November 11, 2025 • 12 mins
Justin Haskins, VP of Policy at the Heartland Institute, is the force behind StoppingSocialism.com. The website is a must for parents and young people. He shared the utterly horrifying news behind America's shift to socialism.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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big difference. Orphanshade dot Com. Joining us is Justin Haskins. Hello, sir,
(00:50):
how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I'm doing great? How are you well?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
You know I feel like I need to take my
temperature about every fifteen minutes. Right, it's the news. I
was struggling today to put together the show because the
number of significant, big stories is just endless. So I
thought I would get your considerable insight. You are the
(01:14):
one that warned us, and I oft repeated what you
said about the New York City elections. Now that mom,
Donnie has won. What are your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I think this is just the beginning, That's what I think.
I think we're about to see another wave, another resurgence
of socialism in America. I don't know if it will
be as successful as the last wave, or maybe maybe
it'll be more successful. We're going to find out. But
I think that we are on the verge of potentially
(01:49):
having a socialist president of the United States. I think
that's coming within eight years or so, and I'm very
concerned about it.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Should it be allowed, and to hear me out, and
we might have touched on this before. I'm struggling with
the idea that someone who is a socialist or a
communist can run for office in this country. And to
those that say, well, they'll just lie about it. Yeah,
But if they lie about it and govern differently than
what our constitution allows, they're kicked out of office. It's
(02:21):
that simple, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I mean, I think the problem is once you start
going down that road, then everyone will be thrown out.
It will be prevented from running because there'll be some
sort of alleged qualification that they're not meeting ideologically. But
I agree with you that it is impossible impossible to
be a true socialist, which so Ron Mamdani is. In fact,
(02:44):
he's a communist. He's not just a socialist, he's an
actual Marxist communist, that's what he is. And I think
it's impossible to be a communist and be say that
you're going to support and defend the Constitution of the
United States or the laws of the various states or
anything like that. I just don't think it's possible for
(03:06):
you to take an honest oath of office in most
places in this country and be a communist. So I
don't know, you know, so I agree with you on
that front, I really do. I just I think at
the end of the day, we get the government that
we deserve as a people, understood, and if we get
a socialist or a communist running the largest city in America,
(03:29):
it's because there's something fundamentally wrong with the people at
this point and we need to change or we're going
to get this kind of government and we're going to
have we're going to reap what we sew.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Unfortunately, Justin, is there any chance and you could call
me way too optimistic, but is there a chance that
in the one year that happens between now and the midterms,
that Mom Donnie will go so far so fast that
New York he's out. The people that support it leave.
(04:03):
All they have are a bunch of illegals moving in.
They go to this thirty dollars minimum wage, They go
to this nonsense of free bussing, which of course isn't free.
And we see the results and enough people see it
to go, yeah, that's not for us.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Oh boy, you're do you act? Do you believe that? Well?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Do I believe that it's possible. Do I believe that
he'll do it? I don't know if he's sophisticated enough
to just slow himself down. If he doesn't, it could
actually be the best chance we have to beat it,
because it will collapse on itself in New York City.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah. Yeah, So here's the thing. I would love to
believe that the American voters are would do that, would
look at even if it is catastrophic, they would look
at that. We don't want that. But the reality is,
after what we saw with Black Lives Matters and some
of the insane things that they were doing there with
COVID and some of the insane things that were happening
(05:03):
in the lockdowns and all of that. You had whole
cities being taken over or large parts of cities being
taken over in places like Seattle. You had riots in
Portland attacking federal buildings, and people still went out and
voted Democrats.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Okay, I'm gonna let me try to make an argument,
and I'm not going to disagree with you, but I'm
going to try to convince you for the half glass
full out of this nonsense that is the socialist takeover
in New York City. Hang on, Justin Haskins, vice president
of policy with the Heartland Institute, senior fellow, and more importantly,
(05:38):
our guest this morning here on the program. He joins
us once a month. Here's my argument, Justin, and why
it's so important to me personally, is because the capital
city of Florida is literally one elected seat from being socialist.
They aren't as bold as calling themselves that, but that's
what they are, and they're one vote away. And here's
here's where I say it's a different scenario. Then you
(06:00):
correctly point out Black Lives Matter, Clantifa, all the stuff
that we've seen on the left coast. But the difference
to me is the policies of socialism, when enacted, are
largely economic and in the big Apple now, the big
red Apple, Right. I don't think there's a way to
escape the math that's coming to New York. You can't
(06:22):
do what mom Donnie's going to do without driving out
the people that would that would make it possible to
do it.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, I I totally agree. And in a world governed
by reason and logic, that would be what happens.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, But I think the math is going to win
the day. But the math is going to win the day.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
There is there is a way out for them, and
the way out for them is to blame Donald Trump
and and and he is the boogeyman, and he will
still be presidents at that time, and they'll blame whatever
economic woes they're having and everyone else in America is
having on the Trump administration and the Republicans who are
running Congress, if they're STI running Congress at that time,
(07:01):
that's what's going to happen. And the reality is on
the left, they have decided, they have made they have
decided it's time for socialism again. We're going to give
this another go. And because they believe they never really
got a fair shot to try it. That's what they think.
