May 9, 2025 • 23 mins
In our May personal defense segment, Preston discussed the latest tragedy at a university campus. For the second time it took place at Florida State University and Charlie Strickland of the Talon Training Group had some thoughts.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, morning friends, it is the third hour of
the Morning Show with Preston Scott Show five three and
seventy four. But who's counting, Well, I am, yeah, I'm counting. Yeah.
Jose's over there in Studio one A. I'm here in
Studio one B, and I am joined by co founder,
co host All Things Talent, Ladies and Gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
He is Charlie Strickland.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Hello, Hello, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
How are you.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I'm fantastic. You said better than I deserve it to
be or something like that.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
That's what he says all the time.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
And you know, Dave Ramsey says it so often it
takes the fun out of say I just don't even
go there.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
But I think it, I feel it.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
You know, life is good. I'm as challenging. It's busy.
I was talking to a gentleman for a while yesterday.
I was buying some fertilizer from from green Point and
they got cows now and pastor and hayfields and all that,
and you know, we were talking about how busy we were,
and I said, you know, I just I don't know
that I could stand like any other way. You know,
(01:01):
I've retired once in one of these days, I'm going
to retire again. But I'm going to retire so I
can work some more doing something different. Right, Just you
know what's next. Well, apparently it's cows and goats and
chickens and turkeys and a few pigs.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Let me let let's get to the topic of the
day you sent me.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
You sent me a text, and just to set the stage,
you worked on the FSU campus.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I did.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
And so when the news came out that there was
another active shooting at Florida State's campus, what was your
immediate reaction? And then after some time went by and
you learned some things, which I'm sure you did, what
was your response.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Well, first off, I will say this, the FSU Police
Department is one of the best trained agencies in the region.
They have some downtime in between semesters, and when I
went was working there in the early nineties, I took
more classes than I was able to take in years
at the Sheriff's office. Now that's changed in a lot
of ways. But brand new police chief there is a friend.
(02:08):
Foreign police chief was a friend. One before that was
a friend, and I know that agency very well and
I have a lot of confidence in their capabilities, as
was evidence in their response on that particular day. It's
only so many people patrolling a fairly large campus, and
their performance was exemplar as everybody else that responded. However,
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you know, you're always you know, when seconds count their
minutes away, and in that case, they were not very
many seconds behind. Unfortunately it ended the way it did.
It could have been a lot worse, as it always
could be. So my initial response was, you know, I
wanted information like everybody else, because we as a citizenry
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are pretty nosy. We want to know everything. I've gotten
to the point now where I don't really care as
much about the why. You know, I do have a
lot of background information. I do a lot of stuff.
I am very familiar with the players involved. That's not
as relevant to me as because it's going to happen
from some corner of our society, somebody with some philosophy,
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somebody from some religious background, from some with some reasoning
in their thought, from the left or the right, or
the this religion or that religion, or this race or
that race, or this member of this community or that
sexual preference or whatever, or just someone is broken. It's
all over the board. Yes, mental illness versus somebody who
has a political agenda. The fact that when I was
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teaching an actor futer course last night from the right
to bear courses that we do, and I show this
slide of all these different people, and I go through
it and I never say names, but I'm pointing at
I'm going, Okay, this person's Muslim, this person is Christian,
this person is right wing, this is left wing, this
is a member of the LGBTQ plus community, this person
is you know, this thing, this thing all the way
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back to the Texas tyrants in October of sixty six,
and there were pre ones before that. Bombings and killing
have been going on for a long time. And yeah,
and we look at the body counts that are rising
versus the number of shootings, and you know, we talk
about all that. But what I try to tell people
in my classes is can you can you look at
this and the people that are doing this all we
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back to Washington Beltway snipers, to all these all these people,
tell me the next shoot or what race are they
going to be? Based on this pattern? What sect are
they going to be? What political affiliation are they going
to be? And I say, can you in order to
predict something, you need to be able to establish a pattern,
and you cannot establish a pattern in this. It's all
over the board. We cannot predict this. We're not going
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to stop this, and it's not going to get better
because our country is becoming more and more divided, and
with the social media platforms and everything going on, there
is so much hatred, so much division, so much mental
illness that's going untreated. There are so many things that
are not happening in our society, and I don't see
it getting any better. So the argument then becomes, if
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it's not going to get better, if it's going to
happen again, what do we do to stop it once
it starts? And that's where we run into some resistance.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Twelve past the hour. Our discussion today, in one form
or another, is going to revolve around active shooting incidents.
Take the Florida state situation, and I mean it's times two.
We had Strosuer, now we have this, Charlie. I want
to I want to talk to the people out there
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that talk about gun free zones, and we know that
gun free zones are invitations for shooters. They look for
those types of places to carry out their crimes. But
I would contend there is no such thing as a
gun free zone because bad people will bring guns anywhere they.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Want us like having speed limits signs, you know, okay,
so speed limits fifty five? What's everybody doing? You know
more than that some people and that people that are
going under just be let it make everybody mad, you know,
And so it's nothing. But you know, I JD and
(06:11):
I talked about this on our show and we struggle
with it and we have discussion all the time. And
where most of these things occur is so so if
I'm going to go get a body count, I want
to go out and make a name for myself. And
I think, you know, people who show pictures and mention
names and do things like that. I saw it in
the local paper whatever it is now if it's a
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online thing, I never look at the actual paper itself.
