March 27, 2025 • 25 mins
Considerations of purchasing a sidearm are discussed with Charlie Strickland, of the Talon Training Group.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Here we go, third and final hour, at least for today.
Here we are starting the twenty fourth year of The
Morning Show with Preston Scott, and of course we have
with us in studio Charlie Strickland.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Good morning, sir, How are you. I'm doing good.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
He is the co founder of the Talent Training Group
and of course co host of Talent Outdoors year twenty four.
Can you believe it? Yesterday was our twenty third anniversary
of this silly show. How did we stay on the
air this long?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
There's just enough of us out there because, sir, you
have a presence in an air about you that is
just astounding to most of us. We are honored to
be in your presence. Yeah, buddy, you're supposed to pay compliments, right.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I'm supposed to receive it. Thank you for there you go,
There you go.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Don't be self defecatingating.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I didn't know you knew about that.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
We all want to achieve that.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Hey, we've got a topic to cover here today, so
let me start with this, the decision that someone makes
to either carry concealed or not. You've been at this
a long time, not just from the law enforcement perspective,
and coming across different people, but now more so from
the training side of things, with the range and the
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training classes and all that. What do you think needs
to be the most important set of considerations for someone
on that.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Decision whether or not you are willing to use a
firearm and self defense. A lot of people they will
go get guns and they go, I don't know if
I could ever use it, then you probably ought not
have it. And the way you prepare yourself for that
is through situational training, through playing these things over and
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over in your mind, trying to get in your minds,
I you know, mental preparation. What set of circumstances would
I use a firearm to defend myself? And a lot
of people think, I'll I'm a big dude, I can fight,
I can do this, I can do that, or I'm
a martial artist, or I'm whatever, well, okay, whatever, But ultimately,
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what if that doesn't work, or what if you're not
as good as you think you are, which, you know,
we get, you know, as we get older, we kind
of get this old man's strength, and I think that
comes from just a life of pent up anger and uh,
but you know, what are you capable of doing?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
It.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
It's at this point in my life. Yeah, I'm a
bit overweight, and I'm fifty eight years old, and and
you know, parts of me, backs and joints and things
don't work like they used to. And if I got
in an actual knockdown, drag out fight with someone who
was my match or even less or so, I could
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do permanently injured. And do I really want to go
down that road? So I get away. I'll get away
from that type of situation. However, I'm not going to
back down if I'm defending someone else, my family or others.
So what am I going to do? So if you're
trying to make a decision, then make sure that you
know that line, or you know a class of lines
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that you might have to cross, and be willing to
cross it. If you're not willing to do that, then
you want to. You don't want to arm yourself because
you could and gun owners, you know, gun rights advocates.
I hate to hear this, but you may be arming
the other person. Some people don't need to carry a firearm.
Some people aren't capable of it. They're not capable of
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physically operating the firearm because they just are either too weak,
too old, not mechanically inclined enough. Even with all the
training in the world, you may reach a point where
you just go, this is not right for me. That's
a personal decision. We will do everything we can to
try you to that point. However, you know, sometimes you
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just get there. I know people like this. I've trained
people like this. At the end of the day, I go,
I'm gonna be honest with you, this is really not
the thing for you.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
You know, how often have you said that.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
In all well, I'll be honest, in thirty something years
of training, probably five or six times. It's just not
that often. And typically it's because a combination of age
and inability to grasp the concept involved in actually operating
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a firearm, and not a not a good grasp for
the gravity of what that thing can do. Some people
just halphazardly, you know, handle things, and they just don't
treat it with the respect that it's due. Those people
don't need to own guns now, you know, last resort,
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you've got one into locked up in the house and
somebody comes in. You know, maybe they can operate it
well enough, but they don't need to have it. They
don't need to be handling around their family. I mean
I run into those people. I say, you're more of
a danger to yourself and others with this thing than
then the likelihood that something might occur where you might
need it. I mean, you know, it's life's of gamble.
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I just tend to stack the deck in my favor.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Talonarrange dot com. You want to get some training, you
want to learn more about how to properly use a firearm,
That's where you go to get some great training. All right,
this might be the dumbest of all questions, but that's
what I get paid to do, is ask these types
of things.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
There's no such thing as a stupid weather.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Is I know where that's going. It's almost a chicken
in the egg question. What matters more the choice of
ammo that one decides to settle on or the gun.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
By far, the gun ammo is amo. It all pokes,
holds all the point self defense ammunition. Any one of
those rounds out there for the most most In most ways,
they're the same. I mean, there are bonded rounds, and
you know, there's all kinds of different things that you
can get holes of holes, a hole being able to
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find a firearm that you will actually carry, that's comfortable,
that's functional for you, that you can use, you can
use under stress, and not forget to flip some little
safety you can't hardly move with your fingernail because you've
got the wrong gun and the wrong safety set up.
I don't like safeties at all. External safeties are in
my mind, not a good idea unless you're in an
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old school nineteen eleven or something. But selecting the correct firearm,
one that has the capacity and the accuracy and the
comfort and the functionality and a comfortable enough grip to
where you will shoot it but still can carry it
is by far more important than what type or brand
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or style of ammunition. I mean, I like a halopoint ammunition.
