Hour 1- November 13, Michael Lev

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And good have to do and everybody. Welcome to Iron
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Here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. I'm
a little tired Steve Rivero running up and down. Today's guest.
We got Jay John. How are you doing, Jay?

Speaker 2 (00:42):
You're doing just fine, Steve doing fine. Yeah. If I
follow that on collapse, don't touch me. I have a due.
I had to run. I had to run.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Welcome to the show, Welcome back. Sounds like you're my
Thursday guy. I'm okay with that.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Wh Yeah, I will. I will say.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
My dad used to say he is the older he
got the faster the day, faster the days went.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
And I'm he's not lying. I said yesterday, right. It's
just it's amazing how fast time goes.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yes, I think we're gonna have a special show today,
a good one. We're gonna have Michael leb here in
the first hour. Then talk to a guy we've had
on the show before, one of your buddies, mister Frank Bush.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yes, one of the you know I.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Was thinking this yesterday when you and I communicated as
I catch my breath, uh rout rush for only allows
four people, Right, it's tough. If Kendrea, if Loot, you
have coach Kendall, you have a lot of people.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
A lot of people, and does he make the cut?
I would have to say, yes, well I am who
am I missing? You know you can go, you can
go through it. And you know, it depends what depends
what you feel about, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
With sport, the sports, the sport, or even.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
A certain era in terms of just I mean, I
grew up in Tucson and I'm I remember losing to
use to Arizona State and football eighteen out of twenty years. Yeah, okay,
and how everything changed when you know Jim Young and
frend Stone got here and gave a vision a vision.
Now Fred probably doesn't get get up there on the thing.

(02:28):
But it's again, it's a conversation about the stages of
view of Arizona athletics, you know, in terms of visit
possible for us to to flex the muscles and those
people in Tampee, No, you're not good enough. We're better
than you. That happened here, that did happen here right.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Well, in fact, Bob Elliott, who you had earlier this week,
but he said this in the past in his book,
Lout would not have found the success he had here
without a Fred Snowd.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Correct. Uh, do you tell me why.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
I'll be just because you either. By the time you
got to the eighties, there was there. Things were kind
of starting to change. You know, you get to eighty
four and now you have I don't know what the
actual out of Definer, but there was a change in
college football in nineteen eighty four where now all of
a sudden, football didn't fully answer under NC two A
in terms of TV rights, So things were starting to

(03:20):
change with TV rights. In eighty three, you finally go
to sixty four teams in the tournament, you know, so
you know the idea back in seventy six when Wildcas
go to the lead eight Yeah, you know, I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
I may be wrong. Was it forty eight teams? Was
or sixteen? I think it was thirtty two?

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Okay, right, so and you're facing ULA, yeah, correct, But
in along that time, ESPN shows up in seventy nine
and changes everything. I'm in college at the time, and
I said oh, you mean there's sports on TV twenty
four to seven. Now, we all watched our fill of
whatever the sport was that they played out of Australia.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
That we had to watch whatever.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
Yet but nonetheless things changed, and so I would agree
because you know, some of these things that happened with
Arizona sports in the late seventies, you know, with baseball, football,
basketball was like it became a we can't do thing
versus like, you know, we're punching above our weight.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
You know. So where were you in eighty three?

Speaker 4 (04:17):
I just finished my second year of teaching and coaching,
or a third year of teaching of coaching, but my
second four year teaching and coaching at South Point Catholic.
And that was eighty three was the year that I
summer that I left for my first opportunity in college
basketball to go to Jamestown, New York.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Okay, so you went to Jamestown, Arizona Hire's loot and
what are you thinking.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
I'll tell you what I'm thinking.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
I've been watching enough basketball to know that that was
a complete game changer.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
I am out of the blue problem. I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
Yeah, you know, and at that time I was twenty
four years old and I'd just come from driving to.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
The Final four in New Mexico.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
I looked at that environment and I said, I'm gonna
figure out how to do that. I actually walked into
Coach Olson's office after the Final four and I'll never
he got hired. Announcement was March twenty ninth, nineteen eighty three,
and so then you got a Final four and I
come back and I just I'm being bold, brash, whatever.
I go into the office and ask if I could
have five minutes with coach Olsen and he has just arrived. Shockingly,

(05:20):
he gave me five minutes and I just told him,
I you know how excited I was. I was a
local high school coach, was juve grad, Tucson native, and coach,
if you have a job on your staff right now?
And he says, well, I'm just hired John Bella Brada
to be my g A the time, I would have said, coach,
can I be a volunteer? I didn't think about it

