September 19, 2024 • 24 mins
J.D. Johnson.,Talon Training Group, came in-studio. Preston hit him with a couple of news stories and got J.D.'s reaction, then transitioned to how aging citizens can better protect themselves. He also touched on some training tips and addressed the topic of maintaining your firearms, notably your handguns.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
How did it happen? How do we get here to
the third hour of the program? I don't I don't know,
but here we are, third hour Wednesday. It is the
third Wednesday of the month, and that means it's time
for little personal defense and once again being pressed into duty.
It's Jadie Johnson of the Talent Trading Group, co host
(00:24):
of Talent Outdoors. How are you, sir? I'm great. You
got the short straw twice this month. It happens you
weren't supposed to quite go along with that quite so easily.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I'm not gonna fuss about it, all right, put my
head down and go forward.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
That's what we do, all right, Let's get right to it.
I'm gonna share a couple of different stories from the
news that I that I have here and just kind
of get your reaction to them. You might be familiar
with the stories, you might not. Teenager returns an air
soft handgun allegedly to the store where he was buying
where he bought it. However, the gun was in his pocket.
(01:04):
He had a friend that had an air soft handgun
in his jacket. There was a third team there in
the parking lot, though, is a gentleman that was doing
what he called overwatch. Overwatch is apparently kind of a
military term for observing for activity. His son was in
(01:30):
a judo thing, doing his thing. So he's just waiting
in the parking lot, just kind of observing, and he
sees these kids, and he sees one of them with
the handgun that is an airsoft, but he doesn't know
that at this point, and he thinks he's about to
witness an armed robbery. He intervenes, wrestled one kid to
(01:54):
the ground. They're all telling him these are bb guns.
We're just returning him to the store. He's still in
an engaged battle when one of the kids turns to
walk away and he shot him seven times in the back.
(02:14):
A lot went wrong there. I'd like you to just
kind of address all that is going on with just
the surface level info I just gave you and what
your thoughts are.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, it's a horrible situation, start with.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I mean, that kid's dead.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, there's no bringing him back. No, you know, it's
I get it. I mean there's there's times, there's times
when I sit in the parking lot when my family's
in the store and I don't I don't think out loud,
or think even subconsciously.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I got to be overwatched. But that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I'm just sitting there in the car because I don't
feel like walking around the whatever store they're in and
looking at shoes or clothes or whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You're paying attention to. You're paying attention to anything anyone
else would not be paying attention to.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Right and knowing the quality and appearance of a lot
of these airsoft guns, they are very realistic, made to
look like a myriad of handguns. We've used them in
training scenarios for a long time. The air soft glock
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airsoft pistols look close enough to a glock that glock
sued them over it and they fit in glock holsters.
They look just like glocks except for a little small
round a piece of orange around the style. Well, you've
got an orange buzzle on the barrel. Got your guns
not painted orange? It's just a little ring of paint
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around the end of the barrel that comes off basically,
and then you have what it looks enough like one
that if you pointed at me and I would probably
react similarly to the way he did.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
This story has earmarks of George Zimmerman all over it.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, you know, but in today's world, I don't think
the guys initially not doing anything wrong. He may have
been better off to I, you know, hindsight being twenty
twenty and it always is, he should have picked up
the phone and called instead of intervening. Unless his family
was in that store.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
They were not.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, so your there's your first, his son's over there
be a good witness, is what I it at Bullstown instead,
you know, unless now we don't know what he did
for living. If he was off due law enforcement, he
may feel a duty to act. He was not, then
you really that's one of those times where we say, yeah,
you may have the legal authority to intervene, it may
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not be the smartest or best thing to do. At
that point, I probably would have called law enforcements that, hey,
you got two guys that are armed walking into this business.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Clearly if the young man, extending benefit of the doubt,
were returning these things to.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Find hard to believe, you too, very hard to even.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
But you put that in the bag and you walk
in with him in the bag, and no one ever
sees you got them, and you go from there.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
It tucked in your waistband is a good way to
not you know.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
But would it have been also smarter if this guy
really was concerned just go in the store and wait
to see what happens, if you felt needed to do that,
and let the manager know what you observed outside. Absolutely,
that's that was my point. Because he's probably going to
prison for the rest of his life.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
There is that possibility for sure. He also has a
very valid defense. As bad as this is, he's got
a very you know, if he truly believed that he
was intervening in a armed robbery that was about to happen,
at least by Florida law, he hadn't stepped outside the bounds.
He hadn't hadn't gone out of bounds on that yet.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah. I maintained that if you look at a lot
of the things that happen, and there are lessons to
be learned all over. Yeah, and sometimes they're just really
a good lessons. Sometimes they're really bad lessons. But every
lesson is every every opportunity to learn is something that
I think we should take advantage of. Now, this one,
(06:11):
this story from the news, We're going to contrast this
story because in this case, this one's pretty clear cut.