But if you're carrying ball, you know, full metal jacket,
the one with no hole in the tip of it. Okay,
I mean it works, it's just not. I mean that's
what NATO cause makes you carry, you know, your worst
your NATO rounds or full metal jacket. That's what the
military carries, law enforcement carries Holow points because they're more effective.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Are there safe And obviously we're talking about the need
to defend yourself against a bad person in a bad situation.
But there are safety considerations for why hollow points are safer.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
In certain situation. Well, okay, so a higher velocity full
metal jacket round is more likely to overpenetrate either a
person and go through a person or a wall, because
you know, you think of a hollow point round as
kind of like a parachute when you fire it. When
it hits something fluid or even solid, then it's like
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opening a parachute that spreads open and it goes from
say a nine millimetersero point three five five inches that's
the caliber. Okay, so when it hits it opens up
to around sixty five or seventy caliber, so it's about
sixty something I think, And so when it opens up,
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it meets more resistance and that shock, that force slows
it down. And with a full metal jacket, it just
continues to poke the same size hole all the way through.
There's a temporary one cavity, permanent win caravity, all that stuff.
But the fact is is that you know ball ammunition,
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which we commonly call full metal jacket or total metal jacket,
it could overpenetrate. Something to think about, but you should
always be thinking about your target, backstopping beyond and where
you're shooting. But sometimes you don't have.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
That luxury small, medium and large.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah. First off, let me clarify something you said before
I got here. I was not speeding on the.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Way here too, I said he might be.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
And you're talking about me flipping out of badge and
get out of a speeding ticket.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
You're gonna get so indignant about this. Do you speed? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Okay, so why but but I keep it at a
at a level that I know I'm not going to
get a ticket.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Okay. I didn't know how far away you were when
you said on the way. I'm thinking you just left.
I know how long it takes to get it.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
And wants you to be concerned. I was already halfway
here when I sent that to you.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Oh okay, okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Just you know, because I know you start, you know,
you start teasing, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
But you know the you know, the thought that most
people have is nine miles per hour on the interstate
is safe? Is that true?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
That's about right? I don't, I don't, I don't think.
Do you think most of it has to be you'd
have to be a jerk to write a ticket for
for that, anything less than that, I mean, you'd have
to upset somebody to get it ticket underneath that.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
But for most, you know, county troopers, because you're generally
not dealing with city police. When it comes to the interstate,
it's FHP and a county trooper or a county deputy
is double digits, that magic number. You start paying more
attention at eighty plus.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah. I mean in my history as a former traffic
cop and you know, deputy sheriff, I wouldn't. I never
stopped anybody for less than ten over. Yeah, I mean
because I just you know, yes, I know how fast
they would going. A lot of times we're just watching
and we're making judgments. You know, obviously that person speeding,
but it's not there's no there's no number you have
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to meet. So you know, if you get stopped, don't
get all indignant because that might get you a ticket. Yeah,
and you know it's so you keep it under ten over. Now,
if you're in a twenty five, going thirty five is
not cool. So it's more of a percentage than it
is in there in it's up to the individual officers
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discretion and judgment based on the circumstances. They look at
a totality of circumstances. There's the kids, and you look
at a lot of different things. You get up on
the interstate. Troopers got better things to do to stop somebody.
If they were stopping everybody, it's going nine ten over,
they'd be stopping everybody exactly. And so, uh, which the
minute you said that, I saw three troopers. I'm listening
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to you, and then I'm like, okay, there's one when
somebody pulled over, there's another one off ramp, there's another
one there, and I'm like, setting me up. You have
setting back up?
Speaker 1 (11:33):
He said when he walked in here, you're gonna get
me a ticket next time?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah? Well, and you were like, well, what carries more weight?
Speaker 1 (11:39):
The badge.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Now, I'm not showing my badge to anybody. I still
don't have one. I'm not showing the badge. I I
just talked to you know. Let's see, I've been stopped
for speeding knock on wood once in the last ten years,
and that was in Marianna. It was a city officer.
And the minute I started talking, he went, wait a minute,
you you in law enforcement. I said, I have been
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known to be and he goes and I told him
who I was, just my name. I didn't tell him
and he was like telling out doors, I appreciate you.
I appreciate everything you do and all that I'm I
don't thank you, you know, so no I'm not. I
hated hated it, hated it, hated it. When somebody would
you know who I am?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Or well, yeah, now a professional through.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
My letting them know that I have guns out the
wazoo and the vehicle, sure, they tend to figure out
who I am. Yeah, and it's up to them at
that point in time if they want to do whatever
they want to do.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
What do you say, since we have two minutes left
in the segment, we use that as the springboard. Since
I have so many guns in the vehicle, let's get
back to guns for just a second.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Okay, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
We just got two minutes left in the segment.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Well, if you quit talking and asked the question, then
I'll start talking about it. Do you want to go
back to small medium of large guns? Right?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
What's the smallest acceptable self defense firearm?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
A three for a pocket guns? A little smithing with
some bodyguard to Ruger l CP two. I like the
newer versions because they have higher capacity. Something. Now, keep
in mind, these things have terrible sights, and they're hard
to hit anything past about five six yards away. But
they fit in a pocket or a purse or something small,
and they are competent in a three eighty caliber. Thirty
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two is not bad. But you don't see those anymore,
you know.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Now, how much does that factor in? Just and not
just that you don't see them, but just the availability
of ammunition.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yeah, that's a big deal. You can get three eighty,
it's more expensive. I like nine millimeter all the way around.
