Friday, June 6, Hour 1

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Good afternoon, everybody.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Welcome to I on the Ball here on Fox Sports
fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera in with me today this
good old guy Jay Gonzalez.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
And I'm not sure how to take the old guy
part of it, because you know.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
I figured i'd be like, kind of like that misdirection.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Good. Yeah, I thought you Actually we were.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Just saying old and that, you know, we've been doing
this together for a lot of years or old as
in I'm a couple of months away from sixty six.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Stop your ahead, Jacob good. Okay, yeah, good. I struggled
to say good due, Yeah, old, I appreciate it's okay.
Have you got ready here?

Speaker 3 (00:56):
So we got you know again, servants Rivera, Gazales, we
were attorneys at law.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Good to see you Jay could be here, Good to
be Good to see you in town, Ray, Good to
see you in town. You know who is still in town?
U A baseball? They never left. They kind of left
their game here, didn't they. You know, I didn't watch
any of it. I just kept in tune with the score.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Holy crap, Well I saw it all and tell me
and look, it was one of those games where it
got away early. And look, you've played enough baseball. I
played enough baseball.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Ray.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
I don't know if you were a baseball player, but
you games like this happened. You know, North Carolina isn't
eighteen runs better than Arizona. You know, they may be better,
but they're not eighteen runs better. And tomorrow could be
a completely different day. We've seen that, you know. I mean,
look Arizona just last week they beat They opened with

(01:55):
cal Poly, beat him three to two, got two hits,
didn't get a hit after the second any and then
they scored eighteen and fourteen the next two games. So
baseball is a game like that. It's not like basketball
where if somebody's really better than you, they're just gonna
beat you every time on a given day. Baseball can
it just it flabbergasts you because a game like this

(02:17):
can happen and you can come back and win the
next day.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
And the good thing for them, it's a series, not
a one gamer.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Right, And you know, and you listen to what Chip
Hale said, he said, just flush this one.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
It's over with you.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
You know that in the later stages of the game,
he wasn't putting out guys from the bullpen who he's
gonna need later this week, and those kinds of things
when it comes up.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
I mean when it.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Was when it was five to one, I'm like, you know,
they can still win this game.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Even when it was eight to one or eight to two.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
I thought, you know, they loaded the base once they said,
you know, somebody gets a hit here. Now this it's
a whole different thing. But it didn't happen. North Carolina
State kept hitting the ball. Arizona guy, you know, got
some good swings, just didn't get balls that hit the ground.
And those those games happen. So you know, you just
as you said, you flush it and you go on
to the next one. You know that tomorrow can be

(03:07):
a completely different day if your pitcher has a good game.
What time tomorrow, same time? Okay, Yeah, maybe they were
just wroking up at that. Who knows, you know, I
mean Crampkowski came out and I could have hit him today,
you know, I you know I couldn't. I don't know
if I'd have taken him deep, but I could have
hit him because he was Everything that he threw was up.
He was throwing the ball where guys swing.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
The was and and for how good you n cee
Like everybody talked about how good UNC's pitcher was, like
the whole broadcast. I mean to get ten hits like
they didn't like they didn't they didn't show up on
the scoreboard, but you can tell that they were like
I wouldn't say getting to him, but like.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
You know, they got their swings and they hit the
ball hard a bunch of times. They had opportunities to
score some runs and stay in the game and then
got away, and so you put it away, you go
to the next one. You know, my oplon was okay,
Arizona's trying really hard to give North Carolina believe that
they can do this to all the pictures and then
you're gonna throw somebody at him. Tomorrow's gonna make them cry.

(04:03):
So we'll see who said I get it was my
piece of what did you become an optimist? Because see, Steve,
baseball is like that.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
No I understand any given day, and if you play
like crap one day doesn't mean you'll pay a crap
like that.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
I mean, if you get beat by forty in basketball
or football, you kind of think that that team can
do that again to you in baseball, you think we
should come back and do the same thing to them.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
If if the.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Picture, if their picture has a bad day, our picture
has a good day, we hit the ball. You know,
any thinking happened. You know, I'll go back to my
coaching days. In a matter of a couple of hours.
Right at Saint Gregory, we beat the number one team
in the state in the first game of a double header,
and they run ruled us in the second game.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Well, the good thing is, I dare I say it,
North Carolina has momentum the way that I pull the
c Yeah, I haven't had our times to say that.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
You know, we'll see. Look, you go to the next
game and you come out and have your choice right there.
You have to regroup. Arizona has got good players.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
They've got good they They certainly showed that they could
hit a good picture because they they banged him around
a little bits, as Ray said it, you know, didn't
show up in the scoreboard. They hit him hard a
bunch of times. So you know they're gonna get They're
gonna get theirs. And this guy was you know, this
guy pitched well, he pitched well enough and put it
this way. He had a five run, four run lead

(05:24):
when he went out to the mound for the second Indian,
and so he got comfortable and and a pitcher can
be way better when they do that.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Oh yeah, no, let's just see what happens tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Okay, I'll check you back with you on one day. Yeah,
you'll see what the hell? Okay, no, no, that's cool. Hey,
a good show today. We're gonna talk about the Belmont tomorrow.
For tomorrows Belmont at Saratoga.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
You know he's got to step up.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Man.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
She gave us the winner last time and need another one.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, it's the same winner for me, and.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
I'm gonna do the same thing.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Man.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
I'm gonna go golfing, send a race home, catch the race,
you know, throw something down and then watch the races.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Okay, yeah, yeah, so I'm going the same thing, having
her a three seventeen.