Guy's with a contractor and they're looking over their backyard.
They're inside the house, and he sees a man with
a dog come into his backyard with a machete. The
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guy appears to pass out and he's on the ground,
and the homeowner contractor alarmed, then see him immediately jump
up and start making his way upstairs to a back door,
trying to gain entry into the home. Homeowner confronts him,
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locks the doors, make sure because the kids are home,
get that's his nine milimeter, and confronts the guy. It
doesn't say whether it confronted him through the door, whether
he opened the door, what have you. The guy drops
the machete, backs down, obeyed verbal commands. Everybody lives to
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see another day.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, how we react has everything to do, and I'm
glad it worked out that way. I'm glad that the
homeowner was there to see to see all this going
on and stop that guy from getting inside the house
with a machete, because you don't ever know how that's
going to end.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It could be bad. Yeah, I mean, that's not your
standard carry a piece of equipment if you're just you know,
some dude out there walking his dog. Yeah, no doubt.
But let's let's let's dig a little deeper. Let's talk
through the what if scenarios and the actual best practices.
Let's set aside that he had another guy with him
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that I think immediately was calling or somebody was calling
nine to one one, so they got the guy, and
everything's fine in that regard. You're inside, bad guys outside.
Do you open that door, even if you have a firearm.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
No, not, if I don't have to, absolutely not, It's
gonna stay locked. And there's you can you can have
a conversation through the door, through other side of the
window or whatever, especially with technology nowadays. I mean, you
can have a conversation with somebody at your front door
sometime not even home.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah you're in another country.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah so but yeah, I mean it's it's absolutely the
goal of any of this stuff is survival for you
and your family. And anytime we can not have a
physical conflict that the winning goes up, the winning percentages
are automatically gonna go up. Because it's kind of like
the old adage that nobody truly wins in a fight,
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and that's a gunfight included, you know, gunfight, physical fights,
any of that kind of stuff. The only way to
truly win is not to happen.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Obviously, the perpetrator obeyed the verbal commands and did as
was demanded of him, and and honestly, then you just
kind of hope maybe this guy's hopped up on something
and he gets some help and everybody lives to have
a better life.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, And unfortunately, in today's world, that is a lot
of what we're dealing with is chemically induced psychosis of
some kind or other that's getting people to act outside
their norm.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
But best case scenario in that setting, your inside doors
are locked, you have a firearm, call the police and wait,
don't confront.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
The drawbridge is up on the castle. Stay in the castle, you.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Know, go on the other inside of the moat. Leave
them on that.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Absolutely absolutely, I mean that's where the castle doctrine comes from.
In your castle, stay there if you can, and defend
it as best you can.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Twenty one past the Hour back with Jad Johnson of
the Talent Training Group, our Personal defense segment. All Right,
we've talked about a couple of stories in the news.
This is more of a general topic JD inspired by
the news and inspired by things that I've just witnessed
and watched and then now as I'm aging, starting to wonder.
You know, you and I are both bigger guys, but
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I also know we're both going to get older. And
I got to thinking, what are the best things for
someone to think about as they age, to not put
themselves in a spot where they're more likely to be
a victim.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, you know, my first piece of advice was, uh,
don't go alone. You know, don't go fill in the
blank wherever you're going, wherever you're going, don't go along.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah. You know, I think about my mom.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And and you know she is, she ages, and with her,
you know, some of her physical you know, fragility.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I guess as she gets.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Old, she's eighty years old, she's gonna you know, we
all are going to physically deteriorate as we get older.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
That's part of part of the process.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
You know, I'm not at fifty six and with a
bunch of metal parts, a bunch of bionic parts of me.
I'm not as you know, I'm not as much of
a force as I was once upon a time kind
of thing. So you know, you just have to think
about that and plan ahead. And you know, it's kind
of Like I tell my mom, I said, you know,
if you need to go somewhere, especially in a in
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a part of town that's not as safe as others,
wait till one of us can go with you. You know,
let us we'll go with you, you know, to look
out for you. And that's not always gonna happen. There's
times that you know, so it's just using your brain,
using your wisdom. As you age your wisdom and your
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life experience, don't put yourself in those positions where where
confrontation might be more likely.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I guess this might be really touchy, but in your
experience at the Range, I know that you have trained
and your team have trained a lot of senior adults. Absolutely, JD.