I like my big guns and nine. I like my
small guns in nine. If I can't carry it, it's
gonna be. If I carry it's gonna be a nine millimeter.
I may carry it at l CP two or something
once in a blue moon, once in a great while,
if I'm dressed up real nice, which never happens, but
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I honestly.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
And an LCP two is little three eighty ruger. They
also make it twenty two.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, but I don't care you twenty two for self
defense because you've got to shoot them in the eyeballer
in the ear too for it to be effective. You know,
unless you're anticipating on the bang scaring them off. If
someone is actively attacking you and they're motivated, particularly for
drug to twenty two to the torso is not going to.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Be Now, you've got to be above the neck, you know,
there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
And most people don't have the skill set or the
mindset either make that shot or do something that aggressive,
because that's not just shooting at someone that is shooting
in the face or the head is something that takes
a different level of being messed up for you to
do that. I mean, it's that's that's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Back and on time thirty five minutes past the hour,
Charlie Strickland with me from the Talent Training Group. We're
talking pistols and the different kinds of calibers and the
pros and cons. Let's talk the differences between a three
eighty and a nine millimeter pros and con What distinguishes
one from the other. Four an average person considering concealed carry.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Okay, first off, ballistically, three eighty is probably the smallest caliber.
It's the same caliber as a nine millimeter point three
point three eight, zero point three, five five and a
nine it's they're basically the same bullet, one is traveling,
one is a little lighter than the other. Typically, your
three eighties tend to be a little lighter weight than
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your nine millimeter bullets, and the nine millimeters traveling at
a higher velocity, So you've got a good bit more
energy in and a better terminal performance in the nine
milimeter than you would in at three eighty. However, three
eighty in ballistic gelatine tests shows that it's pretty competent.
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It doesn't penetrate as much as a nine millimeter, it's
not as good around as a nine millimeter. But JD
and I talked about this all the time. We're fairly
confident in three eighty to where I would put my
mother and my stepmom, and that's what they have. That's
what I bought them, was Smith and Whists an easy
three eighty something that's lighter recoiling. Now, the felt recoil
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is not drastically less than a nine milli later, but
the three eighties do come in a little bit smaller
package because they don't have to have as much weight
in the slide. They don't have to have this stuff
of recoil spring guides things like that can be a
little eaite. That's sort of pistols in certain medium sized
pistols can be easier to operate the net. Smith and
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Wesson is one of them. They've got a new series
out anyway. Long story short, I wouldn't go any lighter
than a three eighty. My preference is nine millimeter and
for small, medium, large, all of it. Because it's consistent
and it performs well. You can shoot a forty five ACP.
We trained at Sheriff's office years ago. We put everybody
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sheriff Campbell hat to put everybody into forty five ACP,
and everybody qualified with it, and it was not that
big a deal. However, group sizes shrink with a nine
millimeter because people don't sense the felt recoil quite as much.
But you don't want to carry a you know, depend
on who you are. You don't really want to carry
a compact, heavier caliber weapon just because or pistol just
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because you know it does tend to recoil a little
bit more. It can be a little uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
What type of person should even consider a full size
nine millimeter or full size forty five.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Someone that's going to keep it in a console or
a home defense type situation, probably not carrying it. I
am fully capable of carrying a full size pistol of
any brand. I can carry it on me and conceal
it on me because I'm a big dude, all right.
I can do that. And my clothing choice tends to lend,
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you know, favor to that type of carry.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
But I don't.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I carry a mid size. I carry a block forty eight.
I get the shield magazines, which is a double stack
higher capacity magazines. I'm carrying fifteen plus one rounds and
a single stack pistol. Basically that's very thin size of
a nineteen eleven. But it's a glock and it's what
I'm comfortable carrying. I have all the ammunition that I
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feel like I can reasonably carry on me. Full size
capacity in a mid sized pistol out of forty three
X is the same thing. There are a lot of
guns when you get into that the specifics. Mostly it's
what do you enjoy shooting, and I like to shoot glocks.
There's a whole bunch of them out there, the three
sixty five's and the SIGs, the shields and the smiths.
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There's so many different things out there. Gut. I think
Mosburg is making pistol. Now, everybody's making pistols because in
polymer pistols, which are all just yeah, versions of the
you know, the glock. Yeah. I look at stuff at
the trade show and I go, is that another Glock
clon to go? Well, no, it's different. I look at
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it at nine. That's another Glock CLANB. And everybody's trying
to be like Glock because Glock came out first. But
that's not to say they're not good guns, because there's
a lot of really good guns on the market. What
I look at when I'm buying a gun is can
I find a holster? Is it something that I can
shoot without being terribly uncomfortable? Can I get accessories? Do
I want to put sights on it? Do I want
to put lights on it? Do those things available for
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that particular pistol, Because a lot of times the accessory
availability is very difficult for some of the one off pistols.