Speaker 6 (06:00):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
The Belmont is gonna be run at Saratoga. It's gonna
be a.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Little different mile and a half race though.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
No, they moved it to a mile and a quarter. Okay,
so it's not even a mile and a half race.
That's a that's a big difference. That changes, right, changes
things in terms of the type of horse that can
win the race.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Well, it's there's only seven or eight horses now, not
like twenty when they were. But yes and no, but
remember that Sovereigntine didn't run in the weakness. Uh, journalism did.
It's gonna be wet. I hear it's gonna be wet,
so like like the first scenario when sovereignty beat journalism.
So we'll see to your point, yes, it's totally different,

(06:39):
given that they had to go small long, and then
they're gonna go short again.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
So we'll see sovereignty is actually in third.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
Horse Racing Nation dot com it's journalism besa sovereignty.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
And then that with the odds are just the pics
uh the pics uh, because I'm sure it's it's journalism,
journalism sovereignty and then.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
Besa no basis In second, what's the odds for to
one and the sovereignty?

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Oh I think never mind.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
I think that's just like the number or like the
way that they're running them, because it says sovereignty is
two to one.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Journalisms eight to five and then one.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Right, so it's yeah, their third basis third Segntines two.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Oh, it's base valley right right, Okay, it's gonna be fun.
Should be fun.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
And then at four fifteen we're gonna have Bruce Pasco.
We've been trying to give him on. He's been real busy.
He had something end today. But just the roster and
how it looks. I had heard just today in fact,
that because the president situation Jay and Ray is that
maybe a player or two might have a tart time
getting through.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Wow, you never know, yeah, you know I read that,
you know, uh, soccer fans, and maybe some players may
have trouble getting getting here for the World Cup under
what this damn country is doing.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Don't get me.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Started, you don't you you start yourself yourself because we
won't go there. Yeah, so it's a crazy time. We'll
see what he thinks about the possibility. Because there's so
many on the team, right, so many international players, so
it's freshmen to boot.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
Yeah, and it might it might come up even earlier
because of the club World Cup that's happening, so like
the Nation's World Cup, like the big one. Obviously that
happens every four years, but the year before they do
a Club World Cup where it's like all the big
name teams like Madrid, I think Liverpool's coming, Chelsea, Barcelona,
like they're all going to be in the US.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
But obviously they have a.

Speaker 5 (08:32):
Bunch of foreign players, so I could could run into
that issue a little earlier.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, so we'll talk to him about that. The draft
is warted two three weeks, we'll talk a little about
that too, And where they're placed in the top twenty five.
They're still in the top twenty five and a number
of well all of them except that you vary from
eleven to nineteen to fourteen, winevers and we talked about this.
I had Pete on Pete Williams yesterday, Jay, and everyone's

(08:56):
in love with this roster, right, Well, okay, you lose
Bryant that you get these freshman that are fantastic and
still Arizona's like ranked eighteen seventy good but some other teams. Yeah, yeah,
you don't know, you don't, Yeah, you don't know right now,
But don't get too carried away because it's always When
was the last time we said Arizona was not going
to be any good never, right, never. It's just the

(09:16):
quality of how good they're going to be.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
More than ever. You don't know.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
Just like in football, you don't know until you get
your guys on the court, because you have so many
new guys. I mean, you may have a great roster
and if they can't play together, well, what the hell
good does it do?

Speaker 2 (09:29):
When did you know how good Arizona was this year? March? Yeah, March,
late February.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Early March, right, I mean because you wondered in December. Yeah,
you didn't know what you had in January, and then
they sorted kind of in March.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
You're thinking, oh.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
Wow, you know, and people assumed that because Tommy in
his first three years, you know, his teams came out
of the box, you know, kicking ass and stuff like that,
and he got them to meld, you know, during preseason
and they were ready to go.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
This last year, it.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Took a while. It took quite a while. I mean
we were talking in December like are they even going
to make the tournament? And so yeah, I mean anymore,
you just don't know until you get these guys on
the court. And it's new guys, a whole bunch of
new guys every year. The only thing I'll say to that, though,
is that when you've got a three year starter at

(10:18):
point guards, that helps a lot, especially when you you know,
that helps a lot to get these guys to play
a little more cohesively, or it should, let me put
it that way, it should. You would think it would
when you've got a veteran guy in charge.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
On the court. Yep, everything just still place.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah, but I'll say that that won't be a weakness
because we didn't know about Jaydon Bradley when he got here, right,
and then last year he was doing some better things,
but still doing some things. And I know you in
particular Downhill the whole I'm going in the lane and
I'm not coming out kind of thing. But he's got
ar under his belt, and now let's say he progresses

