May 15, 2024 • 25 mins
In his monthly visit, Charlie Strickland discussed a couple of stories from the news which are full of lessons, and sadly some tragedy. He also tells a story not many have ever heard about his days on the campus of Florida State.
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Five past the hour. It isthe third Hour, Ruminators, ladies and
gentlemen, boys and girls and yes, just boys and girls. It's The
Morning Show with Preston Scott. Wednesday, May fifteenth. For some of you,
it's payday. He hawt of that. He's Grant Allen. I'm Preston
and this is Charlie Strickland. Heis the co founder of the Talent Training
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Group, co host Talent Outdoors andAll Things Talent. Hello, good morning,
how you is? I am I'dbe great, I am fantastic.
Did you love Senator Scott's intro tohis segment. It's raining up here and
I don't know how people live.It's not going to be a good day
for you with what we do inWashington, DC to ruin your life.
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It was a great interest. Yeah. Well, he's in. He sees
the inside of it. It's beenvery long enough to know how terrible it
really is. Yea, So maybemaybe we can pull out, you know,
control of the Senate that's go around, and maybe they can actually start
to do something. Although I neverexpect anything actually come out of Washington.
That's in our favor. I justwhich they would quit weaponizing all of the
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alphabet agencies and going after everybody thatdoesn't need to be targeted. The beauty
of Florida is not just the theamendment that says we've got to have a
balanced budget. It's not just noincome tax. The beauty of Florida is
a part time of legislature. Theycan they can only do things for two
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months of the year. That's thebeauty. Yeah, that's and it's amazing
watching Tyler hassees when there's sessions insessions out. I mean it's different.
I was doing an active shooter trainingcourse the other day for an association,
which basically includes some lobbying and stuff, and I was talking about, well,
how does a business flow, andas well, when sessions in,
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we do it this way and thenthe rest of the time we do it
that way. Yeah, a lotof that goes on in this town.
And it was encouraging to hear that, you know, senator' Scott had actually
was paying attention to what was goingon in this town. And I'm gonna
say this, and this might notbe popular to the people who are here
in the Tyler hassee right now thatare suffering. And I am not by
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any means minimizing the suffering that theyhave. My daughter has been without power,
with kids, brand new kid.It's it's been a bad time.
It is. It's terrible. However, go ahead. The winds that were
here the tornado, the winds werehow fast one hundred and twenty something like
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that. One hundred and thirty maybefast, Okay, it was one hundred
and fifty in Jackson County and itwas thirty five miles wide. So when
Mike hit, when hurricanes hit,it's regional, it's not. It's not
one thousand yards wide times a mileor two. Now. Hitting the capital
city is terrible. But I thinkit said, if you see how bad
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it is in Tallahassee, then goback a few years and you'll know how
it was through a whole region.Think about all the places in the state
of Florida that are just absolutely destroyed. We're just like downtown Tallahassee. I
think the way to look at itis Tallahassee got a taste of what it's
like when you're near the coast whena hurricane comes in. Because more power
poles were snapped in half during thistornado things than three hurricanes combined. And
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I've been out on the streets ofTallahassee. When I was with a sheriff's
office, I was on the severeweather of salting. They took the swat
team and they gave us change.So you guys assaulted hurricanes, Well,
we called it that because they wouldbring us in and make sure we could
still crank up a chainsaw and putus on the streets during the highest of
the wind when you know everybody elseis going in you know there and you
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see the debris removal teams until hasthe police department. Sheriff's office had those
same teams out during this working Isaw them. Kudos to them for doing
that. I mean, there's atradition of that. I remember Larry Campbell
going out with a chainsaw and clearingtrees on his way into work, you
know, after one of those storms, and that's what happens. All of
the agencies come together, everybody workstogether to do that. It's uh,
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you know, but it is.It's been bad, but it's not We're
on what are we six capitural southIt is like sixteen miles from the coast.
In Mariana is like forty five minutesfrom the coast. And they got
one hundred fift miin our winds andJackson County up there. So if we
ever get a hurricane that truly justplows right up to Saint Mark's River,
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we had a problem. Yeah,no doubt about a tree community. I
put it this way. We'll seeafter that. Well, well, it's
trees and tornado or hurricane force windsdon't dance well together. One of these
days, if that did happen,you'd see a lot of utilities starting to
go on the ground here. Can'tdo it now. Back with Charlie Strickland
of the Talent Training Group before weget to some of our personal defense topics
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here, I just got to askyou. There was a Florida man story,
I don't know if you caught iton your way in here, of
an officer charging a guy he wastrespassing and he had arrested him because he
wasn't obeying the order of staying offthis property. But he got hit with
a cheeseburger and went to his legand he wrote him up for felony assault.
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Have you never done anything like that? A cravated battery on law enforcement
officer? If you batter a lawenforcement officer, it is automatically a felony
because they are law enforcement officer.Now, I don't think I would charge
someone with the fel Well, ifyou charge him with the battery, it's
going to be the felony. It'snever going to make it to court.
They're going to pull it down immediately, especially in that case, I doubt.
But what's the closest thing to awrite up of somebody throwing a cheeseburger
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and hitting you that you came across? Remember the wide right ear when Miami
beat us, which time one ofthe one of the ones here in town
or in town. I was atwo year FSU police officer and number seventy
nine. Mark Caesar was a defensiveend for the Miami Hurricanes. Right before
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the field gold attempt, he wasone that disrupted the option when we were
trying to score a touchdown. FSshe was and he was one that interrupted
that play. Okay, prior tohalftime. Uh, there were FSU fans.
