Thursday, June 5, Hour 1

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey, good afternoon, everybody.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Welcome to you Eye on the Ball here on Fox
Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera in with me the days.
Look who we have here? Andy Brown? Downtown?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
What's up? Steve? Got me man? Got away from whatever
you were doing? Uh sweating because everybody else is right now? Yes,
well I hadn't even gotten to be hot yet. And
this is covered parking out here, that's not reserved out here.
That's right. I'm wanna get back on the farm. I
can check that. I can check that because you don't
have the reserve spot. But I didn't see it, don't.
They don't even know who I am?

Speaker 4 (00:47):
Really?

Speaker 2 (00:47):
You know?

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yeah, we know you take that parking states right there.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I saw you like to punch in your coat like
three times in there and they change Did they change
it on me? You might have got ray here to celebrate.
Not much. You would need baby for the summer, because
everybody else is gone here we are you would need
because I'll be doing the board, which you're not doing.
The board. Yep, rare university guy. You're on loan from

(01:11):
the university. Like all his guys, he gets yeah, nice, Yeah,
you're nice. He's a kid, do that though. He's been
through the war. You know, you know all the buttons. Yeah,
I do know the buttons. Nice. He's not like a
he's not like a fresh face. Don't stay near that.
Stay away from that ejection button right there, raise my

(01:31):
guy a cough button ready to go though, Yeah, gotcha, No,
we got right here. We've been knowing to drop some bombs,
Yes we have. It's been before andy. What's the word? Man?
Are you? Are you busy?

Speaker 5 (01:41):
The summer?

Speaker 2 (01:42):
We just finished season eighteen. Security just finished uh twenty
seven graduations at the Universe. Oh oh, because all over
you to do that? Yeah, so that's we're done. I
mean QSD was our last big weekend of graduations and
now we regrew group, re hire, retrain, and get ready

(02:03):
for the fall season. No concerts coming up, there's a
few out there. The big one that got postponed was
Kevin hard Right, so a couple of weeks ago. That's
all right, should come back. But yes, I think he's
scheduled for October something it's like it's going to be hot.
I ain't going I'm gonna I'm gonna come back in October. Yeah,
it's hot out there, it does.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Last year was probably the hottest I's ever been here.
If I can remember usually that I'm getting too old
for this stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
That might be right. I'm starting to get warm anyway,
wrinkling up and yeah, you know, no, there's not a
whole lot of big stuff going on right now. It's
a slow season for Tucson. You know how it goes.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, even with you a, it's gonna be a struggle
for me getting guys who got you luckily this morning? Yeah,
try to get some guests. But we have a pretty
good one here in the first hour. Jenny Dalton Dalton Hill,
she's in the ESPN Softball person. She's not doing the
games now, but she's gonna be. She's a coach now
in in the New Women and So Softball. Yeah, she's

(03:02):
in Chicago, gonna be a coach out there. We'll talk
to her about that. Talked to her about have you
been watching softball? I have, okay, so I and I
love the game. It's last night. Yeah, did you watch well,
did you watch the previous weekend when she didn't touch
the plate. And then they said, we know she didn't
touch the plate, but she's safe. Oh my goodness, I
don't even know the rule on that one. I was

(03:24):
I was in communication with said, is this the jit
that tag out?

Speaker 2 (03:28):
She was gone for by a mile, right, but she's safe.
I'm thinking, when did this happen? The obstruction by the umpire,
But then there was an obstruction by the batter, and
it doesn't doesn't matter. I think the girl went back
to first anyways, Yeah, they call her out. They could
they could have called the batter was already out. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
It was just crazy crazy And then and the steal
or the attemptancy. It was she was in the way.
How was she in the way? Her foot was in
the way. That what I said, foot was in the
Did you play baseball? Did you play ball?

Speaker 2 (04:01):
No? And you you could? You could do whatever you
get song as they don't reach the base, you're done,
get it away.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Remember when they used to have fights, when the case
came in hard and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yes, I loved watching the Pete Rose that those are
the days that you could just run people over, spike
people slide in the second, legs up. You're not bleeding, bro,
You didn't slide hard, that's right.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, not that that happened last night, but it was
it was like it wasn't excited they got him out,
No they didn't. I'm thinking, what are they arguing? She
was out pat.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
And then they scored the run and you're thinking that's
going to create a problem. But then they came back
and then they came back to.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Another What the hell is she doing? What the hell
is she doing throwing strikes for a pontential? You see
like she just swinging. She just hit that ball. No,
but did you see the other pictures? The other pictures
could have been. I think finally she just kind of
looked that I wanted to swing.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, hell with this? What I saw it on today?
This that hasn't happened in a game, and they replayed
it like I don't know, thirty years ago. Oh it
happens in baseball, Oh where somebody actually reached out and
hit the ball. I think it was the White White
Sox game. I think, Oh, I just saw this morning
getting ready they were doing it.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Now.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Okay, to me, it's been it's been great, great stuff
watching it baseball too.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Baseball starts tomorrow. You the Batcats, those were those dudes
just started hitting dingers left and right. Yeah, and they're pitching. Yeah,
it's coming through. They're they're confident. They get up there
and you can tell that cow Poly team did not
want to be there. No, they had already gotten to that.
First picture was just like, can I sit down now?