(11:00):
even another year. Now he's in a position where he
can make this team better just by being on the court.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Right, And I think things will change because Caleb has
gone the ball beheadled differently and and the freshmen are
going to be fantastic. Walk is back in Creavus will
see how healthy is. So you know what, Like I said,
I've been doing this long time you've seen it a
long time. When the last time you say they're not
going to be in a good it's been forever. Well,
you know you you mentioned a walker.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
Uh you know, I from from day one, I wasn't
like sold on him as a I mean, he's a
bruiser inside, gets a lot of rebounds, very physical, but
he also you know, he needs he needs to score,
score something, to throw the ball in there and score
and two on two weeks ago. And again there's another
guy who has a year here under his belt working

(11:46):
with Jade and Bradley. Because when you're a center, when
a center or a big guy and a point guard
are in sync, you're a lot better.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
And that makes you wing guys a lot better.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
I mean that, you know, there's a whole idea of
you know, point guards need to know how to get
the ball inside. You need to know how to make
a good a good entry pass, and those kinds of things.
And when you've got two guys who've been doing it
together for a while, that helps a lot too. So
there's a lot of things like that that are aside
from the new guys coming in that you think can

(12:17):
help them be better.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
I like your Bruce's.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Thoughts on all Yeah, we'll see how they all fit
because they're going to have some people that will be
pretty good.

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Speaker 15 (17:28):
All back together, man.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Wekay wait a take you this is my show. Don't
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Speaker 3 (17:37):
Hey wa, welcome back to I on the Ball. I'm Steve,
You're Jay and we now we got d back in
the house.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Hey, guys. Bye, what's up a match?

Speaker 15 (17:45):
How are you guys doing?

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Okay, we're good, you know good. Let me ask you
a question. When when are they running at Delmar?

Speaker 16 (17:52):
When do they run Dalmar?

Speaker 15 (17:55):
Opening day is July I'm not gonna pull my calendar.
July eighteenth, so that's Friday, and then they're.

Speaker 16 (18:03):
Gonna run until September.

Speaker 15 (18:07):
September seventh will be closing day. It's Grandparents' Day is
closing day.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
I need you to send a nice letter of invitation
to my wife because we're gonna be there in like
the first the second weekend of August. I don't know
if she'll she'll put up with me going to the
horse races, but it would be fun.

Speaker 15 (18:27):
Well, you let me know when you want to go,
and I will make sure you have tickets.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Oh okay, free stuff, all right, yeah, okay, all right?

Speaker 16 (18:36):
What happens when you know somebody.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Here exactly exactly? Okay, all right, we can move on this.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Okay, everybody, So you're working the you're working the track
this weekend and Satday though no I'm not.

Speaker 15 (18:49):
I'm actually going to be taking some vacation time and
going back up to Washington.

Speaker 16 (18:53):
This is really exciting.

Speaker 15 (18:54):
So I get to actually watch the.

Speaker 16 (18:55):
Belmont with my dad, so we.

Speaker 17 (18:57):
Won't be doing phone tag before.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
The race and after the Yeah nice nice, okay, cool
cool cool. So now now let's get to the bill
nod there's anything today? Is there anything going on today?
I didn't pay attention.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (19:08):
So the Saratoga Belmont Week racing festival has been going
on since Wednesday. The Acorn ran just about fifteen minutes ago.
We did see a seven to one upset over the one.

Speaker 16 (19:19):
To four favorite.

Speaker 15 (19:19):
The favorite was Good Cheer, who was your Kentucky Oaks winner.
She went off at about one to four odds. The
track right now is extremely sloppy. It is a steeled track.
There has been quite a bit of weather coming in
today and so that has definitely affected how I look
at the races to tomorrow because this track does not
drain like Churchill does. Churchill is a very standy track,
so the base allows for a lot of water to
be able to be taken in and then drain away

(19:41):
within a day. Sarah Tooga is not really built like that.
So if it's super sloppy, money, it's going to affect
how the horses run tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, No that I knew it was going to be wet,
because I've been studying it myself, and we know how
it went the first time in a ready muddy situation,
in a Churchill right right where I couldn't hold on
against a sovereignty. But so what does this mean if
it's still going to be sloppy.

Speaker 15 (20:07):
So it means that horses that are breaking on the
lead and they're getting comfortable leads, the speed is holding.
It's it was a very speed bias track last year.
We saw that in last year's Belmont when Dorknock went
gate to wire and sire Leone struggled to close for third.
We saw it again at the Acorn Lacara, who was
the winner. She ran nice in the Kentucky Oaks, did

(20:27):
not take to the Churchill track sloppy that day. She
did seem to take to the Saratoga sloppy sealed track today,
So it could be a thing. If journalism didn't particularly.

Speaker 17 (20:37):
Like churchill sloppy track, he may like.

Speaker 15 (20:39):
The Saratoga sloppy track.

Speaker 16 (20:41):
I did get to hear.

Speaker 15 (20:42):
An interview from Michael McCarthy earlier today with one of
the reporters up at Fox and he said, Journalism has
been training very well. He's been eating up and you've
had kind of this kind of re energized energy about
him in the morning.

Speaker 16 (20:56):
He's training really well, and I've.

Speaker 15 (20:57):
Watched him galloping and he looks like he is on something.
He's not for drug testing purposes, he's not, but he
looks just like he did before the breaknance. He looks
like he's in really good form. You know, it's it's
going to be a matter of I think pace makes
the race.

Speaker 16 (21:14):
In this case.