We were down on the sidelines andbefore when the chain link fence was
down there it was it wasn't Therewas nothing between the ball players and the
and the fans except just a littlefence. And uh, one of them
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Mark. Caesar was sitting there withthe defensive line, and he took a
cup of ice and he looked overhis shoulder and he threw the cup of
ice up into the stands and ithit me, and so not like you
remember it or anything, it hitme, and I went I went over
and I and I looked and Iwas trying to figure out which one it
was, and I was going seventynine Caesar Caesar, and I went over
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there and I tapped him on theshoulder. That's what I wrote it up.
I tapped him on the show.I got his attention by touching him
on the shoulder. It's more ofa you know, hey, And he
spun around and shoved me. It'slike, get off me, and so
I uh. And then the wholedefensive line stood up in my face.
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And he was the smallest of them. But I don't know how many he
was gonna use, but I knewhow many he brought to the fight.
And I know how that goes onthe sidelines and laws are sort of suspended
and athletic events sometimes, but technicallyit should have been a handcuffed right there
in the middle of the game.But I actually was not that stupid.
So I said, all right,I'll be back with you in a minute.
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And so I called up my chainof command all right, said hey,
this person battered me football player andthey're like, ah, yeah,
whatever, and I said, no, seriously. One thing that came down
and talked to me and says,yeah, you're not gonna you can't charge
him. I'm like, what doyou mean you you We're not going to
do that, and I said,So I went back over and standing there
by the fans, and they're alllike, well, what about us?
We got hit with ice too?I said, oh you did? Really?
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Yes, would you fill out asworn alf of David saying that you
were the victim of battery? Andthey did? And I only had,
like, I can only find fivesworn half of David. There's like forty
people saying they got hit with sixpieces of ice. I don't know how
that must have glanced around, andso they I got some sworn alf of
David's and I wanted to go.I said, what do you go do?
So we're gonna arrest him? Andmy chaining command was like no,
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now, we we'll we'll we'll we'llgo in, We'll go see him talk
to because they go in, theytalk to him that he's gonna come out
and apologize, and I want I'mnot willing to accept that, but you
can't ask those fans and all wewant him charged. He got charged with
five counts of battery against the fans, but not the felony against me.
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Had they let me do what Iwanted to do, which was arrest him
at halftime, that would have beensomething he wouldn't have been in the game,
would not have interrupted that option,and then we may not have had
to kick that missed field goal.We may have won. That would have
sent us to a national championship.So if somebody would just listen to me
every once in a while, we'dhave another national title. See I knew,
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I knew what was going to happen, but they didn't want to listen
to me. Anyway, it madethe national news. I've got the articles.
Is awesome. I still have theletter of apology he had to sent
me as part of his plea agreement, and apparently English was not his one
of his courses he passed. Ican tell you that you don't say yeah.
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So anyway, FLA at w FLAfam dot com on your phone with
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and Sonos and Iheart's radio station.Almost twenty two minutes past the hour
Personal Defense segment. Charlie Strickland ofthe talent training group Talentarrange dot com course
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co host of Telling the Outdoors Youcan hear it weekends on Saturday at ten
am Eastern. Charlie, you sentme a story here, and as listeners
know, I look at stories andI believe that almost any one of these
things can offer us an opportunity tolearn something, and this particular story caught
your eye. I'm going to leavethe name of the loser out of it
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that was in the middle of this, but the headline New Jersey marine arrested
after allegedly making threats to kill whitepeople, began planning mass shooting. What
stood out to you about this story, Well, it won it's a military
guy and he's not old enough tohave served in combat, so it's not
PTSD or anything like that. Thisis a young marine starting out. He
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made threats, and it wasn't he'sa black guy making threats to kill white
people. Based on the fact thatit's a racial issue. He's basically lashing
out. But that's not what stoodout to me. What stood out was
in the article when I read it, was that. And he had been
posting on social media saying what hewas going to do for almost a year,
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planning this, posting updates on howhe's going to do it, how
to smuggle guns in the New Jersey, how to do this, how to
do that, And then he wasin the military, went to training.
Nobody vetted this, I mean nobodylooked at this. Apparently this seems like
that would be enough to discipline somebodyor not let them in the military,
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or give them the advanced firearms training. And all the military people get military
training they got so somebody dropped theball there, So let's train this person
who's spouting off about how dangerous theycan be. And then what really got
me was when he I'm looking inthere, and he had been scouting locations
and he had picked the location.He never said where it was. He
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said, I've picked a location,I've scouted it, and I'm pretty sure
nobody has guns there. So hewent out, this is his mindset,
This is the mindset of a predator. He's going out and looking for places
that he knows is a soft targetwhere no one will fight back, no
one's going to present any sort ofresistance, and that's where he's going to
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go. The fact that there areno guns there and we talk about,
oh, we don't want guns hereand we don't want guns there, well
us specifically, where that these peopleare planning to go to is where they
know they're not going to run intothese types of this situations. You notice
in states where we've armed people inthe schools, guardians, law enforcement,
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we've mandated in Florida now we've mandatedbased on how many people are in the
school, how many law enforcement orguardian type people, armed people have to
be there in order for school togo on. Is it a ratio?
I think there is a base,maybe something to do with the funding.
