Hour 1- November 10, Bob Elliot

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Hey, good afternoon, everybody.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Welcome to Eye on the Ball here on Fox Sports
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Troy Hutchesson.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
From Arizona Wildcats on U S.

Speaker 5 (00:24):
I got my guy one from everywhere in anywhere, everywhere
and anywhere. Yes, actually yeah, cur but asy deserts form.

Speaker 6 (00:34):
And how was that game on Saturday?

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Boys? You know, for most of that game, especially the
second half of the first half, it's like, Okay, does
Arizona's offense want to show up today? Do they want
to play? Finish? And then the second half I thought
it was one of the best defensive performances of the season,
folding Kansas State, I mean sorry Kansas to three points

(00:57):
and being able for the offense to come back scoring
the Jayhawks the rest of the way and just allowing
three points there in the second half.

Speaker 6 (01:04):
Did you do your grades and all that good stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yes, And a bunch of bees across the board, that's
about right, variations of bees across They had every reason
to lose that game, guys, exactly. I thought they escaped
three things that they could havebegially lost.

Speaker 6 (01:22):
And the penalties on there kendis imploded. That was their
game to win.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
The one that stands out to me is to pick six.
Oh yeah, and it was and it was passing, it
was holding whatever, but it was.

Speaker 6 (01:35):
It was.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
But if they get that, you can wrap it up
that game get yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:42):
Yeah, but it didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
It didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
You exactly knew what I was talking about. It was,
uh game they won, and they won. Uh, I do
I need to offer a semi apology, a pseudo apology.
I went to the game set in the north end
zone right below stands. It was hot, dude, even for
a sixty something year old dude. Because I was hot,
it was like uncomfortable. Stayed there at halftime and I

(02:05):
went under the shade. At halftime. I was like, oh god,
I need water, malnutrition. So I stayed and then by
the time the sun went beyond the east or west
of the stadium facility, it was fantastic.

Speaker 6 (02:19):
It got a little cool, even it was nice.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
So if you go, I owe you apology because it
is not easy. Then I said to these guys coming in.
When is a good time to go watch a football game?

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Hey, I asked that question on.

Speaker 6 (02:32):
Twitter and what did they tell you?

Speaker 4 (02:34):
A lot of excuses. Not only was it the times,
it was too many drunks in the stand that they
don't want to be around. I never heard that one,
which is hysterical because you go to anywhere in the
walk of life and there's gonna be uh never habody
cussing that. They complained about cussing. They complained about drunks,
they complained about parking, they complained about the seats, they
complained about the urinals. So anything that you can think of, Oh,

(02:55):
the price of the concessions is too expensive, the tickets
are too expensive. So anything, anything that you want to
complain about, it's there in that thread. Yeah, pretty much.
But for for me that what is the west side
of the stadium? Yeah, that was covered for most of
the game. It was so if we lived.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
In a smarter world, most fans would have migrated to
that side of the stadium. They would probably would have
staved a little bit longer, and maybe Arizona comes back
a little bit quicker.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
All you had to do is be a teenage guy
eighteen to whatever twenty something waving shirts and have a
good I'd never do that. You see my belly button,
but you know, have fun like that. But it was
I get it now. I've got it before, but I
was I lived it now and I'm thinking, oh, man,

(03:43):
this is tough.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
I get it. And we saw what usually happens during homecoming. Yeah,
the Zona Zoo, it's filled the second half. You could say, oh,
they disappear. No, they were just in the other part
of the where the eye during the homecoming they go
and sit with their family in the second half of
the game.

Speaker 6 (03:59):
So, uh, the dudes were up in the top.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah, and so credit to this is on the Zoo.
I remember growing up in Tucson during the Mike Stoops era,
and really the rich rot Ara is saying, oh, the
students don't come the students. Now, the students have done
it all season long, and they've done it for the
past five years.

Speaker 7 (04:15):
I do.

Speaker 6 (04:15):
I do have to agree with you there.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
That's why I wanted to get some Zona Zoo guys
to the representatives, because they need to applaud them. They've
done a pretty good job at least in the last
three outside of cussing to be why you people. Yeah,
and maybe a couple of other times with Ronnie right, yeah,
but yeah, but I get it. Here we are in October.
It was how did be eighty five tops? I think
it was probably about eighty three around. Yeah, it was

(04:39):
like it was after an hour, two hours sitting in
the sun.