Speaker 15 (21:15):
We do have a little bit more speed in here
with the ad of Crudo the five who's the other
Todd Pletcher runner in here. But if we're talking speed
on the front end, this is Rodriguez's race to lose.
Like if he's going to break on the front end,
like Bob Baffert says, that he's got to come out
of the gate running, he's going to set very comfortable
factions up front, and if he doesn't take a lot
of pressure pressure, he's going to go a mile on

(21:35):
the quarter around the tracks very easily.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
How much of a I'm very ospussion how much of
a factor is that the Journalism ran three weeks ago
at the breakness and sovereignty did not or sovereignty a factor.
We're seeing that sovereignty is like the third favor right.

Speaker 11 (21:51):
Now, right, Yeah.

Speaker 15 (21:53):
So this is the really interesting dynamic of why horse
racing is so much fun and specifically why the Triple
Crown is such a cool series of raceists to watch
because this year, Journalism is the only horse to have
run in all three Triple Crown races. Last year, Missed
Dan was last year's Kentucky Derby winner. He was the
only one to have run an all three Triple Crown races.
So looking at Journalism, who's built like a classic horse,

(22:15):
He's got long legs, he's a long stride, and he
hits his best distance at a mile and three sixteenth
And we saw that in the Preakness as he got
out of trouble and he just started powering home, his
stride got longer. He literally was running faster. Typically when
you see horses clothing like that, the front horses are
slowing down, but he was literally starting to run faster
in that last eighth of a mile. And so it's

(22:37):
a very interesting thing because Belmont has said that sovereignty
your Kentucky Derby winner. This past year has been training
with also any type of energy. He's much more aggressive
in the morning. He's also filled out. He's the five
weeks has done him a lot of good. He's said
in previous interviews. The Preakness was never on their mind
had they won. The plan right along was when the

(22:57):
Kentucky Derby goes straight to the Belmont. My concern is
is this track has been a speed bias track, and
so the fact that he typically is farther back, granted
it's a short field, he may have to sit close
to the pace, which is not his typical running style.
So that could take him out of the race a
little bit in the sense of what he's comfortable running.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
And Ben and you know this is a shorter race.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
It's a shorter distance is time.

Speaker 15 (23:23):
Yeah, So typically your Belmont race is a mile and
a half. And because the Belmont for last year and
this year are at Saratoga, they can't run a mile
and a half due to the track configuration of how
large the oval is. So we are back running at
a mile and a quarter. Now, if this race was
a mile and a half, I would say, Besa is
your runner hands down? The way he was running on

(23:45):
in the Kentucky Derby told me that worse the farther
he goes.

Speaker 16 (23:49):
He will be a marathon runner.

Speaker 15 (23:50):
And I think the thing to note.

Speaker 16 (23:52):
With him is his half brother was door Knock. Door
Knock won last.

Speaker 15 (23:56):
Year's Belmont here at Saratoga, So that also, if you
want to call it a bit of a sibling bias,
it's a sibling bias. Pooka also had the twenty twenty
was it twenty twenty What Are We? Twenty five, twenty four,
twenty three Kentucky Derby winner with Mage, and so she
is one of the highest producing brood mares to ever

(24:17):
have this many classic runners in the Triple Crown series.
So to say that Besa is bred for this is
an understatement.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
There's also a horse that Jay would like and Olvic
would like, maybe maybe Dawn called Krudo Grudle. I love that,
and Ray knows you know what that means. They're a
little girl.

Speaker 16 (24:41):
I don't think I know the meaning of crude.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Go ahead means hungover.

Speaker 15 (24:46):
Oh well, I mean that would make sense considering Jay
just got back from Corona and I was hungover.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
So that's that's your hunch point. If if this race
was running on.

Speaker 15 (25:02):
He's an interesting horse in here, in the fact that
he's the second Todd Pletcher runner and he's the other
horse that has speed, so he'll be the one the
theory that will break with Rodriguez to push the pace,
and the faster they go, the better of a race.
It makes for your geek closers. Now, I think journalism
is going to sit very close in the race. Crudo
is very lightly raced. Who's coming out of Sir Barton,

(25:23):
which was at Pimlico. He also raced three weeks ago
at a mile in the sixteenth. He didn't beat a
whole lot that day and didn't run a super high
buyer speed figure, but that was kind of the standard
for that day at Pimlico.

Speaker 16 (25:35):
The track was just playing kind.

Speaker 15 (25:37):
Of weird, and it was just it was a very
slow day. Times were very slow. They were just dragging
on that dirt. But I mean, Johnny Velaska's Hall of
Fame jockey, he has been having himself a day. He
has been winning races left and right, large prices, short prices,
you name it. So I mean you got to give
him credit. That Todd Pletcher goes to Johnny b a
board Crudo, I mean, in a'sn to justify, how can

(25:58):
you not bet a don of a triple crown winner?

Speaker 4 (26:01):
I mean, how can you not take a Latin Hispanic
jockey on a horse named Crudough?

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Right? I mean you have to right. Let me ask
you something.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
Because a sloppy track, how how much does it affect
the time? You know, the speed of a race. I
know some horses like to run in that, some horses don't.
But is it several seconds? Half second? I mean how
much of a difference in a winning time would there
be because it's a sloppy track.