I'm not that familiar with it.I know there was a discussion the other
day about this somewhere. But thefact is is that we've got armed people
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in the schools now and you don'thear as much about school shootings in these
areas. When we have these peoplethere, it is definitely a deterrent.
My fear is that we will goa while without any and then they'll say,
well, we can back off thata little bit, and I don't
think that's a good idea. Butyou're always looking for places to cut the
law enforcements, cutting training, whichis the worst place to cut it you've
got but you know you don't wantto start cutting your armed security in these
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places. So and there's no moveto do that here locally. But as
some of the state funding expires intime, people are going to have to
start looking at their own pockets tofund some of this. I'm afraid down
the road, and you know it'scertainly worth spending the money. So in
this case, I mean that guyactually went out and figured out where he
could go. He was late,and somebody was paying attention. But he's
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posting from twenty twenty two to twentytwenty three, and he gets arrested in
twenty twenty four, making these threatsand planning this the whole time. And
you're telling me that nowhere along theway did anybody to go and look into
it and do anything. Until it'scrazy to think given the reality that today
most every employer that I know,one of their background checks is social media.
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They go out and they look atsomeone's social media and see what they're
all about. Yeah, are wethat desperate in our armed services now?
Where we don't care? I don'tknow. You know, he could have
been doing it under an alias onsocial media and maybe they finally connected the
dots or something. Maybe that Idon't know. I don't know enough about
that case, but I can tellyou that when I'm hiring, and you
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know, I have an armed securitycompany, When I hire somebody, I
go look at their social media andI watch what they say. You know,
if they say something that makes thecompany look bad or indicates some lack
of balance and they're not working forme, you know, they go,
then go do that somewhere else.Sure, because you know, you have
to vet your own people. Butwhat you say matters because social media is
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a place in this day and age. People don't realize it, but they're
they're showing their soul to the worldon social media. The stuff you post
online, that's who you really are. I mean, you wouldn't do that
in public. You wouldn't say thethings in public that you would say on
social media. People can say itand they don't feel like there are any
consequences to that. Now we knowthat there are We know that what we
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say the world sees and they seeright through us to who we really are.
But that you know, that's he'stalking about a year and a half,
two years he's wanting to go dothis stuff, and nobody did anything
that whole see something, say somethingdeal. Sounds kind of corny, man,
Somebody, if you see that,you've got to let somebody know.
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I mean, that's yeah, that'swhat happened. If he had it going
out, shot up a place andkilled a bunch of people and everybody said,
oh, he's a nice guy,I never would have realized it.
Oh except for all these social mediaposts I've been seeing for two years.
I suppose if you're a private businessowner, one of the lessons in all
of this is they still target gunfor his own So if you're one of
those, don't promote it. That'sfor sure. Twenty eight past the hour,
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thirty six minutes past it is Wednesday. In the morning show, Charlie
Strickland of the Talent Training Group withMe Personal Defense talk about some of the
stories of the news. Another storythat you flagg is and it has been
in the news is the body cameraNow is out showing the shooting of a
airman by a Florida deputy in anapartment doorway Fort Walton Beach. What stood
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out to you, Well, obviously, this is a tragedy for the family
of the deceased, for the deceased, his girlfriend, and the deputy involved
in the Sharf's office over there,and the community. I mean, there's
nothing good about this. There's nothinggood about this. There's not a silver
lining in this at all. Sowhat wrong did anybody? Well? Based
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on which we know, understand,I'm extremely law enforcement friendly, of course,
law enforce I'm still a cop.I'm a law enforcement trainer, have
been most all of my career.I think the deputy messed up in a
big way. I think he waswrong, But I still don't know all
the details, so I'm withholding somejudgment on this, But based on all
of the scenarios that I've been throughand all of the real life experience that
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I have, I think that hehe reacted poorly. Because for a lot
of people don't know this story.Okay, So, the Sheriff's office in
Oaklus County responds to a complaint ofa disturbance of some sort at an address.
There's some people say the guy wentto the wrong address and the sheriff'sf
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The sheriff is maintaining he did notgo to the wrong address, but the
information given to the sheriff's office sometimesthey call in the dispatch and that there's
a disturbance. It's in an apartment, an apartment complex where you've got multiple
rooms and multiple doors and multiple floorsand all this kind of stuff, And
so you know, a lot oftimes the information that we get is wrong.
But the deputy is responding to thelocation that he was sent to based
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on some sort of a disturbance there, and we don't know what that And
so without knowing all that information,in the frame of mind he was in,
but there's a difference between their shotsfired an apartment too and a woman
screaming for help, and whether somebodyarguing an apartment too or somewhere on the
second floor. I mean, there'sa lot of different things you could have
going into that. So until weknow what that call was, it's kind
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of hard to judge. But atthe same time, no matter how what
kind of information you have, andthe fact that there weren't three or four
officers there means that it probably wasn'tshots fired. It was probably an argument
and a routine deal. The deputygoes up to an apartment door and this
is on body camera, and heknocks on the door. Boom boom boom,
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backs up a couple steps, pauses, knocks on the door, Shriff's
office, open the door, somethinglike that, Shriff's office. He announces,
and then he switches sides of thedoor, stays out of the peep
hole where you can't see who itis, which is a lotlaw enforcements officer
safety issue. We don't stand infront of the door. Absolutely. He
knocks on it again. Somebody comesto the door. It's a twenty three
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year old black kid, an airman, military guy, reputable kid. You
know, he appears to be cleancut. He's a military guy. He
works at Hurbert Field and the SpecialOperations Divisions at the Air Force. You
know there's a lot of military inthis area. The kid opens the door
and we then split seconds to deputy. The deputy says step back, and
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then boom boom, boom, boomboom. Kid gets shot six times.