Just you spend a little bit of money on a
gun you kind of try to get off cheap, you
can't find anything for it.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Charlie Strickland back with me from the Talent Training Group
and we're talking personal defense, and we're talking about considerations
for pistols. You mentioned sites, red dots and so forth.
Let's talk about that for just a second. Not all
red dots are made the same.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
No matter of fact. We had we had some pistols
come into shop and that came through our other facilities.
So I know they're not in a listening audience. The well,
they could be streaming, but I doubt it. Somebody sent
some guns in and hey, I want to put these
optics on it, and we need you to machine the
slides and do this and do that. And Uh, through
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our conversations we're able to talk him up from the
sites that he provided, which came off of some jankie
site that I'd never heard of this brand. And I said,
if you're gonna miss you're gonna machine this to fit this,
why don't we go with something. So we had twist's
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elbow a little bit, but UH got got him into
some at least some some holl of Sun, which you
know they have some customer service issues here and there.
We have an experience and we actually have a lot
of a lot of positive positivity when it comes to
holl of Sun, the brand but then there's there's all
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kinds of tragic con there's this, there's there's all kinds
of different name brands, and you know, people go, but
which one should I buy? I said, well, let's see
which fits yours to Let's see, you know what, do
you have a brand preference? You know, go into any
place that sells quality products and see what they offer.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Is there a way for a late person to know
whether a red dot is quality or not?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
A lot of it boils down how much money you're spending.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
But I would go.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I mean, honestly, I go and I look at I Google,
look at online reviews of these products, because you know,
you have all this, you have all the knowledge in
the world in your smartphone now. And I go out
and I do the research, and I see how many
complaints run. I go to some of the websites that
sell them and just see what the reviews are on them,
and filter out to ones where they're complaining about customer
service or shipping and all that, and just look at
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the product itself. We put him in a little SCS
holl of Sun which has the green circle with their
green dot in the middle, and it's low profile, so
you can co witness the factory sites and still so
you can see the factory sites still so if for
some reason site quit working. Now this has a little
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solar panel on it in the whole nine yards, so
it's green in more ways than one. Yeah, green energy,
look at green.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Lasers and I know that's important.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah really and uh so, I mean so there's so
go to a counter and talk to somebody that seems
to know what they're talking about. But I would go
online and I'd research it. I mean, and if you're
looking at lights to mount on one, well, first off,
your gun has to have a rail set that you
can mount a light on it.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Can I ask you a question about that? Real quick?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah? Sure shot.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I'm guessing that we were talking about putting a light
on a gun you're not necessarily carrying, but one that
you have at home.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
There are there are small lights that will mount on pistols,
and you can have a custom holster built that will accept,
or you can buy certain holsters that will accept certain
lights on certain pistols.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Do you like a Strobe setting or steady light?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I don't. I alwaysh they'd never made Strobe crap on
a go light. I remember going.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
To the shot disorienting to a bad person.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
So they sat me. I went into shrefire booth one
year at shot Show and they say, hey, man, you're
a cop. Yeah, I'm a white team lit A. You
got to come in here and try this thing. This
flashlight has a strobe feature. See if you click it
one time, it's on right, and then if you double
click it, which is like under stress on the double
clicking something. They double click it and sit down here
in this dark tent and we're gonna and he shine
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this strobe thing in my face and yeah, that's bright,
and you go, see how disorienting it is. I said, yeah,
I'm just going to shoot towards the flashing light instead
of the solid light. Now he goes, so, what does
make you feel dizzy or queasy? I went, no, it
ticks me off because you're shining a flashlight in my
face and you just told me something was going to
make me feel quick and it didn't. And so there's
a whole and I said, for another time, but there's
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a whole concept around how to properly use flashlights. And
this strobe thing is I mean, okay, it's cool, but
I mean it's just some fancy way of selling you
something you can do the same. You can have the
same thing with buy is pushing having a rear tail
cap activated button and just pressing it multiple times. And
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there's different ways to paint with light as opposed to strobing.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
And but that's where a light not mounted to a
gun though, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
That's a hangout light on a on a or a
handheld light, and a weapon mounted light is not one
that I like to use as a primary light. It's
because I need to put both hands on the gun
and see what I'm shooting at or aiming at or
but I don't like to clear with one because I
might end up pointing in order to see the corner. Yeah,
I'm a point a gun at my kid in the
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house or something because I'm trying to see. I mean,
it's it's it is a tool, but is to me,
a weapon mounted light is supplemental. It is not my
primary source of elimination in the dark.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Good stuff today, Thanks for coming in, Yes, sir, Charlie
Strickland with us from the Talent Training Group. Remember you
can catch them on the weekends on Saturdays. Talent Outdoors
Here we go, third and final hour, at least for today.
Here we are starting the twenty fourth year of The
Morning Show with Preston Scott, and of course we have
with us in studio Charlie Strickland.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Good morning, sir, How are you. I'm doing good.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
He is the co founder of the Talent Training Group
and of course co host of Talent Outdoors year twenty four.