(05:40):
The guy don't want to be here. You can see
in his face. I don't want to be here. Yeah.
Do you remember?

Speaker 3 (05:47):
And yesterday we had Lopez on coach Lopez and we
had uh Wes clements before. Steve Strong the day before
talked about the Andy didn't talk about this, but the
other guys how they kind.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Of got through the catching a break. You know, everyone
catches a break. Yes, when you were there two years
at you yes, ninety three, four five, I graduated ninety five. Okay,
so you were on the team, right, No, I took stats.
Oh they moved you, yeah that one day your GPA. No,

(06:20):
they did. They brought in a guy named Ben Davis.
Oh yeah, yeah he was gladly gave him my spot. Yeah,
loot loot love Ben. That's a good, great, great guy man. Yeah,
I talked chat we chat on Facebook. So yeah, he
he still thinks he's the best reboundary. Oh yes, and
he still looks like he can play though.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, I say, hey, let's get Pete over here real quick.
Oh yeah, he still looks like he could play. Oh Pete, Yeah, yeah,
I think he just had he did, remember two years ago? Yeah,
he still he's a grandpa. He's a two time guys.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
He's having great time being a grandpa.

Speaker 6 (06:54):
Man.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, sold my business called him just to get him
on the phone. Jesse Barky was out there. He's the
grandpa again. He's your guys. He's my business partner. He's
doing great, enjoying taking his granddaughter to him from preschool.
Shout out to you, Jesse, doing a great job. Did
you hear me questions for us? You have any questions?
He asked him this? Why the hell are they doing this?

(07:16):
He usually gives me a whole list of stuff to ask.
You tell him to tell the truth too. Well, we did. Uh,
we did go about a month and a half before
we pulled the trigger on renewing our football tickets. Oh,
who's the we? Me and Jesse? Oh okay, so you
have a team, does okay? So we buy basketball and

(07:37):
football tickets. After last Jesse was like, I'm done, Come on, man,
give him one more year, bro, one more year? Who
we did? On more year? We re upped. Well.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
You know the funny funny thing about that is I
think a lot of people feel the same way.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah. I mean they got to sell tickets, you guys.
They have to have believers like you guys, because if
they don't, I don't know what's gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Because they need money. They need yeah, and they needed
it's a it's a catch twenty two. They need to
give you a good team, yes, and you need to
spend money to see the good team.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Right. So how many years can you go without product? Right? Yeah?
So you got to have a good product, consistent I
wouldn't even say you just got to be consistent, right,
consistently good. You can't not be consistently good. I mean right,
people want to see uh, I mean people want to
know you have a chance, right right, See, your team

(08:29):
has a chance going into any game. That's all you need. Right.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Well, here was the problem last year, and you may
you and I may have talked about this before the
season started. What do you think you have you have
a chance. Yeah, you have a fighting chance.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Because of the people that came back, right right, And
then you think, I mean the second game, I went
as a spectator, not as a as a sports writer,
and I was leaving the New Mexico game and people
were saying, we're screwed, and they weren't saying screwed, they
were saying something else, and I'm thinking you got to
kind of give them a chance.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
But there were not just one people one person. Well,
it was a bunch of people say oh, we're screwed you.
Oh yeah, they struggled. Yeah, and you're thinking, how they struggling.
You got to put up numbers against that team. That's
your stat game right there, right, you look at no.

Speaker 7 (09:13):
And there was a season two where it was like,
you know, Texas leaving, Oklahoma left like well.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
And we were sitting up there with the guys that
got back and the preseason hoop lot. So, by the way,
how many tickets you have just in case I need
to when start? We got to Oh that's all you
got two football tickets?

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yeah, okay, I thought you got maybe for the people, Well,
you've got people working.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Everybody's working. If you're not working, you're sick. You called out,
So we got everybody working those games. That makes sense. Yeah,
you can get you about fifty people. People more than that.
Oh at football game. You need to tell me, probably confidential.
It's north of the way. North of that. Yeah, we
got a lot. But that's you know, there's more stuff
going on on football days now. I mean this town

(09:58):
used to shut down football games on Saturdays. Now there's
all kinds of stuff going on, right, different venues, different events. Yeah. Spreading, uh,
you're spreading the dollar pretty thin here into something. That's
that's the other issue.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
I mean, you have a certain amount of dollars in
your pocket, you having a lot of people asking you
to do and go and see blah blah blah. Oh,
by the way, we have nil nil obligations. Sorry, here's
a dollar from the pizza. Pizza, I mean there's not
enough pizza to go around, no, or dollars.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
For the pizza. No, not a big piece of pie, right,
the pie is not thinking in fact, did you mean
one you met one or other? Intern? Yeah? I remember, Okay,
so so and rate I don't think is going through this.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
He's grady. The recent grads. Oh, everybody getting calls Hey congratulations,
Oh yeah, can you you know, can you help the
funny story story. I know the phone number that comes
up by sixty two six number, right, just put in
your phone. Sixty two six number comes on my phone
and go And it's usually about eight o'clock at night.
Oh really, I'm like, oh, this is where I go.