And you know, keep saying the name, this guy's name
over and over again. His his family's friends of ours,
and we're coworkers, and you know, I don't want to
see the name because all that does is encourage the
next person and go, oh well, people want to know.
People have a right Local Democratic Party response on Facebook
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that that was one of the people have. People are
curious and they want all that from Okay, fie, but
don't encourage the next one. Don't do you don't get it.
Don't encourage the next one, because that's what they want,
is is this, this fame, this this notoriety. They want this,
and you're feeding that, yep by doing this. So stop.
And I know you're absolutely fantastic about not saying people's
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names and not promoting that. We talk about the incident
so we can learn from it, okay, And in this case,
what we learn is that you have a gun free
zone defined by Florida statute in a Republican state, which
is supposed to that. Florida has led the country in
a lot of gun laws over the years, and we've
lost that lately. We're now following behind because we're not
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doing things other states. We're one of the few states
that doesn't allow open carry, one of the few states
handful less than a handful of states that don't allow
open carry.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
A lot of people are surprised by that.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, I mean, and the thing is that came about
through our concealed weapons carry laws that were passed back
I think in the eighties. You talk to miss Hammer,
Marion Hammer, and she'll tell you that that's when they
took away, you know, the ability to open carry in
certain places and certain circumstances. Through that legislation, it say okay,
we're going to do this, We're to do that. And
conceal carry was opposed by the Shaff Association and law
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enforcement and people like that back then and now uh
they and they were saying, well, we'd rather see the firearms.
We want to see them. If people have a gun,
we'd rather see them. We want to know they have it,
and we don't want it concealed. Nowadays it's we want
it concealed, we don't want to see it. We don't
want to open carry. I'd rather there's a law enforcement officer.
If I see a guy, somebody's got a gun, I'd
rather know they have one. Now, I don't think open
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carry is a good idea as far as tactically right,
but I think it's your right. If I have the
right to carry it concealed, then I don't have a
right to carry it open too. I was one that
I was I was attending classes at FSU when I
was studying from an aster's degree, and I would leave
the Sheriff's office with a red shirt in a training
unit and or badge on my shirt and a gun
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on and a badge on my belt. And I had
to go all the way through the dean's office and
the chief of police call me and says, listen, would
you please quit carrying a gun to campus is offending
some students. I'm like, sorry, going to do it anyway,
because sheriff's office policy requires me to have a fire
arm on me at all time, on and off duty.
It was one of those conversations, where are you sure?
I said, yeah, I helped to sharef right to policy.
(09:15):
You know, we pushed that through so it was required
so that we could get around stuff like this. And
I don't care. I don't care if I offend some
Chinese nationalists in the class that complained or not. You
know it in HAZYUS not having rights. We have rights,
but apparently we don't in certain places. And I'm not
going to say that there's not places you shouldn't carry
a gun. If I go to visit somebody into jail,
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I probably shouldn't have a gun in the But.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
You're afforded a level of protection in those places by
armed personnel.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah. Absolutely, it's a secure facility that nobody then you're
you go through a metal detector if you tell me,
and this is the right way to do it. If
you tell me that I can't have a firearm on
a piece of property, then you have a responsibility from
my say safety, and you can't do it with the
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police department. You can't unless you put up a fence
and metal detectors over an entire piece of property. Now
I can get like a football game or something. But
even then, unless you're going to send somebody through, metal detectors.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Didn't work in Munich in nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
And so you're telling me that a peaceable, law abiding
citizen doesn't have the right to protect themselves because you're
afraid that somebody's going to break a rule with they're
already breaking the rule if they're willing to commit murder,
they're willing to want pass a sign and carry a
gun that they shouldn't have, and they know that you're
an unarmed populist behind that, And we're back.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I had to twenty two minutes after the hour.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Charlie Strickland with me this morning in studio our personal
defense segment. You kind of let into this in the
last segment, Charlie, people that normally are not in favor
of the Second Amendment and gun rights are out there
buying guns.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Well, I will tell you that people from both sides
of the political coin, Democrats and Republicans, more and more
people from the left, people who you might back in
the day would have been surprised to see show up
to a gun range, you know, because we tend to
put ourselves in a in a in a box. You know, we're, well, okay,
(11:14):
we're on the right, and we think conservatively and we
like this, we're against that, we like guns, and then
the other side is something else. But there's a lot
of overlap. You would probably you would probably find some
conservatives that are in favor of socialized medicine or something.
There's these things like that. Okay, but we tend to
gravitate in a certain direction. But there are a lot
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of people on the left that are starting to and
have been for quite some time, and did all along
support arming themselves. Now they may not agree with us
on things like you know, what they consider to be
assault weapons or high capacity magazines whever.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Ever, define right.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Well, they have a lot of churchs. Some people have
a hard time defining what a woman is. I mean,
you know, it's just you know, I'm sorry, it's just
that's that's one of the big discussions going on right now.