Now in the video you see thekid answers the door with a gun in
his right hand, but it's downby his leg, and the deputy didn't
see that. Based on my readingof his body language and his voice,
he didn't see it initially, butwhen he did see it, the gun
was never brought up, was neverpresented to the deputy, never pointed at
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him. I didn't see any furtivemovements or any threatening behavior on behalf of
the kid. The deputy saw agun and shot him. Welcome to m
a D Radio Network. It's theMorning Show with Preston Scott. Forty one
minutes past Charlie Strickland with me.We're talking about a shooting of an airman
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in Okalusa County for Fort Walton Beacharea, and we're gonna pause right there,
and I'm gonna ask the question atthat moment the interaction between the young
man and the airman and the sheriff'sdeputy. The airman legally had every right
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to have a firearm in his handinside his home, So you got to
look at it from the airman's perspective. Okay, So he's in there,
he's on FaceTime with his girlfriend.She saw all of this happen, she
heard it. She was still onthe phone. So there's a witness outside
of the body camera footage now,so he's in there. We don't know
if he heard the deputy say Sheriff'soffice or shriff's that anything. He could
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he could have had it turned up. He could have been in the back
room and just hurt thump, thump, thump on the top of it in
front of the room. I don'tknow that kind of neighborhood they live in.
But you have every right to answeryour door anytime you want to and
your private residence with a gun inyour hand. Don't point it at anybody.
That's aggravated assault, of course,But to have a gun in your
hand is perfectly legal, justifiable,and reasonable depending on the circumstances if you
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don't know who's at your door.I mean JD and I were talking about
this on our show. We answerthe door with a gun in our hand.
If if you knock on my door, I'm either gonna I'm either gonna
put my gun in my hoster onso I have access to it, or
it's going to be in my hand. That's normal. That's normal for law
abiding people to do that. Imean, you know, maybe not normal
for everybody, but yeah, ithappens, and it's lawful and it's and
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it's perfectly legal and reasonable. Andso just because I have a gun in
my hand doesn't mean that you canshoot me. Now if I point the
gun at you, that's a difference, store Absolutely it is. So from
the kid's perspective, he's going tothe door to an unknown somebody thumping on
the door pretty assertively, okay,and he wants to know who it is.
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He doesn't show the gun. Hejust holds it down behind his thigh
and he's got his body bladed.But when the deputy said stepped back and
he moved, the gun became exposed, but it was still down in a
non threatening manner, down by hisleg. And the deputy didn't didn't take
a step to cover, to usethe doorjam as cover, point the gun
at him and go drop the gun, drop the gun or anything like that.
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He just went bam bam, bam, bam bam bam. So the
deputy did not have his gun drawnfrom his holster until he saw the fire.
I saw the gun, drew thepistol, and the kid put his
left hand up like palm out likewait, you know, he put his
hand up like hey, and heldhis hand up and he had the other
one down by his leg, andthere was no time for him to react
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or just up out of the wayor drop the gun. I mean,
it happens so fast. You know, he opened the door and saw a
uniform. He was surprised, itseems from what I can tell, So
there is virtually no verbal exchange.Zero. He said step back, you
know, when he opened the door, he goes step back because the deputy's
responding. Now from the deputy's perspective, he goes there and say there's a
disturbance going on. The guy opensthe door. After several times him knocking,
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the guy comes to the door,opens the door, and he goes
step back so he can see what'sgoing on in the apartment, which he
has no authority to tell the manto step back in his own apartment unless
there's some life in danger, andhe doesn't have I don't know that he
had that information. So he saysstep back, and that's when he saw
the gun and engaged. There wasthere was zebra. And here's where the
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issue comes into play. Was adeputy justified I don't think so. I
think he's in a world of trouble. I think the agency's fixing the payout
as much as they can legally,and then the legislature's going to have to
fund some you know, approve somesome more funding. This is going to
be Ben Crump involved in it andall this stuff. It's going to be
a big deal. I think oneof the biggest things is going to go
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back to law enforcement training. They'regonna pull his training records and you say,
how much situational based training, howmuch reality based training, how much
forceal enforce training, Because that's theonly way to solve this problem is to
put your people through that type oftraining, because that's how you can train
your way out of this. Butyou can't policy your way out of this.
You sue your way out of it. And there are so many lessons
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on this one, not just forlaw enforcement, but lessons for everybody about
the importance of situational training. Well, and don't think it couldn't happen.
It's your house or my house tomorrow, somebody law enforcement's going to go to
the house to knock on the doorand ask questions. If there's something going
on in the neighborhood. They're goingto they might go to the wrong house.
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It happens all the time. Soand you might answer the door,
would have gun in your hand,and then that could be you or me,
And so we all have a vestedinterested in this. So when training
is not funded very well, we'vegot to do something statewide, especially in
smaller agencies, to start making adifference. Thanks for the time, Charlie
Strickland with US Talent Training Group.Remember talentrange dot com. Get your training
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there and head out to the rangedo some training yourself. Forty seven past the hour
Five past the hour. It isthe third Hour, Ruminators, ladies and
gentlemen, boys and girls and yes, just boys and girls. It's The
Morning Show with Preston Scott. Wednesday, May fifteenth. For some of you,
it's payday. He hawt of that. He's Grant Allen. I'm Preston
and this is Charlie Strickland. Heis the co founder of the Talent Training
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Group, co host Talent Outdoors andAll Things Talent. Hello, good morning,
how you is? I am I'dbe great, I am fantastic.