(05:42):
at the time, but that being said, you know, coach
just said to me. He walked me down the hallway,
introduced me to Scott Thompson. Scott became a mentor for me,
and coach said, if you're not here at basketball camp,
work in our camp next year in summer of eighty four,
I'm going to be upset. I want to see you here.
So that's how that kind of.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
So you went anywhere you went, and you came back
for that. I came back for the summer.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, heck, yeah, you had no choice.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Oh no, and yet I'm from here, right, and so
I'm going to come back. But it was like, no,
I was drinking a kool aid from from the minute
when when your coach got hired.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
That was that was a shock to me.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
I can remember watching the I loved watching his Iowa teams,
you know, and uh so, yeah, that was obviously a
big deal for the of A.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Well, it's funny because I said the same to you
last week when you were telling me all these stories.
And I wasn't blowing smoke because you're in.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Front of you.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
But you've got a lot of savvy to you, and
you know, you pointed yourself in the right direction for opportunities.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I don't know if enough people do that today. Well,
I I.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
Can't speak to how everybody else looks at stuff, but
but I will say that I learned a lot of
wisdom from my father and and I also was was
told I was better, uh better to be listening, better
to listen, and then to just talk all the time.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
And so that was just something I saw opportunity in
in some areas.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
And I've got other stories that support the same thing
with Coach Olson, where I'd met people that that helped
me get to start to uh and and you know
that kind of well, for me, I just call it
self awareness. But I knew when I saw somebody that
it would be important to get to know this person,
not that they can help me, but I want to

(07:27):
be around you.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Never know, you never know, you never know.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
That kind of happened to me when I was in
nineteen eighty four in a different way. I was twenty
years old summer intern. Somebody noticed me and I said hello,
how are you blah blah blah, and.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Lo and behold. Months later he remembered me and gave
me a job with Summer Intern.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Well, one of the things I've shared with young people
is that you when you're in school or you're in
maybe an internship or something, if you adults, adults don't
necessarily have to have to pay attention to if you're there,
if they're your teacher. Okay, but they have teachers have
so many kids come through come through that if they

(08:04):
pay some special attention to you, you know, then you
get to know them a little bit better. Yeah, because
they may write you a letter of recommendation. They may,
they may, you know that type of thing, word of
mouth on your behalf.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Well, you're you were a teacher, right, that's that you
got a degree. I mean, if the teacher or the
parent doesn't get on you, he probably doesn't have or
see a future in you. You know what I'm saying.
It's like Luke, I'm in every other good coach. If
he's on you, he's on you because he sees potential
in you. You know, be home you know, if you're
the dad, be homely eleven, no exceptions, YadA, YadA. It's

(08:39):
because he loves you. When he's telling you this. You know,
kids may or may not pay attention. But if he's
not on your butt, okay, let him do whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, I would agree with that.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
I don't know, you know, I don't know that there's
a college coach in any sport that didn't have some
level of good coaching and good playing environments as they
were young, so you kind of learn and you kind
of learned like, you know, this was good for me.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, this person got on me. They pushed me. You
know the number of times.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
You talk about when you're in basketball and you're running
up and down and you're like, why am I doing this?

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yes, he's doing this right.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
And then it's over with and you realize that you
were just being in a whim, you know, and this
is this is these things necessary?

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Right? Well?

Speaker 3 (09:23):
You that's that's that's that's saying. You know, my my
my dad got smarter as I got older. That that
part of it, you know. And there's also there's that
other one. I can't remember it right now, but it'll
come to me. And then there was something yesterday I
think by Bettino and he used this hour glass. I
don't know if you saw that on the internet on Twitter.

(09:45):
He you know, would demonstrate with the kids or the students,
student athletes that he played for that played for him, Uh,
have an hour glass, right, and he turned it over.
You got an hour so they practice blah blah blah,
went back to it and it was out. It was
done right, an hour, and he said, this is your care.
It goes by fast. Enjoy your time because for many

(10:05):
of you, your time is limited because you know that
how many guys did you coach and how many guys
have futures in that game?

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Not many?

