August 20, 2024 • 15 mins
James Carafano, Counselor to The President of Heritage Foundation, and a twenty-five year veteran of the U.S. Army offered some insight on recruiting and why it's lagging behind goals, Plus, is that reality place our nation in the crosshairs of our enemies?
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome morning friends. Welcome to the third hour of the
Morning Show with Thrustin Scanose's running the radio program in
Studio one A, and I am here as always in
Studio one B, and it is Show five two hundred
and eighteen. You know, we came across some stories and
we've been following for quite a while now, the challenges
(00:29):
facing the armed services of this country and the recruiting
numbers and the challenges the vulnerabilities that that poses to
us as a nation. And I turned to where I
go when I need an expert to give us some
insight and better understanding, and that's the Heritage Foundation. And
(00:52):
Karin Williams was kind enough to go up the ladder
quite a bit here with this one. Our guest, James Carafana,
is a twenty five year Army vet. He's got his
master's and doctorate from Georgetown. He is an expert in
national security and foreign policy and serves as Senior counsel
(01:12):
Counselor to the President of Heritage Foundation and is the E. W.
Richardson Fellow at the Heritage Foundation. James, it's a long
and distinguished resume. Thank you so much for honoring us
with your presence today, How are you, sir so Europe.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
For your third hour? Did you get like two o'clock
in the morning. How at work?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, I'm up early, no doubt about it, go to
bed early, up early. But James, thank you for serving
our country first and foremost, and thank you for making
time for us. I want to ask, as you started
to watch the numbers decline in the recruiting, at what
(01:51):
point did it start to concern you? Or are we not?
Are we worried for nothing?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Well, this is kind of a good news bad news thing.
And when I get to the punchline about why this
is important, it's not what people think. So the good
news is, you know, the the services are doing a
better job getting to their numbers. We saw a significant
decline in propensity to serve, particularly because of the woke
(02:20):
and everything else, and and and most people don't know that,
like somewhere between seventy percent of American youth are not
actually qualified to serve in the military because of the
physical standards, They've got health issues, they've got a criminal record,
they have completed high school something I thought, So you
think the vast majority can't even serve, right, So, so
(02:41):
isn't this great because we're actually getting close to making
our numbers now? Well, no, because one is under Biden.
The size of the military continues to decline. And you know,
we do this thing every year called the Index of
US Military Strengths and the Harry's Foundation. We've done it
for over a decade and we can consistently see in
the last four years declining in military reading. It's part
(03:03):
of that is just because the numbers are smaller, so
their goal isn't it's high. The other thing is that
they started to do something which sound smart but actually
it's a it's a red flag, and that is they
started kind of pre enlistment training. So they're actually bringing
kids in months early, putting them through PTS so they
(03:24):
could get up to the physical standards, actually educating them
enough so they could be equivalent of a high school
graduate and and so that's how they're they're rounding out
the numbers. The problem with that is that's not a
sustainable model. The Brits have been doing this for years
because they were literally running out of people, so they
(03:45):
were taking unqualified people and they're investing in them to
get them to be qualified. That's expensive. First, of all,
it's not scalable, like you can't really do that on
a mass scale. And if we ever had needed numbers
in the military, legitimate numbers and a three and a
half million or so, we couldn't sustain that. So this
(04:08):
is not going to work long term. And we have
two problems. One is our military is too small. The
other thing is if we're going to have kids who
both have the propensity and capability to serve that is
not a military problem. That is a that is a
whole of us problem. We're not educating our children. We're
not we're not making sure our children are physically and
(04:29):
mentally fit. And that is not a problem for the
military to solved. That is a problem for us to
solve our education system as crap are the nutrition and
the physical of our children. It's not about money, it's
not about poverty right now. How it's literally about not
having families. Because the lack of a family means you're
(04:51):
never going to do any of these things. Well, you're
never going to produce healthy, responsible kids. That's the real
root of this problem.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Use weather, traffic and the big stories in the press box,
the fastest three hours in media, and don't be surprised
if you have a chuckle here and there. Just like that.
It's The Morning Show with Preston Scott. Eleven minutes after
(05:22):
the hour, James Carafano with us from the Heritage Foundation.