Speaker 15 (26:31):
I mean it really depends on the track because every
track composition is a little different, it'll affect that. The
other large thing to consider is if the track is
sealed or what we call open. If the track is sealed,
it means the dirt's been packed down super hard, so
it's more like running on concrete versus like on sand
on the beach. So if you're running on much like
fluffy or wet sand, you're gonna sink a little bit more.

(26:52):
Whereas a wet sealed track that's muddy, where you just
see water kind of sitting on top, it's gonna be
much harder, they're going to get much more of a
push and a bounce off of it. So it kind
of depends from that standpoint. I mean, we could be
talking a couple of seconds. I mean, you're not talking
twenty seconds flower in a race, but you could be
a solid three to four.

Speaker 17 (27:09):
Second time difference between a.

Speaker 15 (27:12):
Wet, sloppy track that's sealed and a dry, fast track.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
And you said this one is not sealed, right this.

Speaker 16 (27:18):
One is sealed right now.

Speaker 15 (27:20):
And they gotten enough rain earlier they pulled a couple
of Grade ones off.

Speaker 18 (27:24):
Of the turf.

Speaker 15 (27:25):
It looks like they're going to race on the turf
for Race twelve right now at Saratoga. But if they
continue to get weather like they have been today, I
would not expect the track conditions tomorrow to be great either.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Oh man, who was gonna ask you something? Oh?

Speaker 3 (27:41):
I haven't talked to you since the last time for
the pregnants, right, we haven't.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Taked to you. Just the I don't think that just
the just the performance of.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Journalism, because holy crap, there's no way we're thinking and
Jay's probably thinking, there's no way's gonna cash a ticket,
and I'm thinking he's gonna finish a second, but then
he gets through it and he comes down rushed. It
was what he did even if we had baffort on
last week. And he was like, I mean, that doesn't
happen very often.

Speaker 15 (28:06):
No, that that race was something else to watch. And
I was sitting in the newsroom with a bunch of
other people and we were all hooting and hollering, and
you know, he got slammed and in that corner, and
some say, you know, the jockey shouldn't have gone.

Speaker 17 (28:19):
He should have gone, he should have had.

Speaker 16 (28:20):
A different trip.

Speaker 15 (28:22):
But I look at it from the horse's standpoint, and
that horse is a winner, like he knows how to win.
And he saw daylight through that hole, and the horse
was gonna go. Whether I'm virtual riskling, his jockey.

Speaker 16 (28:30):
Told him not to or to go or not to go.

Speaker 15 (28:33):
So I mean, at that point, I believe the horse
made the decision, which tells me how gussy and game
he is. Again, he's a horse that we have seen
in multiple races now that can take a hit, They
can take adversity, and he's going to keep running afterwards. Again,
I think while he can get over the mud, it's
just a matter of how easily can he get over

(28:53):
the mud? Honest, everybody would like to see a dry track.
They would like to see an even playing field from
that standpoint between SOT and journalism in a dry track,
but we may not see that until the Breeders' Cup
Classic when they both come out to Delmar, because Delmar
is gonna have a really good weather come November. But
for right now, no, you can't take anything away from
what journalism did in the Derby and then the Preakness

(29:16):
and what he's trying to do here in the Dalmont.
His sire Curlin ran in two thousand and seven in
the Kentucky Derby, he ran third. Curlin proceeded to them
win the Preakness, just like journalism, and then Curlin lost
the two thousand and seven Belmont to Rags to Riches,
who was a todd Pletcher Philly. So while we don't
have any Phillies in here that I think will be

(29:36):
beating journalism, it's definitely something to look at as sire
lines and Curlin's represented by a couple of horses in here,
and the last horse that won the Preakness and then
went on to win the Belmont was a fleet Alex
twenty years ago, in two thousand and five.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
So let me ask you, because you I don't think
I've ever asked anybody this question, because you have horses,
You own some horses or a horse, and you're you know,
you're well versed in all this stuff. How smart are
the horses? If you said that journalism was going to
get through no matter what jockey or not, what are
their instincts?

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Like? What do they do?

Speaker 16 (30:15):
You know?

Speaker 15 (30:16):
I truly believe every horse is their own individual just
like people.

Speaker 16 (30:22):
I have heard Michael.

Speaker 15 (30:23):
McCarthy say it.

Speaker 17 (30:23):
I've heard them virtual briskally say it.

Speaker 15 (30:25):
I've heard people that have just happened to go to
the barn and see journalism and take pictures with them.
How smart and kind he is and just how just aware,
like he's just.

Speaker 16 (30:34):
A very well minded horse.

Speaker 15 (30:35):
And so the fact that he wanted to go through
that whole tells me how much he wants it. And
we talk about in sports, you gotta have heart, you
got to be able to, you know, rise above physical
limitations or bad trips, And he truly is one that
has a big heart and he's gonna use every ounce
of physical being that he has or heart to get

(30:57):
through where he needs to go.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
So unlike Jay when he's playing, not thinking he's in
a game, the horses know that they're in a race.

Speaker 15 (31:05):
Oh absolutely, those horses know it's rain they know it's
game day. There's a little bit of different setup routine
that goes on on race day, and those horses pick
up on it pretty fast. Obviously, when you go to
the paddock and you get settled and there's a big
crowd around, the horses will feed off of that, and
then in the post parade. It's a very different feel
in the afternoons compared to the mornings.