Did you love Senator Scott's intro tohis segment. It's raining up here and
I don't know how people live.It's not going to be a good day
for you with what we do inWashington, DC to ruin your life.
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It was a great interest. Yeah. Well, he's in. He sees
the inside of it. It's beenvery long enough to know how terrible it
really is. Yea, So maybemaybe we can pull out, you know,
control of the Senate that's go around, and maybe they can actually start
to do something. Although I neverexpect anything actually come out of Washington.
That's in our favor. I justwhich they would quit weaponizing all of the
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alphabet agencies and going after everybody thatdoesn't need to be targeted. The beauty
of Florida is not just the theamendment that says we've got to have a
balanced budget. It's not just noincome tax. The beauty of Florida is
a part time of legislature. Theycan they can only do things for two
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months of the year. That's thebeauty. Yeah, that's and it's amazing
watching Tyler hassees when there's sessions insessions out. I mean it's different.
I was doing an active shooter trainingcourse the other day for an association,
which basically includes some lobbying and stuff, and I was talking about, well,
how does a business flow, andas well, when sessions in,
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we do it this way and thenthe rest of the time we do it
that way. Yeah, a lotof that goes on in this town.
And it was encouraging to hear that, you know, senator' Scott had actually
was paying attention to what was goingon in this town. And I'm gonna
say this, and this might notbe popular to the people who are here
in the Tyler hassee right now thatare suffering. And I am not by
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any means minimizing the suffering that theyhave. My daughter has been without power,
with kids, brand new kid.It's it's been a bad time.
It is. It's terrible. However, go ahead. The winds that were
here the tornado, the winds werehow fast one hundred and twenty something like
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that. One hundred and thirty maybefast, Okay, it was one hundred
and fifty in Jackson County and itwas thirty five miles wide. So when
Mike hit, when hurricanes hit,it's regional, it's not. It's not
one thousand yards wide times a mileor two. Now. Hitting the capital
city is terrible. But I thinkit said, if you see how bad
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it is in Tallahassee, then goback a few years and you'll know how
it was through a whole region.Think about all the places in the state
of Florida that are just absolutely destroyed. We're just like downtown Tallahassee. I
think the way to look at itis Tallahassee got a taste of what it's
like when you're near the coast whena hurricane comes in. Because more power
poles were snapped in half during thistornado things than three hurricanes combined. And
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I've been out on the streets ofTallahassee. When I was with a sheriff's
office, I was on the severeweather of salting. They took the swat
team and they gave us change.So you guys assaulted hurricanes, Well,
we called it that because they wouldbring us in and make sure we could
still crank up a chainsaw and putus on the streets during the highest of
the wind when you know everybody elseis going in you know there and you
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see the debris removal teams until hasthe police department. Sheriff's office had those
same teams out during this working Isaw them. Kudos to them for doing
that. I mean, there's atradition of that. I remember Larry Campbell
going out with a chainsaw and clearingtrees on his way into work, you
know, after one of those storms, and that's what happens. All of
the agencies come together, everybody workstogether to do that. It's uh,
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you know, but it is.It's been bad, but it's not We're
on what are we six capitural southIt is like sixteen miles from the coast.
In Mariana is like forty five minutesfrom the coast. And they got
one hundred fift miin our winds andJackson County up there. So if we
ever get a hurricane that truly justplows right up to Saint Mark's River,
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we had a problem. Yeah,no doubt about a tree community. I
put it this way. We'll seeafter that. Well, well, it's
trees and tornado or hurricane force windsdon't dance well together. One of these
days, if that did happen,you'd see a lot of utilities starting to
go on the ground here. Can'tdo it now. Back with Charlie Strickland
of the Talent Training Group before weget to some of our personal defense topics
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here, I just got to askyou. There was a Florida man story,
I don't know if you caught iton your way in here, of
an officer charging a guy he wastrespassing and he had arrested him because he
wasn't obeying the order of staying offthis property. But he got hit with
a cheeseburger and went to his legand he wrote him up for felony assault.
(05:28):
Have you never done anything like that? A cravated battery on law enforcement
officer? If you batter a lawenforcement officer, it is automatically a felony
because they are law enforcement officer.Now, I don't think I would charge
someone with the fel Well, ifyou charge him with the battery, it's
going to be the felony. It'snever going to make it to court.
They're going to pull it down immediately, especially in that case, I doubt.
But what's the closest thing to awrite up of somebody throwing a cheeseburger
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and hitting you that you came across? Remember the wide right ear when Miami
beat us, which time one ofthe one of the ones here in town
or in town. I was atwo year FSU police officer and number seventy
nine. Mark Caesar was a defensiveend for the Miami Hurricanes. Right before
(06:15):
the field gold attempt, he wasone that disrupted the option when we were
trying to score a touchdown. FSshe was and he was one that interrupted
that play. Okay, prior tohalftime. Uh, there were FSU fans.
