September 13, 2024 • 11 mins
Dr. Marty Makary, Johns Hopkins University, managed to NOT get cancelled during COVID. He is so respected, he was left alone and survived despite being a contrarian. He is warning of the dangers of not just mmart phones in the hands of kids, but the state of medicine in general. This was a terrific chat.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hi, Good morning, ruminators. Welcome to the third hour of
show five thousand, two hundred and thirty three. Now, but
who's counting, that's Hose, I'm Preston. It's the Morning Show
with Preston Scott. Great to be with you this morning,
and as always, thank you for sharing time with us.
Keep in mind, we've got a lot of weather watches,
tornado warnings in the region. We've got tornado watches to
(00:30):
our west all throughout the listening area, and so just
keep listening to the radio. It'll interrupt us if need be,
with very significant weather updates as needed. But I'm really
pleased to have with us. I've been a longtime admirer,
especially through COVID, because he was one of the few
rational voices speaking. Doctor Marty mcarey is a Johns Hopkins Professor,
(00:52):
New York Times bestselling author. He's got a new book,
we'll maybe touch on that in a few minutes as well,
visiting professor over twenty five medical school and has published
over two hundred and fifty scientific peer reviewed articles. And
he's our guest this morning. And that's going right on
top of the bio, isn't it. Doctor McCarey how are you, sir,
great to.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Be with Depresson, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
You have panned a recent op ed in the New
York Post, and it's so ironic because it's been a
topic on the Show of late, the importance of trying
to get cell phones out of public schools and out
of kids' hands as much as possible. What is your
kind of motivation for pushing this so hard?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, the average teenager gets two hundred and seventy three
text messages or notifications in a day, and when they're
in the classroom, they are saying in these studies that
have just come out that they're being distracted by their
phones and their notifications. And remember, these big tech companies
have made these apps and phones by design to be
(01:59):
a to grab the tension of a kid and hold
on to it as long as possible when the kid
is supposed to be learning. So we've done tremendous damage
to children during COVID prolonged school closures, all those COVID
restrictions that resulted in massive learning loss. Brown University study
(02:20):
just came out. It found that on average, IQ has
gone down twelve points. We're doing a tremendous disservice to
children with these traconian policies, and so one thing we
can do, it's not a sober bullet, but one thing
we can do is to get rid of these distractions
during class.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
One of the things that's interesting is there are a
couple of districts inside the state of Florida, doctor McCarry,
that have gone this route. They have banned them and
not just banned them in class time. They can't take
them out in between classes, they can't take them out
in the lunch room. And the reports are overwhelmingly positive.
Re engagement of the student in just talking to each other,
(03:02):
and better behavior and less bullying because they're not setting
kids up to get videotape of a fight and posting
it online.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, that's right. We're seeing the human connection restored in
school districts that are banning cell phones. We're seeing kids
now grow up with less impulsive behavior. You know, there
is a group of parents out there, and God bless them,
they are doing the right thing. And they are saying,
I don't have to give my kid a phone when
(03:32):
they turn ten, I don't have to give my kid
a smartphone. I don't have to give my kid an
account on Instagram or snapchats, and these parents are doing
a great service to the future. My sister is one
of them. She's got her two young teenagers raised beautifully,
no cell phones, no added sugar, at least in the
(03:56):
first four or six years of life, in the formative
years when their gut is developing. And these kids can
shake your hand and look at you and talk to you,
and so I think kids are hungry for a human connection.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
It's the Preston Show with Morning Scott what he's busy,
but he's fit us in doctor Marty McCarey with us
JOHNS Hopkins University's professor there and a highly respected man
in the profession, doctor McCarry I'm just curious, is there
(04:37):
any level of consensus when this kind of technology ought
to be in the hands of kids. I know it
might be there is no one size fits all, its
maturity levels and those kinds of things. But from a
scientific perspective, is there a spot where you kind of
feel like it's safer for young people to have this stuff?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I don't think we have good evidence data on that
particular question. Parents ask it all the time. Sure, I
tend to think once a kid has a real enjoyment
of hobbies and other activities. You want the kid to
be addicted to something good, right, You want them to
be addicted to sports and family time and healthy foods
(05:21):
and spending time with others and community service. So everyone
has their thing that gives them a dopamine rush. Everyone
essentially has an addiction, but you want it to be
the good things, to exercise, to positive things. You know.