So you know, it's hard. It's hard to specifically say
certain things.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Now.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
The fact is, as we get more and more people,
any class we have, if we had twenty people in there,
three or four or five are going to be from
the left side of the equation. Now, we try to
keep politics out of our classroom. We try to keep
it off of the range. We welcome anyone to come
to the Range. We want everyone to come, and we
want everyone to learn how to use a FIM and
protect themselves because that's really what we stand for, is
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your right to protect yourself, which is what the Second
Amendment stands for. Is your right for personal safety and
personal protection and to use whatever means necessary, to coin
a phrase from some of the left wing folks, any
means necessary to protect yourself. Because when you are when
your life is in danger, when eminent fear, when you
are in eminent fear of death and great bodily harm,
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or when the law prescribes what Castle doctrine says. Someone's
forcibly or unlawfully attempting to any of your residence, dwelling,
or occupy convanced, and you have the right to use
any level of force, including deadly force. That means running
over them with a car, stabbing them with a knife
has happened recently here in town, and a home home
invasion robbery. You've got the right to use a firearm.
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There's there's no there's no too much force if it's
if deadly force is justified. Now, but we're starting to
see more and more people show up and say I
want to I want a gun, I want to carry
a gun, I want to defend myself, and we encourage
it one for their safety, and we encourage it also
because the more people who feel that way, the less
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likely the Left is to go after our Second Amendment
rights because they don't want to give those up either. Sure,
and you and I think a lot of people be
surprised that the percentages of people that don't look like
me that own and carry guns. There are people that
are very politically active in the minority communities who are
staunch gun owners. Sure, I'm talking about all the all
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the evil guns too, and the percentages of of of
African Americans who own guns is pretty high legally own guns.
A lot of people start, oh, well, now I'm not
talking about on the street. I'm talking about that walking
our store. Yeah, that I would say disproportionately. We have
minorities and women coming to less proportionally women. But I mean, uh,
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there was something on Reddit the other day somebody wanted
an LGBTQ friendly gun range in a class they could
go to that didn't have a quote maga vibe, and
several people recommended us, but they said, we definitely have
a maga vibe. Well, we welcome anyone. You know, we
don't bring all that into the you know, you want
to talk to me personally about I'll talk to you.
But the fact is is, you know, you get the
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best instrument you're going to get trained. Yeah, come on,
We're We're welcome. We I mean, we don't hold anything
against anybody.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Because gosh, you'll even train Baptists just have to.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Sorry, I'll let you go down those roads.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, I know, I know, I know. I went into religion, man, Yeah,
I know I do that.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Thirty six minutes after the hour. Charlie Strickland with me
from the Talent Training group. You mentioned you were doing
an active shooter training class.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
What do you teach?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So we teach the run, hide, fight philosophy. That's the
national model, but we do it with a twist. We're
a little less politically correct. And you unless you're training,
you'll know way. Yeah, I mean you can get it
from law enforcement agencies and place right, but there's there's
this solid material taught by competent, qualified people. However, they're
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not always willing to say the things we're willing to
say the way we're willing to say it. And you know,
I'm a little more blunt about things. And we spend
some time talking about how to hurt people, you know,
in the course, you know we talk about we spend
a lot of time talking about mindset, not just run, hide, fight,
you know, run if you can get away, hide or
barricade yourself if you cannot get away, and then fight
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all if you have to. Well you just got a
whole lesson right there. That's that's that's it, that's what
that's the national model. However, we talk about situational awareness,
as you and I have discussed time and time again.
You know, different to Cooper's color code. You know condition yellow,
aren't you know? That kind of thing where you're paying
attention to your surroundings. We talk about formulating a plan.
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We talk about looking at your environment. We talk about
you know, mental rehearsal of of how you might react
if things happen. We talk about, you know what, what
type of weapons of opportunity you might find, and then
you know, carrying a firearm and some of the tactics
involved in that, which we can talk about in a minute.
We talk about the protector mindset, predator prey and protector,
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the sheep dog mentality, because mindset matters most and that's
a recurring theme in our classes because if you don't
have that, you don't have to have physical skills as
much as you need to have the mindset. You can
be the best competitive shooter in the world. But if
you don't you're not willing to take a life with
firearm than is you're totally useless in a fight, and
you can be a terrible shot, But if you're up
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close and personal and you're willing to take the shot,
then you're more than competent, you know, to deal with
that situation, and you know, I go back to a
line I think Clint Eachwood said in the movie was
a man's got to know his limitations. And that's something
that you go to the range and you find out
what are my limitations, what's my skill set? But we
do this, we do this training. We go around and
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we do it in businesses, and we do it at
our facility. We do free seminars through Right to Bear
all the time. And then we I do I go
out and do threat assessments on businesses and organizations and
agencies and whatnot, and then we turn around and teach
these classes. I do charge for that stuff. And we
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always have people from churches and church groups show up
at these things, and a lot of times I see
the same faces again and again because they just want
a refresher because their class is a little bit different,
follow the same power point. But you know, it is
what it is. And we talk about the same stuff
we talked about earlier on not being able to predict.