Speaker 6 (04:42):
It's kind of tough.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
Well, it's like you know once that if you have
no relief and it keeps on hitting you and then
you're sitting in bleachers, it's just gonna get warmer and hotter.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
And yeah, and with all due respect to these two programs,
it was not It's an entertaining game. No for fans now,
no one really likes defense unless it's like turnovers and sacks. Yeah,
Kansas got to know Fafiita, But Arizona did. They hung
in there. They never broke, but they banded a lot. Yeah,

(05:12):
and so that to a fan nowadays, that's not exciting.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
You don't give Noah gread you give offener.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
B minus because I thought they left a lot out
on the field, but also thought they ran the ball
really well when they needed to.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Well here's the problem with that. Okay, so you guys
watch the game. Everyone's saying just run the ball. Just
run the ball. What the hell you doing passing all
this time? And pretty much I agree with them, Yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
Do to an extent. When you're down by ten and
again that interception almost makes it a seventeen point game,
you're trying to climb back in the game, and you've
had an offensive line that was banned up throughout the game,
So there are holes there that prevent you from doing
what you want to do. But then you're down by
what was the score, you're down by three three on

(05:59):
that fine drive, you can do whatever you want. And
then on that final drive they had only had one
pass and just ran it right down their throat.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Which is my makes my point is you can just
continue to do that, and continue to do that.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
I just I think you feel a little bit more
comfortable knowing, Hey, this is it.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, and the circumstances of events the guy missed the
field goal, uh, set it up for them to just
drive down the first of the season.

Speaker 6 (06:19):
Yeah, Well, sometimes it goes to.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
The kind of something we've talked about a little bit
long along the entire season. Sometimes you have to have
the ball bounce your way. Yeah, for Asu, that was
Camp's kataboo for us. It was just play after play. Yeah, no,
I agree with you. I was just going to say
to you.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
I was going to say to you, I don't believe
in momentum, but I do believe in uh not serendipity,
but good faith, good good fortune. And that was their
good fortune that things happened for them.

Speaker 6 (06:46):
Yeah, that game. You know, maybe eventually the ball bounced differently.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
The rest of the way. I mean the ball bounced
their way because those interceptions that were dropped, Yeah, the
one that that got directly to them. Yeah, yeah, it was.

Speaker 6 (07:01):
Oh so would you have given Noah?

Speaker 5 (07:03):
I probab would have give hihim a CEA in a
record day, right on a record day.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
I do great Noah, And I gave him a B minus.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt with the
offensive line being banned up and be able to take
five sacks in the game and still have plus rushing yards.
And on that final drive he's been talking about using
his legs all season, he breaks off a nineteen yard
round to extend that drive.

Speaker 6 (07:26):
Yeah, he was good.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
So I thought when it mattered most, he came up.
It's amazing he hasn't gotten beaten up. Yeah, you know,
he does a good job of preventing the big hit.
Like when he's on the run, he doesn't. You see
quarterbacks not self aware of what's going on around and
they get lit up. He does a good job of
going down when he needs to.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
It was a biggin to watch him, and they want
again hot. That's what apologies until I don't have to
apologize again. We'll see what happens because only one more game, right,
two weeks. Yeah, on the twenty second, we still don't
know the game time.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
We just bad for us, But yeah, I have a
feeling we're going to be looking at a seven o'clock
kickoff for that one.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
I'm okay with that. Wow, I'm okay with that. Why
you say that?

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Just got feeling.

Speaker 6 (08:09):
I'm hoping you correct.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
I'm hoping it's five, or or that I'm hoping it's five.

Speaker 5 (08:14):
I'm just taking anything past four I think would be nice.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
I don't want eight, No, I don't want. You don't
want because then there's a chance and I know it's
Tucson and you can't predict the weather, but then a
rain delay happens and this is six.

Speaker 6 (08:28):
Is there a sixth window? Or seven.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
It's I don't know, I know what are the windows.
I believe it is noon, the one thirty local, noon local,
and then the one thirty would be there, and then
it would probably be the five six seven.

Speaker 6 (08:46):
Okay, so if it's five six seven, I think I.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Can And of course eight fifteen is another one, but
I think that one will not be that there.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
So okay, So five six seven, rollo dice, baby, rollo dice.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Still hey, and what what is that? What did that
win for them?

Speaker 6 (09:01):
Do Steve?

Speaker 4 (09:03):
They're going bowling?

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, I'm thinking about the polls to Yeah, they're going bawling.

Speaker 6 (09:08):
So at this point it's a successful season.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Uh well, I'm yeah, six and six, so you know,
we'll see what happens to the rest of the way.

Speaker 6 (09:17):
I'm still about talking about oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:19):
In general, the big picture before the season started, well,
a bowl game was a successful season.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
You could since today did you go to you didn't go?
I went, and Saturday night you guys were there. His
demeanor it was like something big weight has been relieved.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Oh yeah, off his shoulder. For him, the coaching staff,
the players, it's like, okay, maybe this will shut people
the hell up.

Speaker 6 (09:40):
Shut people up for a while. Yeah, well what if
they goes and through the rest of the.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Way, then you have a problem again. Then you have
a problem again.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
At that point, you have to win that bowl game,
whatever bowl game it is, you have to win that
ball game.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
I think you're going bowling. He's fine, he's fine for
another year. But if you lose that ball game, you're
right back in the.