Can you believe it? Yesterday was our twenty third anniversary
of this silly show. How did we stay on the
air this long?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
There's just enough of us out there because, sir, you
have a presence in an air about you that is
just astounding to most of us. We are honored to
be in your presence. Yeah, buddy, you're supposed to pay compliments, right.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I'm supposed to receive it. Thank you for there you go,
There you go.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Don't be self defecatingating.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I didn't know you knew about that.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
We all want to achieve that.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Hey, we've got a topic to cover here today, so
let me start with this, the decision that someone makes
to either carry concealed or not. You've been at this
a long time, not just from the law enforcement perspective,
and coming across different people, but now more so from
the training side of things, with the range and the
(01:29):
training classes and all that. What do you think needs
to be the most important set of considerations for someone
on that.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Decision whether or not you are willing to use a
firearm and self defense. A lot of people they will
go get guns and they go, I don't know if
I could ever use it, then you probably ought not
have it. And the way you prepare yourself for that
is through situational training, through playing these things over and
(01:58):
over in your mind, trying to get in your minds,
I you know, mental preparation. What set of circumstances would
I use a firearm to defend myself? And a lot
of people think, I'll I'm a big dude, I can fight,
I can do this, I can do that, or I'm
a martial artist, or I'm whatever, well, okay, whatever, But ultimately,
(02:23):
what if that doesn't work, or what if you're not
as good as you think you are, which, you know,
we get, you know, as we get older, we kind
of get this old man's strength, and I think that
comes from just a life of pent up anger and uh,
but you know, what are you capable of doing?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
It.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
It's at this point in my life. Yeah, I'm a
bit overweight, and I'm fifty eight years old, and and
you know, parts of me, backs and joints and things
don't work like they used to. And if I got
in an actual knockdown, drag out fight with someone who
was my match or even less or so, I could
(02:59):
do permanently injured. And do I really want to go
down that road? So I get away. I'll get away
from that type of situation. However, I'm not going to
back down if I'm defending someone else, my family or others.
So what am I going to do? So if you're
trying to make a decision, then make sure that you
know that line, or you know a class of lines
(03:22):
that you might have to cross, and be willing to
cross it. If you're not willing to do that, then
you want to. You don't want to arm yourself because
you could and gun owners, you know, gun rights advocates.
I hate to hear this, but you may be arming
the other person. Some people don't need to carry a firearm.
Some people aren't capable of it. They're not capable of
(03:44):
physically operating the firearm because they just are either too weak,
too old, not mechanically inclined enough. Even with all the
training in the world, you may reach a point where
you just go, this is not right for me. That's
a personal decision. We will do everything we can to
try you to that point. However, you know, sometimes you
(04:04):
just get there. I know people like this. I've trained
people like this. At the end of the day, I go,
I'm gonna be honest with you, this is really not
the thing for you.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
You know, how often have you said that.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
In all well, I'll be honest, in thirty something years
of training, probably five or six times. It's just not
that often. And typically it's because a combination of age
and inability to grasp the concept involved in actually operating
(04:38):
a firearm, and not a not a good grasp for
the gravity of what that thing can do. Some people
just halphazardly, you know, handle things, and they just don't
treat it with the respect that it's due. Those people
don't need to own guns now, you know, last resort,
(04:58):
you've got one into locked up in the house and
somebody comes in. You know, maybe they can operate it
well enough, but they don't need to have it. They
don't need to be handling around their family. I mean
I run into those people. I say, you're more of
a danger to yourself and others with this thing than
then the likelihood that something might occur where you might
need it. I mean, you know, it's life's of gamble.
(05:21):
I just tend to stack the deck in my favor.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Talonarrange dot com. You want to get some training, you
want to learn more about how to properly use a firearm,
That's where you go to get some great training. All right,
this might be the dumbest of all questions, but that's
what I get paid to do, is ask these types
of things.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
There's no such thing as a stupid weather.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Is I know where that's going. It's almost a chicken
in the egg question. What matters more the choice of
ammo that one decides to settle on or the gun.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
By far, the gun ammo is amo. It all pokes,
holds all the point self defense ammunition. Any one of
those rounds out there for the most most In most ways,
they're the same. I mean, there are bonded rounds, and
you know, there's all kinds of different things that you
can get holes of holes, a hole being able to
(06:20):
find a firearm that you will actually carry, that's comfortable,
that's functional for you, that you can use, you can
use under stress, and not forget to flip some little
safety you can't hardly move with your fingernail because you've
got the wrong gun and the wrong safety set up.
I don't like safeties at all. External safeties are in
my mind, not a good idea unless you're in an
(06:41):
old school nineteen eleven or something. But selecting the correct firearm,
one that has the capacity and the accuracy and the
comfort and the functionality and a comfortable enough grip to
where you will shoot it but still can carry it
is by far more important than what type or brand
(07:02):
or style of ammunition. I mean, I like a halopoint ammunition.