What's the cutoff where you say to yourself, I need
to say something, or my guys need to say something
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to this person because they probably shouldn't be carrying.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
It's just a it's a it is absolutely a case
by case basis. There's times when we've had people in
the classes that just said, this is not this is
not where you need to be, this is not for you.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
You know, are there some commonalities to that? No, really not.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
It's a combination of can I physically manipulate a self
defense weapon? Do I have the strength? Do you know,
do I have the strength to manipulate the firearm if
you're to control it once you're once you shoot it,
get it loaded, get it unloaded, handle it safely. There's
physical requirements there. The other side to it is the
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is am I mentally or is that person mentally sharp
enough uh to understand? Which is why we do the
scenario based training and we pay close attention to your
performance and when when we're sitting there doing that scenario
based kind of stuff, and you know, you don't want
to create vigilantes like our like our first story, that's
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that's that's not good. That's not good for any of
us as gun owners when that kind of stuff happens.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
And we don't want to see somebody get in trouble.
So it's all about having the correct attitude and we
get people in there from time to time. We have
seen people in there from time to time that are
looking for looking for a fight, and that's not good.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
That person probably doesn't if you're getting a gun because
you want to go pick a fight, that's the wrong
reason to have a firearm or have.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, that's a big time red flag.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
So you know, it's it's it's all about those. You know,
some people physically may be fine, mentally mental capacity may
be not good and vice versa.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Thirty five minutes after the what's making you laugh? Now?
Why'd you make yourself laugh? I thought you were gonna
do it? You thought I was that. I thought you
were gonna know. I'm gonna avoid it this whole time. Okay,
and then we're back for you wouldn't be the same,
all right. J D. Johnson in this morning from the
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Talent Training Group Talent Range, and uh, let's get to
the range. Let's let's talk training and what are some
ways for senior adults to train in such a way
that obviously they're improving their skill set, but also doing
a little self analysis and making sure they're still capable
of doing what is needed if they need to.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
One of the things you can do or and this
is for everybody, not just seniors, but of the things
you can do is is we sell and rent outlawn
out shot timers pack timers, which is it's a little device.
It's a timing device. It hears, it hears gunshots and
you can set it up to where it will give
you a beep or a prompt. They use them for
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competitions primarily, but people that are really into training, a
lot of people even on them themselves where they don't
have to borrow ours and hope that ours are going
to work because they don't last forever. They're they're not
I wouldn't say they're fragile, but they're electronic devices.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
You can't beat them around too much and expect them
to work. But the point is that it gives you
a prompt and then it starts a timer when it
gives you the prompt at times, and it will give
you a mark on there. It'll tell you you can
go back and look at.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
It'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
When your first shot happened, and when your second shot happened,
and when your third shot happened, and it'll give you
a time frame that you're working with. So it adds
a little bit of stress if you're trying to push yourself.
And I'm not you know, and I'm not talking about
fast raw competition or anything like that. I'm just saying
it will give you a time frame from the first prompt.
It took me two and a half or three seconds
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to get the gun out on target and fire the
first shot, and then it was another second between the
first shot and the second shot, and so forth. It
establishes a benchmark for yourself, right exactly, and it will.
It makes you think about timing and speed and speed
and accuracy. It makes you it makes you think about
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those things.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
And that's does that in and of itself raise your
stress level a little bit absolutely.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Okay, that's exactly where else going with this is that
is a stress inducer for a lot of people. Sure,
people that shoot really well. I've seen it through the
years in law enforcement. They shoot perfectly fine if it's
a casual, a casual stuff at the range, shooting a target.
The minute you tell them, okay, we're going to test
your speed and accuracy and you've got to do this
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drill in less than three seconds and you've got to
get two hits out of three and lessen and they're
just their world just explodes, you know, I mean, the
they it's because it's self induced. It's self induced stress.
So that's one of the ways we can by doing
that is we're inducing a little bit of stress of
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performance stress. So I think those are very useful training tools.
And one of the issues that we see with seniors
is the manipulation of the firearm itself. It's not once
you get the gun out, once they get the gun
out and all the you know, have all the time
in the world to do that. A lot of guys can.
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A lot of seniors can still shoot really well. Sure,
it's the speed and the you're you're you're combining the
mental side with the physical side, and that's where you
start to see And I personally, I'll tell you this,
I've slowed down a lot from what I was, from
from where I was when I was younger. I'm still
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pretty fast because I was really fast when I was younger,
but I have slowed down.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Some there were you know, it's it's and I.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
See that in myself at fifty six years old, I've
started to slow down some.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Do you think it's due to dexterity issues or just.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
You know a little bit of everything. I mean, arthritis,
you know, arthritis in the hands.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I was going to ask you about that. Arthritis.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
You know, our our our mental capacity is not what
it was. The neural pathways have aged. Sure, now I'm
probably a lot smarter than I was when I was
younger too, and I you know how to work around
those things. And the way we do that is through
planning and through understanding and you know of how we're
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going to react to things. So it kind of evens
out in the big picture, It kind of evens out.