Speaker 16 (31:25):
It's why sometimes you'll hear training and say.

Speaker 15 (31:27):
Well, they train really well in the morning, we needed
to translate to the afternoon. These horses racing at this
high level, their morning trainings are translating into the afternoon.
You are seeing these horses at their top form, at
their best form here in the afternoons during race time.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
Okay you ready, Okay, So everybody that there's a whole
gaggle of us that put some money on that four
horse box that you gave us, and I think they're
all listening today, plus a few others.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Word of mouth has gotten around, so here you go,
oh God, this might be your last conversation with you.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
All right, give us our give us our four horse
exact the box.

Speaker 15 (32:07):
You know, I'm gonna stick with journalism on top. I
truly do believe he is still the best three year
old around. I think he's extremely classy, very precocious, and
he's he's taken the Connections on a ride of a lifetime.
So journalism on top for me, I'm going to take
Rodriguez in there as well, and then I will not
count out Sovereignty, the two horse, your Kentucky Derby winner,

(32:30):
and then you got to add Beza back in there.
You're Belmont winner for the last out of the last
twenty years, thirteen of those winners have come out of
the Kentucky Derby race. They have either prepped in the
Kentucky Derby or running the Kentucky Derby.

Speaker 16 (32:44):
So that can't be ignored.

Speaker 15 (32:45):
That's that you have to include the three horses that
are coming out of the Kentucky.

Speaker 16 (32:48):
Derby in that box.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
So I think so those are those are the four
favorites as of now. He threw us a long shot
last time. If we were throwing to throw in a
long shot for discussion would that be?

Speaker 15 (33:03):
I would? I mean, this field is it's kind of
a wonky field. It's it's not just a small field.
But you've got Heart of Honor who is coming over
from racing in May Dawn. He ran an okay fifth
in the Preakness, and you got Uncaged who ran six
in the Peter Pan. I would probably take Hill Road.
He's not a huge price, but he did win the

(33:25):
Peter Pan. That is the quote unquote prep race for
the Belmont. Chad Brown has been having a decent day
to day after being very quiet. So if he's gonna
have a horse run well tomorrow, it's gonna be Hill Road.

Speaker 16 (33:39):
He teams up with irad Orties, so.

Speaker 15 (33:42):
We'll see what happens there. I mean, he ran third
in the Breeders' Cup Juvenile behind Citizen Bowl and Gaming
and Citizen Bowls. Making his return in.

Speaker 18 (33:50):
The Woody the what is it the Woody Stevens of
the h Allen Jerkins. It's the hand The Woody steven
is this weekend, so the Citizen Bowl will be returning
in the Woody Stevens. Uh So, I mean.

Speaker 15 (34:05):
Definitely Hill Rode a classy horse they had hoped to
get into the Kentucky Derby. But unfortunately he just didn't
have the points to get in.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
So if you if your little exact hits did Jay,
you might not be crudeo.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
You might be cruzo in the morning. I don't know, man.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
We we just watching the end of that Preakness, and
and and what was the longshot's name?

Speaker 2 (34:29):
The horse of finger second.

Speaker 15 (34:30):
Gos was a nine horse.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
There was no when I saw journalism come out of there,
I thought there's no way after that that it can
catch this horse.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
I thought we were cashing big. And then he just came.

Speaker 15 (34:44):
And that's what I mean that that is a horse
with a lot of heart that that wanted that when
he was the whole reason that he got in front.
The jockey did not do anything that was that was
all journalism.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
Would you would you key journalism at the top maybe
first and you know, just journalism and then a bunch
of horses or what what?

Speaker 2 (35:03):
What do you think.

Speaker 16 (35:06):
The box up to you?

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Spend his money, baby, spend his money.

Speaker 15 (35:16):
You know, I would put journalism on pop. I will
bet him to win personally.

Speaker 16 (35:21):
That's That's what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 15 (35:22):
I just I truly do believe he's the better horse.
And you know, hearing Michael McCarthy saying that he's breathing
a different air and he's been re energized since coming
to Saratoga, I think is is huge credit to him
and how how he's been going. You know, Besa is
the other horse that people can't seem to stop talking
about Berta Risk. He was doing an interview and uh,
they were saying, you know, how do you feel about

(35:43):
the magic with sovereigny. He's like, can't forget Besa. And
I think the key to that is Besa shipped back
to Santa Anita after the Kentucky Derby and has been
training at sant Anita, So everyone including numberto Michael McCarthy
have gotten a first hand watch and how this cult
has been working.

Speaker 16 (35:57):
And the fact again that he's out.

Speaker 15 (35:59):
Of Pooka, he's got two half brothers that are already
classic winners, I think is another big, big.

Speaker 17 (36:04):
Factor to add on to it.

Speaker 16 (36:05):
And the fact that he likes to stop it was
it's huge.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yeah. Okay, well, d thanks a bunch. We'll talk to
you soon. I'll probably text you on Saturday tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
All right, that's good and say hey to your pop
far us.

Speaker 16 (36:19):
Of course he's calling me right now.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
And your mom and your mom, don't forget your mom. Yeah,
your mom too.

Speaker 17 (36:24):
Yeah, okay, you got a guy, Thank you, d D.

