October 16, 2024 • 16 mins
Preston's visit with Justin Haskins outlines the most important considerations for voting in the general election.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Five past the hour. It is show fifty two forty
nine of the Morning Show with Preston Scott. Remember we
give you that number so that if at any point
you are disappointed in my performance as the host of
this show, you can go to the customer service desk
and just give them show five two four nine and
(00:34):
you'll get a refund. All right, So that's why we
let you know what program we are on. Jose's over
there in Studio one A. I'm here in Studio one B,
and welcome to those of you that are displaced by
the storm. You've evacuated up here, and we're just hoping
him praying for the very best. Storm is definitely going
(00:55):
to come to Central Florida. The level of intensity, surge
and so forth, we're not sure of yet. We know
what the prognostications are, but it's a big deal, and
just know we'll do our best to keep you informed
as you are away from home. We are joined by
our good friend. And what kind of friend is he.
He's a friend that interrupts his vacation to join us
(01:17):
here on the program because this is our last visit
before the election. Justin Haskins of the Heartland Institute. Good morning,
my friend. How are you.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I'm doing very very well. I'm doing very well, and
it wouldn't be a vacation if it didn't involve talking
to you question. So only a vacation when I take time.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I bet you say that to all the radio show hosts.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Oh, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Tell me this. When I say we're I mean we're
worth more less than thirty days out from the election.
That's horrifying to me, And in a way it's not
I mean, what are you What are your feelings and
emotions right now that we're so close?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Oh well, my feelings and emotions are terrible. I mean,
I feel I feel incredibly scared. I think this. I
think this election is a fork in the road for
this country, and we're going to decide which road we're
going to go down here pretty soon, don't I don't
know what America looks like after four more years or
(02:28):
eight more years, or twelve more years or whatever of
this kind of agenda. But it isn't good. It is
not good, and we've seen only a small taste of it.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. What's occurred
over the last four years. I mean, we could be
looking at an election that decides whether or not there's
a World War three. I mean, we legitimately could be
(02:50):
looking at that right now, and so the stakes could
not possibly be higher. So emotionally, I'm not in good shape. However, however,
into sellectually, if I just take my emotions out of
it and I just look at the data and I
just look at the polling, and I just take an
analytical approach, I feel pretty good about our chances. And
(03:12):
the reason for that is this. The last election was
decided by fewer than fifty thousand voters in three key
swing states combined. So in the three states that decided
the election, there were a bunch of battleground states, but
only three were really essential for Trump to win, and
(03:33):
he would have won. It was less than fifty thousand
voters combined that decided it. So you have to ask yourself,
has the situation for Trump gotten at least fifty thousand
voters better in those swing states? And I just have
to believe the answer is yes, based on everything we've seen.
But this is the weirdest election in history. We've got
(03:55):
assassination attempts, We've got candidates who've never been received a
single vote in an official primary being on the top
of the ticket. We've got a sitting president who's such
a disaster that they literally threw them out of the
race at the last second. So this is a weird election,
(04:16):
impossible to predict. But I think intellectually, if you just
look at the polling numbers, look at how Trump's been
doing better with polling that he did in twenty sixteen
and in twenty twenty, it feels like he's got a
good chance of winning, especially how close it was last time.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Before we go to break what are those three states?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
It was Georgia, Arizona, and Wisconsin. Those are the three states.
Less than fifty thousand people decided combined in those three
states in the last election.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
We started counting shows at the beginning because we weren't
sure how long he'd last. Now we're just proving to
everyone that week in count This is the Morning Show
with Preston Scott.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Back with me Justin Haskins from the Heartland Institute, and
we're talking about the consequential nature of this election. They're
all consequential. This one, I agree with. Justin has more
on the line from a lot of different perspectives justin
I saw yesterday. Maybe I should put it this way.