We were down on the sidelines andbefore when the chain link fence was
down there it was it wasn't Therewas nothing between the ball players and the
and the fans except just a littlefence. And uh, one of them
(06:41):
Mark. Caesar was sitting there withthe defensive line, and he took a
cup of ice and he looked overhis shoulder and he threw the cup of
ice up into the stands and ithit me, and so not like you
remember it or anything, it hitme, and I went I went over
and I and I looked and Iwas trying to figure out which one it
was, and I was going seventynine Caesar Caesar, and I went over
(07:02):
there and I tapped him on theshoulder. That's what I wrote it up.
I tapped him on the show.I got his attention by touching him
on the shoulder. It's more ofa you know, hey, And he
spun around and shoved me. It'slike, get off me, and so
I uh. And then the wholedefensive line stood up in my face.
(07:25):
And he was the smallest of them. But I don't know how many he
was gonna use, but I knewhow many he brought to the fight.
And I know how that goes onthe sidelines and laws are sort of suspended
and athletic events sometimes, but technicallyit should have been a handcuffed right there
in the middle of the game.But I actually was not that stupid.
So I said, all right,I'll be back with you in a minute.
(07:45):
And so I called up my chainof command all right, said hey,
this person battered me football player andthey're like, ah, yeah,
whatever, and I said, no, seriously. One thing that came down
and talked to me and says,yeah, you're not gonna you can't charge
him. I'm like, what doyou mean you you We're not going to
do that, and I said,So I went back over and standing there
by the fans, and they're alllike, well, what about us?
We got hit with ice too?I said, oh you did? Really?
(08:09):
Yes, would you fill out asworn alf of David saying that you
were the victim of battery? Andthey did? And I only had,
like, I can only find fivesworn half of David. There's like forty
people saying they got hit with sixpieces of ice. I don't know how
that must have glanced around, andso they I got some sworn alf of
David's and I wanted to go.I said, what do you go do?
So we're gonna arrest him? Andmy chaining command was like no,
(08:31):
now, we we'll we'll we'll we'llgo in, We'll go see him talk
to because they go in, theytalk to him that he's gonna come out
and apologize, and I want I'mnot willing to accept that, but you
can't ask those fans and all wewant him charged. He got charged with
five counts of battery against the fans, but not the felony against me.
(08:52):
Had they let me do what Iwanted to do, which was arrest him
at halftime, that would have beensomething he wouldn't have been in the game,
would not have interrupted that option,and then we may not have had
to kick that missed field goal.We may have won. That would have
sent us to a national championship.So if somebody would just listen to me
every once in a while, we'dhave another national title. See I knew,
(09:15):
I knew what was going to happen, but they didn't want to listen
to me. Anyway, it madethe national news. I've got the articles.
Is awesome. I still have theletter of apology he had to sent
me as part of his plea agreement, and apparently English was not his one
of his courses he passed. Ican tell you that you don't say yeah.
(09:35):
So anyway, FLA at w FLAfam dot com on your phone with
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Personal Defense segment. Charlie Strickland ofthe talent training group Talentarrange dot com course
(10:00):
co host of Telling the Outdoors Youcan hear it weekends on Saturday at ten
am Eastern. Charlie, you sentme a story here, and as listeners
know, I look at stories andI believe that almost any one of these
things can offer us an opportunity tolearn something, and this particular story caught
your eye. I'm going to leavethe name of the loser out of it
(10:22):
that was in the middle of this, but the headline New Jersey marine arrested
after allegedly making threats to kill whitepeople, began planning mass shooting. What
stood out to you about this story, Well, it won it's a military
guy and he's not old enough tohave served in combat, so it's not
PTSD or anything like that. Thisis a young marine starting out. He
(10:48):
made threats, and it wasn't he'sa black guy making threats to kill white
people. Based on the fact thatit's a racial issue. He's basically lashing
out. But that's not what stoodout to me. What stood out was
in the article when I read it, was that. And he had been
posting on social media saying what hewas going to do for almost a year,
(11:11):
planning this, posting updates on howhe's going to do it, how
to smuggle guns in the New Jersey, how to do this, how to
do that, And then he wasin the military, went to training.
Nobody vetted this, I mean nobodylooked at this. Apparently this seems like
that would be enough to discipline somebodyor not let them in the military,
(11:31):
or give them the advanced firearms training. And all the military people get military
training they got so somebody dropped theball there, So let's train this person
who's spouting off about how dangerous theycan be. And then what really got
me was when he I'm looking inthere, and he had been scouting locations
and he had picked the location.He never said where it was. He
(11:54):
said, I've picked a location,I've scouted it, and I'm pretty sure
nobody has guns there. So hewent out, this is his mindset,
This is the mindset of a predator. He's going out and looking for places
that he knows is a soft targetwhere no one will fight back, no
one's going to present any sort ofresistance, and that's where he's going to
(12:16):
go. The fact that there areno guns there and we talk about,
oh, we don't want guns hereand we don't want guns there, well
us specifically, where that these peopleare planning to go to is where they
know they're not going to run intothese types of this situations. You notice
in states where we've armed people inthe schools, guardians, law enforcement,
(12:37):
we've mandated in Florida now we've mandatedbased on how many people are in the
school, how many law enforcement orguardian type people, armed people have to
be there in order for school togo on. Is it a ratio?
I think there is a base,maybe something to do with the funding.
I'm not that familiar with it.I know there was a discussion the other
day about this somewhere. But thefact is is that we've got armed people
(13:01):
in the schools now and you don'thear as much about school shootings in these
areas. When we have these peoplethere, it is definitely a deterrent.
