August 22, 2024 • 16 mins
Our resident historian, Dr. Ed Moore, offers a jump in the wayback machine to consider the long history of political conventions and some oddities in America's electoral past.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Good morning and welcome ruminators, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,
males and females only. It's the Morning Show with Preston Scott.
That's Jose Can you see I'm Preston and joining me
in studio is our resident historian. He is doctor ed
Moore a little more history. Hello, good friend, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm good? Yeah, happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Every day is a.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
New day, you and I are. We're in that era
and stage of life where you know, I just explain
to people, if I wake up, sit up, and stand up,
it's a good day.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah. I hear the birds chirping, and it's like, okay,
I'm here another day. I'm here.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
You know. We've got, obviously in the rearview mirror, the
Republican National Convention, which I thought was one of the
best they've rolled out in a very long time. We've
got the Democrat National Convention disclosure I can't bring myself
to watch yet. But the subject of political conventions and
this thing that happens every four years, where does it
(01:11):
get its roots?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well, it really doesn't have roots. It's you know, you're
familiar with the Bible, Ecclesiastes. What has been will be again,
and what has been done will be done again. There
is nothing new under the sun. Right, Okay, Political parties
and conventions in America have been a mess since John Adams. Basically,
(01:36):
if you want to go back that far, George Washington
won two elections relatively unopposed. There were no parties. He
was just an independent guy, pushed by congressman, pushed by
people in the back room. John Adams took second place
in both of those. So under the old rules, John
Adams was the vice president.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Whoever came in second.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
If I said, yeah, it's kind of funny if you
go back to seventeen ninety two, which was the second election,
George Clinton. I always get a laugh out of his
name because George Clinton locally here parliament funkadelic. Yeah, came
in third. Yeah, he got fifty electoral voting, no way, Yeah, yeah,
(02:24):
it's kind of So that's why I loved reading all
this history stuff, because you find these little quirky things
and go, hey, George Clinton, that's a cool name.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well let me And obviously we might be guessing at
some of this, but maybe history tells us was George
Washington the go to for the simple reason he was
the military leader, and that's kind of been a default
of history.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, he was the most well known, nationally respected person,
if you will. I mean there were a lot of
other people all around. Ben Franklin, Samuel.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Adams, Sure, I meant.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I mean Samuel Adams did more than have a beer
named after him. You know. Yeah, there are all kinds
of people around, but he was the guy, and we
haven't had any of those the guy really since then.
And part of it is we've started. I guess what's
not new is where we have now, where we're just
so divided, and the divisions really started back in the
(03:25):
eighteen hundreds. The election of eighteen hundred was very difficult one.
It's it's been here partisan. Actually, politics used to be
a lot nastier. I mean it was very nasty. You
had conventions, forget which one it was. There's one in
New York, a convention in New York that won one
(03:47):
hundred and three ballots before they determined who would be
the presidential nominee and with the audience throwing things and
spitting on the delegates and delegates I think one hundred
delegates from that convention went home. You know, it's politics
have always been a messy sport. The nest didn't start
in nineteen sixty eight in Chicago. It's been here.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Conventions were then a necessary part of the electoral process,
or what was the purpose of them?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Actually, the first convention was started eighteen thirty one. I
think the party was the Anti Masonic Party. Let mean
that was the party, fair enough, Yeah, And it started
up in the Northeast and they were concerned about Masons
and Freemasons and the influence on bart politics. And they
(04:42):
had it and then the Democrats went, h that's not
a bad idea. So later that year they had a convention.
But the conventions were back room. Everything's going to happen
in the back room, and you know, maybe eight people
determined who the nominee was really going to be. So politics,
politics has always been ugly.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
The Morning Show with Preston Scott doctor edmore with me
in studio. We're talking history and appropriately electoral history. As
we've gone through primary will I will not goad you
(05:22):
into commenting on twenty two percent voter turnout statewide because
that's just as.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, they up that it's actually yesterday was in nineteen percent.