(10:59):
So the first few years, I'm like, oh, somebody from
your base call me because we worked there. And now
I go, oh, that's a call for money. Oh and
I just go delete. So the other night I was
sitting there watching TV and my phone rings and I'm like, oh,
I swipe it, and my wife goes, what's that?

Speaker 2 (11:13):
I go, ah, this is U a call for money.
Two seconds later, her phone calls because she's like the
second number and she's like, oh is that sixty Then
I go yeah. She was like, yeah, they call me.
Now there you go, don't you answer? Yeah, it's usually
seven thirty eight o'clock at night. Feature like a booty
call me. That's uh, that's that is usually from the

(11:35):
department that you graduate from. Okay, yeah, that comes from Eler. Yeah.
Every it's about every other month, yeah, persistence. Yeah, one
day you can get tired. Just answer the ptentional phones.
Give them ten dollars, give them undred bucks. Yeah, give
him on a gibribera right, Yeah, that's a lot of money.

(11:56):
I appreciate every pen of the night that you know.
That keeps my life. Baby nice. Yes, So it's through
starting to slow down. Sports fly stuff, man. As soon
as that's what we're talking about this, I know, as
soon as NBA is over. Yeah, I mean you're a
baseball guy though, No, no basketball, but I'm not any
of it anymore.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
I mean, come on, are you gonna watch I think
you're gonna watch tonight's game probably, yeah, absolutely, I'm gonna
watch the softball game, the softball Trump's NBA.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well, I have this fancy TV. Now you can watch
both of the picture picture. I was always wondering about
that because I had Picture of picture twenty years ago.
Oh now it's not now, it's right now that the
YouTube TV does it for you. Oh, you can select
I want to watch those four Okay, really look into that. Me.
I just gotta run new TV that doesn't do that. No,
you gotta get the YouTube TV subscription. Okay. No, So

(12:43):
I'll be flipping back and forth. But that's as soon
as you get that my another hockey guy. So it
was no not I heard, good. Who was overtime right, Edmonton? Yeah,
I went to overtime.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Someone asked me because I was coming to real quick
about the softball game. So you're not watching the soccer,
I said me.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
And soccer? Yeah yeah, but I heard, oh it's overtime.
I watched the friendly the other night the US women
and Jamaica watch or something like that. Oh my goodness, yeah,
U S women crushed. They were crushing it. So I watched.
I like to watch those. So I watched the watch
a couple of soccer matches.

Speaker 7 (13:20):
Last week Champions League, yeah, Saturday. Yeah, yeah, it was well,
it wasn't like on score, it wasn't a good one,
but it was a good storyline.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Do you see I was watching the I was watching
the French Open, right, the tennis thing whatever it is,
and uh and they had to shush the crowd because
the French team had scored, right, and so everybody in
there was watching on their phones inside the tennis match,
and so the umpire in the chair had to go,
PARTI quiet, please, quiet please. Everybody's like watching the game

(13:53):
on their phones. At the tennis match. I can't imagine
what Paris was like that night. That's funny. Yeah, I
was like that that they were speaking Spanish. Poor for
war shut those down. Yeah, I couldn't think of the
French for poll. I don't know how to say one
of those. Let's take a break, get ahold of Jenny
on the other side.

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This is I on the Ball on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.
Want to take part in the show Call up Steve
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Speaker 3 (19:13):
Hey, welcome back to the ball Here on Fox Sports
Fortune fifty, I'm Steve Event and with me today is
Andy Brown. Now on the phone, we have Jenny Dalton Hill,
former U of A All Americans Softball players.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Are you doing Jenny?

Speaker 5 (19:26):
I'm good. How are you guys?

Speaker 2 (19:28):
We're doing well. You all are very popular.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
You did a great job on your ESPN outing when
you did your stuff a week or so.

Speaker 5 (19:35):
A goal, right, Well, espan is something I do all
season long.

Speaker 14 (19:40):
It starts with that Clearwater tournament back in February where
they get all the postseason teams. It feels like that
start off the season in the second weekend playing against
each other, and then I go all the way up
until Super Regionals and uh yeah, I finished off with
Texas and Clemson for Super Regionals and lo and behold,
Texas is in the Chance Series this week.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yes, and they look fantastically good. Last night I thought, well,
they were on the ropes until they weren't. Right did
you did you have a chance to watch it at all?

Speaker 5 (20:09):
I mean, come on, do you even have to ask
that question?

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Of course, to verify the facts.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
So here we are so nobody who isn't And in fact,
before you came in, I was telling Andy tonight's NBA
and softball at the same time.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
I'm watching softball. I've been watching softball for the last
two weeks.

Speaker 14 (20:25):
Yes, yes, because tonight is can be the deciding factor
in it, right with Texas winning Game one. If they
win tonight, it's all over. So Texas tech up against
the Ropes, has to win tonight to be able to extend.
But yeah, the thunder obviously putting a little kick in
the works playing too.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, yeah, the game last night. Well, I was texting
can Dre throughout the game last night. I think I
can't remember seeing so many crazy stuff going on in
the last two three weeks. I mean, you've seen it
because you've seen a number of games, but maybe not
to this extent last week. Usually doesn't step on a plate.
It still doesn't matter. They score the run, all the

(21:03):
home runs, all the craziness, you lived it, You lived it.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
But have you seen all these crazy things?

