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Third hour of the Morning Show with Preston Scott. I'm Preston,
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you for the third hour, and I'm thrilled to have
with me first time ever, the Chancellor of the State
University System is joined me on the program. Ray Rodriguez, Ray,
Welcome to the program. How are you, sir?
Speaker 5 (02:42):
I'm doing well. Thank you for having me on, Preston.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
My pleasure. Let's do this for listeners. Let's first give
a brief overview of the state university system. It sounds
like a really big thing. Break it down. What does
this what does does that system do? And then your
role is chancellor.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Very good. Our state University system in Florida is comprised
of our twelve universities that would include Florida State University
fam U, University of West Florida, University of North Florida obviously,
University of Florida, University of Central Florida, University of South Florida,
Florida Atlantic University, Florida International University, Florida Gulf Coast University,
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and then New College and Florida Polytechnic University. It is big.
We're the third largest university system in the country. We
have over four hundred and thirty thousand students who attend
one of our twelve institutions. My role as chancellor is
I am the CEO of the Borda Governors and the
chancellor of the State University System of Florida. I advocate
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for the university. I also serve in a regulatory position
and that it's our responsibility at the Borda Governors to
ensure that all that's being done within our state university
system is compliant with the regulations and with state statutes.
And finally, we're focused on student success.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
What's the intersection between what you do with the Board
of Governors and as chancellor with for example, the state legislature,
the Governor's office, and the Florida Department of Education. Is
there any kind of ven diagram where those things overlap
or are you a totally separate entity.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Well, that is a great question. We are a separate entity.
We were constitutionally created to be the independent board that
serves as the regulatory authority over our Florida universities. We
do interact with each of those entities. The Florida the
Board of Education has the authority over the Florida College System,
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which would include Tallahassee State College and the other twenty
seven members of of the Florida College System. We work
very closely with the Florida College System so that there
is a consistent education experience and ease of transfer for
graduates in the Florida College System that wish to continue
their education and obtain a bachelor's degree at one of
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our universities. We interact, and when I say we, I'm
talking about the state university system with the legislature, because
we are advocating for their appropriation request and we're also
advocating for good policy in the realm of higher education
with the legislature, and we interact quite a bit with
the Executive Office of the Governor, working on both appropriations
(05:39):
and policy issues.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
If you were to draw a kind of a comparison,
where does Florida rank within its university system in other
states with regard to affordability, Well.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
I'm glad you asked that question, because there is no
one who is more affordable. In the state University system
of Florida, the College Board, which is the organization that
administers the SAT, every year doing a report specific to affordability,
and they just release their report for the current year,
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and our tuition in fees in the State University System
of Florida are six three hundred and sixty dollars. The
average public university has tuition in fees of eleven thousand,
six hundred and ten dollars, so we're forty five percent
below the national average. We have not raised tuition or
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fees since twenty thirteen, and as a result of that,
our students are able to attend without going into debt.
You know, the narrative nationally is that higher education is
unaffordable and that the only way to obtain a degree
is to go into a significant amount of debt, and
so students are looking at that and weighing whether that's
a worthwhile investment. And that's largely true for many of
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the states in this nation, but Florida is the exception
because we do have the lowest tuition and fees and
as a result of that, seventy seven percent of our
students enrolled in fall semester do not have the federal
student loan. We are graduating students stet free.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Do we really put our focus on keeping our kids
in state? Are we doing anything to try to attract
because I would imagine the cost of out of state
tuition for someone that comes to Florida for an education
is a little bit different.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
That's true. Every state charges more to their out of
state students than their in state students. Florida is fairly unique.
The only other states who do what we're doing would
be North Carolina and Texas in that we require a
set percentage of students who are allowed in from out
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of state. So, for example, in the Florida State University system,
we allow ten percent of students from out of state.
So if you look at our four hundred and twenty
thousand students, ninety percent of them are Florida right. And
the reason for that is our Florida legislature has made
a significant investment in higher education. In fact, since twenty thirteen,
when we implemented performance based funding centered around student success,
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our appropriations in state for state education higher education have
gone from one point seventy four billion to four point
eighty five billion. That's an increase of two hundred and
eighty percent. Our legislature has prioritized investing in higher education
for Florida citizens, and so we want to make sure
that it's Florida citizens that are benefiting from those taxpayer dollars.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
The graduation rates, first of all, what are they inside
the state? And secondly, what's the timeframe of graduation on average?
Speaker 5 (08:48):
You know, that is also a very important question. If
you were to google typical graduation rate in the United States,
the number that would come up would be sixty four percent.
So that's the national average. What you would no unless
you drill down on that, is that sixty four percent
is actually a six year graduation rate. That is the
standard for measuring graduation rates in higher education today. Here
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in the state of Florida, we measure in four year
increments because that's what the universities are measured on in
terms of performance space funding. Our four year graduation rate
is sixty four percent, So we're doing in four years
what the typical public higher education across this country university
is doing in six If you want our six year
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graduation rate number, it is just below eighty percent. It's
very important to us that our students are successful. US
News and World Report has ranked the State University System
of Florida and our Florida College System as the number
one state for higher education since twenty seventeen when they
began ranking state systems, and it is an objective measure
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that they use when they do that metric and they
issue their rankings, they're looking at how much does it
cost to attend, how deep in debt are students, how
many of them graduate, and when they graduate, do they
find jobs? And on all of those metrics, the State
University System of Florida is extremely successful.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yeah, I was just going to ask about success defined
as in careers after schooling, getting a degree in something
that actually leads to a job. How do you determine
what the best paths are in making things available to students.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Well, we have a couple of things that we utilize.