We choose poorly and we do it badly. I mean,
that's all I can say on that.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
But if we were just talking broadly speaking, elections throughout
our country's history have been remarkably balanced and appropriate outcomes.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, the elector college works, even though people about it.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
How they arrive at it, they just because they made
it up.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Right, Yeah, because there really wasn't the voters back in
those days. I mean if you read it, and I
was involved in the two thousand election here in Florida,
and when people suddenly realized it was like a light
went off. Oh wait, you mean state legislators they can
do whatever they want and selecting who gets picked to
go to the electoral College you don't have to do.
(06:26):
I mean, the law is written and the way it
is in the Constitution. You don't have to take the
popular vote from each state and determine who's going to
be president of the United States. The legislature makes that determination.
There's thirteen states, maybe out of fifty, that require them
that they're bound. I'm not quite sure what the penalty
(06:48):
might be. Maybe a slap on the wrist. Og if
you vote for President Scott instead of Ed Moore, you know,
oh boy, you're going to get in trouble now. And
but they do. And traditionally they do send delegates or
electors electoral votes in each state capital. They don't go
(07:09):
I'll go to Washington and vote. Okay, they do it
in the state capitals.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
But we're drilling down to add something. And it's and
you know, you listen to the show from time to time,
your schedule allows. It's a point that I'm pretty passionate about.
We're not a democracy. We're constitutional republican republic, absolutely, and
that's a pretty important distinction. It's not popular vote.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Well, it is popular vote down at the base level, right,
you know, but when you start moving up, it's a
structural vote. It's very organized and very structured. There have
been four elections eighteen seventy six, eighteen eighty eight, two thousand,
and two thousand and sixteen where the losing candidate got
(07:55):
more votes than who ended up becoming President of the
United States. Only four out of all of these elections.
That's quite remarkable. Actually, most of them were relatively close.
Hayes be Tillden by two hundred and fifty thousand votes.
Back in eighteen seventy six, Harrison beat Cleveland, who was
(08:16):
the incumbent president at the time, by about one hundred
thousand votes nationwide. Bush beat Gore, actually me, excuse me.
Gore beat Bush by five hundred and forty thousand votes,
yet he lost in the electoral college. And then Clinton
had just a little less than three million votes more
(08:40):
than Donald Trump did, but she lost in the electoral college.
I mean, it's happened four times, not that often. There's
been some remarkable elections. But you know, we're in the
middle of a convention right now. You finished the Republican convention,
now in the middle of the Democrat convention, and people, well,
look it's it's a coup. You're seeing a coup occurred here.
(09:02):
When you know coup's there's much ado about a coup.
There's been way more adventurous things happened in political parties
over two hundred years of our country than what just.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Happened twenty one past the hour. You think we've done
this once or twice? How many years has it.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Been now we're approaching twenty so probably yeah, but I'm
not sure where.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, you'd think we knew what we were doing. He
kind of set us up, brilliantly doctor edmore with us
we're talking about the electoral process. Elections conventions in American history,
a couple of notable you know, you think it's bad now,
but you should have been.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
We should have been there.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah. Actually the very first real one the Anti Masonic
Party where they were around for about a decade and
they went away. But the Democrats under Andrew Jackson. Andrew
Jackson had my distant cousin, John C. Calhoun as his
vice president and wanted to get rid of him. So
he said, I'll do what those guys did. Let's have
(10:05):
a convention. They had a convention, dumped Calhoun as the VP,
and Martin Van Buren, who then became president, became the
vice president under Andrew Jackson.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
A little machination, now, was there a little skullduggery going
on and dumping his VP? Or I mean, because you
could just drag him out in the back and shoot him.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Well, and a lot of it is if you an
in rejection was known for that.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
But John C. Calhoun, if you know anything about him,
I don't. He was a pretty bad dude.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah, he's a relative of yours. Of course.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
He was from South South Carolina. He was one of
the first big secessionists, and if you go through all
of that time frame really up into the twentieth century,
a lot of it had to do with the racial
politics and the Civil War related kinds of stuff there.