But if you're carrying ball, you know, full metal jacket,
the one with no hole in the tip of it. Okay,
I mean it works, it's just not. I mean that's
what NATO cause makes you carry, you know, your worst
your NATO rounds or full metal jacket. That's what the
military carries, law enforcement carries Holow points because they're more effective.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Are there safe And obviously we're talking about the need
to defend yourself against a bad person in a bad situation.
But there are safety considerations for why hollow points are safer.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
In certain situation. Well, okay, so a higher velocity full
metal jacket round is more likely to overpenetrate either a
person and go through a person or a wall, because
you know, you think of a hollow point round as
kind of like a parachute when you fire it. When
it hits something fluid or even solid, then it's like
(08:04):
opening a parachute that spreads open and it goes from
say a nine millimetersero point three five five inches that's
the caliber. Okay, so when it hits it opens up
to around sixty five or seventy caliber, so it's about
sixty something I think, And so when it opens up,
(08:25):
it meets more resistance and that shock, that force slows
it down. And with a full metal jacket, it just
continues to poke the same size hole all the way through.
There's a temporary one cavity, permanent win caravity, all that stuff.
But the fact is is that you know ball ammunition,
(08:47):
which we commonly call full metal jacket or total metal jacket,
it could overpenetrate. Something to think about, but you should
always be thinking about your target, backstopping beyond and where
you're shooting. But sometimes you don't have.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
That luxury small, medium and large.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah. First off, let me clarify something you said before
I got here. I was not speeding on the.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Way here too, I said he might be.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
And you're talking about me flipping out of badge and
get out of a speeding ticket.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
You're gonna get so indignant about this. Do you speed? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Okay, so why but but I keep it at a
at a level that I know I'm not going to
get a ticket.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Okay. I didn't know how far away you were when
you said on the way. I'm thinking you just left.
I know how long it takes to get it.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
And wants you to be concerned. I was already halfway
here when I sent that to you.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Oh okay, okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Just you know, because I know you start, you know,
you start teasing, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
But you know the you know, the thought that most
people have is nine miles per hour on the interstate
is safe? Is that true?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
That's about right? I don't, I don't, I don't think.
Do you think most of it has to be you'd
have to be a jerk to write a ticket for
for that, anything less than that, I mean, you'd have
to upset somebody to get it ticket underneath that.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
But for most, you know, county troopers, because you're generally
not dealing with city police. When it comes to the interstate,
it's FHP and a county trooper or a county deputy
is double digits, that magic number. You start paying more
attention at eighty plus.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah. I mean in my history as a former traffic
cop and you know, deputy sheriff, I wouldn't. I never
stopped anybody for less than ten over. Yeah, I mean
because I just you know, yes, I know how fast
they would going. A lot of times we're just watching
and we're making judgments. You know, obviously that person speeding,
but it's not there's no there's no number you have
(10:40):
to meet. So you know, if you get stopped, don't
get all indignant because that might get you a ticket. Yeah,
and you know it's so you keep it under ten over. Now,
if you're in a twenty five, going thirty five is
not cool. So it's more of a percentage than it
is in there in it's up to the individual officers
(11:01):
discretion and judgment based on the circumstances. They look at
a totality of circumstances. There's the kids, and you look
at a lot of different things. You get up on
the interstate. Troopers got better things to do to stop somebody.
If they were stopping everybody, it's going nine ten over,
they'd be stopping everybody exactly. And so, uh, which the
minute you said that, I saw three troopers. I'm listening
(11:23):
to you, and then I'm like, okay, there's one when
somebody pulled over, there's another one off ramp, there's another
one there, and I'm like, setting me up. You have
setting back up?
Speaker 1 (11:33):
He said when he walked in here, you're gonna get
me a ticket next time?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah? Well, and you were like, well, what carries more weight?
Speaker 1 (11:39):
The badge.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Now, I'm not showing my badge to anybody. I still
don't have one. I'm not showing the badge. I I
just talked to you know. Let's see, I've been stopped
for speeding knock on wood once in the last ten years,
and that was in Marianna. It was a city officer.
And the minute I started talking, he went, wait a minute,
you you in law enforcement. I said, I have been
(12:02):
known to be and he goes and I told him
who I was, just my name. I didn't tell him
and he was like telling out doors, I appreciate you.
I appreciate everything you do and all that I'm I
don't thank you, you know, so no I'm not. I
hated hated it, hated it, hated it. When somebody would
you know who I am?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Or well, yeah, now a professional through.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
My letting them know that I have guns out the
wazoo and the vehicle, sure, they tend to figure out
who I am. Yeah, and it's up to them at
that point in time if they want to do whatever
they want to do.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
What do you say, since we have two minutes left
in the segment, we use that as the springboard. Since
I have so many guns in the vehicle, let's get
back to guns for just a second.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Okay, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
We just got two minutes left in the segment.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Well, if you quit talking and asked the question, then
I'll start talking about it. Do you want to go
back to small medium of large guns? Right?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
What's the smallest acceptable self defense firearm?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
A three for a pocket guns? A little smithing with
some bodyguard to Ruger l CP two. I like the
newer versions because they have higher capacity. Something. Now, keep
in mind, these things have terrible sights, and they're hard
to hit anything past about five six yards away. But
they fit in a pocket or a purse or something small,
and they are competent in a three eighty caliber. Thirty
(13:20):
two is not bad. But you don't see those anymore,
you know.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Now, how much does that factor in? Just and not
just that you don't see them, but just the availability
of ammunition.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yeah, that's a big deal. You can get three eighty,
it's more expensive. I like nine millimeter all the way around.