Speaker 5 (21:10):
Well, and I think that's the key word. I think
that stuff always happens.

Speaker 14 (21:14):
It's just now with the visibility of TV, now everybody
sees it, where before it maybe just kind of fell
through the cracks and nobody was paying attention. Now you
can't hide that step.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
You're exposed because everybody's watching.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, and the obstruction one was bonkers to me.

Speaker 14 (21:30):
Oh yeah, that can take a long discussion, but let
me make it short and sweet.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
It was not obstruction.

Speaker 14 (21:37):
I think they missed that call and it absolutely changed
the trajectory of what could have.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Been the end of that game, no question, no question.
I'm thinking, since when did that become a rule?

Speaker 3 (21:47):
And yeah, he texted me, Kendre had said to me, Yeah,
they need to look at look at the up again.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
That needs to change.

Speaker 14 (21:53):
Yeah, that rule has has gone through a couple iterations.
It's it's tried to find kind of place to protect
the players, right like we've all we've all seen those
huge collisions in baseball and they look like they're playing football,
not baseball.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
So I think the I think the intent.

Speaker 14 (22:10):
Of the rule is in the right spot, but right now,
the way that it's being interpreted is taking.

Speaker 5 (22:15):
Away from the just the the soul of our game.
I mean, she played it perfectly.

Speaker 14 (22:22):
The girl was host she was hung out to dry,
and unfortunately they they ruled in favor of the wording
of the rule rather the intent of the of the play.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah, I'm offering wondering you, uh, ninety five, do you
think I know this, This is dumb question, So apologize
for dumb questions because I've dumb question. I was there
for a couple of the championships for you Bay back
in the early nineties, and I'm sure the game today,
you guys still would have crushed it.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
You guys would have won a number of titles.

Speaker 14 (22:55):
Well, the crazy thing is everybody like applauds Oklahoma for
being the first team to win four in a row,
but if you actually look back in the record books,
there is an asterisk next to nineteen ninety five because
that title has been vacated by UCLA. And who played
UCLA in the finals that year, a little school in Tucson,

(23:18):
and that would have made actually my career four national championships.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
But that title has been vacated and they have not
reassigned it.

Speaker 14 (23:26):
So I mean, like if you look at the Olympics,
if they take a gold medal away from an athlete,
they give the gold medal to the other team or
the other person. But so far I have not received
that national championship trophy. So but I would say that
that the UFA teams from ninety three to ninety seven,
because actually they won in ninety seven as well, which
would have made it five in a row. I think

(23:48):
those teams were stellar and could have put up a
pretty good fight.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Has a game changed since then?

Speaker 5 (23:55):
In your opinion, it definitely has. It definitely has.

Speaker 14 (23:58):
And when you think about how it's changed, it's changed
in the sense that there's so many more analytics that
are able to be tracked and watched and viewed and studied.
And so I mean back in the day, we literally
had a shirt that coach made that said chuck.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
And duck, meaning like, throw the ball, we're going to
hit it. And that was the extent of the analytics.

Speaker 14 (24:18):
I don't know that coach Candrea ever talked to us
about this is a rise ball picture we're facing today,
or this is a dominant curve ball pitcher that we're
facing today.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
We never talked about it.

Speaker 14 (24:28):
We literally stood in the box and said throw whatever
you got because we're going to hit it, basically right
back down your throat. So now you have these scouting
reports and the spray charts and the heat maps, and
teams are studying those and we've seen the evolution of
a hitter just grow because of the information.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
I will say that the rules need to catch up.

Speaker 14 (24:49):
I think we're calling too small of a strike zone,
which is giving the hitters the advantage.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
So while the hitters are still strong and powerful, they
have more information stepping in to the box.

Speaker 14 (25:00):
And then we're really limiting our pitching staff by shrinking
the zone to a point that we're making them throw
the ball in very hitable zones rather than expanding the
zone and making the hitter improve.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
I was just gonna say, oh, oh, I'm sure she'd
been watching you. Pay attention, you've been doing all this thing. Hey,
Today there's a story in the Athletic The Texas Tech
picture is the face, they said, the face of the
of the softball world today.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Would you agree? And I really think she's fantastic.

Speaker 14 (25:28):
Nigerie Kennedy at Texas Tech is who you're speaking of.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (25:31):
So, I had the pleasure of being around Nie when
she was fourteen years old, and she was a strong
specimen of an athlete back then, but.

Speaker 5 (25:44):
She was also like a newborn giraffe.

Speaker 14 (25:46):
She had legs and arms going everywhere, and the ball
would hit the middle of the backstop when she'd let
it go. She has done such a good job of
allowing herself to be coachable and teachable, and she's our
first million dollar athlete.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
In the sport. Right She transferred to Texas Tech for
a million dollars, and.