When we go to businesses, we discuss talking to HR
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and developing means of communication between facilities and HR and
management to make sure that they're sharing information and polling
the employees to make sure we I have workplace violence
issues things like that. But ultimately we are trying to
steer people towards building their skill set at the Range
and building their ability to protect themselves and their home
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and their office and public you know, in public places.
And that's when it you would get into some specific
tactics that involves, you know, how would you react.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Final segment with Charlie Strickland of the Talent Training Group
Remember talentrange dot com. Learn about the Range, learn about
the training programs. There are a lot of different programs
and classes that are available. So someone has they've trained
as best as someone that's not a professional can train,
and they've made the decision in their mind and they've
you know, acquired a certain degree of I guess proficiency
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would be the best way to put a Charlie to
feel as though that if there was an active shooter
situation that they could maybe make a difference in help.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
So there's several considerations here, Okay, one is what are
you capable of doing? Okay, do you want to aggress
towards the threat and try to make a difference that way,
or are you trying to set up a defensive position.
So if they come your way and you're behind hardcover
something and you can engage that person to protect people
that you may be protecting.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Let's look at the former.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Okay, So let's say something's going on in the mall
food court or down one of those hallways, or in
a large building or an office complex or something, and
their shots fired, and there's an aggressive, active shooter, an
active assailant there, and you are armed. Now you've secured
your family, your people, you know, you're no longer concerned
about anybody but yourself, and you have decided that you're
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going to be the sheep dog. You're going to aggress
towards the threat, and you're going to do First off,
you don't want to be running around with a gun
in your hand, because if you're running around, everybody's like, okay,
I'm gonna move here. I got my gun out. I'm
la da da da dh. That's fine. You're going to
get shot. If a law enforcement officer responds, or another
off duty officer there and playing clothes, or another civilian
who decides to do the same thing, all they know
is somebody is shooting. They see somebody with a gun
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and they're not in uniform, bad for you. So you
don't want to be running around with your gun out.
Your gun should still be concealed, you know, in your hands.
We teach a rest position where you cover up the firearm,
you kind of hunt your body. You are not taking
an aggressive stance, You're you're looking more submissive, but you're
moving not maybe not directly out of target. You know,
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you're maybe moving from position to cover to position a
cover tactically so that you don't look like as a purpose.
So yes, if a guy is shooting up a place
and he turns and sees you coming directly at him,
obviously you now become the focus of that threat and
now it's it's an all out gun battle between you
and him. Hopefully you can go out shooting. So you
want to try to sneak up but aggressively, assertively, you know, quickly,
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not maybe not at a dead run. You may want
to run for little ways and then slow down. You
need to get to a point where you are capable
of taking an accurate shot, and that varies based on
your skill sett and that's what you need to do
at the range is to determine what you can do
wnded what you can do under stress, what your capabilities are,
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because if you're not capable of taking a headshot at
seven to ten yards and then beyond, that's not going
to happen under stressed period. I don't care who you are,
then you don't need to be trying to do that
into a crowded location. I mean, you don't be part
of the problem, be part of solution. And so you
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need to know what you're capable of. And which is
why I say, you know, sometimes it's a matter of
setting up shops somewhere and barricading and waiting for that
person to come to you. If they are now, if
they're moving in your direction, that changes the equation. You
need to set in a static position and wait and
take a support of or can cover concealment, take a
supported shop, maybe wait for them to walk past. You
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walk up behind them and honestly, I hate to say it,
shoot them in a bag of a head. You know,
at that point anything goes. So we actually teach drills
like that in some of our classes. But the so
getting there and then if you engage the person, you
take a shot, you need to now you've won the
battle standing there over that person with a gun in
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your hand. Again, terrible idea, because you're going to have
tunnel vision, auditory exclusion these things under critical incident stress.
You're not going to hear the commands people are given
to you. You're not going to see law enforcement show
up or other people. The minute this thing is over
and you've scanned the environment briefly to determine there's no
longer a threat, you need to put your gun back up.
You need to conceal it, maybe set it on something
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next to you, and get your hands away from it.
I say, put it back where you got it from,
put it back in your holst, you conceal it again,
and then stand there with your empty hands. You shouldn't
have anything in your hands because when you're challenged by
law enforcement or whoever shows up, you don't need to.
There don't need there doesn't need to be any misunderstanding,
right So uh so, yeah, I mean there's there's the
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do you do it? Do you go? Do you wait?
Make that decision? What are you capable of? And then
what do you do in the aftermath? And then you
keep your mouth shut? Don't get an attorney? You know,
I think you're going to be a hero if you've
done this. However, yeah, stranger things have happened. Call somebody
you know, call this well, you know, talk you through
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it if we have to. It's not really our job,
but I don't know. Just be safe, but be prepared,
you know, be a sheep dog.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
That's why you go to the range, to be as
prepared as you can be. Thanks for the time, sure,
Charlie Strickland with me from the Talent Training Group forty
six past the hour,
All right, morning friends, it is the third hour of
the Morning Show with Preston Scott Show five three and
seventy four. But who's counting, Well, I am, yeah, I'm counting. Yeah.