Speaker 6 (09:58):
Six and seven.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Yeah, it would be six and seven, six and again.
I had them going someone and five at the beginning
of the year, So right on pace of a chance,
you have a chance. And I think he has a
realistic shot in eight and four, Okay, Cincinnati, a s U,
the backup quarterback, bid up team Baylor and a s
U and a very slim shot. I don't think a

(10:23):
realistic shot. Obviously, there is an outside shot in nine
and three.

Speaker 5 (10:28):
Okay, okay, but I'm not I'm I don't be happy
for I'd be happy for my four to be right.
But I do think seven and five is the direction
I'm looking at as far as how the season plays out.

Speaker 6 (10:40):
Seven and five, win the bowl? Eight and five?

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yeah, and what bowl? What bow do you guys think
would be more beneficial? For them say l A, Well,
what are my options l A so l A Vegas,
Son Alamo technically and New Mexico and Independent Bowl.

Speaker 6 (11:01):
So can I give my order?

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (11:04):
L A.

Speaker 6 (11:06):
Vegas, New Mexico.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
Okay, I think it would be Vegas.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Uh, what's the what's the thinking behind the I don't
even know if no, no, the.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Way you're ranking, like why Vegas would be.

Speaker 5 (11:21):
Because Arizona travels better to Vegas in l A in
my opinion, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
They go for half the game of the go play.
That's that's like.

Speaker 6 (11:28):
In late December. Correct.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
The hardest part about both of those balls is that
those are NFL stadiums, So what Arizona would show out
in would be very look very minimal on the screen
and in the capacity of an NFL stadium.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
It wouldn't look like the Vegas Bowl and eight in
the college stadium. For me, I would go Sun Bowl
number one. I think they could travel at least decently,
But no, in terms of recruiting in the state of Texas,
being able to be there and see that area alimable,
I think recruiting Sanatoriah. Yeah you're but you're you're pipe

(12:05):
dreaming it a little we'll see. Okay, well take away
the alimable, so we'll go sun Vegas l A.

Speaker 6 (12:13):
Okay. And for the reasons of.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
Recruiting, location, easy to travel, all those I.

Speaker 6 (12:20):
Think both to me would would be a yawner, just
a yawner.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
And if let's say you get to the assemble, you're
seven to five and you beat a North uh North
Carolina State Awake Force and a SEC team, it's a
little bit bigger of a win than beating you know,
Mount Westeam. Yeah, okay, Well Vegas is now big ten, right.

Speaker 6 (12:39):
I don't, I don't, I don't.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Okay, So I like, if the all three, that's good.
I mean, well they're here, right, at least they're here.
You don't have to worry about it. Okay, today's show. Oh,
we're gonna talk to Bobby Elliott here at in about
five minutes. I want to talk to him about Coe
Pete and the rest of the guys because it's a
great freshman class, right uh. And I realize is that
he didn't play with the great freshman class. He played

(13:02):
with a bunch of good freshmen back, but not when
he was a freshman with the Kiddie Corps and you
know that group. Just all the pressures and maybe give
me a comp of who co is. Yeah, by the way,
you have breaking news. I was gonna say something. Uh,
And then we're gonna have Woody Cox. He's with the
Tucson Velodrome, which is gonna have a big opening on
on Wednesday, a big reveal on Wednesday. So we'll talk

(13:24):
to Woody, a former big time Villadrome guy. So he's
part of that. And uh, that's it. Maybe take some
calls anything else the teams know, basketball basketball. Tomorrow's a
game with Nau. Uh have to learn not to wear
my Maryland jacket?

Speaker 4 (13:43):
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Yeah, you know his humor. Well, I have a feeling
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It's fourteen fifty.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Hey, welcome back to I in the Ball here on
Fox Sports Fortune fifty. I'm Steve Rivera and today with
me is Troy.

Speaker 6 (19:07):
That's just sin Now on.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
The phone, we have the great Bob Elliott the Bird.
How you doing about?

Speaker 2 (19:14):
I'm good. How you guys doing?

Speaker 6 (19:15):
We're doing fine?

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Wanted to pick your brains because no one talks about
anything that's non loot era right to since then. But
you guys, you guys were fantastic and I wanted to
talk to maybe get a comp for Noah or what
you think. And two you played with some fantastic freshmen
in your day. Let's start with a comp with with CoA.

(19:36):
I'm sorry I say no One, Yeah, I said Coah.

Speaker 6 (19:40):
Just your thoughts on him?