We discussed yesterday the fact that Pennsylvania seemingly has swung
(05:26):
dramatically read since twenty twenty. Are you seeing the same thing?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, I mean, it definitely looks like on the ground,
there has been a lot of positive action in many
of the swing states in the Midwest and upper Midwest,
and Pennsylvania, you know, which isn't really in the Midwest,
but included in that. And I think that there are
(05:55):
really good policy reasons for this. Kamala Harris and Joe
Biden there Paul especially, their economic policies have been absolutely
disastrous for working people, for middle working class people, upper
middle class people. Really only the wealthy and large corporations
have done well under Biden Harris. Uh, and inflation is
(06:17):
a huge part of that. And there's really nothing that
Kamala Harris has presented that would suggest that any of
those problems are going to get better under her administration.
Her plan is effectively to print more money, spend more money,
get into more debt, cause and and buy and the
effect of that is cause more inflation, which is going
(06:40):
to hurt working people. But don't worry there's going to
be some new government program that will provide you with
some you know, peanuts to help you deal with the inflation.
Of course that program is causing more inflation, and on
and on the cycle goes forever. You will forever be
dependent on government just in order to survive. That's the
(07:01):
whole policy platform right now in terms of economics of
the Democratic Party. And it's a disaster, and I think
a lot of people are waking up to that.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Wouldn't it be useful for Donald Trump to start zeroing
in on the debt and pointing out that the left
has no plan to deal with it? Or is he
trapped by the fact that there are a lot of
people on his side of the aisle that don't want
to deal with it either.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, I mean I think that you know, Donald Trump
spent a massive amount of money while he was president,
more money than anybody else up to that point in
time per year in office, and the and Biden has
effectively is going to end up surpassing him. And it's
(07:49):
pretty remarkable.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Now.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
You got to, by the way, there's an asterisk to that.
You got to take into account how COVID money was
spent and things like that in order to come up
with that comparison. But Donald Trump and Joe Biden, and
really the entire Republican establishment and the entire Democratic establishment
has decided that debt does not matter. And I think
(08:11):
the big problem for Donald Trump is he has not
figured out a where the Republicans in general, is that
they have not figured out why it really matters. And
I don't know why they don't know that, especially in
the Republican side, and they haven't figured out a way
to convey that to regular people in a convincing manner.
But the fact of the matter is this government debt
(08:32):
is the driver of a lot of the inflation that
we've seen. It's not a coincidence that when the government
spent trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars they didn't
have during the COVID pandemic, we very soon after that
had a massive inflation crisis. It's because of the government spending.
And if Trump could make that case and say, look,
(08:55):
we have to get things back in order, because that's
how we end up bringing prices down and restoring economic
sanity and making sure that America has a solid dollar
and the best economy in the world, and this affects
all sorts of other economic issues, trade issues, all kinds
of things, and there's just no attempt by Republicans to
(09:16):
make that case. The other thing that the Republicans should do,
at least with the Republican voters, is say, look, government
spending is equal to power. The more money you spend
means if the government spending more money, it means they're
increasing their power and influence. Do Republicans want that? Most
voters do not. So if we reduce government spending, we're
reducing government power. Today, there are really persuasive arguments to
(09:40):
be made here. They're just not trying because I don't
think the establishment around Trump in his last term in office,
I don't think they care about this issue, just like
everyone else in Washington, DC doesn't care about this issue,
even though it could be the thing that ends up
destroying the United States. Just given a long enough.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Time final segment, it almost hurts my heart to say
it before the election final segment with Justin Haskins. And
so that's really prompting my question for you, Justin. For
our listeners, and we have people that listen that are
new to the show, they don't necessarily agree with the
(10:21):
type of philosophy that you and I personally hold, or
even professionally hold. But how would you break down this
election in terms of the most consequential issues people should
be considering as they vote.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Right, Well, I think that the most important issue, Well,
you could argue the most important issue is that the
world really is on the brink of a massive war.