Jose's over there in Studio one A. I'm here in
Studio one B, and I am joined by co founder,
co host All Things Talent, Ladies and Gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
He is Charlie Strickland.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Hello, Hello, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
How are you.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I'm fantastic. You said better than I deserve it to
be or something like that.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
That's what he says all the time.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
And you know, Dave Ramsey says it so often it
takes the fun out of say I just don't even
go there.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
But I think it, I feel it.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
You know, life is good. I'm as challenging. It's busy.
I was talking to a gentleman for a while yesterday.
I was buying some fertilizer from from green Point and
they got cows now and pastor and hayfields and all that,
and you know, we were talking about how busy we were,
and I said, you know, I just I don't know
that I could stand like any other way. You know,
(01:01):
I've retired once in one of these days, I'm going
to retire again. But I'm going to retire so I
can work some more doing something different. Right, Just you
know what's next. Well, apparently it's cows and goats and
chickens and turkeys and a few pigs.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Let me let let's get to the topic of the
day you sent me.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
You sent me a text, and just to set the stage,
you worked on the FSU campus.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I did.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
And so when the news came out that there was
another active shooting at Florida State's campus, what was your
immediate reaction? And then after some time went by and
you learned some things, which I'm sure you did, what
was your response.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Well, first off, I will say this, the FSU Police
Department is one of the best trained agencies in the region.
They have some downtime in between semesters, and when I
went was working there in the early nineties, I took
more classes than I was able to take in years
at the Sheriff's office. Now that's changed in a lot
of ways. But brand new police chief there is a friend.
(02:08):
Foreign police chief was a friend. One before that was
a friend, and I know that agency very well and
I have a lot of confidence in their capabilities, as
was evidence in their response on that particular day. It's
only so many people patrolling a fairly large campus, and
their performance was exemplar as everybody else that responded. However,
(02:29):
you know, you're always you know, when seconds count their
minutes away, and in that case, they were not very
many seconds behind. Unfortunately it ended the way it did.
It could have been a lot worse, as it always
could be. So my initial response was, you know, I
wanted information like everybody else, because we as a citizenry
(02:50):
are pretty nosy. We want to know everything. I've gotten
to the point now where I don't really care as
much about the why. You know, I do have a
lot of background information. I do a lot of stuff.
I am very familiar with the players involved. That's not
as relevant to me as because it's going to happen
from some corner of our society, somebody with some philosophy,
(03:13):
somebody from some religious background, from some with some reasoning
in their thought, from the left or the right, or
the this religion or that religion, or this race or
that race, or this member of this community or that
sexual preference or whatever, or just someone is broken. It's
all over the board. Yes, mental illness versus somebody who
has a political agenda. The fact that when I was
(03:34):
teaching an actor futer course last night from the right
to bear courses that we do, and I show this
slide of all these different people, and I go through
it and I never say names, but I'm pointing at
I'm going, Okay, this person's Muslim, this person is Christian,
this person is right wing, this is left wing, this
is a member of the LGBTQ plus community, this person
is you know, this thing, this thing all the way
(03:56):
back to the Texas tyrants in October of sixty six,
and there were pre ones before that. Bombings and killing
have been going on for a long time. And yeah,
and we look at the body counts that are rising
versus the number of shootings, and you know, we talk
about all that. But what I try to tell people
in my classes is can you can you look at
this and the people that are doing this all we
(04:18):
back to Washington Beltway snipers, to all these all these people,
tell me the next shoot or what race are they
going to be? Based on this pattern? What sect are
they going to be? What political affiliation are they going
to be? And I say, can you in order to
predict something, you need to be able to establish a pattern,
and you cannot establish a pattern in this. It's all
over the board. We cannot predict this. We're not going
(04:41):
to stop this, and it's not going to get better
because our country is becoming more and more divided, and
with the social media platforms and everything going on, there
is so much hatred, so much division, so much mental
illness that's going untreated. There are so many things that
are not happening in our society, and I don't see
it getting any better. So the argument then becomes, if
(05:01):
it's not going to get better, if it's going to
happen again, what do we do to stop it once
it starts? And that's where we run into some resistance.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Twelve past the hour. Our discussion today, in one form
or another, is going to revolve around active shooting incidents.
Take the Florida state situation, and I mean it's times two.
We had Strosuer, now we have this, Charlie. I want
to I want to talk to the people out there
(05:32):
that talk about gun free zones, and we know that
gun free zones are invitations for shooters. They look for
those types of places to carry out their crimes. But
I would contend there is no such thing as a
gun free zone because bad people will bring guns anywhere they.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Want us like having speed limits signs, you know, okay,
so speed limits fifty five? What's everybody doing? You know
more than that some people and that people that are
going under just be let it make everybody mad, you know,
And so it's nothing. But you know, I JD and
(06:11):
I talked about this on our show and we struggle
with it and we have discussion all the time. And
where most of these things occur is so so if
I'm going to go get a body count, I want
to go out and make a name for myself. And
I think, you know, people who show pictures and mention
names and do things like that. I saw it in
the local paper whatever it is now if it's a
(06:33):
online thing, I never look at the actual paper itself.