Speaker 4 (10:16):
It what what a profound uh visual example of what
you're talking about when it is you know, because that's
just that's just the thing to.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Be an athlete at the at the collegiate level.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
And and the and the and the pro level, there's
many many lonely moments where your your your your your
biggest enemy is your own self talk. And so you know,
in the in the why and the push, and that's
when you you see when you finally hear somebody that
that's retired, that's when they can't reconcile the effort any longer,
you know. And it's like if if you be honest

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with yourself, and that's a single that's a really big
thing for any athlete, and that's hard to attain. Those
that can be honest with themselves will actually be able
to set the expectations where they need to be, you know.
And if you lie to yourself, then you're just going
to end up being miserable because you don't.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Know what you're why as you don't know why you're doing.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
It right, right, Welcome to the Doctor J John Show
here on Fox Sports Sports.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
You're prompting me pretty well. No, I like that stuff.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
I love talking philosophy because we all have different philosophies
or perspectives on things, perceptions on things, because they're totally different. Right,
we all grew up differently. And but but you're influenced
by people like you talked about your dad, your former
coaches last week, or the ones you were assistant under,
and you kind of all grab certain things from it.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
And who are your assistants? Who were your top assistants? Well,
my my top assistant.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
I didn't have assistant coach turnover to Oregon State, so
I had well asked not to the one light year
one guy.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
So Kevin Mutan was my was my top assistant.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
And I had Jeff Reiner for five years, Jerry Francis
from Ohio State for one year, and Brian Lloyd was
with me for six years. And so you know these
guys were these guys were really good guys. And and uh, Kevin,
I knew when when I first got to Oregon eighty
five eighty six. He was a freshman there and he
transferred after that season and he's going to go back

(12:17):
to juco in in uh in Bay Area. And then
I ended up getting the you know, I was at
Jamestown two different times, assistant for two years, then at
Oregon for one year, then back to the head coaching position.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
And when I when I got the head coaching position
at the junior college in New York, Kevin Kevin came
to play for me, uh out there. So just a
really good relationship with him before before we go. And
everyone knows I kind of don't work off a script.
I just kind of whatever talks pops into my head.
So we talk about it. So you're five years at
Oregon State.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Many of them answered this question through there, what's been
your shining moment?

Speaker 4 (12:53):
Shining moment? Well, I would say is, I'd say is
as a head coach. You know, it's it's it's it's
an interesting question because I'm gonna probably go a little
bit further than you think. Uh in years. In year
three when I took the job, they hadn't had a
winning season since Gary Payton.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
Okay, Yeah, so in two thousand and two, and so
going into our third year, you know, we did we
did have.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Our winning season.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
We were twelve and one at home, we were eight
and we won eight home games in conference.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
We went to the n A T.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
We were you know, they didn't they didn't have all
these conversations about bubble teams so much.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
We were a bubble team. We did.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
Oh that was Arizona's twenty oh five final four. I mean,
e lead eight and but we other than Arizona, we'd
beaten everybody in the league. We'd beaten U C l
A twice, so we had enough quality wins. Yeah, but
we went we got to the n A T and
so you know that was you know, a new contract
and all of them.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
That was that was good, top half of the league.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
And then then the next year, the next year we
had there was actually a window where I thought we'd
gotten to the top of the mountain. We'd beaten Arizona
at Oregon State and uh, I remember that. But then
unfortunately I had a four year starter at guard at
point guard, and he got hurt in the next game,
didn't play the rest of the season. And that, you know,
that's something as a coach it's across you. You have

(14:14):
to you have to bear and a wear because when
you are trying to build programs, your depth is always
depth is always.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Your issue, you know, and so it just it crumbles
us a little bit.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
But anyway that those those things there, and obviously as
an assistant coach, you know, being here at the U
of A and going to the final four.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, you know, great times, great times. Okay, with that,
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Experts, breaking down all the axes and ohs. This is
I on the Ball with Steve Rivera on Box Sports
fourteen fifty.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Hey, welcome back to High on the Ball here on
Fox Sports fourteen fifty, Young Steve Rivera, your J John
and I think on the phone. Now we have Michael
lemb from the Daily Star. You there, Michael, I don't
know if he's on there.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
He's not. Michael you there? Oh he's calling again. We'll
call one more time. Michael you there, Michael you there?
What's going on here? Michael? Michael? Can you hear me?
Can you hear me? Michael?

Speaker 11 (19:49):
I can?

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Oh? You can? Can you now?

Speaker 11 (19:53):
I can?

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Super good? Good, good, good to hear from you. I'm
running the board, as you can tell. J. John as
my co host today. Uh, we're kind of just watxing poetic.
Do you have a shining moment? Do you have a
shining moment.

Speaker 11 (20:11):
Like specific to like a certain sports like we're talking
like NCAA tournament signing moment?

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Or you have to weigh a story, you have to
wait a story. You've been in this business a long
time and you said, you know what I really liked
this story. It's gonna it's gonna make a difference or whatever.

Speaker 11 (20:30):
I mean, there's there's, there's so many there. I've written
so many stories, Steve that I can't even remember sometimes
what I've written, and I might stumble upon something every
once in a while I'm like, oh, yeah, I totally
forgot about that. But yeah, I man, just in the

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last like year or so, there have been some memorable.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Ones for me, give me one, give me one, give
me one.