I mean, there are a lot of elections. If you
(10:55):
look at the maps, the election maps that shows who
won which states, right where there would be like seven
or eight southern states went to this guy and the
rest of the country went the other way. I mean,
it wasn't just George Wallace. This stuff had been going
on for two hundred years, right r. I mean, Wallace
won with five or seven states across the South in
(11:17):
that election and the Nixon election. So there's always been
that kind of tension going on across America. The South
has changed tremendously in the last fifty years.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, that has.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
But prior to that, it was what it was, and
it affected a lot of the elections, start starting say
with the eighteen sixty election right on the eve of
the Civil War. I mean, you were right there the.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Democratic He doesn't mean me personally, by the way as
he looks at me, just saying yeah, yeah, no, no,
that's Joe Biden. That was there, But go ahead.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Well, the Democrats of all places had decided they were
going to have their convention in eighteen sixty. Guess where
in Charleston, South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
No, he did.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, so you got all this tension going on, you
know the places. The whole country is about to get
lit and hey, I know, let's have a big party
in Charleston. Yeah. So the Southern delegates in Charleston, the
Southern delegates walked out. They said, heck with this, We're
going to nominate our own guy. So you ended up
(12:26):
in eighteen sixty. It's how Lincoln actually won because you
had They nominated Breckenridge from Kentucky, who was the VP
under Van Buren. I mean, everybody's related to somebody and
all this stuff. The Northern Democrats picked Stephen Douglas out
of Illinois. Abraham Lincoln was out of Illinois. And then
(12:49):
there was a guy named Bell that was from Tennessee.
I believe interesting when you look at the data from
all these things and what was going on in America.
Stephen Douglass, popular guy, did well across He had the
second most votes in that election. He only got one
electoral vote Missouri, he only got one. But even though
(13:12):
he came in second in the numbers. I mean, that's
where all this tricky stuff starts coming in. Breckenridge got
the second most. Lincoln won eighteen states. Breckenridge won eleven states,
predominantly across the South, and then Bell won three states Kentucky, Tennessee,
and I think West Virginia, Virginia. But here you got
(13:34):
Stephen Douglas, who we know today if you study any
history at all, the Lincoln Douglas debates got the second
most amount of votes and only got one electoral vote.
And that election that was so contentious, Lincoln ended up
winning the Democrats. If you're looking at In nineteen twenty four,
(13:55):
West Virginia congressman named John Davis won the nomination krat
nomination on the one hundred and third ballot. He was
the one I was referring to earlier one hundred and
three ballots.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I can't even imagine.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
New York City, yeah, one hundred and third. I mean, imagine, okay,
we're going to start over. Imagine the guy up front going,
oh okay, well, let's do it again.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
The guy taking role is just like, oh god, please.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
It's someone shooting it. You know. He ended up running
against New York Governor Al Smith, who was a anti prohibitionist.
This was, you know, nineteen twenty four, so we were
in the middle one of those times where we passed
the constitutional Amendment and then unpassed it because you know,
you take away drinking, it's just not going to work,
(14:43):
especially in politics. Uh. And then the third guy was
a guy named William McAdoo, who was a candidate really
of the KKK. I mean it's these you know, when
you start talking about pastors.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
And we're not talking about a Democrat necessarily.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah he was, Oh really, yeah, no way, yeah, oh yeah.
But this is the kind of elections that you have. Well,
guess who won that election. Every time there's been a
contentious convention, Okay, whether it's primary driven or whatever, every
time the contentious party loses in the general election. Every
(15:20):
time Calvin Coolidge won that election, you had all that's
going on, one hundred and three ballots, all this crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Stuff, underrated president.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, well keeping cool with cal You just kind of went,
that's where they keeping cool comes from. Look at those
crazy people. They can't figure out what they're doing. I
know what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Nice stuff. Good to see it.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Good to be here. We've got about eight more to
talk about, but not today.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
We can keep talking about this next month because I
think we have another election coming up.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
We do doctor, It'll be messy.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, will doctor ed Moore with me and a little
more history on the Morning Show with Preston Scott.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah.