And you know, keep saying the name, this guy's name
over and over again. His his family's friends of ours,
and we're coworkers, and you know, I don't want to
see the name because all that does is encourage the
next person and go, oh well, people want to know.
People have a right Local Democratic Party response on Facebook
(06:55):
that that was one of the people have. People are
curious and they want all that from Okay, fie, but
don't encourage the next one. Don't do you don't get it.
Don't encourage the next one, because that's what they want,
is is this, this fame, this this notoriety. They want this,
and you're feeding that, yep by doing this. So stop.
And I know you're absolutely fantastic about not saying people's
(07:17):
names and not promoting that. We talk about the incident
so we can learn from it, okay, And in this case,
what we learn is that you have a gun free
zone defined by Florida statute in a Republican state, which
is supposed to that. Florida has led the country in
a lot of gun laws over the years, and we've
lost that lately. We're now following behind because we're not
(07:38):
doing things other states. We're one of the few states
that doesn't allow open carry, one of the few states
handful less than a handful of states that don't allow
open carry.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
A lot of people are surprised by that.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, I mean, and the thing is that came about
through our concealed weapons carry laws that were passed back
I think in the eighties. You talk to miss Hammer,
Marion Hammer, and she'll tell you that that's when they
took away, you know, the ability to open carry in
certain places and certain circumstances. Through that legislation, it say okay,
we're going to do this, We're to do that. And
conceal carry was opposed by the Shaff Association and law
(08:10):
enforcement and people like that back then and now uh
they and they were saying, well, we'd rather see the firearms.
We want to see them. If people have a gun,
we'd rather see them. We want to know they have it,
and we don't want it concealed. Nowadays it's we want
it concealed, we don't want to see it. We don't
want to open carry. I'd rather there's a law enforcement officer.
If I see a guy, somebody's got a gun, I'd
rather know they have one. Now, I don't think open
(08:31):
carry is a good idea as far as tactically right,
but I think it's your right. If I have the
right to carry it concealed, then I don't have a
right to carry it open too. I was one that
I was I was attending classes at FSU when I
was studying from an aster's degree, and I would leave
the Sheriff's office with a red shirt in a training
unit and or badge on my shirt and a gun
(08:53):
on and a badge on my belt. And I had
to go all the way through the dean's office and
the chief of police call me and says, listen, would
you please quit carrying a gun to campus is offending
some students. I'm like, sorry, going to do it anyway,
because sheriff's office policy requires me to have a fire
arm on me at all time, on and off duty.
It was one of those conversations, where are you sure?
I said, yeah, I helped to sharef right to policy.
(09:15):
You know, we pushed that through so it was required
so that we could get around stuff like this. And
I don't care. I don't care if I offend some
Chinese nationalists in the class that complained or not. You
know it in HAZYUS not having rights. We have rights,
but apparently we don't in certain places. And I'm not
going to say that there's not places you shouldn't carry
a gun. If I go to visit somebody into jail,
(09:35):
I probably shouldn't have a gun in the But.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
You're afforded a level of protection in those places by
armed personnel.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah. Absolutely, it's a secure facility that nobody then you're
you go through a metal detector if you tell me,
and this is the right way to do it. If
you tell me that I can't have a firearm on
a piece of property, then you have a responsibility from
my say safety, and you can't do it with the
(10:02):
police department. You can't unless you put up a fence
and metal detectors over an entire piece of property. Now
I can get like a football game or something. But
even then, unless you're going to send somebody through, metal detectors.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Didn't work in Munich in nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
And so you're telling me that a peaceable, law abiding
citizen doesn't have the right to protect themselves because you're
afraid that somebody's going to break a rule with they're
already breaking the rule if they're willing to commit murder,
they're willing to want pass a sign and carry a
gun that they shouldn't have, and they know that you're
an unarmed populist behind that, And we're back.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I had to twenty two minutes after the hour.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Charlie Strickland with me this morning in studio our personal
defense segment. You kind of let into this in the
last segment, Charlie, people that normally are not in favor
of the Second Amendment and gun rights are out there
buying guns.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Well, I will tell you that people from both sides
of the political coin, Democrats and Republicans, more and more
people from the left, people who you might back in
the day would have been surprised to see show up
to a gun range, you know, because we tend to
put ourselves in a in a in a box. You know, we're, well, okay,
(11:14):
we're on the right, and we think conservatively and we
like this, we're against that, we like guns, and then
the other side is something else. But there's a lot
of overlap. You would probably you would probably find some
conservatives that are in favor of socialized medicine or something.
There's these things like that. Okay, but we tend to
gravitate in a certain direction. But there are a lot
(11:35):
of people on the left that are starting to and
have been for quite some time, and did all along
support arming themselves. Now they may not agree with us
on things like you know, what they consider to be
assault weapons or high capacity magazines whever.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Ever, define right.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Well, they have a lot of churchs. Some people have
a hard time defining what a woman is. I mean,
you know, it's just you know, I'm sorry, it's just
that's that's one of the big discussions going on right now.