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It's not gonna pay very much, you know it's not.
And that's the things you to figure out. Well, you
got to figure out a way to he's bad, something
that with some value, or maybe you just bet him
to win and try and get something.

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Speaker 2 (40:34):
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Speaker 3 (40:37):
Uh, listen to me, yeah, mister Roman, listen to mister romantic. Okay,
you know what he did this weekend?

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Was that so d Heather?

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Right, he just went to Rocky Point. Okay, and then
I always said he out kicked his coverage, right, I
think he got le foudred percent limit. So guess what
he had to locker up in another thirty five years?
Did to renew the battery?

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Renewed our vows in front of the family. You know,
we take this long.

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Our whole family is go down to Rocky Point about
thirty people and uh, I my wife and I reviewed
renewed ours.

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Did she know did you already have this place? Oh yeah,
this is planned out.

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This is a very pun and my sister who who
has thirty years, they did this. So we did a
double thing and uh had had a great time. It
was like a wedding there. We hired some we had
a small madiachi to play some songs for us, and
got had a catered dinner and and.

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Then drank a lot. Just you remember what happened.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Yeah, yeah, we yeah, we drank a bit, but it
was fun and right on the beach, had a great
time and uh, and it was a cool event for
our families.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
I'm gonna ask you this because I ask everybody whenever
they come into like an anniversary at the restaurant, what's
the secret?

Speaker 2 (41:44):
What's the secret? God, there's a serious question.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
The secret is secrets.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
No, No, you know, you know it's it's it's it's
being flexible, right, and and sometimes you sometimes you give,
sometimes you get and and you know, not always feeling
like things got to be your way.

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Speaker 4 (42:10):
I think I'm a very flexible person when it comes
to our to our marriage. You know, my wife might
someday say look, I want to do this, and I'll
say okay, But then I get one down the road
and it's not a tit for tech kind of thing.
It's just like, okay, you know, we'll do this and
and not and not being grumpy about it or whatever.

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Speaker 4 (42:28):
And then do the dishes two or three times a week,
the times a week, cut the grass and uh, you know,
and and here's the here's one for me and this
I don't know if this for everybody's measured, but this
is for our marriage.

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Is listen.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
I listened to my wife when it came to making
decisions about the kids, how to raise them, you know,
things to do, would not do.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
She's way more school.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
You know, she reads, she talks to people, she talks
to other moms, and it's like trust that she's always.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Trying to do the right thing and in our in
our particular case. Now, I know there's some.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Moms out there you can't you can't trust, but you know,
she's a smart woman. First of yeah, our kids are,
so you have to question that our kids.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Are great kids in large part because of her. I agree.
I had a little too much of my dad in me.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
And my dad was, you know, very strict, disciplinarian, the
guy who you know, and I didn't. We didn't raise
our kids like I got raised, and that was a
big deal.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
He's accurate, I think. And then good kids. Yeah, and
you turn on you turn out good kids.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
And then you watch them and you know, my son
is a dad now and you see him and I
see him and his wife have the same kind of
relationship or the way of doing things as we did.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
She's the one who knows all the things right.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Let's not do this, you know, And he's like okay,
you know, but you know, on the other hand, you know,
he's got his thing too, and it's not like.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
He it's not like we're not didn't participate in raising
our kids. We did.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
But it's kind of like listen because sometimes somebody's got
a better idea than you got.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
And that asked me about my success. I'm single because
I could do whatever the damn thing I want.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
I can do pretty much anything. I can do anything
I want. I just don't. Sometimes you're happy, Yeah you're happy. Oh,
it's great.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
You want to live another happy in thirty years.

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Yeah, here's ray. Go get yourself on the they they made.
They make your day. And sometimes I'm not. You know,
sometimes it's hard, but most of the time, at least
in my case, it has not been. You know, I'll
give you one to my wedding boughs from from this.
And I told my wife, I said, every day, whether

(44:59):
it's a good day or a bad day, is a
better day because of her. Right, if it's a bad day,
it's not as bad, and if it's a good day
can be a great day.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
That that's kind of was the message of my vowst
write like that all the time.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Because nobody will read that.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Somebody read that good stuff? Was that good?

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Though?

Speaker 17 (45:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Good?

Speaker 4 (45:23):
And I said that and she got tears in her
eyes and it was cool and did you mean that?

Speaker 2 (45:27):
But I did?

Speaker 4 (45:28):
I really did, because I feel, you know, I think
about I think about my bad days, and I think
about God, how much worse would have been?

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Would it have been if she wasn't there? Right?

Speaker 4 (45:38):
And so and so it's it's it's it's a it's
an actual true statement.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
She's probably kept them out of trouble.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
Yeah, yeah, and and and the good days are even better.
I had a good day yesterday, all right. I had
a good day. I went to on the heels of
going to Rocky Point. Okay, I don't get my blood
drawn for my my my my four times a year,
but and it can't my my my my a one
ce my bloodshedgar is the best it's been in years.