But I think that that's one of the best things
we can do to in training is to induce always
have some sort of stressor unless you're just out there
to relax, if you're.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Just plinking target, it's have fun and playing targets.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I mean, when I want to have fun shooting, I
go over to the to the to the skeet field
or sporting plays and I shoot play targets.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
So you know.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
But when I'm training, it's it's a serious thing, absolutely,
you know. So anyway you gotta, you gotta when you
go into it.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, because it needs to be. Because one of the
fundamentals we first talked about years ago when we started
these segments. You don't aim a gun at a target
you're not willing to shoot and fire on and kill. Absolutely,
So yeah, serious stuff, all right. When we come back
maintenance back with J. D. Johnson of the Talent Training group.
Remember you can go online talent range dot com learn
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more about all of the UH. It's a great place
to shoot. It's just I can't stress enough how nice
it is to shoot there and UH with ranges in
midway and Dothan maintenance is it's a necessary evil, right absolutely.
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But you hear different people say different things about how
often you got to break down a gun versus just
surface cleaning or running something through that. Talk us through
the what you think are the best practices on maintaining
and let's just keep it simple for now. Your handgun, first.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Of all, use products designed for cleaning a gun. It'll
you know, some sort of some sort of gun, don't.
One of the things I see that will completely stop
guns is the use of things like not knocking the product.
Because they make some good products, but the.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Old WD forty.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Really bad idea to put that on your gun, especially
on the internals of the gun, because over time it
can turn into a varnish. It gets gooey and sticky
time if it's left on the gun, and a lot
of people will ray it in there and just leave
it and think, okay, well my guns, it's it's a lubricant.
It's a penetrant. It does some of the good things,
but you can't leave it on the gun. So get
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gun cleaner, a gun oil, a cleaner, lubricant protecting gun all.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, I was just gonna ask you, is there a
difference between like and I'll use a brand name CLR.
It says cleaner, but it's also lubricant. Is it both?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yes, there's there's more than one. There's not just a
brand of c l R. There's there's a lot of
different brands of of cl RS. And it'll say on
there it'll say, you know, cleaner, lubricant, protecting, and.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
But but there isn't an all in one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
They are okay, they are they they work well. Uh,
the break free products, the cleans oil products, those are
really good all in one. You don't have to buy
separate stuff. Uh, there are some gun oils or oil.
As I say it, Uh, there's I can talk right
if I need to.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
But he's betrayed himself with that one. It's all I
come from. It's them all.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
So there's gun oil that's neither a cleaner nor a protectant.
It's just a lubricant. So pay attention to what the
product is that you're using. Another problem I see is
that people go way too far taking their gun apart,
so they bring it up to me in a box to.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Put back together.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, most of the time, when you buy a firearm,
it's gonna come with a user's manual that will show
you how to feel strip the gun and tell you
where to put the lubrication. Don't go overboard with it.
I see that a lot where it's just I was
just stripping wet and I'm gonna throw the term that.
You know, some guys think they're really mainly using this term. Yeah,
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I got my gun nice loubed and wet. Got a
wet loobed gun.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
You know, and sloppy wet oil loubed is bad. Some
guns need that or want that. Are they older guns?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, nineteen eleven's are notorious for a lot of time
wanting to be really very oily. That can cause problem
and some other guns. And it also can cause a
problem for the shooter because now you've got a gun
that's slathered with a lubricant. You need you need to
rack the slide and your handslips off, so it can
induce problems in other ways.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
JAD, Is there a difference between field stripping and just
you've gone to the range, you've fired a few shots,
you're just gonna do a simple cleaning.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, I mean you can. There are some there are
some firearms, and every farm is different, but yeah, there's
times when you go to the range and you just
want to take a spray some colr on a cop
rather on a cop.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
On a rag and very is what I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I'm sorry, Uh, cop on a on a rag and
wipe it down, wipe the carbon off. You're gonna have
carbon fouling, you know when you shoot just part of
part of shooting, run a boar, snake down the boar,
wipe it down. I recommend at least about every four
or five hundred rounds doing a field strip, getting all
the carbon off, getting all the old old all off
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of there, and putting new oil on there because oil
does attract carbon foutling and dust and dirt. So you know,
it's just it's a good practice to be in. You
don't have to go do a thorough breakdown cleaning every
time you shoot the gun, and you can, you can
overdo it, and that's that's the problem we see a
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lot is that people, you know, keep putting oil on
and never take the old stuff off using something a
product like a there's some guns grubber, Yeah, that will
completely de oil everything. You can't just spray that on
there and I'm done. Now you've got to go back
and reapply the lubrication.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Good stuff. Good visit today, Thanks sir, Thank you. JD.
Johnson with US Challenge Training Group. Remember talentrange dot com.