We're talking about military recruiting. This has been an issue.
I've gotten a lot of email about how do we
turn this around? James, what would your response be. I mean,
let's say you and I have kids that are you know,
they're they're from an from an intelligence standpoint, They've got
(05:42):
their their high school out of the way, they're maybe
taking some college, they're physically fit. But would you want
them to serve under the leadership that is leading our
nation's military right now?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Well, uh, look, you know I would. Look. I think
I was in the military, Jimmy Carter is when I
first came in, and it was probably it wouldn't in
badness now. But I still think military service is a
great opportunity and a great thing for kids. And there's
a lot of sergeants and captains and young leaders out
there who want to take care of these kids and
(06:16):
serve them well. So I think the politics will turn around.
I still think the military is great. I'll tell you
what the problem is not and the solution is not
a draft. You probably saw this thing where there's a
bill they want to draft women, which has nothing to
do with military readiness at all. First of all, women
(06:37):
have plenty of opportunity to serve in the military, so
it's not like it's an equal opportunity thing. The second
thing is is the draft is completely useless. If eighty
percent of the of the draft pool is ineligible to serve,
you're drafting the people who are volunteering. So it's it's nonsensical.
We don't have training ground, we don't have equipment to
(06:59):
outfit a draft military. So the draft is really an anachronism.
It's something you would be if if we needed to
put twenty million people under arms, which I hope our
foreign policy never gets kind of that screwed up. So
it's about it's about woke politics and about erasing the
difference between men and women. It's not a serious thing.
(07:20):
And see to see Congress kind of messing around with it,
and then people always say, well, we should draft everybody, right, Well,
the problem with that is, you know, again most people
aren't eligible for the draft too. You're only in the
military for two years. So by the time you get trained,
you're gone. It's very, very expensive. It's not efficient at all.
And people say, well they'll learn discipline. Well look right
now they're learning to go to drag shows. The military
(07:45):
is not. You can build character in the military, but
you have to be a person of character when you
go in. I mean, I learned my character before I
went to West Point. And again it goes back to families.
So if you ask me, what what What's the first
thing I would two if I wanted to have a
stronger military is I would start to work on the
(08:07):
things that build healthy, strong families in America.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
But and I don't disagree with one thing you're saying, James,
But if the people at the very top that are
making ultimately the decisions on deployments and so forth, I
always have felt high regard for those in in you know,
the basic levels of military leadership, but higher command, the
(08:33):
people that are ordering all of this wake ideology down
the chain. I feel as though until that changes, I'm
not sure I'm sacrificing or recommending my child sacrifice himself.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
At that point, Well I would I'd take two thing.
One as uh, you know, the nation still has to
be defended. Uh, here's where I agree with you. I
think we should find there's virtually I can I can
think of maybe one or two I would fire. Most
of the generals agree. These are all people that got
promoted initially under Obama, and they were all designed to
(09:06):
give us a political military leadership, not in leadership dedicated
to military service. So they're all corrupted. Most of them
should go. The political leaders should go. The political leadership
of the Pentagon should completely go. But this is a
fixable problem. We had a terrible military inn or Jimmy Carter,
we fixed it. But they all should be gone. That's
the thing. But here's the thing. You're absolutely right. People.
(09:28):
The number one reason people enlist, and more importantly re
enlist and stay in the military, the number one reason
is they feel like they're doing something useful. It's not
pay it's not the GI bill, it's not promotions, it's
not pay raises. It is and I feel like I
(09:51):
am contributing to something positive and constructive. And so you're right.
When you throw kids in Afghanistan and then you tell
all this is it's just a big mistake. We're relieving
and then thirteen die and you say, oh, it's a
perfect operation that does not instill trusting competence in the
rank and files. The military.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Final a few minutes with James Carafano of the Heritage Foundation.
James is a national security expert. So let's zero in
on that. I've long wondered, you know why China Russia
doesn't just go for it? Because I feel like we
are that compromise with our military, our numbers and so
forth right now. Plus you know, we got a bunch
of guys more concerned with you know, personal pronouns than
(10:34):
military tactics. James, is the Second Amendment one of those
things that kind of keeps us safe.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Look, I thought the thing that China, Russia and Ran
all that in common is they want to roll without America.