I like my big guns and nine. I like my
small guns in nine. If I can't carry it, it's
gonna be. If I carry it's gonna be a nine millimeter.
I may carry it at l CP two or something
once in a blue moon, once in a great while,
if I'm dressed up real nice, which never happens, but
(13:52):
I honestly.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
And an LCP two is little three eighty ruger. They
also make it twenty two.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, but I don't care you twenty two for self
defense because you've got to shoot them in the eyeballer
in the ear too for it to be effective. You know,
unless you're anticipating on the bang scaring them off. If
someone is actively attacking you and they're motivated, particularly for
drug to twenty two to the torso is not going to.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Be Now, you've got to be above the neck, you know,
there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
And most people don't have the skill set or the
mindset either make that shot or do something that aggressive,
because that's not just shooting at someone that is shooting
in the face or the head is something that takes
a different level of being messed up for you to
do that. I mean, it's that's that's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Back and on time thirty five minutes past the hour,
Charlie Strickland with me from the Talent Training Group. We're
talking pistols and the different kinds of calibers and the
pros and cons. Let's talk the differences between a three
eighty and a nine millimeter pros and con What distinguishes
one from the other. Four an average person considering concealed carry.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Okay, first off, ballistically, three eighty is probably the smallest caliber.
It's the same caliber as a nine millimeter point three
point three eight, zero point three, five five and a
nine it's they're basically the same bullet, one is traveling,
one is a little lighter than the other. Typically, your
three eighties tend to be a little lighter weight than
(15:25):
your nine millimeter bullets, and the nine millimeters traveling at
a higher velocity, So you've got a good bit more
energy in and a better terminal performance in the nine
milimeter than you would in at three eighty. However, three
eighty in ballistic gelatine tests shows that it's pretty competent.
(15:46):
It doesn't penetrate as much as a nine millimeter, it's
not as good around as a nine millimeter. But JD
and I talked about this all the time. We're fairly
confident in three eighty to where I would put my
mother and my stepmom, and that's what they have. That's
what I bought them, was Smith and Whists an easy
three eighty something that's lighter recoiling. Now, the felt recoil
(16:07):
is not drastically less than a nine milli later, but
the three eighties do come in a little bit smaller
package because they don't have to have as much weight
in the slide. They don't have to have this stuff
of recoil spring guides things like that can be a
little eaite. That's sort of pistols in certain medium sized
pistols can be easier to operate the net. Smith and
(16:29):
Wesson is one of them. They've got a new series
out anyway. Long story short, I wouldn't go any lighter
than a three eighty. My preference is nine millimeter and
for small, medium, large, all of it. Because it's consistent
and it performs well. You can shoot a forty five ACP.
We trained at Sheriff's office years ago. We put everybody
(16:51):
sheriff Campbell hat to put everybody into forty five ACP,
and everybody qualified with it, and it was not that
big a deal. However, group sizes shrink with a nine
millimeter because people don't sense the felt recoil quite as much.
But you don't want to carry a you know, depend
on who you are. You don't really want to carry
a compact, heavier caliber weapon just because or pistol just
(17:17):
because you know it does tend to recoil a little
bit more. It can be a little uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
What type of person should even consider a full size
nine millimeter or full size forty five.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Someone that's going to keep it in a console or
a home defense type situation, probably not carrying it. I
am fully capable of carrying a full size pistol of
any brand. I can carry it on me and conceal
it on me because I'm a big dude, all right.
I can do that. And my clothing choice tends to lend,
(17:51):
you know, favor to that type of carry.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
But I don't.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I carry a mid size. I carry a block forty eight.
I get the shield magazines, which is a double stack
higher capacity magazines. I'm carrying fifteen plus one rounds and
a single stack pistol. Basically that's very thin size of
a nineteen eleven. But it's a glock and it's what
I'm comfortable carrying. I have all the ammunition that I
(18:16):
feel like I can reasonably carry on me. Full size
capacity in a mid sized pistol out of forty three
X is the same thing. There are a lot of
guns when you get into that the specifics. Mostly it's
what do you enjoy shooting, and I like to shoot glocks.
There's a whole bunch of them out there, the three
sixty five's and the SIGs, the shields and the smiths.
(18:38):
There's so many different things out there. Gut. I think
Mosburg is making pistol. Now, everybody's making pistols because in
polymer pistols, which are all just yeah, versions of the
you know, the glock. Yeah. I look at stuff at
the trade show and I go, is that another Glock
clon to go? Well, no, it's different. I look at
(18:58):
it at nine. That's another Glock CLANB. And everybody's trying
to be like Glock because Glock came out first. But
that's not to say they're not good guns, because there's
a lot of really good guns on the market. What
I look at when I'm buying a gun is can
I find a holster? Is it something that I can
shoot without being terribly uncomfortable? Can I get accessories? Do
I want to put sights on it? Do I want
to put lights on it? Do those things available for
(19:20):
that particular pistol, Because a lot of times the accessory
availability is very difficult for some of the one off pistols.