Speaker 11 (21:01):
Okay, I will give you one. And I'm looking up
right now. I wrote about Bailey Bitch. She is an
adaptive golfer oh year and two songs who has all
sorts of like medical issues, and she was just a

(21:25):
terming young woman like I am going to learn how
to play golf and I'm going to play really well.
And then she won the US Adaptive Open in twenty
twenty four, and I think she's finished second or third
this past year. And super inspirational story. And I was
happy to be able to share that one.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
I remember she came after you wrote that story. I
had her on maybe two or three days later. Very
nice young woman. I think she's sixteen or something, fifteen.
I can remember thirteen, but very hon No.

Speaker 11 (21:55):
She's like in her No, she's in her early twenties.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Oh okay, then that's it is the same person I
know you're talking about. Thought she was your Yeah, okay, no.

Speaker 11 (22:02):
No, she had She has some you know, so a
lot of stuff going on. I thinks that I'd never
heard of before. And she requires, you know, like crutches
to move around and you know, coach to help her
line up her shots. But she's, like I said, very determined.
And she also conducts clinics I think over at the

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driving range at Randolph or other adaptive golfers. So you know,
she's also about like helping others to like feel those
same feelings that she's able to on the golf course.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Before we move on, I want to ask you, you're
gonna have to work some magic if you are now
the occasional beat writer or the accidental beat writer for
the women's basketball team.

Speaker 11 (22:46):
This is true. This is true. This has thrown a
bit of a wrinkle into my schedule, but you know,
figuring out a way to make it work.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
There.

Speaker 11 (22:56):
There are a lot of football college football beat writers
across the country also cover men's basketball at their school
I'd say probably the majority of them. We have sort
of a weird or even unique situation here in Tucson, where,
you know, men's basketball is such a good deal that
we kind of have to have someone on it full time,
and that is Bruce Pasco. We had some you know,

(23:17):
unfortunate changes made in our department that left avoid on
the women's basketball front, and I'm doing my best to
pick up the slack over there.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, how has it been so far?

Speaker 11 (23:31):
It's been fine. I had to go out of town
unexpectedly last week, so I missed the season opener. But
Becky Burke has been pretty easy to deal with for
the most part. She's she's well spoken, she wants to
promote the program, so I think she understands the value
uh in doing that. She inherited a good situation as

(23:55):
far as support goes. But she also has, you know,
has to win some people over for two who are
very loyal to the previous head coach and Thedia Barnes.
And I think the way that she's doing that is
by putting out a product where the girls just play
really hard all the time, even if they're not maybe
as talented as some recent Wildcat teams, So I expect

(24:17):
them to keep winning against a pretty light preseason schedule.
You know, how they'll fare in the Big twelve that
remains to be seen. That is going to be a
huge step up in terms of the quality of competition
compared to what they're seeing right now and in the
coming weeks.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
So, yeah, Michael and so day John here on this.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Yeah, not being fully familiar with the Arizona basketball over
the past couple of years, Arizona women's basketball over the
past couple of years, having been in the sports sports
supervisor for thirteen sports at Cal, not women's basketball, but
what I learned with some of my other women's sports
from Cal going to the ACC the transition, the PAC

(24:59):
twelve teams were far superior. Is so far with Arizona
women's basketball going in the Big twelve compared to the
PAC twelve, is there?

Speaker 2 (25:10):
How is that competition, that competitive.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Level between what was once the PAC twelve and now
the PAC Big twelve.

Speaker 11 (25:18):
Yeah, I mean, I would say that the PAC twelve
and women's basketball was considered the best conference in the land,
if not the best, It was right there with the SEC,
which of course, you know, became a lot better when
Texas joined the SEC that really boosted things. I would

(25:39):
say the biggest difference between the two is just in
terms of depths. You know, there's sixteen teams in the
Big Twelve that they all play women's basketball, and you're
just not going to get like that super high quality
opponent one through sixteen, right, I mean, there might be

(26:00):
a couple of schools out there where you can probably
win without being at your best. I don't really want
to pick on anyone, but you know, Houston U S
f uh, they probably are a couple that fall into
that category this year. I'm not assuming anything because you know,

(26:23):
this is a rebuilt Arizona roster and they're figuring things
out as they go, and they you know, don't have
a ton of you know, Power conference players that they
brought in from the transfer portal. So yeah, I would
see the biggest difference between the two would be just
the depth.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
I can see that being an issue because with a
number of other sports you know in California that I supervised,
the competition for athlete in California is so vast, and
so when you when you are you know, part of
the pack. Part of the Big Twelve certainly is in
cold weather, and part of it's not right. But you know,
if you're Kansas, Kansas State, you're still in old weather
and so nobody wants to be indoors all the time.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Right.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
So the high school basketball for the women is very good.
I always stay high school basketball is very gonna be
very good and so, but I know in California that
that female athlete maybe pulled different directions to play because
you can, you know, you can play a sport all
year and some of those other other other sports options
that kids girls would have in high school.