The other thing about banning cell phones in school which
(05:42):
has been positive, is it's addressing this mental health crisis.
One study found at two thirds of kids in America
today report being addicted to their phones during class, and
forty four percent said that their phones make them anxious.
We've got the most medicated potion in the history of
the world. We've got epidemic levels of anxiety and depression.
(06:05):
So why are we giving them actively giving them the
cocaine for their addiction and ignoring the fact that this
is something that we can control when they're in a
public school on task payer dollars with the purpose of
paying attention to a teacher.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, it's I hate saying this stuff as the old guy,
But how do we do it right? I mean, how
did we manage to not talk to mom or dad
fifteen times a day, or get text messages or phone
calls or look at stuff. How do we manage.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Well, yeah, I mean people are saying, well, they might
need their cell phone for safety. Well, I don't know
of any example where a cell phone in the classroom
has saved the kid's life. Maybe it's possible, But what's
killing kids is the mental health epidemic. We've got escalating
rates of suicide, depression, anxiety, and so we can't ignore
(07:03):
that fact. If you look at the data, it's pretty compelling.
Kids are basically crying out for help. They've had terrible
learning loss. Not really as much in Florida because they
didn't fall for the prolonged school closure a gimmick, but nationwide,
this is something we're starting to see states do in
school districts implement, and it's working. The results have been
(07:26):
very positive.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
We got a couple minutes left, and I would be
remiss if I didn't tee up and ask you about
the book Blind Spots. Doctor McCarey, you came on my
radar during COVID. I believe COVID really damaged the credibility
of the medical profession, and I don't know if it
can be repaired without an admission by the medical profession
(07:49):
that it was wrong and how it conducted most everything
and advised during that period. But what was your purpose
in writing the book and what's it about?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Well, first of all, I agree with you. We have
not seen any humility from our medical establishment nationally, and
I can tell you it was a doctor. Humility is
the most important thing in being a doctor. But COVID
was a snapshot. It was actually a peek into how
a broader, arrogant medical community functions. You saw the same
(08:18):
hubris and arrogance that resulted in them getting the low
fat diet and food pyramid wrong for sixty years. They
ignited the opioid epidemic with the dogma that opioids were
not addictive. They ignited the modern day peanut allergy epidemic
with the dogma they should avoid peanut butter for young infants.
They have created some of our modern day health crises,
(08:42):
and right now we're dealing with a chronic disease epidemic.
Half of our nation's children are abuse or overweight, a
quarter have diabetes or pre diabetes, and autism goes up
fourteen percent a year every year. I mean, who is
stopping to say, what's going on? What's what are the
root causes? We've poisoned our food, supply engineered highly addictive
(09:06):
food ingredients. We liberally go out mental health diagnoses. We've
got the most over medicated population in the history of
the world. We're converting America's children into a generation of patients,
and then we blame them sometimes for being sick. We
have got to get rid of this hammer lock that
pharma and big food and big agg have on health.
(09:29):
We've done a terrible thing to doctors in this country.
We've told them diagnose in medicaid, diagnose and medicaid, And
we're going to give you a coding book, and we're
going to ask you to write notes, and you need
to be busy billing and coding. And we're going to
measure you as doctors by your throughput. Well, guess what,
(09:52):
a third of them are burn out. We have the
highest suicide rate of any profession. People hate this system.
Patients hated, doctors hated. The most over medicated population in
the world and the thickest population in the world. What
are we doing? We have got to take a step
back and ask the big questions, talk about the root causes.
Maybe the NIH needs to study food is medicine instead
(10:16):
of back coronaviruses in Wuhan, China. Maybe we need to
talk about school lunch programs instead of just putting every
young kid on ozepic when they're overweight. Maybe we need
to talk about treating diabetes with cooking classes. So we
have a movement now in medicine to talk about the
(10:37):
underlying gut health and environmental exposures, and the role of
pesticides and healthy foods and avoiding seed oil. All of
these new areas of scientific research around health, not sickness,
but around being healthy that people need to hear about.