You know, all the all the other times Communists, China, Venezuela,
(07:22):
you know, all those places in Gola, they don't count.
So this is a this is a new this their
this is their big chance. Bernie got screwed and the
two times that he ran for president, he got screwed.
This is their time to run again. This is their
time to make it happen, and they're going to get
their chance. Biden didn't go far enough. If they just
go further, they're going to win. Economic populism is the
wave of the future, and I think young people have
(07:45):
totally bought into this lie and they are willing to
give any strong man a chance right now because they're
not seeing positive results in their lives personally, and because
of that, because they feel like they've been screwed and
the economy is rigged against them, they are willing to
give any strong man a chance. And someone like Zoron
(08:05):
Mamdani or who knows AOC somebody else is going to
step into that role and is going to take charge
and is going to give socialism a real shot. And
whether we can survive that or not, it's a totally
different question.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah. See, I think New York by going this route,
they're twenty years down the road before they can recover
from what is coming their way now. And that's best
case scenario. Let's talk about the shutdown for a second, Justin,
we seem to see a light at the end of
that tunnel. Obviously, this was a battle of wills. I
(08:40):
don't know who really wins this thing. Do you have
your thoughts on a winner and a loser?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Well, I mean the public perception of it is that
the Democrats lost, which I suppose is something you know
that's positive.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I'll drink to that.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah. Other than that, I would say nobody really wins.
The American voter didn't win. All all this does is
restart a completely dysfunctional government yep, that isn't working for
us and is spending way too much money and enslaving
our children and generations after that with debt, and this
doesn't solve any of those problems.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Justin was just scolding me in the break for being
way too optimistic. But I will say, you have facts
on your side. Go ahead and break the news to
our listeners that you've totally depressed me with.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Okay, so we ran a poll at the Ireland and
to do with Raths Musselin reports national survey of voters
eighteen to thirty nine. So these are only voters under
forty likely voters, okay, and we asked them all sorts
of questions about socialism, including do you want a democratic
socialist to be president of the United States? In twenty
twenty eight, more than half fifty three percent said yes,
(09:57):
we do, including thirty five percent of people who said
that they voted for Donald Trump thirty five percent. And
it gets worse from there. Sixty two percent said that
the economy is unfair for young Americans. Fifty five percent
said that they would support a law that would confiscate
Americans quote excess wealth, including things like second homes, luxury cars,
(10:20):
and private boats, in order to help young people buy
a home for the first time. Seventy six percent said
that they strongly agree or somewhat agree with nationalizing major
industries like healthcare, energy, and big tech in order to
give more control and equity to the people. That included
a strong majority of people who self identified as Republicans
(10:41):
and Trump voters. So young people are turning to socialism
and it's radical socialism. And it doesn't matter if they're
a Republican or Democrat, if they voted for Trump or Kamala.
They want socialist policies and the left knows it, and
that's why they're running on this.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I know what I would pin that on, But what
do you pin that on? What led to these people
having this idea?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Well, there's a million reasons for it. I mean, there's
a fact that we've been teaching our kids in schools
for decades that you know, capitalism in America is terrible
and socialism is good. But I think the real heart
of this because we ask people and why do you
support democratic socialism, the number one response we got was
(11:27):
housing prices are too expensive? And so I think the
heart of all of this is young people feel like
the economy is rigged against them and that they can't
build wealth for themselves. And because they can't get wealth
for themselves, they've become their debt slaves. Because of college,
they can't afford to buy cars or homes. They look
(11:48):
at the world and they say, why not. This is
the only chance we have is to have things taken
from other people and given to us. The system was
never fair for us. And our parents had it better,
and our grandparents had it better than we do, and
it's not fair. And that's what they believe, and that's
what they've been taught their whole lives. And I think
that they are now voting on that idea, and there's
more and more of them now than they're were before,
(12:10):
and I think the problem is only going to get worse.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
We have thirty seconds left before the promised time that
I said that, I said that I would get you
out if you go one step further. Is this really
a result of not teaching young people critical thinking skills? Oh?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
And yeah, one hundred percent. And history, that's a huge,
huge part of it. In history, and giving them a
strong moral foundation for why, an objective standard of morality
for how you decide what is good and what is bad.
It isn't based on who gives you the most stuff.
And that's what a lot of young people believe today
All right, the page has been turned on the rundown,
and here we are the third hour of the Morning
Show with Preston Scott common Sense amplified for Show five thousand,
four hundred and ninety two. He is Jose. I'm Preston.