My fear is that we will goa while without any and then they'll say,
well, we can back off thata little bit, and I don't
think that's a good idea. Butyou're always looking for places to cut the
law enforcements, cutting training, whichis the worst place to cut it you've
got but you know you don't wantto start cutting your armed security in these
(13:26):
places. So and there's no moveto do that here locally. But as
some of the state funding expires intime, people are going to have to
start looking at their own pockets tofund some of this. I'm afraid down
the road, and you know it'scertainly worth spending the money. So in
this case, I mean that guyactually went out and figured out where he
could go. He was late,and somebody was paying attention. But he's
(13:48):
posting from twenty twenty two to twentytwenty three, and he gets arrested in
twenty twenty four, making these threatsand planning this the whole time. And
you're telling me that nowhere along theway did anybody to go and look into
it and do anything. Until it'scrazy to think given the reality that today
most every employer that I know,one of their background checks is social media.
(14:11):
They go out and they look atsomeone's social media and see what they're
all about. Yeah, are wethat desperate in our armed services now?
Where we don't care? I don'tknow. You know, he could have
been doing it under an alias onsocial media and maybe they finally connected the
dots or something. Maybe that Idon't know. I don't know enough about
that case, but I can tellyou that when I'm hiring, and you
(14:35):
know, I have an armed securitycompany, When I hire somebody, I
go look at their social media andI watch what they say. You know,
if they say something that makes thecompany look bad or indicates some lack
of balance and they're not working forme, you know, they go,
then go do that somewhere else.Sure, because you know, you have
to vet your own people. Butwhat you say matters because social media is
(14:58):
a place in this day and age. People don't realize it, but they're
they're showing their soul to the worldon social media. The stuff you post
online, that's who you really are. I mean, you wouldn't do that
in public. You wouldn't say thethings in public that you would say on
social media. People can say itand they don't feel like there are any
consequences to that. Now we knowthat there are We know that what we
(15:18):
say the world sees and they seeright through us to who we really are.
But that you know, that's he'stalking about a year and a half,
two years he's wanting to go dothis stuff, and nobody did anything
that whole see something, say somethingdeal. Sounds kind of corny, man,
Somebody, if you see that,you've got to let somebody know.
(15:39):
I mean, that's yeah, that'swhat happened. If he had it going
out, shot up a place andkilled a bunch of people and everybody said,
oh, he's a nice guy,I never would have realized it.
Oh except for all these social mediaposts I've been seeing for two years.
I suppose if you're a private businessowner, one of the lessons in all
of this is they still target gunfor his own So if you're one of
those, don't promote it. That'sfor sure. Twenty eight past the hour,
(16:03):
thirty six minutes past it is Wednesday. In the morning show, Charlie
Strickland of the Talent Training Group withMe Personal Defense talk about some of the
stories of the news. Another storythat you flagg is and it has been
in the news is the body cameraNow is out showing the shooting of a
airman by a Florida deputy in anapartment doorway Fort Walton Beach. What stood
(16:26):
out to you, Well, obviously, this is a tragedy for the family
of the deceased, for the deceased, his girlfriend, and the deputy involved
in the Sharf's office over there,and the community. I mean, there's
nothing good about this. There's nothinggood about this. There's not a silver
lining in this at all. Sowhat wrong did anybody? Well? Based
(16:52):
on which we know, understand,I'm extremely law enforcement friendly, of course,
law enforce I'm still a cop.I'm a law enforcement trainer, have
been most all of my career.I think the deputy messed up in a
big way. I think he waswrong, But I still don't know all
the details, so I'm withholding somejudgment on this, But based on all
of the scenarios that I've been throughand all of the real life experience that
(17:15):
I have, I think that hehe reacted poorly. Because for a lot
of people don't know this story.Okay, So, the Sheriff's office in
Oaklus County responds to a complaint ofa disturbance of some sort at an address.
There's some people say the guy wentto the wrong address and the sheriff'sf
(17:37):
The sheriff is maintaining he did notgo to the wrong address, but the
information given to the sheriff's office sometimesthey call in the dispatch and that there's
a disturbance. It's in an apartment, an apartment complex where you've got multiple
rooms and multiple doors and multiple floorsand all this kind of stuff, And
so you know, a lot oftimes the information that we get is wrong.
But the deputy is responding to thelocation that he was sent to based
(17:59):
on some sort of a disturbance there, and we don't know what that And
so without knowing all that information,in the frame of mind he was in,
but there's a difference between their shotsfired an apartment too and a woman
screaming for help, and whether somebodyarguing an apartment too or somewhere on the
second floor. I mean, there'sa lot of different things you could have
going into that. So until weknow what that call was, it's kind
(18:23):
of hard to judge. But atthe same time, no matter how what
kind of information you have, andthe fact that there weren't three or four
officers there means that it probably wasn'tshots fired. It was probably an argument
and a routine deal. The deputygoes up to an apartment door and this
is on body camera, and heknocks on the door. Boom boom boom,
(18:45):
backs up a couple steps, pauses, knocks on the door, Shriff's
office, open the door, somethinglike that, Shriff's office. He announces,
and then he switches sides of thedoor, stays out of the peep
hole where you can't see who itis, which is a lotlaw enforcements officer
safety issue. We don't stand infront of the door. Absolutely. He
knocks on it again. Somebody comesto the door. It's a twenty three
(19:10):
year old black kid, an airman, military guy, reputable kid. You
know, he appears to be cleancut. He's a military guy. He
works at Hurbert Field and the SpecialOperations Divisions at the Air Force. You
know there's a lot of military inthis area. The kid opens the door
and we then split seconds to deputy. The deputy says step back, and
(19:33):
then boom boom, boom, boomboom. Kid gets shot six times.