One is within our performance based funding metrics. We have
programs of strategic Emphasis, and to be designated a program
a state teach emphasis, it has to be a program
in which there is an existing job shortage in the
state of Florida or a projected job shortage in the
(10:52):
state of Florida that meets the minimum wage threshold, and
to get that data, we work directly with the Department
of Commerce. We work with our Chambers of Commerce, the
Florida Chamber of Commerce, and our local Chambers of Commerce
at our institutions, so that we're plugged into what the
local job needs in each of the communities within programs
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of strategic emphasis. More than sixty percent of our undergraduate
degrees or awarded in majors that lead to those open jobs,
and sixty five percent of our graduate degrees are in
programs of strategic emphasis. The next thing we do, and
this is also something that makes Florida unique, is we
have something called my Florida Future. If you go to
the Florida Border Governor's website, this is the most visited
(11:36):
page on our entire website. You can choose any institution
and then once you've chosen that institution, look at every
major that's offered and it will tell you what recent
college graduates are earning when they graduate. And so you
go into the university with your eyes wide open when
you choose your major of what your job prospects are
(11:56):
going to be after graduation. Hormant space funding on that metric,
we look at postgraduation, how are our graduates doing. Seventy
five percent of them are either continuing their education in
a professional degree, law school, medical school, or going on
to get their masters or their doctorates, or they're employed.
(12:18):
And if they're employed, we're looking at what are the
wages that they are earning. And the medium wage of
a graduate from the State University System of Florida is
fifty dollars.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
A lot of parents concerned, and I think one of
the things that a lot of people are struggling with
is what happens in secondary higher education when it comes
to the indoctrination of students. They go to college thinking
one way and they come out thinking of another. Because
there are notable professors that take advantage of it that
(12:50):
they have almost a captive audience. What does the board
of regions? What do you do as a chancellor to
ensure that that kids are getting an education and exposure
to all philosophical ideals and ideas when it comes to
governance and economics and all of the various philosophies that
are out there.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Well, that is a very real concern. Gallup Organization does
an annual poll where they measure the confidence of Americans
in their institutions, and last year they found confidence in
higher education had fallen the thirty six percent. The last
time they had done that confidence level was close to
sixty percent, so it was shocking. This year, they were
(13:30):
prepared so when they polled, they had follow up questions
and once again the confidence level is down to thirty
six percent. The theory last year was the reason Americans
had lost confidence was because higher education had gotten so
expensive and students were going so deep in debt. What
Gallup found when they asked the follow up questions as
to why you lost the confidence in higher education, that
(13:52):
was actually the third reason the cost and the debt.
The number one reason Americans have lost confidence in higher
education is because of a belief that is indoctrinating students
into a left wing ideology. And that was shocking because
no one thought that would be the number one answer,
And that was number one because it's a top concern
for both Republicans and those who identify politically as independents.
(14:16):
In the state of Florida. The action that's been taken
has been led by Governor Rod DeSantis. He championed legislation
two sessions ago to remove THEI programs out of our
universities and for us to address these concepts, particularly in
our general education crisculum, because that's where the real threat
on indoctrination occurs. In general education, students have to take
(14:39):
these courses. They don't have a choice. So it's one
thing if you want to go major in one of
these concepts or majors or programs that have these theories
in them, but a student shouldn't be forced to sit
through this in order to complete their general education Crichlum.
The statute removes these concepts out of general education crism
(15:02):
and so in State of Florida, you're going to be
able to complete your general education curriculum without being exposed
to any left wing in doctrination there.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
I'm sorry, but Chancellor, is there a process for students
that are still being exposed to this type of thing
where they're they're required to agree with certain principles or
their papers don't get graded or they get just raked
over the coals with the grading curricu the grading model
that's being used. Is there a way for these professors
because they're still out there and they brag about being
(15:32):
out there, How are they.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Reported, that's a good question. I'm going to give you
two things. The first is within that legislation that requires
these concepts to be removed out of general education crisculum,
there there's a caricter and a stick, and the stick
is if the university is found to have these concepts
in general education and to continue in doctrination, the university
(15:56):
is subject to losing their performance space funding. In Flora,
the appropriations that we receive, and I mentioned earlier how
they've gone up nearly three hundred percent, are all appropriated
through the prism of performance based funding. So that is
a significant threat to universities that they absolutely, from a
leadership perspective, will be seeking to avoid. The second thing
(16:18):
I want to share with you, and this is also
something that makes Florida unique, is that every year we
survey all of our students on the concepts of viewpoint,
diversity and intellectual freedom. And this year we just completed
what is the largest voluntary survey that's been done in
higher education in the history of the United States, because
(16:39):
our system is so large and the results that came
back were very encouraging and that the overwhelming majority of
our students believe in their classrooms that viewpoint diversity is
presented and that intellectual freedom is encouraged, and we're going
to continue measuring that every single year. If a student
is in a classroom and they are being exposed to
(17:00):
these concepts, then they have the ability to report that,
and I can guarantee you the university is going to
take action, because no university is going to risk losing
their performance space funding.
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