How did it happen? How do we get here to
the third hour of the program? I don't I don't know,
but here we are, third hour Wednesday. It is the
third Wednesday of the month, and that means it's time
for little personal defense and once again being pressed into duty.
It's Jadie Johnson of the Talent Trading Group, co host
(00:24):
of Talent Outdoors. How are you, sir? I'm great. You
got the short straw twice this month. It happens you
weren't supposed to quite go along with that quite so easily.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I'm not gonna fuss about it, all right, put my
head down and go forward.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
That's what we do, all right, Let's get right to it.
I'm gonna share a couple of different stories from the
news that I that I have here and just kind
of get your reaction to them. You might be familiar
with the stories, you might not. Teenager returns an air
soft handgun allegedly to the store where he was buying
where he bought it. However, the gun was in his pocket.
(01:04):
He had a friend that had an air soft handgun
in his jacket. There was a third team there in
the parking lot, though, is a gentleman that was doing
what he called overwatch. Overwatch is apparently kind of a
military term for observing for activity. His son was in
(01:30):
a judo thing, doing his thing. So he's just waiting
in the parking lot, just kind of observing, and he
sees these kids, and he sees one of them with
the handgun that is an airsoft, but he doesn't know
that at this point, and he thinks he's about to
witness an armed robbery. He intervenes, wrestled one kid to
(01:54):
the ground. They're all telling him these are bb guns.
We're just returning him to the store. He's still in
an engaged battle when one of the kids turns to
walk away and he shot him seven times in the back.
(02:14):
A lot went wrong there. I'd like you to just
kind of address all that is going on with just
the surface level info I just gave you and what
your thoughts are.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, it's a horrible situation, start with.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I mean, that kid's dead.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, there's no bringing him back. No, you know, it's
I get it. I mean there's there's times, there's times
when I sit in the parking lot when my family's
in the store and I don't I don't think out loud,
or think even subconsciously.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I got to be overwatched. But that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I'm just sitting there in the car because I don't
feel like walking around the whatever store they're in and
looking at shoes or clothes or whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You're paying attention to. You're paying attention to anything anyone
else would not be paying attention to.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Right and knowing the quality and appearance of a lot
of these airsoft guns, they are very realistic, made to
look like a myriad of handguns. We've used them in
training scenarios for a long time. The air soft glock
(03:21):
airsoft pistols look close enough to a glock that glock
sued them over it and they fit in glock holsters.
They look just like glocks except for a little small
round a piece of orange around the style. Well, you've
got an orange buzzle on the barrel. Got your guns
not painted orange? It's just a little ring of paint
(03:42):
around the end of the barrel that comes off basically,
and then you have what it looks enough like one
that if you pointed at me and I would probably
react similarly to the way he did.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
This story has earmarks of George Zimmerman all over it.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, you know, but in today's world, I don't think
the guys initially not doing anything wrong. He may have
been better off to I, you know, hindsight being twenty
twenty and it always is, he should have picked up
the phone and called instead of intervening. Unless his family
was in that store.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
They were not.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, so your there's your first, his son's over there
be a good witness, is what I it at Bullstown instead,
you know, unless now we don't know what he did
for living. If he was off due law enforcement, he
may feel a duty to act. He was not, then
you really that's one of those times where we say, yeah,
you may have the legal authority to intervene, it may
(04:42):
not be the smartest or best thing to do. At
that point, I probably would have called law enforcements that, hey,
you got two guys that are armed walking into this business.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Clearly if the young man, extending benefit of the doubt,
were returning these things to.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Find hard to believe, you too, very hard to even.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
But you put that in the bag and you walk
in with him in the bag, and no one ever
sees you got them, and you go from there.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
It tucked in your waistband is a good way to
not you know.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
But would it have been also smarter if this guy
really was concerned just go in the store and wait
to see what happens, if you felt needed to do that,
and let the manager know what you observed outside. Absolutely,
that's that was my point. Because he's probably going to
prison for the rest of his life.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
There is that possibility for sure. He also has a
very valid defense. As bad as this is, he's got
a very you know, if he truly believed that he
was intervening in a armed robbery that was about to happen,
at least by Florida law, he hadn't stepped outside the bounds.
He hadn't hadn't gone out of bounds on that yet.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah. I maintained that if you look at a lot
of the things that happen, and there are lessons to
be learned all over. Yeah, and sometimes they're just really
a good lessons. Sometimes they're really bad lessons. But every
lesson is every every opportunity to learn is something that
I think we should take advantage of. Now, this one,
(06:11):
this story from the news, We're going to contrast this
story because in this case, this one's pretty clear cut.
Guy's with a contractor and they're looking over their backyard.