Now in the video you see thekid answers the door with a gun in
his right hand, but it's downby his leg, and the deputy didn't
see that. Based on my readingof his body language and his voice,
he didn't see it initially, butwhen he did see it, the gun
was never brought up, was neverpresented to the deputy, never pointed at
(19:56):
him. I didn't see any furtivemovements or any threatening behavior on behalf of
the kid. The deputy saw agun and shot him. Welcome to m
a D Radio Network. It's theMorning Show with Preston Scott. Forty one
minutes past Charlie Strickland with me.We're talking about a shooting of an airman
(20:18):
in Okalusa County for Fort Walton Beacharea, and we're gonna pause right there,
and I'm gonna ask the question atthat moment the interaction between the young
man and the airman and the sheriff'sdeputy. The airman legally had every right
(20:38):
to have a firearm in his handinside his home, So you got to
look at it from the airman's perspective. Okay, So he's in there,
he's on FaceTime with his girlfriend.She saw all of this happen, she
heard it. She was still onthe phone. So there's a witness outside
of the body camera footage now,so he's in there. We don't know
if he heard the deputy say Sheriff'soffice or shriff's that anything. He could
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he could have had it turned up. He could have been in the back
room and just hurt thump, thump, thump on the top of it in
front of the room. I don'tknow that kind of neighborhood they live in.
But you have every right to answeryour door anytime you want to and
your private residence with a gun inyour hand. Don't point it at anybody.
That's aggravated assault, of course,But to have a gun in your
hand is perfectly legal, justifiable,and reasonable depending on the circumstances if you
(21:27):
don't know who's at your door.I mean JD and I were talking about
this on our show. We answerthe door with a gun in our hand.
If if you knock on my door, I'm either gonna I'm either gonna
put my gun in my hoster onso I have access to it, or
it's going to be in my hand. That's normal. That's normal for law
abiding people to do that. Imean, you know, maybe not normal
for everybody, but yeah, ithappens, and it's lawful and it's and
(21:49):
it's perfectly legal and reasonable. Andso just because I have a gun in
my hand doesn't mean that you canshoot me. Now if I point the
gun at you, that's a difference, store Absolutely it is. So from
the kid's perspective, he's going tothe door to an unknown somebody thumping on
the door pretty assertively, okay,and he wants to know who it is.
(22:14):
He doesn't show the gun. Hejust holds it down behind his thigh
and he's got his body bladed.But when the deputy said stepped back and
he moved, the gun became exposed, but it was still down in a
non threatening manner, down by hisleg. And the deputy didn't didn't take
a step to cover, to usethe doorjam as cover, point the gun
at him and go drop the gun, drop the gun or anything like that.
(22:34):
He just went bam bam, bam, bam bam bam. So the
deputy did not have his gun drawnfrom his holster until he saw the fire.
I saw the gun, drew thepistol, and the kid put his
left hand up like palm out likewait, you know, he put his
hand up like hey, and heldhis hand up and he had the other
one down by his leg, andthere was no time for him to react
(22:59):
or just up out of the wayor drop the gun. I mean,
it happens so fast. You know, he opened the door and saw a
uniform. He was surprised, itseems from what I can tell, So
there is virtually no verbal exchange.Zero. He said step back, you
know, when he opened the door, he goes step back because the deputy's
responding. Now from the deputy's perspective, he goes there and say there's a
disturbance going on. The guy opensthe door. After several times him knocking,
(23:23):
the guy comes to the door,opens the door, and he goes
step back so he can see what'sgoing on in the apartment, which he
has no authority to tell the manto step back in his own apartment unless
there's some life in danger, andhe doesn't have I don't know that he
had that information. So he saysstep back, and that's when he saw
the gun and engaged. There wasthere was zebra. And here's where the
(23:45):
issue comes into play. Was adeputy justified I don't think so. I
think he's in a world of trouble. I think the agency's fixing the payout
as much as they can legally,and then the legislature's going to have to
fund some you know, approve somesome more funding. This is going to
be Ben Crump involved in it andall this stuff. It's going to be
a big deal. I think oneof the biggest things is going to go
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back to law enforcement training. They'regonna pull his training records and you say,
how much situational based training, howmuch reality based training, how much
forceal enforce training, Because that's theonly way to solve this problem is to
put your people through that type oftraining, because that's how you can train
your way out of this. Butyou can't policy your way out of this.
You sue your way out of it. And there are so many lessons
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on this one, not just forlaw enforcement, but lessons for everybody about
the importance of situational training. Well, and don't think it couldn't happen.
It's your house or my house tomorrow, somebody law enforcement's going to go to
the house to knock on the doorand ask questions. If there's something going
on in the neighborhood. They're goingto they might go to the wrong house.
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It happens all the time. Soand you might answer the door,
would have gun in your hand,and then that could be you or me,
And so we all have a vestedinterested in this. So when training
is not funded very well, we'vegot to do something statewide, especially in
smaller agencies, to start making adifference. Thanks for the time, Charlie
Strickland with US Talent Training Group.Remember talentrange dot com. Get your training
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there and head out to the rangedo some training yourself. Forty seven past the hour
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