Speaker 14 (26:07):
We can talk about how an Il is affecting collegiate
athletics perhaps for another decade, but with the way that
she is playing right now, she truly is one of
the most dominant players in our game. And one of
the reasons she went to Texas Tech was so that
she could hit two because she's good on both sides
of the ball, and when she was at Stanford she

(26:29):
didn't really hit.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
So is she the face of our game?

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (26:34):
Right now, she definitely is.

Speaker 14 (26:36):
But she made a huge mistake last night by not
knowing how to throw a pitch out to be able
to intentionally walk a batter and reseat would take advantage.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, that was very bizarre.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Even when the other pitches, the first two that were close,
I'm thinking, what's she doing because the catcher didn't really
go for her outside and think, what is she doing
that's hittable? And then lo and behold that third pitch
was like, holy crap.

Speaker 14 (26:58):
Well, when you think about it, that's not something she's
had to work on. She has intentionally walked three people
in three years. So it's not a skill that she
unfortunately has been using regularly. Because she's so dominant in
the circle, she usually attacks everyone. So when that call
was made last night, not only was she unprepared, but
so was her catcher. Her catcher didn't didn't give her

(27:20):
the correct location either to be able to throw that ball.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
In the right spot.

Speaker 14 (27:25):
And reefe Atwood is one of the best catchers in
the country and just a junior has another year to
go at Texas. But when you watched the way that
she was watching how Nijerie Kennedy was throwing her, she
swung at a three and zero pitch like that was
supposed to.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
Be ball four, put her on and because of that,
the defenses on their heels. This is what allowed that
ball to get through.

Speaker 14 (27:47):
If they were playing that regular Nigerie cannedy defense behind her,
they would have gotten that ground ball and gotten out
of the inning.

Speaker 5 (27:54):
But they were all waiting on their heels for her
to just take the walk.

Speaker 14 (27:57):
And so I appreciate how aggressive refat was was and
her ability to stay on top of her rise ball,
but she wasn't throwing with the same velocity either right, Like,
if she throws that pitch at seventy three seventy four
miles an hour like she had been humming them in there,
that's a much different at that. But when she's just
when she's let off and is just throwing maybe sixty

(28:17):
four or sixty five. I actually wasn't looking at the
velocities on those, but she took off, she took her
foot off the pedal, took some velocity off of it,
made it a hitable velocity and in a hittable zone.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
All of a sudden, she opened herself up to a
big loss.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Right, So if you're I'm playing like armchair quarterback here, yeah,
I love that, and you're going eight? Was that a
coaching error? I mean, if I have a number one pitcher,
why don't I let her go? Like, let her go,
let her throw.

Speaker 14 (28:47):
Yeah, I appreciate wanting to throw, like, let her just
like take the reins and go. That was one of
those players that's a little bit scary. And you had
first base open because they stole like after the first pitch.
It was the first and third situation, and they stole
the runner at first the second, so first base was open.
They were intentionally walking her anyway, and the hitter behind her,

(29:09):
Julie Mitchell, only had three home runs on the year.
I would much rather throw to Julie Mitchell than I
would to Reef that would so I appreciate that coaching
decision to put her on. However, if you have not
practiced that skill, you're in big trouble.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, and we saw that last night.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
And not to disregard the Texas pitcher because she was
fantastic as well, and obviously two of the best teams
out there, you know, and in my mind the Tennessee
pitcher may be the better.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Of all of them.

Speaker 14 (29:38):
Well, and it's hard to say, right because Carlin Pickens
at Tennessee has now the fastest recorded pitch in the
history of our sport. It's being said that the equivalent
of her seventy nine mile an hour pitch is equivalent
to one hundred and eleven mile an hour Major League fasketball.
So we've not seen that in baseball. So you can't

(29:58):
say softball is an easy sport. I challenge anybody to
face Carlin Pickens to tell me that softball is an
easy sport. But when you look at the way teague
in Cavan, the picture for Texas has been throwing at
the end of her season, She's done such a good
job of trusting her defense, probably the last through the
postseason and maybe the last couple games of like during

(30:21):
the SEC tournament. Her ERA during that span was over seven.
Like it was like seven point three to three or
something like that. And so after super Regionals or after
Regionals heading into super Regionals, she took a step back
and I think realized she needed to trust her defense

(30:41):
more and stop putting all the pressure on herself to
be a strikeout pitcher, and in doing so has relaxed
in the circle, is throwing more efficiently, hitting her spots,
trusting her defense, and all of a sudden, you're seeing
a very dominant Texas team now able to score runs
and play better. They're starting shortstop in the fall to

(31:02):
an ACL injury, and with that it created some waves
defensively for them. They've made more errors than they have
in the past, and with those errors it gives you
moments of pause, right Like as a pitcher, you have
to hold your breath at times if you know you're
going to throw a hitable pitch that's going to yield
the ground ball to the left side.

Speaker 5 (31:23):
You think, is it going to be an out or
is it going to be an error? And they moved that.