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Uh, you know, the kid has an extremely bright future.
But the thing that got me the story about his family.
He's the baby of seven and all seven went d
one well and ether football or basketball or volleyball or whatever,

(20:03):
that's almost impossible. When I was thinking about that, the
best I can think of in Tucson is the Bates
family when they had Mario, Marlon and Michael. Yeah that's three,
that's three seven. Can you imagine how many tables and

(20:24):
stuff they've broken that house?

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Could you imagine taking all these kids to Sucker and
the basketball and the football.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Amazing, amazing. But the kid obviously plays like he's an
old soul, like he's been here before. He mean, great game,
I mean, he was just so under control. And the
only thing that got me about the game was that
they're sitting there talking about most points that were scored
by freshman in his debut, and I'm saying no, no, no,

(20:57):
and no, Okay Money had thirty seven his first game
for Arizona, it wouldn't have got we wouldn't get the
kind of press that they're getting now, I mean between
TV and social media. But you know Eric did that then.
Also keep in mind that that backcourt Eric's first year,

(21:19):
which is the year before I got there, Eric averaged
eighteen point nine. Corneill o' norman averaged twenty four point two. Yeah,
now you know there were no free pointers back then.
I Eric Money and I played together competitively high school,
college and pro. In high school, we were part of

(21:41):
a team that represented the city of Detroit in a
national tournament. We won it. Then I come to Arizona
my freshman year, Eric sophomore year and we're playing here.
Then he and I played together for a little while
in the NBA with the new Jersey nets. And I'm
telling somebody else earlier today. So Kevin Lockry was our coach.

(22:03):
You got a twenty four second clock. If the clock
got to ten, he was, he said, if Money and
Ela were down on the floor together, Claire off the side.
You guys run that pick and roll you've been running
for the last fifteen years.

Speaker 6 (22:18):
And you're saying his money, You saying, okay it.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
I loved it. I loved it on pick and roll
because as a big guy setting a pick on that guard,
the best sound is when the guard gets into your body.
But you get into their body and you hear this,
you know you got them?

Speaker 6 (22:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Yeah, do you?

Speaker 3 (22:41):
I said this earlier, maybe a week or so ago,
maybe longer than that. To me, he's a combination of
a lot of things. Pete Williams in the sense of
his body's and Pete was a skinny guy. You saw him,
You saw Pete here, I didn't see him. There's a
lot of combinations Stanley Johnson's physique. He's probably not as
physical as Stanley because he's not as mobile. But what

(23:01):
do you see in him like that?

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Wow? Not Pete because Pete was lean. Yeah, and and
and Cole has a very strong body on him. I mean,
he's a big boy and he's just a freshman. I
don't know if I can compare him to anybody body
physique side that's been here that can move like him

(23:27):
bringing the ball down the floor, making good passes. He
can play on the perimeter, he can play on the inside,
very comfortable, getting a ten feet and shooting that little
fadeaway jump shot.

Speaker 6 (23:38):
Yeah, do that. But twelve footer.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, but Ray was lean.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
No, no, no, I'm just talking shot. I'm just talking shot.
But you know what, when I bring up Pete, I
think it's Pete today, not it's forty years ago.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
About Pete Williams now fifty five or something man sixty
years old. Hey, I can relate to that. I can
relate to that. But you know, it's like if somebody
called me and they were talking about freshman debuts, and
you know, my debut was against Illinois, and I end up,

(24:16):
you know, I think they had in the paper twenty
two points, but nineteen rebounds and three blocks. And I
kind of laughed when Tommy Lloyd was saying about Cole,
was saying, he's, hey, dude, you know what about a
double double?

Speaker 6 (24:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yeah, Like I said, people back they don't remember back
in the day.

Speaker 6 (24:40):
You know, they just don't.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Know for sure. And you know, Tommy talked about rebounds
and what about a double double? He followed that up
with three rebounds. Just this last game, but to give
credit to Pete in terms of not having the rebounders
rebounding numbers there yet Toby Walker had eighteen in the
last game. It's hard to come up with rebounds when
you have a guy like a waka on the glass.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Now there's a guy with a body, Yeah, Toby. Toby
has a body on him. That's outrageous. I mean, I
don't know what his aspirations are in terms of after
this year when he graduates, but if I'm Brett Brennan,
I'll see what he can do out of the football field.

Speaker 6 (25:22):
Yeah, yeah, no question.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Can you imagine with with with his agility and size
as a defensive end tight end nobody well, you know,
I don't see him being as mobile like like Cola. Yeah,
Cole looks like he could go up and down and
run and catch and do stuff like that. But I

(25:44):
would love to see Toby chasing somebody on that going
around the side and watch him get caught and caught
by Toby playing defensive end.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 6 (25:53):
You know that's interesting.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
You know one thing about this group that's very underrated
for Arizona is it's hard play with Jaden Bradley just
having a senior guard like that with this freshman class,
and you kind of saw it in the first game
where they seemed a little discombobulated in the first first
like five minutes, and then Jaden helps get everybody back
in order to get everybody down the right track. How

(26:16):
important is that to have that leadership at the point
guard position.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Oh, it's critical when you have a young team, and
it's a luxury now to have a senior that's been
around these many years with the institutional memory that he
has to be able to lead like that and for
the younger guys to follow suit. You know. The other
thing that kind of maybe got lost in that Florida
game because Cole got thirty points, was the other freshman

(26:45):
had a double double. The small forward had twelve points
and ten rebounds.