What's going on in Europe could get much worse. And
if you actually pay attention to what Vladimir Putin has
(10:54):
been saying for the past few couple of years, he's
been warning that it could get a lot worse and
that there could be nuclear weapons involved soon. And maybe
he's just bluffing, but maybe he's not. And the way
that the Biden Harris administration had been handling that has
been absolutely disastrous. And you see war breaking out all
over the world. In the Middle East, we've had huge
(11:16):
conflicts that we haven't seen in decades. We have massive
conflict obviously in Europe we haven't seen that in decades.
There is potential for a war in Taiwan with China.
All of this is fairly new, and there's a reason
for that. It's because this administration that we have right
now is wheak and Donald Trump was not a weak president,
(11:38):
whatever you may think of him, he was not a
week president. He had a good foreign policy team. And
that's a huge, huge potential issue. Another huge potential issue
is housing. This does not get anywhere near enough attention.
Housing prices, not just the cost of buying a home,
the price tag of buying a home, but the cost
of a mortgage, the monthly payment you actually they have
(12:00):
to pay as a result of interest rates, which had
to be increased because of inflation, which occurred because of
government spending. Housing has never been more expensive, and there's
also rent. Rent is becoming significantly more expensive. Insurance has
become significantly more expensive. All of these things did not
have to happen, and they can be fixed over time,
but not with the policies that have been put into
(12:21):
place by the Biden Harris administration. It's going to continue
to get worse because all they know how to do
is print money and create inflation, and that leads to prices. Generally,
there's a reason why the price of everything has gone
way up. People are actually becoming poorer. That's what inflation means.
If your wages have not increased as much as the
(12:44):
prices you're paying for everything, housing, groceries, et cetera, you
are becoming poorer. Inflation is making you poorer, and I
think Americans can sense that, they can feel it. They
don't quite understand what's going on, but a lot of
it was driven by reckless policies. Some of that can
be attributed to Democrats and the Federal Reserve just generally,
(13:06):
but a lot of it has to do with Biden
Harris specifically, and they have no plans, nothing in their
agenda that is going to fix that. It's going to
continue to get worse as the years go by.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Energy policy is obviously driving a lot of the issues
that we're facing. It's the first thing Joe Biden did
is kill the Keystone XL pipeline. Can Donald Trump resurrect
our energy grid in a fashion a form that it's
going to make a difference.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I think. I think so because a lot of that
is done through deregulation, which is which is done through
executive orders and things like that, so pretty quickly, the
Trump administration can help restart the American domestic energy production machine.
Under Donald Trump, we became for the first time in many,
(14:01):
many decades the first time in my lifetime, we were
not dependent on foreign energy to survive here in America.
We were making so much energy that we were exporting it,
and so we need to take that back up again.
I think Trump can do that through executive orders. He
can send a signal to the entire industry fracking, oil
(14:22):
and gas, all of these folks that we're going to
be open for business. We're going to open new leases
offshore and on land and federal lands and things like that,
and increase production so that energy prices come down. Because
if energy prices come down, the price of everything comes down,
and our economy becomes much stronger and our military is
(14:44):
much more secure as well. So this is a vital issue,
a vital issue for US, and I think it's a
clear choice between Kamala Harris, who wants to kill the
domestic oil and gas industry and fossil fuels generally. What
she says, that's her record for decades, that's her or
really for a decade, that's been her record. She was
(15:06):
a co sponsor of the Green New Deal, the AOC
socialist Green New Deal. She is a radical on that issue.
And Donald Trump has been a champion of increasing domestic
energy production. And I think this is obvious choice if
you want lower prices for energy and you want to
boost the American economy. Again, I think it's an obvious choice.
(15:30):
Who you should be thinking about voting for.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Well, justin the next time, God willing we get to visit,
we're going to be saying, now what regardless of who wins.
So I can't wait for our next visit because by then,
well maybe maybe we'll know who won the election.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I doubt it.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, that's always possible too. You're a good man, sir.