Speaker 14 (31:29):
Stuart, who is now playing and left was playing shortstop,
and she made some critical errors in their Super Regional
that made them actually lose a game to Clemson and
pushed it to the if necessary third game. They made
the change to move Leanne Good into the shortstop slot
and move the shortstop Stewart into left field, and that's

(31:51):
made all the difference.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, be remiss to not to ask you about the juve.
I thought Clinton had a fantastic year. When you go
forty eight and thirteen, it's a very very good year.
And now we have all these transfers. It's happening in
other places. But what are your thoughts on what's going
on here?

Speaker 14 (32:07):
Yeah, you know, if you want to play for a
quality coach at a quality school and have a great
fan base, Tucson is the place to be. Love Arizona
obviously I chose it myself, But if you're a home
run hitter, it's where you want to go because the
ball flies and you get to track a whole lot
more left turns in your career by hitting at Arizona But.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
More than that, you've got you've got graduation, which.

Speaker 14 (32:33):
Really hit Arizona hard. It really hit the pitching staff
hard with graduation. Losing Branda Soddard and Devin Nets difficult, right,
But then you've got the transfers that hit on top
of it, and obviously everywhere you have to re recruit
your staff every single year because the transfer portal has
become just a hotbed and everybody's looking for where they

(32:56):
can go and put their hand out and ask for money.
I'm not sure that this is the land. I mean,
this may be the last year that you can do
that because of the the rulings of the house that
are going to be coming out and changing the way
that nil is done and profit and revenue sharing is
going to change the way that the money looks in
the athlete's hands. But I don't know that the transfers

(33:19):
that you're seeing out of Arizona are a bad thing.
Sometimes you do need to shake things up, and not
to say that any of them are bad seeds, but
sometimes a culture is created that you need to shake
it up a little bit. And Caitlin Lowe is such
a good coach. She has established such a great coaching staff.
It hurts my heart when I see the when I

(33:40):
see the I'm gonna just call them twitter trolls.

Speaker 5 (33:43):
I'm old, but that come on and bad.

Speaker 14 (33:46):
Mouth the coaching staff because, like to your point, it's
hard to be an armchair quarter or a just a
what's it called an armchair quarterback?

Speaker 5 (33:56):
Cude, thank you, I'm like, it doesn't sound right, and
share quarterback when you can look back on, oh, you
should have done this.

Speaker 14 (34:04):
Yeah, it's easy to see everything in the rear view
mirror a little bit differently. But moving through a season
like this, they had a fantastic year. They just ran
into an old miss team that caught fire there at
the end.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah, no question. And then now, what are you up to?
I know you're in Chicago.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
I am. I'm in Chicago.

Speaker 14 (34:24):
I am at the inaugural AUSL, which is the Athletes
Unlimited Softball League, which has been endorsed by MLB. They've
invested into this professional softball league. I'm the general manager
for the Bandits. My head coach is Stacynuveman. Denise who
was the all time home run queen for over a decade. Now,

(34:47):
granted she was a Bruin and I'm a wildcat, and
usually those two things don't mix, but we have chosen
to put our past behind us and join forces for good.
But I mean, Stacey's such a good coach. Four teams
in the league. We've got the games starting this weekend.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
I heard that Joe Torre isn't going to be in
the house at our.

Speaker 14 (35:07):
Games this weekend here in Chicago. We've also got two
teams that are starting their season in Wichita. So it's
a barn storming tour this year of four teams all
around the country, and then next year we'll be expanding
to six teams settling in markets all across the country.
And just really excited to see the way that these
athletes are being treated like finally treated like professionals, with

(35:31):
teams of support staff all around them. And every time
I turn around, I think, well, maybe this is my.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
Job as a GM. I realized, Nope, there's somebody already
in that position. I don't even have to worry about it.

Speaker 14 (35:42):
So I'm just so encouraged by the way that it's
being supported and the endorsement of MLB and actually the
financial backing they became. Like I think, if I read
the article right, twenty five percent partners in the league.
So with that kind of support and backing, it's just
bodes well for the future of our sport that has

(36:02):
seemed to just taken the country by storm. Everybody seems
to love the game, and not just those that played
it are. My boss at ESPN created a shirt for
us that says, there's those that love softball and those
who just don't know it yet, and so I think
that's that's kind of.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
Where the country is at it.

Speaker 14 (36:22):
You're going to probably see higher viewership of the champ
Series in Oklahoma City over that the NBA game tonight.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, no question, I'll be one of those.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
In fact, I saw a shot of the stadium, the
overall shot of the stadium, and I'm thinking that wasn't
the stadium I went to a ninety one when you
guys are winning the first row.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
No, definitely not. It has added on layers.

Speaker 14 (36:44):
There's no more green berms. Now on the side, You've
got stadiums all around. Yeah, that place is amazing and
I'm so grateful. I was a little bit worried with
Oklahoma or Oklahoma State not in the finals, would they
really fill the stadium?

Speaker 5 (36:58):
And you know, what they're showing up.

Speaker 12 (36:59):
They did.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
It's the best softball in the country.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Right, Jenny, appreciate your time. Thank you, good luck than
you you too, thank you, great stuff, great stuff GM GM.