But they also want to win a war without fighting.
And it doesn't mean they're not averse to fighting war.
They don't really want to fight a war directly with US,
and nobody wants to come and invade the United States.
So and part of it is second of them, right,
America as a country is a super hard target, which
(11:04):
is things why open border is so unbelievably stupid, Because
we were creating our own vulnerability that didn't exist until
we created it. They want to beat us by having
us withdraw in the world, weaken ourselves, not be seen
as a good ally. That's why declining military writing thiss
is so freaking dangerous because it could accidentally lead towards
and it couldn't intentionally do wards that they escalate, like
(11:26):
the invasion of Ukraine. So if people are seriously interested
in this, what I recommend is we have this on
our website. It's called the US Index of Military Strengths.
They just have to go on a search engine. You
can find it in two seconds. It is the only
it is the only objective assessment of the US military
in the world. The Pentagon doesn't even do this. It's
(11:49):
the same measure every year in and out, whether it's
a Republican, an officer, Democrat in office, and it looks
at the US, it looks at its enemies, looks where
we have to fight. It is a It's like hundred
pages and thousands of the notes. It's unbelievable, and you
can find that info. But here's the root it all
leads to, because it does go back to who is
(12:10):
the president of United States? And not until few people
who vote for him, not Republican A Democrats doesn't marry me.
I'm a dog in the fight. But look, people say, well,
I'm voting on taxes, I'm voting on the orange chair,
I'm voting on the Hyeno ass right, And the reality
is that it doesn't matter what you think you're voting for.
You are voting for the commander in chief of the
(12:31):
United States, whether you want to believe that or not,
whether you care or not, you are and the kind
of military you're going to get is dependent upon the
person that you elect. And I know because I've seen
this for decades. I came in the army under Jimmy Carter,
I saw the army under Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, the
Bush's Arack Afghanistan. I've seen all these things and it
(12:54):
all traces back to the person you put in the
Oval office. So if you don't like the military you have,
you just have to say, how, why did that election
turn out the way it is?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Could it be argued that is the single most important
thing that we're voting on.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Always it always is. And you know, we ended the
Cold War and we thought, you know, we're never going
to have to think but if actually, if you take Iran, China,
and Russia together and look at their total military and
economic power, that is actually a more significant threat than
dealing with the Soviet Union at the height of the
(13:30):
Cold War, and they have more nuclear weapons than the
Soviet Union did of Co War.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
If I were to if I were to ask you, James,
to grade us right now, just taking that military strength
index that you have and I'm looking at right now
and boil it down for us, distill it. If you
were to grade us A through F, what grade would
you give us right now in our readiness to act
on more than one front?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Most well, we're an F at being able to act
on more than one front.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Were a D.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Basically overall, the number one issue we have right now
is we need a much bigger maritime force in the
Pacific to deter the Chinese. And people can't say, just
pivot to the Pacific because seventy percent of the US
Navy's already in the Pacific. If we move the rest
of it there won't be able to do anything. So
we need to build a navy that's worthy of the
United States. That's our number one mission number two, which
(14:24):
in ten years will be even more important, and nobody
gets this matter. Nobody gets the fact that Paris actually
is the chief space officer in the United States, head
of the UK Space Council. We just stranded two astronauts
in space for a year. In ten years, who dominates
in space is who's going to win wars on our period?
(14:45):
Drop mic end of statements.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, it's the high ground.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
It is. It is not just the high ground, it
is controlling the universe. I'm my friend, I mean this
is going to mean everything. So after we build the
world's strongest made we have about fifteen years to catch
up and beat the Chinese in space. Otherwise we're all
going to be working for them.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I think that pretty well sums it up. Chicks, Thank
you for the time this morning.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Man.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I appreciate the visit and I hope we can get
you back on here sometime soon. That'd be great, Thank you, sir.
All right, James Carafinal with us and he's with the
Heritage Foundation. What do you think is that pretty much
sum it up? You better build up the navy. Weren't
we just talking about shipbuilding last week? How China is
just just destroying us in building ships, subs destroyers and
(15:45):
now he's talking space. We had a fifteen year window.