Thank you so much. My best to you and your family.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Thanks, presmen, take care, God bless.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Justin Haskins with us from the Heartland Institute on vacation,
still joining us on The Morning Show with Preston Scott
Five past the hour. It is show fifty two forty
nine of the Morning Show with Preston Scott. Remember we
give you that number so that if at any point
you are disappointed in my performance as the host of
this show, you can go to the customer service desk
and just give them show five two four nine and
(00:34):
you'll get a refund. All right, So that's why we
let you know what program we are on. Jose's over
there in Studio one A. I'm here in Studio one B,
and welcome to those of you that are displaced by
the storm. You've evacuated up here, and we're just hoping
him praying for the very best. Storm is definitely going
(00:55):
to come to Central Florida. The level of intensity, surge
and so forth, we're not sure of yet. We know
what the prognostications are, but it's a big deal, and
just know we'll do our best to keep you informed
as you are away from home. We are joined by
our good friend. And what kind of friend is he.
He's a friend that interrupts his vacation to join us
(01:17):
here on the program because this is our last visit
before the election. Justin Haskins of the Heartland Institute. Good morning,
my friend. How are you.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I'm doing very very well. I'm doing very well, and
it wouldn't be a vacation if it didn't involve talking
to you question. So only a vacation when I take time.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I bet you say that to all the radio show hosts.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Oh, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Tell me this. When I say we're I mean we're
worth more less than thirty days out from the election.
That's horrifying to me, And in a way it's not
I mean, what are you What are your feelings and
emotions right now that we're so close?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Oh well, my feelings and emotions are terrible. I mean,
I feel I feel incredibly scared. I think this. I
think this election is a fork in the road for
this country, and we're going to decide which road we're
going to go down here pretty soon, don't I don't
know what America looks like after four more years or
(02:28):
eight more years, or twelve more years or whatever of
this kind of agenda. But it isn't good. It is
not good, and we've seen only a small taste of it.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. What's occurred
over the last four years. I mean, we could be
looking at an election that decides whether or not there's
a World War three. I mean, we legitimately could be
(02:50):
looking at that right now, and so the stakes could
not possibly be higher. So emotionally, I'm not in good shape. However, however,
into sellectually, if I just take my emotions out of
it and I just look at the data and I
just look at the polling, and I just take an
analytical approach, I feel pretty good about our chances. And
(03:12):
the reason for that is this. The last election was
decided by fewer than fifty thousand voters in three key
swing states combined. So in the three states that decided
the election, there were a bunch of battleground states, but
only three were really essential for Trump to win, and
(03:33):
he would have won. It was less than fifty thousand
voters combined that decided it. So you have to ask yourself,
has the situation for Trump gotten at least fifty thousand
voters better in those swing states? And I just have
to believe the answer is yes, based on everything we've seen.
But this is the weirdest election in history. We've got
(03:55):
assassination attempts, We've got candidates who've never been received a
single vote in an official primary being on the top
of the ticket. We've got a sitting president who's such
a disaster that they literally threw them out of the
race at the last second. So this is a weird election,
(04:16):
impossible to predict. But I think intellectually, if you just
look at the polling numbers, look at how Trump's been
doing better with polling that he did in twenty sixteen
and in twenty twenty, it feels like he's got a
good chance of winning, especially how close it was last time.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Before we go to break what are those three states?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
It was Georgia, Arizona, and Wisconsin. Those are the three states.
Less than fifty thousand people decided combined in those three
states in the last election.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
We started counting shows at the beginning because we weren't
sure how long he'd last. Now we're just proving to
everyone that week in count This is the Morning Show
with Preston Scott.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Back with me Justin Haskins from the Heartland Institute, and
we're talking about the consequential nature of this election. They're
all consequential. This one, I agree with. Justin has more
on the line from a lot of different perspectives justin
I saw yesterday. Maybe I should put it this way.