Speaker 6 (26:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
No, he was to pronounce his name, Yeah, I just
say Ivan because I can't pronounce the last thing.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
They definitely get a guy nickname and that way, that's
what you call him the nickname.

Speaker 6 (27:03):
Yeah. No, he was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
The kids are and I'm sure this was the case
back in the day because we just talked about recent times.
But they played beyond their years. I'm assuming that Eric
and these guys played beyond their years too.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, and kids today, I'm saying kids, but you know,
you guys that maybe already know I got grandkids older
than them. And so it's just that they played so
many games now that it's almost makes you wonder. Now
there's a study going on with the NBA about man,

(27:39):
we had three guys go down with Achilles tears in
like in a month, three major guys, Halla Burton Dame,
the kid with the Celtics, And they're starting to look
at some studies about by playing one sport all the time,

(28:01):
are you only using certain parts of your body, your muscles,
the center, are you literally wearing them down before they
need to be worn down?

Speaker 4 (28:10):
And you know what it's it's the same for baseball too.
If they talked about that with Tommy John and just
that constant motion of not playing another sport like football
during the baseball you know, off season, or swimming or
you know something else.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
And and I knew we were going to try to
talk a little bit about the museum and our chat
and but you know, here's I'm gona tie us together, Steve,
so you know we're bringing in Tony Dungee February eighteenth,
Hall of Fame coach NBC Sunday Night Football. But here's

(28:47):
the part that relates to what we're talking about now.
Tony was All State football as a quarterback and Eastern Jackson, Michigan.
I'm from ann Arbor. Basketball is a guard, baseball is
a shortstop, and track as a hurdler. So back in
the day, we played all these sports. So you're not

(29:09):
just wearing the same muscle parts down year round. And
that's got I'd be curious when they find finalize this
research if that has something to do with it, because
you see kids now they're playing four or five six
games sometimes in a day and some of these tournaments,
and it's like it's too much, right, And.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
You know that's not going to change because with nil
and all that, the mommy and daddy want little junior
to you know, make some money in these days and
play one sport and make.

Speaker 6 (29:42):
Sure you're good at it.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
You know that nil is you know, it's like is
the glass half full of half empty? From the viewpoint
of a person sitting on the outside, they need some restrictions,
They needs regulations, they need to control this. As a
guy that didn't have nil in college. Lord, I wish
that thing was around, of course.

Speaker 6 (30:03):
Yeah, you were born fifty years too early.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Man. You know, we weren't even allowed to work. And
they called themselves giving us something which was fifteen dollars
a month for the laundry and incidentals one five point
zero zero, and they took it away up my senior
year because hell, NCAA does what they do. I mean,

(30:30):
but there were so many rules back then it didn't
make sense. So my you know, I was taking extra credits,
and I got to December, my senior year, and I
was ready to graduate and start on my masters. I
applied for my degree and I get a call from compliance.
You can't do that. Back then, only undergraduate student athletes

(30:53):
could play college sports, and by applying for my degree
would have made me ineligible.

Speaker 6 (31:01):
Oh wow, well what change? What does that change?

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Hey? And not not in time for me to be
able to take a second semester of mass NBA classes.
But you know, I took the classes. I just couldn't
apply for my degree, but I couldn't get the grade
I hadn't liked. Say, okay, I've already had these classes,
check that off. But I mean, there were some rules
that just didn't make sense. That was one of them. Yeah,

(31:28):
the thing about not working and the nil. The guy
I felt bad for is Reggie Bush. Yeah, he lost
his Heisman trophy for taking some money.

Speaker 6 (31:40):
Now it's okay, right, right, I think he got it back. Right,
he got it back, So let me into this talk group.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
He got it back, But think about all the stuff
he had.

Speaker 6 (31:49):
To go through.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
I could get it back when nowadays it's okay to
get money.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Right, No, you're you're exactly right. There's no question about that.
Times have change and circumstances all that. I don't know why,
but it has. Let me ask you about, well, how's
the museum going, and then we'll get into the fire states.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
You know, it has been unbelievable. The response for people.
We should be hitting January of in what a couple
of months would have been open for three years. We
would have had ten thousand people go through the museum
in three years.