Good morning and welcome ruminators, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,
males and females only. It's the Morning Show with Preston Scott.
That's Jose Can you see I'm Preston and joining me
in studio is our resident historian. He is doctor ed
Moore a little more history. Hello, good friend, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm good? Yeah, happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Every day is a.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
New day, you and I are. We're in that era
and stage of life where you know, I just explain
to people, if I wake up, sit up, and stand up,
it's a good day.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah. I hear the birds chirping, and it's like, okay,
I'm here another day. I'm here.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
You know. We've got, obviously in the rearview mirror, the
Republican National Convention, which I thought was one of the
best they've rolled out in a very long time. We've
got the Democrat National Convention disclosure I can't bring myself
to watch yet. But the subject of political conventions and
this thing that happens every four years, where does it
(01:11):
get its roots?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well, it really doesn't have roots. It's you know, you're
familiar with the Bible, Ecclesiastes. What has been will be again,
and what has been done will be done again. There
is nothing new under the sun. Right, Okay, Political parties
and conventions in America have been a mess since John Adams. Basically,
(01:36):
if you want to go back that far, George Washington
won two elections relatively unopposed. There were no parties. He
was just an independent guy, pushed by congressman, pushed by
people in the back room. John Adams took second place
in both of those. So under the old rules, John
Adams was the vice president.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Whoever came in second.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
If I said, yeah, it's kind of funny if you
go back to seventeen ninety two, which was the second election,
George Clinton. I always get a laugh out of his
name because George Clinton locally here parliament funkadelic. Yeah, came
in third. Yeah, he got fifty electoral voting, no way, Yeah, yeah,
(02:24):
it's kind of So that's why I loved reading all
this history stuff, because you find these little quirky things
and go, hey, George Clinton, that's a cool name.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well let me And obviously we might be guessing at
some of this, but maybe history tells us was George
Washington the go to for the simple reason he was
the military leader, and that's kind of been a default
of history.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, he was the most well known, nationally respected person,
if you will. I mean there were a lot of
other people all around. Ben Franklin, Samuel.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Adams, Sure, I meant.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I mean Samuel Adams did more than have a beer
named after him. You know. Yeah, there are all kinds
of people around, but he was the guy, and we
haven't had any of those the guy really since then.
And part of it is we've started. I guess what's
not new is where we have now, where we're just
so divided, and the divisions really started back in the
(03:25):
eighteen hundreds. The election of eighteen hundred was very difficult one.
It's it's been here partisan. Actually, politics used to be
a lot nastier. I mean it was very nasty. You
had conventions, forget which one it was. There's one in
New York, a convention in New York that won one
(03:47):
hundred and three ballots before they determined who would be
the presidential nominee and with the audience throwing things and
spitting on the delegates and delegates I think one hundred
delegates from that convention went home. You know, it's politics
have always been a messy sport. The nest didn't start
in nineteen sixty eight in Chicago. It's been here.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Conventions were then a necessary part of the electoral process,
or what was the purpose of them?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Actually, the first convention was started eighteen thirty one. I
think the party was the Anti Masonic Party. Let mean
that was the party, fair enough, Yeah, And it started
up in the Northeast and they were concerned about Masons
and Freemasons and the influence on bart politics. And they
(04:42):
had it and then the Democrats went, h that's not
a bad idea. So later that year they had a convention.
But the conventions were back room. Everything's going to happen
in the back room, and you know, maybe eight people
determined who the nominee was really going to be. So politics,
politics has always been ugly.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
The Morning Show with Preston Scott doctor edmore with me
in studio. We're talking history and appropriately electoral history. As
we've gone through primary will I will not goad you
(05:22):
into commenting on twenty two percent voter turnout statewide because
that's just as.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, they up that it's actually yesterday was in nineteen percent.