We discussed yesterday the fact that Pennsylvania seemingly has swung
(05:26):
dramatically read since twenty twenty. Are you seeing the same thing?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, I mean, it definitely looks like on the ground,
there has been a lot of positive action in many
of the swing states in the Midwest and upper Midwest,
and Pennsylvania, you know, which isn't really in the Midwest,
but included in that. And I think that there are
(05:55):
really good policy reasons for this. Kamala Harris and Joe
Biden there Paul especially, their economic policies have been absolutely
disastrous for working people, for middle working class people, upper
middle class people. Really only the wealthy and large corporations
have done well under Biden Harris. Uh, and inflation is
(06:17):
a huge part of that. And there's really nothing that
Kamala Harris has presented that would suggest that any of
those problems are going to get better under her administration.
Her plan is effectively to print more money, spend more money,
get into more debt, cause and and buy and the
effect of that is cause more inflation, which is going
(06:40):
to hurt working people. But don't worry there's going to
be some new government program that will provide you with
some you know, peanuts to help you deal with the inflation.
Of course that program is causing more inflation, and on
and on the cycle goes forever. You will forever be
dependent on government just in order to survive. That's the
(07:01):
whole policy platform right now in terms of economics of
the Democratic Party. And it's a disaster, and I think
a lot of people are waking up to that.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Wouldn't it be useful for Donald Trump to start zeroing
in on the debt and pointing out that the left
has no plan to deal with it? Or is he
trapped by the fact that there are a lot of
people on his side of the aisle that don't want
to deal with it either.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, I mean I think that you know, Donald Trump
spent a massive amount of money while he was president,
more money than anybody else up to that point in
time per year in office, and the and Biden has
effectively is going to end up surpassing him. And it's
(07:49):
pretty remarkable.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Now.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
You got to, by the way, there's an asterisk to that.
You got to take into account how COVID money was
spent and things like that in order to come up
with that comparison. But Donald Trump and Joe Biden, and
really the entire Republican establishment and the entire Democratic establishment
has decided that debt does not matter. And I think
(08:11):
the big problem for Donald Trump is he has not
figured out a where the Republicans in general, is that
they have not figured out why it really matters. And
I don't know why they don't know that, especially in
the Republican side, and they haven't figured out a way
to convey that to regular people in a convincing manner.
But the fact of the matter is this government debt
(08:32):
is the driver of a lot of the inflation that
we've seen. It's not a coincidence that when the government
spent trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars they didn't
have during the COVID pandemic, we very soon after that
had a massive inflation crisis. It's because of the government spending.
And if Trump could make that case and say, look,
(08:55):
we have to get things back in order, because that's
how we end up bringing prices down and restoring economic
sanity and making sure that America has a solid dollar
and the best economy in the world, and this affects
all sorts of other economic issues, trade issues, all kinds
of things, and there's just no attempt by Republicans to
(09:16):
make that case. The other thing that the Republicans should do,
at least with the Republican voters, is say, look, government
spending is equal to power. The more money you spend
means if the government spending more money, it means they're
increasing their power and influence. Do Republicans want that? Most
voters do not. So if we reduce government spending, we're
reducing government power. Today, there are really persuasive arguments to
(09:40):
be made here. They're just not trying because I don't
think the establishment around Trump in his last term in office,
I don't think they care about this issue, just like
everyone else in Washington, DC doesn't care about this issue,
even though it could be the thing that ends up
destroying the United States. Just given a long enough.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Time final segment, it almost hurts my heart to say
it before the election final segment with Justin Haskins. And
so that's really prompting my question for you, Justin. For
our listeners, and we have people that listen that are
new to the show, they don't necessarily agree with the
(10:21):
type of philosophy that you and I personally hold, or
even professionally hold. But how would you break down this
election in terms of the most consequential issues people should
be considering as they vote.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Right, Well, I think that the most important issue, Well,
you could argue the most important issue is that the
world really is on the brink of a massive war.