So you know, it's hard. It's hard to specifically say
certain things.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Now.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
The fact is, as we get more and more people,
any class we have, if we had twenty people in there,
three or four or five are going to be from
the left side of the equation. Now, we try to
keep politics out of our classroom. We try to keep
it off of the range. We welcome anyone to come
to the Range. We want everyone to come, and we
want everyone to learn how to use a FIM and
protect themselves because that's really what we stand for, is
(12:31):
your right to protect yourself, which is what the Second
Amendment stands for. Is your right for personal safety and
personal protection and to use whatever means necessary, to coin
a phrase from some of the left wing folks, any
means necessary to protect yourself. Because when you are when
your life is in danger, when eminent fear, when you
are in eminent fear of death and great bodily harm,
(12:52):
or when the law prescribes what Castle doctrine says. Someone's
forcibly or unlawfully attempting to any of your residence, dwelling,
or occupy convanced, and you have the right to use
any level of force, including deadly force. That means running
over them with a car, stabbing them with a knife
has happened recently here in town, and a home home
invasion robbery. You've got the right to use a firearm.
(13:14):
There's there's no there's no too much force if it's
if deadly force is justified. Now, but we're starting to
see more and more people show up and say I
want to I want a gun, I want to carry
a gun, I want to defend myself, and we encourage
it one for their safety, and we encourage it also
because the more people who feel that way, the less
(13:35):
likely the Left is to go after our Second Amendment
rights because they don't want to give those up either. Sure,
and you and I think a lot of people be
surprised that the percentages of people that don't look like
me that own and carry guns. There are people that
are very politically active in the minority communities who are
staunch gun owners. Sure, I'm talking about all the all
(14:00):
the evil guns too, and the percentages of of of
African Americans who own guns is pretty high legally own guns.
A lot of people start, oh, well, now I'm not
talking about on the street. I'm talking about that walking
our store. Yeah, that I would say disproportionately. We have
minorities and women coming to less proportionally women. But I mean, uh,
(14:24):
there was something on Reddit the other day somebody wanted
an LGBTQ friendly gun range in a class they could
go to that didn't have a quote maga vibe, and
several people recommended us, but they said, we definitely have
a maga vibe. Well, we welcome anyone. You know, we
don't bring all that into the you know, you want
to talk to me personally about I'll talk to you.
But the fact is is, you know, you get the
(14:44):
best instrument you're going to get trained. Yeah, come on,
We're We're welcome. We I mean, we don't hold anything
against anybody.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Because gosh, you'll even train Baptists just have to.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Sorry, I'll let you go down those roads.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, I know, I know, I know. I went into religion, man, Yeah,
I know I do that.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Thirty six minutes after the hour. Charlie Strickland with me
from the Talent Training group. You mentioned you were doing
an active shooter training class.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
What do you teach?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So we teach the run, hide, fight philosophy. That's the
national model, but we do it with a twist. We're
a little less politically correct. And you unless you're training,
you'll know way. Yeah, I mean you can get it
from law enforcement agencies and place right, but there's there's
this solid material taught by competent, qualified people. However, they're
(15:35):
not always willing to say the things we're willing to
say the way we're willing to say it. And you know,
I'm a little more blunt about things. And we spend
some time talking about how to hurt people, you know,
in the course, you know we talk about we spend
a lot of time talking about mindset, not just run, hide, fight,
you know, run if you can get away, hide or
barricade yourself if you cannot get away, and then fight
(15:59):
all if you have to. Well you just got a
whole lesson right there. That's that's that's it, that's what
that's the national model. However, we talk about situational awareness,
as you and I have discussed time and time again.
You know, different to Cooper's color code. You know condition yellow,
aren't you know? That kind of thing where you're paying
attention to your surroundings. We talk about formulating a plan.
(16:20):
We talk about looking at your environment. We talk about
you know, mental rehearsal of of how you might react
if things happen. We talk about, you know what, what
type of weapons of opportunity you might find, and then
you know, carrying a firearm and some of the tactics
involved in that, which we can talk about in a minute.
We talk about the protector mindset, predator prey and protector,
(16:43):
the sheep dog mentality, because mindset matters most and that's
a recurring theme in our classes because if you don't
have that, you don't have to have physical skills as
much as you need to have the mindset. You can
be the best competitive shooter in the world. But if
you don't you're not willing to take a life with
firearm than is you're totally useless in a fight, and
you can be a terrible shot, But if you're up
(17:05):
close and personal and you're willing to take the shot,
then you're more than competent, you know, to deal with
that situation, and you know, I go back to a
line I think Clint Eachwood said in the movie was
a man's got to know his limitations. And that's something
that you go to the range and you find out
what are my limitations, what's my skill set? But we
do this, we do this training. We go around and
(17:25):
we do it in businesses, and we do it at
our facility. We do free seminars through Right to Bear
all the time. And then we I do I go
out and do threat assessments on businesses and organizations and
agencies and whatnot, and then we turn around and teach
these classes. I do charge for that stuff. And we
(17:46):
always have people from churches and church groups show up
at these things, and a lot of times I see
the same faces again and again because they just want
a refresher because their class is a little bit different,
follow the same power point. But you know, it is
what it is. And we talk about the same stuff
we talked about earlier on not being able to predict.