Twenty seven past the hour, It's The Morning Show with
Preston Scott
Welcome morning friends. Welcome to the third hour of the
Morning Show with Thrustin Scanose's running the radio program in
Studio one A, and I am here as always in
Studio one B, and it is Show five two hundred
and eighteen. You know, we came across some stories and
we've been following for quite a while now, the challenges
(00:29):
facing the armed services of this country and the recruiting
numbers and the challenges the vulnerabilities that that poses to
us as a nation. And I turned to where I
go when I need an expert to give us some
insight and better understanding, and that's the Heritage Foundation. And
(00:52):
Karin Williams was kind enough to go up the ladder
quite a bit here with this one. Our guest, James Carafana,
is a twenty five year Army vet. He's got his
master's and doctorate from Georgetown. He is an expert in
national security and foreign policy and serves as Senior counsel
(01:12):
Counselor to the President of Heritage Foundation and is the E. W.
Richardson Fellow at the Heritage Foundation. James, it's a long
and distinguished resume. Thank you so much for honoring us
with your presence today, How are you, sir so Europe.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
For your third hour? Did you get like two o'clock
in the morning. How at work?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, I'm up early, no doubt about it, go to
bed early, up early. But James, thank you for serving
our country first and foremost, and thank you for making
time for us. I want to ask, as you started
to watch the numbers decline in the recruiting, at what
(01:51):
point did it start to concern you? Or are we not?
Are we worried for nothing?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Well, this is kind of a good news bad news thing.
And when I get to the punchline about why this
is important, it's not what people think. So the good
news is, you know, the the services are doing a
better job getting to their numbers. We saw a significant
decline in propensity to serve, particularly because of the woke
(02:20):
and everything else, and and and most people don't know that,
like somewhere between seventy percent of American youth are not
actually qualified to serve in the military because of the
physical standards, They've got health issues, they've got a criminal record,
they have completed high school something I thought, So you
think the vast majority can't even serve, right, So, so
(02:41):
isn't this great because we're actually getting close to making
our numbers now? Well, no, because one is under Biden.
The size of the military continues to decline. And you know,
we do this thing every year called the Index of
US Military Strengths and the Harry's Foundation. We've done it
for over a decade and we can consistently see in
the last four years declining in military reading. It's part
(03:03):
of that is just because the numbers are smaller, so
their goal isn't it's high. The other thing is that
they started to do something which sound smart but actually
it's a it's a red flag, and that is they
started kind of pre enlistment training. So they're actually bringing
kids in months early, putting them through PTS so they
(03:24):
could get up to the physical standards, actually educating them
enough so they could be equivalent of a high school
graduate and and so that's how they're they're rounding out
the numbers. The problem with that is that's not a
sustainable model. The Brits have been doing this for years
because they were literally running out of people, so they
(03:45):
were taking unqualified people and they're investing in them to
get them to be qualified. That's expensive. First, of all,
it's not scalable, like you can't really do that on
a mass scale. And if we ever had needed numbers
in the military, legitimate numbers and a three and a
half million or so, we couldn't sustain that. So this
(04:08):
is not going to work long term. And we have
two problems. One is our military is too small. The
other thing is if we're going to have kids who
both have the propensity and capability to serve that is
not a military problem. That is a that is a
whole of us problem. We're not educating our children. We're
not we're not making sure our children are physically and
(04:29):
mentally fit. And that is not a problem for the
military to solved. That is a problem for us to
solve our education system as crap are the nutrition and
the physical of our children. It's not about money, it's
not about poverty right now. How it's literally about not
having families. Because the lack of a family means you're
(04:51):
never going to do any of these things. Well, you're
never going to produce healthy, responsible kids. That's the real
root of this problem.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Use weather, traffic and the big stories in the press box,
the fastest three hours in media, and don't be surprised
if you have a chuckle here and there. Just like that.
It's The Morning Show with Preston Scott. Eleven minutes after
(05:22):
the hour, James Carafano with us from the Heritage Foundation.
We're talking about military recruiting. This has been an issue.