What's going on in Europe could get much worse. And
if you actually pay attention to what Vladimir Putin has
(10:54):
been saying for the past few couple of years, he's
been warning that it could get a lot worse and
that there could be nuclear weapons involved soon. And maybe
he's just bluffing, but maybe he's not. And the way
that the Biden Harris administration had been handling that has
been absolutely disastrous. And you see war breaking out all
over the world. In the Middle East, we've had huge
(11:16):
conflicts that we haven't seen in decades. We have massive
conflict obviously in Europe we haven't seen that in decades.
There is potential for a war in Taiwan with China.
All of this is fairly new, and there's a reason
for that. It's because this administration that we have right
now is wheak and Donald Trump was not a weak president,
(11:38):
whatever you may think of him, he was not a
week president. He had a good foreign policy team. And
that's a huge, huge potential issue. Another huge potential issue
is housing. This does not get anywhere near enough attention.
Housing prices, not just the cost of buying a home,
the price tag of buying a home, but the cost
of a mortgage, the monthly payment you actually they have
(12:00):
to pay as a result of interest rates, which had
to be increased because of inflation, which occurred because of
government spending. Housing has never been more expensive, and there's
also rent. Rent is becoming significantly more expensive. Insurance has
become significantly more expensive. All of these things did not
have to happen, and they can be fixed over time,
but not with the policies that have been put into
(12:21):
place by the Biden Harris administration. It's going to continue
to get worse because all they know how to do
is print money and create inflation, and that leads to prices. Generally,
there's a reason why the price of everything has gone
way up. People are actually becoming poorer. That's what inflation means.
If your wages have not increased as much as the
(12:44):
prices you're paying for everything, housing, groceries, et cetera, you
are becoming poorer. Inflation is making you poorer, and I
think Americans can sense that, they can feel it. They
don't quite understand what's going on, but a lot of
it was driven by reckless policies. Some of that can
be attributed to Democrats and the Federal Reserve just generally,
(13:06):
but a lot of it has to do with Biden
Harris specifically, and they have no plans, nothing in their
agenda that is going to fix that. It's going to
continue to get worse as the years go by.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Energy policy is obviously driving a lot of the issues
that we're facing. It's the first thing Joe Biden did
is kill the Keystone XL pipeline. Can Donald Trump resurrect
our energy grid in a fashion a form that it's
going to make a difference.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I think. I think so because a lot of that
is done through deregulation, which is which is done through
executive orders and things like that, so pretty quickly, the
Trump administration can help restart the American domestic energy production machine.
Under Donald Trump, we became for the first time in many,
(14:01):
many decades the first time in my lifetime, we were
not dependent on foreign energy to survive here in America.
We were making so much energy that we were exporting it,
and so we need to take that back up again.
I think Trump can do that through executive orders. He
can send a signal to the entire industry fracking, oil
(14:22):
and gas, all of these folks that we're going to
be open for business. We're going to open new leases
offshore and on land and federal lands and things like that,
and increase production so that energy prices come down. Because
if energy prices come down, the price of everything comes down,
and our economy becomes much stronger and our military is
(14:44):
much more secure as well. So this is a vital issue,
a vital issue for US, and I think it's a
clear choice between Kamala Harris, who wants to kill the
domestic oil and gas industry and fossil fuels generally. What
she says, that's her record for decades, that's her or
really for a decade, that's been her record. She was
(15:06):
a co sponsor of the Green New Deal, the AOC
socialist Green New Deal. She is a radical on that issue.
And Donald Trump has been a champion of increasing domestic
energy production. And I think this is obvious choice if
you want lower prices for energy and you want to
boost the American economy. Again, I think it's an obvious choice.
(15:30):
Who you should be thinking about voting for.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Well, justin the next time, God willing we get to visit,
we're going to be saying, now what regardless of who wins.
So I can't wait for our next visit because by then,
well maybe maybe we'll know who won the election.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I doubt it.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, that's always possible too. You're a good man, sir.
Thank you so much. My best to you and your family.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Thanks, presmen, take care, God bless.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Justin Haskins with us from the Heartland Institute on vacation,
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