or playing on the power play. You know, some
of that already, guards of stockpiling kids as well as
it remains to be seen. Who's going to go to
twenty six probably maybe nobody. Yeah, but will they go

(12:32):
to twenty two? Will that will? Will that move a needle? Yeah? Maybe?
But you know, and and Bill Chase I think said it,
at least in our story. I don't know if he
said in a statement, but he's under the assumption that
at some point here everybody will be operating under the
same rules of engagement. What that means I don't know,

(12:54):
but but it can't be an even playing field for long. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Well, and again, as you mentioned, maybe you go to
twenty two even if you don't go to the full
twenty six. But if you do go to the twenty two, again,
what do you have to do? Title nine still exists.
You still have to make your department work for adding
those and so and it's not always easy. So yeah,
what a wild world. And that's now I think we're
starting to at least the common folk, and that includes me,

(13:22):
Like I don't understand this all the time as well,
but at least we can kind of frame it now
to kind of see what these athletic directors, schools institutions
are encountering when it comes to this question, and what
house settlement actually means, what opting in actually means as
far as revenue sharing and those types of things, and
why schools are asking these questions before pressing the big

(13:44):
red button and sending their message to someone in the ncuble. Hey,
I guess has got a big tote board or something
back there. I don't know, but yeah, okay, Now finally
on the fun thing before we let you go to
I was gonna say you and d NDSU men's basketball
always a big one, will will be an incredibly big
one for Northcota men's basketball tomorrow. That's something I know

(14:06):
you'll cover. But you're covering state wrestling. With some girls
wrestlers from from Grand Forks already in their championship matches,
that should be a big storyline. Some local wrestlers including
from Grafton and Hillsboro, Central Valley and others chasing dreams
on the state first state titles as well. We've got
East Region Hockey Section eight hockey. You guys are spreading

(14:28):
yourselves thin this weekend. I'm just telling you that from
a sports staff. Do you need me to string in
here and pick up a.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Story for you?

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Is it's all hands on deck war Old girls hockey
this morning as well? Yeah, this is uh, this is
a super busy weekend and and you know region basketball
is is looming around the corner here, so it's gonna
be uh kind of a buckle up for the next
six weeks.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
I guess well it is.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah, and this week one of heavy, heavy work for
those in a sports department, which we will follow.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Tom.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Appreciate your insight, and really I thought you laid it
out way better than I ever did in regards to
the whole opt in out an opt out thing from
which you covered in the Herald. Appreciate that and certainly
look forward to all your coverage of all the high
school action over the next several days. We'll be following
along with our digital subscriptions to the Grand Forks Herald.

(15:28):
I hope everyone out there has one, because if you
like local sports coverage, this is our local sports team,
lad by our sports editor Tom Miller. So thanks for this, Tom.
We'll see you out and about this week here and
this weekend, and look forward to reading all the stuff
that your team puts together. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, enjoy the heat wave, gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yes, we won't be able to enjoy it. We'll be
inside watching sports the whole time.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Tom's I'm not wearing my heavy jacket. It's gone.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
It's gone. Okay, sounds good. Thanks Tom, have a great weekend.
There's Tom Miller of the grand work held
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