They have been in the blind spots of modern medicine,
(10:57):
and that's why I wrote this book, Blind Spot, so
I want people to know the truth about health and
when medicine gets it wrong.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Can't wait to see your Christmas card list. Doctor McCarry,
Thank you for the time. You are welcome back anytime
you let Brendan know that and I'm going to do
the same. But thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Great to be with you.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Thanks Preston, Doctor Marty McCarey with us this morning on
the Morning Show with Preston Scott,
Hi, Good morning, ruminators. Welcome to the third hour of
show five thousand, two hundred and thirty three. Now, but
who's counting, that's Hose, I'm Preston. It's the Morning Show
with Preston Scott. Great to be with you this morning,
and as always, thank you for sharing time with us.
Keep in mind, we've got a lot of weather watches,
tornado warnings in the region. We've got tornado watches to
(00:30):
our west all throughout the listening area, and so just
keep listening to the radio. It'll interrupt us if need be,
with very significant weather updates as needed. But I'm really
pleased to have with us. I've been a longtime admirer,
especially through COVID, because he was one of the few
rational voices speaking. Doctor Marty mcarey is a Johns Hopkins Professor,
(00:52):
New York Times bestselling author. He's got a new book,
we'll maybe touch on that in a few minutes as well,
visiting professor over twenty five medical school and has published
over two hundred and fifty scientific peer reviewed articles. And
he's our guest this morning. And that's going right on
top of the bio, isn't it. Doctor McCarey how are you, sir,
great to.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Be with Depresson, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
You have panned a recent op ed in the New
York Post, and it's so ironic because it's been a
topic on the Show of late, the importance of trying
to get cell phones out of public schools and out
of kids' hands as much as possible. What is your
kind of motivation for pushing this so hard?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, the average teenager gets two hundred and seventy three
text messages or notifications in a day, and when they're
in the classroom, they are saying in these studies that
have just come out that they're being distracted by their
phones and their notifications. And remember, these big tech companies
have made these apps and phones by design to be
(01:59):
a to grab the tension of a kid and hold
on to it as long as possible when the kid
is supposed to be learning. So we've done tremendous damage
to children during COVID prolonged school closures, all those COVID
restrictions that resulted in massive learning loss. Brown University study
(02:20):
just came out. It found that on average, IQ has
gone down twelve points. We're doing a tremendous disservice to
children with these traconian policies, and so one thing we
can do, it's not a sober bullet, but one thing
we can do is to get rid of these distractions
during class.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
One of the things that's interesting is there are a
couple of districts inside the state of Florida, doctor McCarry,
that have gone this route. They have banned them and
not just banned them in class time. They can't take
them out in between classes, they can't take them out
in the lunch room. And the reports are overwhelmingly positive.
Re engagement of the student in just talking to each other,
(03:02):
and better behavior and less bullying because they're not setting
kids up to get videotape of a fight and posting
it online.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, that's right. We're seeing the human connection restored in
school districts that are banning cell phones. We're seeing kids
now grow up with less impulsive behavior. You know, there
is a group of parents out there, and God bless them,
they are doing the right thing. And they are saying,
I don't have to give my kid a phone when
(03:32):
they turn ten, I don't have to give my kid
a smartphone. I don't have to give my kid an
account on Instagram or snapchats, and these parents are doing
a great service to the future. My sister is one
of them. She's got her two young teenagers raised beautifully,
no cell phones, no added sugar, at least in the
(03:56):
first four or six years of life, in the formative
years when their gut is developing. And these kids can
shake your hand and look at you and talk to you,
and so I think kids are hungry for a human connection.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
It's the Preston Show with Morning Scott what he's busy,
but he's fit us in doctor Marty McCarey with us
JOHNS Hopkins University's professor there and a highly respected man
in the profession, doctor McCarry I'm just curious, is there
(04:37):
any level of consensus when this kind of technology ought
to be in the hands of kids. I know it
might be there is no one size fits all, its
maturity levels and those kinds of things. But from a
scientific perspective, is there a spot where you kind of
feel like it's safer for young people to have this stuff?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I don't think we have good evidence data on that
particular question. Parents ask it all the time. Sure, I
tend to think once a kid has a real enjoyment
of hobbies and other activities. You want the kid to
be addicted to something good, right, You want them to
be addicted to sports and family time and healthy foods
(05:21):
and spending time with others and community service. So everyone
has their thing that gives them a dopamine rush. Everyone
essentially has an addiction, but you want it to be
the good things, to exercise, to positive things. You know.
The other thing about banning cell phones in school which
(05:42):
has been positive, is it's addressing this mental health crisis.