Speaker 6 (32:24):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
That's that's unbelievable. You know, the State Museum, if they
get two thousand people in a year, they were happy. Yeah,
And the number of people around seven to fifty people
have contributed. The community has embraced it. It's been very
heartwarming that that many people would think that there's a
reason to have this at in Tucson, uh, the only

(32:50):
one at one point in the whole state of Arizona.
And we've been working with some different places around the
state to help them start, like in Phoenix, have them
start a music African American museum up there, and flag
Staff and down in the in the Syrrapist area. But no,
it's been great. It's the response has been good. And

(33:14):
our grandson Jody, that came up with the idea last
weekend received the NAACP Image Award for being a Visionary
Young Leader.

Speaker 6 (33:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
I was just gonna if you tell that story again,
because didn't you go to your wife and say, how
come this doesn't happen in Tucson?

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (33:34):
It was a so.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
So he's sitting there. It's March of twenty twenty, that's
when the pandemic hit, and he's in kindergarten. Kindergarten should
be about two things. Graham crackers and naps. That's it.
You should be requiring these kids to learn their studies
on a tablet. So the next year's for he's in
first grade. It's February his teacher says, due a report

(33:58):
on a black hero or Shiro. But these kids know
how to go online. He sees the regular cast of characters,
the Martin Luther King. So journal Truth leans over to
my wife and says, no new. I hear you on
the phone with this museum back in ann Arbor, where
we're from. My wife's on the advisory board for a museum,
afric American museum back in ann Arbor. He said, where's

(34:18):
the place here I can do research and see people
look like me. We didn't know the answer, so she
calls the people in ann Arbor, which is tied to
the right museum in Detroit, which is tied to the
Smithsonian in DC. And the Smithsonian called my wife back
and said, you know, we hate to tell your grandson,
but there is not an African American museum in Tucson.
There's not an African American museum in the state of Arizona.

(34:41):
And he looked at my wife and said that you
need to start one and I'll help it. And the
little guy's been there since day one. Everybody that comes
to that museum receives what's called a Jody's bag. Now,
Jody said, now, new If somebody has to listen to
you for an hour, then he's in candy. So he
goes to Walmart, use his own money, get the candy,

(35:04):
put the magnet in there that has the QR code
and the logo for the museum, and everybody gets a
Jody's bag.

Speaker 6 (35:12):
That's cool, that's cool.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Joe Kid nick a little figurine of Joey, a little
figurine of him, get a little bit.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
He's something. So now I would call him little, I
would call him little guy. But even though he's my grandson,
I think he skipped the generation on size. You know,
when you just turned twelve and you were in a
man's size ten, you're about five three one thirty five
and you can run with the guards and then football
run with the running backs. Uh, he's a big boy.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Nice, he's a load, got a future, got a future. Okay,
now now the visit from coach.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yes, yeah, that's my guy. So so, Tony Dungee and
I used to play high school summer league together in
a pro league. They allowed the high school kids have
played the pros in Detroit a place called Saint Cecilia.
And also on that team besides Tony Dungee, and I
was Gary Harrison, who was the county clerk here in

(36:12):
Pema County. And Gary, matter of fact, started a guard
for us in nineteen seventy seven, our senior year. So
we played that together. Tony and I had had a
great relationship. Our families are so identical, so both of
our parents were educators. Both of our dads had doctors.

(36:34):
Both of our moms had masters and taughts basically language
or English. And I'd go to his house. I thought
I was at home. He go to my house. He
thought he was at home. But then he also was
in our wedding fifty years ago. So I pulled up
the picture of the wedding party and my wife said, now,

(36:55):
you cannot put that on during the fireside chat. I said,
let me check with Tony. Tony says, oh yeah, put
it on. Could It'd be something to laugh about because
he's got an eight inch alfro.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
Like everybody else.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
He couldn't grow ahead on his head right now if
he wanted to.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Let's go tell me when is it February eighteenth.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
That'd be at Palibrity High School. If someone's interested in going,
go through the website Theses Way to find a website
for the museum, just type in African American Museum, Tucson
and then it'll it'll pop up, and then all the
information is there about how to be able to come. Ideally,
we're looking for sponsors because with sponsors, you besides your

(37:35):
own tickets with the group you're bringing, you'll be sponsoring
some kids to come to this event too. And we're
going to bring some Pop Warner kids in and bring
some high school players in and thinking here what Tony
has to say, because his message is always unbelievable, you know,
he's he has such a reputation and how it has
always been that way, right right.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
No, he's good, he's good. This is your third one.
I think you had you had.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Actually it'd be our fifth. It be our fifth. So
before we even opened, we had Ruby Bridges here.