Just you spend a little bit of money on a
gun you kind of try to get off cheap, you
can't find anything for it.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Charlie Strickland back with me from the Talent Training Group
and we're talking personal defense, and we're talking about considerations
for pistols. You mentioned sites, red dots and so forth.
Let's talk about that for just a second. Not all
red dots are made the same.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
No matter of fact. We had we had some pistols
come into shop and that came through our other facilities.
So I know they're not in a listening audience. The well,
they could be streaming, but I doubt it. Somebody sent
some guns in and hey, I want to put these
optics on it, and we need you to machine the
slides and do this and do that. And Uh, through
(20:10):
our conversations we're able to talk him up from the
sites that he provided, which came off of some jankie
site that I'd never heard of this brand. And I said,
if you're gonna miss you're gonna machine this to fit this,
why don't we go with something. So we had twist's
(20:30):
elbow a little bit, but UH got got him into
some at least some some holl of Sun, which you
know they have some customer service issues here and there.
We have an experience and we actually have a lot
of a lot of positive positivity when it comes to
holl of Sun, the brand but then there's there's all
(20:52):
kinds of tragic con there's this, there's there's all kinds
of different name brands, and you know, people go, but
which one should I buy? I said, well, let's see
which fits yours to Let's see, you know what, do
you have a brand preference? You know, go into any
place that sells quality products and see what they offer.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Is there a way for a late person to know
whether a red dot is quality or not?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
A lot of it boils down how much money you're spending.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
But I would go.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I mean, honestly, I go and I look at I Google,
look at online reviews of these products, because you know,
you have all this, you have all the knowledge in
the world in your smartphone now. And I go out
and I do the research, and I see how many
complaints run. I go to some of the websites that
sell them and just see what the reviews are on them,
and filter out to ones where they're complaining about customer
service or shipping and all that, and just look at
(21:41):
the product itself. We put him in a little SCS
holl of Sun which has the green circle with their
green dot in the middle, and it's low profile, so
you can co witness the factory sites and still so
you can see the factory sites still so if for
some reason site quit working. Now this has a little
(22:02):
solar panel on it in the whole nine yards, so
it's green in more ways than one. Yeah, green energy,
look at green.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Lasers and I know that's important.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah really and uh so, I mean so there's so
go to a counter and talk to somebody that seems
to know what they're talking about. But I would go
online and I'd research it. I mean, and if you're
looking at lights to mount on one, well, first off,
your gun has to have a rail set that you
can mount a light on it.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Can I ask you a question about that? Real quick?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah? Sure shot.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I'm guessing that we were talking about putting a light
on a gun you're not necessarily carrying, but one that
you have at home.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
There are there are small lights that will mount on pistols,
and you can have a custom holster built that will accept,
or you can buy certain holsters that will accept certain
lights on certain pistols.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Do you like a Strobe setting or steady light?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I don't. I alwaysh they'd never made Strobe crap on
a go light. I remember going.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
To the shot disorienting to a bad person.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
So they sat me. I went into shrefire booth one
year at shot Show and they say, hey, man, you're
a cop. Yeah, I'm a white team lit A. You
got to come in here and try this thing. This
flashlight has a strobe feature. See if you click it
one time, it's on right, and then if you double
click it, which is like under stress on the double
clicking something. They double click it and sit down here
in this dark tent and we're gonna and he shine
(23:22):
this strobe thing in my face and yeah, that's bright,
and you go, see how disorienting it is. I said, yeah,
I'm just going to shoot towards the flashing light instead
of the solid light. Now he goes, so, what does
make you feel dizzy or queasy? I went, no, it
ticks me off because you're shining a flashlight in my
face and you just told me something was going to
make me feel quick and it didn't. And so there's
a whole and I said, for another time, but there's
(23:44):
a whole concept around how to properly use flashlights. And
this strobe thing is I mean, okay, it's cool, but
I mean it's just some fancy way of selling you
something you can do the same. You can have the
same thing with buy is pushing having a rear tail
cap activated button and just pressing it multiple times. And
(24:06):
there's different ways to paint with light as opposed to strobing.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
And but that's where a light not mounted to a
gun though, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
That's a hangout light on a on a or a
handheld light, and a weapon mounted light is not one
that I like to use as a primary light. It's
because I need to put both hands on the gun
and see what I'm shooting at or aiming at or
but I don't like to clear with one because I
might end up pointing in order to see the corner. Yeah,
I'm a point a gun at my kid in the
(24:35):
house or something because I'm trying to see. I mean,
it's it's it is a tool, but is to me,
a weapon mounted light is supplemental. It is not my
primary source of elimination in the dark.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Good stuff today, Thanks for coming in, Yes, sir, Charlie
Strickland with us from the Talent Training Group. Remember you
can catch them on the weekends on Saturdays. Talent Outdoors
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