Speaker 11 (27:26):
Yeah, it's interesting. You know, they're just getting started here
as far as recruiting goes, right, But I don't think
any of the four recruits that they signed yesterday for
women's basketball from California. There's one from Arizona, Calie Hinder,

(27:48):
but she's actually from Australia, and I think the other
three are East Coast or you know, mid Atlantic. So
you know, that's kind of more of Becky Burk's background.
It'll be interesting to see moving forward whether that changes, uh,
you know, as she kind of plants roots here on

(28:10):
the West Coast. I think it was a wise move
on her part to hire ju Lead Brad hair Grove
as an assistant, someone who is well known in these
parts and gives them, uh, you know, a little more
of a West Coast presence. Also, Ashley owed them on
the staff has been working in Texas for pretty much

(28:32):
her entire coaching career. That's another area where I think
that I think it's gonna be super important from a
recruiting standpoint, not only for women's basketball, but for all
Arizona sports as long as they're part of the Big
twelve one.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Hundred percent in alignment with you there, you've got to
try to get the best young ladies from Arizona and
Texas has got to be in Texas, got to be
your place.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah, real quick, Michael. We had you guy Chip Hill
Halo last week. Jay John is you know, close with
Chip and we spent some time with them. Have you
ever just had a conversation with him, you know, off
the record or whether imote notebook or no, no recorder
on and because you haven't made covering him in baseball
and I said this, I said this to you last

(29:14):
time when you were on. I think it's no surprise
people want to play for him because he's an affable dude.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Self effacing at times and just kind of like a dude.

Speaker 12 (29:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (29:23):
I have definitely have had several conversations with Chip that
were off the record, and usually it's like not even
about you know, you of a baseball it's about other
stuff that's going on. You know, my son is a
member of a high school baseball team here, so we'll
just you know, talk about high school baseball scene in

(29:46):
Tucson just as one example, and things of that nature.
He is very well liked by the players and their families,
and it is not difficult to understand why that is
the case because, as you mentioned, he's a pretty easy
going guy. He's very professional. He's dealt with, you know,

(30:11):
all athletes from you know, multi millionaires to you know,
incoming freshmen now, and he understands that, you know, you
can't like be a maniac if you're a baseball coach
or player, right Like, it's such a it's such a
long grind back to it that inning to inning, game

(30:34):
to game you have to kind of maintain and even
keel and no look. Ship has definitely been frustrated at
times after losses, as all coaches are, but I think
he understands that you have to kind of keep the
big picture in mind that you know, oftentimes you're playing
the very next day, right, so you can't let it linger.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Well, there's no doubt about that.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
With respect to and you know, I you know, obviously
there's an Arizona lum and I'm you know, I'm you know,
coaching out of town at the time, but I know
right where I was in nineteen eighty six watching that
watching that team fight through the loser's bracket to get
to get that national championship. So but I was when
I was at col We tried to hire Chip, you know,
as as as a coach, and he at that particular

(31:21):
time was working with Bob Melvin with the A's. But
for him, and it turns out being very apprescient move
for him, he says, no, it's not the right time
for me. And now he's got himself a World Series
ring from his time with the Nationals. But when you
talk about having being able to play the long game
and at the same time being able to have your
personality play the long game, he can.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
He can do that.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
And you know, now you're dealing with fifty five sixty
games versus one hundred and sixty two and change, you know,
but again he's good for he's good for young men.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
You know.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
I know it's an overstated statement many times that baseball's
game of failure, but it's it's again to have a
coach who's upbeat, that can can you know, be able
to let you know, you know, just you know, can
read the room, you read the room with his team,
and they've they've demonstrated how the bounce back at the
u of a baseball over four years, that that they're connected.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (32:17):
Yeah, he's he landed in a perfect spot, like just
at the right time of his career, the place he
wanted to be. He loves this university. He's done a
good job, he and his staff of getting some donor
contributions to help grade the facilities over at High Corbett
and their moved to the Big twelve has been kind

(32:39):
of interesting. I'd say the Pac twelve and Big twelve
it's not kind of about equal or so in baseball,
but hey, man, Arizona really proves itself last year by
you know, going down to UH Texas and winning the
Big Twelve championship. They have been really good in those
postseason tournaments, both the twelve and the big twelve, And

(33:01):
I think that has a lot to do with Chip
Hill's ability to you know, kind of keep them pointed
in the right direction throughout a long season full of
ups and downs and and all sorts of adversity that
they're going to face along the way.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Let's transition into another guy who's who loves the to
some area, loves the U of A and did well
for himself over the weekend, and that's Brennan. What do
you think about What do you think about that? And
maybe getting the monkey off his back one and two
moving forward?