I've gotten a lot of email about how do we
turn this around? James, what would your response be. I mean,
let's say you and I have kids that are you know,
they're they're from an from an intelligence standpoint, They've got
(05:42):
their their high school out of the way, they're maybe
taking some college, they're physically fit. But would you want
them to serve under the leadership that is leading our
nation's military right now?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Well, uh, look, you know I would. Look. I think
I was in the military, Jimmy Carter is when I
first came in, and it was probably it wouldn't in
badness now. But I still think military service is a
great opportunity and a great thing for kids. And there's
a lot of sergeants and captains and young leaders out
there who want to take care of these kids and
(06:16):
serve them well. So I think the politics will turn around.
I still think the military is great. I'll tell you
what the problem is not and the solution is not
a draft. You probably saw this thing where there's a
bill they want to draft women, which has nothing to
do with military readiness at all. First of all, women
(06:37):
have plenty of opportunity to serve in the military, so
it's not like it's an equal opportunity thing. The second
thing is is the draft is completely useless. If eighty
percent of the of the draft pool is ineligible to serve,
you're drafting the people who are volunteering. So it's it's nonsensical.
We don't have training ground, we don't have equipment to
(06:59):
outfit a draft military. So the draft is really an anachronism.
It's something you would be if if we needed to
put twenty million people under arms, which I hope our
foreign policy never gets kind of that screwed up. So
it's about it's about woke politics and about erasing the
difference between men and women. It's not a serious thing.
(07:20):
And see to see Congress kind of messing around with it,
and then people always say, well, we should draft everybody, right, Well,
the problem with that is, you know, again most people
aren't eligible for the draft too. You're only in the
military for two years. So by the time you get trained,
you're gone. It's very, very expensive. It's not efficient at all.
And people say, well they'll learn discipline. Well look right
now they're learning to go to drag shows. The military
(07:45):
is not. You can build character in the military, but
you have to be a person of character when you
go in. I mean, I learned my character before I
went to West Point. And again it goes back to families.
So if you ask me, what what What's the first
thing I would two if I wanted to have a
stronger military is I would start to work on the
(08:07):
things that build healthy, strong families in America.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
But and I don't disagree with one thing you're saying, James,
But if the people at the very top that are
making ultimately the decisions on deployments and so forth, I
always have felt high regard for those in in you know,
the basic levels of military leadership, but higher command, the
(08:33):
people that are ordering all of this wake ideology down
the chain. I feel as though until that changes, I'm
not sure I'm sacrificing or recommending my child sacrifice himself.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
At that point, Well I would I'd take two thing.
One as uh, you know, the nation still has to
be defended. Uh, here's where I agree with you. I
think we should find there's virtually I can I can
think of maybe one or two I would fire. Most
of the generals agree. These are all people that got
promoted initially under Obama, and they were all designed to
(09:06):
give us a political military leadership, not in leadership dedicated
to military service. So they're all corrupted. Most of them
should go. The political leaders should go. The political leadership
of the Pentagon should completely go. But this is a
fixable problem. We had a terrible military inn or Jimmy Carter,
we fixed it. But they all should be gone. That's
the thing. But here's the thing. You're absolutely right. People.
(09:28):
The number one reason people enlist, and more importantly re
enlist and stay in the military, the number one reason
is they feel like they're doing something useful. It's not
pay it's not the GI bill, it's not promotions, it's
not pay raises. It is and I feel like I
(09:51):
am contributing to something positive and constructive. And so you're right.
When you throw kids in Afghanistan and then you tell
all this is it's just a big mistake. We're relieving
and then thirteen die and you say, oh, it's a
perfect operation that does not instill trusting competence in the
rank and files. The military.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Final a few minutes with James Carafano of the Heritage Foundation.
James is a national security expert. So let's zero in
on that. I've long wondered, you know why China Russia
doesn't just go for it? Because I feel like we
are that compromise with our military, our numbers and so
forth right now. Plus you know, we got a bunch
of guys more concerned with you know, personal pronouns than
(10:34):
military tactics. James, is the Second Amendment one of those
things that kind of keeps us safe.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Look, I thought the thing that China, Russia and Ran
all that in common is they want to roll without America.