We choose poorly and we do it badly. I mean,
that's all I can say on that.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
But if we were just talking broadly speaking, elections throughout
our country's history have been remarkably balanced and appropriate outcomes.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, the elector college works, even though people about it.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
How they arrive at it, they just because they made
it up.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Right, Yeah, because there really wasn't the voters back in
those days. I mean if you read it, and I
was involved in the two thousand election here in Florida,
and when people suddenly realized it was like a light
went off. Oh wait, you mean state legislators they can
do whatever they want and selecting who gets picked to
go to the electoral College you don't have to do.
(06:26):
I mean, the law is written and the way it
is in the Constitution. You don't have to take the
popular vote from each state and determine who's going to
be president of the United States. The legislature makes that determination.
There's thirteen states, maybe out of fifty, that require them
that they're bound. I'm not quite sure what the penalty
(06:48):
might be. Maybe a slap on the wrist. Og if
you vote for President Scott instead of Ed Moore, you know,
oh boy, you're going to get in trouble now. And
but they do. And traditionally they do send delegates or
electors electoral votes in each state capital. They don't go
(07:09):
I'll go to Washington and vote. Okay, they do it
in the state capitals.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
But we're drilling down to add something. And it's and
you know, you listen to the show from time to time,
your schedule allows. It's a point that I'm pretty passionate about.
We're not a democracy. We're constitutional republican republic, absolutely, and
that's a pretty important distinction. It's not popular vote.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Well, it is popular vote down at the base level, right,
you know, but when you start moving up, it's a
structural vote. It's very organized and very structured. There have
been four elections eighteen seventy six, eighteen eighty eight, two thousand,
and two thousand and sixteen where the losing candidate got
(07:55):
more votes than who ended up becoming President of the
United States. Only four out of all of these elections.
That's quite remarkable. Actually, most of them were relatively close.
Hayes be Tillden by two hundred and fifty thousand votes.
Back in eighteen seventy six, Harrison beat Cleveland, who was
(08:16):
the incumbent president at the time, by about one hundred
thousand votes nationwide. Bush beat Gore, actually me, excuse me.
Gore beat Bush by five hundred and forty thousand votes,
yet he lost in the electoral college. And then Clinton
had just a little less than three million votes more
(08:40):
than Donald Trump did, but she lost in the electoral college.
I mean, it's happened four times, not that often. There's
been some remarkable elections. But you know, we're in the
middle of a convention right now. You finished the Republican convention,
now in the middle of the Democrat convention, and people, well,
look it's it's a coup. You're seeing a coup occurred here.
(09:02):
When you know coup's there's much ado about a coup.
There's been way more adventurous things happened in political parties
over two hundred years of our country than what just.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Happened twenty one past the hour. You think we've done
this once or twice? How many years has it.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Been now we're approaching twenty so probably yeah, but I'm
not sure where.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, you'd think we knew what we were doing. He
kind of set us up, brilliantly doctor edmore with us
we're talking about the electoral process. Elections conventions in American history,
a couple of notable you know, you think it's bad now,
but you should have been.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
We should have been there.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah. Actually the very first real one the Anti Masonic
Party where they were around for about a decade and
they went away. But the Democrats under Andrew Jackson. Andrew
Jackson had my distant cousin, John C. Calhoun as his
vice president and wanted to get rid of him. So
he said, I'll do what those guys did. Let's have
(10:05):
a convention. They had a convention, dumped Calhoun as the VP,
and Martin Van Buren, who then became president, became the
vice president under Andrew Jackson.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
A little machination, now, was there a little skullduggery going
on and dumping his VP? Or I mean, because you
could just drag him out in the back and shoot him.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Well, and a lot of it is if you an
in rejection was known for that.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
But John C. Calhoun, if you know anything about him,
I don't. He was a pretty bad dude.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah, he's a relative of yours. Of course.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
He was from South South Carolina. He was one of
the first big secessionists, and if you go through all
of that time frame really up into the twentieth century,
a lot of it had to do with the racial
politics and the Civil War related kinds of stuff there.