Speaker 6 (38:09):
Oh yes, you said, you see.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
The name Ruby Bridges. People are like, uh, some people know,
they don't know. Everybody knows that Norman Rockwell painting of
the six year old black girl in nineteen sixty that
integrated the New Orleans school system and was being escorted
by four large white federal marshalls that go to school.
That was that was Ruby. Our second one was Carlile Walls,

(38:34):
who was part of the eight folks who integrated Little
Rock of Central High School. That one is kind of
interesting because there was a ninth grade kid in this
one picture named Jerry Jones who was there at that
same school. Yes, that Saint Jerry Jones that owns the Cowboys.

Speaker 6 (38:56):
Yeah yeah right.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Our third on Stacy Snowdon, coach Snowden's daughter. She came
and talked about how first three houses they tried to
buy and Tucson they couldn't because of red lining. Red
Lining is the fact that you go some ccnrs and
it says that people of African America they say blacks, blacks, Jewish,

(39:20):
latinos Asians could not buy a house in this particular neighborhood.
Also states he was saying how she spent more days
than she wanted to when the whole class would go
out for recess, and she couldn't because of death threats.
So she was number three. Number four was my old
teammates last January with the Sixers. Doctor j. Julius came

(39:41):
through here last January, and that was remarkable. Everybody was
gonna be about basketball and hey, hey, doctor j how
you get all those moves. Julius starts out the fireside chat.
He's thank to you know, he's a big supporter for
the Frey Museum. He said, but I'm the only living
member of my immediate family.

Speaker 6 (40:02):
Remember that.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Mother, father, brother, and sister have all passed away. And
remember Steve, you could hurt a pin drop. And from
from that point on, he was talking about life. He
was talking to all the different kids. That's what we
want the sponsors to get involved. We had sponsors that
were bringing in the young kids and the high school

(40:25):
kids to be able to listen to Julius's speech and
the fireside chat. And we want, you know, the same
thing with Tony. You know, the message is so needed
nowadays for these young kids to hear something that's positive
about taking care of yourself, giving back to others, get
good grades. I mean, just just the kind of thing
that we all want our kids to grow up thinking about.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Right right, Well, Bob, we got to go. Thanks so
much for joining us. We'll probably get you about in
a few months when we get the reval on the
basketball program.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
You got it, man, bear down.

Speaker 6 (40:58):
Thank you, Bob Elliott, thank you.

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Speaker 3 (45:10):
Hey, welcome back to Ian the Ball here on Fox
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zero four one six seventy four forty. We were a
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four forty. Give us a call talk about football, basketball,
whatever you guys want to talk about.

Speaker 5 (45:31):
Yeah, very successful weekend and yeah yeah Friday into the
weekend for Arizona Athletics'll.

Speaker 6 (45:37):
Talk about soon. Okay, good y'all. Do you want to
mention something?

Speaker 3 (45:40):
But of course you got it all comps, comps, you
guys are too young.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
Well, you know a guy like Cole Pete where he
looks like he would be like a below the rim
type of player, but surprises you with as athleticism. I
think that dunk against Florida kind of showing people. Yeah,
but Brian Williams, maybe his footwork around the basket, maybe
not the rebounds.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
He's got a lot of different people in him yet,
but a little bit of that Hello.

Speaker 6 (46:08):
You're on the air and I on the ball.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Who's this, mister prank?

Speaker 6 (46:13):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (46:15):
I'm doing?

Speaker 18 (46:15):
Okay, Steve, I have a couple of obslegrations from the game.
Wonderful finish. So speaking of finish, I think uh Quincy
Craig is alas more playing time. I think the secret,
maybe you have some other view, is that he gets
to the un the scriptage very quickly before the the

(46:38):
defense you know, sets up that will so once he
gets in the secondary. He's uh, he's very good at
debating tackles. Okay, Uh number two. Uh, both of the
throws that uh Defeta did to the right side, that
one got intercepted got called back and the other one

(47:01):
that the that the Kansas guy dropped or to that
same right side. He he tends to go to that
side and he rolls out that way. So I think
the other teams are going to be expecting that call. Okay,
and finally, and finally, uh uh disappointing attendance.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Uh. You know I thought that you know, it's it
was hot, but not that hot. It was pretty nice.

Speaker 18 (47:32):
Did you go four degrees?

Speaker 6 (47:34):
Did you? Did you go?

Speaker 18 (47:35):
I know I was not.

Speaker 6 (47:37):
Okay, yeah, I will be going.

Speaker 18 (47:39):
I will be going.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
I had a family event that I couldn't miss.

Speaker 18 (47:43):
Okay watching on TV.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Okay, call me back when you go to the twenty
second game, and just so just to let me know
how you felt about it.

Speaker 18 (47:52):
Okay, what about the other things I talked?

Speaker 6 (47:54):
Okay, I want to get that to the Craig. The running.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
You know, it's a it's a loaded backfield Ismami has
been very good when he gets touches this season. Keddrick
Greson knows a nice change of pace back that delivers
the boom for the running back group. I think it's
just who's the hotthand in that situation, yes it was Craig,
but you know, Ishmael was running the ball pretty effectively
between the tackles as well for Arizona. So you know,

(48:18):
just situational situational things there, and you got to give
it to all three backs.