When we go to businesses, we discuss talking to HR
(18:10):
and developing means of communication between facilities and HR and
management to make sure that they're sharing information and polling
the employees to make sure we I have workplace violence
issues things like that. But ultimately we are trying to
steer people towards building their skill set at the Range
and building their ability to protect themselves and their home
(18:30):
and their office and public you know, in public places.
And that's when it you would get into some specific
tactics that involves, you know, how would you react.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Final segment with Charlie Strickland of the Talent Training Group
Remember talentrange dot com. Learn about the Range, learn about
the training programs. There are a lot of different programs
and classes that are available. So someone has they've trained
as best as someone that's not a professional can train,
and they've made the decision in their mind and they've
you know, acquired a certain degree of I guess proficiency
(19:04):
would be the best way to put a Charlie to
feel as though that if there was an active shooter
situation that they could maybe make a difference in help.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
So there's several considerations here, Okay, one is what are
you capable of doing? Okay, do you want to aggress
towards the threat and try to make a difference that way,
or are you trying to set up a defensive position.
So if they come your way and you're behind hardcover
something and you can engage that person to protect people
that you may be protecting.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Let's look at the former.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Okay, So let's say something's going on in the mall
food court or down one of those hallways, or in
a large building or an office complex or something, and
their shots fired, and there's an aggressive, active shooter, an
active assailant there, and you are armed. Now you've secured
your family, your people, you know, you're no longer concerned
about anybody but yourself, and you have decided that you're
(19:54):
going to be the sheep dog. You're going to aggress
towards the threat, and you're going to do First off,
you don't want to be running around with a gun
in your hand, because if you're running around, everybody's like, okay,
I'm gonna move here. I got my gun out. I'm
la da da da dh. That's fine. You're going to
get shot. If a law enforcement officer responds, or another
off duty officer there and playing clothes, or another civilian
who decides to do the same thing, all they know
is somebody is shooting. They see somebody with a gun
(20:15):
and they're not in uniform, bad for you. So you
don't want to be running around with your gun out.
Your gun should still be concealed, you know, in your hands.
We teach a rest position where you cover up the firearm,
you kind of hunt your body. You are not taking
an aggressive stance, You're you're looking more submissive, but you're
moving not maybe not directly out of target. You know,
(20:36):
you're maybe moving from position to cover to position a
cover tactically so that you don't look like as a purpose.
So yes, if a guy is shooting up a place
and he turns and sees you coming directly at him,
obviously you now become the focus of that threat and
now it's it's an all out gun battle between you
and him. Hopefully you can go out shooting. So you
want to try to sneak up but aggressively, assertively, you know, quickly,
(21:00):
not maybe not at a dead run. You may want
to run for little ways and then slow down. You
need to get to a point where you are capable
of taking an accurate shot, and that varies based on
your skill sett and that's what you need to do
at the range is to determine what you can do
wnded what you can do under stress, what your capabilities are,
(21:22):
because if you're not capable of taking a headshot at
seven to ten yards and then beyond, that's not going
to happen under stressed period. I don't care who you are,
then you don't need to be trying to do that
into a crowded location. I mean, you don't be part
of the problem, be part of solution. And so you
(21:42):
need to know what you're capable of. And which is
why I say, you know, sometimes it's a matter of
setting up shops somewhere and barricading and waiting for that
person to come to you. If they are now, if
they're moving in your direction, that changes the equation. You
need to set in a static position and wait and
take a support of or can cover concealment, take a
supported shop, maybe wait for them to walk past. You
(22:04):
walk up behind them and honestly, I hate to say it,
shoot them in a bag of a head. You know,
at that point anything goes. So we actually teach drills
like that in some of our classes. But the so
getting there and then if you engage the person, you
take a shot, you need to now you've won the
battle standing there over that person with a gun in
(22:25):
your hand. Again, terrible idea, because you're going to have
tunnel vision, auditory exclusion these things under critical incident stress.
You're not going to hear the commands people are given
to you. You're not going to see law enforcement show
up or other people. The minute this thing is over
and you've scanned the environment briefly to determine there's no
longer a threat, you need to put your gun back up.
You need to conceal it, maybe set it on something
(22:47):
next to you, and get your hands away from it.
I say, put it back where you got it from,
put it back in your holst, you conceal it again,
and then stand there with your empty hands. You shouldn't
have anything in your hands because when you're challenged by
law enforcement or whoever shows up, you don't need to.
There don't need there doesn't need to be any misunderstanding,
right So uh so, yeah, I mean there's there's the
(23:09):
do you do it? Do you go? Do you wait?
Make that decision? What are you capable of? And then
what do you do in the aftermath? And then you
keep your mouth shut? Don't get an attorney? You know,
I think you're going to be a hero if you've
done this. However, yeah, stranger things have happened. Call somebody
you know, call this well, you know, talk you through
(23:31):
it if we have to. It's not really our job,
but I don't know. Just be safe, but be prepared,
you know, be a sheep dog.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
That's why you go to the range, to be as
prepared as you can be. Thanks for the time, sure,
Charlie Strickland with me from the Talent Training Group forty
six past the hour,
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