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Speaker 2 (40:54):
Sports een fifty, Welcome back to.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
One of about here Fox Sports fourteenth of the I'm
Steve Rivera. You or Andy Brown got ray with us,
been helping us finish off the show here they thanks
to Jenny Dalton.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Jenny's a very impressive lady. Yeah, yeah, that's I was
reading up. She's still she still holds some records and
Packed twelve Kids Packed twelve and n C double A
and for R rby eyes.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yeah, and that was during the tough time when the
balls weren't flying that there now oh yeah, yeah, it
is some great some great former players here. Yes, and
now there's a few of them, you know, doing TV
our her a couple more probably.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Well, when you played at the best program for in
the nineties, you have some credibility. And I still believe.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
I still believe this, and I know that people at
you maybe if they listen to me, that because they
were allowed to speak to the media openly and freely
and communicate like you know, Richard and Steve and all
these guys you know JT they were, and Richard Jefferson
that they were. They learned, they learned how to be
in front of the media, talk like the media. Now
they become us, you know. Now it's like you go

(42:05):
behind a podium and send the podium five minutes and
then you're done.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah. I know I talk about that party too much,
but to me it means something. They're more accessible than
than the Oh, without question, yeah, you feel we went
to I won't use that for to go into the
locker room with you guys, right we yea, you know
afterwards everybody come in Now, you guys select to they
go down the hallway. Well, you're walking with them, don't you, Yeah,

(42:28):
you're protecting them from the coach.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
The coach goes that, who's he walk He's bogging Sean Miller. No,
I don't do that. I have a guy does that, Jerry.
Jerry escorts coach around. It's kind of superstitious.

Speaker 6 (42:42):
You know.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Those coaches they get to their their methods, their methods,
and they're like, no, what are you doing. You're changing
my guy. I'm like, he's sick. I'm not changing. He's
just he needs a break. I mean, yeah, Jerry. I'm like, well,
Jerry's sick. Oh no, it's like I deflated the ball
or something like that. You're still playing on the basketball.

(43:06):
You can't do that. It's like looting his superstitions with
the popcorn. Oh yeah, popcorn. We did I told you,
I did a. I did a. I did a paper
on that in one of my psychology classes about superstition
and how it's not really superstition, it's you getting in
the right frame of mind to play your best ball.
So you go through your process, and if you're not

(43:26):
doing your process, you don't feel like you've prepared right,
and you just feel off. So what do you feel
about superstitious fans? Superstitious fans with him? With him? That's
another paper. I have to sit in that chair, I
have to watch it from that that angle. I have
to have this that and that was your extra credit paper. Yeah. Yeah,
well the popcorn, right, and then you have some gum.

(43:48):
Didn't you miss up gum? No? I didn't mess up gumb.
Nobody he always had. You had red gum or blue gum.
And he basically you would yell down down the bench
to me what color I want? Like, hey, Brown, I'm
like yes, coach Blue. I'm like, okay, Blue, I bring
a blue stick and go right. Yeah coach, No, you're
not going in give me the blue gud. No, that's

(44:09):
the first game, he said Brown, And I jumped up
like I was going in because we're up like thirty
two minutes left in the game. I was like, it's
got to be my turn. I jump up and he's
like red and I'm like, god, dang it. I turn
around and coaches like, no, no, no, I'm just messling
you go in. Did you do that?

Speaker 11 (44:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Well, he doesn't have that sense of humor because he
was dry. He was right, and I didn't see it,
and the guys told me it was gonna happen, but
I was like, I don't see it. Actually had your
your right uniform. Oh, I had everything ready to go.
I just didn't get taped. I usually didn't get tape
for games you were was getting in, especially the Michigan
game when we got in. Yeah, I wasn't tape. I

(44:50):
barely have my shorts on. I'm like, should I put
shorts on underneath these warm ups? Yeah? Better kiss in case.
I think there was a time or two when someone didn't. Oh, yeah,
that was before me. They warned me, right, you should
always have your shorts on in case. Yeah, but that's yeah.
I haven't even got told that. You're probably not gonna play,

(45:10):
So we're not gonna put tape on you because we
got a budget. Do you want to I'm a practice.
Can you wear braces instead of getting tap? Its like,
no tape cuts this money for you to get at
the game. It's like, I'm still practicing.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yeah, So we're gonna have just the last minute to
add to the show. I didn't have him on the
social Pete Williams come on at four seventeen, a good
friend of ours. Uh, one of the more one of
the greatest guys ever. Got your lot for the ludols
in camp. But just eccentric because we all hell too.