But they also want to win a war without fighting.
And it doesn't mean they're not averse to fighting war.
They don't really want to fight a war directly with US,
and nobody wants to come and invade the United States.
So and part of it is second of them, right,
America as a country is a super hard target, which
(11:04):
is things why open border is so unbelievably stupid, Because
we were creating our own vulnerability that didn't exist until
we created it. They want to beat us by having
us withdraw in the world, weaken ourselves, not be seen
as a good ally. That's why declining military writing thiss
is so freaking dangerous because it could accidentally lead towards
and it couldn't intentionally do wards that they escalate, like
(11:26):
the invasion of Ukraine. So if people are seriously interested
in this, what I recommend is we have this on
our website. It's called the US Index of Military Strengths.
They just have to go on a search engine. You
can find it in two seconds. It is the only
it is the only objective assessment of the US military
in the world. The Pentagon doesn't even do this. It's
(11:49):
the same measure every year in and out, whether it's
a Republican, an officer, Democrat in office, and it looks
at the US, it looks at its enemies, looks where
we have to fight. It is a It's like hundred
pages and thousands of the notes. It's unbelievable, and you
can find that info. But here's the root it all
leads to, because it does go back to who is
(12:10):
the president of United States? And not until few people
who vote for him, not Republican A Democrats doesn't marry me.
I'm a dog in the fight. But look, people say, well,
I'm voting on taxes, I'm voting on the orange chair,
I'm voting on the Hyeno ass right, And the reality
is that it doesn't matter what you think you're voting for.
You are voting for the commander in chief of the
(12:31):
United States, whether you want to believe that or not,
whether you care or not, you are and the kind
of military you're going to get is dependent upon the
person that you elect. And I know because I've seen
this for decades. I came in the army under Jimmy Carter,
I saw the army under Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, the
Bush's Arack Afghanistan. I've seen all these things and it
(12:54):
all traces back to the person you put in the
Oval office. So if you don't like the military you have,
you just have to say, how, why did that election
turn out the way it is?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Could it be argued that is the single most important
thing that we're voting on.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Always it always is. And you know, we ended the
Cold War and we thought, you know, we're never going
to have to think but if actually, if you take Iran, China,
and Russia together and look at their total military and
economic power, that is actually a more significant threat than
dealing with the Soviet Union at the height of the
(13:30):
Cold War, and they have more nuclear weapons than the
Soviet Union did of Co War.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
If I were to if I were to ask you, James,
to grade us right now, just taking that military strength
index that you have and I'm looking at right now
and boil it down for us, distill it. If you
were to grade us A through F, what grade would
you give us right now in our readiness to act
on more than one front?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Most well, we're an F at being able to act
on more than one front.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Were a D.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Basically overall, the number one issue we have right now
is we need a much bigger maritime force in the
Pacific to deter the Chinese. And people can't say, just
pivot to the Pacific because seventy percent of the US
Navy's already in the Pacific. If we move the rest
of it there won't be able to do anything. So
we need to build a navy that's worthy of the
United States. That's our number one mission number two, which
(14:24):
in ten years will be even more important, and nobody
gets this matter. Nobody gets the fact that Paris actually
is the chief space officer in the United States, head
of the UK Space Council. We just stranded two astronauts
in space for a year. In ten years, who dominates
in space is who's going to win wars on our period?
(14:45):
Drop mic end of statements.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, it's the high ground.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
It is. It is not just the high ground, it
is controlling the universe. I'm my friend, I mean this
is going to mean everything. So after we build the
world's strongest made we have about fifteen years to catch
up and beat the Chinese in space. Otherwise we're all
going to be working for them.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I think that pretty well sums it up. Chicks, Thank
you for the time this morning.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Man.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I appreciate the visit and I hope we can get
you back on here sometime soon. That'd be great, Thank you, sir.
All right, James Carafinal with us and he's with the
Heritage Foundation. What do you think is that pretty much
sum it up? You better build up the navy. Weren't
we just talking about shipbuilding last week? How China is
just just destroying us in building ships, subs destroyers and
(15:45):
now he's talking space. We had a fifteen year window.
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