(46:06):
I hit the mark that I've been trying to hit
for several years. I had a good day. And it
was a better day because she was there, and she
was like, she was really happy about it, right, and
so it was a great day.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Well they did that. Welcome to Delilah. I hate that
lady she bothered.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
Me, welcome to we're not taking any calls or the
lady sleepless in Seattle, right, the lady doctor doctor Fieldstone. Anyways,
So that that that there we go. There we went
off the rails there. But that that, you know, that
was what I said to her on this summer.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
This summer, I'm just talking about whatever, and I truly
mean that. I truly meant all of that.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
You know, I said some other stuff, but that was
the main, the main point of my vows to her.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Well, then I begged her to stick with me. Well,
remember this is number two, so it is true. It
is cleared after one. Yeah, for Reaither, they're gonna be
a rematch, okay, Apollo Creep, what do you predict?

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Pain, don't want one?

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Okay, So we're gonna have We're gonna have Bruce Pasco
four fifteen for seventeen. If you guys, I wist you
can call us if you want to hear our SAPs stuff.
Here we kill with with looking forward to this weekend,
It's should.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Be about four o'clock, So be ready. Yeah, you gotta
be bad. Yeah, I'm teeing off at nine o'clock. Get
you ready, trick it before you go. I'll be home
by two o'clock.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yeah, okay, so be sloppy, so all that it should
be a good day.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
Well, actually, I do want to get home and bet
at least one or two of the other the pre races.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
You know, it's always fun to do.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
That because because they have they have uh you know,
the guys that make some predictions and stuff like that
on the broadcast.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
So I kind of listen to those guys. Maybe throw
a couple of bucks down. Hello, you're on there nine
of the ball. Who's this big? What's the word kruli?

Speaker 21 (47:59):
I know, Well, I want to want to know if
Jay's cru first thing, you know.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
The time I was I was on Tuesday, but I
wasn't at the time.

Speaker 21 (48:09):
He's been reading John Wooden poems and.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Success vic. There's a sight of me that you guys
don't see all the time.

Speaker 21 (48:20):
I guess because uh, I want you to say that
when Noah throws his first touchdown this year and I
say it's a good day, I can't wait to see.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
It, man, I can't wait completely. You completely know you
had me at Hello.

Speaker 21 (48:35):
I'm gonna go to the bar tonight, Little Mexico. Here
I come with Jay's words.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, that'll that'll help you.

Speaker 21 (48:40):
You be just like and then they'll laugh me out
of there. And they're gonna laugh me out of there
in a second where those words.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I don't go to those places anymore.

Speaker 21 (48:49):
VI great show.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
You guys. Talk to you too, all right, Dick, Yeah,
I just drink it home.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Well you there, because he's the one texted me this
morning really disappointed about the baseball team.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
Well that was disappointing to see for sure. You know,
I was really disappointed in Crampkowski. He just looked awful.
I mean literally, he was Every pitch that he threw
was up and they were and they were crushing him.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
You know, I'm like, fix that.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
And I don't know if it was a I'm to
the point where I thought, is there is there let
many different about the mound or what was it?

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Let me let me let me ask you this up.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
If they lose ten to five tomorrow or whatever, d
eight to two or whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
How do you measure this team or this season.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
I think it's still really good. You know, they got
to the you know, they got to a super regional.
The they won a regional on the road, right, So
you know, you got to give him credit for that.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
How would you it's okay, so you this ship for
some sall has been over. How would you look at
the softball season? You can have a little more expectation
from myself from this because because of what the past.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yes, but the past hasn't been that great. It hasn't
been that great. But you like it.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
You keep thinking, you know, they're they're they're making progress,
they're going to move. Then they were kind of in
the end, they were kind of static, right, they didn't.
I mean, they got to a regional, but you know
that was it.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Yeah, but sometimes they run up against a better team,
and I think Mississippi may have been the better team.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Yeah. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
People are very distraught about what's going on right now,
and with softball, with softball, with you know, all the
transfers of the situation, how it ended.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
I'm not there, and I don't I don't know Caitlin
from and you know, we talked to her a few times,
but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
And I think it's just more difficult than what people think.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
It's way difficult, and and and and and the money
issue that's that that's come up. I mean, look at
look at what Texas Tech. You know, they're in the
they're in the championship game because they went and paid
million a million dollars for a picture. Now, I hope
that whoever gave her that million dollars if they win
the national championship, that it was that they that it's
worth well worth it to them.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Well, it wouldn't be to me what she's back for.
One hundred million. Yeah million.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Yeah, So you know, but you know they're gonna lose players,
Steve and there.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
You know, we probably I'm sure we haven't.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no, we had, Jenny Dalton said
she I think she put sometimes we don't know things right.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Maybe there are a few that needed to leave.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
But you know, you when you're Arizona and you don't
have the money to keep them, you lose your best
players every year and you get players to replace them,
and and and then not on like football, right, they
can't you know, they can't seem to find the ace
pitcher because that ace pitcher is going to get money
from somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Well, you know, and it's tough.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
It's it's a at a at a sport like softball,
or even baseball. I think that's a bigger factor than
say football and basketball, because in basketball, Arizona can compete, right,
they can get players, and they can pay players, and
I think in football to a degree, not to an
Alabama and Ohio State degree, but enough to keep them
to where they're Arizona softball. When when you've got a

(52:01):
program like Texas Tech handing a million dollars to somebody,
or the money that Oklahoma players are getting you, it's
hard for you to keep your players.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Yeah, okay, well that's that we got to go. Yeah, yeah, okay,