(45:46):
In the last Spy.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah, but he he commands the room when he walks in,
he just has that presence about him and it's yeah,
you want to be and you want to listen to
what he says. And I liked watching the this last
two years. When he sits down in front of him
and starts talking about, you know what we did, how
we laid this out for.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
We explained that because Tommy has brought some of you guys,
the guys in to talk about the history of the game.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Yeah, there were what nine or ten of us stand
sitting in front of the whole group. And and Pete's
the guy that led to charge, right, He's the guy
that came out and said, listen, the reason why you're
sitting in these nice chairs, and the reason why you
have this nice locker room, the reason why you have
those nice shoes is because of us up here, the
ones that brought it first. So you're not we don't

(46:34):
expect you to play for us. We want you to
play for the guys ten years from now, the guys
that come in after you, you're playing for them like
we played for you. And I just like I almost cry.
I was like, damn, Like what was I doing then?
Was heading out gum? So yeah, guy, it better be

(46:57):
a good gum passer out our guy that water. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
No, I've known that story, but I didn't know to
that extent. We'll ask Pete to talk about that. But
I knew that Tommy had gotten you know, some of
the guys that were here for Lukeke.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Yeah, and that's big kudos to tell me about that,
bringing guys back right to teach and to keep that
culture going of it's it's it's Arizona basketball right right right.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Well, Sean didn't erase the past. No, no, for whatever reason,
you know, he just didn't. And because we had you
guys in with him too, and he he didn't do that.
But Tommy, you know, Tommy goes to the event every
now and again, yeah, and mingles with the guys and
you know he knows you guys are important, No, he is.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
And then and that's I think that was what was
missing between Lute and Tommy. That was kind of that
was missing a lot. Yeah, because obviously Lute loved you
guys and he loved seeing you guys come back. Yeah.
The biggest I think the biggest kudos are the most
impressed me the most when Tommy came was the zoom
that he had with just the players ex players, Right,

(47:58):
he invited players and managers and guys that and we
did a zoom. He goes, this is players only. You
guys can ask me whatever you want. He goes, I'm
just asking you give me a chance. Because there had
been some concerns, Yeah, that he was not the guy
because some other guys thinking, who all, Yeah, he's an outsider. Yeah,

(48:19):
and Pete was a big part of that as well.
I'm giving his candid response endorsement. But he also asked
the tough questions, right, So that was that was ideal
for a coach coming in to say, Hey, what do
you guys need to see from me? As alumni and
as guys that built this program, Right, what do you

(48:39):
need to see from me? Because all I'm asking is
you give me a chance. Right, And he's done a
pretty good job. And he also said, if you come
into town and to come visit and you don't knock
on my door. I'll be pissed because I want you
back here, and I asked you to do one thing.
Is that bring me a story. Bring me a story
from when you played. Something I can pass on you

(49:00):
the kids coming in, like why Arizona is such a
great place. I want to be able to tell these
kids coming in why Arizona is a problem. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
And he's got good, good people, you know, Gamon, Josh
and these guys who can tell those stories. Ohne, Steve
Kurrz obviously.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yeah, well, yeah, you get those guys together though, Pete
and his boys, Joe, Joe Turner and those guys got
great story. Yeah, well, Joe Turner the story before there
was social media. Oh my god. Those guys are like,
if we had social media, we be in jail, probably
still writing stories about it. Is something over there. And

(49:40):
it was public already.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Sewan and Sean and Joe were Shawn and a C
were driving the car right your car and flipped the
car and got.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
It after and he looks at me.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
You knew what that? Yeah, of course you knew about it.
But it became public. He was in the papers and stuff.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
I didn't know that, yeh. Yeah, but yeah, those guys
could write books. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, what do you
think I'm still trying? Oh yeah, you know some of
those inside stories you got the tip of the Iceberg books.
There's stuff that we'll all take to our great It's
funny with some people. I've had two complaints at least
one for sure. They said, Rivera, I have one complaint
about your book is up? How come you didn't write
more more? I can't even fit so much twenty five guys.

(50:20):
You can get twenty five more players talking about crazy stuff,
you know. Yeah, the problem is we don't. We don't
go too crazy with the stories though. We kind of
keep those in the house. But those are the fun times.
You get to back together and it doesn't matter what
decades you played or what year you played under Loot,
you still have similar stories. But it was still a
culture and you have a brotherhood and that's what's cool.

(50:41):
It doesn't matter if you did pass out gum or
you scored fifty, right, you're still belonging that brotherhood. And
that's the fun part. Yeah, meeting guys and talking to
guys nowadays, it's fun. I mean, it's just it's a
golden years you look back on sure, no, no, And
then Pete's exactly right.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
I mean, had it not been for him, the Craig McMillan's,
the Steve Kerrz, the Sean Elliotts, Kenny Loftons, those guys,
this thing would never have happened, Especially Pete.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
You know, Pizza cornerstone. To me, he's a cornerstone first.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
And you know, Craig is the first McDonald's all American,
and all of a sudden in eighty eight, the magic kind.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Of just came about. Craig is no nonsense guy too.
He's yeah, but he's yeah, he is. I mean, just
another level of athletes, right. I hang out with a
guy named John Fiena. You know John, He's got a
different level of competitiveness. Yeah, even on a golf on
a golf of course, You're just like, I can see
why you were in NFL. Yeah, there is, there's a

(51:40):
different gear level. There's a different gear, a different gear
or the mentality right now. Yes, and you're like, that's
that was missing in my game. Dang it, you were
too nice. It was nice.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Yeahs doesn't win, man, it wins, but you know, it
wins to a degree.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
And then you said, you know gets you on the bench.
Though he guess what color My ring was the same
color as everybody else. It's your red and blue. We
gotta go come back and talk about breaking new