Speaker 11 (33:34):
Yeah, super important for him and the program to get
to that six win threshold. Of course, that was kind
of the preseason goal that I had in mind for them,
was to you know, somehow get to six and six. Well,
you know, they were four and one. Now there's six
and three. I'd say, you know, you don't want to
be satisfied with that, and seven wins is very realistic

(34:00):
possibility at this point. I really like how he himself
said in the locker room, like sixteen enough for me,
you know, like very quickly pivoting to what was ahead
for them. Yeah, I think he has gotten himself with
a lot of help good hires, hitting on a lot

(34:22):
of guys in the portal. It's gotten himself in a
much better position here at Uba and I think he's
even starting to win over some of the fans who've
been very skeptical of him. Wow, he bought himself some goodwill.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
I have one hundred cent agree. And we had a
conversation a couple of weeks ago about, you know, football
football team coming after I can't remember which which game
it was, we were talking about Houston Houston game. Yeah,
and so you know, quite honestly, watching the Kansas game
that I was out of town, but watching the second half,
and you just watch a tough you watch the toughness

(34:55):
in the team. And it's something I noticed earlier because
you know, after a couple of exchange and field goals,
there's some u but you know, Arizona needed to keep
making stops. You needed to keep making stops and then
and then you know there then trust the offense is
going to find a way, and you know, and and
they did. I mean from a win perspective, that's one
of those ones that that's a program win, that's growth,

(35:16):
that's a growth win. And I am being in the
Bay area and and following you know, coach Brennan at
at San Jose State. You know, it's a very to me,
it's a very similar thing with your roster relative to
the rosters that you're competing against.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
The Arizona roster. It's there.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
There's some areas that they would like to be better
and have some more depth. However, you know, every game
you play, every every every snap you have is important,
you know, versus the competition.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
That you have. So you have to you have to
give a level effort.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
And I know the coach Brennan's Coach Brennan's teams did
that at San Jose State when you're going on road
to Boise and you're you're, you're, you're, you're playing at Fresno,
you're playing at Colorado State.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
You were you you were.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
He's used to that grind and working with teams and
how to let's go we we can't let up type
of thing. And and so, you know, knock on wood
for them, because I would agree with you. Seven always
sounds better than six, are you.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Six seven six seven?

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Right?

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Six seven six seven?

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Hey, let's move on real quick to basketball now, Okay, Tommy,
Tommy's got his team going, you know, the good wins
so far.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Now UCLA comes in.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
You're a former LA guy working out there, what do
you think this weekend or tomorrow?

Speaker 11 (36:26):
Actually, yeah, I mean good cast. I love the schedule
that Tommy has put together for the preseason. I mean
there's a bunch of marquee games on there. Then there's
also kind of you know, some mid major type teams
that they're facing at home, and you know, those are

(36:47):
the games where they can kind of work out the
kinks in between these kind of mega matchups. This is
a super talented Arizona team, like and you see different
guys emerging every night, Like, man that defensive sequence from
Karchenkov the other night, we're still kind of like swiped

(37:08):
out of steel up at a three point line and
then block the shot, and Dwayne Aristote hitting six three
pointers after really not doing that much in the first
handful of games. I think Brayden Burry's is still finding
his way, UH and they're still winning, you know, without
him being at his best. So it's gonna be a

(37:28):
really fun and fascinating team to watch, whether it's UH
against u C. L A or you know, upcoming games
that they've got Yukon and Auburn in Alabama and San
Diego State, they will they will be well prepared for
the Big Twelve this season, just as they were last year.

(37:51):
I think you have to go into that league having
been tested, right. You cannot just play a bunch of upcakes,
because you'll get your doors blown off, especially with the
way things are now, like so many players are coming
back to school because of nil. It's just it's elevated

(38:12):
the level of play across the sport. So you're gonna
like you're going to get a tough match up every
single night in men's basketball in the Big Twelve, which
is probably by consensus, the best conference in the country.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Okay, with that, Michael, appreciate your time, have a good weekend.

Speaker 11 (38:33):
Thanks Ellas, see you next time.