Remember orphanshade dot com if you can donate orphanshade dot com.
(00:27):
We're trying to build home number six. We built Home
number three. You listeners, you chipped in and raised the
forty plus thousand dollars. We're trying for fifty five this
time to build home number six and mallow with this
as a home for orphans, not an orphanage. It's a
big difference. Orphanshade dot Com. Joining us is Justin Haskins. Hello, sir,
(00:50):
how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I'm doing great? How are you well?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
You know I feel like I need to take my
temperature about every fifteen minutes. Right, it's the news. I
was struggling today to put together the show because the
number of significant, big stories is just endless. So I
thought I would get your considerable insight. You are the
(01:14):
one that warned us, and I oft repeated what you
said about the New York City elections. Now that mom,
Donnie has won. What are your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I think this is just the beginning, That's what I think.
I think we're about to see another wave, another resurgence
of socialism in America. I don't know if it will
be as successful as the last wave, or maybe maybe
it'll be more successful. We're going to find out. But
I think that we are on the verge of potentially
(01:49):
having a socialist president of the United States. I think
that's coming within eight years or so, and I'm very
concerned about it.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Should it be allowed, and to hear me out, and
we might have touched on this before. I'm struggling with
the idea that someone who is a socialist or a
communist can run for office in this country. And to
those that say, well, they'll just lie about it. Yeah,
But if they lie about it and govern differently than
what our constitution allows, they're kicked out of office. It's
(02:21):
that simple, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I mean, I think the problem is once you start
going down that road, then everyone will be thrown out.
It will be prevented from running because there'll be some
sort of alleged qualification that they're not meeting ideologically. But
I agree with you that it is impossible impossible to
be a true socialist, which so Ron Mamdani is. In fact,
(02:44):
he's a communist. He's not just a socialist, he's an
actual Marxist communist, that's what he is. And I think
it's impossible to be a communist and be say that
you're going to support and defend the Constitution of the
United States or the laws of the various states or
anything like that. I just don't think it's possible for
(03:06):
you to take an honest oath of office in most
places in this country and be a communist. So I
don't know, you know, so I agree with you on
that front, I really do. I just I think at
the end of the day, we get the government that
we deserve as a people, understood, and if we get
a socialist or a communist running the largest city in America,
(03:29):
it's because there's something fundamentally wrong with the people at
this point and we need to change or we're going
to get this kind of government and we're going to
have we're going to reap what we sew.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Unfortunately, Justin, is there any chance and you could call
me way too optimistic, but is there a chance that
in the one year that happens between now and the midterms,
that Mom Donnie will go so far so fast that
New York he's out. The people that support it leave.
(04:03):
All they have are a bunch of illegals moving in.
They go to this thirty dollars minimum wage, They go
to this nonsense of free bussing, which of course isn't free.
And we see the results and enough people see it
to go, yeah, that's not for us.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Oh boy, you're do you act? Do you believe that? Well?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Do I believe that it's possible. Do I believe that
he'll do it? I don't know if he's sophisticated enough
to just slow himself down. If he doesn't, it could
actually be the best chance we have to beat it,
because it will collapse on itself in New York City.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah. Yeah, So here's the thing. I would love to
believe that the American voters are would do that, would
look at even if it is catastrophic, they would look
at that. We don't want that. But the reality is,
after what we saw with Black Lives Matters and some
of the insane things that they were doing there with
COVID and some of the insane things that were happening
(05:03):
in the lockdowns and all of that. You had whole
cities being taken over or large parts of cities being
taken over in places like Seattle. You had riots in
Portland attacking federal buildings, and people still went out and
voted Democrats.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Okay, I'm gonna let me try to make an argument,
and I'm not going to disagree with you, but I'm
going to try to convince you for the half glass
full out of this nonsense that is the socialist takeover
in New York City. Hang on, Justin Haskins, vice president
of policy with the Heartland Institute, senior fellow, and more importantly,
(05:38):
our guest this morning here on the program. He joins
us once a month. Here's my argument, Justin, and why
it's so important to me personally, is because the capital
city of Florida is literally one elected seat from being socialist.
They aren't as bold as calling themselves that, but that's
what they are, and they're one vote away. And here's
here's where I say it's a different scenario. Then you
(06:00):
correctly point out Black Lives Matter, Clantifa, all the stuff
that we've seen on the left coast. But the difference
to me is the policies of socialism, when enacted, are
largely economic and in the big Apple now, the big
red Apple, Right. I don't think there's a way to
escape the math that's coming to New York. You can't
(06:22):
do what mom Donnie's going to do without driving out
the people that would that would make it possible to
do it.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, I I totally agree. And in a world governed
by reason and logic, that would be what happens.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, But I think the math is going to win
the day. But the math is going to win the day.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
There is there is a way out for them, and
the way out for them is to blame Donald Trump
and and and he is the boogeyman, and he will
still be presidents at that time, and they'll blame whatever
economic woes they're having and everyone else in America is
having on the Trump administration and the Republicans who are
running Congress, if they're STI running Congress at that time,
(07:01):
that's what's going to happen. And the reality is on
the left, they have decided, they have made they have
decided it's time for socialism again. We're going to give
this another go. And because they believe they never really
got a fair shot to try it. That's what they think.