They're inside the house, and he sees a man with
a dog come into his backyard with a machete. The
(06:32):
guy appears to pass out and he's on the ground,
and the homeowner contractor alarmed, then see him immediately jump
up and start making his way upstairs to a back door,
trying to gain entry into the home. Homeowner confronts him,
(06:56):
locks the doors, make sure because the kids are home,
get that's his nine milimeter, and confronts the guy. It
doesn't say whether it confronted him through the door, whether
he opened the door, what have you. The guy drops
the machete, backs down, obeyed verbal commands. Everybody lives to
(07:17):
see another day.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, how we react has everything to do, and I'm
glad it worked out that way. I'm glad that the
homeowner was there to see to see all this going
on and stop that guy from getting inside the house
with a machete, because you don't ever know how that's
going to end.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It could be bad. Yeah, I mean, that's not your
standard carry a piece of equipment if you're just you know,
some dude out there walking his dog. Yeah, no doubt.
But let's let's let's dig a little deeper. Let's talk
through the what if scenarios and the actual best practices.
Let's set aside that he had another guy with him
(07:57):
that I think immediately was calling or somebody was calling
nine to one one, so they got the guy, and
everything's fine in that regard. You're inside, bad guys outside.
Do you open that door, even if you have a firearm.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
No, not, if I don't have to, absolutely not, It's
gonna stay locked. And there's you can you can have
a conversation through the door, through other side of the
window or whatever, especially with technology nowadays. I mean, you
can have a conversation with somebody at your front door
sometime not even home.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah you're in another country.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah so but yeah, I mean it's it's absolutely the
goal of any of this stuff is survival for you
and your family. And anytime we can not have a
physical conflict that the winning goes up, the winning percentages
are automatically gonna go up. Because it's kind of like
the old adage that nobody truly wins in a fight,
(08:52):
and that's a gunfight included, you know, gunfight, physical fights,
any of that kind of stuff. The only way to
truly win is not to happen.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Obviously, the perpetrator obeyed the verbal commands and did as
was demanded of him, and and honestly, then you just
kind of hope maybe this guy's hopped up on something
and he gets some help and everybody lives to have
a better life.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, And unfortunately, in today's world, that is a lot
of what we're dealing with is chemically induced psychosis of
some kind or other that's getting people to act outside
their norm.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
But best case scenario in that setting, your inside doors
are locked, you have a firearm, call the police and wait,
don't confront.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
The drawbridge is up on the castle. Stay in the castle, you.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Know, go on the other inside of the moat. Leave
them on that.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Absolutely absolutely, I mean that's where the castle doctrine comes from.
In your castle, stay there if you can, and defend
it as best you can.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Twenty one past the Hour back with Jad Johnson of
the Talent Training Group, our Personal defense segment. All Right,
we've talked about a couple of stories in the news.
This is more of a general topic JD inspired by
the news and inspired by things that I've just witnessed
and watched and then now as I'm aging, starting to wonder.
You know, you and I are both bigger guys, but
(10:11):
I also know we're both going to get older. And
I got to thinking, what are the best things for
someone to think about as they age, to not put
themselves in a spot where they're more likely to be
a victim.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, you know, my first piece of advice was, uh,
don't go alone. You know, don't go fill in the
blank wherever you're going, wherever you're going, don't go along.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah. You know, I think about my mom.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And and you know she is, she ages, and with her,
you know, some of her physical you know, fragility.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I guess as she gets.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Old, she's eighty years old, she's gonna you know, we
all are going to physically deteriorate as we get older.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
That's part of part of the process.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
You know, I'm not at fifty six and with a
bunch of metal parts, a bunch of bionic parts of me.
I'm not as you know, I'm not as much of
a force as I was once upon a time kind
of thing. So you know, you just have to think
about that and plan ahead. And you know, it's kind
of Like I tell my mom, I said, you know,
if you need to go somewhere, especially in a in
(11:23):
a part of town that's not as safe as others,
wait till one of us can go with you. You know,
let us we'll go with you, you know, to look
out for you. And that's not always gonna happen. There's
times that you know, so it's just using your brain,
using your wisdom. As you age your wisdom and your
(11:43):
life experience, don't put yourself in those positions where where
confrontation might be more likely.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I guess this might be really touchy, but in your
experience at the Range, I know that you have trained
and your team have trained a lot of senior adults. Absolutely, JD.