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Speaker 2 (42:36):
I'm Steve Rivera, your Jay John. It's good to tect
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Speaker 3 (42:40):
So you mentioned something before we got a hold of
Michael and I want to talk about basketball too, because
we're there at the tomorrow. You're a coach, former coach,
a long time assistant. You know a lot of coaches.
You see press conferences, you see how they handle their
media at times. How many, if I give you one

(43:02):
hundred coaches you use this phrase? And I thought this
would be a good question. How many of them do
you think can read the room? Or are they too too?
You know, here focused and I'm using the you know,
the proverbial just here in front of their face. You
don't know what I'm saying because there it's a basketball,
basketball basketball. When you have other things going on, well

(43:24):
obviously you know.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
The defining piece to that is what are the other pieces,
okay that are going on? And my response to that
would be because things things do you do get into
a zone, okay, and you know a number of coaches
that I've talked to.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
I experienced it after six years.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
You know, I've heard people say, you know, I was
a different coach than who I was when I started,
And that's just kind of what what can happen?

Speaker 2 (43:56):
You know, And so.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
The biggest thing within staffing is you've got to hire
somebody who's not who's kind of seeing a little bit above,
you know, the day to day stuff that consumes your subconscience.
You know, you you know, many times you know you're
sleeping and all of a sudden, you know, you wake
up and you're like, okay, now this is how we
got to attack that zone, or I forgot to work

(44:21):
on our press breaker. You know, they're all those kinds
of things that go on. You have somebody that's that's
looking at things from a different view. They could come
to you and say, listen, I know this and this,
but we got to think about that. And so because
it is to read the room at any particular situation,
you know, it requires you know, requires communication within your staff.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Can everybody see something a little bit different?

Speaker 3 (44:45):
And nowadays back it was foreign to me twenty years ago,
ten years ago, I guess they don't have gms. In football,
they have gms now right to handle things off the field,
off the court gms, and they have other guys handlers.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
YadA YadA. Basketball too, Did you guys have them?

Speaker 10 (45:05):
No?

Speaker 4 (45:05):
But I think what you had before is you certainly
had not everybody could be on the floor of the coach.
So you started seeing more special assistants to the head coaches. Okay,
you know, and those roles where you know that person
is not on the floor, but they have the experience
to be able to see I've been through this before, okay.
And you know, one of the things when you're when
you're a full time assistant, you know you spend your time.

(45:28):
You know, you've got your position group that you got
to keep you got to keep moving. You still have
your scouts that you got to keep rolling on, and
then you still have your recruiting stuff. So even you
as an assistant coach, you don't really have that that
thing too when you had When you have a former
head coach or somebody that's in a slot that doesn't
really have any of those day to day responsibilities, they're
able to see things a little bit more the global view.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
So okay, hey, you're on the Air nine of the ball.
Who's this? Hey?

Speaker 12 (45:55):
See this is that Gary? First of all, off is
the last football game of a year, going to.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Go up against once again the tour day Tusson.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
No, that's next weekend, good questions. As for calling it,
you're almost like a plant for me, thank you. We
don't even know it's next week in his old tour
the twenty second, here's the side part. We don't even
know the time next week. That's gonna throw.

Speaker 12 (46:16):
Right, and you know it's attendance. But we've kind of
gone up against bad luck. I mean, I'm hoping either
afternoon or yes or night. You know, if it goes
up against it the day game, that's gonna what knock
out five thousand people there?

Speaker 2 (46:28):
I would think, Well, I'm.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Not too sure. I think we have different audiences. But
but good point. We're hoping. And Jay and Jay and
I were talking about this before the show that I'm
hoping it's after five, five, six or seven hoping. But
you know what, no one cares even you know, no
one cares except for the TV people. You know, well,
they've waited. They waited ten days so far, almost nine

(46:50):
days so far. I guess we're gonna announce it on Saturday.
Here's the problem is the traffic.

Speaker 12 (46:56):
Yes, that's what I was worried about. The day game
is going to be an even even five o'clock will
be a little iffy.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Let's hope for a.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Cold night game last one year, like seventy two, like
seventy two degrees.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yeah, And have you.

Speaker 12 (47:10):
Guys heard the rumor I'm hearing Jedfish is either sick
of Washington, Washington's sick of Jedfish, or maybe a little
of both.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Already I think two things can be true at the
same time, right, But but you know, he's well, he's
saying the right things. He's he loves it there, he's
gonna have the future there. But he said the same
thing here. So we're gonna have to wait and see.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Well, I'm going to toss in them not really knowing
coach Fish at all, but you know they're you know,
they're competing and they're battling at Washington. But you know
it's from where his background has been and where he
has you know, worked in. But there's so many jobs going,
you know, going the other direction. Yeah, that that might
be something that they're interested in him, you know, And

(47:52):
they Yeah, then that just maybe something that's like a
better opportunity.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
And you know, you asked the question for a reason
because Florida is open, U c. L A Is all open,
and there are other openings and and you.