You know, all the all the other times Communists, China, Venezuela,
(07:22):
you know, all those places in Gola, they don't count.
So this is a this is a new this their
this is their big chance. Bernie got screwed and the
two times that he ran for president, he got screwed.
This is their time to run again. This is their
time to make it happen, and they're going to get
their chance. Biden didn't go far enough. If they just
go further, they're going to win. Economic populism is the
wave of the future, and I think young people have
(07:45):
totally bought into this lie and they are willing to
give any strong man a chance right now because they're
not seeing positive results in their lives personally, and because
of that, because they feel like they've been screwed and
the economy is rigged against them, they are willing to
give any strong man a chance. And someone like Zoron
(08:05):
Mamdani or who knows AOC somebody else is going to
step into that role and is going to take charge
and is going to give socialism a real shot. And
whether we can survive that or not, it's a totally
different question.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah. See, I think New York by going this route,
they're twenty years down the road before they can recover
from what is coming their way now. And that's best
case scenario. Let's talk about the shutdown for a second, Justin,
we seem to see a light at the end of
that tunnel. Obviously, this was a battle of wills. I
(08:40):
don't know who really wins this thing. Do you have
your thoughts on a winner and a loser?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Well, I mean the public perception of it is that
the Democrats lost, which I suppose is something you know
that's positive.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I'll drink to that.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah. Other than that, I would say nobody really wins.
The American voter didn't win. All all this does is
restart a completely dysfunctional government yep, that isn't working for
us and is spending way too much money and enslaving
our children and generations after that with debt, and this
doesn't solve any of those problems.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Justin was just scolding me in the break for being
way too optimistic. But I will say, you have facts
on your side. Go ahead and break the news to
our listeners that you've totally depressed me with.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Okay, so we ran a poll at the Ireland and
to do with Raths Musselin reports national survey of voters
eighteen to thirty nine. So these are only voters under
forty likely voters, okay, and we asked them all sorts
of questions about socialism, including do you want a democratic
socialist to be president of the United States? In twenty
twenty eight, more than half fifty three percent said yes,
(09:57):
we do, including thirty five percent of people who said
that they voted for Donald Trump thirty five percent. And
it gets worse from there. Sixty two percent said that
the economy is unfair for young Americans. Fifty five percent
said that they would support a law that would confiscate
Americans quote excess wealth, including things like second homes, luxury cars,
(10:20):
and private boats, in order to help young people buy
a home for the first time. Seventy six percent said
that they strongly agree or somewhat agree with nationalizing major
industries like healthcare, energy, and big tech in order to
give more control and equity to the people. That included
a strong majority of people who self identified as Republicans
(10:41):
and Trump voters. So young people are turning to socialism
and it's radical socialism. And it doesn't matter if they're
a Republican or Democrat, if they voted for Trump or Kamala.
They want socialist policies and the left knows it, and
that's why they're running on this.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I know what I would pin that on, But what
do you pin that on? What led to these people
having this idea?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Well, there's a million reasons for it. I mean, there's
a fact that we've been teaching our kids in schools
for decades that you know, capitalism in America is terrible
and socialism is good. But I think the real heart
of this because we ask people and why do you
support democratic socialism, the number one response we got was
(11:27):
housing prices are too expensive? And so I think the
heart of all of this is young people feel like
the economy is rigged against them and that they can't
build wealth for themselves. And because they can't get wealth
for themselves, they've become their debt slaves. Because of college,
they can't afford to buy cars or homes. They look
(11:48):
at the world and they say, why not. This is
the only chance we have is to have things taken
from other people and given to us. The system was
never fair for us. And our parents had it better,
and our grandparents had it better than we do, and
it's not fair. And that's what they believe, and that's
what they've been taught their whole lives. And I think
that they are now voting on that idea, and there's
more and more of them now than they're were before,
(12:10):
and I think the problem is only going to get worse.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
We have thirty seconds left before the promised time that
I said that, I said that I would get you
out if you go one step further. Is this really
a result of not teaching young people critical thinking skills? Oh?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
And yeah, one hundred percent. And history, that's a huge,
huge part of it. In history, and giving them a
strong moral foundation for why, an objective standard of morality
for how you decide what is good and what is bad.
It isn't based on who gives you the most stuff.
And that's what a lot of young people believe today
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