What's the cutoff where you say to yourself, I need
to say something, or my guys need to say something
(12:14):
to this person because they probably shouldn't be carrying.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
It's just a it's a it is absolutely a case
by case basis. There's times when we've had people in
the classes that just said, this is not this is
not where you need to be, this is not for you.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
You know, are there some commonalities to that? No, really not.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
It's a combination of can I physically manipulate a self
defense weapon? Do I have the strength? Do you know,
do I have the strength to manipulate the firearm if
you're to control it once you're once you shoot it,
get it loaded, get it unloaded, handle it safely. There's
physical requirements there. The other side to it is the
(12:57):
is am I mentally or is that person mentally sharp
enough uh to understand? Which is why we do the
scenario based training and we pay close attention to your
performance and when when we're sitting there doing that scenario
based kind of stuff, and you know, you don't want
to create vigilantes like our like our first story, that's
(13:20):
that's that's not good. That's not good for any of
us as gun owners when that kind of stuff happens.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
And we don't want to see somebody get in trouble.
So it's all about having the correct attitude and we
get people in there from time to time. We have
seen people in there from time to time that are
looking for looking for a fight, and that's not good.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
That person probably doesn't if you're getting a gun because
you want to go pick a fight, that's the wrong
reason to have a firearm or have.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, that's a big time red flag.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
So you know, it's it's it's all about those. You know,
some people physically may be fine, mentally mental capacity may
be not good and vice versa.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Thirty five minutes after the what's making you laugh? Now?
Why'd you make yourself laugh? I thought you were gonna
do it? You thought I was that. I thought you
were gonna know. I'm gonna avoid it this whole time. Okay,
and then we're back for you wouldn't be the same,
all right. J D. Johnson in this morning from the
(14:32):
Talent Training Group Talent Range, and uh, let's get to
the range. Let's let's talk training and what are some
ways for senior adults to train in such a way
that obviously they're improving their skill set, but also doing
a little self analysis and making sure they're still capable
of doing what is needed if they need to.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
One of the things you can do or and this
is for everybody, not just seniors, but of the things
you can do is is we sell and rent outlawn
out shot timers pack timers, which is it's a little device.
It's a timing device. It hears, it hears gunshots and
you can set it up to where it will give
you a beep or a prompt. They use them for
(15:17):
competitions primarily, but people that are really into training, a
lot of people even on them themselves where they don't
have to borrow ours and hope that ours are going
to work because they don't last forever. They're they're not
I wouldn't say they're fragile, but they're electronic devices.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
You can't beat them around too much and expect them
to work. But the point is that it gives you
a prompt and then it starts a timer when it
gives you the prompt at times, and it will give
you a mark on there. It'll tell you you can
go back and look at.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
It'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
When your first shot happened, and when your second shot happened,
and when your third shot happened, and it'll give you
a time frame that you're working with. So it adds
a little bit of stress if you're trying to push yourself.
And I'm not you know, and I'm not talking about
fast raw competition or anything like that. I'm just saying
it will give you a time frame from the first prompt.
It took me two and a half or three seconds
(16:10):
to get the gun out on target and fire the
first shot, and then it was another second between the
first shot and the second shot, and so forth. It
establishes a benchmark for yourself, right exactly, and it will.
It makes you think about timing and speed and speed
and accuracy. It makes you it makes you think about
(16:31):
those things.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
And that's does that in and of itself raise your
stress level a little bit absolutely.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Okay, that's exactly where else going with this is that
is a stress inducer for a lot of people. Sure,
people that shoot really well. I've seen it through the
years in law enforcement. They shoot perfectly fine if it's
a casual, a casual stuff at the range, shooting a target.
The minute you tell them, okay, we're going to test
your speed and accuracy and you've got to do this
(16:57):
drill in less than three seconds and you've got to
get two hits out of three and lessen and they're
just their world just explodes, you know, I mean, the
they it's because it's self induced. It's self induced stress.
So that's one of the ways we can by doing
that is we're inducing a little bit of stress of
(17:17):
performance stress. So I think those are very useful training tools.
And one of the issues that we see with seniors
is the manipulation of the firearm itself. It's not once
you get the gun out, once they get the gun
out and all the you know, have all the time
in the world to do that. A lot of guys can.
(17:39):
A lot of seniors can still shoot really well. Sure,
it's the speed and the you're you're you're combining the
mental side with the physical side, and that's where you
start to see And I personally, I'll tell you this,
I've slowed down a lot from what I was, from
from where I was when I was younger. I'm still
(18:00):
pretty fast because I was really fast when I was younger,
but I have slowed down.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Some there were you know, it's it's and I.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
See that in myself at fifty six years old, I've
started to slow down some.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Do you think it's due to dexterity issues or just.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
You know a little bit of everything. I mean, arthritis,
you know, arthritis in the hands.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I was going to ask you about that. Arthritis.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
You know, our our our mental capacity is not what
it was. The neural pathways have aged. Sure, now I'm
probably a lot smarter than I was when I was
younger too, and I you know how to work around
those things. And the way we do that is through
planning and through understanding and you know of how we're
(18:43):
going to react to things. So it kind of evens
out in the big picture, It kind of evens out.