Speaker 12 (48:03):
Follow was here was was was Pete Carroll's son?

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Was it Brandon Carroll coordinator?

Speaker 12 (48:09):
Yes, he went to the Vegas did his he went
now with Vegas?

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, Raiders, he went to it with his dad.

Speaker 12 (48:14):
Yeah, my goodness, that's an S show. But that's for
that's for a whole different time.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Yeah, thanks for having my head in the buzzer.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Thanks for calling.

Speaker 12 (48:23):
No, I know better, all right, general, thank I just
wanted to try to find some of those things that
that's why I called the.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Expert, right, great, well, thank you, thank you. That's a fact.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
That's the first I'm an expert. I don't know about that.
I just talked on the radio, tried to talk on
the radio. Uh okay, So we talked ended that. We
got about four minutes. So let's go quickly about the
UA basketball and we'll talk more about it on the
other side as well.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Your observations through the early games.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Well, again, I would I would completely agree with Michael
lev And when he said earlier about the scheduling, I
do you know the Florida game that that's that thing
just comes okay, so somebody push together team you find
two people that are interested in playing, okay. And but
that that was that allowed a team to perform in
a major environment, and you know, there was there was

(49:10):
productivity and you had some things happen. It's like, okay,
we got promise here. You know this is gonna be good,
you know, And then you had a couple other games
where you can, you know, you can you can spread
the minutes out and let people get organized. You know,
freshmen are going to develop and fits and starts. It's
and you're not it's going to take a while for
all four to to you know, perform in a level

(49:31):
where you caness tell it.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Comfortable before you go on beyond that.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Because I know historically and covering the teams that have covered,
at some point along the way, maybe not the first month,
second one, they hit a wall and maybe it's not
expected or whatever, but it happens, right.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
It does It does happen.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
And and again, what what's the benefit about the structure
that's there zona roster right now? Is you have you
do have four veteran players, okay, and so that.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
That that that there's there.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
Those guys are the ones that are able to you know,
they've got to put their arm around them or a little,
you know, a little push in the back say no,
you can't quit now, you know type of thing, because
compcio is going to continue to come. But you have
those old voices that have been there, been there, done that. Yeah,
and so you know they can come back and say,
there's nothing more powerful to be to tell somebody just

(50:20):
kind of going through the the length of a season,
say we need you, we need you you and and
so those are those are words that that not often
an athlete always hears, right, and so.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
What about this?

Speaker 3 (50:34):
It's okay to fail because at some point they will.
And then you have your veterans like you talk about,
who says, don't worry, we got your back and we'll
we'll we'll improve until you guys recover.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Agree because those people with experience, okay, those four that
have experienced a listen, but let me tell you something
that I went through, okay, and you know what got
me out of it?

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Says it was just the.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
Other guys on the table, right, and that's what we're
that's what we're here, okay. And and and so you know,
those those that's the kind of stuff. They've got a
good they've got a good roster structure, okay, and the
experiences in the right places, you know. And and but
you know, for the ups and downs that do occur,
the four those four returners, I think they're all seniors.

(51:23):
Try to keep track anymore what everybody is. I said,
but there's so many games under their belt those and
they're good and are good okay, And I know everybody's
paying attention to the development of the freshman, but I'm
paying attention to the development of the other four, which
is great because they if they keep getting better, then
they will continue to pull the will continue to pull
the young guys with them, you know. And and uh

(51:46):
so you know, and especially with with with Jed and Bradley,
I mean, this is the best opportunity he's had in.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
His career to actually have it be my team.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Let me let me throw this at you because you
coached for a long time. I was the game on Monday,
I think it's Monday or so, whatever day was, and
somebody pulled me aside her. We talking and he says,
you know, the one thing about this team, and because
it's you know, grape vine stuff inside that they all
like each other one and two, they get along three
and it's it's one nice unit. And I'm sure in

(52:19):
your time that always doesn't happen because if they're all
on the same page, pulling the rope on the same way,
blah blah blah, that kind of relieves a lot of
the issues that could happen with a fifteen man roster.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Oh, there's no there's no doubt about that. It's use it.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
My oldest son, My oldest son is a is a
basketball strain coach of Robert Morris University.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
So they go to the institute a tournament.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
We got let's go hold that thought well, because I'm
looking down at the clock that we're already over.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Let's go