I mean, there are a lot of elections. If you
(10:55):
look at the maps, the election maps that shows who
won which states, right where there would be like seven
or eight southern states went to this guy and the
rest of the country went the other way. I mean,
it wasn't just George Wallace. This stuff had been going
on for two hundred years, right r. I mean, Wallace
won with five or seven states across the South in
(11:17):
that election and the Nixon election. So there's always been
that kind of tension going on across America. The South
has changed tremendously in the last fifty years.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, that has.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
But prior to that, it was what it was, and
it affected a lot of the elections, start starting say
with the eighteen sixty election right on the eve of
the Civil War. I mean, you were right there the.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Democratic He doesn't mean me personally, by the way as
he looks at me, just saying yeah, yeah, no, no,
that's Joe Biden. That was there, But go ahead.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Well, the Democrats of all places had decided they were
going to have their convention in eighteen sixty. Guess where
in Charleston, South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
No, he did.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, so you got all this tension going on, you
know the places. The whole country is about to get
lit and hey, I know, let's have a big party
in Charleston. Yeah. So the Southern delegates in Charleston, the
Southern delegates walked out. They said, heck with this, We're
going to nominate our own guy. So you ended up
(12:26):
in eighteen sixty. It's how Lincoln actually won because you
had They nominated Breckenridge from Kentucky, who was the VP
under Van Buren. I mean, everybody's related to somebody and
all this stuff. The Northern Democrats picked Stephen Douglas out
of Illinois. Abraham Lincoln was out of Illinois. And then
(12:49):
there was a guy named Bell that was from Tennessee.
I believe interesting when you look at the data from
all these things and what was going on in America.
Stephen Douglass, popular guy, did well across He had the
second most votes in that election. He only got one
electoral vote Missouri, he only got one. But even though
(13:12):
he came in second in the numbers. I mean, that's
where all this tricky stuff starts coming in. Breckenridge got
the second most. Lincoln won eighteen states. Breckenridge won eleven states,
predominantly across the South, and then Bell won three states Kentucky, Tennessee,
and I think West Virginia, Virginia. But here you got
(13:34):
Stephen Douglas, who we know today if you study any
history at all, the Lincoln Douglas debates got the second
most amount of votes and only got one electoral vote.
And that election that was so contentious, Lincoln ended up
winning the Democrats. If you're looking at In nineteen twenty four,
(13:55):
West Virginia congressman named John Davis won the nomination krat
nomination on the one hundred and third ballot. He was
the one I was referring to earlier one hundred and
three ballots.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I can't even imagine.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
New York City, yeah, one hundred and third. I mean, imagine, okay,
we're going to start over. Imagine the guy up front going,
oh okay, well, let's do it again.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
The guy taking role is just like, oh god, please.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
It's someone shooting it. You know. He ended up running
against New York Governor Al Smith, who was a anti prohibitionist.
This was, you know, nineteen twenty four, so we were
in the middle one of those times where we passed
the constitutional Amendment and then unpassed it because you know,
you take away drinking, it's just not going to work,
(14:43):
especially in politics. Uh. And then the third guy was
a guy named William McAdoo, who was a candidate really
of the KKK. I mean it's these you know, when
you start talking about pastors.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
And we're not talking about a Democrat necessarily.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah he was, Oh really, yeah, no way, yeah, oh yeah.
But this is the kind of elections that you have. Well,
guess who won that election. Every time there's been a
contentious convention, Okay, whether it's primary driven or whatever, every
time the contentious party loses in the general election. Every
(15:20):
time Calvin Coolidge won that election, you had all that's
going on, one hundred and three ballots, all this crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Stuff, underrated president.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, well keeping cool with cal You just kind of went,
that's where they keeping cool comes from. Look at those
crazy people. They can't figure out what they're doing. I
know what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Nice stuff. Good to see it.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Good to be here. We've got about eight more to
talk about, but not today.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
We can keep talking about this next month because I
think we have another election coming up.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
We do doctor, It'll be messy.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, will doctor ed Moore with me and a little
more history on the Morning Show with Preston Scott.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah.
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