But I think that that's one of the best things
we can do to in training is to induce always
have some sort of stressor unless you're just out there
to relax, if you're.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Just plinking target, it's have fun and playing targets.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I mean, when I want to have fun shooting, I
go over to the to the to the skeet field
or sporting plays and I shoot play targets.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
So you know.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
But when I'm training, it's it's a serious thing, absolutely,
you know. So anyway you gotta, you gotta when you
go into it.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, because it needs to be. Because one of the
fundamentals we first talked about years ago when we started
these segments. You don't aim a gun at a target
you're not willing to shoot and fire on and kill. Absolutely,
So yeah, serious stuff, all right. When we come back
maintenance back with J. D. Johnson of the Talent Training group.
Remember you can go online talent range dot com learn
(19:41):
more about all of the UH. It's a great place
to shoot. It's just I can't stress enough how nice
it is to shoot there and UH with ranges in
midway and Dothan maintenance is it's a necessary evil, right absolutely.
(20:01):
But you hear different people say different things about how
often you got to break down a gun versus just
surface cleaning or running something through that. Talk us through
the what you think are the best practices on maintaining
and let's just keep it simple for now. Your handgun, first.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Of all, use products designed for cleaning a gun. It'll
you know, some sort of some sort of gun, don't.
One of the things I see that will completely stop
guns is the use of things like not knocking the product.
Because they make some good products, but the.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Old WD forty.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Really bad idea to put that on your gun, especially
on the internals of the gun, because over time it
can turn into a varnish. It gets gooey and sticky
time if it's left on the gun, and a lot
of people will ray it in there and just leave
it and think, okay, well my guns, it's it's a lubricant.
It's a penetrant. It does some of the good things,
but you can't leave it on the gun. So get
(21:09):
gun cleaner, a gun oil, a cleaner, lubricant protecting gun all.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, I was just gonna ask you, is there a
difference between like and I'll use a brand name CLR.
It says cleaner, but it's also lubricant. Is it both?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yes, there's there's more than one. There's not just a
brand of c l R. There's there's a lot of
different brands of of cl RS. And it'll say on
there it'll say, you know, cleaner, lubricant, protecting, and.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
But but there isn't an all in one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
They are okay, they are they they work well. Uh,
the break free products, the cleans oil products, those are
really good all in one. You don't have to buy
separate stuff. Uh, there are some gun oils or oil.
As I say it, Uh, there's I can talk right
if I need to.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
But he's betrayed himself with that one. It's all I
come from. It's them all.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
So there's gun oil that's neither a cleaner nor a protectant.
It's just a lubricant. So pay attention to what the
product is that you're using. Another problem I see is
that people go way too far taking their gun apart,
so they bring it up to me in a box to.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Put back together.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, most of the time, when you buy a firearm,
it's gonna come with a user's manual that will show
you how to feel strip the gun and tell you
where to put the lubrication. Don't go overboard with it.
I see that a lot where it's just I was
just stripping wet and I'm gonna throw the term that.
You know, some guys think they're really mainly using this term. Yeah,
(22:39):
I got my gun nice loubed and wet. Got a
wet loobed gun.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
You know, and sloppy wet oil loubed is bad. Some
guns need that or want that. Are they older guns?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, nineteen eleven's are notorious for a lot of time
wanting to be really very oily. That can cause problem
and some other guns. And it also can cause a
problem for the shooter because now you've got a gun
that's slathered with a lubricant. You need you need to
rack the slide and your handslips off, so it can
induce problems in other ways.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
JAD, Is there a difference between field stripping and just
you've gone to the range, you've fired a few shots,
you're just gonna do a simple cleaning.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, I mean you can. There are some there are
some firearms, and every farm is different, but yeah, there's
times when you go to the range and you just
want to take a spray some colr on a cop
rather on a cop.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
On a rag and very is what I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I'm sorry, Uh, cop on a on a rag and
wipe it down, wipe the carbon off. You're gonna have
carbon fouling, you know when you shoot just part of
part of shooting, run a boar, snake down the boar,
wipe it down. I recommend at least about every four
or five hundred rounds doing a field strip, getting all
the carbon off, getting all the old old all off
(24:01):
of there, and putting new oil on there because oil
does attract carbon foutling and dust and dirt. So you know,
it's just it's a good practice to be in. You
don't have to go do a thorough breakdown cleaning every
time you shoot the gun, and you can, you can
overdo it, and that's that's the problem we see a
(24:22):
lot is that people, you know, keep putting oil on
and never take the old stuff off using something a
product like a there's some guns grubber, Yeah, that will
completely de oil everything. You can't just spray that on
there and I'm done. Now you've got to go back
and reapply the lubrication.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Good stuff. Good visit today, Thanks sir, Thank you. JD.
Johnson with US Challenge Training Group. Remember talentrange dot com.
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