One study found at two thirds of kids in America
today report being addicted to their phones during class, and
forty four percent said that their phones make them anxious.
We've got the most medicated potion in the history of
the world. We've got epidemic levels of anxiety and depression.
(06:05):
So why are we giving them actively giving them the
cocaine for their addiction and ignoring the fact that this
is something that we can control when they're in a
public school on task payer dollars with the purpose of
paying attention to a teacher.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, it's I hate saying this stuff as the old guy,
But how do we do it right? I mean, how
did we manage to not talk to mom or dad
fifteen times a day, or get text messages or phone
calls or look at stuff. How do we manage.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Well, yeah, I mean people are saying, well, they might
need their cell phone for safety. Well, I don't know
of any example where a cell phone in the classroom
has saved the kid's life. Maybe it's possible, But what's
killing kids is the mental health epidemic. We've got escalating
rates of suicide, depression, anxiety, and so we can't ignore
(07:03):
that fact. If you look at the data, it's pretty compelling.
Kids are basically crying out for help. They've had terrible
learning loss. Not really as much in Florida because they
didn't fall for the prolonged school closure a gimmick, but nationwide,
this is something we're starting to see states do in
school districts implement, and it's working. The results have been
(07:26):
very positive.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
We got a couple minutes left, and I would be
remiss if I didn't tee up and ask you about
the book Blind Spots. Doctor McCarey, you came on my
radar during COVID. I believe COVID really damaged the credibility
of the medical profession, and I don't know if it
can be repaired without an admission by the medical profession
(07:49):
that it was wrong and how it conducted most everything
and advised during that period. But what was your purpose
in writing the book and what's it about?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Well, first of all, I agree with you. We have
not seen any humility from our medical establishment nationally, and
I can tell you it was a doctor. Humility is
the most important thing in being a doctor. But COVID
was a snapshot. It was actually a peek into how
a broader, arrogant medical community functions. You saw the same
(08:18):
hubris and arrogance that resulted in them getting the low
fat diet and food pyramid wrong for sixty years. They
ignited the opioid epidemic with the dogma that opioids were
not addictive. They ignited the modern day peanut allergy epidemic
with the dogma they should avoid peanut butter for young infants.
They have created some of our modern day health crises,
(08:42):
and right now we're dealing with a chronic disease epidemic.
Half of our nation's children are abuse or overweight, a
quarter have diabetes or pre diabetes, and autism goes up
fourteen percent a year every year. I mean, who is
stopping to say, what's going on? What's what are the
root causes? We've poisoned our food, supply engineered highly addictive
(09:06):
food ingredients. We liberally go out mental health diagnoses. We've
got the most over medicated population in the history of
the world. We're converting America's children into a generation of patients,
and then we blame them sometimes for being sick. We
have got to get rid of this hammer lock that
pharma and big food and big agg have on health.
(09:29):
We've done a terrible thing to doctors in this country.
We've told them diagnose in medicaid, diagnose and medicaid, And
we're going to give you a coding book, and we're
going to ask you to write notes, and you need
to be busy billing and coding. And we're going to
measure you as doctors by your throughput. Well, guess what,
(09:52):
a third of them are burn out. We have the
highest suicide rate of any profession. People hate this system.
Patients hated, doctors hated. The most over medicated population in
the world and the thickest population in the world. What
are we doing? We have got to take a step
back and ask the big questions, talk about the root causes.
Maybe the NIH needs to study food is medicine instead
(10:16):
of back coronaviruses in Wuhan, China. Maybe we need to
talk about school lunch programs instead of just putting every
young kid on ozepic when they're overweight. Maybe we need
to talk about treating diabetes with cooking classes. So we
have a movement now in medicine to talk about the
(10:37):
underlying gut health and environmental exposures, and the role of
pesticides and healthy foods and avoiding seed oil. All of
these new areas of scientific research around health, not sickness,
but around being healthy that people need to hear about.
They have been in the blind spots of modern medicine,
(10:57):
and that's why I wrote this book, Blind Spot, so
I want people to know the truth about health and
when medicine gets it wrong.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Can't wait to see your Christmas card list. Doctor McCarry,
Thank you for the time. You are welcome back anytime
you let Brendan know that and I'm going to do
the same. But thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Great to be with you.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Thanks Preston, Doctor Marty McCarey with us this morning on
the Morning Show with Preston Scott,
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