Speaker 6 (48:22):
What about the right side passing the right side.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
Passing, Yeah, it is easier for him to go on
that side, so you're not going to have him roll
out on the other side because then you're kind of
going against his momentum. Some of the I think a
lot of that was timing. Those are timing routes, Those
are timing throws, and you're not necessarily scanning the field.
And just really good defensive play calls by Kansas to

(48:47):
make sure that they had to drop zone coverage there.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Thanks for calling, Appreciate it all right, call us a
couple of weeks.

Speaker 6 (48:58):
Yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
No.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
No, the attendance, well, I think you're gonna have that
debate until you die, right, forty thousand, they say forty one,
say one I'll give them thirty three. Okay, thirty three,
and that's kind of been consistent with the whole season.
We talked about this because we're in San Diego three
years ago when they played San Diego State, right, uh,
the stadium brand new, spanking new.

Speaker 6 (49:22):
A'd be ideal for Tucson. Thirty eight, I think it is.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
Yeah, I think forty forty, forty forty two. I think
I think if you're if you got a forty two,
it's there's a chance of selling that maybe out alocked.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
But then when attendance drops there, then what's well.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
You see what I'm saying, Like, that's like when you
have the sixty fourteen tournament, Well you can win sixty
eight and then seventy sixty nine, seventy. Of course we
were doing with football. How many we're gonna stop? I think,
but Tucson has historically unless it's crazy good, and that's rare.
It's fifty rare to see fifty forty eight, right wheel

(49:59):
losses like forty to forty two.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
Yeah. Yeah, for me, it's tough because it's tough to
judge because I grew up in the Mic Stoops era.
When Macvic had just been fired and they were still
putting butts in the seats. What was the difference, That's
what I'm wondering, what's the.

Speaker 6 (50:16):
Differ one has? No one has any nobody has.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
An answer to that. Macvic Terrible Coach Stoops took it
over and it took like three years to at least
go six and six and they were still putting a
lot of people in the seats. It wasn't as scarce.
And then for some reason once rich Rod came in,
which I think one of the main reasons is they
got rid of the family section and moved it up
to nosebleedth and jacked up the tickets because we used

(50:41):
to have scenes and tickets back then. It kind of
got scarce for people, and then it ever since that
that era, it's been slim pickings in terms of trying
to get people in attendance.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Who's the first memory for you you're twenty two is
shrak Yeah, and you said, okay, this is cool.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
My first game I love telling the story was actually
the twenty eleven U c L A game where you
have that fake ref run into the field, he starts
streaking on the other side of the field.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
You have.

Speaker 5 (51:13):
The two teams going at it and all out, ball
bench is clear, and I said, wow, this is pretty cool.
I'm going to start coming to these now.

Speaker 7 (51:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (51:20):
So mine, Mine was kind of a lightning strike once
type of story because that obviously doesn't happen every game,
but it got me hooked on this is a different
Yeah eleven, that was fourteen years I was. I think
that was the game right after Stoops got on fired.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
Yeah, that was Tim Kish's first game.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
Okay, and Arizona put up forty two in the first Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Yeah, didn't they have a They didn't have a game day, right, No,
whose game day?

Speaker 4 (51:48):
There was a game day? Was Ucla with rich Rod?

Speaker 3 (51:52):
That wasn't the streaker you were talking about the streaker? Yeah,
remember the streaker? That what you're talking about? There was
There was another one.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
They've been a good tice, the twenty fifteen against Ucla
in two thousand and nine.

Speaker 6 (52:03):
Organ that's what I'm talking The fifteen fifteen.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
Where they just got umbled from the start.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
Right right, It was a hot start from the offense.
You know, they go down score on the first drive
and stadium's rocking. You're thinking, wow, Arizona may have turned
to corner.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
The biggest absolutely not the biggest solution to them to
get people win, win and win consistently.

Speaker 6 (52:22):
That's the obvious choice.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
I agree, But then what's the excuse for rich Rod
that's come three, eight and five.

Speaker 6 (52:33):
They showed up?

Speaker 3 (52:34):
I mean they showed up a little, didn't they not
really then two soun sucks. That's right, that's your solution. No, no,
I'm joking, of course again that's Steve Rivera. No, no, yeah,
that's you know, they expect that from me. Well, look
the defense rest your honor if that's the case, because
it's been that way for years.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Yeah. No, I'm just because you're and it's like, well
then you know, I don't know what to do.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
I mean, obviously need to do the ads in the
promotion of the people. They brought people specifically for that,
and they still don't have the idea.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
They've done sales, they've done this, they've done that.

Speaker 6 (53:07):
You got to go. Thanks, Thanks,